Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 641 | Phil Is the New Elvis, Jase Witnesses a Plague & Missy Has to Check Him for Ticks

Episode Date: March 3, 2023

Phil teased listeners recently with a plan to do something at an event he’d never done before. He now reveals exactly what it was! Jase laments his odd link to Elvis and how it scarred him as a kid. The “Duck Family Treasure” crew got more than they bargained for when filming in a jungle, leading to a full-body tick check for Jase! The guys state their stance on the Bible and how it has remained God’s word, despite millennia of human translation and intervention. Plus, how to become spiritually mature.   In this episode: 1 Peter 5, verses 12-14; 1 Peter 2, verse 2; Romans 8, verses 3-4; Hebrews 5, verse 14 "The Blind" hits theaters this fall. Get updates, trailers, behind-the-scenes moments, and special opportunities here: https://theblindmovie.com — Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? So we're back on Unashamed. This last week we have been traveling all across the fruited plains of America. So I thought that's where he begins. Zach's going to be coming at some point. He had a big high-level phone call. He's got a lot of those these days. He's a movie mogul now. He's been working on the blind. And since he's not here to promote it, he sent word ahead for me to promote theblindmovie.com. Wanted me to tell folks to go there to. Seriously? Yeah, that's what he said.

Now he's sending him word ahead for me to promote the movie, dad, to plug it. I'm interested to see it. Is there a target date or a target year? It's this year. Oh, it's coming out this year. Yeah, it's coming out this year. I think September 22nd. So if you go to theblindmovie.com, you can sign up and they'll send you.

I think it's like a newsletter and different updates on the movie. I think there's a trailer now that you can watch. Oh, there is. That's what I understand. It seems like he would have sent that to us so we could watch it. Well, and I could be wrong. Well, I'll ask you. I probably should have got more information.

We'll get clarification when Zach joins us if he does. It'll be interesting to see if that. Well, we all know. So you can't see it. Those of you watch our podcast on. YouTube, but there's a monitor here. So Zach just pops in like magic. And that's how we know he's gracious with his. That's one of those guys that sometimes he'll say, hey, I'll be right over and he never shows up. Well, that's right. He has those tendencies. Exactly. We never quite know. Actually,

so tomorrow, after we do our podcast tomorrow, Lisa and I are going to, we got to do ours a little bit early because we're going to hop on a plane and we're actually flying up to Black Mountain, actually to Asheville. And so we'll get to see the dashers for a couple of days. I'm looking forward to that. So we'll have some high-level meetings, I'm sure. So we all traveled. So I thought we would spend a few minutes telling about our travels, how that went. So I don't know who wants to go first.

Phil, better to go first. So, dad, yeah, you travel the least among everybody at this table. That's correct. So you went to the birthplace of Elvis, Tupelo, Mississippi. Yep. And so now you teased on the last podcast, you said, you almost told us what you were going to do and you didn't. I hope you remember. You said you were going to do something you've never done before.

And you almost told us, but then you didn't because we said, wait and tell us later. So what did you do in Tupelo, Mississippi, that you've never done before? My mind, my mind went back in time. and some of the people at Duck Commanders said, this is your 50th year. I said 50 years. Yep, that's right. We settled back.

Well, it brought me back to the time when we first started branching out. You give them a duck call demonstration on how to call ducks. Yeah. Various species. At that time, we didn't have all the species. We didn't have a gadwall call. We didn't have a teal call. We had you pen tail.

We were mallard hen on. Wood duck. Wood, dadwall. We didn't have that 50 years ago. Old Susie. We're just working on one duck call, mallard duck call. And that's most.

So that morphed into what we now have is numerous species. Yep. So I said, you know what I ought to do? These particular duck cars I've been wearing around my neck when I get to the duck line they were about most of these duck calls were about a decade old the night they were a decade old hanging off my neck i just wanted to show them what i do because it's been i mean too below never been there i don't think speaking so i said i just think i'll just give them a demonstration on all these various ducks because you know and it was just like a stone silence i mean it was not a

person was moving it was about a thousand people people, Ben told me, and it was a sellout. You couldn't get another person in the room. So there was a meet and greet for about an hour. I'm standing there and meeting the good folks that were there. The idea was to garner as much money as you could to help the orphans. Yep. And it was for a pregnancy center.

Yep. So one of the sisters there started that, and she is to be commended. I can't take her name. I'll have it for you later. But anyway, I said, you know what I think I'll do? So I blew all the duck calls. Here's a wood duck. Here's a little heel.

