Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 72 | Jase's 'Duck Dynasty' Skinny Jeans, the Swoon Theory Debunked, and Baptism Without Jesus???

Episode Date: April 5, 2020

Jase and Phil go behind the scenes of hair, makeup, and wardrobe on "Duck Dynasty." Let's just say the skinny jeans didn't fly. Phil explains why dressing down is biblical. Jase and Al share some more pandemic film suggestions, including a Christian movie that's not cheesy! And the guys finally get to John 3 and discuss Phil's two baptisms, baptism as burial, the swoon hypothesis about Jesus, "baptism" without Jesus, and the thief on the cross. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? We're back. We're back. We're in the Unashamed podcast. Now, Jase, this is my everywhere I go is the, not necessarily Bucky's, but is the hand sanitizer for every surface touched. You know, it's like. Yeah, I went to buy some.

Guess what? Oh, yeah. It ain't terrible. We had a little stockpile. Lisa is a hoarder. She's kind of like mom. And so she had a bag, a gallon bag with about 30 of these in it. And I was like, man, there's a case where that came in handy, you know, that you just had some.

But that's just kind of the way we're living in strange days right now. We are. Did you see that on the way down here when I was driving? You said the woman, well, she had a cell phone in one hand and a pistol on her side. I thought, what's going on here? I mean, she's just going to get her some fresh air. Yeah, well, that's the. I saw one of our sisters walking up the road here.

We don't have but one set of neighbors, one of the sister, brother and sisters. Are they pretty? I noticed she was walking along in an exercise mode, and I pulled up there just kidding around with it. I said, what's in the bag? She had a bag like this carrying like a purse. I said, I was thinking, I said, I was going to just kid around with her. You thought it was going to be a honey bun. No, I thought it was what she said it was, but I just said,

What's in the bag, I said, I'm packing. I said, okay, just checking. I'm packing. I've noticed there's been a big run. That explained the purse on my hip. She'd be just carrying it. Yeah. But if you notice there's been a run on toilet paper, we've well documented that, hand sanitizer.

And then guns and ammo. Oh, yeah. Well, and there was a pretty good run on that already, but you're right, it picked up. And, of course, you know, the left wingers, they took this as their time to shut that down. Yeah, in California, they're like, you know, non-essential, so they shut down all the gun stores. Oh, yeah. Which, yeah, I mean, they have the authority to do it, but it just gets you back into that mode again of, here we go. I mean, what would it take to shut it down, you know, which is kind of the whole argument, which is you need it now more than ever to have protection.

I mean, when you're kind of teetering on the bubble here, economic collapse, you've got a lot of stuff. I want to be a lot. I mean, some people take it too far, I guess. So they do. All right, look, I got a good movie since everybody's watching. Everybody's been asking about stuff, you know, give us ideas to watch. You know, I've been getting a lot of emails about that. Oh, I got a good one.

I don't watch much, so. The movie is called, it was released, I think, Friday night. Now, what's happened is you can't go to the movies now. So they... How do you watch it? Well, they release movies now. All this live streamers, Amazon Prime, Netflix, and all them. They, they, you can just watch the movie.

Now, it costs 20 bucks because they're like, this is the movie. Like if you go to the movie, and they're like, and there's, you can't limit how many people watch it. So you're actually getting a deal. I mean, at first I was like, 20 bucks. But then Missy's like, well, if we all went to the movies, it'd be 100. And that's not, and we make our popcorn for a dollar. I was going to say the 20 bucks would be a small thing of popcorn in one bottle of water. There's your 20 bucks right there.

Don't get me chasing that thing. That is ridiculous. It's crazy. It's like they got you over a barrel because, I mean, you won't eat some popcorn. I have to eat butter popcorn watching the mix. I just have to do it. I mean, and you've been conditioned to the things popping on the screen. Pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop.

You're looking at it. You're like, I got to have it. And then it's like, here's what's weird. It's like small popcorn, you know, 575. You know, medium is like six bucks. Huge, you know, it's like seven bucks. I'm like, well, at this point, once we got over $5, I'm getting as much. And they know that's what you're going to do.

Well, sure. You know. And then there's like free refills. I'm like, if I eat a bucket of popcorn is big and go refill it and eat it. What was the name of the movie that we filmed? We went to Europe. What was the torchbear? That was a good one.

