Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 688 | Phil’s ‘Stupid Human Trick,’ Jase & Jep’s Sweaty Trip to the Middle of Nowhere

Episode Date: May 25, 2023

Phil’s truck bears the evidence of his dodgy lumberjack techniques, and he’s lucky to still be here! Jase just got back from an unexpectedly sweaty, uncomfortable trip with Jep and his new hybrid truck. Poor Jep came home with his tail between his legs! The guys go over several more demon possession stories from Luke and the rest of the Bible and discuss whether perhaps Jesus’ life and death changed something about the supernatural world. Phil wonders why disease and misery are still so widespread if so many people believe science holds all the answers. Last chance: Vote for "Unashamed" as K-LOVE's podcast of the year by FRIDAY 5/26: https://www.klovefanawards.com/vote In this episode: Matthew 4, verse 23; Matthew 2, verses 43-33; Acts 16, verses 16-24; 2 Kings 6, verses 15-17; Genesis 3, verse 22 https://philmerch.com – Get your “Unashamed” mugs, shirts, hats & hoodies! "The Blind" hits theaters on 9/28/23. Get sneak peeks, updates & insider exclusives: https://theblindmovie.com — Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? So, Jay, you've been out on the road. Been on the road? I've been on the road speaking. You've been on the road doing your other little show. I'm going to tell you something that happened so maybe our listeners can help my poor brother, not you, Al, our other brother. I actually have two stories about our other two brothers there. kind of interesting but you know jeep he finally bought him a new truck and i remember the first time i was able to do that which was more recent than you would think but he was so proud of this

thing and to a point to where he said hey because usually i mean jeep always rides with me everywhere on all these trips season one season two where we always take my truck so he came up you know Because he's got a new truck. It feels like a big shot now. Right. Have you seen this new truck? I have. He showed it to me.

So he says, well, hey, you want to take my truck? You know, we're driving to West Texas. I was like, awesome. Because there's just something about a new truck. It's got, it had like less than 3,000 miles on. So he picks me up. I get all my stuff in there. You know, we're headed off for three days.

And it's just nice. Well, we get about an hour down the road And I'm like I about kicking that air back on You know, it's getting a little warm here He said, I didn't turn it off Oh So there was a moment there

I thought, do what now? And so he's like, it just went off He said, I guess this thing Is using a sensor or something So we start trying to get it back on and the bad news is didn't come back on. So as we

he starts calling people. I mean he called the guy he bought it from. He's like my air's not working. They're like well has it been working? He's like yeah but we we can't get it to come on. Is there a button you push? I mean is this some kind of new thing you know? So to no avail so we actually pull I said once you pull over because this is a hybrid electric combustible truck. So it's like when I drove it on this trip one time,

I turned it on and I kept turning it on the key because I didn't realize it started without the roar of the engine. The roar of the engine. It's like it has an electrical component to it. So we basically sweated our, our, you know, rear ends off on the way. I mean, it's rolling the windows down, but then it was loud because we were on interstate the whole time.

It was miserable. So we get there, Jeff's trying to find a dealership, but we're out in the middle of nowhere. And so he gets one of the TV people to drive it to the dealership like the next day. Well, here's what's crazy. When the guy from the TV show cranks it up the next day, the air running, it comes back home. Classic.

He takes it to the dealership. They're like, don't look like there's anything wrong with it. You know, what are you talking about? I was like, ah, okay. I guess it was. It was just a glitch. These things happen, work itself out. No.

No big deal. So we actually didn't have a problem with it while we were there. It was great. And look, we broke that truck in because most of the places we, the roads, we were down. We're not roads. They were trail. Dirt road.

Remote. So anyway, we filmed and we wanted to come home. And so when we finished filming, you know, our last day there, we just got in that truck. I mean, I went from an interview chair. They interviewed us about, you know, whatever. Asked all the questions about what had happened. And we said, let's just drive. And we drove non-stop from West Texas to Louisiana.

It got in like late. And so when we took off again, about 40 minutes in, now it was working fine, goes off again. And it was hotter when it was 95 degrees driving through Dallas traffic. But it gave me a unique perspective because then since the traffic was so bad on I-20 going through Dallas, you could roll down the wind and it wasn't loud. Right. But then I started noticing everyone else who didn't have air.

