Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 68 | Church in the Age of Coronavirus & Why Quarantining Phil's Free Speech Is a BAD IDEA

Episode Date: March 27, 2020

American Christians are armed with God AND guns, and that's a great thing. Phil explains exactly what he'd do to defend his right to free speech. Churches are closed, but Phil, Jase, and Al embrace what worship looks like in the age of coronavirus. After hearing why, you will too. Jase offers a theory on the Nephilim and belts out "O Canada." And the guys tackle a listener question: What happened to the people who died before Jesus' sacrifice on the cross? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? You know, we're doing our part like everybody else, and so we're not meeting as a big body of believers here in this area. And so we're basically live streaming, which we already had the stuff to do it, which was good, because we've been live streaming for a while. It's on our church website, WFRChurch.org and the Facebook page.

But it's weird because so last Sunday, we basically just kind of gave the message of here's what we're going to be doing until further notice. So this week, I'm up, but I'm going to go. It's just going to be me. Well, you all? Well, you all have a crowd at all? No. I mean, maybe a couple of people from the office, but it'll just be me and a camera.

Because of the governmental edict, right? Right. And, you know, trying to do our part. We're protecting the vulnerable. I think it's a good idea. I mean, most of the stuff that they've implemented does not affect me whatsoever. They're like, all right, because they're thinking about banning going to restaurants. I'm like, I don't go to restaurants.

You know, you can't go see a movie. Okay. I don't like going to movies. I don't go to me. I mean, so it's all the thing. You're right. It has little effect on it. So, but, you know, in this with not meeting together.

Because we do that. You know, I've been doing that. I do not. You know, what's the verse in Hebrew? Hebrews 10, which is funny. I brought up a point that last week when y'all were speaking, the fellow pastor, Mike, he was like, let me just get something clear, you know, because he's real intense guy. Yeah, I like his preaching.

He was your and Willie's youth minister. That's right. He was the youth director when I, because I started meeting at our church, I guess I was a senior in high school. Something like that. And he was the youth director. but he's like in y'all's podcast presentation last Sunday he says now look because he's real direct you know he's like the mission of the church is not meeting on Sunday mornings well when I heard that I thought well I've been hearing you preach for 30 years and every time the topic comes up he's like

no when we meet you need to be here and probably does Hebrews 10 right 24 yeah Hebrews 10 24 do not give up the meeting together as some are in the habit of doing. King James says forsaken. Then I'm like, the coronavirus comes up and you're like, let's be clear. The mission of the church is not meeting together. And I thought, what happened to all this? You need to be here stuff, you know.

Well, one thing to remember in all this, it could be a reminder from God. Maybe not. But it could be that when the church started in Acts 2, the kingdom of God ushered in with violet winds, fire on top of the apostles. heads. They all begin to speak in all the languages from across the world. This thing is going worldwide. Jesus said, wait here. The power will come. You'll know it when it comes. I'm paraphrasing. And you'll begin here in Jerusalem, then Judea, Samaria, and to the ends of the earth. We're going worldwide with this. Go preach the gospel. I'm paraphrasing. Seven chapters later,

on that day a great persecution broke out against the church at Jerusalem. And all, all now, except the apostles were scattered throughout Judea and Samaria. And because they were sort of camped out in Jerusalem, Al, and the Almighty said, no, when I said, we're going to go start in Jerusalem, I didn't say we're going to stop there. So I think it was God motivating bringing along a persecution that forced them out of Jerusalem into Judea and the surrounding countryside, and it did go worldwide. I'm just saying, God, it could be sending us a message. You all get all cooped up in these church buildings, but you forget Romans 12 in view of God's mercy,

offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and peace in the God, which is your spiritual act of work. First, I think in a lot of ways, we may be more powerful like the ones who are operating under the radar in China, North Korea, and other areas. They don't have church building with steeples to identify where Christians meet because they're so easily taken advantage of that they would know where to go to kill you. I believe that's why the in Daniel two. Maybe some of that going on here. In Daniel, too, when he said he'd set up a kingdom that. never be destroyed, which, and then Peter has the keys, and he unlocks it next to, and the church

is born. I believe that's why it's imperishable and indestructible is because centered around religion and all these groups inside that are people who have the Holy Spirit of God. That is correct. Who are imperishable, who you can't figure out who they are. That's correct. They're actually hidden. That's why the church will never be destroyed. When I was in the Ukraine 25 years ago, there was no church buildings other than the state orthodox religion.

