Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 653 | Phil, His New BFF ‘Gordy’ & the Only Way to Safely Say ‘Jesus’ on a College Campus

Episode Date: March 24, 2023

Phil has a new bestie! It’s someone he’s known very well for a long time! Phil gives an update on his latest book, which will be published in late 2023. Al “accidentally” threw Zach under the bus during a recent sermon, and the guys demonstrate the way to talk about Jesus on college campuses. The most misunderstood verse in the Bible (according to Jase) is revealed, as well as the brain-bursting concept of God as a being outside of time.  In this episode: 2 Peter 3; 1 Peter 4, verses 3-6; Matthew 26, verse 75  "The Blind" hits theaters this fall. Get updates, trailers, behind-the-scenes moments, and special opportunities here: https://theblindmovie.com — Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? So I feel like we're back to normal because we got Jace back. We sent Jace away for a couple of podcasts to gather stories. You're not going to hurt my feelings, people. I know that sometimes you just need them to reach. Well, actually, we were without Zach and Jace for a couple of podcasts. Well, y'all should feel revived. Zach wasn't here either. We replaced you guys. with first with stone and sigh and so we told some stone and sigh stories dad be careful what you wish for well yeah that's true i got a hold of uh what's his name Gordon gordie gordie

old Gordon Gordon wrote the last chapter of the book and uh I feel like we started in the middle of a story fell you're writing a book you're writing a book with Zach's dad your brother-in-law Gordy or Gordon We finished it up He did He finished up The last chapter

Sent it to him And I was reading through it Which I'm glad to hear I didn't know We were that far off You're collaborating on a book You're doing the thinking He's done writing

And my The result of reading That last chapter I said Gordon I told Dan to tell him Dan was on the phone I said

Tell him that I just said You're a lot smarter than I am And Gordon Bruce Prya was He said I've been telling people that for years

but nobody believes me. And now you've admitted it. I've admitted it. Hey, he's got me hands down, you know, on brain. If James would only say that to Zach, then we'd have. Well, here's the deal, though. You have book smart. I'm not, I'm not very book smart.

You have street smart. Yeah. I'm actually not that street smart. No. But then you have Jesus smart. Jesus tends to level the playing feel when it comes to intellect, knowledge, and life. So I'm, that is true. Jesus being honest.

Jase is Jesus savvy. That's what he says. The more I read, the less intelligent I think I am. That's where I am. Me too. That's one of the funniest things I've ever heard in my life. That's where I am. The more you read, the less intelligent you feel you are.

That is it. That's me. that's almost an oxymoron but it's a good one in a way i'm not sure the education establishments are going to go that's always been a little bit at odds with the education establishment so that maybe that makes if somebody had just by mistake over the eight-year period of me being indoctrinated various issues if someone had just mentioned one time look there may be a possibility there is in fact a god and jesus really was a great person.

Just the word about him. I never heard not one word about Jesus Christ. You seem angry about it. Eight years. No, I'm just thinking, you know, we're counting time by him, but we never mention him. It's sad that in our culture, about the only time you hear about Jesus

is in some kind of exclamation. You know, somebody's mad. Yeah. he's used as a derogatory term or when you're when you're angry yeah what do you want to get mad about it i'm just more sad about it than mad about it so how do you since you brought up about the book which which we have you never know with books because the publishers are coming down a couple of weeks so you still have to we have a working title that we're calling the jesus resume which i really like but how do you feel about the book do you

like the book? Do you think it turned out like you wanted it to? The goal, the goal was to get people to acknowledge, at least acknowledge the goodness of Jesus Christ. I just wanted people to finally just say, you know, okay, you got a point. I mean, if there is such a thing as that, I said, well, the description's all there. You're counting time by him, the world is, I would just think he needs more scrutinizing, just take a look at him, see what he had to say, see what kind of person he was, and just report it to the people, if you're an instructor somewhere at some college, at least bring it up, that if this person would have been real, this is pretty good story here.

