Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 697 | Phil Has Seen ‘Dumb & Dumber’ Apparently & Jase’s Dream Turned Movie Idea

Episode Date: June 9, 2023

Phil’s movie-watching career is apparently way more varied than anyone knew, based on the quote he uses. Jase has a weird dream that he thinks would make a great movie and wonders how different life would be if people had more than two arms. Al recounts a strange and gross thing he used to do while sleepwalking. The guys discuss physical and spiritual leprosy and which one is more damaging to the spirit. Al gives credit where it’s due when talking about the four friends in Luke 5 who went above and beyond for their paralyzed friend. The guys compare Peter’s response to Jesus to the response of the only leper who thanked Jesus for his healing. In this Episode: Luke 5, verses 17-26; Luke 6, verses 17-26; Luke 17, verses 11-19 https://philmerch.com – Shop now for your “Unashamed” mugs, shirts, hats & hoodies! "The Blind" hits theaters on 9/28/23. Get sneak peeks, updates & insider exclusives: https://theblindmovie.com — Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? Welcome back to Unashame. Zach, you missed our overtime. To our audience, I know there's a couple days in between podcasts, but we record two, so we just finished our last overtime, and Jace literally went Star Trek on us. He took us where no one has gone before. I step out for a 15-minute phone call. So what did I miss?

I mean, we were going to talk about a leper, but somehow we wound up. We were talking about Jesus touching the leper. Yeah. And it all seemed normal. The ramifications of that. And we talked about, you know, during the pandemic and the social distancing and the laws for leprosy in that time were way more strict. The Pharisees had added all this. And I brought up a few facts that, you know, they could.

couldn't be within six feet of another human being. Right. Or 150 feet depending on the wind. The Pharisees added an amendment. What if the wind's blowing? Well, it's 150 feet. So he's sitting around looking at the trees, seeing if he can go out and walk to the store or whatever.

But that led to these laws that come up that sometimes, you know, are more difficult. And then I'm not sure. Oh, we were talking about rest, the Sabbath. We got to the Sabbath. and rest because we were talking about Jesus, taking these rest and with praying and not just to mention. I mean, he created the earth in six days,

and then I made the point that on the seventh day, he rested, not because he was tired. It was a reflection. Jesus often withdrew to lonely places and prayed. So I made the point that the reason, The reason God designed us to sleep is because I just, in my opinion, the life expectancy would be around 19 or 20 years old. If you didn't have sleep. You didn't have sleep because for one reason is you would just literally go till you drop.

And number two, when you wake up, you have that reflection of what was I thinking? You know, the thing, you're making a, you make an adjustment. to your lifestyle. Right. Based on you now can reflect after you sleep. So I was telling my wife that. And she said, well, while we're sleeping, because we have two toddlers at our house right now, she said, what I've always wanted was an extra arm.

So then we got into the three-armed women. I don't think we've ever read in any of the Gospels, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. although we read where he withdrew to lonely places and prayed, it could have added so that he could get his rest. But I don't have any text that say Jesus ever needed any rest. No, that's my point. Well, why was he doing it? But he was asleep.

Remember, he was asleep on the boat. He was a human, so he slept. He slept on the boat. Remember he was asleep underneath? But I don't know if he had to have it for the energy that's needed. I think he did. I think he got tired. The longest, listen to this, the longest time that a human being has gone without sleep

is 11 days and 25 minutes. That's the record. You can't do it. You got to have it. Yeah. Even Jesus, because he was human. He was fully human. So he would require sleep.

I'm pretty sure my grandma was right on the record. You know, when she was going through her struggles, man. Oh, yeah. She would go through a manic spell. she would not sleep for about a week. Yeah, for days. It was close. But you know, that's interesting, Jay's because even when I was a teenager,

we'd stay up all night, a couple nights in a row, just, you know, never sleeping. But then when I did go to sleep, I would get up and I did crazy things. Like one time I emptied all the leftovers into the sink, turned the water on, went back over and laid down. Mom comes in. There's just food floating in the sink. And she's like, what? Well, that was before Jesus.

And I told them, I said, you need to look into what he's doing to create these. No, in that case, Jay's, that was not alcohol or drug and juice. That was no sleep. So somehow in my subconscious. The sleep deprivation. Yeah. And I just got up and did crazy things. It happened several times.

You were channeling your inner granny there. That's what was going on. That's the exactly what it was. So back to the. Well, what about the Star-Tarm? You kind of, you know, Missy. Well, Missy, she's having back problems, and I came in and she's, you know, on a back. I don't know what it was.