And they were gold and, you know, the people are starving to death. But there, there was no organized church. There was no buildings because I was there right after it became legal to have a church. So look, we met in flats on the basketball court. There was, you know, a gym there. We just met every day. That was first century light. And another point to be made is that, for instance, if you wanted to decapitate the Catholic Church,

you would blow up the Vatican and all the upper echelon, wait till they all get in there, and then blow them all up, and you'd cut the head off of Catholicism. It would be that easy. If they want to get to the church, the kingdom of God, you'd have to get to the king. Well, he's not on the earth. He's at the right hand of the father. Untouchable, unreachable.

We are his people scattered in ever direction, and he's calling the shots. That's a far more safer system and a more powerful one, in my opinion, diffuse out in the neighborhoods where he's needed. But they may agree with that. They may say you would just replace the people. I'm pretty sure they believe Jesus is the headquarters.

would but he's right i mean the more centralized you but i'm saying they're centralized enough where their leadership is in one spot they're viciously and it's easily found because you're looking at it like whoa yeah i see your point but i was just saying they would probably agree that the headquarters i'm just giving you a possibility not on the planet right so i mean that could be some of it i mean i've thought about it because the american church let's face it we have put too much focus just as a as the believers probably on the meeting. Way too much. So it need to be more about the lifestyle.

It's the one thing I do not like about organized religion is everything is attached to what goes on inside the walls. It's not the best way to go. But think about it's a model. You have thousands of different groups. It's a model. How did the thousands of groups happen? Think about it.

They didn't agree with what was down the road. so they formed their own group. Well, they didn't agree with what was going on here, so they moved down the road. And now this keeps splintering and keeps happening. We ought to all come together, all the 25 or 30,000 different kinds of denominational groups, we ought to all get together.

Come together on Jesus. Stand on Jesus, dying for the sins of the world, being buried and raised from the dead. And look, and we meet everywhere from time to time. We now have a big event, but you say, we're seeing the seeds being planted this time in our history. Freedom of speech is endangered.

Faith comes from hearing that would really hurt us. We would have to whisper. And a lot of places in the world out, they're whispering the scriptures. They're underneath the governmental radar. We're getting to a point now to where if it keeps going at the same pace, unless there's a mass repentance, we're going to have to be hiding. Well, we talk about a lot of our brothers and sisters. in China, in the Middle East, under these regimes in North Korea.

I mean, there are brothers and sisters in Christ in all those places, but you're talking about keeping a low profile. And one of the most powerful things we have right now, as long as they don't censure us, which that may happen. Good. We could get censored. I'll be gone, but by the time I'm gone, and by 2050 is what the number that scares me,

2050 you say, if there's not a mass repentance, I mean, even Christianity will be censored. Freedom of speech long gone. They're working on it. And you say, man, that is really going to hurt the church and its message. My thinking is, before it's all over, at the current pace, we're going to end up diffused and out in the neighborhoods, whispering the scriptures instead of proclaiming it from the rooftops. Oh, that's just my game.

This much I know from what the Bible tells us is that the church, herself, the body of Christ, the wholesome of Christ, the kingdom of God, will never be snuffed out. That is correct. That is correct. Because it's going to be here when the Lord comes back. When Jesus first got here, the first thing he did was get a bunch of commercial fishermen, he said, come follow me, I'll make you fishers of men.

Which that's never stopped. That's what we do. If you get it to an organization and wait for people to show up, I just don't think that's the model. Well, think about the term. Think about it, Jay. We're under quarantine, as I speak, governmental quarantine. What do they call it? Social distancing.

Social distancing. Shelter lockdown. What they call it? Shelter or something. But stay where you are. The good news is because of these little black boxes y'all care around. I've never said, I've mentioned this last time. I don't want everybody else to get rid of black boxes because this is the gospel is still being,

it's still being beamed out from us. But you're still, look, last night. We got lock gates locked down. We're about as locked down as you can get, but the gospel is still being preached. I like that method. But last night, what we did, because, Al, you're preaching, well, our team is singing. And so last night, I don't know, there was 10 or 12 of them that came to our house. and nobody that was sick

that was a pre well two of the singers didn't come because they well they had a fever and they thought I haven't been tested so we're out they were both young but we you know we had a couple older but anyway battling everything else you know what was surreal is they came to my house and they practiced seven songs because they were going to go to a studio after and have the songs taped

