Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 689 | Phil & Miss Kay Get Shushed in Church & Are We Just Pawns of Demonic Forces?

Episode Date: May 26, 2023

Phil & Miss Kay embarrass Jase with their behavior in church recently, and Phil made a new, well-dressed friend! Al gives the youth minister at church an awesome nickname, and Zach flubs an encounter with some famous folks. The guys continue their discussion about demonic forces, but ponder the question of whether or not we’re unwilling participants in our sinful acts. The guys are surprised by the high number of people of faith who believe in God, but not in Satan. Last chance: Vote for Unashamed as K-LOVE's podcast of the year by FRIDAY 5/26: https://www.klovefanawards.com/vote In this episode: Luke 4 verse 14 through Luke 9 verse 50; Colossians 1 verse 11-14 https://philmerch.com – Get your “Unashamed” mugs, shirts, hats & hoodies! "The Blind" hits theaters on 9/28/23. Get sneak peeks, updates & insider exclusives: https://theblindmovie.com — Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? So welcome back to Unashamed. We got Zach in the house today. Zach had a little hiatus while he's doing movie things. Zach, how's the movie going? Everything's rolling. September 28th. Yeah, I was meeting with some radio stations yesterday about some promotional stuff. So yeah, it's going good. Good.

Going good. We're excited about it. I've been out promoting everywhere I go talking about it. Of course, it really fits perfectly into what I talk about because I kind of talk about our family and what God did as a result of the life change that mom and dad had. So it's a perfect fit for that, which is really good. Yeah, we're glad you. Here's that. Zach, I don't know if you knew this, but somebody put us up for podcasts of the year.

So I thought you would. I heard about that. Oh, you did. Oh, okay. We thought this might be news to you, Zach. I'm the one who, no, I'm just kidding. But I did hear about it. It's exciting.

I thought that may be why you returned all of a sudden unannounced. Yeah, I wanted to get. Oh, in case we win, I want to be here. Zach will show up for an award. And remember this. So, Zach, today is the last day to vote, by the way. You can vote at k-loafanwads.com. It does unlock opportunity.

You can look in. It's kind of cool. It's kind of the more votes that come in just overall, for everybody, then it unlocks these give-back programs to plant churches and provide resources for churches in an Unreach People groups and things like. I can't remember. It's all on the website. It's pretty cool.

So it's really is a give-back program. I like that idea, too. It wasn't just about, hey, we're saying you guys are good. It was like, we're going to help by preaching the gospel, which is what we're all about. You know what this reminds me, because, you know, Zat used to be a politician. because I just heard him say, this is not voting. This is unlocking opportunity.

You know, when you say things like that, that's how you become a politician. So I got a question for you. If we lose, will we ever see you again? I don't want to answer that because then people might sabotage this. I don't want this guy back on here. That's right.

Any of our Zach haters, give them a reason to not come back. Well, the fruit, the fruit of our labors every, every week, doing a podcast, a couple hours each week. It's morning a couple hours, but okay. The fruit that I witnessed with my own eyes, a couple from Florida, a businessman from New York City. they were seated Sunday morning. I was doing the class. Basically, about all I know, biblically speaking,

as far as the knowledge of it, is the gospel. God becoming flesh, Jesus dying on a cross. We're reading about it, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. I've said more than once, why put four men writing the same thing?

so you can't miss it out. That's right. Yeah. God had us look at it. Jesus. He appears, born of a woman, born in a barn, the savior of the world.

Born under law. And all the battles he goes through saying all the time, we're going up to Jerusalem. This thing hits away with what we're going to do. And the chief priest, the teachers of the law, the most religious people on the face of the earth. said they're going to kill me but in three days i'll come back from the dead well everybody looked around at each other and peter and then peter was saying no way that's going to happen

so if you just look at put it all together i've never came i've never come close to reading the story that will outdo it well you're right i see the fruit so i baptize those four people i can't remember where the other guy was from, but the New York Vendish man said he hadn't planned on being baptized that morning, but I just gave them the verses, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. You did it, you know. We'll make disciples and baptize them. And I hadn't thought about that, but you're right. The four men from, you know, with different backgrounds.

To me, it was just fruit. Yeah, they wrote the gospel accounts, and now we got four men here that are talking about it, you know, 2,000 years later. That's our job. The most funny thing that happened Sunday, because it was a contrast, because when Phil introduced the New York businessman to me, I mean, I was thinking, no, I've got plenty of insurance. He just, he was decked out in a seat, but he was with Phil. Yeah. It just seemed weird.