And it's like we formed a bond. Even though we looked out of place because we're in a brand new truck. And we were actually having conversations with other people. Hey, because you got your window down. And another thing I noticed. Everybody's air conditioner quit. No, there was only a few of us, sad to say. But you all kind of all got together in the traffic.

But we also. You experienced things that I've never experienced. Oh, this story's far from over. He's only scratched the surface. So look, we're sweating, you know, profusely. Just, I mean, and what's so devastating about it is the truck's got 3,000 miles. He just spent an obscene amount of money because now new trucks. are ridiculous.

They're not cheap. And he's waited his whole life. That's how come about 10 years ago. This, just as regular old standard pickup truck, I said, have the gear on the floor. I said, all I want to do is get there. Yeah. Are you still driving? You say, has anything ever happened to it.

Trees have fallen on it and lookered up a little bit on the back. But you say, as far as air conditioning, it still works. air conditioning or just blowing cold air and this thing is 10 years old I think I've had it in the shop one time but I don't forget what it was a little bit of something

yeah well what I noticed I wanted old vintage none of this new stuff I did notice this when you have your windows down and you drive on interstate it's way more scary the sounds

and just you know you know And the frogs are just rattling and banging and peep, you're just driving on interstate these days. And you just notice. Because don't be your windows are up. You're radio's playing. You're singing the song.

You think it's way safer than it is. But, I mean, the sounds of it all, it was downright scary. And we're hollering at each other to have a conversation and just going through shirts, you know. So I had an idea. I said, well, why don't you just turn it off? Because it worked when we got to our destination. Well, turn it off. And he's like, that's something we haven't tried.

Let's turn it off. Because it's not working anyway. So he turns it off. So about 40 minutes later, it just comes on. Automatically, nobody touched. Now, we'll admit this, In between that, his window, he's driving along, and his window goes to half staff. Uh-oh.

And he said, did you push a button? And I said, no, but I thought you did. And he's like, I didn't push that window button. Don't you just love computers? Oh, you got a lemon. He's got a lemon, boys. So that did happen. But anyway, so the air comes back on.

Well, we're just like celebrate. I mean, down the road, hooping and hollering. that hairs bottle. So I'm like, oh. You know, it didn't take a whole lot to keep a cup of rednecks happy.

Oh, it's so cold. Well, that was the good news. The bad news is five minutes later, it goes off again. I said, turn it off,

turn it up, because it just, I said, turn it off because I was thinking you're back depressed again. Well, we'll get five minutes.

I was like, look, it's something, be thankful for the five minutes. I said, yeah. So he turns it off again. So now we're about,

about three hours away from home, and it had been more than 40 minutes since it had come back on, and I said, why don't you just push the butt? Try to turn it on. And we had a debate whether he should. He's like, you sure? I was like, let's do it. Because I'm going to sweat at this point. So look, when he turned it on, it just came on full blast, just like, v.

And he said, man, this thing is like blowing, it's blowing more cold air than it was. I don't even have this thing on high, but it's blowing wide open. That thing never went down for three hours. Wide open. I mean, after an hour, because I'm already wet with sweat. Well, then I started getting cold. So I said, Jeff, turn it down. He's like, I'm not touching it.

Well, he waited another 30 minutes. And he said, I just don't think I can take it. We're going to get sick. I mean, we were freezing. Now here, Tucco. It went from 95 to 45. I literally had to open my bag. Welcome to the world of computers.

And put on an extra shirt of this cold now. So look, here's what's funny. So then when he tried to turn it down, oh, no. Oh, it ain't going down. I said, turn it off. Full blast. Can't turn it off. Can't turn it off.

So all the way, the rest of the home, we're sitting there shivering. And I told them, I said, this is what happens when you gripe. There's a person that involves us, do everything without complaining and arguing, which is all we've done. I know this is a crazy question, but when you finally did get home, did they fix it? No. To my knowledge, that air is still running wide open right now somewhere wide open or either it's off. Oh, this is Jep, remember that? I mean, he's not exactly.