and filmed the same guy who are filming our podcast right here, they film them singing in the studio. And you say, why are you doing it? Because that's going to be our worship time for your service. And the reason we went to a studio is because when you sing a cappella and you're at our church building where the equipment is probably outdated. You think? You know, we thought maybe we ought to at least try to make it to sound as good as possible,

even though it's from the heart. But one thing I did note was when they gathered up, at our house, the singing, you know, we've all been in such seclusion, and they sing just loud. I mean, it was, when I walked outside, it was just echoing in the neighborhood. And it wasn't 12, 15 of them. And I thought, boy, what a, what a scene this is when all this chaos and fear, there's something about hearing God's people, sing from the heart, worshiping God, and even risking, you know, the rule of having, because, you know, we got to get together to sing

to try to bring healing and comfort to our group. And so they were doing that, and they were all volunteers, nobody's getting paid. In fact, you know, we're paying the studio or whatever to do it. But I just thought this is something I'm glad I'm a part of. Which, and also shows you the power of being together. That was the idea on the first. century and it still is you know and and usually it was smaller groups like what we're doing now anyway we're kind of being forced to do it but the idea is there is a lot of power in that

the idea one of the guys there who is a very talented in writing music because we take contemporary songs that you're on the radio and we'll have acapella version of it and he's a key component of that because he's he can write music and he he does it in a way that's not like oh here's a group of people trying to sing an a cappella contemporary song in a cheesy way because that's mostly what you'd think but it's amazing how creative they are but he's like hey i've been studying the bible and i wanted to run a few things by you know so i was like sure and which is what my point is that everybody's in such a clusion you still have opportunities when you meet people either on the cell phone or in this case,

let me finish my thought, where he, here we have a conversation, then he goes and sings, then comes to my house, and we have a Bible study until 2.30 in the morning, you know? Which is powerful. Let's take a quick break, and then we'll get that's point.

My point is, as long as speech is not quarantine and withheld or disallowed, you can't do it, No more free speech. That'd be a killer on us as far as being diffused. We're not at a church building here. There's no steeples here.

We're beaming out the gospel from down here in the woods. You say, well, what would happen if a group of armed men appeared out here, and they decided they're going to forcefully get you off the air. Well, then a hail of gunfire would meet that, and you'd be in a, and you say, well, the ones ever will say, well, the ones ever say, left standing if we got them instead of them getting us, it would keep being beamed out. We would probably change locations, but it gets that dangerous out across the world. I mean, all over the world, I mean, how many churches would they have to come in and shoot up or blow up?

Well, you bring up a really interesting point about America is different than any other country that's ever been built. because the Second Amendment was there and because these were frontiersmen and our early founders hunted and protected themselves, basically went to war with the people where they came from. But the American church is interesting

because most time people have been led to the slaughter under a bad regime. But American Christians are armed. I mean, in other words, we're armed with the Word of God. That's the sword of the spirit. But we're also armed with like weapons. But how many times are we made?

made fun of about God and guns and you know it's lumped together all the time they're like oh they have their God and their guns so it's going to be interesting all we want all we want is to be left along from any governmental interaction or clampdown to be able to freely speak of whatever it is on our mind ideas we don't you have a different idea we'll sit down we'll hear it we'll listen to you and see what we come up with. I don't mind talking with atheists. I don't hate them. We believe there's no gods.

Yeah, I've been there, and we just start from there. Sure. But we at least carry on a decent conversation. Well, and the right to bear arms. I mean, that's what a lot of people think about these laws. I mean, around here, there's, you know, you have to have a weapon just to get through nature. You have to have it here. And so you're like, you're trying to take my gun.

I'm going to die of a snake bite or a bear mulling way before any. else happens. You know, I'm like, you're taking something that I must have. Plus, we have guns, too. Thomas Jefferson said, as a last resort to keep you from going under tyranny from your government. He said, that's a last resort. But he did say you better have them. That's why I'm saying if a group of men come charging in here and basically what they would be

saying is shut up. And we're like, look, we're down here. we're not bothering anybody we're beaming out good news about jesus and you're saying you want to shut us up we're not going to shut up well that's when i talked about the hail of gunfire i've always thought that look i've always thought that's what i'm willing to do to defend it the right to say in my feeble mind i've always thought because i'm kind of a you know like a good war maybe like anybody else but i've always thought the power in america and we always think well it's we have the greatest defense, you know, budget and our military superior, and it all is.