You'll remove your sin and raise you from the dead. I mean, you just get to looking at it, you would think, you know. You just describe my whole That is my philosophy I'm trying to get people every day To take a look at Jesus Yeah, that's it For yourself

Yeah Well really, for those of you Have been kind of What harm, they won't even let you mention His name It's against the law But you can mention it As long as you're doing it

In a, what is the correct word I'm looking for there? When people... He wasn't a killer, he got killed. When people use it as a what you know they'll hit their thumb with a hammer and they're like geez you know right there what an expletive yeah that that's a way you can use his name as an expletive yeah you know like you're you're angry in an angry moment but you can't say it in a in a name of

praise or you know or like it's like he's real but what's always fascinating to me me is they're acknowledging that in those even in movies and all. Jesus has mentioned in just about every movie, especially right at our ones, so I've heard. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So for those of you that have been kind of following Dad's book arch for these last probably four or five years, this is kind of, to me, the capper of this four book series.

Because you started kind of painting the picture of from your viewpoint back in the 16, kind of the what's wrong with America, the theft of America's soul. And then you kind of moved into Jesus politics, which was the idea of a Jesus versus what we currently see. Then you moved into uncancel, which is the idea that the cross really does show you the ultimate, you know, it solves the problems. And now it's like the crowning moment is Jesus does trump all of it. Here's his resume. Here's his resume. Take him to believe him. So it is kind of.

of a four, it is kind of a cap right to the whole series. I heard a guy say, I heard a pastor say, I'm back. Well, I heard you guys the whole time. I'm not sure why I was trying to interject this comment, but actually it's better now. Please interject it because we have a really funny story about you that happened yesterday. So I'll follow that. You could follow up with that. That makes me nervous, because I wasn't around you guys yesterday. So I'm not sure what all that means. But, but, uh, No, I heard a guy say, he said, nobody has a problem with Jesus until you tell him who he is, until you tell them who he is. I think that's the thing about the resume of Jesus. Once you start, you read down the list of his resume that Phil's putting together with that.

Yeah, it's a different story. I mean, he's, I mean, he is alpha omega beginning and end. He's God incarnate all the things. So I think it's going to be a very powerful book for you, Phil, for sure. This is kind of the apex of really your whole life. Gordon, he said he's having a struggle some because I keep telling him, you're smarter than I am. I'm just giving you some advice from time or time.

But you're smarter, Gordy, than I am. And he said, I've been trying to get that across to people, but they don't believe me. And the sad thing is even with your admission, I still don't think people are going to believe, believe him. So, you know, there may be no. So what? Gordon is smart.

Gordon is smart, but he acts dumb. He acts silly. But you, so it took me a few years to get past that. But Gordon was the, it took, it took the, it was funny because by, by him being married to Jan all those years, he, he was able to understand the Robertson mind, which is, is a complex thing to do. You're being way too nice. Scary. Irrational. A lot of things.

Crazy. And brilliant. There's some brilliance in there too. It is. Now when my wife tells me that she needs a break, used to hurt my feelings, but now I'm like, no, I get it.

But to unlock it, to unlock and to walk that mine field, and to, it's like you were going someplace to, into this dangerous place to try to, mine out the best of what's there. So Gordon has been able to do that and to capture that. I just wanted him to know just from reading the last chapter of that book.

After I read that, I said, that guy, that Gordy, he's a, he is a highly intelligent man, way more than me. Way more. He's fine. It fascinating. He said, I agree. I know I am. But I can't get anybody to acknowledge it. That all of a sudden you're calling him Gordy.

I know. It's like after all this time, they bonded to the point that he's Gordy. He came up with a new nickname. I mean, that's first I heard him called as Gordy. It was Dash. He's upgraded from Dash to Gordy. Well, he had Gordo for a while. Yeah.

And I think those are the early years. But now it's affectionately known as Gordy. Yeah, that's because he's got a new place with him. No, so yesterday I was at WFR. I didn't know how I was preaching. and I should have known. It was back to back, and I told them, you know, now that I'm volunteer preaching,

but I hadn't done a back-to-back in a while, and I have to admit, I hit the wall because I was like, okay, I want to be paid double since I preached back-to-back. I know what zero plus zero is. That's the problem. There are no zero times two. Zach, I'm learning math.

I got paid double, but two times zero, dad, is still zero. But the caveat of that is nobody can say, what are you talking about? I mean, we're not paying you to talk about. No, we're just not paying it. So you can get away. They get more freedom.

