Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 662 | Jase Stumps the Guys with a Riddle & Dives into Ghoulish Victorian Hobbies

Episode Date: April 9, 2023

Extinction is on Jase’s mind as he studies the morbid hobbies of our ancestors. He poses a riddle that stumps the guys, and the story of Lazarus holds the answer. The guys draw conclusions about death, suicide, and life after death with clues from Jesus’ actions.  In this episode: John 11 "The Blind" hits theaters this fall. Get updates, trailers, behind-the-scenes moments, and special opportunities here: https://theblindmovie.com — Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? All right, welcome back to unashamed. Jase, what you got worse today? I have a mind. I have a mind riddle today. Uh-oh, a mind riddle. A riddle me this? A riddle me that. You don't see many.

A mind riddle. Now, when you, because today you have no idea, we all agree with what we're going to talk about. We're going to talk about. John 11, famous statement of the I am. Have we figured out how many IMs we're going with yet? I don't know. It's infinite now. Well, if you're an infinite immortal being, then you would have an infinite amount of I am statements.

because you are. So no matter what road we go down here. I'm never known of anyone else trying to duplicate these I-Ams. I've never heard a man stand up and say, oh, I'm bigger and better that he is. I never heard a good argument. So the mind riddle is if you think about things that have become extinct, what just let's let's name a few so i'm going to give you a mind riddle and contemplating things that are now

extinct can you name any anything that dinosaurs huh dinosaurs are extinct very very good al i actually did i don't know when i did this but uh i think i was doing something for the for our tv show And because we were finding stuff from the 17 and 1800s because every once in a while you find something and you realize that we no longer use this anymore. You know, I found a pair of scissors. I won't go into details because it will be out on the show. But we used to have a pair of scissors that served a purpose that we no longer have. So the reason I found this type of pair of scissors is because, Because once innovation came up, we didn't need this product.

So they threw it out in the yard. And I found it about 150 years later because it was the most unique looking pair of scissors that you've ever seen. In fact, I was staring at the scissors and couldn't figure it out. I was like, what is this contraption? It was used for something of that era. That became extinct. Yeah. because someone invented something else.

So you want the answer to the mind riddle now? Or do you want to name a few things? Well, I'll give you my research. I came up with a few other things. So some of the, because I looked up in the spirit of these scissors, hobbies of the 17 and 1800s that no longer exist. And number one was quite fascinating because I just remember this one off the top of my head.

cemetery picnics. We don't do that anymore. Cemetery picnics. Yeah, at one time, that was a hot people would go to cemeteries and have picnics. I didn't know that. I didn't either. No, I don't know why that went extinct, but it did.

I'll tell you another one, a hobby day. Were they thinking somehow they will see them again? I don't know. Just said cemetery picnic. I had a big ride-up. I mean, was it a spiritual-type picnic? Just said they gathered and had picnics. He was a great man while he lived.

He was a bad man. I'll tell you another thing, especially popular among teenagers in the 17 and 1800s, they would go witch hunting. They would go hunting for witches. And I guess kill them when they got to them. No, I don't think they'd find them. But, you know, they were just hunting for them. Yeah.

certainly during that era yeah definitely there was a much bigger deal about witches remember they had the witch trials and there was a much bigger attention back in that day especially in American history about that sort of thing but jace you made me think so i was thinking about anything in terms of like music or entertainment there's been tons of things that are extinct kind of as one thing dies out and the next thing comes along like, you know, they used to have the, you'd have to crank something to play the record. And then, of course, the lineage of how you were able to listen to music throughout time

all the way up to all the different various things. One thing became extinct because the next thing came along. I mean, I listened to eight tracks that became cassettes, that became CDs, that became, you know, the evolution of each one of those things. Each one of those became extinct. We watched that unfold. One of the biggest problems we had as just coming along when we were in for teenagers, there was no way.

I mean, when I say no way, there was no way of communication other than they finally broke through. I remember them putting telephones in our house saying we can now talk to anybody on down the road down there. but there'd be six people on one number and everybody had to say well you hang up i'm talking busy right now so we had seven people who could use it but it was very what's the word it's uh it's a thing that just came upon us we could contact our neighbor other other than hollering at your neighbor to try to get him to hear what you're saying we we didn't have any kind of contraption i mean for sure a computer where you could just ring him up, I mean, and talk to him. I mean, it was a hassle.