But I thought where the foundation of this is, is if they ever breach that, whatever enemy, whatever war we had, can you imagine these people like us, them trying to round us up? I mean, just because all my friends and will. Every last one of us would fight to the death. I mean, you're talking about a sniper that's not known as a sniper. but you get down here on my turf, you know what I mean? Armed deer hunters at about a 75 million man force, a standing army. It would be a problem for them.

Of hunters in America that are armed. You say some foreign governor or your own government goes rogue and said, I tell you what we're going to do. We're going to go out there. We start taking the Second Amendment out, the First Amendment out, there's no more God and guns. We're going to do away with that. I would say that's 75 million standing army.

Army would rise up. And it'd be a bone to be chewed. It's an interesting thought. Because we never think that, though. But I'm like, that's what makes America. I hope it never comes to that. I think, me either, but I do think that's what makes America powerful. Because we have the first defense, which is better than anybody else's in the world.

Then you have that defense, which nobody ever even thinks about. But you have a lot of armed hunters. And people like me, I'm good in wilderness combat. You know? So I think we should sing the national anthem now. I mean, you've just got me all fired up here. My patriotism is. I got asked.

I almost want to break out and God bless America. Well, somebody asked me on one of the questions to sing the Canadian national anthem because they heard I had done that before. Because we have a lot of Canadian listeners, by the way. Well, that started. That was a joke in our family because we've always had a special place for Canada in our hearts because they send us the ducks every year. Every time they come from Canada and I baptize them, which happens quite often,

they show up and they say we're Canadians, you know. As soon as they identify themselves as Canadians, I always tell them, I said, you know, I know you're from Canada, but you look perfectly normal. You lost me. Yeah, it's a joke. And we preach the gospel. I'm going to implement this on our podcast. So when you see me do this, that means what you said went over my head and I'm trying to catch it.

It's like people coming from California and they say, I'm from California and I'm like, well, good, that you look perfectly normal. You look like you're up from here. I didn't get that, Joe. I'm enlightening them a little bit on what I see coming out of California. And I see one of them and I'm like, well, you look normal. Well, I hated to state the obvious, but I had no idea what you're talking about. But what I was going to say is when we would kill some ducks, because we'll make a distinction. distinction. Phil, he'll say, Continentals, that's mainly what we shoot.

U.S. mileage. That means they're little, you know, they got a leg gone. You know what I mean? They're just kind of rough looking. But when you kill the big, chuckly-headed red leg. Canadian prairie. Well, that got started. Phil would say, oh, that's Canada.

And I would go, I would just have a moment in the blind and go, Oh, Canada. So that's how that guy started. And so then my mom heard about it. And she's like, sing that oh, Canada. I love that. Which I don't know any of the other. That was.

The only thing he knows is the first life. Oh, Canada. We owe these Canadians because of the mallard ducks that raise in those prayers up there. We owe them. Oh, every time I see something about Canada, I take notice because I don't want to, I want to be friends with them. Yeah, don't get them. because the ducks that's where they're coming from i mean that has said his own record is saying because people say phil for president or you know they'll hold up pose or stuff he goes and speaks and

down said well i'll tell you what if i ever do run for president my my foreign platform is we're going to take all the money that's been giving all around the world and give it all to Canada to raise more ducks that's it so that's his that's his foreign policy keep the Canadians have you whatever happens they lean in left up in there i'll i'll tell you that oh there's a lot of them When I was dating my wife, you know, because she can sing like a bird, when she asked me to, because I said, you know, I can sing pretty good. She was like, oh, I'll sing something. Well, that's what I sang. And she was looking at me just with a bewildered, frightened look.

And I said, didn't understand where it's coming from. Never understood it. No, I think she meant you can't sing. And you said you could. But I thought she meant, do I have the ability to sing? I didn't know there was you could sing well. Yeah. I thought, oh, I know how to sing.

Oh, Canada. I can sing. And she's like, don't ever do that again. That's what she said. Al, what about the one? That caused Missy, little Miss Sharpie. So I want to give Jesse, we're going to do a few questions. I want to give Jesse a shout out from Michigan

because you sent me a great email, and the podcast is helping Jesse. And a lot of people kick up. a lot of bad sin stuff. So Jesse, we appreciate you watching. We're going to take a quick break, and then I got a good question from Greg we're going to dive into. Before you take the question, I wanted to read First Peter 2, 4 and 5, because before we finish up the thought about the church is not a building, we're not, that is the problem. So nobody panicked that we're meeting in homes now and we're listening to virtual. You take it. I just wanted to read First Peter 2, 4 and 5, because it says, as you come

to him, the living stone, which is the opposite of just a stone building. Jesus is the living stone, capital S, rejected by men but chosen by God and precious to him, you also like living stones are being built into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. I just think that's a great illustration. And he's the corner stone. I love that song, by the way. That's one of my worship favorites. You bet you.

