Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 715 | Jase Gets Himself into a Pickle Telling Missy Not to Cry & His Future as a Movie Mogul?

Episode Date: July 12, 2023

Jase is in the hot seat with his buddies and his wife after giving some well-intentioned but unwise advice. Amazingly, Jesus gave the same advice in Luke 7, but with much better results. Phil and Al are impressed by the actress playing Miss Kay in "The Blind" and a particular trait she managed to capture in her performance. Jase is excited that Dallas Jenkins, creator of "The Chosen," might actually take his advice on a future movie project! The guys explore the significance of all the resurrection miracles that take place in Luke, the Gospels, and the Old Testament.  In this episode: Luke 7; Acts 10; Mark 15, verse 39; Luke 9, verse 22 https://philmerch.com — Get your “Unashamed” mugs, shirts, hats & hoodies! "The Blind" hits theaters Sept. 28th. Get your tickets TODAY before theaters start to sell out! https://www.fathomevents.com/theblind — Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? Welcome back to Unashame. We were commenting before we got started about our producer Maddie, who's been a breath of fresh air to her podcast because she's so optimistic, she just brings a smile to her work. We like her. And she's newly married as well. So she's got the glow, the bridal glow. I got to meet her husband a couple days ago. Have you guys met her? Yeah, she brought him.

She brought him to set. We vetted him. So he shows up at dinner and, oh, he got involved with some chicken and waffles. I mean, he was a bottomless pit. I will say that. He's not a very big man. No, he's not. I was shocked.

I mean, he ate, I mean, it was a huge plate of waffles and chicken. What? I'm not sure about the combination there. Yeah, that's a lot of couple. Chicken and wavle. Is that what you're doing, North Carolina? We did that in Louisiana. That was your neck of the woods.

I've never eaten chicken. Little blondie, they're vetting your man. She can't comment. This is a nice thing about, we can talk about it. She can't let us know. She's at the stage, about the month and to tread lightly. Yeah, that's right. But, you know, it's interesting because we were talking about optimism.

And she brings that. to our set, which is good. You know, it is important. And Zach, I was going to, Jason made me think about this when we're talking about it, that the actress who played mom in The Blind when we watched the movie recently, I thought she portrayed mom's optimism, just in terms of lifelong optimism, in a really powerful way. It was good.

I mean, that was such a, yeah, it was such a big part of the story because obviously those were, you know, some tough times. But, you know, mom was always pretty optimistic through the process and still is about life. And I just thought that that the lady that played her really, that came across big to me, just in the way her smile. I mean, good actors can do stuff, you know, without you even realize it. But, I mean, I don't know.

Did you pick that up, Dad? I did. Yeah, I just thought it was a very optimistic performance. And it really captured my mind. Yeah. It's amazing what optimism is. can bring to a like the energy it brings and we were joking on the other side of the podcast but I mean when you I've always tell our producers this that like when you're in a room producing

content like when you're the one talking I mean you need that feedback a lot of times you don't get it you know if somebody's in the room laughing at your jokes I mean it just elevates the whole conversation even if you're not saying anything just having that positive energy and laughing at the jokes and you know it's it's horrible when you don't have when you don't have an audience at all you you give a joke and that nobody's laughing at you're happen. Well, I always kind of view my role as the Ed McMahon of the Johnny Carson Tonight Show. But, but I'd be serious. I'm not doing that just because, you know, I'm trying to like fulfill a role. I mean, it's just things are genuinely funny to me that, that you guys say.

And so if something's funny, I'm going to laugh. I propose that we have a button on this table that Phil and I are sitting at. And because I've seen other TV shows have this. And I can just push it. I won't overuse it, but I push it, and it's the sound of crickets. You've wanted that for some time. I think when you say something profound or a joke that's funny and nobody laughs, which usually happens if Al's not here, then I should be able to click that button. So then they can go back and listen to what, you know, because it just went, it went over your head, you know.

I used to do a position. with my kids when I would tell them something and I was kidding and they didn't get it, I would lift my hands over my head like this. It looked like deer antlers. And they never understood why I did that until they were all teenagers. My point was, yeah, you need to catch what I just said because it went right over your head. Well, you had that problem last night when you were preaching, right? I did the last week.