I'm actually very happy with my arrangement. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. In the last 20 years, I've probably spoken a number of times there. But I like it. Even if they offered me something, I'd say, no. They've tried to hire me. Trust me, I'm happy with my situation.

By the way, Al, I let our audience know. They were from all over these United States. of foreign countries. And I had them for about 40 minutes to give them a charge. The Unashamed Bible class, for those of you listening, every Sunday at 9, Dad, leads the class. And I let them all know, and they sit there and their mouths kind of dropped, but I let them know that you, nor know I, we weren't being paid.

No, we volunteered. No one's paying us. You're in Chase. And Zach. And Zach. No one's paying us. But they thought that odd. Yep.

They said, well, you know, I said, we just want to get the word out. Well, I found it kind of weird. You know, they do things differently, I guess, at WFR. So they had all the big auditorium, which is where I was, the, I kept waiting. I was like, he's preaching. There was nobody on the front row. It was the only row that, you know, didn't have people on it. I was like, so then you were getting a little nervous, aren't you?

Well, I had seen Mike. It seemed odd the way that worked. Yeah. And I was like, I guess we're going to watch a video. And so you were right next door in a smaller auditorium. Yep. And so then you came up. We run a simultaneous service at our building.

So we watched the video version, or I could have just got up and walked 100 feet. But then there probably wasn't a seat. It was full in there. But anyway, Zach, what he was preaching on. First Peter four. So we're in Second Peter three. I think we're going to get to second. Did you and Stone and Si,

did y'all get into the inner workings of Second Peter? We got it. We covered no texts with, well, I'll be surprised if anybody came back from that. So you were in First Peter four. No, we did. Hang on, though. We did talk about, what was it that, Cy, because I had preached. And so, oh, so I got to mention this, Jay.

You want to take a break first? Yeah, let's take a break. So, Cy, I had preached on First Peter 3 the Sunday before Cy was on, because I preached two weeks and a row. And so, I said, something you said in your sermon gave me a different view of God. I said, really? He said, well, that and an episode of Star Trek that I was. Oh, my God. And I said, well, good night.

side, a different view of God. He said, yeah, he said, it was about, it was an episode where there was a, it was an entity and it was a noxious cloud. And it had a brain. It was intelligent. And it made me think of God as a cloud. Well, he probably got that from Exhibition. Well, one of the things we need to. And he was a cloud. I guess so. The power. I mean, he was, uh. But I don't remember what I said in my sermon about that, but something made him think of that. One of the things that we will find in 2. Peter chapter 3, here's the ironic thing about all this.

Dear friends, this is now my second letter to you. I've written both of them as reminders to stimulate you to wholesome thinking. I'm going to talk about that. I want you to recall the words spoken in the past by the Holy Prophets and the command given by our. Lord and Savior through your apostles. Well, when Peter was an apostle, and the word came out that when Jesus said, I'm going up to Jerusalem, he began to explain, Jesus began to explain to his disciples.

So Peter's sitting there. Well, in lieu of what I just read, Second Peter chapter three, that God allowed him to write, that Jesus said, I must go to Jerusalem, suffer many things at the hands. of the elders chief preteachers of law, I must be killed, and on the third day be raised alive. And Peter, of all people, that wrote second Peter chapter three,

a few years later, Peter took him, Jesus aside. He said, come over, let me show it, come over here. So he's talking to the son of God, who had just said, I'm going to die for the sins of the world, including yours, Peter.

And Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him. Never, Lord. never Peter was not for the salvation of the world he's saying no way Jose well this shall never happen to you and Jesus turned and said to Peter now out of my sight Satan you're a stumbling block to me you do not have in mind the things of God Peter's lost it way big time and my point in my lesson yesterday was but he forgave him and reinstitute him stated him and Peter got on the right track enough to God allowed him to write scripture.

Well, I just find that when somebody says, I don't know whether I'm going to make it or not. You know, I'm in. I messed up yesterday. And what he doesn't understand is you need to look at Peter and how far he went. How far he arrived and his faith was weak. But God, Jesus himself, embraced him as a brother, forgave him of his sin. of not even recognizing him. I don't know who he is.