The last movie. You can find that too, by the way, on Amazon Prime. Yeah. Well, let me introduce. That's the last movie that they said it's a premiere, so they want to be there. Is that the last movie you ever saw? That's the last movie I've said. Oh, my goodness, Phil.

What are you doing for four years ago? You can't go anywhere. I tell you what I am doing. I am showing the American public, the art and science of doing nothing. That's basically what I'm doing now. You're in the high risk age bracket, so I'm not going to argue with that. All right. The name of the movie is I still believe.

So do yourself a favor, especially you men out there. Take control of your home and say, look, this is especially towards your kids. We got required fun tonight. Make it a family fair. 20 bucks, get the whole family in there. You're saving money. Do the popcorn, you know, in the water. whatever, and you get in there and watch it.

I know the guy the movie's about. I personally know him. I met him. I was speaking somewhere in Florida, I think at his church. And he is obviously the worship leader. He's a contemporary Christian music singer. Jeremy Kemp is his name. How old is Jeremy Kemp?

Ah, now you put me on the spot. I'm going to guess at, oh, man, I'm going to say in between 35 and 40. Okay. Maybe. So he's not young. What are we saying? Let's test my theory.

So I'm wondering, the reason I ask is because you and I go to a lot of churches and speak. And anytime I go where there's like a real youthful pastor and the worship people that are up front, and they're all in their 20s, most of them, early 30s, they all have the same look. It's kind of a, and it doesn't matter. I can go to Arkansas. I go to Florida. You go to New York. they cut everything short on the side, but leave it along up top.

They got the little, I call them elf boots, their little boots with a pointy shoe on them. Now, you've hit a nerve of this. I don't know what's going on. What is that? There's some churches. It's like a millennial type feel to it that we're all going to. Of course, your son dresses like, I mean, read wears stuff like that. He's out of that stage.

Oh, that's good. He graduated. Good. But, you know, he went from, what, 18 to 22. He went through that little stage. but now look I took a picture of a guy when I went to that seminar you showed it's exactly it's like a cookie cutter it's like he was going to take off like one of these you know the got the boots and the hair swept back and the pants way too tight oh yeah skinny jeans skinny jeans are part of it no I got you know I remember this is this is really funny I remember one day we were filming duck dynasty and of course we all did our own wardrobe, obviously,

watching the show. But we had a wardrobe person for a little while. At the end, they just said, forget it. Would it matter? It's the same thing from last week. But we had this, we called her the German. Remember the woman from Germany? You know, you remember the German dad? Real nice woman. And she said,

I came in and she said, look, I thought we would change her look a little bit. And so she gave me a shirt. She went shopping and bought it. So I was feeling, you know, well, maybe I should try. Well, she handed me these pants. I didn't look at them. I can't get those things past my ankles.

And you're pretty skinny. Yeah, I'm like, what are these calls? And she said skinny jeans. Oh, boy. Let me tell you something. If this is a condition for me being on this show, let me just tell whoever is paying you, I'm out. I like to be free roaming.

I'm not putting something on this, this, uncomfortable. They paid me one visit, the hair and makeup faction of the film crew. And some little chick came up, you know, and she said, we're ready for you, Mr. Ralph's a hair and makeup. I'm like, no. And I turned and walked away and wound that up. I try to keep my wordage about how people look at a minimum. Don't show favoritism. Suppose a man comes into your meeting wearing a gold ring and fine clothes. And a poor man and shabby clothes also comes in. If you show special attention to a man wearing fine clothes and say, here's a good seat for you. But say to the poor man, you stand there or you sit on the floor, you get over there among yourselves.

You become judges with evil thoughts. So there is something to be said about dress. basically, biblically speaking, from what I've been able to see, the overarching thrust is downplay? Just down. Well, what's interesting about that? I mean, I'm just saying, I've read the thing from cover to cover. You say, you don't want to get too out of whack. About that text is if you were to walk in to this assembly described by James, and they would

tell you to go stand over there. Now, you're not a poor man. That is correct. You're actually, by our standard, you're a rich man. But because you look the way you do, they would say you stand over there. That's correct. And we're going to get this seat to out. That's why we've had these stories.

That's why I got kicked out of the Trump Hotel. I'm like, hey, buddy, I'm supposed to be here. Yeah, right. If I'm spiffed up with the shoes they're wearing the tight pants and the flare hair, look, if I look like that, I would think it would. not be conducive to helping the homeless that we work with all the time. But, you know, they really do a pretty good job with it. Here's what I don't like about.

