Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 722 | Phil Makes a Prophecy about America & How ‘Duck Dynasty’ Changed Jase

Episode Date: July 24, 2023

Phil thinks of his work on ‘Unashamed’ as prophesying, and the guys make their own prophetic statements about America’s future. Jase refuses to be specific about his best spot for froggin’ and keeps the secret even from his brothers. The guys discuss the hardships Jesus endured during his ministry, including problems within Jesus’ earthly family. Jase gives some insight into his experience with fame during ‘Duck Dynasty’. In this episode: Luke 8, verses 18-25; Galatians 5, verse 6; John 1, verse 5; Mark 3, verses 20-21 — Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? Romans chapter 12, just as each of us has our one body with many members, and these members do not all have the same function. This is interesting. So in Christ, we who are many form one body, and each member belongs to all the others. It's a cool thing. We have different gifts, according to the grace given us. And then it says, if a man's gift is prophesying, which is what we do on this podcast, let him use it in proportion to his faith.

So it's not like, you know, you need any accolades and yay. No, it's just some people. Yay. Yeah. Some people, you know, they have a task at hand, and it is, in fact, speaking. So everybody, oh, you know, I'm going to do that. You know, they did that. I'll do that.

So I'll show them what I'm going to. No. If God gives you that ability of speaking out, prophesying, use it to the best. You're not any bigger than anybody else in the kingdom. You just have a job to do. That's why they say, well, you know, you all seem just, just. It's not a big problem with you. Well, if you have that part from the spirit,

when it was given to you, some people can prophesy way better than others. So, yeah. You're joining us mid-conversation. The topic was the explosion of podcasts in our world. Yeah, we were talking about that before we came on. We were saying that we think we contributed to that because you who listened to our podcasts,

you've concluded, well, if they can, to it literally anyone can do this. Yep. Because somebody invited me, the God Squad podcast, there's some young guys that listen to us that have started their own. They invited me on. They just sent me like a cold email. Here's what the young man said, Jay's.

I know this is a long shot, but you miss 100% of the chances you don't take. That's a true statement. I think I said that before. Did you? He probably got it from you. I think it was on one of our Duckman videos. So I'm going to be reaching out to you,

to be on your podcast. But yeah, we like that. That's a, but you're right, Dad, it's just, we've been doing this for a long time.

That's right. And it really just came out of your conversion, you and mom. Well, it really, you just moved right up the road and put microphones

and recorded it. That's how it did. We've been having these types of conversations since I was a teenager. When we were younger, like when uncles and aunts would come for holidays, we would play dominoes and eat a good meal,

but then at some point somebody would bring up some Bible topic or something they'd been studying or whatever. And then it was on like donkey come. Well, the biggest difference is today than yesterday is like I just heard the wheelers pull into the layer here. Yep. We've got a crew building a duck blind in July, which is 95 degrees, and everywhere you turn,

something will bite you, sting you. Everything's after you. Oh, it's that time of year. So somehow in other, Phil, this is what I would call the definition of making it for you. Because you've got somebody else building the duck blind. They send us pictures, and you're like... It's a much better setup now to let the ones coming up under us

So they're building the blind. I went out yesterday. He is an excellent chaco. So you had Dan and you had your new grand son-in-law who married Lily. He's just covered in mud and sweat, you know. Oh, Austin. Now, look, Austin is a good hand. Oh, yeah.

We've talked about him. I looked at him, I thought, 21 years old, he never even, he wasn't missing a lick at all, Dad. And he'd just been out there all morning. Oh, yeah. That's the difference. Older men sitting here and talk about the Bible. Yeah. He's a good dude, though.

I had zero apprehensions about him marrying my niece. I mean, I was like two thumbs up. I asked him to me, I said, what about that pulling them Beaver Dams out? And he said, oh, it's work, but it's fun. Yeah. Well, that's, you know, it reminds me when we were, we were that eight. Right. Every project we got on was fun for a bit.

But, uh, until it wasn't. Well, it just reaches a point. It's better if you become a consulting person on the project, you know. I like the, yeah, pictures on the phone. Yeah, that sounds like. We're all going frog hunting tomorrow night. So we'll see. That's the reward for them.