And all that, that friction. I just find it amazing that we have such a merciful God through Jesus. I find it amazing. That's the only ran I have for the next hour. It wasn't good. It was a good. So your point was the mercy of Jesus

towards even a guy that would miss the whole point. You know, and who's he calling Satan? himself or Peter when he said out of my sight Satan after Peter concluded that I was not going to be able to die for the sins of the world and raising from the dead. I mean, that's, he went at the heart of it. And amazingly in the book of Acts, the one who had the keys to the kingdom and had the gospel on straight as an era was in fact Peter. So the resurrection when Peter became, he saw resurrect, he saw Jesus resurrect people.

You would have thought he would have had more faith but it just let you know everybody's got weaknesses and we all need forgiveness. Well, it's like on Paul when he was writing to Timothy same principle with you

in 1st Timothy 1 15 and 16 it says here's a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance. Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners and then Paul said, of whom I am the worst. Peter not didn't get to that.

He came late, but he finally got to it. But watch what he says in the next verse, because it's to your point. For that very reason, I was shown mercy so that in me, the worst of sinners, Christ Jesus might display his unlimited patience as an example for those who would believe on him and receive eternal. Unlimited patience. That's what a lot of us are lacking. But boy, he had it.

Jesus had it. Well, he still does, and that's... He saw the end at the beginning. Well, and that was kind of my... To get back to Jace, what you were about to talk about, my overarching point that I landed on and where I was in first Peter, which we're going to get to in second,

was as long as you're alive, you have an opportunity to make changes to not face ultimate judgment. Yeah. As long as you're alive, I mean, Peter proved that. But you need to move on that pretty quickly. You do. because this idea about the end of all things is near.

The idea is once you get to the end, there's no more opportunity. Well, that was when you threw Zach under the bus. Because I was so intrigued by what you were fixed to talk about because I knew we had spent at least one podcast on First Peter 4. I mean, it's not the easiest thing to pontificate on. I mean, there's some deep stuff in there, especially when he's talking about preaching the gospel to those who are alive and to those who are dead. And this is coming off the heels of First Peter 3 at the year.

It was back to back, right? And I had dealt with that text the week before. So, but then when you got to the end of all things that near, I thought, now what's he going to get into this? And so then he threw Zach under the bus by saying, now a lot of these people, they want to talk about the eschatology of what this, means on whether it's uh and you you i don't want to mischaracterize your words but you said whether this is the destruction i said is this the is this the end of the end of all things

this is this is this 80 70 and i mentioned three or four different things we argue about but then you went like yeah like you agreed with all of them but you said the word eschatology yeah it could be any of those things but in the context of what i said could it just mean that it could be the end of all things for anybody that we're talking about, right? Yeah, and you just said, hey, I got news for you. The end of all things is near. To get in there 76 years, having read that, I just looked at my own. I said, oh, I'm just on the edge here.

76. I don't have long. The end of all things is near, Phil. Well, that was, he made a couple of funny things about it. But I was just going to say to Zach so he can comment and defend him now. So, Al, I'm in this room with how many people in the big entrepreneurial? He said, 700 people. So when you said eschatology, it was the way you said it.

There was one person who laughed, which was me, in the whole crowd. I went, nobody else laughed. You were like a voice crying out in the wilderness. So three people. I thought you were going to say Ryan Hammack because he's the only person. Well, I said three people might have gotten the joke that the way you said eschatology. Or Kurt. He may have laughed.

Yeah, Kurt. Well, Kurt was sitting right behind me. So I was literally sitting on the edge of my seat. Yeah, you got to be careful. I like to keep him within my visual because I don't want to be just scared, like jump scared because he hollers out Jesus. But he said Jesus on that, but it was soft. He did. He was the softer gentler.

He was like. Jesus. He did that a few times. Normally it's rare, Jesus. He was more, uh, so he, you had him, but when I laughed, he looked around at me like, what did he say? Because who, who would know what eschatology even means? I didn't know it. I'd never heard of it until Zach brought it up a month ago. I was going to say eschatological, but that's hard to say. Eschatological. How do we pronounce it? Eschatolite. That's hard to say. I had practiced it, but it was hard to say that word because it was actually an adjective, but I couldn't say it. So is Zach still there or is he going on again? Oh, we lost him. Well, I gave him an opportunity to defend himself. Yeah. Well, that's what I would say, too.

