Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 721 | Jase Hurt Miss Kay’s Feelings – at Church! & Phil Gives $30 Advice to Unmarried Couples

Episode Date: July 21, 2023

Miss Kay and Jase have a spat on the front row of church during the service! Jase realizes he made a mistake he’ll never make again. Phil gives some advice to married couples that won’t break the bank, and Jase and Al can’t help but poke a little fun at their aging parents and the unfiltered way they communicate. The guys discuss the women who funded Jesus’ mission and how to have a truly personal relationship with Jesus, rather than a transactional one.  In this episode: Luke 8, verses 1-18 — Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? Welcome back to Unashame. So I have kind of a ritual days when I come out on recording days when I'm here in town and studio. Which is rare. Yeah, well, you know, you get what you get. At least I'm better than Zach. At least I show up. So I go by Chick-fil-A, which is we like their chicken biscuits. and so I get some of those.

So I always go by and see mom first, you know, just to catch up and find out how the weekend's going. So she had just gotten up. I know where this is going already. Is it involved yesterday at church? It did. And, of course, she's telling me this as her hair is quite uncapped at the moment because she's just out of bed. And she says, you know, she's telling me about yesterday. And she said, well, your brother, Jason.

She's like, dad, she's got to identify your brother, Jason. You know, she's frustrated when she's. starts off your brother instead of my son. That's right. Your brother, Jay, came in, and he sat right in front of us yesterday. And she said, I looked over at Lynn and I said, somebody needs a brush. Al, that is. And mom is telling me this as her hair literally is going in eight different directions.

That is the tip of the iceberg on what happened. I made a mistake yesterday. And the only reason I'm going to share this is because I realize that my mom is, incapable of finding any kind of device where she could ever listen to this. So this is the safest place. That is true. Because I wouldn't do this if she was going to listen. But I made a mistake yesterday because I showed up and I had a really good reason that I won't go into, but I was doing kingdom work helping people. It was a good story. Oh, and she did say that. She said, and he was late, of course. Yeah. So that's my point. So I come in 20 minutes late.

I'm not late. I've been there doing kingdom work in a private affair. I'm trying to help people, you know. Which happens a lot to us because there are a lot of other people there for different reasons. Yeah. And it was, it was of a sensitive nature that I was not going to get into, especially on the front row with a thousand people behind us. Because my mom is, she doesn't have a volume button. And I realize the order you get, you can't whisper. That's, she's talking where that lower section is hearing everything she's saying. She was doing that at the movie premiere. Did you hear? She would say, I never would have read that.

I never would have said that. No, so what happened was where my mistake was when I came down to the front row and Lynn, who, what are we calling, Lynn? Lundy. Her helper. We got little Blondie. She was seated behind you right now. Tells Ms. Kay.

Blondie, the older. The older blonde. I knew you had a nickname somewhere. You only call them out when you don't know what your name is. So my mom is sitting right in the middle of the row. And just think the seats at this church are like movie seats. Yeah, theaters. So if you want to go to the middle, you're going to have to walk by a number of people

and they're moving their legs and it's awkward. It's better than it used to be with the pews, but still. The front row, no one was sitting. So Blondie says, who, you want to sit by your mom. But they're in the middle. So I'm like, no, I'm good. Well, that's where I messed up because that hurt Ms. Kay's feelings.

She took that as a rejection. It wasn't personal, mom. So she was like. She was thinking back when you came forth from her loin. Yeah. So Lynn. I'm sure that's exactly where her mind went. She whispered that to me.

So Ms. Kay, in her wish, whisper voice, which is, well, that's okay. I didn't want to sit by you anyway. So then look, I sat there, and she provided commentary for the remainder hour of the service during the series over, not just my hair, but where Missy was. And look, she leaned up one time, and like she's going to whisper, and she's like, where's missy it was so loud that i literally when i was looking back everyone within hearing shot which was a third of the building all look because they're wondering where she is too

she's got surround sound and poor bromley's up there trying to preach he looked over and i thought we now have the preacher wondering in the middle of his sermon where my wife is She was just below a Kurt Lively Jesus with just her commentary. Look, the high moment of the service was when Lively said Jesus, because then it was a distraction now. So I thought maybe if I just sit here and make myself really small, she will stop talking to the back of my head. You have to remember, you know, now we're both in our 70s.

so I'm the head so you'll know of the not the hospital detail but the home home health home health I am the one who kind of says yeah let's go see you're in charge of home health home health I'm the one home health of your mother oh boy well maybe you can teach her how to whisper oh it was embarrassing so I kept thinking the whole time I thought I thought, why didn't I just, I think if I just got beside her, this wasn't a happen, but it started off wrong. She got her feelings hurt because I wouldn't sit beside her. She ripped me on my hair because she kept talking about that. She was like, when's the last time you brushed your hair?