I remember when we didn't have that technology. And I'm not. You still have a few landlines, but I just thought about it. That's something that's extinct. When's the last time you saw a pay phone somewhere? A pay phone. That's what I'm saying. I mean, that's totally extinct.

Every street corner used to have a way to contact somebody if you're just out there, got in your rig and it. But I saw that whole error come along. I was sitting there when somebody said they got a deal coming. and it's going to be like you can watch a movie inside your house. I said, oh, what are you talking about? It ain't no way. We were paying 15 cents to go to the movie up there, downtown Vivian, Louisiana.

But it never occurred to me that there was an error that was right at the door to where you could contact people instantaneously all over the world. I mean, I was in an era where none of that was going on. I mean, I remember seeing it come. Now, whether it was a good thing or bad thing, I'm not sure. But now I'm shocked. I never got caught up in that. I just said, I backed out of there and said, I don't want anybody in the world just with a little box in my hand.

I don't want people ringing me up all the time. Jay, you remember every Friday and Saturday night back in the, when we first got married in the late 80s, early 90s, every Friday night, mostly. probably Friday and Saturday night. We were down at Blockbuster video. I was going to bring that up. I was going to bring that up. But did you know? No Blockbusters.

Did you know that they're now trying to come back and they're going to have digital rentals? Really? It's not going to work. Why do I have, I mean, you can do it off your TV. You can now rent a movie on your TV. I mean, COVID might have contributed to that. But Blockbuster, they just can't realize, which, and I love the name, Blockbuster. That'll never go extinct.

Up, 10 years later, bomp, it goes down. We started out by saying when it finally came around, the truckers had a way to talk to each other up and down as they were traveling. And, you know, they had a little box inside their truck. And what did they call them out? The truckers, they had the... CB. Yeah, CB radio. CB. So that came. That was a big hit, and everybody was wanting. We actually got us one.

Well, we could talk to somebody three miles ahead of us in the woods. We could talk to them. And so we had C-Bs in our jeeps and our vehicles. But then all of that left, all that left. I think a few of the, I think a few of the preppers out there still have some C-Bs. They're hanging on to for when the apocalypse happens and the world ends. I think they're still hanging on to that. I think for the most part, I think you're right, Dad, that that's gone extinct. I think, Jason, I read that the blockbusters, there's one left, and that somewhere out in Oregon, there's one functioning blockbuster left. So it's not quite fully extinct. My point is, Al, we're sitting here inside this building where we leave to duck hunt.

But for the now, it seems easy. I never dreamed that what I'm saying right now, millions are listening to what I'm saying. That's right. And I'm looking at this mic and I'm thinking, this thing is going to do what? We can beam what you're saying to millions. When you were in high school,

the only thing you could do was maybe holler at them. And then they go out of hollering distance where they don't hear anything, what you got to say. You see what I'm saying? That's right. They're listening to you all over the world. Yeah.

And they're watching. I'll give you. I'm shocked by it. I'm not, I'm shocked by it. I'll give you a few more from the Victorian age. We're going to go to England back in the 17-1800. Yeah. One of the things that they, that used to be a big thing was fern collecting.

Fern collecting. Collecting ferns. It was a phenomenon that took off in 1829, organized by a British, botanists, and they would start cultivating plants in glass cases. So, and it just became a thing. Victorians around the country were hunting desirable firms to grow in their own homes. Hobby was especially popular among women because it offered them a socially acceptable excuse to be outdoors unsupervised.

Hmm Times were different back then, Phil. I'm telling you. So let me give you another hobby that took the world by storm that became extinct is, now let me,

I wish Zach was here because I have a Zach word. Anthropomorphic taxidermy. So in the 17 and 1800s, they would stuff animals and then make art out of them. So they'd have like, and some of you are probably familiar with this. So they would have like a classroom of stuffed rabbits.