Oh, you're taking the boys. Oh, yeah, we're taking them to the. You're going to your little honey hole, your little sweet spot. Yeah, we have a promised land frog place that I use for special occasions. because Phil, I've learned that if you've got to brag on them, because they're, I mean, what, to be working outside in the woods this time of year,

that, that's a, I don't know. Every time I think about you, Jay's every time I'm coming home from Alabama, because I pass over the Beph River and Bayla Fuscher right there together. And I don't know if there's any frogs on them, but when I just,

I've hunted them many times. When I just look up there, it looks froggy. I mean, it just looks like. I've hunted every creek. stream from here to Mississippi. I got all those, you know, in between where we live in Mississippi. It looks like good.

And then about, you know, 30 miles the other way west. But so, yeah, it surprised you. Yeah. It looked froggy. I thought about you the last time I passed over because the water's down. It looked like it was. Most of the greatest places are either private or they're just places you would never think you would never it would never occur to you and uh which i won't reveal it because i don't

want anybody to know about it but most of the places in town that you just take for granted and it's just little streams you would never think well i'm going to go frog gun because you're in the middle of town but nobody hunts there yep and it you got to be pretty grafting they flourish pretty good yeah to get in there to figure out a system right so i usually wait for rainy nights when there's very little activity going around. You've proven with a redneck man, you can be right beside joined in a brotherhood, the people who play golf and the people who catch frogs on, you know, whole 19 over there for the little pothole.

Phil, I joined a golf course one time just to get the layout. I literally paid the initiation fee. just to get the layout of the creeks and streams. Most golf courses produce good frog. Oh, yeah, you can hear them out there during the day. But, you know, people don't want you walking around, you know, and stepping in the mud. They use, you know, fertilizer and insecticide. But, I mean, look at me.

I'm not acting weird and funny about it. It's hard you know. It may get me one day. I mean, Cy says that he and dad used to run along behind the mosquito fogging truck. Yeah, playing. They thought it was a mist. They thought it was like a nice, watery mist. The driver looking back waving out of us, you know.

Nobody was dying from it, you know. But everybody started acting kind of weird because all this dementia may have in the family. Now we know. Si and myself don't have the greatest reputation of all time. I come back to the same question of my childhood. Where were the parents? Gone. It's actually on the movie.

So I wouldn't have mentioned this before we get into our regular. text there because you brought up this prophesying from Romans 12. Somebody's going to ask what makes that different than teaching or preaching? The fruit. Yeah, that's what I was going to say. The ones who are not, they try to make, you go out and you know, you share your faith and all that. I understand all that. But some people are just very good at sitting down with others and pointing them to Jesus, the Father, the Son. It's a proclamation. Right. Yeah, but most people, I think, out of your point, some people probably confused with what the issue is.

About, right. Are you predicting the future and stuff like that? That's really not what they're talking about. Here's the clever way to get around this. It's like, do you believe in prophecy? Well, I believe in at least one. Which is what? Jesus is coming back.

Oh, he's coming back. Considered a prophecy. Correct. See, I tricked you. This is, you know, is that not true? Yeah. Is that a prophecy? It is.

Absolutely. So it's kind of like the ghost. You know, do you believe in ghosts? I believe in at least one. That's right. You just got to remember the thing about prophecy that people get tripped up on is that all the privacy from the Old Testament, the for hundreds of years before Jesus came, were all about him coming. Yeah.

So when he said, I fulfilled all privacy, that's what he means. But then he said some things and so did his disciples that we still look forward to. And you're right. So, I mean, they were just telling us be ready for this. So that's what we do too. When we prophesied that we're in a bad place in our country and we're heading for a disaster, is that a privacy? Yeah.

It's true. It's true. It's true. You know, it's not like I got special insight. I'm just looking around me. You can take the experts. They have the numbers. Yeah.

It's there. Yeah. We're on the decline. So. Yeah. than what was going on in the New Testament. Yes. Yeah.

I mean, miracles, signs and wonders, which we're going to get to, even in Luke, there we at, chapter eight, I mean,

there's two in this, the storm, the, and the healing of the demon-possessed God. These are miracles. And I've said thousands of times that Jesus is better than miracles. And that's his point.

