Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 658 | Jase Has a Prankster or a Poltergeist & the Many Layers of God’s Light

Episode Date: April 2, 2023

Creepy occurrences at Jase’s home have him rattled enough to ask for help! The guys continue the I AM: More Than a Metaphor series. Jase examines Jesus’ words “I am the light of the world” and elaborates on the controversy surrounding the creation of light and its place in the cosmos. Phil testifies to the importance of light from his days as a commercial fisherman and hunter. The guys compare the sun to light itself and how Jesus is the source of both light and life.  In this episode: John 8, verse 12; Genesis 1, verses 1-2; Exodus 12, verses 21-22 "The Blind" hits theaters this fall. Get updates, trailers, behind-the-scenes moments, and special opportunities here: https://theblindmovie.com — Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? So welcome back to the unashamed podcast. I'm coming from the Southern Lair. Zach is MIA, as always. He's probably doing a movie mogul business, but he stays busy. Jason, Dad, coming from the regular layer. And we're doing a series on the I-Am statements from the Book of Job, which we kind of just got into an overview on the last podcast. So Jay's what you got for us today. Well, look, I thought about these for you that listened to the first installment of this. You know, he made seven metaphor statements or metaphorical statements about I am in fill in the blank.

So he said, now, some of the statements had more than one aspect. So off the top of my head, the one we want to talk about today is I am the light of the world. But he also said, I am the door. Yeah. Or the gate. Or the gate. Yeah. I am the gate.

That's in, where is that, John 10. John 10. He said, I'm the bread. of life. John 6. Okay. He said, I am the shepherd.

I'm the good shepherd. Yeah, that's also in John 10. All right. So that's four of them. I'm thinking off the top of my head. I am the true vine. Or.

Yep. Yeah. Do they say I am the tree or I'm the tree vine? I think it's true vine. I've seen both. John 15. And he said, I'm the way,

the truth. and the life. That's probably the most famous. That's in John 14. That was in a discussion slash argument with young Thomas. Because he was like, well, how do we know the way? You know, Jesus was saying, you know, I'm going to go prepare a place for you. The verse is probably read at more funerals than any other verse in the Bible.

But the whole point was that. Because they're like, well, how do we know? What's weird is people in the funerals preach it like, talking about the whole point was he was like I'm the way I'm the way the truth and the life yeah we've talked about that on the past podcast that Texas talked much more about place when it's actually much more about person and so then he said uh I am the resurrection in the life is that the seven did I get all seven that's this this the last one yeah John I'm not real sure I mean like the last two that I just said I'm not sure when he said I'm the resurrection

I mean, are we calling that a metaphor? I mean, he is the resurrection. It's a metaphor for what? A metaphor, he's, that's where I had trouble with this. That's why I said, well, there should be two more. And you say, because I basically said there's nine I am statements. We did. Well, technically, technically it is a metaphor of the I am the resurrection,

but it is more than a metaphor because who else could say? that. Well, you took the bait. Because really what I was going to say is we're saying metaphor. But these statements, actually, after I studied just the one eye and the light of the world, I realized there's more into these statements than what it appears. Yeah. Now, I wanted to do a little illustration before I tell you something funny going on.

Life changes. It's full of ups and downs. And, you know, if you want to just, you want something to change, especially in Louisiana when it comes to weather, just give it a second. And so we made this big thing about Jesus being the same yesterday, today, and forever, thus the statement I am. And we read where this all got started, where Moses in Exodus 3 said, well, what name, he's having a conversation with God,

and there's a bush that's burning, but it won't burn up. And he said, what name should I reference? And he introduced, God did the I am. Tell them I am has sent you. And so here's Jesus in the flesh now, God in human form. And he seems to, I mean, nine times in the book of John, he referred himself as I am. And he, in John 18 that we studied last time,

I mean, that's just what they said, we're looking for Jesus of Nazareth. He said, I am. And we talked about, they, the translators put in the parenthetical he, because they were trying to make the conversation make sense. What Jesus said didn't make sense. He said, I am. And they're like, do what? I am.

That's who he is. That's his name. One of the life's mysteries that I experienced, because you never know what's going to happen in life. So I wake up, this is a few days ago, I wake up. and I hear a sound that I couldn't figure out. People were talking. And it woke up early. It was still dark.

