Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 676 | Jase Gets His Own Personal Miracle & Phil Reminisces About His Boys in the Womb

Episode Date: May 3, 2023

Jase thinks he experienced a miracle on a treasure hunt, and Phil gets sentimental with all the baby talk going around! The guys discuss the importance of the role of women in the Bible and Mary’s holy and trusting nature. Jase marvels at how God used family dynamics to help Elizabeth and Mary endure a difficult prospect and grasp the nature of the triune God.  In this episode: Luke 1, verse 5 – Luke 2, verse 52; Matthew 1, verses 18-25; Isaiah 7, verse 14 https://philmerch.com – Shop now for your “Unashamed” mugs, shirts, hats & hoodies! "The Blind" hits theaters this fall. Get updates, trailers, behind-the-scenes moments, and special opportunities here: https://theblindmovie.com — Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Theblindmovie.com. I am unashamed. What about you? All right, welcome back to Unashame. Yesterday was Sunday, so I preached. Did you preach, Zach? No, I was, well, you know what? I was on a canoe trip with a bunch of my old friends from high school and families,

three-day canoe fishing trip. And then so we did do a little church service, and I did leave the communion. So we had communion Sunday morning right on the Swanee River. Oh, that's cool. I love the Swarney River. How many fish did you catch is what I'm wondering? Man, we did not too well. Oh, was this a feeding the way.

Well, you know, I'll tell you what, it was not too well. Was this a feeding the 50 with two fish and four loaves? A lot of s'mores. Yeah, we caught more than two. We had enough to do one meal. But, yeah, it was just, it wasn't quite as, um, Wonderful, as I remember. You don't have the divine capacity to come up with fish from nothing.

You just, then you do communion. Just talk about how bad things. Yeah, and I spent more time. Honestly, I spent more time getting out people's backlashes. And, I mean, it was. So the few fish that y'all caught, what kind of fish were these? Do you even know what they were? Large mouth, large mouth bass.

They have something called a Swanee River bass, which is a, it's kind of like a small mouth bass, but I think that you only find these particular strands in the Swanee River and the Santa Fe River in North Florida. And then some Red Belly and Bluegill Bram. Yeah. So that's, that was the, I'm not, I wouldn't be, I'm not a huge bass fan in terms of eating. But I will say this, because I've been in the Swanee River, the water is so clear and pretty there that I would imagine all fish would be better. You always got a man, Al. It's amazing.

The, how good a fish taste. is not necessarily based on species, but how hungry you are. Well, that's true. That's true, too. Because I have had some meals. Yeah, we brought food, though. The food game was strong. You can't bring, look, you can't bring your own food and then expect to have success

fishing. That's true. Make it harder. I didn't have enough faith. I guess that was a lesson there. So I filmed last week. I was in Missouri and then Kansas. And so I had something interesting happen, and I delayed this story.

Do you find my horse up there in Kansas? No, but I heard he was pulling a wagon. It's a outlawed Josie Wells reference. So go watch that movie. It's good. The PG version. So I wanted to share this story because I tempted the story and cliff hanged it the entire podcast. Yeah, and then we teased it for the overtime, and we didn't tell it there.

all it was not based on a lie i had every intention in doing that but i wanted everyone to enjoy this so i'm going to try to tell this story that happened without giving any details about our show because they don't want me talking about the show until it airs i mean that's just the way tv works it's like so but i'm just gonna look i'm gonna i'm gonna i'm just gonna go for it here because i look my life right now is a lot of film me this TV show. And so we come in here. And I feel like Unashamed Nation has earned at least a little bit of information because if it wasn't for them, you wouldn't be doing this show. So thank you. That's true. And I just want to, because I'm going to, I'm going to really tell you how we do the show.

And because there's a story that happened this past week that I really want to share. Now, I am throwing throwing one guy under the bus, but, you know, hey. It happens to Zach all the time. It happens. Okay. So here's what happened. So I'm going to tell you how this show works. I made a commitment because every other treasure hunt. We have a treasure hunting show. It's called Duck Family Treasure that we ran season one last year.

Some of you all have seen it. Y'all invented the concept. You taught me into doing it. Zach is a part of it. He's more of the executive, you know, he'll look at something we do and be like, no. Or yes. That's basically his role. So, and I'm a fan.

