Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 726 | Jase Calls Out Spiritual Warfare Plaguing ‘Sound of Freedom’ & the Best Money Phil’s Spent

Episode Date: July 31, 2023

Jase and Al saw “Sound of Freedom” and can’t wait to tell everyone about it. Phil, of course, hasn’t yet ventured to the movie theater to see it. While Jase recommends “Sound of Freedom,” he has a bone to pick with the “Mission: Impossible” franchise. The guys dive into a story from Luke 8 about a woman who was healed merely by touching the hem of Jesus’ cloak. Al gives some context about what Jesus was doing in that place at that time, and Phil draws a conclusion based on his own experience with women about how long this process likely took.  In this episode: Luke 8, verses 40-56; Romans 1, verse 31; Hebrews 11, verse 6; Ephesians 4, verses 18-19 — Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? Welcome back to Unashamed. I have come to the Southern Lair for our podcast today. So, Dad, looks like I left at the perfect time. You had a little, we had some trees down out there in your area. We weren't even sure to be able to use the layer today because of, you had a pretty good little brew hi-ha come through yesterday, huh? What was that like? If you live in the woods, we just got up just like a trail going down to the, then it just plays out. It's all woods, river on one side, woods on the other.

From time to time, a wind to come along. If the wind is 25 miles an hour, which is not real big, but some of it get up to 30, but falling tree. trees is a constant. Yep. We were just going to, so we have a big generator that kicks on when your power goes out. Well, yesterday, we kept getting rougher and rougher, one of them thunder clapers here in July, which you don't see very often. And everything blinked.

That means you just lost your power and your generator fixed to kick in. And so you just about, if you want to live trouble-free down in here, for the most part, you'd have a generator out there that can give you energy. So yesterday it just everything, it clicked on takes for about 10 seconds. Something that, you know, you lose your power. A tree just knock your lines down. Well, we just got a generator out there. We'll go out. And you don't even go out.

I have to look. It'll just come on automatically. You got your power back, and it's no big deal. Sometime that lasts one hour, two hours, sometimes it lasts two days, sometimes it lasts two weeks, depending on how rough the weather is. So all that stuff, you just take it in stride. I pulled up to see what was going on, and the tree was in the middle of the road, across the road, and the wires.

Well, some guy about an hour later pulled up L, P&L, Power and Lightman. He had a little thing in his hand. He said, I can tell whether the wires are hot or not. I said, yeah, I don't have one of those. That's why I've been standing over him on the edge looking over there where you are. Yeah. Because you could die in a hurry if you get around them free. Could you not travel down your road?

You were blocked. Oh, blocked up, locked up, couldn't get in. So I opened the gate for them because I knew they had to come at some point, told Dan, Ms. Kay called Dan, Dan called the power people. What were you doing? Walking around? I was just going up there and inspected the damage. I'm saying how did you get to the gate at the road?

I drove up, I drove up to the log was across the road, and the gate's still up there. Oh, and then you walked up there? Yeah, no, I didn't walk up there. I just got back from the wires. but it was inside the gate so I just told them to open the gate and leave it open so LPNL, the power people could just come on in we gave them the address you got a log across the road

it's on the... How big a tree was this? Oh, it was an oak about like that. Pretty big. Pretty big, but it was dead and it just hit busting in about two pieces but it was too much... I was going to wince it out of there

one once they got it fixed but they did all that for me so that's pretty nice of them sometime between six o'clock yesterday evening and oh no i heard it even though i'm a few miles from you it the thunder and lightning was just rocking the house that's it it's interesting because when we grew up out there we uh we were still fishing so we didn't have the means by which to buy one of these generators which are very nice i got one in my house too and um so You just had to weather whatever happened, literally. And so I can remember some of those one week stretches when it was cold and when it was hot where you didn't have any power. You just had to, we used to run water in the bathtub, remember, you know, because you're coming out of a well.

But when you lose power, then your pump goes out so you can't get water either. So these generators are the best thing you could ever purchase. For us, especially way out in the middle of the woods. We just keep going for up to a month. that thing's got a big tank on it, fuel tank. I mean, as soon as your electricity goes off, 10 seconds, it's rare. I don't forget the name of that company. They're down there in Pineville or somewhere, Louisiana, so they...