And so I started walking through the house trying to figure out where are these people? Because I didn't know anybody was there. It was just missing in the house. And I can't find the source, but I still hear the talking. So I see a light flickering outside. and so when I opened the door to my back patio, I realized that I have a TV that's outside. It's on the patio.

You've been to my house there's a TV. I got it right above the fireplace. So when we have a gathering, you can sit outside and watch TV, which is kind of cool. Well, the TV's on, but there's a cover, the TV's, in a case, a wooden box, but I can barely see a flicker of light.

So I lifted up the cake with the TV's on. And I thought, this 6 o'clock in the morning, who turned this TV on? So I thought, you know, you know how your mind works. Somebody's playing a prank on me. They came to my house in the middle of the night outside and turned my TV on as a joke. So I told Missy, I was like, did you turn this TV on out there? And she's like, that TV's not on because now it's daylight by the time she got up. I said, oh, it's on.

So she walked out there and she's like, well, why didn't you turn it off? And I said, well, I thought maybe, you know, I was trying to investigate. I was like, CSI. I didn't want to touch anything, you know, until I figured out he turned his TV on. And so she turned the TV off. So I go about the day. I don't even think about it. I was like, you know, I'm not going to worry about it.

Well, the next time I came in the house, I hear a sound. I look out there because now I'm thinking sounds like TV's back on. And guess what? It's back on. So I call Missy. She's not there. I said, did you turn that TV back on? She said, nope.

I said, what's back on? Well, this happened for a couple more days. You turn it off, comes back on. So I thought somebody was playing a prank. So we figured out, I said, well, that TV came on the day Missy had the back porch spray, because, you know, pollen's real bad and all this, and we had been out of town on the road. So she had hired somebody to spray off all the pollen with a power washer. So she, I said, call him up, ask him if he did anything around that TV.

you know well the guy said well I did take your remote and put it in a drawer because we had problems finding the remote we had to turn it off just by the TV you know so I thought something happened when he took that remote and put it in that you know the TV came on so uh I said all this to say I still to this day haven't figured out why that TV's coming on I don't no. And you say, well, is it on right now? Yep. What I did is I just turned the volume all the way down.

So now it doesn't disturb me. Are y'all going to help me understand that? I'm putting this out here because I have no... I've got one theory. What's that? It was from the movie Polter Guy. Did you ever see the movie Polter Guys? No.

So Poulter guys... The TV kept coming on in the middle of the night, and the little girl kept being drawn to it. And it turns out they were buried. I mean, they built a house on top of an old Indian burial ground. And so they were a bunch of ghosts. They were living underneath their house. And they were turning the TV on, and they finally drew in the little girl through the TV. So they had to go in and get her out.

And that was the point of the whole movie. So maybe your house is on an Indian burial ground and the ghost are turning your TV on trying to signal you for some reason. If you're wondering why I'm bringing this up, I thought maybe somebody out in Unashamed Nation would know why that's happening and what I should do. So that's number one. Number two is we studied, you know, we study as a group individually for, you know, what we're going to say. And when we decided to do this I am series, the first one that I started researching was I am the light of the world. Where's that, John 5? Actually, it's John 8, 12.

John 8, 12. I was way off. And then it's also a 9-5. It's mentioned twice. Okay. So Jesus in 812, and I'll connect the dots with what's going on with the TV. John 812 says, when Jesus spoke again to the people, he said, I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.

And I just want to say, you know, when we studied John, we pointed out that there's three Ls that are pretty well the essential nature of what Jesus represented, which I believe are the essential Godlike qualities, which are light, life, and love. And you see that in the book of John. I mean, if you just think about those three things as you go through the book of John, it's really helpful. So I just started researching light. And to get back to the TV, there's a guy that works. He's a computer. he's a he's a what you call him feel you know the his eyes are real close together and uh he's he's a tech geek he's way beyond me real pale yeah because they don't get out in the sun they're constantly dealing with wires and computers and we converted a guy named we call him jersey joe

he uh got all his after we he saw the podcast he gathered up his wife and children and they all came to Louisiana, contacted me. We went through the... Not that we're promoting this on a regular basis. We just went through the gospel with him, baptize him, and we found out he has a computer, I call him computer buffs. Computer buff, all right, that's what we're going on.

So I call my computer buff. What I've never read, what I've never turned on, a box like that or contraption. Yeah. I've never fooled with that. You've turned on a TV. Now, if your TV was coming on every couple hours with nobody pushing the on or off button, that would concern you, am I right?