I'd say, well, I just can't get a connection. I mean, every time Zach, it's time to offend himself. He's. fades out. I thought while ago when Zach was talking that he was putting his hand over the mic going I can't hit. I used to do that when you're super smart. That's the kind of stuff you try to do. But I really, I really wasn't thinking about Zab. But now that you say that, no, that's what I'm saying. He's the only person that brought that up and we had a big issue about it. But here's what I will say. Let's take a bird. I did think about it, Jay's, because we spent quite a bit of time talking about it. And we should because in a discussion, when you're dealing with a text, you think about these things.

But in a sermon, when I was talking about in context, a person looking at their life here thinking about, do I want to be like these people being described and living this life that I used to live? Yeah, what was the title of your son, The Better Life? Living My Best Life. Yeah, living my best life. Because he's saying, this is the way you used to be, and here's the way you want to be. And right in the middle of it, he says, the end of all things is near. Therefore, be clear-minded, self-control so that you can pray.

So my point was, is that he's telling you, you're going to be judged so you don't want to live like that. I mean, in a practical sense. And so I wanted to keep it in that context, but I got some thinking about it. well, really, that's the best way to view that text. And then if you want to look at the bigger end of time and all that, that's good because he's going to deal with that in the text we're getting to ultimately in Second Peter. It perfectly mirrors what we're at in Second Peter 3. It does.

I'll just read it. First Peter 4 in verse 3 says, you have spent enough time in the past doing what pagans used to do. And you read this. And I mean, it was, and you didn't sugarcoat it. No. So then he lists all these things that we used to do. Debuttery, you kind of had a funny moment about, because we don't use that word anymore.

I don't even really know how we want to define it. I looked it up and then it listed some of the things right after it as debauchery. Well, there's a verse in Ephesians four or five, no, five, that says don't get drunk on a wine which leads to debauchery. So I would, I've always defined debauchery as something drunk, someone under the influence would be doing. So I think we get that. Or lust, drunkenness, orgies.

I mean, this is pretty graphic. Carousing, which that's another one. I'm not real sure what carousing is. Carousing. Just hanging out with one or two or a little group, and you're just up to no good the whole bunch. I like it. Detestable.

I mean, I don't like it. like and I'm saying that's a good definition detestable idolatry they think it's strange that you don't plunge with them now your the version you read yesterday was uh what was it into reckless yeah that's the word it used was uh mine says flood of dissipation which what does that mean but yours had what was the phrase you kept said uh reckless wild living yeah they think it strange this is so first Peter 4-4, they think it strange you do not plunge with them in reckless while living. Yeah, that was the updated NIV, used that phrase, which I think that's a better character, right? Because I zeroed in on that because, you know, people understand when people live recklessly,

which is a description of that, you think about it, because a reckless life means that I don't care what anybody else thinks. Here's the way I'm going to live. I've been there. I've been there too. And I didn't stay there long, but I've been there. I've been there. And what happens is, of course, you know, Jason is funny because we talked about me speaking

in different rooms, which you think, well, what does it matter? That scares the daylight out of me. Yeah, me too. But, you know, I was glad I was in the room I was in yesterday. You were in kind of the CR room. I was in the reckless room. In the reckless room, which I thought that's why you did it. No, it just happened that that was the room they had it set up yesterday.

It just couldn't have been better. Good for you. I mean, if you had the Pharisee room or the reckless room, I'd go to the reckless room if you're talking about reckless. Well, look. Not to say there were Pharisees in our room, but I'm saying. No, but what happens is. There's always a struggle, which is the point of all this.

Anything other than God at the center of your life is reckless. Right. And it may be good things. I mean, that's why you, you know, when we characterize sinful behavior, you also are realizing that Jesus had the biggest problems with the Phariseical mind. Right. Not that those sinners were actually halfway welcoming to Jesus. And so to our audience, so you understand, so we had these two services in our church.

The bigger room there, most of the people in that room are more years removed from that sort of lifestyle, like dad and I were talking about. It's been many, many years since we were removed from that lifestyle. The room that I was in, these people are pretty fresh. Oh, yeah. They're in a lot of our home, the recovery homes and things like this, Settibur recovery. So what I'm saying is they were speaking back,

which kind of got me going more into it, because they were right out of there. So when I started saying, anybody here knows about reckless living and, you know, that you got somebody that's going to say, they're like, oh, yeah, you know, like, All right. Just a few months. Well, they were cheering a few times.