And they would all be like, you know, one would have a pen in his hand and one would have glasses on it. But they were rabbits that somebody went and shot, stuffed them. And then they would make a set. So that became a thing. So everybody, they had like a fox and a raccoon having a discussion over the origin of life. You know, so it was called, do I have to say that again? Anthropomorphic taxidermy.

So I'll give you. Jason's word of the day, anthropomorphic taxidary. It's kind of morbid and looks, you know, what we do, you know, people hang deer on walls now. But there was a day when the hobby was, they would shoot animals. I guess they would have a meal and with what was left, they would make art. That was the thing. That led to a guy starting the Bates Motel.

So I have this one for Phil. This is why I kind of had this idea. But there was a day, Phil, when the big hobby was seaweed scrapbooking. Seweed scrapbooking. Yeah, saltwater, seaweed. What does it mean? What does it mean?

They would make scrapbooks over a very, various types of seaweed. The designs were more aesthetic than educational, but the seaweed sometimes arranged to spell out words or form images. It just died. I don't know why, but it just, people quit doing that. See what happens when you have no TV or Internet? A lot more time.

Here's another, what's amazing, before you go on, I just want to remind our listeners, I'm still shocked. I'm in a state of shock on how quickly information is running in all directions. Yeah. It's an information world. It's almost like being blasted back. I'm trying to figure out all this stuff is here.

And I started to try to enter that group to be part of it. So it'll get my voice in it. But I thought, no. I need to get out of this thing. I mean, it was just, it's just too much. Information overload. I got it. I got that disease.

Information overload. I mean, I'm listening. Little buttons are going off and people are. Press the pause button so we can take a break. They're standing in front of this gigantic machine. I'm like, get me out of here. I'm sorry, but that's just a shock to my system. I'm living with it.

Somebody's saying, well, they're hearing what you're saying right now. I said, well, just take a look inside. I said, surely there's something more that we can hold on to. Phil, we're airing this podcast on the same thing that you're screaming at. I know it. Okay. And I'm still trying to deal with that. All right.

Well, I'll only give you two more. I walk out of how, and Kay says, where are you going? You know, and I'm like, podcast. She said, oh, that's right, podcast. That's at 9 o'clock this morning. Yeah.

And then you're thrust into a situation where a lot of people say, and that idiot, I mean, that guy, I mean, we point them towards Jesus saying, well, here's one way that gives us out of here. You said, well, why are you dealing with that? We don't have anywhere else to go? All right, but I'm giving you life more simple than it has become.

That's what I'm trying to say. I've created the perfect scenario for the mind riddle that I will reveal shortly. But before I do, a couple more extinct hobbies, making jewelry from hair. Making jewelry from hair. That used to be a big thing. That just still catch on with you two. That sounds like American Indian. I mean, it's, you know.

what? Well, it may be. So they would actually, yeah, take even while I'm looking at this, you're right. They would take the hair from the deceased and make keepsakes to help cope with their loss. We stopped doing that for some reason. And so I have a good idea. I got two more, sending secret codes with flowers. So this was the Victorian world from the 1700.

They would communicate a thoughtful message through a bouquet of flowers, but the different kinds of flowers that were attached had different meanings. So you would have, this came along with knowing the dictionary of floraography, which is the language of flowers. So you'd get, so you wouldn't just get flowers. You'd get different sets of flowers to go along with the dictionary. and then there was a meaning that you had to find out what each flower, what the message that it was sending.

Yeah. A fellow named Oscar Weil was designed for coming up with the floral codes. That's a famous dog. And the last one, because I thought this one was funny, is back in the day, crystal gazing. So crystal gazing. crystal gazers would stare into glass, orbs, mirrors, or gems,

hoping to tap into the secrets of their subconscious minds. Kind of a lot went on, which another one was a train spotting, you know, people, that was a big hobby, you just go and, because people were fascinated, you know, one with, you know, discovering yourself by doing this, but even with the train spotting was like, it became a hobby,

because they were, they were, thought the train was so incredible. They would try to get the different kinds of trains and the different stations they would stop. And, you know, people, but I think all those things died. You just look at the network of train tracks. You look at that network, and most of that came, how far back, Al, a hundred years? When did we went on this quest to connect all? all all all we wanted away a fast way faster way than horses are on foot and they came up with this train thing

and and to this day what's amazing is we're still going up and down these tracks I hadn't seen too much of a leap but by on how to get from point A to point B they come up with airplanes and then jets but the train tracks are still there. Yeah, when you're talking about vast amounts of territory, I mean, especially when the, for the U.S., I mean, it was a good way to get across. Yeah. And to do it cheaply, you know, that was the thing. So the mind riddle question for today is what did Jesus make extinct? All of it.