I like the show. I like that. It's got some of the things I liked about our old show. But then I like the new stuff. I like finding stuff. I love Murray's into the mix. I like the show. So thank you, Al.

And so when the show was pitched to networks, you know, Fox picked the show up, well, they, everybody was skeptical because they said treasure hunting shows don't do well, you know, for his ratings and ratings. means everything in the TV world. But I'm like, I don't care. And so the TV people, that's what I refer to them, producers, directors, all these people. They were like, they're always going to try to make everything work no matter what.

And so really the point of conflict in doing the show was, well, what if you go to a place and you don't find anything? Because we're treasure hunter. That is the theme of the show. And I just drew a line in the sand. And I'm going to reveal to you what the inner workings and foundation of the show. I'm like, we're not planning stuff. We're not going around and planning.

We're not bringing treasures with us to find. Right. Not going to do it. So if you're uncomfortable with that, go do another TV show somewhere else. So then the question comes, well, what if you go and don't find anything? Well, and here's my reasoning for this. And Zach knows how. I feel about this, and he actually signed off on it.

I said, treasure based on the Bible, comes to us in various forms. I mean, true treasure in heaven has nothing to do with any kind of relic or a coin you find. God used those parables in these stories to show you a greater treasure that's a spiritual nature. So I said, if we go to places and we don't find anything, well, then we got to work harder about figuring out another form of treasure. which may be, you know, catching fish or doing something that you, you know, their treasure has various meanings.

And so that's kind of how our show works. So I'm not worried about it. But the reason that I drove such a hard line on it is is because the reason I say treasure hunting shows didn't rate well, because that's what they tried to do. Well, what happens if you go and don't find? They're like, well, just plant something. And, you know, it's just, but people see through that. We're not actors.

And then where are you going? You're only trying to find something bigger and better. How can you do this long term? So I just drew a line in the sand. It makes everyone work harder. It makes us look hard. You know, we really try. So anyway, one of the things we do is, you know, we have a guy who's a scout,

and we all try to go the day before and kind of scout out the location. You got to, man, we've never been to these places. So, and we only film a couple of days looking for the treasure. and then you have to do some setup stuff, which is when you pull in, you know, and they're filming it. And this just in, you know, if the cameras are not on or something breaks down

or a cameraman falls down while we're pulling in, we're going to have to pull in again. They didn't get it. So you do a few things in TV land that are kind of set up, but the actual hunts, we're out there hunting. And so we had a guy on the ground for this location. I won't discuss it. and because we had multiple places to go.

And so Murray and Jep got there a day early, I was doing the podcast, so I couldn't be there for the scout. Well, guess what? Nobody found anything. So we're going way off and it's not looking good. Whatever this was supposed to be as far as finding treasure,

not happening. And there's various reasons for that. So we become creative. We're like, what other things are going? going on in the community. So we did a different story, you know, which was I heard funny. I wasn't part of, you know, so we'll, because there's three characters, main characters

in this treasure hunting form. So one of the characters wasn't me, but, you know, goes off and does something else. And they said, oh, it was funny. Because it was a treasure of life had nothing to do with finding something out of the ground. So we're bouncing around spots. And I hunted this daylight to dark. I think I found one thing that I thought was cool. and they filmed it.

So the second day, we filmed most of the day. And I'm like, let's go somewhere else. I mean, this is just not working. Well, we go to a place where the guy who was on the ground was, and Murray and Jeff had hunted. Didn't find anything, but it looked cool. So I'm like, look, we may not find anything, but this place is cool. So let's just go there.

And I signed off, so we go. So about two hours of daylight were left, and all of a sudden I get a signal, and bam, it's awesome. I'm not going to tell you what it is. You have to watch this out. And I was so excited because you got to marry this. This is two days. I had lost. And I found, I really thought, maybe just the Lord said, here you go.

I mean, I felt like it was borderline miraculous. Well, look, I turned around and walked 10 feet. I got another signal. boom it's spectacular well you know my buddy here's me going crazy he comes over there well on his way to meet boom he gets a signal well then i walked a few other feet boom and then my but boom well then i call the producer because one of our other cast members are not there i'm like get over here now something has we have found the hot spot so the other we boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom, boom, boom.