That's walking there with a weapon. Are you recommending that I just shoot the TV? I'm just saying, check it out with a weapon. Well, I called my... Banks have never happened around there. If the TV's left on, Ms. Kay may be able to run a chair, you know. I called my tech guy. I was going to ask him about the TV.

But an hour into the conversation, I completely forgot the reason that I called him, which was why is my TV coming on? Because he said, well, what y'all, he listens to the podcast. He said, what are y'all studying? And I started going down, what? I had been studying about light based on Jesus saying, I am the light of the world. And because I stumbled upon something fairly quickly. And it was a lot like me stumbling upon this supposed controversy for, you know,

the chosen show, say it when Jesus said, I am the law of Moses, that's out there that we address. but this controversy because you know light is interesting and one of the things that kept coming up just as I was studying is that there's an attack on Christianity and I would say probably the most is written about this is because when you go back to Genesis 1-1 it says I mean we're we're in the beginning I'll just read the first two verses of the Bible. In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was formless and empty. Darkness was over the surface of the deep. And the spirit of God was hovering over the waters. I love that. And God said, let there be light. And there was light. So Al, to use the, if we're going to use the metaphor reference, which we're saying these things are more than a metaphor. But we're going back to where light came from. Now, the controversy that I wasn't even aware of, I can't believe

I didn't know this, but, well, he said let there be light, and there was light, and he saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from darkness. I've used this as an illustration before saying that that's how the earth got started, and guess what? When the earth ends in a spiritual sense, God will separate the light from the darkness. which I think is interesting. It is. So you say, well, how could this be controversial? Because verse 5 of Genesis 1 says,

God called the light day and the darkness called night. They're like, well, everybody should be getting along here. The problem is this was evening and there was morning the first day. The problem comes along is that he didn't create the sun, the moon or the stars until day four. and you can read that. So the people who don't believe, they're like, well, how you got light without the sun?

You see? They're like, this whole thing's false. You're following a Bible that's not a problem. You can't have light without the sun. That won't worry. And so if I go to the end of the argument, because I wanted to ask my text, Buck who's also a brain when it comes to the Bible.

He's like a human concord. You just ask him. So before I got to the TV problem, I asked him, I said, hey, let me ask you something. Why did, or how does this work that God said, let there be light, then created the sun four days later? One hour later, I forgot the reason I called. You see what I mean? It's like I pushed a button. And one hour later, after hearing light discussed in every conceivable, because this guy's a brain, you know.

And it was a fantastic conversation. And I would like to share some of that. And I think along the way, we will answer that dilemma. And but I do the, I drop the ball on asking about the TV because I never asked him. And I'm sure he would have, you know, he would have given an answer. So before we get into that and what that represents, because I was going to say this, Al, and get y'all's take on it, when you think about what light does, and by the way, I don't want you to panic about, well, where's the, how could there be light without the sun? If the sun right now burned up, I mean, immediately just are exploded, your flashlight would still work. Right?

Yep. So evidently, there can be light without the sun. But it is a light giver and a heat giver. So we'll get to that later. But what I was going to say is when you think about light, I came up with a few things just in my research. So light is a source of life because if you were in complete darkness at all times, you probably wouldn't live long for a variety of reasons.

Would you agree with that? I would agree with that. Correct. It is a source of truth. Now, this one's a little tricky. You said, what does that got to do? Because light actually helps you make decisions on what is true. Let me just give you illustration.

If you didn't have any light and you went and got in your car, so your headlights wouldn't work. If you had no light, well, you wouldn't live long because you wouldn't know if a tree had crossed the road, you wouldn't know where a car was coming, you wouldn't be able to know what was true in your environment because you couldn't see it. You know, you'd just walk off a cliff. Why? Because you can't see.

So you can't determine what is true. and therefore you're, will you all agree with that? Or is that too? A lot of wrecks. A lot of wrecks. A lot of wrecks. It's also a source of joy.

And that's this proven fact. If you, you know, go to a place, even on the North Pole and South Pole where there's not a lot of light, it's, you know, it's depressing. You would become depressed with no light. It brings joy. Would you agree with that? The highest depression rate, the highest depression rates in the world. world are the places with the most darkness. No doubt about it.