Hey, y'all laughing. What are y'all laughing for? I'm reading these texts and I'm like he got rid of every bit of that. Well, I'll tell you this. I am who I am. You say before the railroad tracks, before. That's a good answer. How do you know where I'm going with this?

I don't know. I've never heard this statement. It intrigues me. So keep going, Jase. I've never heard this stated. So I didn't read this out of a book or anything. It just hit me. And so I thought, we'll do a riddle.

When Jesus said, I am the resurrection and the life, by that statement, he actually made death itself extinct. That is very well-founded and you're on the right track. The very thing. So all these are not, the mind riddle was, so everything. That was like, do you just say, do you read this out of a book? I didn't read this out of a book. Jason, what you just said. You all just described everything that died. But Jesus, when he died, he actually, by his death and resurrection and making this claim, made death itself the actual act of extinction extinct.

I thought that's where you're going. You made extinction extinct. Well, that's what I was going to say. He made extinction extinct. Well, that is a miraculous probe of your pontificating. That is pontificating 101. No, I got that from, so I read on. Here's, I'll just, how my mind works.

So, where we're going to talk, you know, we're doing the I am. So when he said, I am the resurrection in the life, I introduced this subtly, Al, last podcast, no, the podcast before. Because I wanted to reveal it at them, but I said, no, I'm going to wait for it. But he said, I am the resurrection of the life. This is 1125, and we're going to go through the story that where this statement came from. he who believes in me will live even though he dies and whoever lives and believes in me will never die yeah that's where i got the idea i thought wait a minute he actually okay it's one thing to say i am the resurrection of life he who believes in me will live well i'm looking around like well i believe in you

So I'm going to live, even though I die. But then he takes it on another notch, and whoever lives and believes in me will never die. So at first I asked the question, well, which is it? Is it that I'm going to live even though I die, or is it that I'm going to live and will never die? and then I realized the point the same spirit that raised Jesus from the dead Romans 8-11 which is a fantastic verse if it is living inside of you also give life to your mortal body so there's and you can there's other verses that support this you remember when in first kiths 15 where paul said the last enemy to be destroyed is death yep and so

even though we haven't gone through this process, it is not a process that we dread. It goes back to what we studied in Second Peter. We're not focused on the departure anymore. It's now arrival because he's making statements like this. If you can be raised from the dead or if you can raise another from the dead who is dead, you have now made death extinct. Yep. Extinction is extinct.

The greatest fear of all men has become extinct. If you think about it, to your point, so all of in culture, they attempt to do in a pitiful way what Jesus has done, which to your point you've been making on the podcast since we began, culture tries to do to be like God in the Bible, is they try to do what he does, but do it in a, in a, in, in a more pitiful way. They try to make all those things. A lot of them, you mentioned, those extinct things, they keep trying to bring them back. Oh, yeah. Like, so the dinosaurs, the dinosaurs are extinct.

What do you get? You get Jurassic Park, Jurassic World. You know, all we got to do is go find a mosquito that bit a dinosaur, and we can take the DNA and we bring what we do. We bring the dinosaurs back. Or I was thinking about the, you know, the witch hunts or the taxidermy or all the different things you try to bring back into the modern environment. So you attempt to do it, but they don't ever do it.

Like the blockbuster, we're going to bring it back. We're just going to bring it back digitally. But it just is not the same. It's not the same as what Jesus does. Yeah. I mean, it's like the illustration of the hamster going around the wheel. It's just because they say everything makes a comeback. Just if you look at the life that we have.

have on the earth from 30,000 feet. Everything goes out. All the fads. We didn't even bring up since we're three men. The women's fashion, because everything seems to make a comeback. Yep. At one time, the bell bottom slacks, that was during the hippie movement, right? Well, now I'm noticing that they're wearing those again.