Well, that used to bother me, but now it doesn't. Silence doesn't bother me. You know, I tell a joke and nobody laughs. Well, you're real dry. So, I mean, it takes a minute. Okay, wait. A lot of times your punchlines, when you deliver them, which is what makes it funny. But there are times that I don't know you're telling a joke until you get to the punchline, which is a great setup.

But then my brain has to catch up with, you know what I'm saying? Because I'm thinking we're going down to like a legitimate road here. here and then you deliver the punchline. Well, you're violating the Jace principle. And my good friend, Kevin Magintosh, to explain myself to me. He's not a counselor, but he was the guy that was brought to the Lord accidentally. And I mean that from a human perspective because God knew what he was doing. But we were studying with someone else.

He came in the house, which was the equivalent of a frat house. He didn't get the memo that some of the members of the frat house were coming to the Lord. So he came over there for the party. He saw a Bible and just left the room immediately. But he overheard the gospel being shared to another fellow who did not respond and wanted nothing to do with it. And so when the study was over, he came out of the closet saying, I'm ready, which was incredible. But one time he said very profound, he said, I've noticed something about being around you and I've come to a conclusion and I said lay it on me he said I'm never listening to you again unless you have duck calls in your hand or a Bible and I said that's probably

a pretty good idea yep that's when you're serious no he just said that's when it's actually meaningful there's hope the rest of it is nonsense no it was not a compliment it was was, again, I can catch on there. I'm like, I don't think that's, uh, no, he was ripping me to shreds. He was like, I'm not listening to you anymore unless you have a Bible in your hand, because he's not a duck down. What he was saying was is that most of what Jay's is flowing out of Jay's mouth is bull shabaki. Yeah, it's for Bible and ducko. Yeah. And it's like, you know, your wife, my lovely wife, brings that out. She agrees with that assessment. But, you know, marriage, I mean, we were talking about Maddie being newly married. One of the good things about being married, which it's hard to

accomplish when you're single, is when you read that story about Jesus said, you know, you can't, you shouldn't be, or you can't see to take the speck out of someone's eye because you have a plank in yours. But marriage reveals that plank. and your marriage partner. Oh, yeah. At some point, they're like, you literally have a telephone pole coming out of your eye and you can't see it. I heard Matt Chandler. I think Matt Chandler said this or somebody said this.

It was funny. They said, getting married is the greatest tool of sanctification. And it's like driving a Mack truck through your life. It's like, I mean, marriage will. I mean, they'll expose things in you that you didn't know or there, which is beautiful, but it's painful too. It was the old avatar. the line from Avatar of the movie, when they would see each other, they would say, I see you. And that was kind of their connection to like saying, I love you.

But you're right, Jason, marriage, you see more clearly than anybody else. Once you become two, become one in a covenant relationship. You see everything. And so that's where you deal with it, which is powerful. So we're in the book of Luke, Luke chapter six is where we are. Actually, Luke Chetterset, Luke 7. Sorry. And we're talking about the faith of a centurium

because they had sent for Jesus. And in the overtime segment of the last podcast, we were talking about what happened here and that the servant was healed. And that kind of led us into a discussion a little bit about miracles and sort of the limited nature of miracles, because if they don't get you to the one who, does the miracles.

And Jason, you said this many times before on the podcast. It's not going to do you a lot of good. I mean, it may help you in the moment, but it doesn't help you in the long run. And so when you said that, I teased to our overtime audience that it gave me an idea for a sermon because I was thinking about that there were, there's kind of three centurions that have an interesting presence in the Bible. And, of course, this is the first one. And the second one, you remember at the end of Mark and Mark 15, when Jesus has died,

it said that there was a man there, the centurion, who stood there in front of Jesus, heard his cry and saw how he died. And he said, surely this man was the son of God. And when we studied the book of Mark, we talked about how that it was amazing because just watching what happened and the way it happened, it instilled in him a faith that this guy was who he said he was. And so then I thought about the third centurion, which was in Acts chapter 10, which was Cornelius, who was a God-fearing man who was praying and got a vision to send some men for Peter who came to him and shared the gospel with

he and his family, came into his house. You know, and so it hit me when you were talking about this, Jace, that there these three centurions, they found Jesus. They found Jesus. it's by different means. One was by a miracle, which is the guy we've been talking about. The second guy was by witnessing his death and the way he died. And then the third guy was one who got a direct revelation because he already feared God that your family and your future can be blessed. And so Cornelius actually ushered in the Gentile world into the church in the first century. And so just the progression of those three centurians. So I thought about calling it something like, you know, a tale of three centurions and showing that the, as you progress along, ultimately your faith is what leads you to salvation in Jesus.