A little bit of a contrast, you're saying, between the two. It was like, we just baptized him. I was like, oh, fantastic, welcome, born. So then when you started preaching, you know, Phil and Kay were sitting behind me. and Phil was like providing commentary to the new brother behind me. Was he translating my sermon to it? The whole time. I would just point to the verses you were covering.

The problem was... I would point to the verses that mentioned that. But he, for the first time, think about it. He'd been up in New York, menace, man. He's not really into the Bible. Yeah. But he sees the... That's what we're doing right now.

Right. He sees that. He experienced it. The problem was, Phil, you know, is hearing. is not what it used to be. And I think Phil thought he was whispering. But it was way louder. Missy said something.

She said, turn around until your dad. He's being really loud. I was like, I'm not doing that. So about almost when your sermon was over, I heard Ksa. I mean, she did it like this. She was trying to whisper, but she can't whisper either. She's like, Phil, you're whispering so loud, the whole half of the congregation is. I started laughing so hard.

I wish I hadn't known that was all happening in real time. I was supplying your sermon to him. And he told me later when he left, I left, good to see you, man. So I don't know whether I'll ever see him again, he's in New York. But he was thanking me for, you were talking, and I was looking, I was showing him to add a little. you were just making it real. That's right. It was kind of awkward, but it was good.

I mean, the guy was excited, and we got tickled about it. And then our old friend, Kurt, who's a Jesus man. Oh, man. I hit into some point there, and he couldn't contain himself. That was three quarters of the way in. All-Rose jump. He yelled out so loud because he was actually right behind us, and I don't know if it was the spirit, the whispering.

The guy from New York or Al Sermon, but it all just went to a boiling point. And it was everything he had. It was. He went, Jesus. She had a suit on, you know, a nice suit. I mean, when that brother got up, you know, he had them old baggy pants and, you know, what'd you call him, Rucker? Oh, no, it was the guy, our youth guy. I said he looked like a redneck samurai.

Yeah, yeah. Because he had a big beard, but his hair was up in him. man, bud, and he was just wearing like Jim shorts. All I told me, he looked like he was very relaxed. I told the guy from New York, I said, you don't have to get all dressed up. No, I heard that line. Yeah, I heard you. And he was just watching, you know.

Well, that made him feel a little awkward because he could not have been dressed any nicer. It was like, you don't have to do that. Look at that guy. If you want to, but I just. And I felt, I usually don't like to comment about how people look, but I just couldn't help myself because he did the contribution talk and I just, you know, I had to comment. I couldn't help myself. And he preached last Sunday, so it gave me a chance to brag on him. So anyway, I didn't mean to. I know we've all been there where you have the running commentary

of the family while the sermon is going. It was like I was doing some kind of the old duck show. Yeah. Because it was so funny. I couldn't start out. Ordinary and unschooled men. When people heard what they were saying, they were like, how? And they were. Well, did that bunch know all that give all about that information? Whoa. I was just showing him, I said, you know, it can come from strange places. The opportunities that we've had. So today we've got a couple of guests here in our podcast studio.

Angie Claussen is with I Am Second and her husband Gregor here. And Angie is, we've been doing for years. I mean, this probably back when the show was going on, it's interesting, Jace, because the first time we did it, it was Dad and Jep and Reed. And so we had talked through the concept, and it was kind of like three generations of faith. And really three generations are prodigals. Their story is amazing. And by the way, you can find if you go to I'msecond.com, you can see that.

We also did an updated thing with mom and dad a year or two ago, and then we told Phyllis' story. And we told Mauna Lisa's story, too. And it's called From Dysfunction to Dynasty. So just great people. I love what they're doing. They're about to do one with her old friend Rucker, I think, coming up soon that was on a podcast. And so we love what they're doing. Just encourage you guys check it out.

Look, and there's not, there are a ton of people on there that you'll recognize. A lot of athletes and entertainers and actors and all these people. You don't have to be. And I am second. It's a good thing because. They've put forth that shows you don't have to be some kind of brain. Yeah. You know, no.

Right. Fifth grade, sixth grade education, close enough. It's just a life change. Yeah. I actually, well, I will say you may not recognize everybody on there. I had a encounter a few years ago at an event. And Mike Fisher, who is Kerry Underwood's husband, and Jeff Fisher, who is, I think was a coach of the Titans.

Yeah, yeah. So they were at an event. I didn't recognize them, but they were saying they were with I am second. And so I'm so embarrassing, but I walked up to them. I was like, hey,

I love what you guys are doing. I thought they were like the production crew. I said, yeah, are you guys are doing something with my family next week? And they're like, they're like looking at me like, they had no clue what I was talking about.