Are they? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And I'm like, what? They waited 40, 50 years. And then it, but when you start considering this, it is literally like a hamster going over. Nothing's being accomplished. It just, and even some of the hobbies I met, somebody hear that and say, you know, let's go have a picnic in a cemetery.

I mean, why was that a thing, you know, or let's go stare at a glass orb and see if I can figure out who I am. I'll go ahead and cut to the chase and tell you, no, you only discover that you need some help. I've always wondered about all these statues. You look at these statues and it took a lot of time and effort to build them, saying this, that, or the other, old time of riding on horses and war pictures and all that. but but then you go through a system now what we're on is let's tear all them down just just tear all the pages of history tear it up and throw it in the trash and burn it what's the deal going on with that you just think about it they built all these statues to honor this person that one of that's what he was

known for you can read back yes where he was you went through 17 and 1800 on things well a lot of statues come out of that but now we're in the process of watching them be all pulled down and destroyed what's what's what's what's what's what's what's culture saying to us because you can't change you can't change what happened and so I mean there's no what what's happening is the I think it's the just the passion to make injustices right and but you can't go back and change. So you say, well, we'll just destroy every bit. We'll just forget it. But it's the same thing we do with death. When you think about it, because death is what we're talking about here, being extinct. So how do people view death today? And I'm saying outside of

Jesus, they either deny it, the ramifications of it, or they embrace it. And you say, but both can be a lie because you say well how do people embrace it outside of Jesus well they just say well it's it's going to be fine we're just going to be energy i'm just going to be absorbed into the energy there's always a or you know everybody that i've known that has died whether no matter what their beliefs or people like well i'm sure they're looking down on us now everybody's looking down on us now and everything is great. It's like that's the embracing. It's a good thing.

Or it's denial of people are just like nothing to it. You're just dead. So I'm looking at those two things thinking, well that's just the human brain trying to come up. Because I mean, nobody's going to say

there's some kind of consequences for life after death. Who's going to want to embrace that. Your mind can't go there. So that's basically what we do. So when you see what we have in Jesus, we actually answer your question because there's plenty of verses in the Bible about God making things right. He's like, don't you administer your justice on all the injustice. Remember the verse that says, it's like someone heaping burning coals on his head. God's going to make the sins of the past.

and the injustices, right. He's very clear on that. He also says that we're not going to die. Those who have faith and trust, surrender to it. We get to live forever with other people who are like-minded, and the picture is amazing. So it's something that people have to address. And so I think what my point is, and where I'm going with this, when I made that reference that when he said, Paul said, the last enemy to be destroyed his death, I don't think we should embrace death, you know, outside of Jesus or deny death outside of Jesus. I think we should view it as an enemy. It's an enemy. If you viewed it as an enemy. The finality of it all is an enemy. Death is an enemy. It's final. It is the ultimate enemy. So when that statement is made that Jesus, by

his resurrection and by him coming back that he ultimately destroys the last enemy to you and he's viewing it as an enemy this is it is it is said to be destroyed he he destroys it he makes it extinct and look this is why we warn and persuade people i mean we we shared god's grace on a cross in jesus you know his perfect light we talk about his birth being a miracle and it was and god's plan and we talk about the teachings of jesus but it's more than this we we talk about him you know going to the cross motivates us but why we warn and persuade people is because he came back out of that ground and he he took a guy here in john 11 he'd been dead four days and said what is the word is almost funny it's like yeah he's just he's asleep what did you uh you made reference to

this earlier. He said, I'm going to go wake him up. Yeah. Where exactly is that? Verse 11. Yeah, verse 11. Our friend Lazarath has fallen asleep, but I'm going there to wake him up. Okay. I just think if somebody actually... Just think about anybody's approach to death with that statement. That's what I mean. It wasn't a joke, but it almost sounded like a joke. People laughed today. Oh, they'd laugh. You stood up at the next funeral you're at and said, look, I'm going to give it two or three days and then I'm going to go wake him up. There would be people that would intervene on your behalf in that moment and probably a straight jacket would be involved.