And I said, years. But we're having this conversation. We're supposed to be quiet. And it never stopped the entire hour. Well, she did have, she did. Now I'm thinking back to what she said this morning. and she said, well, you know, Missy's gone. You know, she's up in Nashville taking care of her grandbabies.

And so he's just over there on his own. And, you know, he just doesn't know how to take care of himself. Like, she was like giving you all this. She said all this to me. Look, when she said, when I finally said Nashville, she's in Nashville. And she's like, well, is everything okay? We're not, this is not the fellowship part of the service. We are literally, you know,

In a prayer when she's like, I mean, is everything okay? I'm like, okay, we're praying. But I forgot what I was going to say. But, oh, that's when she said, well, what have you been eating? It's just not the right time because she's like, I mean, how long has she been gone? Well, what have you been eating? Have you been cooking or you've been going to that old fast food jump and just eating whatever? And it was like, there was nowhere to hide.

And I thought, what you don't ever want to do is, is, have your mom sitting behind you in a church setting and she hadn't seen you for about a week. And your wife said it. Never get in that position. No, you don't do that. Just walk away. Sit on the back up. That's not in the back.

Don't ever go down there and put yourself. She was sitting right behind me. And so the more she would try to listen, when her head went to the back of my head, she had to ask me something. She's kind of funny like that now because she went back, a friend of ours. Carbo, who's, so he normally sits kind of about halfway back, but she had it in her mind that she just wanted to drag him down there to sit with y'all. And so she came over to me and she said, I'm looking for Howard. Have you seen him? And I said, yeah, he usually sits back there about

in the middle, you know, by Lord. I see him when I get up to preach. I was preaching that morning. So she's looking. Oh, I see him. All right, I'm off. So she takes out. Well, I thought she was just going to go talk to it. I look up. Here she's parading the hawk down front. And he's to sit in between you and her. And so I chuckled him. I thought, poor hawk. You know, he's got his spot back there. He's all comfy and then she comes and gets it.

So when I'm on my way up to preach, the little, you know, there's always like the handlers and the stage people. And, you know, he comes up to me, says, we got to stretch out for about a minute because we have to sink up with our other assignment. So I said, all right, stretch it out for a minute. I got it. And so I get up there when I'm thinking, I want to do something just for this room. So I look over and there's Carbo sitting in between you and mom trapped. And I was like, look at there. Oh, Carbo has made it down to the second row.

I said, boy, if we could just get him one more to the front row, then he'd repeat. And everybody knows and starts laughing. But I told him later, I was like, the only reason you got called out is because I had a minute to kill. And so I just looked over and saw you and mom dragged you down front. So he became the butt of the joke, which was kind of. But it was the same type of this is doing it. Well, I'll give you a happy ending because then I realized I had made a mistake about halfway through there.

I should have just sat beside her. And so then I just, every time she said something, you know, I would just bring it back to how much I loved her and I missed her. You know, she would say some comment, you know, about the hair while and I was like, I've really missed you. I hadn't seen this at all, you know, because I just thought there's nothing I can do here. I've made a terrible decision. And I'll just make the most of it.

So I was really respectful and just tried to make the best of it. But I will never sit right in front of her again, ever. That's what, some of them were talking about going with her to the movie. And that's the way she does it at the movie now. It's just, it's full commentary for however long the movie is. Yeah. Which, that's not good. That's, you're supposed to be quiet.

Yeah. But I think you reach an age where you can just get away with a lot. That's true. It's like the person. And then always you come up, it's always an older person now that I hadn't seen in a while and say, man, you've gotten fat. And I'm like, man, I love you too. It's been so long since I've seen you. It's just what a great way to greet a person, you know, just commenting on their weight is the first thing we get to.

But then every time, every person has ever done that is at least 70 years old. Yeah. It's just you can say whatever you want. I'm kind of looking forward to getting there. Yeah. You're there, Dad. Yeah. Trying to survive.