Here's a gadwold. Here's a pin tail. You know, here's. I showed them all the duck calls, a wood duck. And then I just took it off my neck, my duck calls. And I did about a two round or three. And I slung them. And they took off.

There was kind of a scramble where they hit. But I said, okay, now we're getting somewhere. Somebody held her up to my lanyard. I said, that is a gift from me. I've never done that before. That was your idea. The old throw the duck calls into the crowd. That's better than you like being pushed around the crowd, like diving into the crowd.

Body serve. Is that what they call? Body serve. Because that I would pay money for. I just thought after the demonstration. somebody might, and no telling if they're hanging on their wall somewhere, they'll have that and they'll tell a little story about it. That was an Elvis move.

That's something Elvis would have done. You reckon? Yeah. Elvis has done that. I'm far, far from old Elvis, that's for sure. But in the birthplace of Elvis, Dad did an Elvis. Because he was known, you know, one of our sisters, Rhonda, when he came to Monroe, he took off a necklace.

and first he took off a handkerchief and she was a little girl and he he went to give it to her and some woman came up and snatched it out of her hand and he saw it and it made him angry because this grown woman snatched it out of this little girl's hand and ronda started crying she was just a little old girl and so he called her up on stage and he took off one of his expensive necklaces and put it on her neck. I didn't know that. Yeah. That happened.

I don't have any else. You're kind of an Elvis buff, I guess. Well, I just remember the story. I don't have any Elvis. But you did that. You slung those duck calls out into that owner. I just thought I. It'll probably be on eBay.

This is bringing back a... It's probably on eBay by now. If you just slow down to mention it, you know, after 50 years of building duck calls, and it's into the millions now of duck calls we've sold. So it was just a thought I had. I said, I think I'm going on. That's pretty cool.

Some lucky person has, how many calls was, eight or ten? Yep, about eight, seven, right? On your lanyard, blown by Phil Roberts. See, if I would have got them, I would have had to de-germ them. It would have been, you know. I've spilled a tobacco juice and I'm at a bill, be all right. That's a valuable, yeah.

I would love to hear from that person, send me an email. And I would love to hear that. Before you tell yours, I'll tell Mike because I'm sure yours is... Well, I was just going to make a comment about the Elvis. I mean, it's bringing back a painful memory because, you know, Elvis, I've shared this before. He died on my birthday, which ruined my birthday party. You always make it sound like it's his fault. No, it wasn't his fault.

This was a giving. You got in the spirit of giving. Spirit of giving. Which I like that, then. So when I was eight years old, you know, we were feeling. fixing to do the party. And they remember it well. It comes on the news and look, the party never happened.

It killed the party. Fortunately, the Lord intervened, you know, in my life. And, you know, I came to Jesus and I've forgiven all my trespassers because I forgive them this. But if that hadn't happened, I'm sure at some point in my life, if I would have gone into therapy, you know, I would have. would have gone back to that eight years old and the party that never happened that was devastating it never happened the gifts were not open the cake was not made the candles were blown out

finally at the end of the day those those presents were still laying there on the couch august 16 1977 said you know what the day the party never happened i think i'm just going and get those presents and go take them to my room and have my own party. And that's what I did. It was completely forgotten. I think it's kind of sad, really. And then did we mark it every year after? Well, then the next year, it was like, oh, it's Jay's a birthday, but it's a reminder that Elvis died. So then it took, you know, probably five years. But lucky for you, a month later, Jeff was born. And so then everything was right with the world again. I'm not sure that was the case.

It just, it got forgotten is what I'm saying. Life happens. And sometimes you're, you know, wondering. Sorry to bring out such a sad memory. Why the party never happened. So I went to Enterprise Alabama, which is about, I think it's about seven hours from here. And it's kind of in the, I guess, central eastern Alabama. I didn't know much about it.

We were in and out quick, but I spoke on behalf of a pregnancy center as well, Dan. And it was a packed house as well. And it was great. What I did know, there's a, in the middle of this town, it's about the size of West Monroe in Enterprise, Alabama, they have several monuments with a statue honoring the bowl weevil. in downtown the bug the bug there's like 20 something different statues with on the top of each one

of these monuments is a is a kind of a giant bowl weevil and so I was curious I was like okay so what's the deal with the bowl weevil you know what this is kind of an honor you know bowl weevil I thought that was kind of a bad dude you know they wipe out the cotton yeah and so they said well what happened was back in the early 1900s the bow weevils wiped out the cotton and i said well this looked like cotton territory wasn't that a bad thing they said well it was but what happened was since the bowl weevil wiped out the cotton somebody came up with the big idea that we are to plant peanuts here so enterprise alabama became the peanut capital of the south and made a lot of money and saved the town, and they became known for peanuts instead of cotton.