And I went back to the table. I was like, and this guy has been, this I am second people. I don't know. They're just what they're kind of looking at me. weird and then they got up and were the keynote speakers. Oh, boy.

They were on IM second. They weren't. Yeah, it was one of those moments, guys. Did they sing you that song? Mr. No Depp perception. I was embarrassed. But, you know, it's hard to, people like that that are like coaches and so.

Sometimes it is hard to recognize because if, you know, fish has been out of the game for a while. And so, you know, it's like athletes. They're always wearing a uniform. a helmet. So it's like you see them someplace and you kind of think they're probably somebody you know, but unless they've done a lot of stuff, it is. The beauty of it all was that the brother who was up and had the mic and telling people be generous toward God. The beauty of it all is the New York Bendis man was sitting there part of that now. Yeah. As of, yes, the

Sunday morning. He had just become, I'd just baptized him 20 minutes earlier. Right. And he was looking, and I said, there's one of your brothers. And he was looking at it. He told me it was just amazing. Yeah. And that's kind of the idea of family. Unschooled and ordinary people. Did he come in through the podcast?

Is that how he found out about the chart? Yep. He watched the pot. So did the couple from Florida, man and his wife. Which, you know, that's the whole idea, right? It's about reaching people. And so any way we can do that, we're trying to make the Internet data a better place by doing good.

The other guy, he told me, said, I just want you to know that I've committed a lot of sins. I said, we all have, dude. We all have. Welcome aboard. Yep. They're fixed to all be washed away here in just a few minutes. So, Zach, we talked about, we've been in Luke 4,

and so the last couple of podcasts, Jace took us down the rabbit hole of evil spirits and demons. I did. I'll be interested to see the emails you get over that. But I did encourage people to read, seeing the unseen. Joe Beam's book. Joe Bean.

Oh, yeah. And because there's going to be a lot of this. It wasn't really a plan. I just, you know, we're in John, I mean, we're in Luke chapter four. And, you know, he goes to the synagogue in Copernum. And there's a demon-possessed man. as Jesus is talking, who says, ha, this is 434. Which I think maybe the only time in the Bible that we read the word, ha.

It's biblical. I've actually noticed that before, because Missy's always like, they had these emojis that you can put because she says, I always say ha. But I said, it's biblical. And she rolled her eyes. Let me read a little verse, Luke 434. Ha! So then she brought up an excellent point. That's a demon saying that, Jay.

So I'm like, okay, I hadn't thought about that. It is in the Bible. Yeah, you got to watch your quotes. It's like people, I hear people quote some of Job's dopey friends, because guys said they didn't know what they were talking about. But I've heard people like quote those, like, oh, this is brilliant. As it is they're prescriptive, yeah. Yeah, exactly.

It's like, know the context. We did talk about that, though, because there the evil one, you know, was using the, you know, nature and different things that we usually attribute God to doing to killing people. Yeah. Human beings. Right. People were getting hurt, using other people who were evil to influence someone who was trying to do right negatively. So, I mean, that is a precedent that's there. and we went down that road, but he hollered out saying,

what do you want with us? And it seems to be a common theme that they all knew who Jesus is. Because even in this verse of 34 of 4, he says, have you come to destroy us? I know who you are, the Holy One of God. And they always surrendered to Jesus as authority. Right. And so, you know, when we get to the Lord,

Luke 8, probably the most famous demon possession story. You know, there's a guy that has not just one demon, but a legion. Which we talked about that's in that term, in that term, biblically and historically was thousands. Yep. So, I mean, man, you think it's one thing to have a demon, but for thousands potentially to be running around, I mean, that's kind of... Can you imagine observing him? Oh, my goodness. for years.

Right. But their line to Jesus was, have you come to torture us? Yeah. And then they, you know, they mention or throw us into the abyss, you know. And so I just kind of gave a thumbnail introduction of that side. There's two sides.

You know, there's, we went through the passage in Kings where the army came up and he said, you know, Elijah said, please open his eyes. And, you know, The saying that I had noticed that Al and I had talked about was that the servant, when he saw these angelic armies and chariots of fire and...

Yeah, with them. They said, you know, we're... The ones with us are greater than the ones with them. Yeah. And I made a point, because I got it out of Joe Beam's book, but we usually think, oh, the ones with us are greater, than the army were facing, but that's not what it said. It was the ones with us are greater than the ones with them.