I love it. All right, well, I guess we'll get back to Luke since we've talked about. My mom will never hear this. So those of you worrying about are getting a feeling's hurt again. She'll, Jason's race. Oh, yeah, I'm taking care of her. She'll never. Dad's in charge of home house.

So all is good here. We're in good shit. And we did leave off in a place where this actually applies because, you know, I think these first few verses of chapter 8, and we really talked about it a lot on the overtime. But the chosen. Yeah, we were highlighting the women, yeah. Yeah, there was an episode we were talking about in The Chosen where you see where they got this episode when they're kind of following along the 12 apostles. And there's this cadre of women that are there.

And I can't remember the exact episode. But they're talking about supporting them financially. And one of them is kind of well-to-do. And then you got Mary Magdalene and here. Which didn't they feature Mary Magdalene in season one in her interaction and Nicar. and Nicodemus comes to investigate her, getting the demons cast out and all this stuff. So she was a part, you know.

And knowing her by name, there's a scene about, it's kind of the moment where it's real powerful and kind of brought a tear to my, about her name and Mary. Because when you fast forward, and I think we made this point in the overtime, so I'll make it again.

I mean, here she is. She had been cured. of she had seven demons come out of her you know and the verse we're referring to if you miss the last last one was Jesus is going around proclaiming the good news of the kingdom and we talked about how upside down of a message that was and we referred to Luke chapter six where he said in verse 20 you know blessed are you who are poor for yours is the kingdom of God and then he goes on that you blessed to those who are hungry and blessed are you when people hate you and blessed are you when you're weeping or when people exclude you or reject your name because of the son of man.

Well, when you're reading this, you're like, well, I thought this was good news. But it's an upside down kingdom wherein God's power is going to be revealed in weakness and suffering and struggle. So the things that he's discussing is hard for you to get your head around, which is what's going to lead to the parable of soar. But here you have this picture of the 12, and these women who have been cured of evil spirits and diseases, and Mary Magdalene was one of them from who the seven demons had come out. But then you had this high-ranking wife of Herod's households,

Joanna, the wife of Cusa, the manager of Herod's household, Susanna and many others. These women were helping to support them out of their own means. I wonder if his mother was one of them. Oh, yeah, she was. She comes into play later on in this chapter. But she's always around in all these, especially in the chosen. Yeah.

Because they're getting this from. Plus, they were there. They didn't just hit the road when Jesus, they finally strung him up. Well, they were the only people, the only eyewitnesses. They were on the, they were there. The only eyewitness. They were there when he was raised. That's right.

Yeah, they were the only eyewitnesses, which is so bizarre. Because if you were making this up, women didn't have any credibility in that culture and couldn't even testify. And they were the key eyewitnesses. So if you were just making this up, you would have never chosen the women to be the ones at the death. Because legally, their testimony would have been invalid. Let's take a break. Exactly.

So why would you, if you were trying to hoodwink people, you would never do the exact opposite of what you think a human mind would receive, which is the point that we're making. When you approach Jesus in his type of kingdom and you're introduced to it, how you listen and how you hear matters. And so I can't come up with an illustration better than Jesus's because here you have the creator of the universe who has become a man who is a carpenter on his man's side. But since he was, you know, to go back to John 1, to quote that, nothing that has been made.

was made without him. So he gives an illustration, which I believe I see the purpose of it now. And I made an illustration on the last podcast of, you know, if you had dynamite to blow up a field, you would think that would be, or a nuclear warhead. You would think that would be the most powerful thing

that could happen to that field if you dropped a nuclear bomb on the field. And it would be in the moment. but when you think about power that lasts, you plant a seed or a lot of seeds, and then it germinates, produces a crop, takes on a different form. We take this kind of power for granted

because we see it every day, and then it dies, but then it reproduces itself. So when you look at which power is more powerful, actually the one that is sustainable, that power display is, is way more powerful. Yeah.

You know, long term. Yeah, I was reading about just the great, the ancient seven wonders of the world, they called them. And, you know, the only one that's really that you can still look at, the ones that, you know, historians mention is the pyramid. You know, this pyramid series and especially the big one. All the other ones that were amazing in their day and all this marvel over all the different things. You know what happened to them?

Rubble. Rubble. I mean, trees grew up through them. I mean, like, all the hanging gardens of Babylon and all these great... They're trying to figure out who built them, how they did it. Don't even know. That's my point. To your point, over time...