Chris. And you're right, because even the terminology that's being used, houses of worship, your places of worship, but you missed the whole point in the New Testament, which is that's us now. So you don't want to limit it to a place. And so don't panic. Like a lot of people are really struggling because they're like, oh, the government's telling us what we can do, what we can't know. They're just asking this.

One little small sentence covers it when the Apostle Paul stood up in front of the Ariopagus in Athens, Greece, way back. By the way, I went there and stood in the same spot. He's standing there, and I had the same message he had. But never forget, God does not live in temples built by human hands. He does not live there. How do they get around that? It baffles me. I think of John Ford. We ought to take this as a good moment among Christians. We ought to take this as a great moment to understand the kingdom of God marches on, and we don't have to have structures to function. We offer our bodies as living sacrifices.

We point people to Jesus, whether we're at work, whether we're playing, or whether duck hunting or whatever we're doing. Nothing changes. The gospel keeps being... John Ford, which we're fixed to get to, she said, where are we going to, you know, where are we going to worship?

Where it play? And Jesus is like, it's not going to be a place. There's a time coming, not going to be a place. And there's already come. Spirit and truth. You have the spirit and you have the truth, which Jesus said, I am the truth. I mean, you have it.

24-7. 24-7. You can ask you. So do you want me to do my question? What was your question? Mine is about the Nephilim. Look, it's the deep water. Do we want to stand in the shallows?

Well, let's ask this one. We'll do Greg's first, then we'll do yours. Okay. So yours is probably a longer discussion. So this is, Greg asked a great question. What about all those who die? before Christ's sacrifice on the cross. Excellent question.

I love it. What about the thief on the cross? I'll read two little texts, Greg, to help you. Consider Abraham, dude. He believed God. Now, what's this phraseology, Greg? And it was credited to him as righteousness. I'm in Galatians 3, about verse 6.

You say credited to him. he was his sins were not going to be removed unless blood was shed and the the sacrificial lamb was Jesus himself this is way before Jesus showed up so he said but God credited to him along with all the other men and women of faith there Greg understand then that those who believe are children of Abraham the scripture for Saul when when God told Abraham you're going to be saying the Father of many nations, all nations, that God would justify the Gentiles by faith and announce the gospel, which is the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus, in advance to Abraham, all nations will be blessed. Take that one, and the other one quickly is

in the Hall of Faith over in Hebrews Chapter 11. Let me take that one, because I want to read it. I want to go backwards. 39, Jays. But I want to go backwards because Hebrews 13 8 says Jesus Christ is the same. Here's the time frame. Yesterday, today, and forever. Past, present, future. Then you read Hebrews 12 that says, let us to, 122, let us fix our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfector of our faith, who for the joy set before him endured the cross. Because his question was, what about all the people who died before Christ sacrifice on the cross? The verse before 12.2 is one says, since we are surrounded, surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses.

Well, chapter 11, which is where you said, are the ones before Jesus. And in verse 39 and 40, but I hate just going here because you need to read the whole chapter. Hebrew is 11 because it sums up every main character before the cross. Keeping in mind that Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, today, and forever, because I believe when he died, he died for yesterday, today, and forever. You are correct. Hebrews 1139, these were all commended for their faith. The men of faith.

All, I mean, the Red C. Barrick, Samson, Jephth, David, Samuel, Moses, Isaac, Jacob, Abraham, Noah, Enoch, Abel. I mean, these were all commended for their faith, yet none of them received what had been promised. So if you just left it there, you see why you have that question. Well, what about them? And according to this, they didn't receive what was promised. But the next verse says, God had planned something better for us.

We went yesterday and today in one verse. Half a verse. Yeah. So that only together with us would they be made perfect. Well, we know Jesus is what made us perfect. Jesus is what made them perfect. It's all done through faith, because Hebrews 11, the start of it, talks about faith. And then he makes an argument, the Hebrew writer, on every one of these guys saying,

by faith, they did this. They didn't put their faith in Jesus, but they kind of did. And I'll give you one example. In Hebrews 11, 17, it says, by faith, Abraham, when God tested him, offered Isaac as a second. See, y'all know the story. He said, look, he's got by your offspring. All nations are going to be blessed. Well, then go kill your son.