That kind of goes in with the theme of our book that we've been studying. Exactly. The suffering produces. Yeah, produced an idea. That's exactly right. And they were smart enough to say, you know what, that bowl of evil, he did us some good. So we're going to honor the bowl of evils. All these years later, they got all the, I thought that was interesting.

That's what they're known for. Bizar. Bizarre, but interesting. And showing you the flexibility of human beings on how to make a... That's right. That's exactly right. Save the town. Sometimes it takes a bowl wheel to jumpstart it.

That's exactly right. So that was kind of the highlight of my... Well, I went to an island that will be named later. And I can't... You've got to be a little cryptic about yours. Yeah, you know, we're... Thanks to you, Unashamed Nation, we're filming... We're deep in...

into the next season of Duck Family Treasure. And it's going quite well. But in this case, we were, the plan was to go off to an island in the Atlantic Ocean. And this was one of the few episodes where it was one of those deals where like the TV people were like, we want y'all to go to an island and see what you can find. Because that, you know, that goes back as far as from a historic point of view.

I mean, we're going back hundreds of years because, you know, shipwrecks and, you know, Native Americans. And then, you know, the people inhabited the island through the generation. So they won't kind of. I was like, so there was no scout is what I'm saying. You know, we're just going. They were kind of a survivor mentality, right? They just, you know, they have these hairbrain ideas. But I'm like, hey, fine with me.

I don't mind going to an island. So I should have known it was going to be more challenging than usual. Because you do have Jepp along who we've already described as proclivity for... So me, Jep, and Murray, and the showrunner. Hang on. We're going to further. We've got to take a break. We were going to fly later than the crew because

you know, the talent and the showrunner, they get set up logistically, and, you know, and then we come in. Well, they filled up the early flight, and, you know, Monroe's not exactly a giant airport. You know, you have gate one and gate two. You have airplane one and you have airplane two. Well, airplane one left early and it went, because we're headed east. So most people, when you think we're going to go towards the Atlantic on the East Coast, you would fly from Monroe to Atlanta to wherever it is out here in the Atlantic. But the crew had filled up the plane because these planes are small. So we had to go Monroe, Dallas, and then to the East Coast.

So that was the plan. So we got there, you know, we're supposed to. of begin boarding and then they said oh there's a slight delay there's some wind out here and so about an hour into that when we were supposed to get on the plane i told the showrunner i said we need to we need to look for some other transportation she's like well well they haven't told us yet i was like yep but i travel enough to know and we're already going the wrong way we were looking there were storms out around dallas better start early i said pull the plug now Start early.

So about 30 minutes later, she looked at me, I said, I'm telling you, pull the plug. So she then started trying to find out. Long story short, we ran a car and we drive to the Atlantic Ocean. We arrived almost at 1 o'clock in the morning. So that's how it got started. We stayed because this island you cannot fly to nor. drive to. You got to take a boat. So then the next morning at 6 a.m., we finished the venture. And then just film for three days like that never happened. There was never a time where we made

up for that night of sleep that we did not have. So it was a pretty rough start. So we get on the island. It was real interesting because the number one thought I had was the 10 plagues. of the, you know, biblical accounts that we read. Well, they have two, I would say, biblical plagues going on there. Now, we met a couple locals that said when the temperature gets in a 10 degree range, these two insects flourish. And it was the gnat and the tick. I'm talking plague.

Pleg level. Tens of millions. of gnats that were blood suckers and look we held up better because I started covering my skin about 20 minutes into it I thought this won't work the beard and all this stuff that people are like oh yeah you look so rough you know well it comes in handy when you're you know a tick's trying to burrow in and get into your left ear he gets hung up with all the brush that I got on my face these TV people I mean most of them look like they had leprosy at the end of the event.

Oh, Zach's made a surprise appearance, and he looks like he has somebody from the military aiding him. I heard a voice. I don't know who that was. So that was an interesting place. It was a jungle. What I learned later, we were on the jungle section. I mean, I kept thinking at any moment,

you know the bad guy and apocalyptic that maybe, if you haven't seen it, It's rated R because it just for violence, I think. But it's a really good movie. Yeah, it's a good movie. And it's about the Mayans and the place we were at looked like that. And perhaps Jeff said a Jurassic Park, you know, he kept thinking that just two dinosaurs were going to come out. I mean, we were in the jungle.