The, the miracles and, signs and wonders, what were they doing? They were pointing in the same direction. Just take the sign. You think, what does a sign do? The sign is confirming that you're going in the right direction. Well, the direction is that Jesus is the son of God. That's all this was for. If you look at it, if you look at it, there is a, it's more than a flurry. I don't know what the word would be, but while he was here in flesh childhood that's short to the point but he hits about 30 years old and when Luke said that's when his ministry started yeah well that's where the marriage is

started the the numbers of miraculous things has never jumped to the extent it did in the three years he was walking around, sitting down and talking and doing what we're reading, with the crowds coming in and out. Then he gave the power to his, you know, apostles. So it really was probably more like 30 years. Yeah. Where you were seeing all these things. Yeah, it was that whole period.

But you make a good point. Biblical signs are just like signs that are on the road today. They had to serve the same purpose. They make sure you're going in the right direction and you know where you're going. and they warn you. You see the one with a curve, it means there's a curve coming up. You need to slow down.

You know, it gives you a little... Well, and it's all designed, though, with the theme that Jesus is the Son of God. Right. And so you have to form an opinion on who he is. And, you know, they get this from a story we're going to discuss here with the brothers and mother of Jesus

and this kind of controversial family thing. but in Mark's account, this was right after they, you know, his own family said, well, he's lost his mind. Because he said, I forgive sins. They're like, he's lost his mind. I mean, he's crazy. All authority in heaven and earth had been given to me, Jesus said, but you just think about it. That's a mouthful. Well, right.

I mean. But when they said, his family said he had lost his mind, the Pharisees then said, no, he's got a demon. Yeah. And so that's where they came up with this three-pronged, I forgot what they call it in the scholarly world, but it's either you believe Jesus is a liar, a lunatic, or Lord. Yeah. And so now much later, in our culture, we developed another one,

which is, I don't know a word that starts with L, but it's more in like in our culture, it's more like, well, he was just a good teacher. Yeah. of love and peace, you know. He's not necessarily the son of God. But whatever view you take, I mean, he's forcing you to do that by saying he has the ability to forgive sins, the miracles. That's all pointing to him being the son of God. So I said all that to say, there's also a fact, though, if that's true, that means you're not. You're not a, there's a God and you're not him.

So I wouldn't in the same breath to discourage miracles. I'm not God. If he wants to do something right now, what's that got to do with me? So I'm in that camp. I try to teach what it says about miracles because a lot of people in our culture, they chase miracles. And that's the wrong thing to chase. The miracles pointing you to Jesus being the son of God, which is why we came up. up with that saying, Jesus is better than miracles. That was a means to an end. The end is Jesus,

who is also the beginning. Yeah. So I think it helps you study the word when you have that in the right context. But then you can't come up and start writing, you know, our goal in life is not to start writing journals, you know, about that fact. God's God. And he has the power to do anything he wants to do at any time as far as we relate to time. But that's just what the purpose was in what we're reading. On my analogy, Jace, that's why when you're going on a trip, you don't get out and worship the road sign. You just let it guide you where you're going. Or collect the signs. Yeah. And you see that? People will do that. They take them and put it in their house. Well, usually the, I think the biggest, what people are frustrated at is I don't know when this phenomenon

hit maybe since Jesus came out of the grave, but there just seems to be a lot of pastors in our society who think they have some special line, and they're getting these revelations, you know, from God. And just by claiming that, you're claiming somehow that you're in a better standing than everyone else, and I think that's a dangerous place to be. I mean, there's a reason he gave us the Bible. and other spirit-filled people. But when you claim that you're getting all these crazy ideas, and I say crazy, but you know what I mean? It's like, well, God told me, it's hard to argue with someone

or try to have a meeting with someone when somebody's saying, well, God told me to do this. I'm like, well, he didn't tell the rest of us, and we don't agree with this. I've been in these types of situations where everybody else is saying, I don't think this is the direction we need to go. And he's like, well, but God told me this. Well, how do you argue with that?

You don't. It's inarguable. Yeah. Because you're going to do what you think is right. I was saying that that's a form of prophecy in his mind. He's like, well, God told me this. And you're going to do it or else. But I'm like, I'm not sure I believe in that.