And knock out the seed line right now. Knock out the seed line. Well, by faith, look what happened. In verse 19, Abraham reasoned that God could raise the dead. He did that by faith. That's why he was willing to offer it. So really, Abraham has the same faith. I'm reasoning that God raises the dead because I was interested.

introduced to Jesus and I'm going to die. Well, Abraham reasoned it and he didn't even, he hadn't even heard that's how the gospel was announced to him in advance. That's right. So it's the same principle, you know, and you read the whole book of Hebrews that gives you a better idea of why Jesus is better than Moses, why he's better, you know, all the arguments are made there and why Jesus died. It was a, you know, he's indestructible Hebrew 7, but he also, you know, gave his life once for all Hebrews 9 as a sacrifice for not only our sins but the sins of the past. So Greg in a sentence while Jace is elaborating on, the blood that was shed on the cross by Jesus Christ went back all the way back in time, picked up all the men and women of faith

who had put their faith in God, not receiving remission of sins at that point, but it was credited to them. the blood goes back, picks up every last one of them who had lived by faith up until the time Jesus did die, was buried and raised from the dead. It saved the ones in the past, like Jay said, saved the ones at this writing here, Hebrews, first century, although the book of Rome, all the New Testament. And the future. And you're like, man, remember God to go through Peter said,

the promise is for you, your children, and all those who are far off whom God will call. He was already looking way into the future, and here we all sit, having the same blessing that Abraham and all the faithful received, the people in the first century when Jesus did die, and the ones 2,000 years later. What a story. How the world could man have dreamed that up, Greg? I think. Hang on, Jason.

Let's take a quick break, and you can respond to it. Wrap it up, Jason. I think where people miss this in a practical way is they don't, they understand that Jesus died for their past. Now I'm going to modern day. And somebody comes to cars, yep, he died of a bat. And I think people can get that if you do a sin, you know, not on purpose or you're trying, but, you know, in the present you can confess and people justify you're forgiven.

I think where we struggle today is the future. Because despite our knowledge of Jesus and our body being endowed by the Holy Spirit, we are going to make mistakes. But Jesus doesn't function in any other capacity in that he is the same yesterday and forever. His death was for your past sins, everybody in the past also, your present sins and your future sins. and I tend to think that makes you relax a little bit. Well, and look at it, you know, as we're looking at everything from a human perspective, so we're inside time.

So when I'm teaching this, I'll draw a line on the board, and it's easy for us to draw a line of time because we have the Bible and we have history. And I start with Adam, who's the first person mentioned, and you start mentioning people, and I'm writing down names along that line. And then all of a sudden I get to the cross, which is when Jesus came, and then you keep going forward because that's 2000. years ago. But that as you look at the center of this line, you see the cross there. So from our perspective, the blood goes both ways. I mean, like we just described. The problem is when you start

reading things like Ephesians 1, you know, it says in Christ, we are predestined. A lot of people get hung up about that. Wait a minute. But you got to understand, Jesus is God. So he's been outside of time. God can look at the entire human history and future at the same time. That's right. Because they're outside of it. So that's their view of it. So people get into a lot of trouble with the idea of or really hurts their thinking about foreknowledge and predestination.

But remember, from God's perspective, that's not a big deal at all. Jesus knew before we were even created, according to Ephesians 1, that he would come here and that he would offer sacrifice for sin. So it's not near as big a deal to God as it is to us. That gives one comfort. I want to tie this in with what we said about not meeting in building in building. because of the coronavirus and Jesus is sacrificed. In Hebrews 924, it says, for Christ did not enter a man-made sanctuary that was only a copy of the true one.

Because he's going back to the old law, which is what we do today in our modern church buildings. Well, actually calls where all the pews are. They'll call it the sanctuary. The sanctuary. I thought wherever God is is the sanctuary. Yeah. And since he's inside of me, guess what? I am the sanctuary.

That's why I read that in First Peter, too. I'm a living stone. I'm not some dead building. Jason, you're raising your voice. I know. I'm getting excited. You're getting a little bit free to you. But look, he said, for Christ is not enter a man-made sanctuary,

that was only a copy of the true one. He entered heaven itself now to appear for us in God's presence. Now, you say, well, what does that got to do with dying? for the sins past, present, and future, and him enter in heaven. Watch out what it says. Nor did he enter heaven to offer himself again and again. So he's not, when he went up where he is now at the right hand of God, he's not offering himself over and over.