I don't know what I'll tell you. It was a full-scale jungle. And it was famous for, you know, snakes and spiders, but I saw a lot of spiders, but I didn't see any snakes, which I can't believe it. I thought we'll probably lose a person or two during this venture. But we actually didn't, although I'm sure some of those TV people are in some sort of hospital, just dealing with the, they were either allergic to the gnat bites or they were just welts. Those ticks could have been full of who knows what. But we saw that a lot in the family of duck dynasty, though. of those crews were in the hospitals from insects.

Yeah, right. And they were not bothering us at all. But a lot of them, little girls had a short-toned. They were just, just eaten up. Well, they were, what's funny is, so when we would meet them at their little house, they, when we pulled up, they would, I could hear them all talking about how many ticks they picked off, you know, like the showrunner had picked two off her back, you know. I mean, it was just, just, she was screaming.

about it, you know what I mean? It actually was quite comical. But so I think when they left, they're like, awesome episode. Y'all did great. We will never do anything like this again. Because it was basically inhabited where we were, you know? I mean, we just, I mean, and it's amazing. But, you know, when you go back hundreds of years, what you, you find things.

here and there, you know, even in the jungle, I mean, it just, it was, it was quite the, uh, three or four days, but I feel like I just dreamed it. I mean, I got back last night and I just collapsed. And it's like, I woke up this morning. I'm like, did that really just happen? I mean, it just seemed like I left the planet. I was on some other planet jungle. So which is what they were going for? I guess. I had no idea. I mean, I should have done a lot. I mean, a little research, I guess. But I mean, I don't mind being out in the woods. I mean, I had all the basic, because I just acted like I was going hunting.

So I had everything I needed. And I had a few layers on, even though it was really hot. It was like extremely warm there, which I was surprised at. But it was just you had to have the layers of clothes just as armor. Yeah. You all were much more equipped to handle that scenario than your crew. was. I mean, everybody pretty much Jep kept wearing short sleeves. And I was like, yep, but he just didn't have any long sleep because he's like, well, I knew it was going to be hot.

So he paid the price for that. But we'll see. We'll see. We'll see. It turns out. I mean, what I'm saying is the cast held up better. And the cameraman seemed to be a little more, you know, savvy with the environment. But all the other people, they were struggling. Temperors were flaring. I heard them yipping and yapping and yapp. Because it just, they're scared. You know, you get out there in a jungle and they're just not used to it.

And so I found it pretty comical. Kind of entertaining. Amongst themselves, you know what I mean? They were like, I was like, hey, this was y'all's idea. Don't they have something or so they go out in the middle of nowhere and drop them off? Oh, yeah. Yeah, it felt like one of those types of. shows.

You got shows like that. Yeah. I don't even know what the name of it is. Well, that was a few and afraid. Yeah, naked and afraid. Zach, I would like for you to get in touch with Ben and find out that woman's name that they invited me to Tupelo because of, you know, just because of her work in that area trying to save the children.

They say they talked 173 women, young women, from taking the, from taking the law. life of their child. Actually, he sent me, it's called the Park Gate Clinic, in Tupelo. Yeah. They've seen 2,000 clients and 175 moms have chosen life. And the sister, I just can't remember the sister's name. That's fine.

So what, Zach, what you've been doing? Yeah, we've been telling stories of our travels. Have you been traveling in these act? Or, you know, we know you're doing. I did. Yeah. I went up to Liberty University with Willie and Corey. Yeah, I heard that.

We, yeah, we, we did our first public screening of the film. So we did it for the film students at Liberty. Willie and Corey spoke at Convo, which is like their version of chapel, which is about, you know, it's a big chapel. It's about 15,000 students. And so they spoke there, told a little bit about what we were doing, talked about Phil and Kaye, y'all's life story. It was good. And then we, that afternoon, we had a movie theater there for all the film students. They've got a pretty robust film program at Liberty.

I was very impressed with what they're doing. So did that and then flew up there on Thursday and flew back on Saturday. So, yeah, we did a little traveling too. So you mentioned a movie. What movie you're talking about? Yeah, I'm afraid to say. Al already gave you a plug there. Did you already do it out?