I always remember. There's a mighty throng of individuals. Some of them are under lock and key. but the whole millions of them, they just have, they hear voices. Yeah. They hear voices.

Some of them, they say they're good voices. Some of them, for the most part, no. But there's a, you know, I think demons running around are still here.

No doubt. And we're going to talk a lot about this tomorrow. There's too many people that say, They're hearing voices. And when they start telling you what the voices they're saying, you're thinking only the power of God will save this. The evil forces interact with your thoughts. But then you've got your own thoughts,

and then you've got God and the Holy Spirit. So there's options. You've got options. That's what we talked about last podcast. They're in the parable of the sewer. He's zeroing in on how you think, how you hear, how you listen. What's going on in your head? and that's going to produce,

you take a verse like, where's that, Galatians 5, 6, where it says the only thing that counts is faith expressing itself in love. Yep. Because we tend to think of faith as just belief or something that's going on in your head. And, but it's, it is,

but you can prepare your heart for what's going in your heart. your head just by simple decisions. But also at some point, it's got to be expressed. It can't just all be in your head because that's why it produces a crop at the end. You look around. So there's a filtering system that really Jesus has zeroed in on this, and I think you'll continue to see it as well.

That's why I just said, you used that verse that made me think about how many I mean, knock down, drag out, mean-spirited arguments that people have over faith issues and in churches. And you think, that's not, you're not expressing this in love. Like, the first sign that you're on the wrong path is that there's no love here. Yeah, exactly. I mean, you know what I'm saying? It's the design that we do this lovingly.

We can disagree, but, I mean, good grief. I've seen some of the way. Well, part of the reason I said that is because, you know, we're fixed to read. about Jesus' mother and brothers. But the next story is a miracle about Jesus calming the storm. But in the middle of that, he asked an interesting question. Because usually when he talked about faith, he didn't word it quite like this.

But, you know, he's sleeping. The storm is coming. The disciples panic. They wake him up, which the fact that he's sleeping is really what we'll talk about. Yeah, right. There's a lot going on here. And then he's like, he asks a question, where is your faith? Well, which is a great bumper sticker.

Yeah. But if you really think about what that question means, it's deeper than what you think. Because you think, what did that mean? Where is your faith? It's kind of like you have every reason. I've given you every reason in the world not to panic, not to, but you're not. And it's in there. You know, and I'm here.

You know this is going to be okay if what you've been, you've led me to believe by your faith. And he's like, where is it? This is where you're supposed to whip it out. And that's why I said it's a, it got me to thinking about that, about expressing your faith. You can sit around and have Bible studies every day for the rest of your life. But when you go out into the world, things happen that are difficult. Well, that's where you. need it. That's where you need to express it. What happened to it? It's not something you're just

talking about like that's why somebody rolls around, rolls into your life, accidentally on purpose, the guy that just walked out the door out here, you know, had some marriage troubles and but he came out of it. He wanted to commit suicide and all that. But he came through here, and we reached out to him. In other words, your faith is seen when you're going to be. You're going to deal with one individual or a million of them. Your faith is the same, whether it's a million or whether it's one. What is your stand on this particular issue? How did, you know, where did the cosmos come from?

What am I doing here? You're their way out of here. You know, we give them spiritual answers to their earthly questions. You know, they don't have any faith. They're fixed to kill themselves. And you're trying to get them not to. She'd tell them you love them. But other than that, but you see a lot of them come out, that guy that just walked out,

I mean, he's, he's, he's, he's, his feet now on a solid ground. His faith now is known for all the ones that know him. You see what I'm saying? Well, and to Jesus's point, he didn't have any faith until he faced. You know, repentant change of heart and lifestyle, it's pretty well going to spread pretty fast. Mm-hmm. If you didn't live like that before you ran. ran up on Jesus.

Right. Will you tell somebody there like, well, good night. It worked with him. Maybe it'll work with me. And we talked about that same thing, Dad, in the parable of the sower, which is setting us up where we're going to go today. And one of the things I didn't mention the last podcast is you think about the recent events of what we've been studying in the book of Luke.

And all these different kinds of soils or hearts, they've seen it happen. Like, you remember when he started in Nazareth and he went in, remember, and he, you He told him who he was because that was where he's from. Remember what happened? Nothing. They just said, they just immediately rejected him out of hand. It was like, who? Are you the, isn't this the carpenter's son?