I mean, I'm not, I'm going to go with it, you know, but. And I'm poking fun because you guys are great if any of you watch. I don't really see what. It's a cultural thing. It is. I don't see what the draw. To me, if you're all dressing the same way, I mean, we're God reveals himself from the inside out. So I don't feel like putting that pressure.

I'm not sure what that look is. I don't like it. But it is weird. That is a weird thing. I just poke fun at them when I meet them. You know, essentially, our church, so West Free Road, we are a super blue-collarish, you know, lower-end socioeconomic church in terms of just the people. That kind of describes West Monroe.

You don't have a lot of professional people. You don't see a lot of people wearing suits in our area. But for a long time at church, when we met at the building, people still would dress up. But I've noticed over the years now there's like one or two holdouts, you know. But some people believe you have to look your best.

That was the mindset, yeah. And even today, there's churches that they think that somehow another... That you're dishonoring God if you're not dressing up. Yeah, well, look, I googled... Clothing and what you wear is not an issue with me. I don't care what you look like. I said Jeremy was 35 to 40. he's 42 and i tried to call him on the way down here because you know i know this guy we're we're

we have outside of jesus yeah we have nothing in common he's kind of millennial type you know but he doesn't wear the well i know i'm shocked he's closer to us but uh well he's just uh he's but this movie he's a talented worship guy this movie characterizes his personality perfectly but i don't want to tell you too much about the movie because if i think if you don't know the story story, then it's going to be that much better for you. My two daughters, which one by birth, one from Nicaragua, they watched this. They had no idea. I mean, I said, here's the way I put it.

I was like, these people are friends of mine. They made a movie about them. I want to watch the movie. And so, of course, they were kind of griping at first. And let me tell you, they loved, in all caps, loved that movie. So in my 14-year-old. granddaughter saw it and loved it. So, I mean, it appeals to a wide range. Well, a lot of Christian movies in the past were kind of cheesy, let's be honest. And they just weren't well done.

But here, here recently, I mean, they figured out. This was done by the Irwin brothers. And it's very well done. You can go to, what is that site where you go check the movies out there. I think it's called IMDB, which, by the way, you know, I had recommended, when I recommended the Messiah, we got a few emails saying, I mean, Jason's four rated R movies. You wouldn't think I'd have to clarify this. I mean, 95% of rated R movies, I'm never going to watch.

But you can go to sites like that, and they'll tell you why it's rated R. So I read it. But things that are true stories or things that are not that bad, which my point was I made on the podcast, is that if you made a movie about the Old Testament, oh, it would be rated R.

but some legalists would say well I can't go watch that because it has an R well it's just like anything else I recommend highly an R rated movie that everybody should watch this week as soon as you see this podcast and it's called The Passion of the Christ we're right in the we're right in the Easter season I mean what better thing to watch than I had in that look is did Gibson portray it brutally yes and you know what so did the New Testament writers it was brutal it was probably worse than what he's, oh, it probably was. He could only do so much.

Well, I'm not easily offended, but I'm like to take that comment and then to make a jump about, oh, it's rated R, therefore I can never watch a rated R movie is coming from a person who's rule-oriented, you know? No, you use, you know, I'm, I don't want to watch Fyth. I won't watch Phil. You know, I've gone to the movies before and left after 90 seconds. Yeah, because you're like, back all here. But now you can look them all up.

So now you know what you're getting into. I do not watch a movie until I look at the parental guidance. You know, if it's like, it'll say basically somebody, and that's from viewers, it'll say, well, 90, I would say over 90% of the movies that I look at that, I don't watch. And like you said, we're a big, you know, unashamed thank you, because I know there's a lot of people that watch our podcast that are in the business. They're producing good faith films now. Thank you for doing it and getting it on a high level of acting and high quality and getting some money. So what y'all are trying to say is a man of my particular persuasion, I don't go watch movies. I don't have a cell phone to watch whatever's on that.

And I don't turn or click on to the Internet. So I'm missing movies, Internet, and cell phones. Yeah, you miss a lot of stuff. It's just a block. I don't think you have the cave of the middle. The ability to watch the movie I recommend it. I don't think y'all have like Amazon Prime. Have you ever heard of that?