But I don't know. No, I think it's good. It sparked out of that discussion. You could use Neiman in the, because his situation was kind of similar to this where, you know, you could look that up and see the similarities. But I will say this, on the first one, it wasn't the miracle that necessarily. necessarily what got him. It was that he realized he could do a miracle. And which goes to my point,

the realizing Jesus has the capability of that, that he is the most powerful man to ever walk on the earth is more important than the actual miracle itself. Because miracles are temporary. So I'm sure, I mean, this guy was healed, his servant, but it doesn't say, and they lived happily ever after. I'm sure at some point he died of something else. So the point is, if you're surrendered to Jesus, you realize that no matter what happens,

whether you get the miracle or you don't, there's something greater that's happening on the other side that you don't want to miss out on. I mean, the whole plan of this kingdom, the reason it's a greater kingdom than any other kingdom that's ever been or will be is because it's eternal. It shows different people, but the centurion was a trained killer in a member of a group. These guys were trained killers. Sometimes it's hard to reach trained killers because of the job they do and the way it's structured. all the way to the top dog. Yeah, I think it's a great contrast, Phil.

I mean, he was a trained killer, and Jesus specializes in keeping people a lot. That's right. So, which leads us to our next story, which... I mean, they're hard to reach overall. They're pretty hard to reach. So in verse 11, you know, soon afterward, Jesus went to a town called Nain, which I've been into the Israel area when we went there.

this was about 20 miles probably southeast of the sea of galilee and and the reason i'm bringing this up is because it's still a little community today and right outside where the city is there was a huge graveyard and tombs and so a lot of times you you hear the and it's the only time this city is mentioned in the entire bible but just what is it lucky that they they they wrote this down and it's still over there today and pretty well is I see how this happened because it was a big graveyard there so I just thought I'd bring that out but so they went to a towel called name and his disciples and a large crowd went along with him and he approached the town gate a dead person was being carried out the only son of his mother and she was a widow and a large

crowd from the town was with her. So there was a funeral procession here. When the Lord saw her, his heart went out to her and he said, don't cry. Then he went up and touched the coffin and those carrying it stood still.

Because that was kind of a taboo thing for anybody back in their cultures. You don't touch a dead body or a coffin. Young man, I say to you, get up. The dead man sat up and began to talk, which is kind of humorous. I mean, he went from dead to

immediately talking, which the great mystery in cliffhanger is what was he saying? I would love to have known. And it may be, you know, where we got some of the ideas about what happens after you die, because I'm sure I would have loved to have that conversation and what he said. But anyway, and Jesus gave him back to his mother. They were all filled with all. and praise God, a great prophet has appeared among us. They say, God has come to help his people. This news about Jesus spread throughout Judea and the surrounding country. So a couple of interesting things I want to add to that, Jay's, and looking this up. One is it made me think about, there were two different instances, and one was in First Kings 17,

when Elijah was with the widow and he provides her with the sustenance, you know, she and her son are there. And again, only son. And so it saves their lives because there was a great famine. And then the son dies. And then the woman's like, well, why would you even save us? You know, if he's just going to die. So Elijah raises him from the dead.

And he said he gave him to his mother. And that was one image I thought about and had this idea. idea. And the second one was, and you're right when you said that name, it's only time it's mentioned in the Bible, but it's interesting because this same area was used to be called Schumann in the Old Testament. And Elisha, who came along after Elijah, also raised a widow son, her only son, in this same region. And so I think the reason that's applicable here and important is when they say a great prophet has appeared among us, God has come to help his people. They're having a throwback.