It was making a noise and her legs were up, but it was like somehow another stretching your back out. And she's like, I don't know why my back's been hurting. Well, I looked over at our 30-pound toddler and said, I know. I'm sure it's from hauling little marrs around on your 100-pound frame. Yeah. But so, and that's when she said, I just need an extra arm. I wish I had three arms. And so I was like, you know what?

That's a pretty good idea. But then we got into, well, where would you put it? Where would the arm go? Because I was like, it's not like he couldn't have done it for moms. Because I made the point that another reason that I believe God created us to sleep was because of moms. I mean, that's the only, if they didn't have that, because I just watch them. I mean, I'm watching what my wife does.

And now, I mean, as a grandma, I mean, that sleep is the most precious time because they get a break. I mean, it's a full-time job keeping up with these times. Gotta have it. I was like, he did it for that process too. But she's like, yeah, but if I just had an extra arm, I could do more stuff.

Where are we going to put it? Well, we couldn't figure. Well, we didn't, we didn't figure it out. But it led to quite the discussion. I said you needed. I'd have the base, I'd have the base of the arm attached around the sternum area, right in the center. Right in the middle? Well, I thought that, but that's weird.

You know, yeah, I just thought you should have two more. Once you, well, I think that's two sets. That's what I said. Yeah. And, uh, we're going to add arms. But if you break into more than two arms, that you're already in the weird zone. So that doesn't, you can't use that as a factor because it's already weird. right it's all about efficiency at that point and i was like who would ever be with third arm

woman but one of our crew here so if all women had them you wouldn't even think anything about it which is probably true that's true i do think it would help with the little ones yeah the sets though i think you just have two more coming out the side right below the other two but then you got four shoulders think about all the more potential injuries you know your shoulders your elbows i mean i mean that's true i mean i don't know what we'd do because you you have right-handed left hand. You know, there's a pitcher now in college. It would be right one, right-two. That has a glove that fits both of his hands. I think he's at Mississippi State. And so when a right-handed batter comes up, he throws right-handed. When a left-handed batter comes up, he puts his

glove and throws left-handed. Oh, he can pitch with either arm. That's a unique talent. I've never seen a bat both way. Not that he can do it, but he does it. That's what I'm saying. Boy, what they call it, Amidextrous? Amidextrous to the max. I mean, he's throwing, and I'll watch the game for that reason, and he's equally as effective.

I mean, it's not like... One's not better than the other. Yeah, it's no difference. With hitters bat, one will usually be better left-handed than he is right-and or vice versa. Yeah, I mean, you have switch hitters, but a switch pitcher, I thought, boy, if that guy gets that locked in.

Oh, man. That's valuable. You're going to make some money. But how do you start that? You know, some dad said, hey, let me tell you, we're going to change the world. Baseball. He probably just showed a... I don't know whether y'all did it or not, but we're right hand, right on, I'm right arm.

But I batted left-handed. Yeah. Well, my left eye is my dominant eye, and I'm right-handed, so I shoot left-handed. Me too. Yeah. But I'm right-handed. Yep. Do you shoot left-end-a-down-t-day?

I do. I switched recently. Do you, oh, well, if you switched recently, then you probably are still in the struggle bus. Well, you got, I mean, you got, it's just a lot harder to shoot when you're left-old. I was going to retrain my eye. I heard you could put a patch on it,

but then I was going to, man, that's going to take forever, and you got to walk around with a patch. And then people think you're a pirate. I think it'd be a good look for you, Zay. Yeah, you could pull the parrot off. And then people would say, what happened to your eye? you're like, no, I'm just doing this for therapy.

Yeah. Hey, there is a solution, though. I just looked this up. MIT technology review posted an article in 2018. A guy developed a system where you could have four arms. You have your two. It's a backpack you put on. And then there's two robotic arms that come out.

Would you send that to my wife? Send that to my wife. Yeah. Because she'll know that the only way you're sending that. text is if I revealed her deep... Send it to her now, and that way, if we get a response, we can talk about it on the podcast. She asked about being on the podcast because she wants to promote our July Independence Day celebration. So we'll have her own, and maybe we can get some more insight on her idea of the extra arm.

So I want to mention that, Jason, since you brought it up. It's called the Faith Family Freedom Celebration. It's going to be July 2nd. It's going to start at 4 o'clock. It's at your long town estate that you guys have that's a bed and breaks. It's a really cool property. There's going to be food trucks, ice cream, inflatables, games, and then there's going to be people sharing Jesus all day.

They even have places set up where you can be baptized if you want to. So that's a Sunday before the 4th of July. So you can come to the WFR if you want to that day. Dad will be teaching his class. and then come on out to the Logtown Estate. So that's an invitation for Unashamed Nation. She said, just come on. We're going to have a big celebration that day.