But it's also, even though so it's... Human race is very dependent on light. Yeah. So it's a source of life, source of truth, source of joy. But even though there's true, too much of it can kill you. It can blind you and it can kill you. And I did the research on that. You exposed to too much light, so it's dangerous.

and so you probably see where I'm going with this. When Jesus said, so when Jesus said, I am the light of the world, you could apply those four principles that I just said that light represents, and you know, it may have more. Well, he's the source of life. Well, that makes sense because he's, I am, he's the same yesterday, today, and forever. He is the resurrection and the life. You know, he's the source of life.

you can go to the verse there's nothing that has been made that has been made was made without him he's the source of life there's no doubt uh he's source of truth you know john one again you know the law brought uh the law brought what's john one say uh shame and death guilt and sin Jesus he's full of grace and truth uh it's source of joy I mean, if you know where he came from, you know where you're going, you're happy. But he's also a source of danger because outside of the light, what do you have? I mean, how you view Jesus is literally a matter of life and death.

It's dangerous. So that was what I was going to bring out about the importance. Am I missing anything here? Well, yeah, you have light simply put so that you can see. Without it, you can't see. Can't see without light. Yeah, that's true. In other words, it takes away you're having...

I think you'd say that. It's a source of sight. Yeah, it's a source of sight. Because even though you could see, if you didn't have light, you couldn't see. And it makes things that when they... Which is another principle you could apply to Jesus. It's dark. When the whole place is dark, there's no way to see what it is that you, what kind of environment you're in.

I mean, you have to see your environment. You wouldn't know. No, I think that's right. But you mentioned that earlier about you would die. I mean, it's very dangerous. Oh, it's dangerous. Because you're, in a sense, blind to your surroundings. Yeah.

That's why he said, hey, shine your light over here. shine you light it look as commercial fishermen you remember that the light was very important we'd get started for daylight that's correct and you you just it was mandatory it was right up there with boat paddle

yeah got to have a light even in the duck hunting world today got to have it because you wind up I mean you remember when we had fog that morning that we went duck I mean like severe fog the river was up it was violent circumstance oh yeah even though we

had lights the fog had come in there much harder and when we left the house to go duck hunting and the water was way up but you didn't you were very dependent on a small little flashlight where you could see yeah so we got lost even with that we got turned around well you i actually was going the opposite direction down the river that's right thinking i was headed north and i was headed do south found the bank and was just following the bank but i was headed due south the way you could tell it you said i finally looked at the river and saw the flow of it yeah that way i knew i was either south or north of where we started from like an idiot you know what i said i said something there's a phenomenon going on and everybody said what is it i said the current is flowing in the opposite direction

Instead of concluding, you're headed enough. Instead of me concluding I was going in the wrong direction, I said there's a phenomenon, a supernatural occurrence in the river. But I think that's what people do with Jesus also, is that you're blinded and you can't see it, and you can be going in the exact wrong direction. I haven't looked at them all throughout the Bible, but there is a whole lot.

about seeing. Oh, well, you remember when we told Nicodemus? Or did you, if you, without light, when the miracle was performed, how'd you see it? Exactly. So I wanted to bring this up, and I think you'll find this fascinating. So light travels 186,000 miles per second. Yep. Well, did you know that nothing is faster?

Nothing is faster than light. I didn't know that. Speed of light. Yeah, I thought there might be some other speed by which we know. That is the fastest there is, is light. So there's nothing faster. So when I did a little internet search on that, now this is not a believer who wrote this.

I just wanted to read it to you. It says it's impossible to accelerate any, material object up to the speed of light because it would take an infinite amount of energy to do so. Well, no wonder, Jesus said, I'm the light of the world. It's beginning to make sense. The more I got into this, the more I said, oh, well, that was quite a statement. You know, I am the light of the world. I mean, and so what I also found fascinating is that light has no, it has zero matter.

Zero. Now, when you read what the world has to say about that, they call them photons. When they give you the definition of light, now a photon, they just made that word up because they, you have to say something. I think Jesus for saying what? I'm going to fix it back to the, I said earlier, so that you could see. Well, right. So here's what I found interesting. And look, these are the latest technology.

And I'm not picking on the science world. We need the scientific world. And science can be very helpful. But don't ever doubt it. Which, by the way, Jay's, let me interject. You mentioned in the last podcast, or no, I think it was an overtime. You said about the, you mentioned, I think the way you put it was the light. phasers or the torpedoes.