Yeah, look, was so humiliated and depressed. I was trying to have fun with him because he's like, he's waited his whole life to buy a new truck, and he thought that that would somehow bring him a euphoric feeling, I guess, but all that crashed and burned. So look, so here's my thought on that. So this may have nothing to do with it. So I may just be totally all base here.

But the reason I haven't wanted to try out these EVs is electric vehicles, even the hybrids like that is because of this. I'm thinking there's way too many kinks to work out because this is a brand new technology. I mean, so I'm like, I'm not doing anything until they've got a few years under their belt. I'm not anti-driving one, but also I worry about the, unless it has a gas engine, where are you going to, how are you going to get it going? Well, I'll have to admit, Jep said, will you please tell what happened and see if somebody knows what to do? Yeah.

Because all the dealers say, oh, no, it's just a glitch. It'll work itself out. They told me the same thing about another truck I have. I said, no, it's not a glitch. If anybody knows. You've got some serious computer issues somewhere. How to fix it. You're going along at 70 miles an hour, and boom, all of a sudden, 40 as fast as you're going.

Well, no, that's a ain't. Then you get down the roadways, jumps back up to. It sounds like to me, you were having a cruise. control issue Phil. Hey, so I told them, they said nothing wrong. Nothing wrong with it. I said, oh, yeah, there's a lot of wrong with it. I said, take this truck and you all drive it and get back with me.

So a month later, one month later, they said, we found it. I said, I thought she said there was nothing wrong with it. They said, you were right. But the part, the part is made in China, and we don't have any of them. China. I thought. Another month goes by. It took about two months finally to fix it.

One of them said, sorry about that. Is that why you went back to the old truck with the gear ship? I'm just telling you that one's fixed. That one runs fine now. But it took two months for somebody to figure out. But a little thing about that I can't. Well, one of the things that's definitely changed is you mentioned it.

Now everything has got electronics, computers. I mean, you've got a lot more things that can mess up. now. The first truck has none of that. Right. And it's never missed a lick. Right. The second truck has all the latest paraphernalia.

Right. Not news good. Plus, you know, every time I've read two different makes about it. If I read like any kind of like apocalyptic type series, but sometimes I read those just for fun, people are always going back to the old things because they also can't track you, you know, through the GPS and all that stuff. So there's a lot of, there's something to do that about the old stuff. I got one of the last ones before they quit making them.

Right. I said, go back out there in the yard and find one you couldn't sell. I want it new. The whole back end of it has a big, huge dent. That's where the tree fell on it. Yeah, but you. Unfortunately, it was a tree that I just cut down. Yeah, that I was thinking.

That's a little part of the story that we did. You contributed to that tree falling on it. That was a nice way to say I cut down a tree. A tree fell on it because I saw the tree down and it fell on it. on it. And it almost got you in the process. Very close. I know. Would it killed you.

They used to have a show about that segment. It was called Stupid Human Tricks. That's what's good on. Dad, I would call that a DED. It caved in a little stuff on the back end back in there, but I said, you're going to fix it? I said, nah. So, you know, it looks like your typical redneck truck going down the road, all beat up on one side. They wonder what happened.

It's like the verse where. of the guys, be careful with a man digging a pit and then falling in it. Be careful when you're sawing a tree and it falls on your truck. The old guys, the timber, a couple of timber guys were working on getting a little duck hole ready. They were cutting trees. And he had a name for that when a tree falls and it jumps back up. Yeah, widower maker. Something like that.

Yeah. I said, that's a, you know, a quick Susie or something, you know. We talked about that when it happened. Well, I only brought up that story. I mean, one, to see if I could actually get an answer, but two, just to, you know, we left off talking about, you know, we're in Matthew, Matthew, we're in Luke,

Luke four. And really in the bonus time, our loyal members who are a part of that, We'll appreciate that conversation because we brought up this book that Joe Beam wrote, Seeing the Unseen. Yep. And there's so many references to Jesus' interaction with demons in the book of Luke. I was like, we're going to have to get in detail. I mean, let's rip off the Band-Aid and address this.