So July 2nd at 4 o'clock with the Logtown Estate. And we'll let you know. Yeah, we're going to have her own to push it, but I did want to mention that today. She's in me that Texas. Yeah. Okay. So before we start, we're in Luke five,

but I had a crazy dream last night. I wanted to share with you. So I got a new movie idea for you. Now, it came. Well, Zach is now a movie mogul. What is a mogul? I don't know. It's very, very powerful person.

Very powerful person in movies. Are we sure about that? No, we're not sure about that at all. Are we sure he's powerful or are we sure what a mogul move? Yeah, I don't know. Here's what a mogul is. Here's what a mogul is. It is an important or powerful person, especially in the motion picture or media

industry. I mean, to be honest, the first time I heard it, which wasn't today, I felt like that was something that I might need to be removed. How long have you had that mogul? We need to. It was like that expository. Well, I knew that was a joke. I knew it was a cousin of suppository, but he used it in a biblical context, and I just didn't like how it sounded. He said, we approached the text expositorily. I mean, Zach said that in an interview, and I was like, for the 14 people who knew what that meant, awesome. But for the rest of us, I felt like we were doing an injustice. So can I tell you my dream or not?

You want to hear it? I don't care of you. I mean, look, it's a dream. But I had a dream because I was studying. When I got to this Luke 6, I'm going to tell you, this. this Luke 6 as a preview. I know you came in talking about it. I said, Jay's, we're in Luke 5.

We're not going to get to Luke 6 for a minute. I was reading ahead and my mind was blown and I was wondering how I missed this before. But in Luke 617 through 26, we have a blessings and woes segment via Jesus. And it's like the sermon on the Mount and people call it the sermon on the plane because it says he came down. down from the mountain. It's a flat spot. So all these scholars are up in arms, like, what does it mean? And so it spawned a dream from me because I studied it for three or four hours,

then went to bed and I woke up and I thought, I have, you know how you remember your dream sometimes? So I watched a movie in my dream about Luke. Has there ever been a movie about Luke? The book of Luke? No, not the book of Luke. Oh, Luke, the person. Yeah.

Well, he was featured in the movie about the Apostle Paul that we've talked about for one here. Was he? Yeah, Jim Cavizal plays him. Plays Luke? Plays Luke in that movie. What did he do? He's just interviewing Paul for to write Luke and to write Axe. But the movie was about Paul.

The movie was about Paul. All right, well, I'm saying what you just said there, that's what the movie was. So what happened? Maybe you just saw that movie. No, I have never seen it. Well, can I tell you? Got to watch the movie. Like an hour, you go to dump stuff in the sink.

Maybe you had a moment. That's right. Maybe you had a moment where you were sleeping. You got up. See, that's what a movie. That's what a movie mogul does. Scorsese, I'm trying to give you the movie. It's here.

All right. If we did that, let's take a break. Here's where the movie. So it opened up. There was a trial going on. And I guess I was trying to wrap my head around who was on trial. And it was, it was Paul. some of the other members of Jesus' followers.

Because they all were martyred, I guess. Now, I'm given some of this, because I had to process what I just dreamed. Yeah, dream. So I'm giving you the maybe idea. So that was where it opened. And Luke, even though he was a doctor, because we get that from Colossians. No, he was a physician. He was a physician, which is why there's so, I think, so many references in here about

Jesus healing diseases. Illness is, yeah. Illness that we're in the leprosy section. So, I mean, this is actually going to fit with where we are. And he actually is the only one that mentions Jesus sweat the drops of blood, which is a medical condition. Sweat the drops of blood. But now think about it from, he's a physician. So he's in the medical profession.

Yep. And his book in Luke ends with Jesus dying and coming back to life. Yep. Well, in the medical profession, where's that at? That doesn't happen. So, so this is my dream because I'm already getting off the subject. So he's representing, he's like the medical, what do they call them, the expert, medical, you can't have a trial without a medical. Expert.

Expert, expert witness. Yeah. When there's some kind of murder or a dead body. Well, Jesus. So he starts an investigation. Now, my dream went backwards because he's up and he's saying that this Jesus was a supernatural being. And they're not going to deny him. So the man, he's representing the man because they're on trial because they won't quit.

preaching that Jesus is the son of God. And here's this doctor as the medical expert, and he starts telling the story. And so my dream went backwards all the way to Luke 1, where he says, where we started when he says, many have undertaken a drop in account of the things that have been fulfilled, just as they were handed down to us by those who were the first eyewitnesses and servants of the word.

therefore since I myself have carefully investigated everything from the beginning. So he had done an investigation. So thank Sherlock Holmes. That's how the movie went. But he went backwards because he was telling them, he was relay on him. He's like, I went to the tomb. And so then I saw him at the tomb. But he's trying to figure out where's the body?