I mean, let's make a list of really the ten wonders of the world. A tomato plant. The birth of a human being. An acre and going to an oak tree. That's a wonder. You're catching along. I mean, these things, you're taking for granted. That's how you listen and how you view the world,

which is why Jesus is speaking in these parables. That's what you see this, like, especially, you know, my wife's out of town, but my daughter and her little cadry, the worship, I call them the worship leaders, you know, because they're out at camp for the summer, and they're giving their summer to helping, you know, kids find Jesus who are younger than They are. They're all in their teenage years and early 20s, and I love it that that's what she's doing with her summer,

that she's off from college. And so they come over there, they get the weekends off. Well, they come over there and just sing worship songs all night. And so we're sitting around, you know, talking because just conversation. They ask me questions, and it's so funny because me will come down, And she's like, I'm making sure this still is in conversation form. And she said that to me. And I said, what you mean?

She's like, well, Dad, you've been talking for quite a while here. You know, because I was giving them a sermon. Yeah. They asked me a question. 30 minutes later, she comes down. I was like, you learn from the best, yeah. Yeah. Mia's like, is this still in conversation form?

Are you just preaching a sermon? She didn't say it like that, but I was like, why is she? Why is she? I was like, no, they asked me a question. but the reason I'm bringing that up is because young people and some of the questions they were asking, it's because at their age group, non-believers, they're like, well, just show us a miracle. That's how you got to do. Just, I mean, we see a miracle will believe.

It's because they have trouble with this message. They're like, so let me get this right. And we mentioned this in the last podcast, but here's the king of the world saying he's the creator of the universe. saying, oh yeah, here's the plan. I'm going to come down and be tortured and crucified. That's how you're going to be victorious. Well, they're like, wait a minute here. It just flies in the face from every successful kingdom the world has ever known. So it is hard for you to wrap your head around. But I do think you've hit into, swerved into one of the reasons why Jesus uses parables, because we brought this up in the last podcast. If you notice something about Jesus, whenever he would be

teaching in our studies of the gospel, the larger the crowd, the broader the message and less specific. The smaller the crowd, when he's down to just the 12 or even the three, you know, Peter James and John, the more detail-oriented Jesus gives. And I think he's given us a principle, because I've thought about this many years, you know, I preached, I preached a lot of large groups, you all have to. And you realize the bigger your crowd, the more you have to just kind of singularly lay out some simple message for people to grab because you're not sure why they're all there. But if somebody's sitting in your living room like what you just described days, they can ask you

you anything. And you'll pontificate and go into a lot of depth that you wouldn't dare take all that information and try to do it to a large audience because you wouldn't know if that's why they were there to listen because you didn't get that question to ask. So I think that principle kind of hits into some of the nature of parents. No, you're right. Because like I remember they asked some question. and it was something about, you know, something that's very hard to explain, which is, you know, how do you have faith? I mean, it's, because it's all tied into that.

Like, how do we know this is really true? And I remember being their age thinking the same questions, you know, just give me some proof. Because they're coming from a college, taking a college course mindset. Just give me the course. Give me the test. Let me write all the right answers, and let us live happily ever after. Let me make an A.

Yeah, I just, and you're like, you know, that's not what Jesus, that's not how this works. So I gave him a brain teaser, and it's something we did a few podcasts ago, but I asked them, I said, well, why did, I said, well, I got a question for you. Why did God have the stone rolled away at the tomb? what was the purpose of that?

And of course, they fell for it, hook, line, and sinker. They said, well, to let him out. I said, well, I don't want to embarrass you, but. But let me embarrass him. Later, later, yeah, exactly. Later on, after he came out, he went through walls. He wasn't going through doors. He was going through walls.

Well, why didn't he just go through the rock? Well, it was just cricket. He's like, well, why? He didn't need the rock rolled away. I was, because I think with young people, if you can out with them, parable style, because they, you know, when you're 19 or 20, you think you're the smartest person on the planet. Right. Until somebody asks you a question like that. And they're like, so they were on the edge of their seat.