So we brought up a lot of that in the bonus time of the last podcast. But a lot of people have an extreme view on this, and I think that is dangerous. And we spent a lot of time talking about the devil, the evil one, and they have the same view. He either, we think, is around every corner and messing with your computer. Every bad, well, like your truck. Oh, that truck's got a demon. Well, right. Or they're like, he's not real.

And in both cases, I think they use that, the spiritual forces of evil to attack you. Well, what percentage of the human race out of 8 billion, 8.2 billion people, I think it is. So what percentage of them thinks we're stupid for reading a book that was written 2,000 years ago by a multiple group, about 40 writers put this book we have in front of us together, and it is the wildest story I've ever read. But in the front and center, all four spent more time Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, on explanations of the demonic.

Well, I'll say this. It is literally from one end to the other, And you tell me why once you get through the Gospels, when Jesus first showed up, who is he? What's he doing? And he's in these battles with these Satan's people. It's what the Bible says they are. They're from Satan.

Well, you say, boy, but it seems like once he died and was buried and raised from the dead, they're still there, but, you know, we inherit power from heaven, power giving us, which is the first time there's an exchange of power on that bigger scale. Repent and be baptized and receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. It seems like once the Spirit arrived on the scene, the Book of Acts, you know, they do some battles with them, but it just sort of fades away and they get down to just loving God, loving your neighbor, come to Jesus, obey the gospel.

Well, that is true, and I do agree that something happened and it limited the, you know, in the evil world in some capacity where they couldn't take unwilling participants. Is it possible that God made it as far as the demonics are concerned and say, beaten, then, you know, I mean, these texts that say he wanted to, you know, the sense of children had flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity so that by his death he might destroy him who holds the power of death. That is the devil. Well, it looks like we're in a better situation before Jesus got here.

Well, no doubt. I mean, man, you talk about in a bind, we were destined for death. I mean, with no mercy. It's theoretical, obviously, because we don't know for sure. But there does seem to be that you see the presence of demons, some in the Old Testament, not a lot, some. Some. Then you get to this period, you're missing that. It seemed like they all came together.

So you got the 33 years that Jesus is here, and specifically the three years when he was proclaiming who he was, when it seems to be concentrated the most by the writers. right that we see this act too. It almost is you're going to need some help, God, saying, speaking, and I'm going to help you. So then you get, you'll make it easier for you. You get to Acts, and as you mentioned, you see some there. You know, there was the girl that had the demon remember. That was Act 16.

Yeah, that was post-spirit followed up, falling out. And they're actually making money from her. So let me read that, Al. Yeah. As you're turning there, I mean, It's almost like she had a clairvoyance with this demon, and she's making money for some people. And one of them was following the apostle Paul around. That's the one, yeah.

Now, so let me read. This is Acts 16. It says, once when we were going to the place of prayer, we were met by a slave girl who had a spirit by which she predicted the future. So she had a clairvoyant ability. Yeah. When demons were characterized of having more knowledge than. a simple human, they were characterized as dead spirits of evil people who had come back to earth.

I think we all agree on that. Now, not all the scholars agree, but that's just, I referenced the Joe Beam books in the unseen on the last podcast, and that was kind of his conclusion based on, you know, research. But, now look, I mean, it doesn't matter if we're 100% percent. correct it's just the you see whatever this is throughout all of history bible uh historical documentation i mean the pagan religions you know these these sacrificing to idols to you know somehow please the demons which would be the dead of old i mean that that's been throughout all historical aspects of culture Just the beginning of their time in some sort.

Right. And you can read about it. But it says she earned a great deal of money for her owners by fortune telling. This girl followed Paul and the rest of us shouting, these men are servants of the most high God who are telling you the way to be saved. She kept this up for many days. Finally, Paul became so troubled that he turned around and said to the Spirit, in the name of Jesus Christ, I commend you to come out of her.

and at that moment the spirit left her when the owners of the slave will realize that their hope of making money was gone so they were just doing it for the money but she had she had it she's a slave yeah she had a demon that was superhuman because it could tell the future so I don't know what to make of that so that's why we're talking about except it happened but to answer your question, Phil, you said, what percentage of people, well, I, when I was reading, doing all this research, I remember running across something, I'm going to butcher these numbers, but I do remember seeing some survey where it said of the Christian community, religious world, and they had a different set of questions about demons and the evil one.