Awesome. Incredible. I just thought, I cannot believe we stumbled up on. Number one, it had never been hunted. Number two, I don't know what was here, but it was awesome. Here's why I'm telling you the story. So the next, that night, yeah, later on that night, we're getting all our stuff together. Well, the original scout, he comes over to one of the cast members is like, man, you know, I can't believe, you know, y'all put all

that stuff in the ground. And so they're like, no, we didn't put anything in the ground. It's like, well, we scouted this before. That didn't happen. So long story short, then he goes to the another key. He didn't go to me, but to the other is like, did y'all really find that stuff? And here's my buddies who I trust with my life are saying, that really happened. He said, I don't believe it.

He's like, well, you were there. you saw it he's like yeah but i wouldn't up there close he was just standing behind the camera he's hey how can i be sure of this it was the same thing i was like how can a guy watch something so once they told me that i just couldn't help it i said look i appreciate you you know inviting us to this spot i heard you had some reservations about what just happened but i'm just going, you know, I kind of went through a speech about we're people of integrity. And I was like, look, I don't know if the Lord just said, here you go, but maybe the Lord put it in the ground.

But what I was saying, he raised the dead. Yeah. What I was saying is, look, did I think it was borderline miraculous? Look, I'm going to be honest. I really did. Because there's no reason while all this stuff was out there, that we just stumbled. up on a little patch of the earth that had all these hidden treasures. But it made me realize that no matter what you do, you try to make this as authentic as possible.

I'm sure people watching the show said, well, this just, I mean, I had trouble believing it myself. And you were a part of it. But I had a guy there who watched it and said, didn't happen. Yeah. So it made me think of this story. I'm like, no matter what you say, you read this. Some people, even if they were there were people. Plus, how could you have invented this?

I don't know what they were. He just couldn't believe it. You know what the bottom line was, though? He said, but I walked over there. And I didn't get that signal. I'm like, well, you must have missed it. But it just shows me how people get something in their mind that when you see fantastical things that there's no really explanation for. Of course.

Well, you get so committed, sometimes you get so committed to whatever your position is that in the face of complete evidence, you still say, no, I don't believe that. Yes, there had to be something happened. Yeah, there was a giant chasm between lost and found. Yeah. A lot of people said, well, look what we found. But they doctored it up and made it look like they found. Exactly. The truth comes forward when you say there's a big difference

lost and found. Sometimes it's right there in front of you, but you can't see it because. Yeah, exactly. On a more serious note, I had a similar experience recently with someone that we all know, and they were on social media, and they were basically making the claim repeatedly

that these events in Nashville, you know, the school shooting in Nashville that happened recently, they were like, ah, that's all manufactured by the government, or it's a, you know, like one of these conspiracy theories. It's a training drill and all, and I mean, I'm reading this. And I just, because I, we had personal connection to, uh, some of the victims. Um, we had a lot of friends in Nashville.

And so, my, the first thing I wanted to do is I'm, I'm about to blast this guy on here. And I was like, no, that's, not the right thing to do. I need to do what Matthew 18 says in confronting. So I call him, you know, he's someone that I've known for many years. And I was like, hey, we'll call him John. That's not his name. Hey, John, man, I read what you put on on Facebook about, you know, the Nashville stuff. I'm telling you, man, there's like my personal connection with these tragedies. My daughter goes to school right down the road, but even the people that were killed.

Like, these are like real people. And you're saying that it didn't happen. And, But I'm telling you, it happened. Like, it's legit. And he's like, well, I'll take that into consideration. And I was like, what do you mean? You'll take it in the consideration. Like, this happened. This is a real thing that happened.

And like, I have connection. I'm telling you, you've known me for years. Why would I lie to you? Am I part of the big thing? And he's like, and he's like, I'll take it into consideration. And I got to thinking about it. He did not take it into consideration. He continues to spew these lies.

And it's like, man, in the face of truth, he's so committed to his ideology and his little ecosystem of conspiracy theories that he he can't even see the truth anymore and it scared me and I into your point Jace I mean I think that you know when you look at Mary's response to something that seemed unbelievable that's not that thing's not even unbelievable but she she really could have I mean she could have said that the same thing. When the spirit spoke to her, she could have just said, you know, or, you know, now I'm not going to do it. I'm on a, you know, Francis Schaefer talks about this in his book, True Spirituality, about Mother Mary as kind of a prototype of how we

were, we are to respond to God, or to the Holy Spirit, rather. And he says that when the, she, she had three choices. One, she could have ran and said, now I'm not going to do it. And she could killed herself or aborted the bed, whatever. She could have, I'm not going to participate in that, which is what a lot of us do when the spirit yields truth to us and makes a promise to us. We just say, no, I'm not doing it. Or two, she could have said, okay, I have the promise now. So I'm going to, I'm going to do that.