So I thought, because all I'm trying to is plant a seed. And the answer I gave them. sewing. Yeah, I said, look, they didn't roll the stone away, as in they, the spiritual forces of good, God, or Jesus, they didn't roll it away to let him out. They rolled it away to let Mary Magdalene and her friends in. And it was, it was crickets in a good way. You fast forward 2,000 years, and the picture I was trying to get them to see is it is hard to have faith. But when you look the details of this story. It's very moving to realize that God is showing you that he knows you're going to have

trouble wrapping your brain around this. That's why he concocted this book with 41 different authors over hundreds of years in different, every way conceivable. And you read it and you start looking at the details and you're like, oh, wow, that is why he did that for you to. say look here's here it is tell the story pass it down and it actually worked let's take another break that's why you can look back to as even 2,000 years down the road every easter drama we ever did back in the day we used a lot of Easter dramas when we'd come to that penultuous you know

scene of the resurrection and that stone would push aside and usually we'd have a bright light or something in there that's why you still get chill bumps oh exactly for the idea of an empty tomb because you are getting to look in to see what he did for you. So then you see this story where here's a woman who early on in this process who had had seven demons came from a, you know, the wrong side of the tracks. And she's the she's has a conversation with a human being that has been resurrected from the dead. Yeah. I mean, it just shows you one, the grace of God. If this is who he, chose to have this conversation with. I mean, we're all welcome.

It doesn't matter where you come from or what has happened in your life. And, you know, it's this interesting conversation where she thinks he's the gardener. You're like, well, why? There's no rational person, even though she was with him the whole time, whatever think. Oh, he's, that's him? And we know from John's account, she grabs a hold of him and she won't let him go. It's like, I got you now. You're going anywhere.

And he said, a woman, let go. I mean, I hadn't even been back to the father. It means how he's telling me. Well, it's weird because all these scholars have all these debates on what that exactly means because they're like, was he radiated? Was there some kind of energy? And it's almost comical. Because the simple explanation is the one.

Simple explanation. She didn't go there because she thought he was going to be alive. She went there because he was dead. That's right. And so the shock and all was so traumatic and so emotional. I'm sure the excitement level was out the roof. Yeah. And I do think there was a hidden message for us in there that, look,

by him leaving, by her letting him go, which eventually he would be seated where he is right now at the right hand of God, well, that just validated our victory forever. That then gave us access and representation in heaven. You could reach him. Yeah, it's made this possible. It's a great point because it highlights and emphasizes the reason he ascended. Because I've said forever, I mean, from a personal, selfish point of view, especially me working for the church on my life, I wish he didn't ever left.

He could have just beamed out sermons every Sunday. I mean, guys like me could just listen to him. But he has work to still do, and that's part of the whole thing. The reason is even if Jesus himself appeared. and started preaching, it would draw crowds like this, but the trouble would start. Sure. Trouble would start and people still wouldn't believe.

That's when I said, so we had that conversation, but then I said, oh, and by the way, when he was levitating above the earth, well, he didn't have to do that. He didn't have to fly to heaven. We make jokes about it and we talk about it. If you can do what you can do, he's just doing that for you.

You're not doing it for him. There's no space and time issue. He was going to do. They were like, oh, you know, he took off, you know. And, well, because he realizes it's hard for us to wrap our head around this. So we're looking at it in a way that's like, oh, this is possible. That's right. How you think and how you listen matters in this.

And so I'm going to. By the way, before you read it, I want to make one thought. Because every time you study, it's why you keep studying and you keep reading. and you keep reading and you keep diving in because every time we study another one of these perspectives on the gospel, I learn something different. Every day. Every day. And most of the time I've always approached the parable of the sewer, like most preachers do, thinking about how a great sermon this would be to talk about what kind of soil are you, right? All the sermons I ever heard were like that.

All the sermons I ever preach were like that. But when we looked at it this time in this context, for the first time I saw it from a soul, sower's point of view because here he is trying to encourage these guys telling them they need to watch how they listen i thought you know as much and then look the soil lesson is a great lesson because we need to have the right hearts we need to listen but the sewing lesson is just as important and to realize that a lot of people are not going to partake in the seed that you are sewing oh yeah well that's what we're fixed to get to yeah i mean now you're right i get infuriated when i every time i hear a lesson over uh you know like quiet times

Like take a quiet time. You know, here's a good idea. Take a quiet time and study, you know. I'm like, wait a minute, time out. Because this was one of my answer. I did the Q&A at the Faith Family Freedom Day, and somebody asked, what do you recommend, you know, to grow? And I was like, well, you read Matthew, Mark, Luke, or John every day.

And they're like, well, for how, the woman actually said for how long? I said, till you die. You can have special quiet time. because I was trying to explain you're married to Jesus. It's sound advice. Look, now, my wife, I haven't seen her in five days. I've talked to her every day. So if I just told her, I was like, look, okay, you're going to Nashville.