Yeah, they should make you a sponsor. It's a nation. Yeah, I know what, I've been waiting on them to give me a check. I plug them all the time. Did you... Well, Phil, most people... They sent me dole of squat. Most people don't go and...

buy a house in a flood zone in the middle of the woods at the end of a road. That is correct. So their audience may be limited as far as. It has. It had its drawbacks. Did you think about the story where Jesus calmed the storm in Luke 8? No, that would have been nice to have him. Well, we had just studied.

You know, trees can come down and do a lot of damage if they're in the wrong place, you know. Well, we just had one a couple weeks ago that I talked about. It fell, you know, right in front of our gate. Falling trees are pretty well a constant. We had a sister, dad, at the church. She's still around, but her younger sister when she was just maybe 10 years old, she was just walking along there in front of her house and the tree fell on and killed her. Oh, yeah.

And it happens all the time. It's dangerous. So, Jason, what about your weekend? Well, you know, it's been a week of a lot of, I guess, a lot of spiritual warfare. I guess, just with, you know, with helping kids and marriages and different situations. You know, sometimes it's just, it tends to snowball. I guess when you're out there, you have relationships with people through the years. You bring a lot of people to Christ.

and so every once in a while you just have those weeks where it feels like you're running a business for it's like when one person leaves the next person you know knocks on the door and here we go but uh missy and i took one night and she wanted to go to a movie because we had she had three movies that she wants to see which is the first time she's actually wanted to see a movie in years but I think at the top of the list was this movie Sound of Freedom. It's the first time I've been to a movie besides the blind, which we, what do you call that, was a private screening? That was kind of a private screening, yeah.

But it was a full house. Oh, yeah, we were packed. So all those people were invited to be there, I guess? Correct. Oh, okay. Well, that was, so you take that out. I hadn't been to a movie theater in years. and so we went and saw the sound of freedom i wish i had gone sooner so i was actually uh it was it was a

tough watch really well done glad i went and i want to i don't know i'm not involved with anybody who's putting that on but after i saw that i just would highly recommend people get him behind that and going and watching it. And if you don't know what it's about, it's basically it tells a true story of a guy who just stopped his life and tried to rescue children who were being used for sexual abuse. And it's based on a true story. But actually, after the movie was over,

and I want to say this because you want to watch through the credits. A little thing comes up and it's like special message in maybe four minutes or whatever. So Missy's like, I think we should watch this, whatever it is. So then the star of the movie, Caviesel, is it Jim? Yeah, Jim Cabezel. Same guy who played Jesus in The Passion. Yeah. He gave a very fantastic speech that I will.

encourage everyone to listen to. And this is one of those things where it's, you know, I wasn't sure what had happened. I'm a non-social media guy, so I don't want to give a wrong narrative of what's happening. But evidently, this movie was done five years ago, and they couldn't get it to be released. He called it roadblocks. and what I kind of gathered is that, you know, most of the people in this industry of having these arrangements with kids. I mean, they're kidnapping kids.

They turn them into slaves. And then you have these really high rollers who are paying for the, I mean, it's sickening. That's why I said it's hard to watch. The fact that it's going on in our world just, It physically made me nauseous. But so maybe, you know, the impression was some of the people, even in Hollywood and government agencies and these companies that are worth billion, some of these high rollers are people doing these very same things. So, which caused some roadblocks.

And so they're trying to reveal the truth of what's going to. on and get the people to kind of rise up against it. So I'm in. Well, and it begs the questions. I mean, look, I've done probably a little bit more looking into it than you have. And you're spot on. I mean, there's, there's no doubt there are some powerful forces that have been at work against this coming out. And you mentioned spiritual warfare, Jason. We first started talking about this. This is a classic, clear case of it. I mean, this evil tries to protect evil. And so Kavisel and their, crew and Angel Studios and all these people that got the movie out.

Kudos to them. The movie's been doing fantastic, by the way. I mean, it's getting no help from media and yet it's gone because it's so important. It was such an important topic. My deal is, look, no matter what side of this political spectrum, your own, left, right, whatever, libertarian, if you can't get behind protecting kids from sexual predators, I mean, you got a serious problem going on in your life. So this is something that should be.