They would have known about these stories, you know, in the Old Testament. And so they see what Jesus did as in linking him back to already a couple of other times where great prophets rose up a widow son. So I didn't think it was interesting when you just look back at the history that it's not on accident that God just says, yeah, let me just show you this little thing. And he didn't even say anything about it, but it's just implied that this power coming through Jesus as a prophet, I thought was pretty interesting. Yeah, it is. And there's a lot to unpack here. I mean, you know, when you read this story and not consider all the details, I mean, this place was

known for its beauty. That's what name means. And here, Jesus sees this woman who is a widow. So she's already gone to one funeral, which was her husband. And now this is her son, which in their only son. Yeah, which is in their culture,

pretty much means that you have no one to take care of you. And she's crying. And what I found fascinating is Jesus said something that, I mean, this hit me like a ton of bricks last night when I was reading this. Jesus got away. with something that no man

has ever gotten away with in the history of manhood. He told a woman don't cry. And it ended well. Because every time, I thought back to every time, including this past week, we were involved in a situation.

We were on a conference call. Missy started crying, so I was like, I started tapping her on the leg, you know. And I could tell it was making her angry. But I was like, this is getting i mean you're crying here you know we're having a meeting and your your cry was i was i was basically saying quit crying stop crying you were trying to be encouraging when we well that's what i spun it i spun it after the phone call ended and she literally just lit me up

were you telling me not to cry are you now in charge of my emotion you know she was like yeah well no the thing was, I mean, I was just, I was trying to encourage you. I was tapping and saying, it's going to be okay. It's okay. I'm here for you, baby. So I don't know. I mean, I don't want to come up with something revolutionary here, but I'm just saying we talked about, you know, marriage, how this whole podcast got started.

But I learned. No, I don't guess I have learned because they keep doing it. But it's just not going to end well. Because me, I want to fix everything, you know. But in this case, you know, but in this case. The reason Jesus got away with it when he said don't cry, and I'm sure that wasn't well received in the first moment. I've lost my husband.

I've lost my son. It's just terrible. But you can get away with it if you have the power to raise a dead son. He was basically to say, I've come so your tears will dry up. Exactly. Well, the contrast is to, you know, and Luke's... six, he said, blessed are you when you weep? And so you're like, well, now he's telling her don't cry, which is I also thought about that. But the reason that we're blessed when we do cry

is because we have a savior like Jesus. He's providing the comfort. I mean, that's a blessed situation. Yep. That's such a good point that you, only the one with the power to fix why she's crying can tell her not to cry. That's right. In fact, when we deal with couples, you know, a different settings and one particular course we taught one of the things the instructors told us is look when someone begins to cry in a setting like this when you know because you're getting to some emotional stuff don't say anything don't try to make them stop because they're they're trying to deal with this emotion so the only thing we could do in our training was just hand them a tissue i mean that's how much power we had was like here's something to help you wipe the tears because we had no power to change their

emotional state. But you're right. It's such a great point that Jesus does have that power to take that away, take that away that's causing the pain and causing the difficulty. So now I have an idea because, I mean, I haven't learned my lesson about don't cry, but I am now. Now that I've read this, I realize that I have a problem because I've done this at least 100 times. And it never ended well. So what if I say, Jesus said, don't cry. no okay maddie put a thumbs down on it no no good that's not that's not gonna work he's got a yeah they've got to read this on their own okay so we've learned in marriage i mean this is a practical thing don't do but it is a bigger point and a more important point that the reason jesus

could get away with that is in this moment i mean you think about what happened and even though it was a temporary miracle. You know, he only raised three people from the dead. And the next one's in the next chapter. Jerius' daughter. Yep. This young man and Lazarus. And Lazarus, right.

Which is kind of, it's kind of interesting if you think about it. Of all the miracles he did, and he was around thousands of people, he just did this three times. and all three of those guys or three people died again. So what do you think about that? Well, and in the case of Lazarus, to make him even more spicy, is he let him die before you. I mean, he could have, you know, they were like, if you'd have just gotten here, you know, if you'd have just said the word. Yeah, he didn't prevent it, I guess.