It was in the range of 40 to 60 percent, only 40 to 60 percent of Christian, organizations believed in a real devil or or demons or so you got a hundred percent of these people saying there's a god but then you're losing almost half saying there's a real devil now i got a problem with that because because the reason is obvious if you believe there's a god and you believe there's a bible well what are you doing about all these passages talking about the devil and Demons and evil spirits, yeah. That seems weird to me. Yeah.

So. It's not wise. It also shows, Jays, the sort of intellectualizing of spiritual truths in the Bible. In other words, now it's like, well, we've gotten smarter, and we know about mental illness and blah, blah, blah. And so the idea is we've kind of gotten smarter that we don't have to believe in a devil. but the problem with that logic is it's not, biblically speaking, that's not true. Not true at all. And so, well, that's why, though, Al, I read, I knew this was going to come up.

So last podcast, I read the same place in the historical narrative where Luke is at in Matthew's account. Yep. And he said in chapter 4 and verse 23 that Jesus went around preaching the good news of the kingdom in healing diseases and sickness among the people. And verse 24 says, news had spread, and people brought to him all who were ill with various diseases, those suffering severe pain. And then I'm going to skip the next one.

But it says, and those having seizures and the paralyzed, and he healed them. And somewhere else it says, mad men. But right in the middle of that, it has those who were demon-possessed. So there is a difference because you'll see some demon-possessed people that seem like madmen and seem like they have superhuman strength. You remember the one that was hanging out at the graveyard and they said he could not be restrained.

So you see some also with superhuman knowledge, but you also see some superhuman. And then you got the one post in Acts, was it Acts 20? when the guy, the son's a skeeva, that story, when the guy tries to cast him out, you know, and he's like, well, Jesus, we know and Paul we know, this is a demon. Who are you? But we don't know who you are.

Then they beat the fire out of the guy. Yeah. You know, so you got that guy, that situation, which to your point shows you that they have a knowledge of their surroundings, you know, that's pretty amazing, you know. And by the way, Luke is the one who wrote Acts. So, you know, I've always thought he's looking back. He has the current in his life what he's watching happening.

Not as frequent, I don't think, because he doesn't mention as much. But he's watching that. And then he's telling the story of Jesus as it was told to him. So he's got a pretty good insight into this whole spiritual warfare. And Jesus, I left on the overtime of the last podcast. I was going to read this. This is Matthew 12, 43, and 4th. 44 it says when an evil spirit or an unclean spirit this jesus speaking right after he said i'm the

fulfillment of jona talking about dying being buried and raised like jonah was in the way of the day so when an evil spirit comes out of a man it goes through air places seeking rest and does not find it then it says i will return to the house i left when it arrives it finds finds the house unoccupied swept clean and put in order. Then it goes and takes with it seven other spirits more wicked than itself, and they go in and live there. And the final condition of that man is worse than the first. That is how it will be with this wicked generation.

What in the world? Well, the medical community tends to say the people that are suffering from a lot of weird things and but they tend to say it's not the demons or that it's something other than that they don't look at it from a spiritual thing

but I agree with that in some they have medicines or anything I'm saying Phil I think sometimes people have some kind of you know what you used to say all his Christmas lights aren't flickering or he got some wires go I think there could be a

physical thing it could be a mental thing, but it could be a spiritual thing. And then I do think it could be a demonic thing. I don't have a problem with that. But wouldn't you say to Dad's point that what would be diagnosed in our culture as multiple personality disorder sounds a lot like somebody who had multiple demons living in? Very interesting. I mean, that's what I was trying not to do. I know, I know. You see what I mean? I don't, I think we go to extremes. We're like, well, somebody's crazy. Oh, he's got a demon. Well, no, he may just be crazy. You know, I mean, his wire may not be fused together or. And again, we're not just saying that from, because we're guessing, dad's mom had a mental illness

that when they found out what it was and she took medicine that put lithium levels back into her system at the correct height. She was cured. She was cured. So it wasn't demonic in the sense of what we would see here. Yeah. I saw a guy. So I agree. There is a difference. I saw a guy collide.