And so I made a point that when you look at various polls and all, there's on average, just over 50% of people in the religious world who believe in demons and the devil and they believe in God, but they don't believe on the other side. Which is kind of sad and fascinating at the, the same time that you would have half the people who says there's a God don't believe there's a devil. I mean, Zach, what do you make of that? I mean, that's kind of crazy to me. And yet it's true because, you know, that's what they say. But we were saying that biblically, how do you really,

you know, I mean, the Bible talks a lot about it, especially in the gospels. I mean, what was going on with Jesus in the first century. And we assume it's because him being here is what was having all this, you know, demons going crazy, you know, more than any other time you see in the Bible. But, I mean, it's real. You can't just deny that it's not there. Probably more comforting. I guess if you can convince yourself that he's not there because then it's, it minimizes the threat against you. And so it's, you almost convince yourself that, I mean, we, we talked about this a lot, that passage in, uh, James that says each one is dragged away and enticed by his own evil desires. Yep. And while that's true, and we

And we've said this before, you know, we can't blame everything on the devil. Jason, you did a great job if you podcast back of just drawn that distinction between kind of over spiritualizing it or is everything is, you know, this demonic attacks or, you know, man, I got cut off in traffic today. Man, the devil is after me. You know, that kind of thing. That's one end of it. But the other end is just say he's not there. And there's no such thing. It's just some kind of idea.

And there's no like personal force and personality. that wants to destroy you. That's a scary thing. If there is a being that his soul intent is your destruction and death, I mean, that is a scary thing. I mean, I have a couple people in my life that probably don't like me at all. And I don't like that feeling. I don't like the fact that there's people out there who, but imagine if you had somebody in who had the kind of power that Satan has, who his intent, and he had a legion of, legions of demons. and his goal in his existence was to destroy everything about your life.

Yeah. That's scary. Look at the logic of this. John chapter 7, about verse 13 or 14, about 19. Has not Moses given you the law? You, yet not one of you keeps the law. Why are you trying to kill me? You know what their answer was?

your demon possessed, the crowd answered. They said, who's trying to kill you? But they're the ones who did kill him. Oh, yeah, that's... And that's interesting. We didn't even go there in our discussion about how many times... Because remember the same thing happened to John 8,

that they were saying Jesus could only be doing... Because they couldn't explain that he was the Messiah. So the only other power they knew to go to is that we've got to be demon-possessed. And Jesus's point was, if I'm demon possessed, why would it be casting out my own group? I mean, I'm paraphrasing, but he basically said, that's when he said a house divided, you know, can't stand. Right, because the idea is if I'm evil, then why am I throwing out evil spirits? It didn't make any sense.

But from their perspective, if you can't recognize him as God. They had a father, but it wasn't his father, Jesus's father. He said, you have a father. He said, but you're, he's about. murder and liar. Murders and lie. He's the father of murder and the father of the lie. And you're doing what he says.

Right. Which led to another moment where they wanted to kill him. Back to the demons again. I think it goes back to personal autonomy and personal sovereignty, which as humans, we tend to overestimate our own personal autonomy and sovereignty quite often. And I think if you can convince yourself or you can just reject the notion that there's a devil or that there is this demonic world out there, then it gives us a sense of false security that we think we can manage sin.

And, um, but when you understand that the forces against you, you realize you can't manage sin. I mean, if you try to manage sin, then sin will end up managing you. And so you look at somebody, you know,

I think I may have mentioned this on a previous podcast. You know those, um, you get them at the gas station. They'll be like before and after pictures of like people with meth addiction. Yeah. You see the before picture and they're like this beautiful. beautiful person.

And then the after picture is, I mean, just completely erect, no teeth, sores all over their face. You look at that, you know, how could you, like, how could you be given over to that? And the answer is, is there somebody who wants to destroy you? And so there, there does need to be a healthy fear. The biggest lie I ever told myself was that I can manage monsoon. Yeah. That's the better.

If I, if I, I can look at this, I can do this. I can be a part of this. I can participate in this. and this not affect me because I know better. And every time that I've walked into those paths, without repentance, it would have destroyed me. But it never worked out. I never could manage it. I think that's why we want to believe that the devil is not real because it gives us the illusion that we can manage our own sin.