I'm going to go produce a baby in my womb by myself, which would have never happened because she couldn't do that. And then the third response is what she did is she, she, You could have said it's absolutely beautiful what you're saying, this promise, this, this child coming forth from the Holy Spirit. And she did say this. Behold the bond servant of the Lord, may it be done to me according to your word. And it's in that phrase right there that we really see, according to Schaefer and I agree with him. We see how do we respond to the Holy Spirit?

How do we respond with to the phrase, nothing is impossible for God? And the way we respond is what he calls an active passivity. We're actively doing something, but we're passive in it. Like it's, it's just like you and the treasure. You know, you're, you know, you're not producing the results. You're not manufacturing the results of the treasure. You're, you're just dutifully going about what you, what your job is.

And then, and God produces that in us. You're right. Because I wanted to say one of the reasons, you know, because I kind of created the format of this show and everybody liked it, you know, having sigh, I was like, put sign charge of where we go. That'll be funny, you know, so okay. But I'm like, I want to have the pain and just the adventure of, well, what if we don't pull it off? What if we fail? I was like, it's okay as long as it's real. I mean, we'll find a way to overcome, you know, whatever happens.

I mean, if we don't find stuff, guess what? We'll do something else that is authentic. And because we're not actors, because I'm going to tell you what all this does. All this, you're tired, you go from daylight to dark. And, you know, when the cameras are not on, we're hunting. Because, you know, if we get a good signal, I'm like, hey, come. I mean, you literally get every minute. But when you go through all this, well, the, and this is what I was trying to explain to

the dude i was like you know what it's worth it because when we did find that our emotion was just unbridled you we're not actors you couldn't make that up because he heard that he was like i i i kept here you know i'm seeing y'all holler and respond and i he he thought all these guys are just they're acting about acted yeah i was like and i it's just making emmy it made me you know i was reading this in between and I thought I see how because he and his mind had exed this spot off the list and I just think of how many people who couldn't get past chapter one of Luke because they just thought well this is just this this is too much of a fantastic story you know that the definition is given words when you've come to Jesus and

and you've identified him as your savior, your world, you put your faith in him, you die to sin, you're buried, and you're raised. It's pretty interesting that it's mentioned in the Bible that it's like hidden treasure. Yeah. Chase, that's a pretty good point for you. Exactly.

Yeah. By the way, that guy yesterday, he came, Dave Foyerast, I think it was, and he came to be baptized, and I was going through the whole thing in front of the class, and I said, where was the dude that was here to be baptized? And I was just giving them a briefing on the gospel behind me and all that, how that worked,

reception of God's spirit, you know, when you die to sin, you're buried and you're raised. And I was showing them all that. And I said, the greatest news is it's free. And the guy stood up in the audience and said, after hearing what I get out of this, I'm prepared to pay you any. you want. He told me that. I said, no, it's all free, man. Yeah. And everybody gave him a round of applause,

you know. Well, you know what else we have in common with Mary? And I'll read it. This is Colossians 127. Speaking of the mystery of the gospel. Yep. It says, Paul said, to them, God has chosen to make known among the Gentiles, which is us and everyone else not for miserable. The glorious riches speaking of treasure, of this mystery which is Christ in you. Yep. The hope of glory. So that's where we left off last time is when Mary realized that God had chosen her to place Jesus literally in her physically.

Then she said, I am the Lord's servant in verse 38. may it be to me as you have said and then the angel left her so the angel basically described three things that were going to happen she's she's going to have the son of god in her uh he's eternal because he brought that up about your his kingdom will last forever some are so uh shocked at what you just said that they will bow down to Mary. Well, exactly. That's why I made that reference in the overtime. Like she is, God.

She is. And she said in her song that we'll get to that, you know, the first thing she says in her song is that she views God as her Savior, which is, you know, people who are not sinful do not need a Savior. So she was acknowledging her weakness in this. But what's awesome about this is that he also, the angel also revealed that the most high is becoming low. He's becoming a human. And in that, you really see the power of who Jesus is in the gospel because that's where love comes in.