Who was playing Luke in your movie? It just was a bearded guy that looked like guys from the chosen. Okay. So I guess I watched the chosen. You know what? It looked like those two guys. That's what it was. The guys that play James and John were at that thing with this other night.

That also planted into your head. But he was saying this with power because he was investigating and he was interviewing people. And he was like, and he had his notebooks. But it was a very thorough investigation. So every time he would backtrack and the leper came. up. The people, and he was like getting the information and none of this made sense in the medical world, but he had such an overwhelming amount of evidence of eyewitnesses that it was like you were, you were believing it. And so, of course, of course, then after his closing remarks,

they were like, no, you know, guilty. Because he literally had no proof. But he, because he literally had no proof, besides eyewitness testimony. So I got it is that NCIS Jerusalem. I think it would make a great move. Here's your show. You see what I mean? He investigated. That's what NCIS is.

Yeah, he's a medical professional. Sherlock Holmes. He goes through all the evidence. He goes to all the places. He interviews all the people, all the healings, all the crazy things that happens super naturally, like the feeding of the fire. But he's given you the scientific medical view of this. And in the end, it was overwhelming that this person was the son of God.

But since they could not interview him, because then he had all the reports about the sightings of him post-resurrection. But they're like, well, where's he at? And so then he's looking for him, trying to get him to testify. But he, you know, he couldn't find him, obviously, because you couldn't recognize. He was shape shifting also. And, of course, he had then ascended to heaven, and they're like, oh, yeah, okay, how convenient. So anyway, I thought that'd be a good movie. Well, you know what?

I mean, look, we've got a TV show that was born out of this podcast. We've got a movie that was born out of this pike. This might be the next, this might be the next thing, Jace. I mean, look, it was still in the dream state. Still in the dream state. So you have to take that and see what's doable. in the movie. But if you're a movie mogul, that should be no problem.

Because there's never been a movie about Luke. No. I'm more of a disruptor. I don't know if I'm a... Well, that's disrupting because he wasn't one of the 12 apostles. Yeah. He was just a doctor who did an investigation. And I think...

Who's the famous doctor that does... Every time you see something happen now, he's always the one that comes in, does the autopsy. Dr. Oz? No, not him. That Palin? Dr. Phil? No, this guy.

He's like famous. He's not one of these guys that always comes in. Every big case, Epstein, all of them, they talked to Michael, I don't know. But anyway, it's like that guy. But it'd be like in first century. I think he got something here, Joe. Who doesn't like those? You have a trial.

You have the evidence. You have, you're doing an investigation. Who doesn't like that? There's like 10 NCIS is on right now. Everybody watches this stuff. They want to see the investigation. I mean, you have the best. grip ever written right here and you have a guy which look we haven't talked about a lot

Luke he he if you go by percentage wise and if you count the new testament starting at Matthew he wrote more of the new testament than any other writing that's right I think it's like 27 percent and he didn't personally witness any of it he got it all from from his he investigated it was an investigation what we're studying here is that we're studying here is an investigation. Now, he was in the time period, but he wasn't walking around as one of the followers. No. So why don't we do a movie about his investigation? Yep. I like it. That made that happen. The goal, the goal that Luke presents about Jesus, the goal of it all is, do you believe? Do you believe? You believe. He was trying to convince a man named Theophilus.

exactly that this was true because he even had an audience in mind like you're sure of what you hope for you're certain of what you can't see is there enough proof here for you say you know what it could have happened no that's good so i think it's a good lead in though to why he's doing the stories that he's doing so he tells obviously the common miracle about how this got started with the making them fishers of men yep despite Peter being realizing that this is the son of God saying, going away from me, I'm a sinful man. So then you're brought to the leper.

Who has the exact opposite of Peter, he comes to him. It says, Lord, if you're willing, you can make me clean, which is interesting. He recognizes greatness, but he comes to him as an outcast, as one who knows that he really, he really shouldn't come to him, but he does anyway. And the law, yeah, and the law. His thinking was this Jesus of Nazareth here. He can do this. He's the only thing that can do this.

He can do this. He had it down to, he's the only one. When you get to it, you know, the only one that can remove your sin, he's doing these things. Yeah. Get a look at him. And then you make up your mind whether he had the, I mean, you're talking about a dream. This is quite the dream here of none of this is true.

That's right. How in the world you come up? concoct this story. I mean. But don't you love Jesus' response? I am willing. In other words, he says, if you're willing, you could do it. And he says, oh, I'm willing.