Somehow you're right. It makes us less powerful if we admit he's there. Yeah, so that's basically, we just gave a thumbnail version. I mean, we went pretty much to previous podcast talking about that. But we wound up in the practical day in modern time because, you know, when Paul wrote to the Romans, he said that, you know, we're more than conquerors, this Romans 837, through him who loved us. And he said, for I'm convinced that neither death nor life nor angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future nor any powers, neither height nor depth nor anything else

in all creation will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus, our Lord. And we also brought up Paul's instructions to Timothy in 1 Peter 4.1 that says that in later times people would abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. And we talked about that in quite detail, but to go back to Luke and how that applies to us, The fact that Jesus has authority over that gives me great comfort. Yeah, me too. And it is a complex world when you start breaking it down and the idea of demons being the dead, wicked, who have come back to earth. And you have the evil one as a fallen angel and then his angels and that entourage.

But like Zach said, I do think there's nothing wrong with a healthy fear of, of going in cahoots with that bunch. Because we've been clear on this podcast, because we believe the Bible's clear, that sin comes from our own selfish ambitions. I mean, there's multiple passages. It all starts there. And the evil one and the entourage

just gives you excuses and lies and rationalization to do it. And you think about that, though, Jays, to reject a concept of that there is a pioneer of evil. What you're saying is, because a lot of people say, well, yeah, you guys, you just believe in this boogeyman and the devil made me do it, blah, blah, blah. But you think about it, the world's full of boogeymen and evil and bad things.

So to not have a worldview where you recognize that, really just ignores all the bad things that you see. It's much more comforting to me to know at least what I'm up against, as opposed to saying, And I don't believe in any of that stuff. And yet I've got to deal with it every single day in some city or someplace I live. Yeah, I think a good analogy, like a good metaphor or analogy to understand how I think the devil works in correlation with Jace just said. Think about how algorithms in social media are so sophisticated that they don't make you want things.

They don't tell, but they figure out kind of what you're bent towards and then they feed that side of you. And that's why if you look at someone's social media feed and you compare it to someone who's on the complete opposite end of the spectrum from them, their worlds are going to look totally different. Their online community is going to look totally different because the algorithm knows what you, what you're kind of bent towards. And then its goal is to keep you as engaged as possible. And so it's just feeding you that. And I think that's how the devil works with us. He knows what we're bent towards. And so he just keeps feeding you that to get you more engaged into it to the point where ultimately the end.

to what he's after. I want, I want your destruction, but you have to choose to go down that path. And I do think there's a level you get to where, I mean, and you've, Phil,

you've been around some of them. I mean, you've talked about some of your encounters with people that have been really shocking to know, you can be completely taken over by something at some point. No doubt. Oh, that's not.

Yeah, we got there. I mean, we read that story about David and Saul, you know, David coming in playing the harp. And, because it said the holy,

spirit had left Saul and an evil spirit had come upon him. They'd come upon him, yeah. So they got dating. When we spoke at Angola, it's the prison in Louisiana where they put life imprisonment for human beings. We noticed that the warden didn't let them all out of the cellbox. Some of them, you can't let them, you can't let them loose like that. I mean, inside the prison.

So the ones that were there that we spoke to, there were many of them converted, by the way. But in some in the cell blocks, they were allowing what we were saying to be pumped down in the, where the ones that can't, they can't mix with anybody. Including death row, yeah. Include death row. But some of them did request, would they ask the warden, could they be baptized in the lake down there? And he allowed him to do it. Most prisons that said wouldn't do that.

But he allowed those. And I felt good about it after. Well, it's definitely not going to hurt. Not going to hurt at all. They were too dangerous to be in any kind of setting where there's other human beings. That started out in Galatians 3. The whole world is a prisoner sin. And he looked right into the camera and he said,

just because you're in prison doesn't mean that you can't be free. Yeah, which is a great line. I was midway through that story of saying that when David sang spiritual God-centered songs, the evil spirit left, which was providing peace in Saul's heart. And comfort, yeah. Yeah, and peace is a fruit of the spirit. So we made that point about now we have the arsenal with understanding who Jesus is, his authority over not just the demons, but we're going to get to what he has authority over.

X, but, and there's all sorts of things. But we also have the confidence that he gives us His Holy Spirit. So, I mean, you can surrender to Jesus, receive God's Spirit, and feel a peace despite the fact that you're surrounded by a sinful, a dark world. You are correct. So I feel like we should continue on. Yeah, read, start, read that, because we just referenced it. read that 38 through 44 days.

I think I left, I don't think I read 36, and so I'll start there. All the people were amazed and said to each other, what is this? With authority and power, he gives orders to evil spirits and they come out. And the news about him spread throughout the surrounding area. So Jesus left the synagogue and went to the home of Simon. Now Simon's mother-in-law was suffering from a high fever. Now this is Peter, but he was called Simon. Yeah, he hadn't changed his name yet.