God loves us so much that he becomes low. And it's also a reminder of how sinful we are. this act of God becoming one of us shows you the desperation that we're in. I mean, this is the way to bring us to him. That's how broken we are. I think that was what was so interesting about that interview with William and Craig, because I thought, I mean, I can kind of get the position of someone who was steeped in Jewish tradition and the writings of all the prophecies.

I mean, this is, we have to at least admit that there is a bizarre nature to God becoming flesh and not just becoming flesh, putting himself in the womb of a human creature in the form of the most vulnerable among us, a baby. I mean, there is a, I mean, there, there's this transcendence to that. There's this, there's something so big about that that's beyond us. But then there's like this frame of it that's like right here with us in the form of a baby. And I have to admit, I mean, it's there, it is, it is quite, quite unbelievable. No, I agree. I think that is. I heard Tim Keller give an illustration about this because he said the gifts that you received,

tell something about the giver and the receiver because when you think about it God gave as a gift you know his son and so he used this illustration he's like so if you wake up you know Christmas morning I don't remember the exact examples I'll just give you a version of what he said but he said if you wake up on Christmas morning and you open the first president I'm in a present and it's some kind of what is the thing old people you geritol you get a bottle of geratol you got a bottle of Territol, you're like, huh. Well, then you open the next present,

and it's 101 ways to be positive, you know, and you're like, huh. So you open the next present, and it's hair growth, you know, product. Well, at this stage, you stop and assess, what are the gifts reflecting? It's reflecting that I'm fat, old, grumpy, and bald. You know what I'm saying? So it was something like that.

And nothing says I love you more than that. But his... His air-taught, I don't have that long here. Well, right. You're like, all of a sudden, you're not feeling real warm and fuzzy about all this, but they're telling you a story. So the reason for the illustration,

and I'm sure you got it somewhere else, but is it, say, what is God saying that he has to become a human and die, it's saying that we're really broken, sinful people. And his love is, when you look at it like that, it tells a story about what people give you, about what they think about. Yeah, I think with all the Christmas scenes

that have come and gone, alluding to a baby in a manger, that's always, they've got all cynic ways. They get it. And a lot of the world understands to us, degree that this was really really of some birth here well and then it makes it the uniqueness of the story as zach was saying you just look at the money that's been generated from that from what happened right here and luke you just think about the money that changed hands alluding to the

the baby jesus oh yeah that's huge and well jace you said jace sent me a pot uh sent me a sent me a text. I just pulled it up because it was so powerful. It's so simple, but I got this on Sunday, April 16th. And he said, I had a couple thoughts earlier this morning. I believe this was on a Sunday when you said it. Oh, yeah, I remember sending you that. Yeah, here's the two thoughts.

I'm going to read them. I just feel like this is encapsulated in this what's happening right here in this incarnation of Christ and Mary. One, the human skeptic mind says, just give me a watertight argument for God in his Bible and I'll believe it, et cetera, et cetera. But God chose to give us a person himself instead of an argument, God becoming a man, Jesus, whose actions and character disrupt all arguments that are contrary to the existence of God. And two, therefore, concerning the mystery of the gospel, which James mentioned earlier in Colossians, chapter one and two, this Jesus can be in you, a human being's view and decision of Jesus,

for or against is the single most important influence to one's actions and character in life. And I thought, man, that, that, that's it. I mean, it's, we're looking for all this stuff. We're looking for all, and I, and I love the evidence. I got a stack of books right here, nothing but Christian evidences. But you want to know what to me is the greatest evidence. It's, it's what right here, that there, there is a God who put himself in a human being. I mean, that's just crazy.

Yeah. It is. I don't have an answer for that. I don't have a, I don't have a, I mean, I'm like, it's, it's just, it's just the nature of what that is is beyond human capability to right, comprehend. We don't, we don't possess that kind of creativity. And while you're here, it leads to something very simple. your faith and your growth it gives you peace of mind it really does well i think the biggest problem and the reason i was reflecting on that we just as religious people and i'm using that

term loosely we tend to try to make everything like a pageant you know we show up a church we do the christmas thing i mean i was really just almost angry when i read the the first two chapters of Luke and thought, we do these plays, you know, we lift these characters up and we just seem to miss the real point in our real life. And Zach said something about

Mary, about holding her up, you know, as some people do. Well, you remember that little phrase or a little happening in Luke 11, which we'll get to? But, you know, Jesus is talking about the difference in him and demons.