No. Okay. Forget I brought that up. But for everybody else, they know. I'm thinking, you know, down in Brazil on the Amazon basin. No, there's a company called. He can watch it because Dan, they watch dad stuff sometimes on TV. I think it's a smart TV.

When you get Dan, look, y'all can have day. When you watch your show, you're watching something on the internet. If you ever watch it. That's why Dan says somebody got stirred up about something. something, you know. Until you'll watch it. He'll walk over. He'll have to look like a little pad of a thing.

And, you know, but it's always, wait just a minute. I can't get the, you know, and it's punching buttons. Well, do me a favor. It's always a 1960s robot sound. This is what riles a certain group of people up. I think I always tell them, I said, if I, you know, stick my foot in my mouth too much, I mean, I'd like to know that, so I won't repeat that. So, do me a favor tonight.

You sound up. Some things you say, you say, well, should have Hang on. We're late for a break. I want to hear your response to. Let's take a quick break. Get Dan to come down, put that movie,

I still believe in you and Ms. Kay can have date night tonight. And I get some pop- And mom would love it. She'll love it. The last time I saw this quarantine living, the way it looked in the living room, I looked up at the clock and it said four o'clock in the evening.

And I looked to my left, and there's my woman of 55, 60 years. she's sprawled back in a chair she's not moving she's asleep the dogs they're all sitting there you feet stuck up in the air i mean everybody would just would just just just on the couches on the chairs just i said i know what's wrong with this whole bunch even the dogs are bored you're like you were like you had a when your dogs get bored that's that's what happens when you're under a lockdown for about so you were like lone waddy to now you're like a man can get used to this quarantine living.

Oh, I'm telling you. Oh, look, I caused the biggest ruckus at our house yesterday because, you know, my dog, big and when I let him out of the pen, this thing is he's just bulldozing anything in his path. Just all the neighbors have come to him at some time or another about something he's done. Shut him down. Shut him down, you know. So now I've been trying to keep up with him because I don't want him to run out of my sight, you know, because he's fired up.

Well, my other little bitty dog, a little lap dog called Hazel, I'm not sure what that little thing is. She hears all the ruckus because I'm running through the yard with my dog. Well, I didn't realize, because I didn't really think anybody was noticing this, but what Missy told me yesterday

is now since they're bored and have nothing to do, every time I let my dog out, they gather out at the window to watch me and the dog run around through the yard. Well, yesterday of all time, That's when you've gotten down to boredom at its worst. I mean, what are we doing here? We're watching you at the dog.

I lined them up on the street because he'd come up there and he was ticking me off about something. So I made him sit down and he was just trying to go. I was like, well, my other little dog came and she's plopped down. And so then it felt like we were in a race, like at the starting line. So I was like, okay, I got up there. I was like, on your mark. And the neighborhood is studying the situation. They're watching.

What's you going to do next? So look, I'm like, on your mark. Get set. Go. And I took off, of course, Begging, he was to the finish line in 2.5 seconds. I take off and I'm like, if I just beat Hazel, that'll be something.

What's the old rock and rollers? There's something happening here. What it is and is clear. No, no, you're sitting in. I don't know what if. So let me tell you the end of the story. So I go to the mailbox. I finish second.

Well, Hazel, she's running so fast, and she's a little overweight. She only weighs like seven pounds, but five of it is in the midsection. Look. She's like a pop belly pig. She's just dragging the middle. She had a weight shift, and she starts, she's running so fast that she starts losing her direction. She just runs off the road and falls over. I thought she had died.

It was the funniest thing ever. So when I walk in, look, my whole family. me, they're in tears. And I'm like, what, what happened? They said, oh, we've been watching you race the dogs. That, ladies and gentlemen, is when you can say, you know, something's happening. What it is ain't exactly clear. So I thought I'd let you out on those.

We call that entertainment. Get on something a little more meaty than the redneck stories. One thing we can be for sure, Dad, Jay saying I run out of stories. Have you noticed that? All right. Day of my life of quarantine living. Since we're going to get serious, let's do it in John 3. So we set up last time, or I think we set up last time.

Wow, that was a 45-minute argument to nowhere. I know. So I'm going to be a little more contained today to keep us on track. Well, I wrote down a bunch of notes because I wanted to try it again. Because what I thought Phil and I, because we're getting to, we're in John 3, and just to, I'll set it up. I mean, here comes a religious leader, Phariseical, Nicodemus, at night, which some people don't think is a big deal. I kind of do. That was a huge deal.