Which I noticed in our prep, so in Chapter 5, when we get to this miraculous catch a fish, he's called Simon here, he's called Simon Peter there. And you know, that's the only place he's called that. Right. Then he's called Peter after that. Right. So something really must have happened in that boat. Well, and we talked about Luke's style of writing is a little different than the other gospel. So he likes to kind of introduce the major characters.

And so I think that's why he included this story about the mother-in-law, but that's just me guessing. Well, I mean, it's an incredible story. And I do think there's a thread of this where people that you don't notice that you take advantage of, the poor, the lepers, people from the wrong side of the tracks, in this case, some Syrians and Samaritans. And this book, Luke's book is filled with. the people that people have given up on that Jesus has these interactions with are not noticed. I mean, because you're like, well, this is all about Peter. Well, then he tells this cool story about his mom, which...

Or mother-in-law. A mother-in-law who's not even developed before or after this, which is another reason why I believe this to be true. It's like, why throw in the detail about that? Which is kind of amazing, Jason. It's kind of amazing to me, and really I think that Chosen does a good job with it by showing the interaction of Peter and his wife. Because we don't know anything other than he was married, but that kind of puts him in a different light with all the other disciples. It does. Because they were all young, and we're assuming that he was the only one married.

He may not have been. But we know he had that going on. And so I've always wondered about that, how that interacted with him following Jesus around for three years. And he's got a wife. Yeah, I was crawling around on my hands and knees here. last few months ago, back, you know, vertebrae, you know, cracked vertebraes. And I'm looking. We remember it well, Dad.

And trust me when I tell you that when I read about, ask Jesus, the woman out of mother-in-law was suffering from a high fever, they asked Jesus to help her. So he bent over her, and I don't even know this is scary, and rebuked the fever. And it left her. She got up at once, began to wait on him. Nassjana she just got up and said, oh, thanks for that. There was no recovery time needed.

It was just. So would you have appreciated it? I thought myself, I said, boy, I'm glad I had him on my side because my back doesn't hurt anymore. Would you have liked, would you have liked in the instantaneous? I would be hesitant to tell people, Jesus, you know, how are you doing with your back, Phil? I said, Jesus rebuked it and it's gone. But that's what happened here.

Yeah, that's exactly what happened. My back doesn't hurt anymore. Immediate. I mean, I'm crawling around on my hands and knees for about two months. It's all gone now. Would you say it took a 30 minutes to get out of bed? Yeah. So what's ironic about all this is Jesus' actions became contagious.

Because when you read the next verse in 40, when the sun was setting, the people brought to Jesus all who had various kinds of sickness. There you go. And laying his... Well, yeah. I mean, you're going to see. this as we continue the really the ironic nature of what Jesus was doing from even in in Luke 5 when he you know Peter sees this miracle well he has the opposite response than what most people have when they see a miracle you know when you see a miracle people are thinking uh you know they're jumping

up and down, you know, our Pentecostal friends. You know, this is, and it's so crazy that Peter sees a miracle when he falls down and says, go away from me, which is the very thing that Jesus is telling the demons to do to him. And I bring that up because then he goes into leprosy. And, well, you wouldn't back then, you know, they, in leprosy's kind of not the word, you know, I looked at that back then. a various Yeah, it was all kinds of skin.

But the problem with all that was is they were considered social outcast. They weren't even allowed in the temple. They were social outcast. It was more about, and you couldn't touch them, you know, because they didn't know if it was contagious and some of the disease were. What did Jesus do? He did the very last thing that you'd ever do if you're around someone who's a social outcast because of some kind of, I mean, think pandemic here.

Right. He touched him. Well, he didn't have to touch him to heal him. Why did he touch him? Because he was a social outcast, because he was all of this, and he healed him. And so what's ironic in all these stories is,

most of the time when you touch someone that's infected, you become infected. He touched someone who's infected and made him clean, which is crazy that he would even touch him, and he brought him back in. I think about Jason every Sunday when we're, our church, because seated right behind me on the second row as a family, and they have, I'm assuming, I've never asked them, but it looks like they have elephant Titus, which is kind of

these, you know, deformities and gross, and it's just a genetic thing in their family. But, you know, every Sunday they're there, they're part of our church family, people come up and hug them and love them, and I talk to them all the time because they're in my proximity. But I thought about it, you know, these are people that would have been outcast. but instead they're in a family. And it's the same thing you're describing. A lot of these demons to show you the power that was hovering over people, you're the son of God.