So they wouldn't even give him a chance. They wouldn't even listen. Well, that was that first soil, you know, I mean, you don't even get a chance to do it. Then remember the story with Simon the Pharisee. He looks at the woman. He's curious enough to have Jesus in his home. But the minute he sees. someone worshipping him and giving their life, what does he do?

This guy's, he's, you know, he had that shallow view of, of, it's just like that second set. Yeah, also in Romans 12, you know, you live your, in view of God's mercy, his death, his resurrection, in view of that, offer your bodies as living sacrifices. So the question comes up, Jayce, what's a living sacrifice? to sacrifice it, but it's alive. So how does that work? Well, I think that's what we're saying. It's the same concept of faith expressing itself in love.

I mean, it may not be the best idea that you can do may not be free from pain. I mean, it's kind of like when you think about it, what if, you know, you got a problem? Well, the answer may be, let's say, have a problem? a physical problem. The answer may be surgery. Well, who wants to experience that? But that may be the best option, you know, for your well-being. So I'm like, when you start dealing with people, it doesn't mean this is going to be pain-free and difficult-free. And so when you start having to make sacrifices, I think that's what it's talking about. When you approach another human being and are you trying to help them out of a pit that usually they've made by a lot of bad decisions,

a lot of sacrifices are going to have to be made that lead to healing and restoration by you. Because, you know, they'll lie to you. I mean, it's just difficult to help people. I think that's why he makes that transition, and we talked about this, from the sower and the soil to the concept of light and how we listen. You know, the majority of them died from just walking by faith. They're offering their bodies as living sacrifices. But they weren't.

They reached out to others. I mean, they tried to live this out, but they all were sacrificed. Yeah, but they didn't keep it to themselves. You know, if they had just kind of what we're talking about, if they were to just put a bowl over the light in their heart and in their lifestyle, nothing bad would have happened to them, but their life would have been meaningless. They would have just been a typical human being, lived their life, caught a few fish, had a few good times, and then they just die. But they had this encounter with Jesus, and they decided to be open-minded to it, and then they decided, you know, post-resurrection just to get out loud and disruptive.

with it and yeah they all die for their faith everyone i preach the gospel to share him share the gospel with them i'm doing it because i want them to live forever i believe they can live forever i'm convinced of it i tell people that it's take it or leave it i'm not mad at you if you don't i love you just think about it the most of them if you'll say just think about it looking back, there's a big bunch of people who did think about it. And some of them come back years later. So, you know, you remember the time when you told me, and they go back 30 years, and I have no idea who they are.

But they were there at some point, and I just shared them with that. But they come dragging up 30 years after you talk with them. It's been amazing to watch. Well, I think back to dad to that conversation that... You know, sure of what you hope for, certain of what you can't see. I mean, that tends to stick to a man's bones. I think about that conversation that Jesus had with Pilate, where he told him that, you know, the ones who listen to him,

everyone on the side of truth listens to me. Because you remember this whole thing has been about, be careful how you listen. Yeah. And what was Pilots' answer? everyone on the side of truth lives to me, he said, what is truth? Yeah. And there's the tension.

There's the line. Jesus has always been about light. Light has always been about truth. I want to read that the reason he made that statement is because the statement made about him at the first part of John. Through him, all things were made without him, nothing was made that has been made. In him was life, and that life was the light of men. The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness. does not understand it.

Yep. Which is where a pilot was. He's like, I don't get it. Well, I mean, truth is, in his mind, truth was relative to the political setting, to this, that, and the other. He couldn't just see Jesus for who he was. And then John said, there came a man who was sent from God. His name was John, talking about John the Baptist. He came as a witness to testify concerning that light so that through him all men might believe.