Which flies in the face of every other religious group. This guy was outcasted, not from just the world, but from the religious group. He was not allowed to go anywhere near a temple. Right. And we also know, Jay's, that he doesn't have to touch him to heal him. There's many miracles that occur where he just says, yeah, she's good. And Jesus doesn't burn down the whole law system. He tells him,

don't tell anyone, but go show yourself to the priest and offer the sacrifices that Moses commanded for you for your cleansing as a testimony to them. So he's saying, because that was a requirement that you had to go and show yourself that now you didn't have the disease. Well, and that's what I was saying. The spirit of the law was good. I mean, they were trying to keep humanity from all becoming infected with very, various diseases. That's why the law was written. So here he comes and flips that on its head,

touches this man, heals him, because now you see something better than the law that has appeared. We have a power here that Jesus is distributing to a person who's infected and he cleansed him. Someone once said it would take more than a Jesus to invent a Jesus. to invent a Jesus. Yeah. I mean, he couldn't have had this much material unless he was Jesus. Well, and to Jay's point about the investigation,

it also shows that someone who understood this from a scientific point of view recognized it for what it was. Yeah. And the supernatural, which is pretty amazing. Let's take another way. Well, and as a doctor, you wouldn't encourage putting your hands

on an undiagnosed disease person. That's right. Especially when your law says don't do that and your society says don't do that. But Jesus had just said, I'm going to make you fishers of man and the type of guy that he's fishing for was probably causing some discomfort among the disciples.

They're like, wait, what? Yeah, they're like, think about it. That's a good point because the first story after that, after that is this. And I mean, just that line there that, Lord, if you will, and make me clean. And Jesus, this part here, stretched out his hand and touched him. I mean, you think about like a God who touches the untouchables. I mean, the spirit of Christ, the love of Christ that's in him.

And I think there's something here. I was reading Matthew Henry's commentary on it. And he talked about spiritual leprosy. And he had six responses to how, that we have spiritual leprosy and how we should respond to Jesus based on this passage. And the six things were, one, was number one, seek Jesus, which is what this gentleman here did. Two, humble yourself before him. Three, earnestly desire to be clean. Because that's a big thing, too.

do you even want to be clean? I think part of the problem with sin sometimes, and spiritual leprosy is we don't even want to be clean, but earnestly desire to be clean. Four, if I believe Christ's ability and his sufficiency to clean us or to cleanse us, five, be in prayer for pardoning mercy and renewing grace. And then six, refer ourselves to the goodwill of Christ.

And that's what this guy did. And so I think there's a lesson even in how we can respond to Christ. You know, we see his nature here that he. touches the untouchable. Then we think about ourselves. Then we respond like Peter responded. In part, we say, I'm a sinner, but we don't say, get away from me. We ask God, if you're willing, would you touch me and cleanse me? And if we come to Christ in that way, I mean, he's faithful and he will do it. And just that promise alone should get everybody who's listening to this podcast, that should give us a transcendent, amazing hope that we don't have to sit. in our spiritual leprosy. Well, that's true, but it's also true that you may never get your miracle.

If you do have, you know, a disease, I mean, we're going to the next story about healing a paralytic. And my point is that that is more weighty than what happens to us physically. I mean, yeah, which is where he goes next. Before we go there, two things I want to mention about this leprosy before we leave it. One is another medical thought is, you know, your skin is the largest organ in your body. It's considered an organ, your skin. Or own your body.

Or you could say own, but it's the largest organ. So when you think about vital organs, if you ask somebody, what's the largest organ? And they'd probably say the liver, they'd be thinking internal. But your actual external skin is considered an organ, which shows you the vitality of it, I think, from a medical side. But I wanted to mention this in Luke 17, if you jump ahead, because there's another healing. It's interesting because in that case, he doesn't touch them. It says they stood, there's 10 of them. So they're kind of a little colony of lepers.

And they stood at a distance. And he's right on the border of Samaria. And they call out, Jesus, Master, have pity on us. When he saw him, he said, go show yourself to the priest. And see, in that case, he doesn't touch him. He just says, go. and as they went, they were cleansed, which is interesting, different kind of way of miracle. But look what happens.

One of them when he was healed came back, praising God in a loud voice. He threw himself at Jesus' feet and thanked him, and he was a Samaritan. And of course, Jesus makes the point, we're not all ten cleansed. Only this foreigner comes back, and he says, rise your faith, has made you well. So I thought it was interesting because in that case, it was a double untouchable, because not only was a leper, but he was a Samaritan leper, and yet he had the gratitude to come back and to throw himself at Jesus' feet. Where are the other nine? Yeah, where's the...

Well, to your point, an internet search that I do not recommend you do, but, because you'll just be sad, that I did, I did the search and the phrase was eternal skin care. and what I didn't find was any kind of picture or reference to Jesus, but there are hundreds of jars, bottles. Oh, here we go with your, here we go with your, uh, well, I'm making a point here. I know, I know. Now look, it, you get by 4999 worth of this cream. Eternal skin care.