And so let's schedule a quiet time at some point where we can think about each other from different locations. We've called each other multiple times on a daily basis. You're like, well, why? Because she's me. I'm her. I have trouble functioning without or we're talking. So I'm saying to even have the conversation about this is embarrassing. You read one of the Gospels every day at some point or you at least think about it.

And so, I mean, I'm in a position where I'm forced to do that because we talk about this. So I'm like, but I'm with you out every time I read this. It's the wildest story I've ever read. You learn every day. Bar none. The first thing I said to you before. we started the podcast that you heard last time, I was like, boy, I was just dumbfounded from reading the parable of the sewer, a story I've read hundreds of times.

You too. But from Luke's version, maybe the Holy Spirit working, some points came that I'd never thought about before. So we'll share it. Yeah, let's take another break. So let me read this. I know this is lengthy, but Jesus did this on purpose because he actually, gave an explanation. He gives you a brain teaser, and then he explains it. So verse four.

Yeah, read it all the way through 18, Jason. Yeah. So verse four, while a large crowd was gathering and people were coming to Jesus, town after town, he told them this parable. A farmer went out to sow his seed. As he was scattering the seed, some fell along the path. It was trampled on, and the birds of the air ate it up. Some fell on rock. When it came up, the plants withered, because there were no moisture. There was no moisture. Other seed fell among thorns, which grew up with it and choked the plants, till other seed fell on good soul.

It came up, yielded a crop a hundred times more than what was sown. When he had said this, he called out, like raised his voice. He who has ears to hear, let him hear, which is what it was about, how you hear. His disciples asked him, well, what does this mean? And I think, just to stop for a second, because he made such a big deal about how they were to hear that. So they're like, well, tell us what that means. He said, the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to others, I speak in parables so that though seeing, they may not see, and though hearing they may not understand.

And he quotes Isaiah, which Al brought up. in the last podcast, but we'll explain later. This is the meaning of the parable, verse 11. The seed is the word of God, which is helpful to know what it is. Those along the path are the ones who hear, and then the devil comes and takes away the word from their hearts so that they may not believe and be saved.

There was your bird reference. There's the birds. Those on the rock are the ones who receive the word with joy when they hear it, but they have no root. They believe for a while, but in the time of testing, they fall away. You see it every day. Never day.

The seed that fell among thorn stands for those who hear, but as they go on their way, they are choked by life's, worries, riches, and pleasures, and they do not mature. See it every day. But the seed on good soil stands for those with a noble and good heart who hear the word, retain it, and by persevering produce a crop.

Now, it's not over yet. even though they might have put a category. This is just as important, and I think this is why people kind of miss the parable of the solar. So then he says, no one lights a lamp and hides it in a jar or puts it under a bed. Instead, he puts it on a stand so that those who come in can see the light.

For there is nothing hidden that will not be disclosed and nothing concealed that will not be known, or brought out into the open, which is very scary. Now, then you understand what this last verse is, which most people have no idea what this means, but in the context of how you hear and how you listen, it makes sense. Perfect sense.

Therefore, consider carefully how you listen. Whoever has will be given more. Whoever does not have, even what he thinks he has, will be taken from him. So it's not talking about possessions or earth, which is what most people view that verse says. You're understanding, your wisdom.

That's what he's talking about. How much you have, you'll be given more. If you're listening the right way with the right heart, with the mindset, you gain more understanding. That's why I said, so what is the profile for how you should grow and earn? You study Matthew, Martin, Luke, and John every day.

So when you go back to look at the heart, hearts and here's my point. The ones along the path, which is the seed that fell among the path, that's the guy who, if you put this into marriage context, who sees this

girl and he's like, I'm not interested. I'm not interested in this, in this relationship. And so the only way out for them is to realize the one they're not interested is interested in them, which would be

you know, the Lord in this relationship. Because that's why I said it's all, it's a relationship context of you understanding the message of the kingdom, which is going to bring you to the king and your marriage to him. Yes. So how we want to go. Do we want to go heart by heart? I mean, there's a danger going heart by heart because most people immediately go there

first. We've spent two podcasts talking about the, point is how you hear and receive this, how you listen to God's appeal for you. He's looking for you. It's not about you just saying, oh, I'm not interested in it. No, he's interested in you. And three out of the four didn't make the cut. To some level. Yeah. To some level. Yeah. And also, as I mentioned earlier, the insight I gained from this is it's also an encouragement to the one sewing to realize that your job is to sow. That's why I mentioned that when we were talking the last podcast about the bird you described that brings the seed just by