Yeah. Because he's doing it on the QT. He doesn't want his fellow Pharisees to know this was a clandestine. But what was interesting about Nicodemus is. And we know this from later. By the way, he pops up again in John 7 and John 19. Well, tell where he pops up because I'll save my argument until the last one. All right.

So we see about it. him. So we have what we'll be talking about the next couple of podcasts. But then in John 7, he pops up again because... I don't remember the John 7 reference. Here's what was going on there. So in John 7, the Jewish leadership decides they've had it with Jesus. So they sent their temple guards to get him. You know, they were like, just go arrest him and bring him back. They're ready to do something about this now. Of course, we're way early. Jesus isn't ready for that yet. So the guards go and watch him and listen to him. And then they think, well, you can't arrest him.

And I'm paraphrasing. So when they show back up in verse 47, they start chewing him out. And they said, do you mean he's deceived you also? Yes, so Nicodemus took up for him. Nicodemus, yeah, in verse 50, who had gone to Jesus earlier and what is their own number says, does our law condemn a man without first hearing him out to see what he's been doing? So he's a voice of rational thought because he realizes how stupid this is. They were like, you know, he gets it now.

He's got something in him. And then, of course, we know he basically becomes part of the believers because when you get to John 19, the guy Joseph of Arimathea, whenever they're preparing Jesus's body, well, guess who's right there with him, Nicodemus? Because you had to have some official to do that. Everyone needs to remember this before Jace goes into his John 3 text. When Jesus was talking about John the Baptist, he said, there's no one greater than John, yet the one who's least in the kingdom of God is greater than he. All the people, even the tax collectors, when they heard Jesus's words, what a great man John the Baptist was.

This guy is famous for baptizing people. They acknowledged that God's way was right because they had been baptized by John. Now listen to this, but this is the overarching text that everybody needs to remember when they're looking at John 3. But the Pharisees and experts in the law, and Nicodemus was of that group who had said, wait a minute, the Pharisees and experts on the law rejected God's purpose for themselves because they had not been baptized by John. They wouldn't let him baptize them. Right.

So just remember that in the context of John 3 or any other text about somebody being baptized in water. There was a group of the Pharisees and teachers of the law that said, no, sir, nope. And there's no doubt that was the context of this discussion. I'm worried of no. Let's take a quick break, Jason. But I think the context of John 3 is, you know, John 3, 16. For God's to love the world, he sent Jesus. That's the most famous verse ever.

And he's introducing this idea of starting again, which he put being born again. And then he then goes into description what it means to have the Holy Spirit being led by the Holy Spirit. I mean, to me, now if you want to make the connection of the Holy Spirit being given to us as individuals when you're baptized, I got plenty of verses about that. Even Jesus himself. Sure. When he was baptized. And remember, that's how John the Baptist distinguished the difference between his baptism

and Jesus' baptism. He said that. He said, this is one who will baptize with the spirit, meaning that his was not. So let me just having said that, let me make my point. Because I feel like last time, Phil and I agree with kind of the end result. But how we get there, we didn't. necessarily agree. And I think my point was there's so much confusion about baptism, because it's a tough subject when you read Ephesians 2, 6, and 7, and you read like you brought up Acts 2,

where he said, you know, save yourselves from this corrupt generation. So when I gave the illustration about the battlefield, because I read an email about this from somebody listening to the podcast. And so I just assumed people knew what I was saying, but when I look back on it, I didn't really say. So I want to say it now. I said, when you're on a battlefield and you're in a war, which that contrast to life already, I mean, even Ephesian says that, you know, our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but the spiritual forces of evil.

But if you're trying to gain victory, the last thing you would do is surrender. And so I made baptism symbolic of a surrender. And here's why I did that, because you said, well, if I surrender, what would happen? Well, if they shot me, you know, we always just think immediately they'd like take you into custody. But in my analogy, I meant, well, if you just give up and you're shot and you die, that would be the last thing you would think would be for victory. But I did, I left that part out.