Well, because our crowd wasn't cheering a few times. They just, they're not as passionate, which unfortunately, you know, in a lot of our churches, the longer you're in the church, the less excited you are about it, which is very unfortunate. Yeah, it doesn't mean it doesn't inspire you. It just does it. You don't always show that as much. That's true.

That emotion. So let me read this. So they think it's strange. I'm kind of preaching your sermon, which was excellent by the. the way. I thought it was outstanding. And in verse five, because here's the connection I wanted to make, but they will have to give account to him who is ready to judge the living and the dead. Now, then you went on and made a point about, you know, that's why the gospel was preached. And then verse seven, the end of all things is near. And then you read the next few verses, which gave really the defined

living the best life you could live. This is on the other side of the new birth. And you had Lisa get up and share, I thought it was incredible, just what you all went through and all the sides of that, the reckless living, the encountering Jesus, the now the love and hospitality and speaking as God would speak and serving as God would serve. It was fantastic.

So where I wanted to bridge a connection, so you got 1 Peter 4, and he says, we're all going to give an account in front of God. We're all going to stand before God. And there's other verses that say that. You know, Jesus, in fact, and I looked it up. You know who talked about judgment and hell more than any other person in the Bible? Jesus. Jesus. It's in here.

and so you know we spend 99% of our time talking about god's grace and love and mercy you know through the gospel but don't ever doubt it peter makes it quite clear judgment is coming everyone will stand before god so second peter three is scary to a lot of people and it should be and to phil's point when he read first one verse one of chapter three it said this is This is now my second letter to you, and I've written both of them as reminders to stimulate you to wholesome thinking. And so he then says, I want you to recall the words spoken in the past by the holy people and the command given by our Lord and Savior through your apostles. And so then he goes on to talk about these scoffers, who he refers to his false teachers in the previous verse. These were the ones, you know, returning to the vomit or the propaganda that they were putting out there,

that basically there's no consequences for how you live. There's no judgment. There's not going to be a second coming. And so he gets into the argument. His first argument is they'll say in verse three, these scoffers will come and say, well, where is this coming, he promised? Because if he doesn't come, what? then we're not judged. You're good. You're good.

Yeah, it's just over. It's just like... But you happen to be dead. Speaking of a doll, it's like Rover, it's just over when you die. There's no consequences. So then it says, you know, they make this argument. Ever since our fathers died in verse four of second period of three, everything just goes on as it has since the beginning of creation.

And which I really think is the number one argument for not believing in God or judgment or heaven or hell. They're like, it's just, life just goes on for thousands of years and some people believe in millions. So verse five, here's the second argument they use because it says they deliberately forget. So it's one thing to say, where's the coming? But then the second thing is people deliberately forget, which is on purpose, that long ago, by God, where the heavens existed and the earth was formed out of water by water by these waters also the world of that time was deluge and destroyed so we remember you know no he he he is brought up Noah and what happened there a couple times is the third time yeah including the first letter

which is interesting so watch verse seven now then all of a sudden it starts getting downright dangerous by the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire being kept for the day of judgment which is why i was when you were preaching verse peter four that's why i wanted to read that because it's like there's the judgment day coming we will stand before god and then he right after that says the end of all things is near and look while everybody's arguing about what now what what what exactly does that mean to me it's almost like the same argument that scoffers are using when they say, well, when exactly is? I mean, everything's just going along. That's what people do. Look, even now to this day, you have people

predicting when Jesus is going to come back. I know they're all wrong. You have ads on television. What a good time, great time to be alive. Yeah. Well, at some point, we're going to stand before God. And it in the end of verse 7 says, being kept for the death of judgment and the destruction of ungodly men, which is, I mean, I told you, this is a scary, frightening verse, and it should be. Now, then he says, but do not forget this, and we'll talk about this in detail as we move forward. Don't forget this one thing. With the Lord, a day is like a thousand years and a thousand years are like a day. and before I read the next verse I will say this is one of the most misused verses in the entire Bible because I've heard this used in so many different realms but we'll talk about what we think his point was then in verse 9 says the Lord is not slow in keeping his promise as some understand slowness I think this is hilarious and we'll talk about it because it's like God's eternal

So, and I think that's the point he's making here with the Lord a day is like a thousand years, a thousand years. Well, he's an eternal being. So you're not, you're not going to be able to use your time scale for him. Right. Ever. Now, what's so confusing about this is the next phrase, because then it says, he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repent.