That's right. I'm so glad you made the point about the enemy part of this because I think that's the second half of this situation because the first half it's obvious that he realizes what he's going to do because he even waits and delays and allows him. him to die because like they come to him in time when he's sick that he could have made it down there and healed him or it was we know because he's healed people from a distance so he could have healed Lazarus but he allows him to die because he's going to raise him from the dead because he's proven a point that he has the power of death and he's going to show the resurrection. But the second half of this when he weeps in verse 35 and he shows this compassion, I think proves your point that you were saying about.

how he feels about death. And even his own dealing with his own death in the garden and the agony he shows about facing it. I think your point is well taken. And I agree 100%. There's a reason why we fight, even though we know about the resurrection and we know about heaven and we know about all of it, there's a reason why we fight tooth and nail right up until the moment we die to not die.

And that is, it is the ultimate enemy. God made us to live because he is life and he is the life. and he is the light of men. Exactly. And so I think people are way too flippin about this sometimes in Christianity because while we do know about the resurrection in life, God made us to survive and live. It's in us to survive. And so it is the ultimate enemy. And Christ is the ultimate victor.

But at the same time, until we get into eternity, it is something we fight to tooth and nail. I think to the bitter. I do a lot of counseling with people, you know, who have not that I'm a counselor. I'm saying I've been asked by many people, especially teenagers, and it's when people, usually the guys I'm talking to are young men who have suicidal thoughts and they're like, you know, can you help me with that? And I bring that this point up because I'm like, God is life. You know, what you're contemplating doing, taking your own life is in direct contrast to what God is calling you to do. He's calling you to live. Now, I do also make the spiritual point is the reason you're having these thoughts is because I believe you do realize how broken you are and how worthless you are.

And these are good things in the context of how you're relating yourself to who God is. That's why you need him. And so then I give the picture of the spiritual suicide, which I think what baptism is and God is embracing. There is a surrender that takes place. So it makes them feel better about how they're feeling. because I'm like, you're going down the right path in that there's nothing good about you and you must surrender. But it's a spiritual thing in the context to who you're surrendering to.

The physical thing, you're embracing the evil world. That's the evil ones tactics, you know, based on Hebrews 2, 14 through 18. So when it says that Jesus came to destroy him who holds the power of death, that is the devil, those who by all their lives were held in slavery by their fear of death. That's why I had my hand on that verse, but you read it before I could. Well, I actually just quoted, I guess it was the Holy Spirit. So I think we should, I want to go through this story a little bit to get the context. I know we studied this in the book of John, but still, we're making a point where Jesus

keeps using these I-M references, and he's doing miracles, and he's doing miracles not to just wow the crowd. We did this a couple of podcasts ago. He's, the miracles are centered around things that cause people pain and suffering and grief. And fear. Yeah, fear and grief. What, what I'm saying is I, I made this point, hell and slavery. I made this point two or three times. I'm going to make it again. He could have done more fantastical miracles. And you said, well, how could it be more fantastical than raising somebody from the dead? Well, he could, he could. He could have gone to the Roman Coliseum where everybody's writing articles about the gladiators and all that, killed everybody and then bring them all back.

He could kill the line and then put the detach the head of the line back on the line. I mean, he could have done all this. He wasn't trying to wow the crowd, but in every miracle that we've seen, he's healing the blind, the cripple, the lepers, the demon, possess the you know all the in this case all these things cause grief you lose a loved one and he's he's showing us what the nature of our purpose is going to be in that he has the way to provide comfort in all these things and i think that matters so in this look john 11 you got a man the sick named lazarus who was his friend he had multiple encounters where mary and martha and he

he had laid now sick and this was the same one uh mary who poured perfume on the lord and wiped his feet with her hair you remember that because she had she had realized uh you know who jesus was and what was going to happen to him so it's not like these they didn't already have some belief in him so the sisters sent word to jesus lord the one you love is sick when he heard this jesus said the sickness will not end in death. No, it is for God's glory so that God's son may be glorified through it. So that's why the miracle was going to occur. And even though he says that, it's still hard for people to trust because what's going to happen

doesn't seem to line up with that statement. Because he said the sickness will not end in death. Well, what happens to him? Well, he dies. That's why he's going to clarify this. But it won't end up that way. Well, right. Jesus loved Martha and her sister and Lazarus,