If you get shot once you surrender and die, the point is that is the path to victory. And I link that to baptism. And here's why. And y'all can jump in as I go along with this. But if we read 1 Corinthians 15, 1 through 4 that we've read many times, that the gospel, the good news, is that Jesus died, was buried, and was resurrected. He reminds, the Corinthians have forgot that, how embarrassing. Well, then we'll read a text like Romans 6, 1 through 4, or even 1 through 6, that says in the argument about should I sin so that great. may increase, he says, no, we died. So which gets to my illustration. We were therefore buried,

just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life. Well, then it says, for we know that our old self was crucified, died, surrendered. Well, if you look at Jesus's death, barrel resurrection, because I did, in preparation for this, what did he do on the cross he basically surrendered in fact i read all four gospel accounts he says father you know into your hands i commit my spirit and and they all use the same type of terminology and with this he gave up his life he you know because i looked at the words they all used that same type of phraseology in all the gospels so you see where i'm going with this. When you tie in the verses like in John 12 where Jesus said, unless a seed dies, it cannot

produce fruit, remember that? Yeah. All the verses where he says, anyone who comes to me, you know, must bring his own cross. He keeps using this, this death. And we focus on death and resurrection. What we don't focus on, which I'm going back to First Christmas 15, is the burial. I mean, just think about when's the last time you heard a verse or a sermon about the burial of Jesus? We don't stress that. But I think that's why people don't understand baptism because I think it is a burial. You're on the battlefield. You die.

We're buried. What does burial have to do with anything? Well, watch what I did. This is for illustrative purposes. And then I want to get y'all's comment. I googled the purpose of a funeral. Because I'm linking baptism as a surrender, which is not of yourself. It's the exact opposite.

You've heard what Jesus did for you. You've been introduced to Jesus. That's what saves you, period, exclamation point. You take that out. There would be no reason to be baptized. So is that more important? Yes. Even, what is that?

Mark says that. whoever believes in his baptized will be saved, you know, go preach good news to all creation, whoever believes in his baptized will be saved. And then it said, whoever does not believe will be condemned. Well, if you don't have the knowledge or the belief in trust in Jesus, you can forget baptism. So I think that's a good way to illustrate the importance of this. And if you force me to make a decision, I'm going to go to the point in time you heard about Jesus rather than I am about being baptized.

Because without Jesus, you don't know why you would be. baptize. It's irrelevant. The gospel has to be on the front end, is what you're saying. There's no doubt. I think it's necessity. You can't chop it in two. If you don't go through the burial after the death, and if you don't include the resurrection, you're never going to understand baptism, ever. Well, listen to this. Now, this is an illustration, but to get my point, I think you'll be fascinated. The definition of the purpose of a funeral, look, this is not a Christian site here. I just went with the first one. This has nothing to do with about Jesus, but just, I think you'll be fascinated what they came up with. The purpose of the funeral is to help us acknowledge that

someone we love or dislike has died. Well, just take that to baptism. You know, Our problems, our old self, going back to Roman 6, now some of us develop a dislike for our old self. But a lot of the reasons we got into trouble and did so many sins is because we love our old self, you know. And so there has to be an acknowledgment. This was God's idea, not mine, that that person has died and we're going to bury him. Yep. All right. Well, look, at number two, they says, to offer continuity and hope for the least.

living. Well, same thing happens because once you come up, it brings you hope that, you know what, just like he told Nicodemus, you can be born again. Number three, provide a support system for us. Well, I don't know of anything on the earth that doesn't offer a bigger support system than when a person's baptized. Even it gives you a place to give you a reference about, and I've said this many times I know you have but when people bring up our past I've said before oh yeah that was pre-jesus they buried that guy he's dead he's got they're like do what what they do they do they go nicodemus then like what do what do you mean when my old buddies track me down after a year after I had depended and I had my faith in Jesus and I was baptized they finally found out what

happened to me I disappeared unlisted phone number down here in these woods Well, when they pull up in my yard and they said, come on and go with us, let's go up the road and have a beer, Robeson. I said, no. And what I told them is that the one you're

looking for, he died, you know, and they said, what? I said, the Phil Robertson you're looking for has died. He doesn't live anymore. They looked at each other and said, that sounds like some kind of

a religious kick your own. I said, I think it's more a little more than a click, than a kick. So I said, this is the new one. I'm not going to run with y'all anymore, ever. I said, so you might as well go up the road. I said, it's ironic is you've given my life to Jesus, and the one you're looking for is not here anymore. He used the same phrase the angels told the disciples when they come running up there. They said, the one you're looking for is not here anymore. I didn't explain baptism to them. I just said, this is a new person here, and the one you're looking for does not exist. And they looked at each other like he's gone nuts. I was speaking about my new birth. Hang on. We're late for a break. And then go, Joe. And so the last thing that it said

about the purpose of a funeral was to allow us to reflect on the meaning of life and death. I mean, they took four principles about what happens at a funeral. And when you apply them to being buried in Jesus, it's amazing how that's exactly what it is. And my point is, if I go back and read Romans 6, because you think about, just think about this from why Jesus was buried, because Jesus is what saved you. That's what you're reenacting. It is not of yourselves because you're surrendering. you're doing the opposite of doing anything to earn your salvation, you're dying. It's basically an act of faith is what you're saying.