being a bird and sets in the water but is doing the work of God. It doesn't even realize it because birds eat seeds. Well, I think the sower and the seed are the same people in this context, but you could fast forward it in that once you have the Holy Spirit, he continues to sow through you. Right, which is why he mentions that about the producing of the fruit that comes from a healthy plant. But I'm saying originally this is coming from the Lord is the message of the kingdom and the one sewing. He created this scenario that we could be saved is what I'm saying. Well, remember, and remember the context for this was a crowd of people they gathered. And then Jesus, without giving the details that he gave the 12, he gives them this picture.

and then just says he has ears laid him here. And then there's a little bit of a segue because then he goes to just talking to the 12, which is when he makes that point. I want to mention something that Rick Warren does in his book Purpose Driven Church, which I always thought was a great way to look at it. It reminds me of this context we're looking at here.

Rick draws five circles in this book, and the circles as they get closer, you get more dedicated. He called it community, crowd, congregate, committed and core. So if you can imagine like a bull's eye getting smaller as you go. You start out with the community. People that will come and Dan,

you and I went out, this guy preaches in California, you and I went out and spoke at his church. There were how many people, we spoke in four services, thousands of people. Yep. You know about a crowd.

Tens of thousands. They were outside, watching it on screens. We were going to there. So you had this huge community, and then it was a huge crowd, and then it was a congregation, people that associate themselves with this church.

But really, when you get down to it, he even recognized as a pastor, there was just a core of committed people that were actually dedicated to Christ. And his whole job, he said, was to integrate that large group down to a smaller group. Well, yeah. Which is what Jesus did.

It's amazing that he ends the whole thing up as putting forth a family. type gathering, which is the kingdom of God. You know, my mother, your mother and brothers are standing outside waiting to see you. He ends up over here. He replied, my mother and brothers are those who hear God's word and puts it into practice. Well, you make a good point. That's probably why Luke interjects that into this context.

It doesn't. It doesn't people, he's ridiculed from people who don't believe. This is seed that was eaten by birds commenting on what they view of Jesus. They're like, oh, he was against families. Right. Yeah. It's like, no, he wasn't. You miss how you're listening and hearing it.

Some believe some don't. He's an issue. Well, Mary was part of his followers, his mother, the whole time. Right. She was one of the people of the party established. She pondered and treasured in her heart the whole time. And I'm sure she was not offended. Now, his brothers didn't believe.

You know, we know that John 7-5, but then something happened. That little statement, and they put it into practice, what they heard, you say that that's it right there. So I think to your point, Dad, let's take our last word. To your point, even an immediate household family can miss Jesus. How many people on planet Earth says, I've heard it many a time, I know y'all have too. they say it basically in different forms, but get that Bible out of my face. Right.

Well, right. But I think there's two kind of bombshell questions when you read this. One is, and I think we need to discuss it, because he seems to be encouraging people not seeing, not seeing. So we know that's not the purpose. So in that middle section, when the disciples asked him in verse 9, what the parable meant. He said, the knowledge of the secrets

of the kingdom of God has been given to you, but to others I speak in parables so that those seeing they may not see, though hearing they may not understand, which is a quote from Isaiah 6. Right.

So how would you... Now, he, I mean, you have anything to... So, Dad, I was going to mention that. It was interesting. That word secrets, the knowledge of the secrets

of the kingdom of heaven, the Greek word there is Mysterian, where we get to our word mystery for us. That was back on the Apostle Paul. But you were talking about that recent on a podcast. The mystery of the gospel. So I think that's his point, obviously, is he's talking about the mystery of the kingdom of God.

And what he's saying is the same thing Isaiah said back in his day. If you go into this with a preconceived notion and they're not willing to listen to what God is telling you, then you'll go off in whatever direction you're going to go in. And so I think exactly what happens here, which is his point. But even back in Isaiah's day, he gives you. you that glimpse that look you're going to get it you're going to see the full picture but you just got to be patient many are called but few are chosen it's just it's just the nature of it well most people have a hard time seeing it for what it is and i think that's what his point is so and

the the biggest bombshell though is you got to ask yourself well where am i adding this instead of just thinking looking at this looking at the categories i mean i think you really got to ask yourself. This is, you take a good, hard look at who you are and how you listen and what you do. And I keep bringing up the illustration of a relationship because that's really how you can compare it to your relationship with Jesus. I mean, you can say the right things. You can be going to church, but he clearly defines that, especially this heart number

three, church buildings are full of these people. I mean, let's see when he said, what does it mean? So that's in 14. The seed fell among the thorns, stands for those who hear. But as they go on their way, they are choked by life's worries, riches, pleasures, and they do not mature. I'd say that's the largest group probably out of the three. It's a lot. So the deceitfulness of wealth, the other versions of the, they just get into, it's like a divided heart.