Right. He waited. He waited a couple of days. Then he comes and he's already dead. So I think it's to the point that you said before. Let's take another point. I think it's the point you said before, Jace, that he's showing that physical death is not ultimately, even physical death, which to us is the worst thing possible, is not the ultimate

defeat. And he was going to make his own resurrection be that. I think that's why he probably would be limited. That's a great point because he healed thousands of people from all sorts of things and was there, but he only raised three from the dead. And it tells you something about what he was trying to convey to the people that he was dealing with. All of those things only pointed to him.

But the idea was the only way you can live forever is to be in him. And so I think he was like that was reserved just specifically for what he was going to do, maybe. I mean, it's just my guess, my theory. Yeah, I was just looking at different stories and research. He hasn't died yet. Jesus. Right.

Well, right. But he's planting the seed also that he has that kind of power, which ultimately he proved it when he came back from the dead, which is what other, I mean, what other message are you sending to give people peace about their own death? But in all that research I was doing, I saw a couple of funny stories. I mean, one, there was an inscription in a tomb like a cave in these cities. situations because I've told you all before when I went to Israel and they had the tombs that you could go visit that they weren't they didn't say oh this was Jesus's tomb but they're like it was

like this and they're basically all cave you go in a cave and there's a little room and they sculpted out and it's kind of eerie I mean it's it's dark it's gloomy it's cool it's just and you just don't like to think about that. I mean, it'd be like you going to a six-foot hole, you know, and some counselors have done that for therapy. You know, they, they make people dig a grave and then get in it and then reflect, you know, and then they do the counseling. I mean, it's not a God thing. They just, or I've heard that, that people do that. Because you're, you're trying to put things in perspective. You're still alive. And so, I don't know, that might be, that might work.

Well, one point needs to be remembered in all this in the middle of Matthew, Matthew 16, Matthew Mark, about Mark 9, I think it is, Luke. So we're in Luke, but it is interesting that if you turn two pages, which we will in the next few weeks, Jesus strictly warned them not to tell this to anyone because Peter said, you're the Christ, the son of the living God. And then he says, the son of man must suffer many things.

And just think about he raised three. But he warned them not to tell anyone. He said, the son of man will suffer many things. And he would be rejected by the elders, chief priest, teachers of the law. But he must be killed. on the third day be raised to life. So something about if he didn't raise but three, which is not a whole lot,

but when it came to himself, he said you strictly were told the apostles don't make an issue. Well, I think that had more to do with his death because the 1st Corinthians 2.7 says that if they would have known exactly what they were doing, they wouldn't have done it. I think the resurrection

I just don't think they believe people because like here Phil they were all going around it says they were telling everybody about it but the problem is that is so crazy people are not believing that look we have a book that that is filled with history like I just said

you can go visit name today I mean what is that a coincidence that is still there and people still don't believe it I know. I mean, and they're going to die. You would think, well, if you had no other options, why are you not doing this? Yeah.

So I do think that was more about the evil world and the spiritual forces of evil. If they had are known that by Jesus' death, that they're doomed, well, they wouldn't have crucified him. I mean, that's what I think. Yeah, he's raising them from the dead, but they've got doubts about even him coming alive. Nobody would believe that. That's right. I mean, what I'm saying at my point is proven by his own disciples that Jesus is death, where were they?

Well, they ran. Yeah. They saw him raise somebody from the dead. That's right. But it's one thing to let your mind go down that road. It's another thing in real life when they say, we're fixed to kill you. And you're like, no, look, don't worry about it. I'm going to be back.

I'm going to come back. It'd just be hard for you to believe. Oh, no doubt about it. What was your realization from when you looked into the tomb? You didn't quite finish this time. Yeah, what I was going to say is when I came out, you know, I was overwhelmed with emotion. It's like I never thought about it while I was in there. I thought, oh, this is cool, you know, it's a tomb.

This is how that, because I was thinking, it's like we, you know, I was thinking a cemetery. You put people on the ground. But when they put people in the ground, it was in a cave and they had a little place for you to lay. But when I stuck my head, out, and I was in Israel, I thought, this is what I believe. And it made me think of an article I read last night. So there's a tomb in England that someone, I guess when they, kind of like when we pick out our grave sites in America, well, over there, this was a cave. And so when they, they picked their cave, they wrote on the wall.