Yeah, we did that in overtime. Yes, what they call them on Star Trek, photon torpedoes. Yeah, so the photons, and we made a point that in John 18, when he said I am, when he said that, he shot the Roman Legion, the Roman, what's the word among them for, detachment, and those carrying the weapons who came to arrest Jesus, Jesus shot them by declaring his name, I am, with some kind of energy wave.

Because when he said that, it says they all fell back and down. The whole crowd. It just blew, it was like a stunt you see on a movie. That's where I was making that illustration, if you didn't hear the overtime. he literally what Star Trek and what, you know, Dr. Dred had a, or not Dr.

Jail, what was he? Judge Dredd. I think he's a, Dr. Dredd's a rapper. He's a rapper. Yeah, Judge Dred, you know, we go and they'd shoot these. He just, he makes people fall down with bad lyrics, yeah. But you got to wrap your head around this. Jesus, and he, Jesus didn't have a phaser in his hand.

Because he is like. He is energy. He is the law of Moses. But he is. And so therefore, he just showed a demonstration of that. And he did it so that none of those with him would be lost, which is later on what John 18 said, because he was fulfilling prophecy because he came to fulfill the law and the prophets.

And he did. And so, but he displayed that. Well, that put his attackers on the defensive, because they thought he had. has some sort of weapon or some that's unseen. It's an invisible power surge that literally put all the soldiers on the ground. I mean, this is the person we're following. So I think Jesus had spiritual ramifications for saying I'm the light of the world. Because by the way, he also said that we're the light of the world, you know, in him.

That's where we've been elevated. But when you research why he said that in the metaphor used, because I'm of the, I'm with C.S. Lewis on this, everything that was created, I believe, became a metaphor so that we could relate to God. And so he said, let there be light. So we understand how one day we could see and understand the concept of darkness. How would you understand darkness and the concept if you didn't have light? Because really, when you think about what darkness is, what is darkness. What's the definition of darkness? It's where there's no light.

Can't see. Yeah. You see what I mean? But you wouldn't understand it if you didn't see it. Darkness is an absence of light. That's right. Yeah, an absence of light. So, and you've got to remember this. In Exodus 13, because we used Exodus 3 in the last, in the IAM overview of in the burning bush, which by the way, what is light? It is where energy or fire, it is the movement of that through, and when I say movement, the unseen movement of this energy.

Because that's how science defines light. They say it's photons, no matter, carrying energy. And so here's what I found fascinating before I read the Exodus 13. is that when I looked at the science involved of it, they have recently concluded that light was before the stars. The light is older than the star. They say when we look at the cosmos, we keep seeing this light, the remnants of light.

Now, they're just looking at a telescope saying, hmm, hmm, hmm. Well, it sounds like to me then, to go back to our argument that science has concluded something that God put in the first five verses of Genesis in that there was light without the sun, moon, and stars. And by the way, if you just do a quick reference of that, you know, James 117, 1, Timothy 6 talks about God as the father of the heavenly lights. You know, when you think about the angels, every time there's, there on the scene.

What do you see? Light. Remember at the resurrection? He looked like lightning. There's a verse in Revelation 181 that says when, and I know it's picturesque writing, but it says when an angel descended, it gave light to the earth. So I wanted to read this Exodus 13 in verse 21 and 22. It says, by day, the Lord went ahead of them in a pillar.

of cloud to guide them in their way and by night in a pillar of fire to give them light so that they could travel by day and night neither the pillar of cloud by day nor the pillar of fire by night left its place in front of the people which is you remember when god led the Israelites and they had this cloud and now you see that it was it was a source you know of light yeah in john chapter 12 after Jesus had done all these miraculous signs in their presence, they still would not believe in him. This was to fulfill the word of Isaiah, the Prophet Lord, who has believed our message to whom is the arm of the Lord been revealed.

For this reason, they could not believe, because as Isaiah said elsewhere, he, the evil one, has blinded their eyes and deadened their hearts so they can neither see with their eyes, which is the problem with Jesus. He's talking to him and they can't see what he is, nor understand with their hearts.

They can neither see with their eyes, nor understand with their hearts, nor turn, and I will heal them. If you can't see something, Jase, you can't believe it. You know, seeing is believing. Yeah. But when these are blind, quite a bit about blind, by the way, blindness.