The reason I bring this up, and then I get y'all's comments, is the same reason I brought up Paul when he said that God had showed his unlimited patience in him since he was the worst cent. Well, when you look up the definition of patience, what is it? Patience is not grumbling or having a bad attitude during a delay. or I mean that's when I looked it up that's basically it so it's like well wait a minute god's not waiting around twiddling his thumbs because he's eternal but he does have a character quality that is unlimited patient it's he has an eternal patience with us which is why it's been what how many years since Noah and the flood. And so that was their argument.

Oh, Jesus is not coming back. And there's like, so he wasn't making a mathematical argument. He was making a God character argument. There is a judgment. He is just. People are going to stand before God because he's just. But he's also making an argument of his love for people. Because he's like, he's not slow.

He's just wanting people. to come to repentance. I mean, it's a pretty deep section and quite scary. Then it says the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar. The elements will be destroyed by fire and the earth and everything in it will be burned up. Scary description. Well, that's why I said.

Now, if you go back to the beginning, because this is going to take us a couple of podcasts to go through this. When he said this, I wrote these things. in verse one to stimulate wholesome thinking. I mean, I've got a theory on this, and I'd like to get y'all's take. You know, somebody wrote, you know, hell is locked from the inside. And the point being,

nobody's going to go there except by their own will and choice. I mean, we just read that God is patient, and he doesn't want anyone to perish. so if someone ends up there well they did it by their own cheesy but if you told someone okay hell is real and you're headed there

well if they didn't make a change in their life they're not in my opinion they don't believe it's real they've been hoodwinked either by their own selfish desires or some of these scoffers because if you knew hell was real. I mean, not even considering the gospel. God chose the gospel to save people what he did

through Jesus, you know, who Jesus is. But just take that out. If you knew hell was real and you knew that by your life and heart, you were headed there, well, you would do something different. So you have to, that's why he said wholesome thinking. There has to be something in your mind that sends you down a path of saying, well, wait a minute here. I've got to consider my options here because if hell is real, you're not going to want to go. No rational thinking person would wind up there. Which is why I think Peter used the examples back in chapter two on the N-I-N-time judgment before he gets to the end-time judgment of description.

I thought it was a great point. Yeah, to say when he talked about Sodom and Gomorrah, and the flood to say same thing. People had a decision then. Do I believe that he's going to rain down in the Sodom and Gimor's case, fire and destroy these cities? They didn't believe, including lots on family, his wife, and what happened? They were destroying. And he said, don't look back.

Don't look back. Guess what? He's a man of his word. He's a God of his word. And the same with the flood. They had 100 years to believe or not believe. I mean, that when it says you can, you know, we rely all this on God's promises, what he says is the truth. Jesus is the truth embodied in a human being.

When he said, don't look back, well, she looked back, guess what? Was that God's fault or her fault? Right. She should have trusted, he's a God of justice. He gives us the word. Don't look back. She looked back. Bam.

That's right. Would you like to comment, welcome back, Zach. I tell you what. I know it was great. I mean, I just caught the tail end of it. So I don't, I mean, I read, I read through 2nd Peter 3, 1 through 10. And we compared that to Al's sermon in 1 Peter 4. So we're reviewing this for our audience as well, that we will stand before God and give an account.

So we made this point that he started this whole chapter off with, he wanted to stimulate you to wholesome thinking. So when you think about the crowd you were speaking with, Al, most of those people, I'm talking about in the reckless room, as we called it. Well, you think about, you know, their view of heaven and hell and mindset. When you think about the addictions out there and all these sins that we just read in 1st Peter 4 that are, you know,

we call them the big sins of the most captivating, well, you think about what happens to a person's mind to allow that to happen. You think about being addicted to drugs or just out living these immoral lifestyles. You basically disintegrate just because of the more you do this kind of like the drug the more you do it, the less it is keeping your needs met. And so the more you do and it just becomes overwhelmed and you literally disintegrate. And now these days, it'll just kill you. I mean, the drug, which is the nature of all sin, really, right?