And he makes this reference, in 27 or this occurrence happens it says as Jesus was saying these things a woman in the crowd called out blessed is the mother who gave you birth and nursed you which we're talking about Mary that's who she was she was giving credit to the to the mother now Jesus of all the things he could have said he could have said yeah she you know let's make this about her or and what's what he says, blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it. And I just thought in that moment, Jesus is acknowledging this is bigger than just making this a cool story for Sunday and a drama. And it all comes down to why this happened. And that's why I said the gift reflects the

giver's heart, which is God, God did this out of love. I mean, he went to come up with a plan. to come to earth, not only did he create us, but to have Jesus be born in a, in a poor way, in a poor place to poor people with no status to come through the birth canal because he wanted to save humanity. I mean, it really is a reflection of God's love and the humility it takes to even acknowledge this is off the charts. How can you bad mouth the baby? They find ways Satan does. But the question is, how would you define that babies?

Yeah. Well, and then all the reasons why he had to do it the way he did it, which again was for us. Well, and it's really the only innocent place he could have entered. It is the greatest story. The greatest story ever told. Contrary to what other people say, you know, babies are innocent. I mean, they're, and God is perfect. So it's like when you start thinking about all the things that had to line up here for God to enter in a way that could be historically documented over thousands of years in various places.

I mean, it's... But then the Hebrew writer tells us to be the perfect sacrifice and the perfect high priest. He had to be made like us in every way. Yeah. You know, be tempted all of it. So I'm super excited about a new sponsor for. for our podcast. It's on for the first time today because they're dear friends of mine and of our families,

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Download it now and check it out. If you think that's something, I'm going to introduce and propose something that will literally make smoke come off your head because I don't believe, to my knowledge, I've ever heard a sermon from Luke 139 through 45. And when I read this, it just shocked me.

Here's what shocked me. What shocked me is the way that Mary and Elizabeth grasp the triune nature of God in this occurrence. And you'll see it. The conversation they had, if you were going to go back to the illustration I made about this being a soap opera, and I still submit your names of this. Al had a couple go-ins. Beyond the impossible. What was the other one?

And the other one was the scheme of redemption. The scheme of redemption. So their conversation, and if you missed the last podcast, the angel seems to imply here that, look, Mary is alone. She's a teenage girl who's poor. She's betrothed to be married. An angel. I mean, this is overwhelming. So the angel says in first 36, I think on purpose, even Elizabeth, your relative, is going to have a child.

in our old age. So, and then this famous verse, for nothing is impossible. So the next thing that happens is first 39. At that time, Mary got ready and hurried to a town in the hill country of Judea where she entered Zacharize home and greeted Elizabeth. So once she heard that, she thought, are you kidding me? I have someone I can relate to in this because here's, you know, part of their family

who's Elizabeth who had lost, they had lost hope that they weren't going to have a baby. She's pregnant with John the Baptist. But before you read the rest of it, I think this is exactly what you were talking about earlier with your story in your illustration about your treasure hunting show is that when you find community, you find treasure no matter what you're looking for.

Because it's just there. That is really, he... It's character that is treasure. He introduced something in this family aspect, and in this having community. And you know what it made me think out to your point right here? How many times have you seen people say, oh, God told me this and he called me to do this?

Well, I'm going to tell you a good idea, is when you think that happened, go ask what a brother or a sister in the Lord thinks about it. And if they say, no. That's not from God. Yeah, I mean, that's what happens is we think, well, God chose us to be in community with each other. And this is one of the reasons that this is reality.

This is, it's too overwhelming for a teenager to have to deal with this by herself. I really believe that's the way God constructed this. Yep. And so, uh, so she, they go, but watch the conversation. Watch how deep this gets. So when Elizabeth heard Mary's greeting, the baby leaped in her womb, which I love this, because God is acknowledging and Luke is. that yes

these are human beings in your wound it's not a glibatitia by the way I saw you and your brother there back when Miss Kay was carrying the load you and you I did see from time to time

thank you Phil she showed me she showed me her time and she showed me y'all moving around foot up against her look at your baby here and I was sitting there looking like her whoa I mean

foot on the side of board, you know, pushing out. Yeah, yeah. But you remember earlier. Her womb was, was her stomach was jumping around and move. And I was like, whoa, I was thinking deep down that boy, I'd hate to be a woman. Carry that load around. So this is John the Baptist leaping in the womb at the sound of Mary's greeting who.