yet when he heard that Lazarus was sick, he stayed there where he was, two more days. And so then we have, you know, he wasn't around. And he does make a, there's a curious little paragraph here that we'll reference. When he said to his disciples, let's go back to Judea, but rabbi, they said a short while ago, the Jews tried to stone you, and yet you're going back there? And Jesus answered, here's the peculiar little statement,

are there not 12 hours of daylight? A man who walks by day will not stumble, for he sees by the world's light. It is when he walks by night that he stumbles, for he has no light. Now, if you fast forward this to Paul's reference in 1st Thessalon is 4th, that Jesus coming back in the resurrection

in 1st Thessalonians 5, talking about the day shouldn't surprise you. You know, we're going to be raised. The day shouldn't surprise you. You should look forward to this. And then he gets into this dissertation about those who live by righteous living the day. Those who get drunk do so at night. And so it kind of goes back to him referencing, I am the light,

and nothing can be hidden before God, especially. You know, a lot of people think that when they die, that what they've done will be then hidden with them to go back to your point about the injustice. But it's not true. God knows everything that happened, everything that will happen, and that all comes to light.

There's plenty of passages about that at the resurrection standing before God. So I think there's a little reference to that. He's not worried about being stoned, and he's trusting in the Lord, I think, is his point, you know? He's not worried. about that. After he had said this, he went on to tell them, our friend Lazarus has fallen asleep,

but I'm going there to wake him up, which is kind of comical and crazy. His disciples replied, Lord, if he sleeps, he'll get better. So, you know, everybody, that's what they say at the doctor, you know, just you need to get some rest. Jesus had been speaking of his death, but his disciples thought he meant natural sleep. So I love that clarification. So then he told them plainly, Lazarus is dead. And for your sake, I'm glad I was not there so that you may believe. But let us go to him. But Thomas, here's old Thomas, who had some issues, you know, believing, said to the rest of the disciples,

let us also go that we may die with him. Well, he missed it. On his arrival, Jesus found that Lazarus had already been in the tomb for four days. So Bethany was less than two miles from Jerusalem. Many Jews had come to Mary and Martha to comfort them in the loss of their brother. Now Martha, when she heard that Jesus was coming, she went out to meet him. But Mary, she stayed at home. Martha said to Jesus, if you had been here, my brother would not have died.

But I know that even now God will give you whatever you ask. And Jesus said, your brother will rise again. And Martha answered, well, I know he'll rise again at the resurrection at the last. day but Jesus said and here's this famous quote I am the resurrection of the life he who believes in me will live even though he dies and whoever believes whoever lives and believes in me will never die do you believe this yes I believe that you are the Christ the son of God who has come into the world and after she said this she went back and called her sister Mary aside the teachers here so when Mary heard this she got up quickly and went now Jesus had not yet entered the

village but was still at the place where Martha had met him. When the Jews who had been with Mary in the house comforting her, noticed how quickly she got up and went out, they followed her, supposing she was going to the tomb to mourn. When Mary reached the place where Jesus was and saw him, she fell at his feet and said, Lord, if you had been here, my brother, they keep saying the same thing. My brother would not have died.

Now, this is interesting. When Jesus saw her weeping and the Jews who had come along with her also weeping, he was deeply moved in spirit and troubled. Where have you laid him? He asked. Come and see, Lord, they replied. And Jesus wept. Then the Jews said, see how he loved him. But some of them said, could not he who opened the eyes of the blind man have kept this man from dying?

So they're just looking at him cynical, saying, why didn't he heal him? I mean, he's, so Jesus once more deeply moved came to the team, which, look, simply means when we heard as humans, he hurts. He's, it's coming off the hills of the gate and the sheep, and he knows us by name, and he, I mean, Jesus not only knows what we do, he has compassion for us. That's why I said, that was the use of his miracles. So he comes up to the stone, and he's moved, and he says, take away the stone. But Lord, you know, there's probably a bad odor. He's been in there four days. Then Jesus said, did I not tell you that if you believed you would see the glory of the God, glory of God?