Eternal skin care. And what I'm saying is Jesus may not heal your skin condition. but I know right here he has the power to do that so that gives me some comfort and peace whether I receive that or not when you're in Jesus you do have the hope and fact

that that's not going to be a problem and going back to this Luke investigation at the end of the story he come back from the dead so no matter what happens and this leper he died at some point That's right. So he encountered a greater problem than his leprosy.

Because he quit living. And so what I'm saying is Jesus is offering not necessarily a miracle, but he's offering hope to humanity that no matter what happens, because he's really going to address this in Luke 6. It's kind of an upside down kingdom. You're not going to be controlled by this fear of things that happen to your body, and debt because you know in your mind that Jesus is an eternal being. You're going to be fine.

Right. So we shouldn't respond to these discomforts and challenges as ordinary people. And that's where I was going with this paralytic. I mean, one of the most Jesus preaching people I know is a guy in a wheelchair. Yep. And we had him on the podcast before. I think I discussed his book on here. And so I'm like, well, you're like, well, why doesn't God just heal it?

When you ask him, ask him, he's like, well, I'm perfectly fine. Because he knows that he's going to be resurrected. He's going to be made whole. And he's like, God works in our weakness, which I think is the point of this. I agree. Which to Zach's point about the idea that there's a spiritual component even to the leper. But you're right. Luke's going to take that and then show us that in the next story, because it's the next

untouchable is you're going to see that flipped upside down. Let's take another break. So let me read it and then we'll get into it. So he comes right off of that with the heating of the leper. One day as he was teaching, Pharisees and teachers of the law who had come from every village of Galilee and from Judean Jerusalem. So just as a little bit of a geographical idea, remember he's up in Galilee up in the hometown area, but now they're coming from down south. or really it's up, but they're coming from south down Jerusalem, Judea, they've heard. So now we're starting to, you know, the word's starting to spread.

So they're sitting there. And the power of the Lord was present for him to heal the sick, which is an interesting statement. Some men carrying a paralytic on a mat, came carrying a paralytic on a mat and tried to take him into the house to lay him before Jesus. So he can't get there on his own. He's got four friends that are carrying him.

And before you keep reading, you just, you see this, what makes this powerful is Luke is a doctor. That's right. And he's seeing Jesus heal all these diseases, heal a leper. He's telling the story. I just think it's fat. I think it makes a great movie. I do, too. I'm saying.

When they could not find a way to do this because of the crowd, they, so they can't get in there. It's just too many people. They went up on the roof, and it doesn't say it. but they tore a hole in the roof. I mean, it's the only way you could... Well, it says it in Matthew's account or whatever. So the thing about whose house that was, I'm sure somebody was a happy wife there.

Well, a lot of people think it's Peter's house. Yeah, that's what I've heard. I saw that, but I wasn't sure whether it was. Because he's in the region, and he spent time there. They lowered him on his mat through the towels into the middle of the crowd right in front of Jesus. So they literally tore a hole in the roof to get this guy down to Jesus. When Jesus saw their faith,

which is interesting he said to the guy on the mat friend your sins are forgiven which was a record scratch I mean that made no sense at all we know how the story ends but in that moment if you could just stop there for a said

have the pause that's right way to beat because everybody went what do you say well the guy I guarantee you the guy on the mat he didn't like that And he's saying, what? Oh, no. He thought, oh, how sweet.

That's not what he came for. That's why the friends brought him. Come on. Cins are forgiven. What? I mean, because the concept of Jesus, number one, you wouldn't, it would be like, I don't believe you. Who are you to forgive somebody's sins?

Right. Because I think practically like, so here's four of us here. I mean, let's say I'll reach over and pop you, you know. Like that wasp did, but, yeah, just in a fit of rage. And Phil says, I forgive you. You're like, what's it good to do with you? You see what I mean? You're like, the only person who could do that would be somebody representing themselves as God.

Right. and to me, I wouldn't, if you said that, it wouldn't even register with me. And you wouldn't care either. Right. It has nothing to do. I mean, they're coming because they had a rumor that this guy can heal you. Yep. When is the walking going to start?

I mean, that, so. And I personally think, before I read the rest of it, that Luke includes that little tidbit about those teachers of the law and the Pharisees that had come from down at the Macon, is why Jesus does this. I mean, that's just my theory. But anyway. So 21, the Pharisees and teachers the laws, here they go. They begin to think to themselves.

And they're not saying it. They're just thinking it, which we all did too. Who is this fellow who speaks blasphemy? Who can forgive sins but God alone? And here's where you get into with Jesus. You got to watch it because he does the Jedi mind trick. Jesus knew what they were thinking. and asked, why are you thinking these things in your hearts?