Yeah. Has Jesus in her womb, I guess, to. Or at least about to. Yeah, or about to. So we have all this connecting, these connections happen. The baby leaped in her womb and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit. In a loud voice, she exclaimed, Blessed are you among women and blessed as the child you will bear?

But why am I so favored that the mother of my Lord should come to me? Wow. Now, just think about this statement. real carefully. So the Lord has told them what's going to happen. Right? We already have references of that. And now she's acknowledging the mother of my Lord,

who would be the baby inside Mary, has come to her. And we have the Holy Spirit causing these movements. And that's what it says. And all of a sudden, you're like, Well, it looked like to me, we got the father, the son, and the Holy Spirit all covered in this interaction. That's right. And she's acknowledging that this person in Mary is her Lord.

Yeah. Yeah. That's a great point. What revelation do we have coming out from two women from somewhere in Israel at the time sharing their details about their pregnancies? The background of all this coming to fruit. is getting wilder by the moment. Well, and they're carrying the two most significant people that will be born in human history in their wounds.

And she's acknowledging that the one in your stomach is going to be our lowers. That's right. Because you would think, well, this guy, I got pretty special. But she realizes that he has a role to play. I mean, they get the whole scheme of redemption. Yeah. As the impossible turns here, she, He's figuring it all out, which is absolutely mind-blowing.

You know when I get the Jays, let's take our last. Whenever John the Baptist later, as they're both adult men, baptize him, and then they have that moment where the father, son, the spirit, are represented, remember, the voice from heaven, and then him realizing this really is the Lamb of God. These women understood it. It all happened when he was in the womb. Women got it.

It had already happened. Watch what happened in 44. As soon as the sound. of your greeting reach my ears the baby in my womb leap for joy so she's getting it that there's a supernatural occurrence happening and not only is it happening the supernatural is more complex than we are yeah that's why she could make that statement that my lord told me that you're carrying my lord okay how does that make sense well we know it sounds like when jesus said the lord said to my Lord, which was a quote from David in Psalm 110, that he would be sitting on the throne of,

which was acknowledged earlier in Chapter 1. Which, by the way, Peter would quote in Acts chapter 2 with his very first sermon. Oh, by the way, David was talking about Jesus when he said this. And just you can go back and read the references of 24 and 25 when, you know, when his wife, Elizabeth, you know, became pregnant for five months, remaining in seclusion, the Lord has done this for me. She said in these days. So it's like, She's making that reference, the Lord, and now she's acknowledging the Lord with Mary. So in verse 45, Blessed is she who has believed what the Lord has said to her will be accomplished. And look, this interaction causes Mary to sing this song.

And take about it, Jase, in that time frame in our history, it's as male and female, this was the greatest, what would you call it, Al, for womanhood, for women. This is about the greatest passage you could ever come up with on the woman's role in all of this, because they were mistreated something fierce. Well, and we made, for eons. And we made that point, we made that point that Luke went out of his way to start his narrative. And this is, we're going to find this all throughout his book, his gospel, the role women played in, in the, the life of Jesus and in his coming here.

And it was important. We're tracking. I was fixing it into this. Because a lot of people don't come to Jesus because it's like, well, this story's too fantastical and it's misogynistic. You know, he don't like women. We got one guy over here doing sign language because he was an idiot. No, I mean, I don't mean, you know, he wasn't an idiot.

Because we all would have done the same thing. I mean, look, if somebody taps me on the shoulder and says, says you're fixed to have a kid at 80. I'm like, yeah, have another one on me there, buddy. No when to say when, whatever I would have said. And the next thing you know, I'd have been doing charade. But the role of women, I mean, in this whole story is, I mean, culturally, I mean, this is groundbreaking. Oh, all the stuff that's happened with the women.

No doubt. Which I think it goes back to, the whole thing to me goes back to what Paul said in First Corinthians when he said, where is the, where's the wise one? You know, where's the scribe? Where's the debater? You know, has God not made the foolish things of, let me pull it up here. Yeah, the same. Yeah, the foolish.