Everybody should be behind stopping this, number one, but also even being supportive, as you said, Jayce, because this is a true story. This is a guy that, you know, he put it as hard. And so we got a lot of other friends. You know, remember we had Adam LaRoche on, Jace. That's what La Roche is doing. And a lot of other people, they're using now the means,

the blessings they got from being a professional athlete, whatever, to save children. And so I can't think of a better thing to do, to be honest with you. Well, sometimes you, got to be jolted and that's what this does i completely understand why people like adam la roche and other people are going off and doing this after i watch this and it was it was a jolt and it's kind of a pay it forward ground roots type operation that they have they're telling this story and they're giving you the stats and they made the movie even though it's rated r because it is disturbing to what very hard to watch

it's done in a way where there's not a lot of, you know, profanity and, you know, they're trying to, they tried to make it where even Christian people could watch it and not feel like they have to, you know, take a shower. But, so I just think it was well done. It needed to be done. I'm behind it 100%. And so I encourage our listeners to go watch the movie and you'll see why we'll, you'll see why we led you there.

Well, it kind of reminds you that verse when Jesus said, you know, it's better to have a millstone, you know, or you get around your neck and thrown into a deep pool of water than to mess with kids. And so, you know, I don't want to give you a spoiler, but the main star, Jim Caviesel, actually said that in the movie. Good. He quoted that. And to a sexual predator that they had caught,

and that guy was like, what are you talking about? Because he had no idea, obviously, that that was a Bible verse. He didn't say that's in, you know, give the book chapter of verse. He just said it, which was basically his moment of saying, you're fixed to go down. But that's the kind of nuggets I liked about the movie. There was a spiritual undertone in there. And that was one of the.

references made, but only a believer, Bible studier would realize that that was a verse. I'm sure most people didn't recognize that as a Bible verse. Well, but the best thing is that's straight from God's mouth to our ears. So let's take our first break. So before we get to our Bible study jazz, you mentioned that Missy wanted to see two or three movies. Can you mention the other ones she wants to see or did you talk about that? You made the right choice because I still haven't seen the first.

film but I'm going to this week. But I made another choice just because it was about to go off the theater. And so I saw a movie too. I saw Guardians of the Galaxy. Well, she wanted to see that. And now I realize why, because that was more of a spiritual decision. Sure. And so that was at the top of the list.

She wanted to see the Harrison Ford. Oh, yeah. The Indiana Jones. Indiana Jones. Just because, I mean, it takes you back to when we were kids. and so and then the other which I objected to because of the name which is the new I guess in last Mission Impossible which I've always taken on as it's a lot but I can't get past the name that they took a spiritual principle mission impossible and then they then he does it well why

why don't you name it mission possible? You know, Hebrews 116 discusses things that are impossible. You cannot, I mean, I'll read that one. Jay's is not seeing it based on biblical ground. No. I mean, it makes me. If only they had called it Mission Possible back in the 60s when this series came out, Jace could have been on board.

But mission impossible, nope. Look, I'm not sad that Hollywood is on strike. I don't know the details on why they are. But maybe it's because they're taking all of God's qualities and making movies about it. Get your own material. Quit coming up with Superman and Batman and all these people who can have all these special godlike qualities. You know, and they come back from the dead. You can't kill them.

Took out those imperishable qualities and impossible things happening that only God can provide, you'd cut your movie production by three quarters, and then you wouldn't have to go on strike. And you know it's true. So Hebrews 11, 6, I had a brain crap, I couldn't remember. And without faith, it is impossible to please God because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him. So that would be a mission impossible. You're trying to please God without faith.

Yeah. Another one would be when Jesus, when he was in the tune, it said it was impossible in Peter's sermon for death to keep its hold on him. Yeah. Now, that's what you need to do a movie about. Do it about. I think they're doing it. Jesus, who, the only person on the planet where it was impossible,

for death to keep him. Now, that's something to ponder, are they? I think so. I've heard that next year, Mel Gibson has the sequel to the passion coming out. And I don't know what, I've just heard this. So I don't know if that's factually accurate. But you remember at the end of the passion, it shows Jesus set up and you see his hand and there's a hole through it.