And it was like a poem, but it was basically the thrust of it was, you know, follow me. And because, you know, I'm for who I am. And it was a weird, it was a long, I started to take a picture of it and read it, but it was really long and kind of old English type. But it was like, follow me, I'm at peace. And so someone when they visited the team, because it kind of became something cool, wrote a smaller poem up under it. They just scratched it with like a stick that said,

well, I wouldn't be content until I knew which way you went. Because they were saying, oh, it's nice to say, you know, in your moment of death, I'm fine. But, and, you know, you can follow me. But from other people's perspective, we're wondering, well, which direction did you go before I decide to follow you, because you could be sincerely mistaken, or are you a believer? And I think the point that I was trying to make there is Jesus' resurrection is what changes people's lives. That's what connects us to being resurrected. These

miracles were just allowing people's minds to realize that he's the son of God. He has this kind of power. And they would die again. It was a temporary sign to show that Jesus is who he says he is. That's what it was for. The greater resurrection that we'll all participate in was proven when Jesus came back from the dead because he destroyed death itself forever. He's still alive. He is right now at the right hand of God. That's why I always said Jesus and who he is and the power he has and what he did trumps all miracles that could ever come into your life. Yep. Because there would be temporary things that say, okay, you must have some access to the

God. It's eternal. And it goes back to what he's saying in Luke 6th. This is why I'm the king. There's a God. You're not him. I'm the king. My kingdom will last forever.

You may cry. You may have problems. Because that's what people have trouble with when they read the Bible. They're like, well, in one moment, he's saying, well, blessed are you when you mourn? And then the next chapter, he's saying, don't cry. I mean, so what is it? But he's not realizing that this life is going to be difficult. Following Jesus is going to be difficult.

You are going to be persecuted. Things are not going to go your way. But the overriding factor is that Jesus is Lord, this is eternal. When you're dealing with sinful people on a sinful planet, bad things are going to happen. We're perishable. Trees are going to fall on your house. It's not, it doesn't mean that, you know, God doesn't love you. And you use that to get clarity.

And that's what we view all this difficulty and persecution is. And to realize that no matter what happens, we're winning. And in the meantime, we're going to be passionate about sharing Jesus. Yeah, and it also shows you, Jay, is what you just mentioned is the importance of context. Because in the context of those blessings and woes he mentioned, he was talking, he was talking about what you gain your value on earth versus what's going to be in heaven. Whereas in the case of this woman, he's like, I can, I'm going to grant this blessing to you. So don't cry because this is me.

But in both cases, the answer is him, no matter what the context is. I did think it was interesting. This story also shows another component of Jesus' humanity. Because, you know, it's really interesting in the case of the centurion, there was a faith element. And then he's like, wow, he's amazed. Look at this guy's faith. You know, and then you see the healing. And that happens a lot in Jesus's miracles.

In this case, nobody says anything about faith. In other words, he just sees what's happening. He realizes this is a widow who's lost her only son. So he knows what that means, too. She's destitute now. She's got nothing. And strictly out of compassion, like he just sees this. situation, it moves him, and he goes over and says, I'm going to raise this woman's son.

I mean, we don't see anything about anybody having this great faith or anything. He just does this blessing because he's moved in his heart for it. And it reminded me of the story in Lazarus when he came there and you remember, like, he knows he's going to raise him from the dead. But when he sees how distraught they are, he weeps. He's moved in his heart with compassion for him, even though he knows he's going to raise him of the dead. and he cries with them in that case.

You're talking about crying, Jay's. In that case, he cries himself. And so it's really interesting in every context that Jesus is in. What comes through is his heart for people. Whether they distribute or whether they look like they have faith or not, he still has compassion, which is very powerful to me. Oh, it really is. I've preached that sermon many times.

I mean, why did Jesus cry, which was the first verse I learned in the Bible, because it was the shortest. Two words. Jesus wept. But why did he cry, even though he knew everything was going to be okay? Well, that question, it shows you the power of God right there. I mean, him becoming a man, he understands our temptations, our difficulties. He's lived it, and he overcame it.