Well, I'm getting to that, Phil. Hang on. Yeah, go ahead. Yeah, so we're in 40. So he said when the sum was setting, they brought people, the people brought to Jesus all who had various kinds of sickness and laying his hands on each one, he healed them. more ever demons came out of many people shouted you are the son of god which was the same thing

the first one did up there they were acknowledging who he was but he rebuked them and would not allow them to speak because they knew he was the christ and so you got to remember he was trying to hide all of this to a certain degree so that he could yeah it's timing yeah it wasn't time yet he was going to eventually go to a cross and he knew that so at day break Jesus went out to a solitary place. I love this. Despite all this going on, he goes out there. He's been going at it all night here.

But he's praying to God in every, he showed us how, because life is difficult, we get tired. You're dealing with not only the evils of the world, but people who are hurting, their outcast, the drama with all that. He's doing it all day. The Chosen, speaking of that show, they did a really good. episode about this. I just thought about that. That could have been a fifth point to my sermon, Jay's, is the son of man relates to us because he got tired.

Well, exactly. He got tired of doing what he was doing, physically, emotionally, all of it. The Chosen did an episode. It was really unique. There was like no camera cut on the side of his followers. And they basically were arguing about various things. And Jesus was not even on it. Yeah.

And so at the end, he comes up. I mean, he's, he's bloodied, tired. He's been, you know, serving people. It was in reference to this verse. Yeah. And nobody said a word, but it all hit them, here we are, been arguing about this and that while he was out there doing all this, you know. Yeah.

He looked at him and he's like, I'm tired. I'm going to bed. You know, and only his mom was like, it recognized in the moment. And so. Because people tend to draw out whatever they have to for themselves. It's just the nature of people, you know. So you're convicted watching that because we know, what do we do? We gripe and complain about first world problems here all the time.

You know, meanwhile. Like no air conditioning your truck. All right. Hey, that was, we had fun with that. So. You repented. You repented. Hang on.

Let's take our last break. So let me read this last paragraph. So at day break, Jesus went out to a solitary place. the people were looking for him and when they came to where he was they tried to keep him from leaving them but he said and i think this is important so you remember when he says in where we're at in 43 or 4 he says but he said i must preach the good news of the kingdom to other towns also because that is why i was sent and he kept on preaching in the synagogues in Judea. And that was definitely a reference back to...

The angel said to Mary in Luke 1, 33, yeah. And his kingdom will never end. So, I mean, Jesus came. He was a fulfillment, you know, Daniel and all the other prophecies that he was going to be king of kings. His kingdom would never end. And he was out speaking about that. Because a lot of people said, what exactly was he saying? I mean, he was bringing people together. declaring himself as not only the son of man but the son of God. And I think people were concluding that he was the bridge to God.

And you made this point before when we've done the different studies in the gospels that Jesus' purpose in coming here was not to heal sick people and not to give money to poor people. And he even said that himself. The poor you always have, sick you'll always have. That's not his purpose of coming here. Now when he was here, he did that to show his power and authority so that they would listen to what he had to say.

But it was always a kingdom message. And so you don't want to get, people get thrown off in that today because they want to make everything about the healing and the miracle. And you miss the point. He's fixed to turn that on its head when we get to the next miracle

about the guy being let down to the roof. And he's like, holding the roof gang is what I call. He's like, your sins are forgiven. It was like the biggest drop mic moment ever. People are like, what? What do he say? The man's, he's paralyzed.

Your sins are forgiven. Yeah, that's not why it came. It was, you know, the guy, what I like to refer to it as, he got more than he asked for. Yeah, it's right. So he's going to make that principle that you're saying, he came here to die for our sins. Yep. To be resurrected. That's what saves people.

He's better than the miracles. And, you know, it does offend people. When they hear that sometimes, they're like, like, what? What? He's, Jesus is better than any miracle you're going to come up with. That's why even why. But it is miraculous that he stayed three days in the ground and was standing up out of the grave, continuing what he started. The ultimate miracle. Well, what I'm saying is, Phil, if you have that miracle, that pretty much makes, you don't know anything to worry about the rest of it. Everything else obsolete. That's why, you know, I, as a joke, I used to say when people say, do you believe in

miracles and I'd say I believe in at least one. People wouldn't know, they wouldn't understand what I was saying, but that was the point I was making. I was like, the resurrection is the miracle of all miracles. Because then you're like, what are you going to do 10 million years from now? Life and immortality has just been shown to you right in your face. You're not going to say 10 million years from now, oh, you know, I need someone to cure me or hit no you're you've been raised imperishable so we live in a broken world a dark world we have perishable