He himself was not the light. he came only as a witness to the light, the true light that gives light to every man was coming into the world. Yeah. So I just, I love that idea. That's exactly what he's talking about to the disciples when he's talking to him about both the soar

and this be careful how you listen. I mean, it really does just go all the way through his life, right up to the point where he died. Well, yeah, because if you're still saying the same thing. If you believe 8-17, you know, you should pull over on the side of the road and have a talk with God because it says, for there is nothing hidden that will not be disclosed

and nothing concealed that will not be known or brought out into the open. If you believe that as factual, you need to get that right. Yeah, you better make sure you got it right. I mean, I'm just saying, if you believe God is real, these are the kind of thoughts you've got to... By the way, Jace, and to your point, therefore, he says, after saying what you just read, consider carefully how you listen. Yeah.

We're back in the, you know, you consider how. Listen to God. If you're listening to God and you hear that statement and you start going back in your past, things that you think you got away with, things you think. Nobody will never know. Yeah, they'll never know. I did it. I pulled it off.

Nobody's ever going to know my secret. No, there's someone who knows the secret. It's the same being that created the universe and created you. Yep. And gave his son for you. So it's not like God doesn't want to forgive you. But when you're dishonest and you're acting like he's not there, he's just simply saying, oh, it's coming out.

Because he doesn't function in a realm of time like we do. He's not going to forget about it. So unless he looks to the cross, which is what's crazy. You remember that verse that, you know, I'll remember their sins no more. I mean, if you are honest with them and come to him, this all gets into how you listen in the state of your heart. And you put your faith and trust in the cross of Jesus in his plan and the resurrection. Well, you'll confess them. To him. I mean, you don't have to tell me. I mean, I know it is helpful that we confess our sins

to each other to each other because it helps us hold each other accountable and see how we can encourage. But the bottom line is you've got to have this right with God, number one first. There has to be this connection and conversation. It usually results in you being on your knees. So here's one of the most famous verses in the Bible. Most people have seen it back in the 70s and 80s you saw it everywhere. John 316, for God so loved the world that he gave his one and only son that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because

he is not believed in the name of God's one and only son. This is the verdict. Light has come into the world. But men love darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. Everyone who does evil hates the light and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. Just where he's talking about, but whoever lives by the truth comes into the light so that it may be plainly seen that what he has done has been done through God. Perfect verse. Yeah. That's exactly what he says. And the reason you're, God's looking at your heart. And Jesus, he's telling these parables, because think about it, after you read this, because I don't know if y'all, well, Phil, you probably hadn't gone anywhere, but since I left yesterday

when we found this podcast, I'm seeing all these crops, you know, differently. Oh, yeah. As we've been talking about. I'm like, yeah, I'm not there. You'll see a pasture with a bunch of weeds and, you know, like, yep, I don't want to be in there. You see all this beautiful corn. It's not producing. And so yesterday when I got home,

every time I flipped a light switch on, you know, I was thinking about this passage. And that's what Jesus does. He's taking something that's vital to our well-being. Crops, you know, because we got to eat and light. And he's making a spiritual principle because you said, well, why is he doing that? Because he created the physical concepts of it

and the spiritual implications of it. So it makes sense where if you created it, you could then use it for illustration purposes because this was your idea. Yeah. It was his idea. What was it mine? So most skeptics of the Bible, they do it backwards.

They say, oh, you Christians, y'all just looked around and then, you know, wrote a book and used all the things you saw as the driving force. And it's like, I think C.S. Lewis was the one that championed that. But he's like, no, you have it backwards. He created it first. And then he used so he could use the illustrations to find your way to him. And it would always give you that testing point. Here's another verse.

I mean, it's all throughout the New Testament. Ephesians 5'8. For you are once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. live as children of light. For the fruit of the light consists in goodness, righteousness, truth. Find out what pleases the Lord. Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them. Here's that exposure again.

For it is shameful even to mention what the disobedient do in secret. But everything exposed by the light becomes visible. For it is light that makes everything visible. That's why it said, wake up, oh, sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you. be very careful then how you live. So it's that Paul makes the exact same challenge that John did. And even if you don't believe that, if you're not a believer, how come the worst part of a lie or sinful behavior is the cover up?

Yep. It's just coincidence or did the Bible have it right? You know, God flicked, he flips the light switch on and what's going wrong in your inner being where you think nobody else knows. No, God knows. He flips that light on, you turn it off. He flips it on, you turn it off. Yeah.