Yeah, he did it. I did it for you. I wasn't sure. We were trying to check. His facts, he said it was going to be out in September. Is that right? Yeah, September 22nd. I mean, you can go to the blindmovey.com and find out.

But, yeah, if you're just listening here. Yeah, so I'm proud of you. I brought one over. So that's good. Yeah, I mentioned it. And if you go there, you can get updates, right, on the movie? Yeah, you get all the updates. We're putting up like trailers and a little behind-the-scenes footage,

and we'll have some family interviews. We'll have one of the things we want to do, I think will be cool, too, is maybe some really big Zoom calls that will invite. So that's where you're going to find out and get invites to that. But you can come and we'll have kind of Q&A with different family members throughout the next few months just about what we're doing and just really interactive. So anybody that's kind of interested in helping be an ambassador because it's going to take a ton of people. I mean, that's what I've realized. By the way, the Jesus Revolution film is doing real well, which is a good sign for just faith-based films in general.

John and Andy did a great job with that, Irwin Brothers. So it's doing well. It came out last week. So, yeah, I think it's a good sign for things to come, for sure. Which have y'all seen that? Do you guys watch the yet?

Lisa and I are planning to see that when we come up and see you guys. I just shared. I've been in a jungle for about four days, so I didn't see anything. I heard the end of that. I was curious, where was the jungle at? I didn't want to, like,

we were off the Atlantic Ocean in a, In a place named to be later. Oh, so you guys were like in a, you were actually on an island somewhere. Yeah, we were on an island. Oh, man. I mean, I really enjoyed it. I mean, it was, that was challenging. I mean, I'd like to have some kind of nat.

I kept thinking about your, uh, your women's perfume. I just, but I just don't think it would have worked. This, this was gnats on a plague level. You needed, you needed, uh, mo. for this one. Let's take another place. In fact, I heard the cameraman say that, because I was like, man, I wish there was some way to capture the amount of gnat. And the cameraman said, oh, you're going to see it. There's so many of them around y'all during every scene.

I mean, it's amazing that, because, you know, the first couple of hours I was slapping them because they hurt when they bite you. But after a while, you know, it's just crazy. You just... Yeah, you went about two weeks too late. You, because you got in on the action right as the weather change, and that's when they come out. Because what was the weather there? Probably 70.

And I'll never... Yeah, it was like 75 to 80. But I'll never complain about pollen either again. You know, like, oh, we got pollen. No. No. This, you could see. It looked like it was raining.

It was just... My phrase was, this place is muggy and buggy. Yeah. Yeah, well, a lot of people think that that only happens in Louisiana. Then you get over there on the East Coast around South Carolina and Georgia. You get on, I mean, you're talking about a swampy. That's in Florida, North Florida. Yeah.

Small stomping grounds. It's swampy. But you never get too old to enjoy a good adventure. And so everyone, to my knowledge, has lived over the ordeal. at this current moment. And so, because I don't know, the tick factor,

we'll see how that works out. TBD on the, but it just shows you, you know, one of the benefits of marriage, you know, because I had to explain to my lovely wife, I was like,

I'm going to need a full search for the ticks, you know. Oh, country music boy wrote a song about that, you know. Yeah. I like to check for ticks. Yeah.

But it's, it's, it's. So now we're back to that wedding night again. Wow. It's legal. Back to that biology. It's very, uh, it's one of the perks of marriage. That's right. As you get to,

you get to check your spouse for ticks. Very underrated. Because ticks can be dangerous. You're right. I can. That's exactly right. So we're going to do anything spiritual? On that note, I guess we better shift back to First Peter.

we uh are you going to are we in first peter no we've been talking about where we went and i don't know it just got no we yeah we we're yeah we didn't quite finish the book um we got through the text we didn't do we didn't finish that last little uh close and there's a couple of interesting things in there that i wanted to mention and then we kind of do a little final uh overview of the book before we move on to second peter but uh we kind of finished all the main themes there in chapter five through verse 11. But he does a little final greeting. And it was kind of interesting most of the stuff I read about that is that it's obvious that from most scholars, from the Greek, that when you get to verse 12, Peter kind of puts his own hand to the pen in these last three verses because all the syntax and everything changes.