Well, to your point, Phil, you remember in Acts 9? I think it's X-9. Hebrew first, if you can't see without the light, you're blind, and you moping around, both of you fall into a hole. The blind man can't lead the blind man. Somebody got to be able to see. Well, let me read you this, Phil. You remember Saul slash Paul?

Let me make sure this is. Yeah. So in Acts 9 3, as he neared Damascus, and that's the Saul, he's killing Christians. Yeah. And he's thinking he's right. Yep. And he nears Damascus on his journey. Now, listen to this terminology.

Suddenly a light from heaven flashed around him. Well, where'd that come from? It was more than the sun. Oh yeah. More than the sun, because you're seeing where I'm going with this. The sun was created. And you said, well, what are we going to do when it burns up, you know? Well, for us who are believers, I don't think that's going to be a problem, do you?

I mean, God is the father of the heavenly lights. But anyway, suddenly a light from heaven flashed around him, and to your point, He fell to the ground and heard a voice saying, Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me? Who are you, Lord? Well, what happened to Saul? It blinded him. And three days.

So then he was led. So this verse 8, Saul got up from the ground, but when he opened his eyes, he could see nothing. So they led him by the hand into Damascus. For three days he was blinded. not eat or drink anything. And then he, you know, has a vision. He eventually surrenders, you know, to Christ.

God does a miracle in that he received his sight. But I think you're right. It comes back to when Jesus said, I am the light of the world, the ramifications of that statement, just like I laid out, the source of life, truth, joy, and even danger. We just saw it. It blinded it's all in a physical way. The same thing you described, I thought about Luke 2 whenever the announcement of Jesus is coming. Same thing.

The angels appeared to the shepherds. And guess what there was? A bright light in the glory of God shone around them. Same thing. Every time you see one of these moments, you see this light that shines. And it's something supernatural that's happening. So it's kind of what you're describing that you see throughout history. And it usually is something around Jesus.

or something around announcement or something around the glory or the power of God. And you see it, Old Testament and New Testament. And the whole thing is seeing through believing. That's, that's, that's, that's, you don't believe until your eyes are opened. It's said throughout the Bible. You have to open your eyes. God opened their eyes. Well, I found it, you could see.

I found it fascinating that in the secular world, they have completed now, because light is really, boy, it is really baffled them. And so they said, well, because I was trying to just zero in on where did it come from. And so I finally found it and they mostly agree. Now these are people who don't believe in God. They said, well, 10 seconds after the Big Bang, that is the origin of light. 10 seconds. Which is unbelievable when you think about the ramifications of this.

They went down scientifically and said, you know, it just goes all the way back to the beginning. And that's why I just love the fact that when you read something in the Bible and you think the very argument that they were using against Christians, fast forwarded through hundreds of years, they finally came to the same conclusion. God created light for us to see. He created the sun later. But you said, well, how could he do that? Because he is light. He's bigger than what you have in your mind.

Oh, well, we got to have the sun. Look, you take the sun away. Your flashlight will work, but the ramifications have taken the sun. son away, we'll cause you death. We needed that sun in day four because if you don't have the sun, you're not going to have any crops eventually. You're actually going to lose the capacity for our water to be in liquid form, and we'll all die. But that's nothing that we didn't know anyway. I mean, we're going to die whether we have the sun or not, which is a, you know, we'll get to Jesus is also life. So I think it was a fascinating study.

I wanted to bring this up, Al. So I read an article. This is not a Christian article, so I'm warning you. But I thought it's fascinating. The reason I read it is because it was titled Light as a Cosmic Time Machine. I mean, they got my attention. And I thought, oh, boy, I bet this is good. But actually it was good.

And the reason they said that, because I thought, what are you believing in time machines now? And because it fit perfectly with the foundation that we built this, where Jesus got this statement, I am, because he's the same yesterday, today, and forever, even though he took on a different form by becoming a human. But he's referencing seeing Satan fall like lightning from heaven in Luke 10. How could he be claiming that? How could he be claiming before Abraham was, I am? How could he be claiming that he wrote the law of Moses?

I mean, well, he did. He just became a human so that we could see him, to your point. But here was their point. The point was it was all about how light travels. So it is a time machine because when, so if you walk outside right now, if it's clear where you're at and you look at the sun, you say, yeah, I'm looking at the sun right now. No, you're not.