You know, that's really what's happening every day. He flips it on, you're like, oh, no, no, no. You just, I don't want to think about it. Get my mind off of it. It's funny because this last week, so somebody, the Secret Service, found some bag of cocaine in the White House. And so immediately, there were five different stories as to where it was found. every other day. Well, first it was here, then it was there.

I was surprised it came out. Right. I thought, how does that even? You know the only reason it did, Jay's, is because it got out of their little closed system because the fire department had to come in and all these other people. Oh, because it was a white powder. Right. So they thought it was anthra.

So what happened was it got outside the bubble and guess what? The light was exposed. Now, you know whoever's there. They know who it belongs to. Oh, yeah, they do. But they can't tell because they feel like we. We can keep this darkened, but everybody just laughs because you just roll your eyes. I honestly think that's the worst thing, you know, these, because I'm not in the politics,

you know, very, I'm not up to date. But as far as a marketing campaign, I think that's pretty much the worst thing you can do. Because then you're like, it just sends you some kind of imagery. Yeah. Like, they're doing cocaine and the whiteout. I don't need a further explanation. I got it. We got it. Because you think about all the security. I mean, if we tried to go into the White House, you're not making it. I've tried.

I've been in it and toured it. So the fact that cocaine got there. The laws who are putting people in jail for the use of cocaine is found by the people that members of the law. But what makes it relevant to our discussion here is that it's going to be exposed anyway. That's what happens. The minute it gets out of your little trying to control everything and keep it dark, people are going to know anyway. And so then you make up all these lies about it. What difference does it?

I mean, it really is the fruitlessness of darkness. Are you shocked out to find out that some government officials are doing so. I'm like, Jason, I'm shocked that we're just, you know, we're even heard about it. I'm shocked that it got out. Yeah, I was too. I wasn't shocked that it was happening. I mean, I know you, you know, there's no, where's the moral compass here? So let's get to this text because we've we've kind of referenced it and I at least want to

read it in our last segment here. Because out of that, be careful how you listen, so Luke decides to put this little section about the family. And you're right, it's a little bit different than Mark. It comes in at a different time. Well, you read the Luke and I'll, I want to reference the Mark. Yeah, because they're both very valid. So verse 19 says, in the midst of this description, he sticks it in here. Now Jesus' mother and brothers came to see but they were not able to get near him because of the crowd because remember the setting is there's this huge crowd there someone told him your mother and brothers are standing outside wanting to see and i'm sure the assumption was when they said that that it'd be like you know they get in their family you know they're

hey we have all the events i do everywhere i go there's always somebody's mom or brother or even mine are trying to get get in that's right to the event it's just This is a, you know, people who are not in this world, you probably think it's easy, but it's, there's always a lot of chaos about people getting with a kid, because they can't get to you. Right. It's the same concept. Exactly.

And so you're kind of in this. You have to come up with a system to get them in. And people get their feelings heard. Oh, big time. You know, I'm like, there's no room in there. I'll have a buddies. Like, hey, I'm trying to get in. I'm out here.

I don't have a ticket, you know. And I try to make it happen. And they're like, hey, there's no room in the end. Sorry. So you see how this could happen. So his reply was, my mother and brothers are those who hear God's word and put it into practice. And a lot of people make an assumption of a leap that Jesus is down in his family, but he's not. He's just telling you about the bigger concept of family and forever family.

Well, I think the point is they were down on him. True. And that's why the Mark... Now, that's why I was going to bring up in Mark. So Mark's interesting because this conversation happens right before the Parable of the Sower in Mark, which is interesting. And before that, you have the guy from the first ceiling fan of Jesus. You get it? I like that.

You know, when they opened up. You could use that back when we talked about it. And they opened up, because my point is... I caught the hole in the root game. He caused the ceiling fan. I like that. No, it was his first ceiling fan because Jesus was a celebrity. When you're, when you're, this, the whole context of both these stories that we have a large

crowd of people, he had become a celebrity. And it wasn't because he was doing magic tricks. I mean, he was doing actual miracles and healing. Which would make you a high target for people wanting to get to. And he was saying profound things, and as an uneducated carpenter, he was educated, but not to the degree of you think he would be making these kind of claims. He didn't go to Pharisee school. He didn't go to Pharisee school. But I wanted to read this, because I think this is Mark 320.