Well, I'm just, well, I'm just. Well, I'm irritated that it took this long because the Bible narrative was three days. It's been, what, 30 years? It's been a long time. Well, you know, it was easier for Jesus to come back from the dead than it is to get a movie made in Hollywood. To your point earlier about this sound of freedom. Well, that's what kind of got my blood boiling is when I realized that some powers that B tried to block this movie. Now, I realize it's a hard thing to watch.

I don't know if that was the reason, but I'm like, it's obviously a mission. It's a movie with a mission. They're trying to draw attention to what's going on in our world. It's an epidemic. I mean, there's more people in this sexual slave world than there was the entire slavery epidemic. Oh, yeah. You know, in the 1800s that started. I mean, this is a problem, and children are being abused, and we should rise up.

as a world and try to do something about it. It's a great point, Jayce. And all you here talked about was slavery is from 150 plus years, now 170 years ago and reparations and all this stuff, when actually we should be talking about this, because this is happening in real time. It's what happens when you don't live alive because of your depravity. Depravity becomes mainstream. It's a tough, it's a tough world in.

about, you know what I'm saying? That's a depraved mind. Now look, remember we had Beam on, recently on a podcast, Joe Beam, and remember what he based the whole evil structure on? Was Paul's description, Ephesians 418, darkened in your understanding, separated from the life of God, because of the ignorance that is in them due to the hardening of their hearts, they lose all sensitivity and then give themselves over to sense.

sensuality so is to indulge in every kind of impurity with a continual lust for more. Yep. I mean, you're just watching a slide into depravity like you just described, and it begins with darkening. Yeah. You know, just no light. And a lot, they draw attention to a lot of these people with a lot of money. And I mean, as in billions, you know, they'll buy an island somewhere where they feel like there's no rules that apply. and they're just going to do whatever they want to do.

And that involves kidnapping children and taking them to the island as sex objects. Right. Well, you know, if you can't draw a line in the sand there, and so the reason they're having so much trouble getting people to take notice because the same people with all that money, they don't want you looking into their island. Yeah. So, yeah, it'll make you mad.

It's an emotional roller coaster, but I highly recommend it. It's something you remember Joe said, which I thought was really powerful because we were, and this will kind of get us, I guess, back into Luke, but we were in Luke chapter 8. And, you know, he said that we focused so much when we study these passages about demon possession because it was there. He said, but actually the demons and Satan himself weren't much. much more on manipulation than possession. In other words, the manipulation and the darkening of hearts is far more common than

possession. I mean, possession is crazy to read. And when you see it, I guess it's amazing to watch. But actually what they do in manipulation and seduction of people in hearts is far more prevalent and way more dangerous in the long term than even a possession could be. So I thought that was intriguing when he made that point. Yeah, it really. Really is. We got to have him back.

You think of a human being and you say, well, what's this person's problem? And you read in verse about 31, chapter one, chapter two of the book of Romans, they are senseless, so you don't have any sense. They are faithless. no God whatsoever. They're heartless. You say, man, come on. I mean, what, you know,

you're actually going to do that to a little child. And then they're ruthless. Well, if you are senseless, faithless, heartless, and ruthless, that's not much left to you, pal. Yeah. It's all bad then. Just horrendous. Yeah, that's a good, accurate depiction of that movie,

what the battle was about. It was people with those four qualities. I mean, I hadn't ever been to a movie where I was physically nauseous before, but, I mean, that was the first one. But I don't want that to deter you because you need to be nauseous about this. Yeah. Well, it's like, it's like people that couldn't go see, watch the passion because they're like, it's just too brutal. And I'm like, yeah, but that really happened. I mean, we've been studying the Jesus' crucifixion and torture our whole lives.

And somebody finally put it in a format that we could actually. see it. So I think that's powerful. Let's take another break. So Jay, it's just a reset, and I know you kind of had a big picture discussion you want to have today, where we are in the text. But so we got to chapter 8 of Luke, and we've, and Jesus is still in Galilee, which is up where he was raised, and he's still in that region. And so a lot of things are happening, and we're kind of heading toward that tipping point where he's going to head to Jerusalem when we get to chapter 9. But he started out. He started out. with these parables that he was telling about the sower and the seeds and then the one i call sight and