I mean, it's a- Exactly. But I was just giving you the sped-up version of it because you see it in drug. It's the nature of all sin. And then what else does it do? It isolates you because then you have to begin to lie because you can't keep a job, you know, you can't, all your relationships, you start alienate yourself. because they're saying, hey, what are you doing? You don't want to hear it.

When Matthew recorded Peter's unrecognized, you know, I don't even know who Jesus is. He said, he began to call down curses on himself. This is Peter who wrote what you said about falling away. But the last little section it says, last word there in Matthew 26, when Matthew recorded what Peter was doing by rejecting Jesus. Peter went outside and he wept bitterly. He'd come all this way.

He had seen the miracles. He reached out to people. He'd done a great job you would thank for the kingdom. But when Matthew went about the time he received the keys to the kingdom, he was not in good shape. He wept bitterly. Well, what I was going to say is I think in your mind, you have a way to rationalize.

So even like to go back to the point, your life is disintegrating because of sin. You're now isolated, lonely, the people who love you the most. I mean, you especially see this with teenagers. They alienate the best people, their parents, their Christian friends, because it's lifestyle. Well, then you just, you're living in denies.

You don't you think it's somebody else's problem you know it's why are you blaming God for this and so in your mind you got it rationalized where it's just not there's no consequences for this and I think that's what his point was he was trying to jar them saying you got these people running around saying there's no God he's not coming back he had been there doesn't matter how you live there's no consequences It's all... Peter had his moment with the very thing he's writing about. Yeah. So here's Peter almost at his death. Yeah. He's realizing the end of all things is near. I'm going to stand before the Almighty God,

and he's more focused on the arrival that we made the point in first, I mean, second Peter won. Yep. And looking forward to it. Because even in this section, he's going to get to it when he gets to verse 11 he's like since everything will be destroyed in this way what kind of people ought you to be you want to live holy and godly lives and then it says as you look forward to the day of god and speed it's coming which is something you know like speed it's coming what does that mean right you're excited about

it you're this is not something you're terrified so i think in this is a beautiful picture of of what god expect from us and how we should respond, you know, to his love and grace. And it's a positive thing. He doesn't want anyone to perish. But the facts are you can't read this without talking about judgment, heaven, and hell. It's all real and it's all going to happen. The Apostle Paul recorded it. He's saying that any day, today is the day of salvation.

I mean, be ready. Day by day, look at it just like Peter's looking at it there. Yeah. It's going to end. Better be on the right side this thing. Well, I do like how he says it's the Lord's day, the day of the Lord. And it actually says the day of God in the second time. That's only used twice in verse 312.

As you look forward to the day of God and speed that's coming, I thought that was interesting. But it's the Lord's day. You know, when you think about it being your day, we usually think of somebody's birthday. You know, we all get on presents, you know. And it's their day. it changes kind of how we operate around them that day. And trust me, on the Lord's day, you can magnify that about 10 million times, and it will completely change everyone's view of the Lord from that day forward.

No, you're exactly right. And this has been looked to and talked about a lot, which we'll get into when we get to the next podcast, because the Day of the Lord is mentioned in several different contexts. And you're right, Jay's. I think the reason Peter focuses in on it so much is that Jesus talked about it so much. Oh, they did. I mean, look it up, do the research.

Most people, they don't like this part of faith in God. Most people I know. We want to talk about the love and grace, which that is the motivating factor for, you know, while we respond to Jesus. But the fact is, this can be. encouraging and especially bring you some peace of knowing that you know I'm taking this serious and I need to guard my mind and heart and see what I'm you know the kind of knowledge that I'm putting into my head because if you're walking around acting like there's no consequences to your life well you're just incomplete denial that's why Peter when he treats the gospel to him in at

Acts chapter two there you know called leading into Acts chapter two he he pleaded with him he warned them and pleaded with them. And some of the ones, about 3,000 took him up on it. But for a while, they looked like he wasn't going to be able to move them at all. But you just think, too, if you really love somebody and they were headed to,

you know, this dark, eternal consequence, well, why wouldn't you bring it up? And say, hey, don't go. Don't go. All right, we're out of time. So if you want to follow us over to overtime, BlasetV.com slash Unashamed if you want to follow us over to our overtime.

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