So it's like he writes this himself because he says, with the help of Silas. And it's obviously that Silas or Sylvainus, as some versions say, has written the bulk of the text with Peter, just giving it to him. It says, with the help of Silas, whom I regard is a faithful brother, I have written to you briefly, encouraging you and testifying that this is the true grace of God, stand fast in it. And then this is the part that was kind of interesting. She who is in Babylon, so who is she?

and then where is Babylon chosen together with you send you her greetings and so does my son Mark and we're assuming that's just John Mark greet one another He's not his real son but just spiritual son

Right greet one another with a kiss of love Peace to all of you who are in Christ So these are actually His words Kind of in the close Which is kind of typical Paul does that a lot too

A lot of scholars argue about what all this means, because at this point, Babylon was a very tiny former version of itself. Right, right. So most think that it was like him using the code, secret Babylon code for he's in Rome, and this is the church in Rome because of the impending persecution. Right. And I kind of agree with that. I think so, too.

I mean, it doesn't make any sense, you know, because Peter has. He's already said into Babylon. He's already said he's written at the beginning, remember to the scattered, you know, to the scattered in Asia Minor. And so as then he says, together with you, sends her greetings. And so she probably sounds like maybe the church, you know, although some of us say maybe it's his wife. But it sounds like he's done like the church in Rome is kind of what. You can't get hung up on the information. You know, it made me think when I was looking at this because I knew this was going to come.

them up. It's like, you don't want to miss the whole point of the book because you're trying to figure out in these last three verses, these details. I mean, you have to, this is, the word of God inspired by the Holy Spirit is giving you an image of God where like when you read verse 10, I mean, now this is big picture of what he's saying, and the God of all grace who called you. you to his eternal glory in Christ. After you have suffered a little while, will himself, will himself restore you and make you strong,

firm, and steadfast. I mean, that was kind of the point of the entire letter, which is why it's right. And then he just closes it out on a personal level. And you got to remember, he's up in years here when he wrote this. Oh, yeah. And especially you sense that in Second Peter,

which I think is why. he's the end is near and he's thinking of in that type of mindset. Right. Which is what you tend to do, the older you get. So I like it too that he says, I've written you briefly to encourage you. And then back to that point in verse 10, J's, he says, testifying this is the true grace of God. So in other words, this is a testimony of grace. And I love that because that's how he closed the book.

as well. And then there's a call to stand firm in that grace. And we're really going to hit that theme quite a bit in the first chapter in Second Peter as well. But I really, I think you're right. This is the foundation. I mean, it made me think reflecting on this. There comes a point when you're thinking about modern day Christianity and who we are. You can, you can like have a building and make it bigger. And that technically would be growth, but it's like a mechanical growth. You could, somebody could finance, you could look and see this huge building, and it's getting bigger and bigger.

That doesn't necessarily mean anything. If it was not based on the grace of God and the people being changed by the grace of God, you're just building big structures. I mean, you could, that's not spiritual growth. And so that's really what he's going to get into and going back to this reference in 1st Peter 2, because I'm trying to connect what we're going to study in 2 but when he said 1st Peter 2,

where he was talking about like newborn 2-2 babies crave pure spiritual milk so that by it you may grow up in your salvation, which I really believe that's what 2nd Peter is about. But when you think about what that is, we tend to focus on just the actual being born again. But everywhere, Jesus and Peter, and they use these metaphors,

it's like a flower or a baby. Well, guess what? That takes time. You don't, no matter what you give a baby, they're not just going to, they're an adult. And what I'm saying is the foundation, the what makes it from mechanical to spiritual is the grace of God. The grace of God, the longer you are basking in the grace of God and the hope and the resurrection,

which is specifically the gospel, that's where that organic growth takes off from. Yeah, what you have to have is you're going to, like you think about what these folks were under fierce persecution. So, you know, they had to move on. Not a necessity. they had to move on beyond just the new birth, and they had to move on to sanctification and to maturity and to the deepening of their faith,

because you can't withstand the onslaught that's coming, you know, particularly with these guys. Like there was a lot that was coming after them. So there's this call to then be participators. And you see the same thing in the – we're going to get into it the next – I think the next chapter of the first chapter, second Peter.

It's this idea that it's not just about getting saved from sin. It's that God's saving us to a new life that is a continual. I like the word incubation. You know, like you're being incubated in the spirit. You know, that's the whole enjoyment of the Holy Spirit. I like the word transformative. I like words like that because they're more like ongoing. I think the temptation for us, though, is to think I want this one and done salvation

so that I can contain it and be done with it. and then I get out of hell free card. But I'm like, man, it's so much more than that. It's so much more than getting out of hell free. It's being connected with who God is. And I think when you go to what Paul said, either in first or second, Thessalonians, when he defines hell, he says it's being shut out from the presence of the Lord.