Right. But think about why was Jesus buried? I mean, have you ever thought about it? What was the purpose of that? To prove he was dead. There you go. Just that word to prove to remove doubt. Because you have a theory going around even to this day.

They caught the swoon theory that he didn't really die. He just passed out. He just passed out. And then nobody knew. where he was. So let me just stop you. We didn't go over this, but I love, your initial response is exactly my point, because faith is being sure of what we hope for, which is what you just said, of being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we don't see. Hebrews 11. The reason Jesus was buried, because that removed out. This was, you know, a lot of

people have come up with these things. I've met people, and they said, you know, I died three times. And I'm like, no. Now, you're a lot. You're a lot. You're a lot. You're a lot. You're heart might have stopped beating and you're calling that death. But if you're going to link that to what happened with Jesus, I want you in the ground three days. And then if you come back then, we got a story. I'm going to listen to whatever you got to say. Because that, and people are like, oh, okay. Well, I mean, I get, I'm not taking away from your heart stopping and you coming back. Awesome. You got another chance. But quit going around telling everybody you died. Because that was the wrong. It is appointed for a man to die once.

That's right. And you might have died, but we didn't bury you, which is why Jesus was buried. But I want to just try to, and I'm going to take advantage of this text just a little bit to prove my point. Because if you go back to Roman 6, because that's what we're talking about. We're talking about why baptism is so confusing to explain. And we're in John 3, and it is confusing. There's no doubt about that. Well, Roman 6, which is reenacting what saves you, the death, on resurrection, and in the context of him saying, well, don't go out there and live a life of sin so that God's grace is just going to keep, that's the wrong attitude.

And he uses baptism because he's like, that person died. The proof you died is the buried. But now, if you tied in with the reason Jesus was buried so that you had removed doubt, I want you to center in on one word as I read this, K-N-O-W, no. You said, what's I got to do anything? Because you're going to be sure through that funeral that you participated in at baptism, it's going to make you sure that that person is gone. Watch.

He says, in verse 2, we died to sin. How can we live in any longer? Now look at verse 3. Or don't you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? we were therefore buried with him through baptism in order that just as Christ was raised from the as just as Christ was raised from the death through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.

If we have been united with him like this in his death, we will, look, here's a certainly, faith is being sure what we hope for and certain. We will certainly be united with him in his resurrection. Now, we did all that to get to this third word here in verse six again. For we know that our old self was crucified. We know this. So that the body of sin might be done away with that we should no longer be slaves to sin because anyone who has died has been freed from sin. And look, he even says it again in verse 9. Now in verse 8 it says,

if we die with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. For we know that that since Christ was raised from the dead, he cannot die again. Death no longer is his mastery over him. So that's what I, my whole point is it's not you doing something. You're doing the opposite, just like Jesus did. You're, you know, I know it's faith and action, but it's actually from God's idea done in a way of surrender, which takes you out of the process.

You're actually dying because Jesus died to your old self. I was just saying, I think if you look at it that way, you won't become legalistic and start trying to baptize people without Jesus, which a lot of people have done. They just read the verses and say, well, you need to be baptized. And if you don't do it, I mean, here's the verses. Well, where's Jesus at? You see that a lot with young people. It's like, well, it's about time you get baptized. And they're like, I don't even, okay, if you say so, you know, you see little kids and stuff.

Well, think about it. How many people have you baptized? that were baptized before when they were a little kid and had no idea what they were doing. So then they got out there and saw it and thought, I don't know. Some of these places, they'll go in, like, to a camp or something, and they'll watch a real scary, apocalyptic movie. I've seen them.