And he has a love for us, which is why he came down. And it is okay to cry. You know, I cry all the time now. But it took a while for me to, you know, to have Jesus take over my heart and realize that I need to be compassionate about those who suffer. And it's okay to, you know, shed a tear here and there. But deep down, I'm not grieving like people who have no hope. There's a difference. It's not a, you know, a chaotic panic of there's no hope.

there's nothing I can do, or poor me or self-pity, or we hurt when people hurt, and that's a godly quality, even though we know it's going to be okay. And Jesus did that. I mean, he cries, and then he raises him from the dead. You're like, well, why did he cry? Because when we hurt, he hurts. And I think it's an awesome personality trait of the living God. Well, and it just, it brings out that humanity side of who he is so much.

And you know what the reason I put this story into what I'm calling my untouchable category is because it was it was against ceremonial law to touch a dead body or anything connected to a dead body. It would make you ceremony unclean. You'd have to go and, you know, be consecrated by the priest and all this to be able to go into the temple. So this is another one of those situations. I mean, Jesus didn't have to touch the coffin to raise the guy from the dead. We saw that in the previous miracle, right? I mean, he could have just said it, and he could have set up and taught.

But he went out of his way to do something that in the moment would make him ceremonially unclean to touch the coffin with the dead body inside. And so, again, he didn't do things by accident. I mean, he's conveying a message there that people are. more important than our traditions and that which makes us ceremonially unclean. And so I just think it's another one of those where it, and he doesn't get into any controversy here about it, but it was another one of those moments where he's doing something that the people around it would never do. And yet because he's the son of God, he doesn't.

Well, that's a great point because we always think, you know, if someone is sick, we don't want to touch them because we don't want to get sick. but if you are incapable of that and when you touch people the opposite effect happens that you're healed that you're cured that you're cleansed and that's why you know jesus provides so much hope and i think you could do a lesson on this and title it dead man talking yeah which is a contrast of the two kingdoms you know a dead man walking that's when he's going to be executed this guy comes up talking, which is, you know, you think about all the things in our culture that we used to describe this. So, you know, when they're trying to solve a crime or they'll say, you know, they were talking

from the grave, you know, because they left some, some note or, you know, I remember reading a funny story. A message. A message from beyond the pale. I read a story one time that there was a woman who never married. And so when, when, When she died, she left in her will that she didn't want to be, she didn't want any male paw bearers. And she said the reason for this is when I was alive, none of them wanted to take me out. And so I'm not going to let them take me out when I'm dead. You know, she spoke from the, she spoke from. Boy, that's what a grudge to hold against somebody.

Yeah, that was kind of funny. But, you know, the point here in this is because we're so fascinated with what happens when someone dies. And, I mean, there's TV shows. There's, you know, people seeing the light and the tunnel and the, you have all these things. And you actually have a person on the earth who had that experience. And I really think it's just not for us to understand what happens. because if God wanted us to know, well, we would know. I mean, so I'm not troubled.

I mean, I'm kind of making a joke about that, but to me it's just fascinating that we're so obsessed with this. And here you have a historical document based on a place that is still there today where there was a guy dead and he come back to life. And when he came back to life, he was talking 90 miles of hour. And it's just fascinating to me that this is a reality. The more you read this, the more you think about this, there is a legitimate way for us to come back from the dead and to be fully functional, which is amazing and awesome. Plus, imagine how many stories were told by this guy

and his mom and the little funeral procession they were there about what happened there. Oh, I'm pretty sure this guy had a podcast. They didn't call it a podcast. I mean, it's instant podcast. It was called Dead Man Talking. That was the podcast. That's where I was going with that. The name of the podcast was, we're glad you're here.

He found a hill over there, and the people gathered up, and he's like, let me explain to you, you know, what happened. I mean, you know, it's an instant celebrity that happened here. And I just, I think it's, it's, this is. is the only place this story is recorded, but when you start thinking of the ramifications of this, this is very encouraging to a human being that knows one day he's going to die. Well, and it kind of lends itself back, Jace, to the John when he closed out his book, remember John 21? He said, I can't even, there's not enough books to hold everything that Jesus did while

he was here. And so, like, we got the ones through four different eyewitnesses that he did, but it only scratches the surface of all the stories and things. I mean, there were stuff like this happening, I guess, every day, you know, for three years. And so, you know, we don't even, we got a way to get to heaven to hear all the rest of the stories. Oh, yeah. I will say, I will say this is one of the times that I'm envious of Dallas Jenkins, because what he's

doing with the Chosen, because wouldn't it be neat to just film this story? And then, you know, we don't know what he said, but then just to imagine. and get to imagine that him having a whole speech when he comes back from the dead. I mean, that'd be fun to be able to create that imagination. Well, evidently, he got word of my, I made a proposal a few podcasts ago about doing a movie about Luke. And from a doctor's viewpoint, and I told, well, eventually, because we had a conversation me and Dallas, Genevidently that idea got back to him. And he said, he said, yeah, in the future.