bodies bad things are going to happen and we say all the time these people who had these miracles they all died yep yeah so if they put their eggs in that basket just the experience of it all well what did that really do and miss the resurrection somehow and even last and John 11, he was raised from the dead, but guess what? He died again. He still died. He still died. Yeah, I love that part you read about Zechariah earlier when he talked about the kingdom. It's the invitation of the or the coming of the kingdom in Jesus, which is, you mentioned Daniel. I just got two verses here out of Daniel two and one out of Daniel seven that I think tie up that whole thought of the kingdom, Jesus bringing the kingdom

and Jesus being the son of man. And Daniel 2, when King Nebuchadnezzar had a dream of the statue that was different layers of different types of material that represented different kingdoms, the Medo-Persian Empire, and ends up with Rome, it says in those days, this is verse 44 of Daniel 2, and in the days of those kings, the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will, that shall never be destroyed, nor shall the kingdom be left to another people. So you think about like that prophecy in the, in the book of Daniel is being fulfilled right here in this moment when he says that he's going to set up this kingdom that will last forever. And then in Daniel 7, just a few chapters later, he has this entrance of the son of man coming into the kingdom,

coming to earth. He says, in my vision, at night, this is Daniel 713, I looked and there before me was one like a son of man coming with the clouds of heaven and he approached the ancient of days and was led into his presence. He was given authority, glory, and sovereign power, all nations and people of every language worshipped him. His dominion, this is the language here, same language, is an everlasting dominion that will not

pass away, and his kingdom is one that will not be destroyed. I think you're so right, Jase. If you get hung up on like the miracles as being the end of the whole thing, then you've missed the kingdom. I mean, all of the miracles just point to the kingdom. And by virtue, they point ultimately to the king of the kingdom. And that's the purpose of it. I mean, theoretically, you could be healed. Let's say you have something that has no cure.

And you go and you're here, a miracle happens. And you're so excited. You trip down the stairs. break your neck and die. Yeah. Well, that was a thud, you know. I mean, that was a joy killer. But what I'm saying is theoretically, is that not possible?

Yeah. Well, I mean, this is bigger than him coming in and intervening with your momentary. I mean, this is what he does. So why is he doing all this? Because most of these people that he's helping were overlooked for whatever reason. And you got to remember, this is always. been like this. Human beings are mean.

It's like when things don't go your way or something happens or you're sick, we're like, well, God, he just, he's not, he doesn't approve of who you are. You know, look at me, I'm beautiful. He thinks I'm awesome. And so Jesus turns all that on its head because he goes out there and finds the outcast, the broken, the poor, those with leprosy of various, these mad men, we'll get to them. But he's really throwing religion on its head because he's saying, I'm giving out this power to you. You don't, I'm taking the weak and I'm making them powerful.

And all other religions are if you work hard enough and long enough and become good and powerful, you'll be successful in the afterlife. But it's also, Jase, this is a huge moment that Luke is chronicling here because this is the first time when Jesus starts talking about the kingdom. And it's going to be all over the place once we get into it. But this is the first time he drops this concept. Because think about it, all they're thinking about is the kingdom of Israel. Well, right.

That's going to help us leading into this next story. But, I mean, that is, we're going to constantly be reminded that they were looking at it as national sovereignty. They're looking for a king to lead them. destroy, they want to be, and again, switch places with Rome. Think about it, Jason. I asked me, the New York businessman asked me, what group were we with, what religious group? I said, there's too many to even talk about it. I said, but just remember, and I showed him, Colosson, Chapter 1, having great endurance and patience,

joyfully giving thanks to the Father, he's qualified you, and I told him, I said, you've been qualified, you're in. qualified you to share in the inheritance of the saints in the kingdom of light. For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness. It doesn't make it ever demon possessed. All of us have been controlled by the evil one. And brought us, I said, it's already happened, brought, past tense, brought us into the kingdom of the son he loves,

in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sin. I said, you remember the kingdom when they ask you? Yeah. You know, are you this or you that, or you that, that, that, that, that, all these groups. That was a good response. Great response. I said, you're just a memory. I usually say.

He said, that's clear enough. I usually say God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit that can be taken plural or singular. Yep. That's the club. That's the club I'm in. Although, I remember one thing. I remember Phil at a speech one time. He said, you ask who I'm with.

He said the father, son, the spirit. it and he said, and Sanpanero. His heart surgeon. His heart was with him at the time. That was good. They all started looking through their Bible, Sanpanero. All right, we're out of time.

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