So this is right before Jesus' mother and brothers in Mark 331. But Jesus entered a house, and again, a... crowd gathered so that he and his disciples were not even able to eat now what this next verse obscure verse when his family heard about this they went to take charge of him for they said he's out of his mind well what and how many verses later 10 yeah well they arrive so it wasn't like you get a little bit of a wrong impression if you're reading Luke. So we got to go do something about it. Yeah.

So what Jesus knew that they're like, you know, my family thinks I'm crazy. And look, now did they all turn it around at some point? Obviously, because his mom was with him every step of the way and his brothers who didn't believe at first would eventually come around because in Acts 1, 13 and 14, when they're up, this post-resurrection, it says they were together in prayer along. with the women and his brothers. Yeah. So they had made a complete transformation.

But the point is, he made a principle that's a greater principle of he's introducing a glimpse into the forever family of God. This is what the kingdom is about. You may be my mother and my sister. You may be my wife, you know, like practically. my wife may be my wife and my sister, but it's going to happen forever. So which is the greater relationship, really. The eternal one is the one he was giving a picture of.

But I do think it's helpful to understand. He also knew in the moment they thought he's going crazy. We got to go line him out. Go talk to him. So it was a little bit of, he was popping their hand here. Yeah. I do think that was a dual focus on that. I think so.

And like you said, It was mainly because they were going to try to take him out of play. I mean, they went to take control of him. That's pretty strong. Well, they were having the same trouble that you're having and we're having, and our listeners are having. Is he who he claims to be? Well, there's a reason people say the hardest people to reach for Jesus. It's people who are in your family.

It's just harder. and I've noticed it you know we different members of our family you know cousin whatever it's just harder to reach them because you have such a good relationship that you're like hey who are you trying to get here I change your diaper so I mean his mom could have said that

she's like I mean I get it you came about but you're just you've gotten off that you create a narrative of what he's supposed to do and when that's not happening you're like wait a minute, this is not right. And that's Jesus' point is, I am the narrative. You should just be, follow me with a notebook. It is what it is.

What you think I should be is never going to happen. When you start thinking like that, because their deduction, for whatever reason, and we weren't there, but they've concluded that he's lost his mind. This is not the plan. And they were part, even his mom. She was part of a miracle that happened.

You would think she would trust him in the moment, but it is just really hard. Life can be very different. And it's really, it really fits the narrative, Jase, because we were talking about John the Baptist having doubts, and it's the same thing. It'd be the same with his mom. You know, circumstances can become so powerful, and everybody talking about something can be, because you've got to put yourself in this sensationalized situation. situation. This whole country was talking about Jesus. Remember, he's up in Galilee area,

but remember they're coming in from Judea, Jerusalem. I mean, like, word is out. This is a buzz, you know, in their context, thousands of people. The only, there's very few things I'm thankful for about, you know, enduring when, when fame happens quickly, and we were all a part of that. It's like a, I've used this example before, because when we do, Q&A's people always ask number one question. Well, you know, how has this changed you? Because they want to know what before and after, you know, what were the changes? But it's such like a bonfire going off when all of a sudden you become famous.

You know, our duck show just took off. And I don't know the exact point of when it happened, but the realization of it was when I just went anywhere in public, gas station, restaurant, church built, crowds started forming wherever you went. Well, it becomes something hard to navigate. And people respond differently and the people around you respond differently. And what we all noticed an experience was very few people outside of our family were being loyal. It became a situation where people are now trying to get something out of you. Even people you've known for years and betrayal happened.

These are the things that happen when you become famous. And so I think it's a unique perspective to realize that's what's happening here. And even in it, it's going to put everybody to the test. Where are you at in this? And when you throw in something negative happening, which is happening here, where you've got opposition, it really gets crazy. Because then you start thinking, well, I don't maybe, maybe there is something wrong. You know, you can see where Mary's mind begins to go. Well, maybe he just needs to step back for a while.

You can hear all the different ways we start saying we're trying to help somebody when really he's like, hey, I'm on track here. So we'll talk more about this in the overtime. We're out of time. If you want to follow us over, it's blazediv.com slash unashamed. We'll talk a little bit more about this family and crisis situation. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast. Help us out by rating us on iTunes.

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