sound which is the one with the lamp on the stand does this much as important about how you listen as it is and what you see then he kind of had this awkward family interaction where his family came and we know from some of the other gospels that they thought he had lost it and so they basically came to try to take him home and you know settle him down but he told him he was on a mission We had this calming of the storm that you mentioned earlier, Jays, when he crossed the Sea of Galilee, and the reason he was crossing the Sea of Galilee was to interact with this guy who was possessed by literally thousands of demons,

and Jesus cast it out. And so that's what we talked about in the last podcast. So that gets us up to chapter 8, verse 40, which is going to be a couple of pretty amazing miracles that we're going to talk about now. Yeah, it's a fascinating story. And I think there's something in here, you know, big picture God's nature principles that you'll see about maybe God's timing and really people who are more concerned with the object of their faith than how much they have. Because you have, the two people involved here cannot be any more different in life as far as their social status and who they are

and what their request is. But they both kind of find the same conclusion, you know, at Jesus. But the danger of this and what we talked about before, like from a big picture, and when you think about what's happening here, Jesus is going around and he's introducing this concept of the kingdom. And he's... the king he's getting people to view him as the son of god and a son of man and people are having a hard time doing that i mean you remember when he he healed the paralytic or is that just a couple chapters back i mean the first thing he said was your sins are forgiven and it's like a record scratch moment because you're like yeah in chapter five you're like well wait a minute i mean i mean i think

think it's probably the only time in the history of the world where someone got their sins forgiven and they were disappointed because that's not what he was there for yes not all his friends brought him and i'm making that point to say i think us in modern day got to be careful as we go along here to realize that none of the disciples are really actually getting what's going on there and in the next chapter and the reason we're doing this break and getting the big picture today is because when you get to the next chapter well he sends them all out the 12 apostles including judas and they're driving out evil spirits and they're healing people which proves a point here which is also echoed and uh you know when jesus said not everyone who says to me lord lord you know will enter the kingdom

of god and and you'll say did we not prophesy in your name and and drive out demons and do mighty miracles in your name. And he says, away from me, I never knew you. Where's that at, Matthew 7, I think? 14 and 15. And so, well, what's the point? It's kind of the Corinthian problem where you remember in 1st Corinthians 13, Paul makes this just incredible statement that if you can fathom all mysteries

and you can give your body to the flames and you can do it. You can do all these great works, but you don't have love, you're nothing. And it was really a bombshell moment because he was saying there's something better than these miracles and these signs. It's pointing to Jesus being the Son of God. Once you get pointed in his direction, you see the love, the reason he's here, the love for humanity. and that love is going to trickle over to you. And that's the greater reason for studying this. But you got to remember, all these people that are watching this,

they're not getting it. So I think the danger is when you study these things paragraph by paragraph, you tend to try to apply them to your life today, but you've got to realize this is more of an understanding, who Jesus is so that when he does die on a cross, you get it. All these people wouldn't get it till post-resurrection. I mean, what happened when he died? They were all there.

At Luke, chapter 4, it says when Son was setting in verse 40, people brought to Jesus all who had various kinds of sicknesses laying on his hands, on each one, he healed them, moreover, demons came out of many people shouting, you're the son of God, but he rebuked them. And he would not allow them to speak because they knew he was the Christ. At daybreak, Jesus went out to a solitary place. The people were looking for him. And when they came to where he was, they tried to keep him from leaving him.

But he said, I must preach the good news of the kingdom of God to the other towns also, because that's why I was sent. Well, right. But that good news was really just that he was the king. And the, it was, because that's an excellent point. Because a lot of people, they're like, well, he's going around preaching the gospel, you know, the death, bell and resurrection of Jesus. No, he hasn't died yet.

That's correct. So the good news of the kingdom was that Jesus is fulfilling the prophecy that the king was coming. And the reason I'm making such a big deal of this is, is because they had a wrong view of what that kingdom was going to look like. That's why they didn't understand. hardly any understanding of it. So in the next chapter, he's going to, for the first time, predict his death barrel and resurrection. And they're not going to get it.

So these qualities that he goes over about the kingdom, like the sermon on the mound and the character, that's giving you insight to God's nature and how we are to approach it. But also, Jay's, how transitional this moment was, because your point is well taken and right spot on. I'm working on my sermon for Sunday, which I'm kind of going backwards from our podcast about the calling of the disciples. And this is something we didn't talk about back when we did it. It's easy to overlook. And I overlooked it when we were talking on the podcast about it. You know, Jesus chose 12 out of his current disciples.