If you think if that's what hell is, is being shut out from the presence of the Lord, or in Romans chapter one when he defines wrath, He says wrath is when God just turns you over to yourself. You know, then you start to understand that the reward is not eternal existence. It's not that I get to exist eternally autonomously. The reward is that my existence is in the presence of him. And I think that's what this process that you're talking about, Jace, is about.

It's awakening us to the reality that true life is found. when we are living in God, in the presence of God, that he's that beautiful and that wonderful, and he's that good, you know? Well, I think that's why that grace is the arching theme, because all of us, all four of us, have raised children, right? And we know that, as Jay, as you mentioned over the course of time, if grace isn't at the heart of that, you know when you raise children, they're going to make mistakes throughout the course of their lives. And so if you don't have grace as an arching theme as you're raising children, you're going to be very frustrated through the process of raising those children.

And it's the same thing with God and us. That's why that has to be right at the central core. And that's why this keeps coming up when you think about the concept of salvation. Well, I think it's everybody's tempted when you first get in because you haven't realized even though you said Jesus is going to be the Lord in my life. and you're accepting Jesus, you know, as your Lord and you're surrendering and submitting the nature of man and going to the, you know, babies and how they by nature operate, it quickly becomes about you. Because this process of understanding, that's why I said grace is the key,

is you realize, you know, a lot of people that I've, you know, shared Jesus with, and been a part of their conversion. They already had a supposed conversion, or many of them. And it's like when you're trying to figure out what the problem was, in all these instances, it was all a mechanical type conversion where they were just doing good things, going to church, reading the Bible, understanding, looking at this from an informational standpoint,

but there was no life, you know, organic source that was like the focus, which, you know, is the Holy Spirit of God. It was all just like a mechanical. I'm doing all these things so I can go to heaven. And at some point, I think everyone must realize, well, wait a minute, this is not about me. I'm never going to be able to have enough accolades or do enough stuff to be impressive to God. That's what I keep referring to, that there has to be this moment where you realize, well, wait a minute, I'm getting in the way by trying to earn this or trying to be something that I feel good about. And so I think when you, because we're going to get into this in Second Peter, but when he starts talking about this, not forgetting, I mean, not forgetting that your sins were cleansed.

and if you do that you will never fall away. Well, you're like, well, how could somebody forget that? Because I think that's where we're getting off here. Well, people get off of it because they're not putting who God is and what he did into our practical life. It's just something like a course. You get the information. It's an add-on. Yeah, you add that and you go out and do if you get things.

You're in your church all the time. But so when you're in real life, you don't see him. his presence or how he's worked because it's not at the forefront or the core of who you are. And so you're basically forgetting his grace in the moment. Right. So, I mean, just to give an example of that. Well, go ahead. Go ahead, Dan.

Now, you think about how Paul, when Paul sets up his argument in the book of Romans, it's, he starts off with this phrase where he says, you know, basically I was called the apostleship to bring the Gentiles to the obedience of faith. And then he lamb blasts the Gentiles for how debauchous they were. And he talks about for the wrath of God as being revealed. And he lays out all the crazy stuff they were into, the worship of idols and all that stuff, all the sexual stuff, the sins. He just paints this really dark, dark picture of darkness of sin. And then he flips it.

And he says, and to the Jew, he said, you think that you're better. but you do the same things that you judge them for. So you're condemned. And so it's like this, the first three chapters of the book of Romans is like, the word is condemnation. You read like when he quotes here from the Old Testament, he says, there is no one righteous, not even one. There is no one who understands.

There is no one who seeks for God. All have turned aside together. They have all become useless. This is like horrible news. none who does good, not even one. Their throat is an open grave. With their tongue, they keep deceiving. The poison of asps is under their lips, whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness. Their feet are swift to shed blood. Destruction and misery are in their paths, and the path of peace they have not known. There is no fear of God before their eyes. And you think, man, you're talking about, like, he's about to bring the good news.

But before Paul brings any good news in the book of Romans, he points out the fact that what you just said, Jase, you're not going to bootstrap yourself up. You're not going to earn anything in this equation. You bring, the only thing you bring to the table is just total depravity. You're just, you're sick. You're twisted. You're dead. I mean, like, you're not bringing anything. And that's like a, it sounds horrible, but it's a great starting place to understand.

understand our condition, because when you understand your condition as being lost, not just lost, but being a rebel and rebellion to the holy God, when grace comes, then you can truly appreciate grace for what it is, but you can't appreciate what you are saved from if you don't really think that what you were saved from was that bad. You know what I mean? Yeah. You can't really appreciate it. Well, I think his point, because they're suffering because they're unashamed. that Jesus is Lord. So, and it would, rightfully so, you'd have a problem with that because you're like, well, I'm doing God's work.