Because he's kind of busy right now. Yeah. So that may be coming, you know, one day where we do it. And so I was telling him further that it was kind of a dream I had where I thought of this movie, where he's like the medical expert and he investigates all these healings. And so he's like testifying in a court of law because it is interesting. that a doctor is seeing healings and things that are supernatural. You know, once you do the paddles and the, you know, you make a call,

they, they, that's their official, we're calling it. What are they calling? They're calling your life. It's over. You just got the call. That's bad for you. They sign a piece of paper. Time of death.

204 p.m. 204. It's over. And they move on. because there's literally nothing a doctor can do in that moment. So for a doctor to be writing this, there just seems something interesting about that to me. I think this needs to, you know, there needs to be a movie about this. Because what he's portraying here in our minds is something that is theoretically impossible in the medical field.

you know once you make the call now we told about the person from ecuador you know that you know evidently they didn't check their pulse and you know five hours into the funeral they hear the knocking on the coffin and she's like what are y'all doing now she she came up talking but they concluded that she actually wasn't dead they made a bad call and i'm sure that's what people would probably say about this situation but jesus proved later on in this book because he was dead three days which is why I think it was three days. Once you're dead and buried for three days, it's over. Pretty well.

It's over. It wasn't asleep, you know, it wasn't some hocus, bogus. And then I think you validate that once you leave without the aid of a mechanical instrument. Once you leave the earth, levitating, you know, you pretty much have a power that has unknown to every other. So it's interesting, Jay. I never thought about you. You just said that about Luke's investigation into these stories. And he's talking about him.

He is a medical doctor. And I wonder if his own experiences helped him in that because I just looked over at Acts chapter 20 when Eutychus was sitting in a window and Paul is preaching. And Luke, who writes the book of Acts, says on the first day of the week, we came together. to break bread. So he was with Paul at this setting when they all got together. And then Euticus falls out of the window and he dies. And so we know Luke was there.

And again, this is just conjecture. But I wonder if Luke ran out. They said, is there a doctor in the house? Luke raises him. Yeah, they go down there. And then there's like, hey, you touch it. You know what this is the equivalent of a doctor. What was the doctor during?

COVID that caused all the controversy. Fauci. This is the equivalent to Dr. Fauci coming on, one of many days he comes on, and breaking news comes up, you know, a press conference. And he's like, look, I know, you know, there's 17 million people in 104 countries that have, you know, contacted the disease. And he goes through all the stats. And he says, but we have found a man that if he touches you, you will be healed.

Now, how would that press conference have come across? Pretty shocking. Yeah, but that's what is being portrayed here. We have a doctor. That press conference, you needed your button and you touched the button and it's crickets. But Luke, every time he shares one of these, this is a doctor saying that there is a man touching people and they're cured. He's touching a coffin and they're coming back from the dead talking. I mean, he's making one breaking news statement after another,

and it's not coming from just, you know, a commercial fisherman. It's an actual doctor. And look, there's a lot of ways you can view death. But the bottom line is, Chase, without what we're reading, you're not getting out of here alive. Not getting out of the ground. We go to the funerals, we cry, we say, well, that's it. Well, wait a minute, maybe it's not.

I mean, just think about this is the greatest news on the planet. That's why. What you're hearing. When I ask someone, and you can see it, about atheists, when I say, do you have a better story when it comes to physical death? What is your story? Well, a fellow who says, you know, they're Jesus saying. We don't want to be with him.

Well, so he's headed toward death. We all are. And this says you can beat it. It can be beaten. You follow the one who died and is now alive. I would say that's definitely a better story. So we're out of time. We'll flesh us out a little bit more.

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