And we didn't make a big point about it. It's just a number. It's just the number he chose. But then we find out later we get to Luke 22. That wasn't just happenstance he chose 12. He chose 12 because there were 12 tribes in Israel. And this was the fulfillment of everything that Israel had been looking forward to was in him because he makes the point to them.

He says, you'll rule over there. There's 12 of you. There'll be 12 thrones. Remember he told them as you rule over? So the idea is they would become the, transitional figures for what Israel had known up into that point into now this recognized kingdom of God. So even little subtle things like that, Jay, is to prove your point, shows you how this whole

thing is about this transition into kingdom. And you're right. No matter what application you make to your life today, it has to start there for it to make any sense. Let's take another. Yeah, it's just like Nicodemus. You know, we all go there to that story. And, you know, we're preaching Jesus today.

and we're like, you've got to be born again. Well, that wasn't his, his point was, you're under a system of law that I'm fulfilling. The seismic shift of what he was telling Nicodemus is everything that you were taught and you learned and has made you a religious leader, I have fulfilled that, and we're going in a different direction. That's right.

of grace and truth. And so I'm just saying to be fair to the text when you study this, you got to keep that in mind that really, you know, even in our day, you see religious groups who read passages like what we're fixed to read, Luke 8, which is very, it's just filled with tons of things that, you know, make the hair stand up on your arm. and they're trying to figure out how they can have this miracle. And they're missing the greater point that the miracles and the signs were pointing to Jesus as the son of God.

Now, you can, you know, get some encouragement from the people that came to him, but it's in humility. It's in weakness. It's in desperation. And that never, never changes. So the moral of the story is not to try to figure out why you hadn't had your miracle. He's like, I'm better than that. What I'm giving you and offering you is better than the means that I'm using to show everyone that I am the son of God. Yeah, that's a great point. And that should be our approach. And we had the exact same discussion last time we were talking

about demonology and demon possession and spiritual warfare because that's the extreme on that side, that everybody sees a demon and everything. You know, well, this is the demon. of this and that and the other. And so you run these extremes when you study this because you have to realize it's just my approach to coming to Christ. How am I going to come to him? Because in the story that we're about to talk about, you're right. In both cases, Gyrus, who was the synagogue ruler and the woman who is cleansed and healed from her bleeding, both came to Jesus in humility. And not knowing what to expect, by the way, either, you know, what was going to happen. And it's like a Hollywood movie, a good one.

And I'll read it. This is Luke 840. When Jesus returned, the crowd welcomed him, for they were all expecting him. Then a man named Jerius, a rule of the synagogue, came a fellow at Jesus' feet, pleading with him to come to his house because his only daughter, which I've noticed, there's a lot of stories and miracles that happen when it's someone's only son or only daughter. which just adds to the weight of the circumstance, don't you think, and the desperate nature. I mean, any of your kids would be powerful.

But if it's your only kid, I mean, it's your only pathway. I also think it's subliminally or subtly, I mean, because it does keep coming up. I've noticed it over and over and over. That Jesus would eventually, you know, God's only son would die for the world. But so she was a girl about 12 and she was dying. As Jesus was on his way, the crowds almost crushed him. And a woman was there who had been subject to bleeding for 12 years. But no one could heal her.

She came up behind him and touched the edge of his cloak and immediately her bleeding stopped. Who touched me, Jesus asked. When they all denied it, Peter said, Master, the people are crowding the impression against you. But Jesus said, someone touched me. And this is a real interesting statement. Yeah. I know that power has gone out from me.

Then the woman, seeing that she could not go unnoticed, came trembling and fell at his feet. In the presence of all the people, she told why she had touched him and how she had been instantly healed. Then he said to her, daughter, your faith has healed you, go in peace. While Jesus was still speaking, someone came from the house of Jerias. The synagogue ruler, your daughter is dead. He said, don't bother the teacher anymore. Hearing this, Jesus said to Jerius, Don't be afraid, just believe, and she will be healed.