He did that once. And that took away past, present and future sins. Because watch, it says, the way the high priest enters the most holy place every year with blood that is not his own. then Christ would have had to suffer many times since the creation of the world, which is why this question came up. He needed to read Hebrews 9, because at what time frame would Jesus have, would he have to appear to every generation and cleanse them? So he explains it.

But now he has appeared once, once for all, at the end of the ages, to do away with sin by the sacrifice of himself. It's just a point-blank statement. The sin of the past, the sin of the present, and the sin of the future. Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment, so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people. And he will appear a second time not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting on.

So I think that answers the question. I said, after that little dissertation, I was already convinced, but it just makes me more convinced that human beings, they don't dream that up. That's right. This is impossible for the human race to have said, let's come up with a story and all tell the biggest lie altogether, and we're going to lie about this.

You don't come up with the story that will beat that one. To all the atheists out there, they say, there's no God. We love you, but how does your story stack up with the story Jason put forth? How does it stack up with it? I mean, give me a break. yeah it's crazy it's what it is it doesn't so let's take a take one last break and then we'll finish this up this nephilum we got a question and people are just i don't know why they're so enamored by the nephilum in genesis six but look this is something where you know how people say well it's not a salvation issue

well this this is just a theory i'm going to give you a theory on what i think so if you disagree agree okay but the discussion i had last night with two o'clock in the morning was the same guy who's done some study on this that people are the things you discuss we wind up discussing it two o'clock in the way i know so here's the issue here's just what everybody wants to know what does this mean so we're we're going to take crack at it genesis six says when men began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them verse two the sons of god God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful, and they married any of them that they chose. Now, that phrase, sons of God, people say, okay, is that it could be the theories out there,

it could be Cestisandons, could be Cains, you know, or. Because there seemed to be kind of a godly wing versus a very ungodly wing. Okay. I'm of the count. I believe that when, because in Genesis 3.3, you know, because in Genesis 3. Now this is, look, this is what I think. You may disagree. We call that opinion alert.

Yeah, this is from the book of Jace and second opinions, but I am going to give you some facts. Fact one, the evil one was present in Genesis 3, and he had the ability to inhabit a snake. Agreed? Correct. I know from Revelation 12 that in this picture of Revelation, which I believe Genesis is the same picture. I think there were other people around that are not talked about, and that's who they were marrying. You know, because you get about the third generation here, and then they have a city with people. You're like, where'd all these other people come from?

So that's what I think. But in Revelation 12, it talks about the evil one and his angels being hurled down to the earth. They were falling ones. Well, the root word of Nephilim, what it means is to fall. I think that's an interesting point. That's what the word means. So I believe the sons of God were actually the fallen angels. Now you say, well, that's quite a statement.

Here's why I say that. And let me try to prove it. In Job, there's three references to that same phrase, Sons of God. And I'm going to read those three. Job 1-2. No, I mean, Job 1-6. I've got to sing the songs. Esther, Joe, let's see, Psalms.

You have to sing the song. Seems about no. Okay. I pretty much got it without a song. Job 1-6, look, one day the angels or the Hebrew, see that in your margin? The sons of God came to present themselves. In two, one, same phrase. On another day, the angels, see the little letter by angels?

Did you all say that? See that what it said? Sons of God. And in 387, same word. Now, an interesting thing in Daniel 3, Ezekiel Daniel, Jose, Joe, M.S. Ovidah, Ezekiel Daniel, 325, member of the fiery furnace. There was three people that went into the furnace, and then they looked down there and said, oh, there's a fourth. Well, the phrase that was used there in Daniel 325, which is where I think, if you look in Greek history, maybe where they get

like all the Greek gods and all why do I have no I said Daniel Ezekiel Daniel 3 you need to sing the song and apparently your melody's out there

when you start doing something like this all here we go he said look I see four men walking around in the fire unbound and unharmed and the fourth looks like a son of the gods so same phrase what was he saying it it looks like some kind of angel well it was Jesus

in that case but I'm just saying the phrase was the same word okay so you got that so and you have the evil one present now watch this in Jude 6 and 7 and now if you look at 2nd 2 4 through 10 y'all are there's an interesting analogy that is given the comparison is in the same time frame is let me look at Jude well jays you spent a lot of time thinking about this one oh I know it's just remember it's gonna get better it just just let me get the longer you pontificate the less the less the argument comes you begin when this comes together you're look this is a deal how long is it going to take give me three more minutes