Can you imagine what they thought when he said that? He's looking at him. He says, why are you thinking about this? Yeah, they're probably looking around. They're not looking around. How does he know? Or see if they're bugged or something. Which is easier to say, your sins are forgiven?

Or to say, get up and walk? But that you may know that the son of man has authority on earth to forgive sins. He said, and then he looks down at the paralyzed man. I tell you, get up, take your mat and go home. Immediately he stood up in front of them, took what he had been lying on, and went home, praising God. And you know he was skipping and dancing on the way. Everyone was amazed and gave praise to God. They were filled with awe and said, we have seen remarkable things today.

It's a wow moment because it's really the physical and the spiritual being prioritized. I want you to so pontificate a little bit on 26th. We went from, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, to everyone was amazed and gave praise to God. Well, is that the naysayers too? I think so. I think in the moment, yes. In the moment they didn't like it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, who can't forgive you?

Only God can forgive you. gives in he said look which is easier for me to say that's right raise a man that can't walk get him up you think that just what happened but it's like a guy comes out and says hey i'm fixed he's in a baseball game he says look i'm fixed to hit this ball not out of the not out of the over the field i'm going to hit it out of the stadium and look okay yeah we uh who are you yeah well then he does it when that moment as it's leaving the stadium even the naysayers are saying, I'll tell you one thing. Heck yeah.

Let's take your last break. That actually happened. They still talk about it. Now it's been almost a hundred years later when Babe Ruth was in Chicago and pointed his bat up and then he hits one right where he pointed it. I mean, they're still talking about 100 years ago, Babe Ruth did that. So to your point. Yeah.

Think about what this line here, though, when they're questioning him and they say, who has the authority to do this? Jesus knows what they're thinking, ask the rhetorical question. But I love this line, because when we talk about miracles all the time, we talk about a lot on this podcast, but the verse 24 is powerful,

but that you may know that the son of man has authority on earth to forgive sins. So he said, why did he perform the miracle? That you may know that the son of man has authority on earth to forgive sins. He said to the man who is paralyzed. I say to you, rise, pick up your bed, and go home. I think we, we, so often,

and I think they hear when they were amazed, they were focused on that miracle, but they missed that, they missed the reason for it. And so he's making sure, he's making sure, uh, that the reason he's there to begin with. I came here. Yeah. To remove the sins of the world. Take a look at that guy. He's on a mat. I'm going to tell him to get up. Y'all know he's sick. You know he can't move. I'm going to show you, I'm showing you that the one who has come down,

when you finally get to the point where you believe that I died for you, was resurrected for you, it's true. Yeah, and the gospel is seed planted in all these events that happen to people. Like, good, not how in the world he'd do that? He's trying to show them. I'm the only one that can remove your sin. I'm trying to show you that. But if the guy would have missed the point

That comes out later as he goes The guy would have missed the point That he could have his sins forgiven What he doesn't realize is even though he was healed And it was awesome Well if he never makes the connection To the real Coming of Jesus

That he is going to die and forget To forgive your sins Groundwork Well he missed it It had been better off for him Not to be able to walk That's right Yeah

And that was Zach's point which I think is true. I think the idea here is they really missed. They were amazed at him being able to get up and run out of there. They should have been amazed that his sins were forgiven. That was much more important. That's what I'm saying. That's why we even see it in our world today.

People are chasing the miracle instead of the miracle worker. Correct. Well, what's it? Yeah. What are you doing? I mean, you have a clear story here, which what is Jesus? I think somebody should say bumper sticker style. What is his point here?

His point is when you get over to, by the time you get to chapter nine, they said, who is he? He replied, some say you, John the Baptist, some say Elijah, still others. They're still trying to figure out who he is. But chapter nine is the first time that he spells it out, I'm going up to Jerusalem, I'm going to die, be buried, and I'm going to be raised from the dead. He's leading them into that. He's basically saying, even though I'm a man, there is a God, and you're looking at him.

That's it. Or I wouldn't be able to do this. Only God could heal, and I think Luke as a doctor is one of the reasons that he wrote these books. It's because he was convicted. If he just come down and not said too much, it just came down and they dragged him off and killed him, this would have he's kind of laying the groundwork so that when he finally gets to his death and his resurrection you can reel back all the things that he did and it's like y'all said earlier you end up by saying he had to have been god well that's what he this guy's saying jesus is doing things

that's not possible in the medical world that's right we have no cure for this and yet he cured him. I wasn't sure I didn't think we had a cure for the leprosy. But evidently, this guy's either God or he has so many tricks. You know, it's got to either be a collusion. So he paid an actor. He paid some guys to act like the guy was paralyzed. Because you know that's what some people are thinking. How many miracles would he have had to have performed, Jase?