Our second basement collided with our center filter. And it caved his head in. Yeah, it was terrible. And look, they took him in the hospital and did surgery and brain surgery. And he lived. But his personality completely changed forever, you know. Well, it wasn't a demon. It just somebody need him.

in the head and his brain became different. And it affected him. So it can be different things. That's why I read the Matthew 4. The key point is Jesus healed it all. I mean, we're talking about demons, but then the very next paragraph of where we're at in Luke chapter 4, so he drives out this evil spirit, but the evil spirit recognized him.

and gave him authority, not just the people being wild by his authority. The demon said in verse 34, they're in this gathering and the evil spirit cries out, ha, we made a big deal about that last podcast. What do you want with us, which I do, we didn't talk about last time. Seeming like there might be more than one in there. Or that he was speaking for the group that was around because there would be other. It could be. So he says Jesus, he knew who he was, which once again, how did he even know?

But he knew. Have you come to destroy us, Jesus tells him to be quiet, and come out. And by the way, the demon responded. Jesus has authority over the demonic world. All the people were amazed, and the news is spreading. But then you get to the next paragraph. Ralph, Jesus left the synagogue, went to the home of Simon. Now, Simon's mother-in-law was suffering from a high fever.

Well, it doesn't really say the cause, but she was just, she had a high fever. Which means she could have had the flu. She could have, you know, had a lot of different things that caused you to have high fever. She could have had COVID. Yeah, no mention of, well, a demon. He bent over and rebuked the fever. and it left her. Which I love.

Just like he would rebuke her demon, right? That sounds like some good antibiotics coming in there. Well, reading this gives me peace during a pandemic. That's right. I'm thinking the one I'm following has greater authority over this. They can rebuke a fever. And you got to remember, not everything is, you know, coming from the evil world.

I mean, I think God disciplines those he loves. We've read that. And he allows things to happen. but you also have the story of Job, which God allows the evil one in his entourage to hurt people in the name of this test over Job. I mean, Job's kids were killed by evil angels. It was an awful tragedy.

And wins brought on by an evil. I mean, go read the book of Job. It's terrifying. Yeah. That God allowed this to happen. So you said, well, why would he allow that to happen? Because what he did in Jesus and what hearts that are softened to God's plan in Jesus allows really ultimately for us to win no matter what happens on this earth.

So if you look at the cultures and you look at the advancement of cures for different kinds of fevers, antibiotics, antibiotics, antibiotics, antibiotics, a lot of medicine, medicinal help. That wasn't even around, you know, when the settlers came across here out of Europe and started going overland, which was rough and covered wagons, and they moved out west, and the civilization in America was just now being formed, towns were being built and all that. in the medical you know you kind of look at them old things in 1955 when matt dillon first started you got doc holiday he's running around for looking for little cures can't find them so here's what i'm trying to get at they're still all these illnesses even after we've come up with all these

antibiotics and shots and the ones you're talking about, you know, they'll give you the doctors that we've, one of our sponsors. Yep. They'll send you some antibiotics. Even with all that, would you say, just think about it, there's still rampant diseases of all types, mental, physical, there's still a lot of misery as far as in the medical profession. that evidently didn't wipe it all out.

I mean, people are still taking them in there trying, but it looks like evil, you know, senseless, faithless, heartless people, they get together and there's not enough medicine to cure them, I guess. I mean, all these diseases, would you say they're, look at the population, way bigger than it used to be, When they covered wagons come across here 200 years ago, you know, people, I don't know whether they were all being, but I think now the higher the population grows, the worse the diseases and the ailments. Well, I mean, oleo and all these things that they conquered and it will flare up every once in a while. But just a world of no misery and no medicinal problems, it's more.

now than it was 200 years ago. Well, and of course, the argument is, is that you look back in the Garden of Eden, there was no disease that we read about. There was no death because they were living forever as long as they kept eaten from the tree of life. But that's the key. And then Satan came in. Once you got separated from God, you were separated.