it's what you got the podcast is over three minutes when you get there when you get there when you get there you're going to go all right look jude six and seven and the angels who did not keep their position of authority but abandon their own home these he has kept in darkness bound with their relation change in a similar way Sodom and gamar and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion so i thought it was weird that he made a uh a comparison to uh you know fallen angels and you want me you ready to read the second peter yeah second peter did the same thing he said if god did not spare angels when they sinned but sent them to hell which the greek word for that is tatarus well like a holding place right putting them into gloomy dungeons or

chains of darkness he to be hell for judgment so and then you mentioned the flood after that so now after said all that i'm going to go to numbers numbers of all places places. 13, because the Nephilim is mentioned again. And let's see, where's that at? Numbers, Deeronimo. Numbers may be out of your Bible now. No, I have it.

Numbers, let's see, where are we at? Numbers 13, 22. Why do I have that here? Yeah, Numbers 13, 22. it says they went up to the Negev and came to Hebron. And then he names all these guys the descendants of Anik, who's the father of, I think his name is like A-Bar, A-Rab, something like that. So let me find where the Nephilim are mentioned here.

Do you see it anywhere? They're mentioned somewhere in here, numbers 11, and numbers 13. Let's see, I got 22 down. No, we read that. 28. Let's read 28. Anak, that was his name. All right, verse 28 of numbers. But the people who live there are powerful and the cities are fortified and very large.

We even saw descendants of Anak there. The Amalekites live in the Negev. Then in verse 30, Caleb silenced the people before Moses said, We should go up and take possession of the land. But the men who had gone up with them, we can't attack these people. they are stronger than we are. And they spread among the Israelites a bad report about the land that they had explored. 33 is your bird.

Yeah. We saw the Nephilim there, the descendants of Anik, come from the Nephilim. We seem like grasshoppers. So look, you have these giants. All right. And I believe it was because the spiritual being, the fallen, were somehow with humans. And before you said, well, how did that happen?

Because I think that was a shadow of what happened in Jesus. Here's Jesus was conceived with a woman, and no sex happened. But he made it right. Where I think in this, it was wrong. All these people, their ancestors were treble. And it says they were heroes, but not in a good way, because when you read all the history of all those stories of those two guys I just mentioned, all trouble, which is later would come the Philistines and remember a certain giant.

And I'll tell you another, in Deuteronomy 311, look up, Og. He had a bed that was made of iron and was 13 feet long. Giant. Well, Glythe was a giant, too. He was a big one. Yeah. So I'm saying all that to say that when I heard that about Jesus, I thought, Okay. Somehow another, I know these people were hurled down because I got a snake talking in chapter three.

And now we have these giants who says the sons of God were with the daughters of men and they produced these giant, these beasts. And Caleb got a person, we can't fight these people, but he did. Because with God on his side, they eventually beat them. But it wasn't that they were stronger. So you see my point. So I think that was who they were. I think they were on the planet. I think the reason we even have giants today,

you seem that it's part of that crew. You know, somewhere. This kind down through history. Yeah. It is interesting that the Greeks and the Romans and all of their, you know, I don't know what you'd call that, you know, where they had all this, that's what was happening in there. You'd have this, Zeus comes down, have sex with a woman,

and then she produces this son, and he was a half this and a demigod. All their stuff comes out of that mindset. So maybe this word did come. And you guys who want to look me up, you can look up Joshua 15, 13, and 14. It gives the names, the actual names of the Nafelam. And in Ezekiel 32, it uses another reference of the root word for Nafelam in the realm of the dead, which is the fallen, which is why I read that in Jude. I would say when it takes that long to make your argument, I would say at this current phase of my life, it's suspect the best.

but it did have a little merit. I could be wrong. He did say he could be wrong. Our people ask us for an, you know, an explanation. We're not the final voice on what that means. We have gotten questions about it. And I think what I've studied, that was the best I could come up with. And it doesn't bother me that those people are here or were here.

It doesn't bother me at all because I know Jesus, by his death and resurrection, trumped all that. And they may be bigger and stronger, but you can't swat buckshot or death without Jesus. So there you go. I guess the message today from Unashamed is slay your giants in Christ. I like it. Good stuff. So we're so glad you guys were with us today. You can subscribe on iTunes or Spotify or YouTube or Facebook.

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