How many would it have taken before somebody said? I tell you what, we think he's the way out of here. He's beating death. Unfortunately, because of people's hearts and pride, I think if he did a miracle every day since the beginning of time, some people would still say no. That's right. Because it's not about that.

Well, what do they ultimately do to him in the face of all the miracles that he did perform? They didn't, at least the Pharisees didn't bend their need to the one true God, the Messiah who they've been waiting on. No, instead, they killed him. And so I think that there's, I think that's the thing. If you just want the king, I mean, I'm sorry, if you just want the kingdom without the king, then you're going to look at these miracles with disdain. You're going to look at the works of God with, with anger and resentment and hostility.

And it's always going to be a barrier. But if you want the kingdom with the king, then you will see all of these things as beautiful. And I think that's why in all of these miracles, this constant thread that runs through them is these miracles, are physical manifestations of a spiritual reality. And so that he's healing them of their physical elements, but he's making a point that this is a picture of what I'm going to do to you spiritually. And ultimately, he will redeem us fully one day physically. But, I mean, think about this guy with leprosy.

Think about this man who couldn't walk. The man that he healed that couldn't walk, guess what he's not doing right now? He's not walking, you know? So, I mean, even, so these healings that he was doing physically were temporary healings. What's more important is that you're healed spiritually so that one day you can have a resurrected body that is imperishable. You know what Paul talked about in first, first Christmas is 15. That's the ultimate goal. And don't underestimate.

He didn't say, I'm going to forgive your sins. He said, friend, your sins are forgiven. Yeah. Now, that may not have been what he wanted to hear. but if he would have grasped that, that would have been the greatest thing that could he could have ever heard. You know what I mean?

I know he was looking toward the cross, but when Jesus says your sins are forgiven, that's good enough to me. But he based it. What's interesting on the faith of the four guys. Well, when you think about it, I wish I had friends like that. Me too.

I mean, that's what I got from the story as much as anything else. If I had four friends like that, that could get me, and that's the whole point. point, right? Who can get us to the feet of Jesus? Because that's what friends are about. No, that is a, I don't think that's an undercard point. I think we should all look for people.

I've said this many times. I have an inner circle of not just family members, but spiritual family. And their number one thing is they just have a profound love for Jesus. It's like it can't be hidden. And whether I have anything in common with them or not in the in the real world i mean one of my best friends i've mentioned many times is trant langhofer i mean we literally have nothing in common outside of jesus i guess we have spectacular wives but uh but we're really good friends because i pursued him because i just his his love for jesus was infectious yeah so to all the atheists i would simply say like the old movie there so you're telling me there's a chance

You said, that's what we're telling you. Dad just quoted them and down. He did. I was thinking, Dad, that's pretty impressive. What are you thinking of a change? Is there one out of a million? He said, one out of a thousand? And she said, maybe one out of a million.

He said, so you're telling me there's a chance. That's what we're telling the atheist today here. I didn't know you actually had seen that movie. But, yeah, that's a little shocking. Once a while. You get about 75. Haiti and just saying it's come and go pretty quick. They dropped it in on his gun smoke channel and he just didn't know what it was about.

He can't wait for Matt Dillon to come in. I'm convinced of the resurrection of the dead after this little study today more so than I ever have been in my life. I just don't know how we're going to get around it. You can't get around it. Look, I got a question. You got a better story? Which is why we should do a movie from an investigation standpoint.

We've never done that. You have Luke do the investigation. There is a guy who wants to be on the podcast. He needs to bring him on. He is an investigative. He was an investigator like it was a cop. And he wrote a book called Cold Case. I think it's called Cold Case Christianity.

So he did exactly. He went and looked at this. I'm going to examine this as if this was a cold case. And that's what he did for his career. Isn't that what Luke is doing? Yeah. Well, I'm going to tell you, I'm going to give you a movie movie. He just got you a writer, Jay.

I'm going to give you 24 hours to make a move on it. And if you don't move, I'm going to call Dallas Jenkins and say, look, after you're finished with the chosen, look, we're going to have the investigation. But the cat's already out of the bags because you've given them the information where they say. Somebody will be watching that. We'll watch this movie next year. I don't care. Who does it? I just want it out there.

I want no money. Make this dream a reality. No credit. I just, I had a dream and I was shared it and I think it'd be a good movie. Let's move on it. All right. We're out of time. That's perfect way to him.

So I, Jace, I dug into my old sermons and I found one that I did call The Hole in the Roof Gang. So I'm going to talk a little bit about that in our overtime. The Hole in the Roof Gang. I see what you did there. Yes, you saw. Which might, it would be a good title for another movie. It would be. I'm just, we're doing movies today.

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