When he arrived at the house of Jerius, he did not let anyone go in with him except Peter, John, and James, and the child's father and mother. Meanwhile, all the people were wailing and mourning for her. Stop wailing, Jesus said, she is not dead but asleep. They laughed at him, knowing that, she was dead, but he took her by the hand and said, my child, get up. Her spirit returned, and at once she stood up, then Jesus told them to give her something to eat.

Her parents were astonished, but he ordered them not to tell anyone what had happened. All right, so there's a ton to unpack here. First of all, as you said, it was the only daughter of this synagogue. This is a guy with some pull, you know, in this community. And yet he comes to Jesus. One of the other versions, by the way, the others are Matthew 9 and Mark 8. No, Matthew 9 and Mark 5. Yeah.

Said he fell at his feet and bowed before him. So, I mean, definitely the idea here is one of humility, as you described. And the same with the woman, which was kind of interesting because, you know, Jesus knew. that power came out of him when she, you know, when her bleeding was stopped. And by the way, this was some sort of a woman having a period that just never ended. And what's interesting is, Jason, it was the same amount of years as the girl had been alive. The little girl was 12 years old. This woman had been bleeding for the same amount of time.

So I thought about it. When that baby was born is when her problem started. And I don't know if that's part of the intertwining of this or what. No, that's the Hollywood movie. I mean, you see what happens, you know. It goes to the hospital, you know, and out walks a couple with the baby. They're happy. And then not knowing the woman who walks right beside them,

she just got diagnosed with a problem that no one can cure. You know, and then so later on, 12 years, you tell the story, they're reconnected here. And now you got Jesus taking the girl by. the hand, you know, and the other one, the woman is touching his cloak. I mean, we're talking about drama. Plus, you figured, Jay's, let's take our last break. You figured, days, you could definitely play that drama because there seems to be a race

against the clock from this important man who his daughter is dying and they're trying to get in there versus this woman stopping him and taking away precious time from this kid. So just imagining again in a movie setting, you know, it's, It's high drama. I heard a sermon on this, and the preacher basically said, when Jesus was going, trying to get to this girl who's dying, so this is emergency. And in any, you got to remember, Luke is a medical person.

So from his perspective, you take the most severe cases first. You put them in order in any kind of medical situation. So the preacher was like, so basically Jesus was, what he did here was malpractice. Because he stopped. And one of the other versions, either Matthew 9 or Mark 5, I can't remember. But it says she told him his whole story. Well, just stop, think about that. And I'm not trying to put people in boxes.

But if a woman is fixed to tell you her whole story. story. Get some popcorn. That ain't going to happen in a hurry. You may be there a while. I've been involved in some of the, you know, I mean, just my wife telling me any story. Have you ever seen a woman who would tell you her story over and over and over again? Listen, this little girl, I love her to death, never seen it before, but she showed up Saturday night, I think it was.

but anyway we worked it out she wanted to be able to baptize her in the river so i shared jesus with and we talked about it but i've seen some high strong ladies before but little sheila out of missouri she's got a great husband and uh but i said i said girl i've noticed something about you and she said what's that i said you are you are have a sense of humor and you are a go get it little girl. She was something. Yeah. I didn't know about Sheila.

I thought you were going to say mom or whatever. Sheila went way past your mother as far as energy. Well, there you go. Well, I mean, I'm trying to be funny. She's the most energetic woman I've run up on a long time for fear of God and the love of Jesus Christ. I love it. Now she's the sister. But in reality, I do think that there's some.

some points here that do apply, even though we have kind of looked at it from the big picture about God's timing and because Jesus wasn't in a hurry. And it really speaks to the fact that we don't understand there's a God and we're not him. You're never going to understand, you know, God's timing. You're just not going to understand that because he just is. And so, you know, I had a guy asked me one time. During this time frame, Jay, while you're there, during this time frame, most people were not aware that the Savior of the world was on the premises.

No, that was the whole point of the big picture. They didn't know that. I mean, look at Jaris's point. He's like, my daughter's dying, and you're stopping and listening to this woman's life story. And we have an emergency here. Well, there's people crowd. I mean, it just doesn't. And then she dies.

And you're like, so what I was going to say is there's a principle, I think, that comes out of this also. You know, one, we don't understand God's timing. Oh, what I was going to say before you jumped in was, it's like the person who asked me, well, how does God hear everyone's prayer if they're doing it at the same time? You know, y'all probably been asked that before. Oh, yeah. It's a fair question until you realize that God's eternal. He's not living moment by moment like we are.