Yeah, like, yeah, he says, he said, God chose what is low and despised in the world, even the, even things that are not to bring to nothing the things that are so that no human being might boast in the presence of God. And I think about like this, this is kind of the beginning of that, right? Because you had like this whole prophetic ministry happening up until the time of Malachi. And then it was silence. But that was all like temple and buildings and political and all that stuff. But then all the sudden that God says, all right, it's all, it's about to happen.

And here's what I'm going to do it. I'm going into the womb of a virgin, a young virgin. in a town that nothing good comes out of. I mean, this is how it's going to start. And it's just not the way that we would have pictured it. It's just incredible. I mean, you think about what is happening here. And that ministry of, you said, Jase, that the supreme being who's so high became low.

I forgot how you said it. But we're seeing it here. No, you're exactly right. And that's why I wanted to bring up that what you just described, she's going to sing about because that so she has this uh with with elizabeth this conversation and this understanding that this is way bigger than we thought and that's why jesus made that reference in luke 11 which i think is important look what this did is it it tore down the cultural view of the differences in men and women as far as worth or value or jesus puts everybody on the same plane and then mary

and her song sings about that, which we'll get to, you know, next podcast, but just to give you two verses of that, in 52 and 53, she says in her song, He has brought down rulers from their thrones, but has lifted up the humble. He has filled the hungry with good things, but has sent the rich away empty.

And you're like, what does he mean by that? Because if you think you're something because of your wealth, Jesus brings you down. When you understand who he is, you realize you could have all the money in the world. Guess what? It's not going to forgive your sins. It's not going to give you purpose on earth.

It's not going to bring your body out of the ground. It's not going to give you treasures in heaven. It brings you down. But it also brings the poor up because they said, well, I got nothing. So that's why the first people who responded to Jesus were what? Prostitutes, tax collectors, poor people, because they didn't have any status. That's why he said it's hard, you know, so hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom about like a, needle, a camel going through the eye of a needle.

Sure. So that's what Jesus does. He brings down the powerful and he brings up the humble, in circumstances. And that's what she realized in this process. God didn't come to some great cathedral to go back to your point. And so that's why his act is the most high, becoming the most low, to show you the extent of his love for each and every one of us. And they got that in this community, which shows you also the importance of what the church would later be. And the point about family, being the support system.

I mean, what are we deemed at in heaven? What is the true treasure of heaven? It's experiencing the presence of God with family. Being a forever family. You know, it's interesting, too, because just like we talked about in the witnessing of the resurrection, that it was the Mary's. remember that first found him, which made no sense if you were making this up, because why would you have women as your witness? Incredible point. The only group of people who saw the death, burial, and resurrection was a group of women. That's right. But now look at this situation with even before they're born, so Zachari can't speak, so he can't talk about it, but his wife can.

And Joseph, who we don't even read about in the book of Luke, we read about him. Who was a very high character? It was allowed shut up. So you got, so. We're not knocking them. We're just saying like, because in Joseph's case, I believe he's the most underrated person in the Bible. He's amazing. I mean, and plus to with, you know, not to do anything sexually with her, even after they got married.

He just said, no, we're waiting to the son of God is born before I even go anywhere near this situation. I'm saying. Well, that's my point is he was forced into silence. Zachariah was literally silent. Joseph was forced into silence because what's he going to say? He knows the truth. The angels revealed to him, but is anybody going to believe him? Well, and that's why they're in seclusion too, Al, is because nobody's going to believe it.

Nobody's going to believe it. They're not going to believe it. That's right. And so, and it was part of the scheme redemption. That's why you have to almost put it in a soap opera mindset to even wrap your head around it. But when you do, and you realize this is based on eyewitnesses and the historical implications that all line up. And look, all the disgrace and the persecution and there was not any pageantry involved.

This is just real life. God came to earth via the birth canal of a woman who was a virgin. Yep. Accept it. Deal with it. And when you realize the power in that, and look, the community that happened with this family and the way God used this family, you can look. at your own life and family and say you know what I got there's there's hope for me here

God God use my family all things are possible exactly and look it just the process repeats itself all right so we're out of time on this episode of Beyond the Impossible our new soap opera otherwise knows unashamed what I do want to remind you the week of May 7th we're not going to be releasing unashamed anymore on Sundays it's going to be released now Thursday, so it'll be Monday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. So we'll be looking for that change. If you want to follow us over, we're going to discuss a little bit more of this, this, what did you call it?

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