They have Jesus, but they also have just as much a love for, you know, wealth and the worries of the life. The groups are there, Jase, and one group is sitting there and saying, yeah, yeah, there are all these people. They've got the Bibles, you get that Bible out of my faith. Well, then the ones who hear and put what they hear into practice, you're known by both of them, and some of them hate you, and a whole lot of them love you. or a few love you out of the whole group, but that's just the nature of the beast. Yeah. But you made this point,

as when we were talking before we came on air, that in the first two, it's pretty clear that they never, one never even got anything about Christ or God or the kingdom. The second one, it was so shallow they didn't get it. But by the time it gets this third one, you don't get the implication that that means they were condemned

and swept away. Yeah, I think there's still, that's why it's a danger. You shouldn't read this and to say it, okay, these first three they're out. And I want to be the good one. You know, how to, no, it's a process that you go through. Be careful. And you don't know, you know, God's timing and you're not eternal.

And, you know, the church cliche that you'll hear is, you know, God's not finished with you yet. I mean, we don't give up on people because we don't know hearts. I mean, God knows your heart. But you've got to look down deep inside and say, where am I at in this? Am I trying to hubwink the Lord? I mean, am I just like the second heart? It's like looking for God to bless me, but not be my Lord. I mean, these are the categories where you see it's a shallow.

I know I are to marry this woman instead of just sleeping with her. I know I should marry her, but I haven't. Your life, you're not wanting to give up. You don't want to trust the Lord's direction in any of these things. So it's just a blessing or something. in a type of faith that's shallow. But it's also, it makes you raise a flag about going and being a part of these things that are just based on all emotion too.

Look, you can whip people up into a frenzy over a lot of things. And look, you can bring them to Jesus. And they get down the road and be like, or get back in the real world and say, no, that ain't nothing to that. Look, I'm shacked up right now, but I'm not going to marry. And I usually say it's not but about $25 or $30. I said, I'll give you the money. But I think it's deeper.

It's deeper than that. It's a, oh, yeah. You know, when you get in this, guy cleaned you up. You know, he's the gardener. He's the one that's got to remove the rocks and the thorns. And so that's part of the pruning process where you use the illustration. You get into John. Yeah, John 50.

So I think that's part of it. But it's also just realizing your heart. part is this and I made that illustration about my wife and I you don't have to tell us that we need to talk to each other and and be faithful to each other it just when you invest in whatever you invest in it becomes something and in this case that's his whole point you put that little seed in the ground seems kind of harmless and weak and fragile and you give it some time but it God makes it grow. And you're working in your heart.

You make sure you're receiving. You're putting this stuff in. You're letting the Holy Spirit lead you on a number of fronts. You know, who you're sleeping with from, you know, how much you're studying the word and who you're running with. And so all these things start to take hold. But you look up one day and what you want from a church perspective is to see a cornfield standing as far as you can see.

together that looks just like a spectacle, you know, and there's not a weed around. Which is why when you see open, dedicated hearts, which is described in that fourth category, you typically see people of strength, integrity, people you want to find out something from them about your life. I mean, they're very obvious. When you see the results of what you're describing as a beautiful crop, if you see that from a spiritual sense, those are people you're drawn to. That's why people listen to our podcast for that reason. But I'll tell you this, even on the earth, guess what they do to cornfields? They harvest it.

And it looks terrible after it's over. And then when you apply this to the church as far as being the kingdom on earth, guess what happens? It starts all, the process starts all over again, you know, and it rises up all over the planet. That's why it's called seasons. Yeah, it rises up all over the planet in various generations. but the only thing that it has in common that you can see, it's these type of people that the world underestimate

or they think they're worthless or that. It's just hard to put a finger on spirit-filled people as the kingdom of God that are sincere. Yeah, yep. But they're among us, and they're not going away. And when the Lord comes back, all of that will be revealed. Yep. Choose wisely.

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