Right now you're looking at how the sun was eight and a half minutes. minutes ago because it took that long for that light to travel. So it is a time machine per se. They're saying the more you look, and they had the whole categories of how long it's taking the light. That's why we started discovering more after a while once we got our telescopes, because if you live long enough through generations, we're actually just now being able to see things

because the longer we're here, the more we can see the reflection of the light, there's traveling. That's why you look at these new telescopes that they, you know, first it was the Hubble. Now it's the James Webb, which is the newer one, which is like a hundred times more powerful. So they're looking out across the expanse of the universe

and these, they're so powerful. we're actually seeing things, but by the time we're seeing them, so much time has passed because of time travel, of the light, that, you know, we're watching things formed that formed a long time ago. I mean, in other words, it's mind bending to try to even imagine it because of this idea of the speed of light, which is Jason's Michigan. So, again, it's a little hard to wrap your mind around, but you got to understand that Jesus is the light of the world. So as long as I understand, he, him, then I don't have to worry too much about this idea about time. Well, that's why I read that definition. When I realized that nothing is faster, it's impossible to, and I want to read this again, because I know it's really deep to wrap your head around,

it's impossible to accelerate any material object up to the speed of light, because it would take an infinite amount of energy to do so. Yes, Jesus is truly the light of the world. It's the light. Not only of the world, he's just the light. I mean, the world almost kind of cheapens it. I wanted to read this. This is 2nd Corinthians.

Because, you know, a lot of these analogies I think I had missed because I didn't realize the gravity of his statement. But when it says 2nd Corinthians, 4 verse 5 for we do not preach ourselves which goes back to this fundamental principle that we went over in the first installment of this about the i.m which is what makes jesus different than any other religious leader is he or religious movement is he saying there is a god and you're looking at him i'm i'm god in human form and the natural conclusion that you're or the spiritual conclusion that you're or the spiritual conclusion that you're going to,

the implication of that truth is that you find a God that's looking for you. That's why he came to this earth. All other religions are saying, here's how you, here's how you find God, here's how you make it. If you do this, you'll make it. If you do these seven things or three things or 14 things, what you realize, God is different. You come to the conclusion that, oh, not only is He God,

but he's in pursuit of me. He's like, I'm the way to this. Come on, that's what he was telling Thomas, you know, in John 14. So we don't preach ourselves because who am I to go back to the Exodus 3 reference of Moses? Moses had the right concluded. We should all be saying, who am I? We preach Jesus Christ as Lord. And not just Savior as Lord.

He is the ruler, controller, sustainer, only of my life, but of everything. It all revolves around him. And ourselves as your servants, for Jesus' sake. And watch what he says in verse six. For God, who said, let light shine out of darkness. No, that's a statement that I had underestimated. So to get back to the controversy about, well, he made the sun four days later. God made light out of darkness. go try that you would have to be light to be able to do that so i don't know why people are getting so bent out of shape about that he provided some sort of light for three days before we had the sun because look he's also going to make a man from dust well if you know the arguments are

going to they should get length why why are you putting all your eggs in this back Bad basket. Made his light shine in our hearts to give us the light of the knowledge of the glory of God and the face of Christ. Yeah, I was good. Well, then he's going to make a spiritual trait. What a statement. But what I'm saying is he made a physical declaration that he let light shine out of darkness, because that's a reference to Genesis 1-3.

You see that? Oh, yeah. But then he made his light shine in our hearts to give us the lock. I mean, how many times does he sit light in here of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Christ? So I didn't just try to make the physical illustration. I actually read this first. You see what I mean? And it led me to Genesis 1.

It led me to the controversy that I read on the internet. Oh, the Bible's in error. They've got light before the sun. Well, now the even unbelieving scientists, they have light before the sun. They said, there's something out there that produced light, and we just can't put our finger on it. So I've got a, I've got a simple theory about that too. But since we're out of time, because we spend our podcast on this fantastic, I am the light of the world, I have to give my simple theory in the overtime.

There's my tease for if you want to follow us over on Genesis 1, because I agree with everything you said, it's about light, because it was there. in the beginning because of who God is. So I'll tell you my theory, if you want to hear it in the overtime, blaishty.com slash unashamed. I do want to mention Jason is wearing a really cool unashamed shirt as well as the mugs. I know you guys are using today on our podcast. You go to fillmerch.com if you want to get some of our really cool unashamed merchandise.

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