And I think this is a good illustration. This story is a good illustration where you would have never been able to convince this, Jarius, that Jesus is messing around, helping somebody else that's not life-threatening. I mean, sure, she's got some problems, and we hate that. But I got a 12-year-old who's dying. The girl is dying. Come on. Let's go.

caught up in all this. You see that little black box right there? Yeah, is this my phone? Pick that up, pick that up. That right there was a valiant attempt still is to be like God. You said, well, how's he going to keep up with all these prayers? And, I mean, you got so many people there coming to many prayer. Just think of that in a way more powerful realm.

I mean, that's what this is supposed to be. We've got to deal about you. You got a device, I don't, but you have a device where you can speak into it, and millions will hear what you had to say. Yeah, that's true. That's a good point, really. But God is so much more sophisticated in that realm. But I do think there's some insights here. One thing I wanted to say, I think a principal, I got this from Keller, but I think he's right.

You see this in these stories that whenever you approach Jesus, it always cost you more than you think, and he's, gives you more than you think. And in both these stories, you really see that. Because the woman, she just tried to just do a drive-by healing kind of thing and grab his cloak. And there's reasons for that because she was an outcast. You know, under the old Jewish law and the ceremonial law, she was not allowed to even worship. And, you know, on the other side, Jarius, he was a synagogue ruler.

You know, when you look at the contrast, she wasn't allowed in there because she was deemed unclean. You may have more specifics on that, Al, but she was an outcast. Yeah. And so that's why she was like, well, the object of her faith was Jesus. But so she's just wanting to touch him because she knows, not that he's going to help her be healed, because one of the other versions accounts says that she had spent every dime she had. on trying to get better, to no avail. Jay says a mighty throng of people out there

and they're thinking in their head, if I can only get to my cell phone, I know somebody will have an answer to my question. All right. Because the computer has all the answers. So to a lot of people, this is, and this becomes, unfortunately, this becomes their God.

Well, right. Because anything you want to know, instant touch you can find out. Only God could do that for thousands of years. Now they've got a fix on him and to them he becomes that thing you're looking at

that becomes your God. It'll have an answer for what you ask. But the problem is it can't really it can't really heal diseases or raise you from the dead. I can tell you that. But people think so. But to Dad's point

I agree and Dad the difference is time. So God operates outside of time to Jason's point. He's omniscient. He knows all things. But think about that. If we could take that black box laid on the table in front of you, and we were to go back in time, we somebody created a time machine, we could go back in time. We took that box with us when you were a young boy living in that house, you know, like it was 1850. If we were to take that box and show you what all it was capable of doing, video from around the world, FaceTime, we could call somebody else,

and you could see them in real time. You would think that we had come from outer space or from heaven itself. That's right. We would seem magical to you. And that's in your lifetime. That would have been 70 years ago. So the difference is time,

and God operates outside of time to Jesus' point. So therefore, of course, he has the capacity for every human being that has ever lived, because from God's perspective, everything we're living through has already happened. Sure. You know, so it just shows you how. That's why you say, well, you know, God couldn't hear the prayers of all the sinners on planet Earth.

What are you talking about it? You've got a little black box yourself there that you can find out what sin is right here. Well, yeah. But I wanted to finish this thought before we go into overtime. So he made her go public, which is why she was trembling. And so it did cost her more than what she wanted. But he also gave her more because he offered more than just a healing. He offered himself in a relationship in a conversation.

The fact that the Son of God is listening to you and no one else would is incredible. And Jarius, you see the same thing. He asked him for more because he was just asking for Jesus to heal her fever. and he got way more out of it. He got her being resurrected from the dead. And it also cost him more because then when Jesus looked at him and said, trust me, after you've delayed this whole process by helping this other woman, and now she's died.

And in that moment, you know he's filled with bitterness and rage and grief. and then here's the same guy who you trust in just to say, well, trust me now? So he's asking more than he thought that would be asked. And I think it's a really good principle. That's really good. And we are out of time. So we'll pick this discussion up in the overtime and probably some of the next podcast. If you want to follow us over, blazedtv.com slash unashamed is where you go to get our bonus content.

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