That's where all the five of stuff. Plan old. But let me finish that statement. Once you got separated from God, you were separated from the tree of life. that diseases wouldn't be bad if your body was imperishable. That's right. So whatever they were eating from that tree of life was making them. Well, I'm feeling better about the promise here.

Because look, I thought about... After this life, I feel a lot more confident that it's there, and all this will disappear. But here's what the world is missing here, because I've had this argument before, because somebody asked me a question one time, which was... since I had never thought about it, it did make me stop and say, hmm, it's like,

well, what would have happened if one of those tree limbs would have fallen and landed on Adam's head? I was like, it's a good question. You know?

But I think that's why they were eating from the tree of life. Because you remember, and I mean, we probably should read this because some of our new listeners might be thinking, thinking, well, where are you getting that they couldn't eat from that tree?

I think that's chapter 3 in verse 22. It says, and the Lord God said, the man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat and live forever. So that, once he sinned, and ate of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, he was separated from God because he became, in the image of God, understanding good and evil, but he chose wrong. And since God is holy and not evil, then there had to be a separation here, and there had to be justice, because God is also just.

So, and you can add anything there if y'all want. But I think that's the description of how this went down. But as a result of that, he lost access to the tree of life. So up until this point, if a tree limb falls on him, whatever was in that tree of life, now that was some stuff. And to prove your point, I think, that's why when you read about the ensuing generations of Adam, they were living to be some of them almost a thousand years old. Now, part of that was to populate the earth, but then part of that had to be whatever was in that tree.

It took a while. It took a while for that to work itself out because that was some powerful juju that the Almighty put in that tree because it went generations. Well, he got to Genesis 6 and in verse 3 it did say the Lord said, my spirit will not contend with or will not remain in man forever for he is mortal. His days will be 120. So at Genesis 6, he made a declaration or that it was. And this started going down. It went from a thousand or near a thousand to a hundred. I think 969 was the oldest one you read in there.

But I think that's a guy lived 969 years. I mean, that's almost, he lived almost a millennium on earth. It's pretty amazing. I think it's worth mentioning that these things are not really problems if you, have an imperishable body. Now, the demons, that is a problem. And that'll be settled at the end of time. I mean, remember we read in Peter about there,

some, you know, the spiritual world and angels that are locked up for the time of judgment. And there is an abyss and there is a hell. And there's a, they're all going to be in there together. And even in Luke 16, which is a story we're going to get to, what I found fascinating in studying. and studying this is, and that's the rich man and Lazarus, you know, it says something that's noteworthy. It says that when you die, that good angels carry you to the good side, but also good angels carry you to the bad side. It's not you would think they're escorted by evil angels, but both are good angels.

You're just escorted to your destination, which is inferred there. And I also found another thing interesting that I read. And you remember in Kings where, I believe it's Elijah, was fixed to go to war and the army comes up there. Yes, Elijah. Yeah, Elisha. And his servant was like terrified because he's like, man, we're outnumbered. So Elisha prayed that his eyes could be open.

I mean, his famous story. And he sees all these angels around him in chariots. But the key statement, one thing I had missed until I was doing this research in Joe Beam's book, the statement was he was encouraged that those with them outnumbered those with the armies. Yeah, the physical, the spiritual force was greater than the physical force. force that had gathered around the city. But it, no, it doesn't say that. It says not the spiritual force with them.

It says the spiritual force with them was greater than the spiritual force around them. It doesn't say than the army. It was like the ones with us outnumber the ones. Well, let's just read it. Where's that? Second King's fine. No, no, you see what I'm saying. Joe Beam pointed that out in his book.

I'd never noticed that. He said, it doesn't say. Second King six. Second King six starts in verse eight. All right, watch this. It's a good memory, yeah. So verse 16, don't be afraid the prophet answered. Those who are with us are more than those who are with them.

He doesn't say those with us are more than them or of them that are more. You see what his point was. His point was there was an evil. entourage of angels and the spiritual forces of evil, kind of what Ephesians 6, but we, the gods was greater than the ones with them. I thought it was a good point. Yeah. I'd never thought about it. I don't think yet either. No.