Oh, yeah. Well, you know, you got a bunch of 10- and 11-year-olds, and they're watching, you know, dragons and wars, and they're like, let me tell you something. If you don't get baptized, you're out. This is what, well, guess what? They'll run to the water. I turned 12 years old, and my buddy,

who was about 12, came up to me one day, and said, let's go get baptized. I said, let's go for it. I go in there. He does too. We're baptized at 12. And when people asked me about that later, they said, what went on there? I said, nothing. I said, because I'm 12.

I said, I didn't know what dying to sin. I never even heard the gospel. I didn't know anything of what you did. just read about Jesus dying, being buried and raised. I never heard it. So I was being baptized, like you say, without Jesus. I didn't know. I didn't know who he was. Well, let's take one last break and then we'll talk about that. So the thing is, and I've had people ask me before, we had some questions from the podcast listeners. Well, yeah, but you said Ephesians 4 or 1 baptism and yet you got baptized twice. Some people more than twice. So they're like, that's confusing to

them again. Again, it's confusing. But remember from God's perspective, there's only one time where you did it for the right reason. Millions will say, there is only one. Just say, except Jesus in your heart, he died for you, but they won't mention, like Jay said, his burial and his resurrection. Right. Unless there is a sequence of events from God in flesh, you will never understand baptism. You will never understand it.

No, it's just somebody getting down to water. It seems silly. But here's what you got to remember, the outpouring of the Holy Spirit. When you read what happened in Acts 2, which is what Jesus referred to here in John 3, you know, he said you've got to be born again, which here's a religious leader. That'd be like a famous pastor coming up, and he's like, hey, I can tell you're walking with the Lord. And he says, well, let me tell you, yep, you're right. And you need to be born again.

well you just wouldn't tell a preacher for years or religious leader that you need to start completely over whatever you because he's what he heard that's what he heard and he's like well oh well how am i going to crawl up in the womb there i've only been born i've already been born because he was looking at it from argumentative standpoint like oh great idea let me get back in my mother's room but then jesus introduces for the first time yeah in that guy's world The Holy Spirit, being born in the Spirit, having the Holy Spirit being like the wind, you see it's results. Why you're there?

Why you're there? If you look carefully after John wrote the beginning of John in chapter one, in the beginning was the word, words with God, he was God, all, he made everything. And here he comes to earth. He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him, the Pharisees and teachers of the law. Nope. Yet to all who received him, to those.

who believed in his name. What's this? He gave the right to become children of God. Now, what's this? Children born, not of natural descent. Not you coming out of your mother's womb. Nor of human decision, you coming out of your, let's have some kids, or a husband's will. It's not a physical birth, but born of God.

That right there prepares you for what he said in John 3. In John's context, you got to remember he had just written two chapters before in John 1, 12, talking about Jesus, who he is. He also said, yet to all who received him, which is why we said is more important than what happens after. Have to know who he is and what he's done. He gave the right to become children of God. children born, not of natural descent. That's what he was trying to explain to Nicodemus.

That's correct. But nor of a human decision or a husband's will but born of God. So that's what he was trying to introduce. And that's why there's so many arguments about that, because how many times have you heard arguments where people, they'll bring up the thief on the cross. They're like, well, he wasn't baptized. But Jesus was introducing a new concept.

Correct. The Holy Spirit of God, God himself, is going to be poured out and you can get it. Well, you say, well, when did that happen? Well, when you read Acts 2, it's pretty obvious when it happened. He was introducing it here. And even an obscure... Well, you knew it hadn't happened in John 14 through 16

because he was explaining it to the disciples. It was coming. Up to that point. Well, let me read you... The spirit had not been given because... Well, let me read you that verse. There's an interesting verse that says in verse 38. of John 7, which is where we were with Nicodemus,

whoever believes in me, as the scriptures has said, streams of living water will flow from within him, what he was trying to tell Nicodemus. You said, what is that? Verse 39, by this he meant the spirit whom those who believed in him were later to receive. Up to that time, the spirit had not been given since Jesus had not yet been glorified.

So was the thief on the cross saved? Of course, because God knows the heart, along with every other person in the Old Testament. But here, once the spirit was revealed, God gave you a way, an opportunity to be buried with them and receive God's spirit. So next time, we'll go there because really once you understand the spirit of God more clearly, it makes a lot more sense what we're talking about here and the distinction between the two. So we'll do that next time on Unashamed. So we're so glad you guys were with us today. You can subscribe on iTunes or Spotify or YouTube or Facebook. And be sure and rate us on iTunes so that other people can know about the podcast.