So they took away the stone. Jesus looked up. Father, I thank you that you have heard me. I knew that you always hear me. But I said this for the benefit of the people standing here, that they may believe that you sent me. And when he said this, Jesus called in a loud voice. Come out. Dead man came out. Lazarus came out. His hands and feet rat with strips of linen. I guess this is the first time a mummy actually came out in mummy clothing and a cloth around his face. Then he said, take off the grave clothes and let him go. What a story.

That's quite the story. I kind of like the idea of dying and you're not dead. Yeah. I love it. You know what I'm saying? And the way they wrapped them up, I mean, that wasn't easy for him. I mean, literally it was the mummy walk. You know what I'm saying? Therefore, I don't care what anybody, the information he wants to expound on.

But when we get to this and I look at this and the information I have at hand from an old record, 2,000 years old, I'm looking at death and I'm saying, they wonder why. are we following to the death because you don't really die. You just pass away. You're with the Lord. Immortality is yours. Immortality and life while we're here and immortality when we get there. It's quite the promise, Al.

It is. I never heard anything like, have you ever heard anything else that deals with this? Nope. Me either. There's nothing else like it. I did find it intriguing that, you know, because Jesus had raised some others that had just passed on, you know, hadn't been buried, you know, some others, the girl, the daughter, and the guy, I remember they were taking him out to be, to bury him.

Yep. This is the first person that had actually been buried that we see this happened. It had actually been four days. And I did find it interesting that he addressed the father. And he says it, he says he does it for the benefit of those. who were there. In other words, it's not like he had to like make a show of it, but he did for the sake of those that were listening. But I wonder if there was some significance to that. It's this idea we talked about before, even himself, about where you go and this idea of

crossing over somewhere and coming back. I mean, I mean, it's just all subjection for me. I don't have any answers, but I did, I did find it intriguing that he did find it necessary to do what he did. And I don't. I don't really know the answer, but I do find it interesting that when someone seems to be gone for a few days, there is something unique about coming back, you know, and it was in this case too. So I think it may have something to do with that divide and come back. I don't know. It was interesting.

Well, that's why I originally said, you know, that we, you know, us as just human beings, we did, we come up with this rationalization. Because deep down we fear it. I mean, that is that is the. natural instinct on what to do. So that's why when you start reading passages like it's an enemy, you should view it that. And you remember in 1st Corinthians 15 where it said, you know,

after Paul gives this elaborate depiction of how we're going to be raised, we're going to get a new body. And then he says, when the perishable, this is 54 of 15 of 1st Corinthians, when the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable. and the mortal with immortality, which is two things. These are two reasons why Jesus made death extinct.

If you're imperishable and you're immortal, death is not in the equation. No. Forever. That's gone. That ended. But it says, then the saying that is written will come true. death has been swallowed up, which I think is another word for extinction,

in victory. Where oh death is your victory? Where oh death is your sting? So let me just think about a wasp. If he didn't have a stinger, how afraid of him would you be? Even though we're not that afraid, but it still hurts.

But if all of a sudden their stingers became non-existent, well, you wouldn't even even given us, even if he was on your hand, you'd say, look at the little ones. And the sting of death is sin. Well, right, which is, you know, there was a natural order on where this all followed. In the garden, we were fine, and all of a sudden, mistakes were made, people were blamed,

lies were told separation occurred and then and death occurred because now they didn't have access to that tree of life and people started dying

and so and meanwhile God comes up with this plan to bring Jesus here to take care of both problems and he literally made them extinct even the sin part

because you know his his blood on the cross combined with the new imperishable immortal you will make not only physical death extinct, but spiritual death. Yeah, and I want to, we're out of time, but I want to talk about that a little bit in the overtime because obviously the resurrection, while we're mainly talking about the physical, because that's what we looked at here in this story. But Jase, you alluded to it there. There's also a heavy spiritual implication that leads to the physical, or, or, or, you're a, or, or physical to spiritual.

So I want to talk about that a little bit in our overtime as we kind of finish up this thought on the resurrection of life. He gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. I love it. So you want to follow us over, blazedtv.com slash unashamed, and we'll wrap this up in our overtime segment. So follow us over. We'll see you there.

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