How come he's not protecting me in this moment? And so that's why he's reminding them. This is about his grace, his timing, his, you know, resurrection, his eternity, and us being surrendering and trusting him. in that. So I think that was the reminder. But look, it's not, it's not unlike any conversation I've had with all my kids when they were, most of them were, when they were teenagers. They were like, I mean, this person is saying bad things about me. And they're just, they're just cutting me down at every turn. And so you're like, what is the answer? It was like,

well, God loves you. You're special. Why are you letting someone else dictate how you feel about yourself? I mean, we've all had those conversations. Because really, you're like, well, they know that, but it's not the focus of their life in the moment. And so even though they know the fact about it, in real life, this person's hurting their feelings and they're not being as popular as they want or their, you know, their boyfriend broke up with them or whatever. All these things are happening. And so you, you know, you go back to that and it's biblical. I mean, even in the Corinthians, he's like, I want to remind you of the gospel. You're like, well, how did they not know the gospel? it's different when you're not living it in your everyday circumstance seeing God's power and grace in that moment

when you finally get to Romans 8 what the law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the sinful nature which we all have God did by sending his own son in the likeness of sinful man to be a sin offering and so he condemned But this takes time for a human being when he goes from loss to save, and now he has the spirit of God in him. He's received Jesus by faith. He's been baptized, came up. So he condemns sin and sinful men in order that the righteous requirements of the law

might be fully met in us who do not live according to the sinful nature. That's what we did up until our conversion. But according to the spirit, with the time frame, it takes to change. switch that over, it's a never-ending struggle. It's a long time. Yeah, it's a long time. It's a long time. Before, then that's why I keep bringing up in these lessons right here. You don't go around doing good because you think somehow you've earned something. You do good because you know God has saved you through the blood of Jesus Christ. That's why you do good. You don't earn it. You can't earn anything. You just practice doing good, being like Jesus, and your sins are not counted against you.

But it takes the time to get that sinful nature pushed back and the fruit of the spirit to come forth. Love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentle, self-control. Those qualities don't come overnight. There's a growing process. What was that? the rest of your life. Yeah. Oh,

it'll make you better grow. And to Paul's point on that, that they are called the fruit of the spirit for a reason because they're not ours. We don't possess them. And we also don't manufacture them. Those are, those are byproducts of pursuing God. And when you said, I love what you said about the why we do good works.

It's not to earn anything. It's because of what he's done. But it is another good motivation for doing good. works is what does it say that the true worship is to offer your body as a living sacrifice to God, holy and pleasing to God. And it says somewhere in there, I think it's in the same text, or maybe it's another text says who by constant use, that's in Hebrews, right? By constant use, the mature have trained themselves to distinguish good from evil.

I think that's in Hebrews chapter. Hebrews 5. Hebrews 5. And I think that's another reason, a good motivation for doing good works, is that by those practices, you will train yourself to distinguish what is good from what is evil. And your desires will be shaped by what you do. So we get a lot of questions on this podcast from people that are getting out of sin, which I love. I love that we have baby Christians.

We've got people that have been walked with the Lord for 30, 40 years. But one of the questions we get is, man, I'm struggling with this, whether it's pornography or drug addiction or alcohol, I can't, I still want to do it. What do I do? And the answer is you walk with Jesus over a lifetime. And over a lifetime, those desires will diminish and will be replaced with the desire for righteousness. And what Jesus said is, if you desire righteousness, if that's what you hunger for, what does he say? He said, you'll be blessed, you know? And so I think that's the reason why, another big reason why we do good works is that we're doing it to be formed,

to be formed into a kind of person that would want to be with God in heaven forever. And so when the reward comes, it's like, yeah, we've been waiting on this our whole life. There are a lot of these rednecks, you've got to just train them to pull the covers back. eyeball their own woman. She's got what all the rest of them have. Have at it. Was this the checking for ticks? We're going to throw back to that.

Take a right turn, Clyde. I don't know where we've swerved into that. That's what you got redneck wisdom there. That's pretty wise, though. I mean, it's a good wisdom. That's a perfect note to end, though. We're out of time. We got what I call the big finale for this book coming up in our overtime.

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