But I thought, you know, I didn't think about it. And he was making the point that how come we, goes back to the percentages about God, we're all wanting to believe that, oh, well, God protects people and there's good angels. But then you have almost half of Christianity who says, oh, yeah, but there's not evil angels or a devil or. That was his point. And he was like, even in this story, you don't recognize it says those with us, we're greater than those with them. Well, there was two powers at work here. Right.

the ones on God's side wins. We're not saying that. But it also should scare you to say, you know what, I don't want to give the devil a foothold. I don't want to have a heart that encourages any kind of demonic behavior whatsoever or any kind of that world, even if I'm not right on what each thing is in the demonic world. So he was also making a practical point about we don't celebrate, you know,

he made a point in there. We celebrate a certain false. festival. He said, but I'm not going to let my kids go out there dressed up like witches or some kind of evil monster or whatever. I'm just not going to do it. And there's even a biblical story. I think it's in First Kings. When Saul, the first king of Israel, he's wanting to know what's going to happen. So he goes to the witch at Indore. She's a witch. She's practicing witchcraft and part of practicing witchcraft is to call upon

these evil spirits for information. And we already established that Jason mentioned in Acts 16 that these demons have a power of clairvoyance. I mean, it was in the, you see it, the New Testament, and it's in the Old Testament from First Kings. And so the

idea is that Saul goes to her to, but at this case, to call up Elisha, who's already crossed over, to come back because he wants to know what's going to happen, but he's not around anymore. God's already called him home. And so she does it. I mean, that gets lost in the story, you know, because when he came back, he's like, why did you disturb me? And then he's like, okay, since you brought me

back, let's tell me what's going to happen. You won't survive this. It's almost like it was like, you shouldn't have brought me back because this is all bad news that I have. But the fact that that happened and it's recorded and we read about it is terrifying to me because that shows you that this witch was able to do it. Now, again, obviously God was allowing him to come into the, so you could say. Well, it's true. Look, Deuteronomy 1810 says, let no one be found among you who sacrifices his son or daughter in the fire.

And so why would you do that? Because they would do that in this demonic world of idols. and sacrifice. Even the pagan religions. I mean, this was common over the dead. They're dead ancestors. I mean, just go what? There's several movies, any kind of movie dealing with the, you know,

these barbaric movies. I can't even think what they're called. But these types of pagan religion is shown. And watch what else it says. Who practice diviniation or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft, or cast spells, or who is a medium or spiritist, or who consults the dead. Yeah.

Anyone who does these things is detestable to the Lord. Because of these detestable practices, the Lord your God will drive out those nations before you. So now I know this is Old Testament, and I know we have to, you know, we're about out of time, but I want to bring something up. Because when you fast forward to the New Testament, which we've been talking to podcasts about this kind of stuff, I know one thing. Jesus, his authority over not only demons, but diseases, insanity, anything else you can think, people being paralyzed. He's got a whole list.

Jesus, in every instance, has the power to heal this and drive out the demons. I mean, you know, it's kind of interesting to talk about this kind of stuff. but don't, and we shouldn't fear it because Jesus has this authority. He proved it over and over and over. That's why we're talking about it. He does it multiple times. But then when Paul said in Romans 8, he goes through the gospel at the end, famous verse, Christ Jesus died, raised life, is that the right-hand God interceding.

Then he gets to verse 38 and says, I'm convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons. He's acknowledging. demons as a real presence with angels in a context of post Holy Spirit falling out and being poured out in people responding to Jesus and receiving said spirit. But he says neither angels nor demons nor neither the present nor the future nor any powers, neither height nor death, nor anything else in all creation will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus, our Lord.

that's comforting it's comforting you don't look what i've learned is jesus is really simple and the evil world is really complex but it's it's a place that i don't want to be a part of well and it's important to talk about but you're right more than conquerors it makes me feel a lot better yeah that you don't want to get so trapped in it that you don't see the big picture so we're going to talk a little bit more about this in our overtime segment so i wanted to mention again you only got one day left to vote for our podcast as being podcast at the year for the K-Love Fan Awards. And you go there to K-lovefanawords.com and you vote. We're in the podcast impact category as podcasts of the year.

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