Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 727 | Phil Halts His Sermon Mid-Sentence to Help a Sick Man & Ancient Blood Remedies

Episode Date: August 2, 2023

Phil takes a break during the middle of his sermon to help an ailing man in the crowd. Jase gives context to some scriptural passages by detailing the dreadful remedies ancient physicians used for bleeding problems. Phil tells the story of his great-grandson Teddy’s birth miracle. The guys continue their discussion of two of Jesus’ miracles from Luke 8, and Jase supposes that to Jesus, the words “healing” and “salvation” are one and the same.  In this episode: Luke 8, verses 40-56; Hebrews 11, verse 6; Hebrews 12, verse 2 — Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? So welcome back to Unashame. I'm still down here at my southern lair. You know, what's interesting, Jason, when you, in my case, I've always lived in West Monroe, worked for the church most of my life. So I've never really been anywhere else except for a trip or something. And since we bought property down here, one of the interesting thing for the last two or three years is meeting my new neighbors and kind of building new relationships, which is interesting because, you know, when it comes to your neighborhood, in our case, it's all family back home. In this case, these are people you don't know at all. And so, you know,

there's always an opportunity spiritually, but also just to be a good neighbor. So the house where we're at now, my next door neighbor, they're from Ohio. It's a couple. They've been down here about, I think, almost three to four years. And the guy, Jeff, is great because he's retired. So he stays here all the time and he looks out for my place. You know, it's always good to have a neighbor that kind of looks out for you because we're not down here a lot. And so he'll text me and he's back and forth. Something happens. You know, he's always on top of it. And so I got to talking to him just about stuff about our houses. But then I noticed I never saw his wife out much. And so he told me one day, we're standing out in the yard, he told me her story.

And she had, uh, she had had back surgery a few years ago. And, um, apparently something went wrong. And she wound up being paralyzed out of the back surgery, which is terrible, of course. And just, you know, literally changed their lives in a moment. And so now she's paralyzed from the waist down. And so that's why I didn't see her that much is because she can't get out and about. You know, she got a wheelchair and all these things. So we went over and visited her, Lisa and I, we wanted to meet her and really sweet, nice lady, believer.

And so we talked a little bit about spiritual stuff. And she's got to set up there in her house, you know, with her bed and everything. But she's been sick here lately. And I'd been kind of, you know, I knew she was kind of having some issues. The ambulance had to come get her a time or two in the last few weeks. And so I just sent a note to Jeff and said, hey, we're praying for, you know, your wife and just, you know, let us know if we can do anything. And finally one night he came over and he says, she's asked that y'all come pray over her. And we were like, we're ready, you know.

And so we went in, stood around her bed and prayed because she's been having these issues. And it made me think a lot about where we're talking about in these texts in Luke chapter 8 because sometimes there's nothing else people can do. And she's been to all the doctors. She's in a situation physically that can't be changed. you know, something happened to her, and now she has to face this for the rest of her life. And there's a feeling of desperation, even as a believer, that you go through from time to time. And the other night, she was at that place.

She was on some new meds. It was making her real weepy. And, you know, when we left, she's talked about what a comfort it was to her to have people that would lift her up to the Almighty. And I just thought about it, you know, how many people are out there if you didn't have something bigger than your to try to go to in moments like this, what would you do? And, or, you know, what if you didn't have anybody that would respond like that and say, hey, we'd love to come pray for you. In fact, you know, we'll do, we'll do it every can to help your life be better.

And so, I don't know, I just, I thought about that in relationship to this text we're talking about in Luke chapter 8, because you have these desperate people, one with a dying daughter, the other one with a disease that no one can deal with. And we talked about in overtime what that cost this woman, which is basically everything to have particular malady. So I just thought it was relevant, you know. She had spent all the money she had. And I looked up just back then how you tried to cure these diseases. And, you know, it was quite the read.

But like one of them was a concoction because they thought, okay, this woman, you know, she's having this problem. a reproductive problem where she's bleeding 24-7, 365 days a year. And so their thought process was, well, let's give her a bowl of, you know, one of the things was the equivalent to like, you know, a piece of a rubber tire, that kind of material with alum and different other things. they were like trying to basically stop the flow by ingesting all these particles that couldn't be digested. And I thought, this was your medical plan to try to put something down the hatch that, I mean, it just, no, I don't have to be a doctor to know that that's not going to work. but back then it was so primitive and you can just imagine how that probably made things worse

they looked at they cut into my on your backbone each one of them what you call them vertebrae your vertebrae your vertebrae board a hole and put cement in two of them and look right now there is no

I started out when they did that crawling from here to the bathroom, crawling, barely making it. But now it's like it never happened. You've come a long way. Modern science. Come a long way, long way. Yeah. But in this case, to Al's point, you know, the other story, actually this girl was the benefit. Her coming back from the day was just a benefit of her.

father's faith. You just think about that. You're talking about the power of prayer. I mean, this is a window into that right here. You know, his faith, because it took incredible faith because most people, I made reference to this in the last overtime, you know, no apologies to Tom Cruise, but it's a mission impossible that he's looking for healing. And then on the way, Jesus is distracted by healing someone.

else with a less life-threatening disorder, which probably makes him mad for approaching Jesus in the first place, and then now she's dead. Well, at that point, every human being says it's over. It's no longer possible. For me, you would go into being angry with Jesus. If you just hurried up, this wouldn't have happened. Me, he's bitter. But Jesus gets more than what he thought that he had to offer by saying,

trust me, don't fear, don't be afraid. He's going to be okay. One of the guys yesterday morning raised his hand, and I walked back there, and this was during my lesson. He just kind of raised his hand. I walked back there, and he had been diagnosed with cancer of some kind. So I just stopped what we were doing, offered a prayer that the Almighty would

relieve him of that ailment and we just stopped what we were doing, pray, and I went back to my lesson. So you never know who's hurting, what's going on, you know? But if they tell you, I mean, the thing, the one that's doing all this we're reading about, let's just go to him a minute.

You said, they said, yeah, the cancer, yeah, okay, I said, let's, let's, let's, I said, you got more now praying for you. When did I baptize you? He said, by a year ago, I said, well, you're back. I said, let's. Well, this is one of the things we get to do. That's right.

But the point of the story is, because in both these cases. Most preachers would just be keep going on with a lesson, but they wouldn't stop it and walk back there into the audience where you got a guy who just found out. He'd been baptized for a year. He'd been following Jesus. But he's got cancer all of a sudden. And I would say let's act on that right now.

We'll pray to the world. It's an option. Yeah, I think you should. Yeah. But I'm saying even if he's not. In the same vein as this interruption, Dad, it's a good point. Because this woman comes along and the interruption is worth it because it's still a life. And to your point, you know, most people can only think in one track.

You were thinking in two. That's exactly what Jesus was doing here. Most preachers are what you want me to do. Stop the lesson in one. walk out there and pray for them, I said, yeah. Sure. Yeah, that's a good idea. That's what I was. But even in that, my point is it does give us a window into prayer and access, and we know.

But the bigger picture is always more important. I mean, the fact is, we get sick, we're going to die, and it's okay. I mean, if he's raising a girl from the dead, if he has that kind of power, well, he only validated that when he raised himself from the dead through the power of the Holy Spirit. And so that is the window into who he is. That's why we put our faith and trust in him. But look, Jay, you're right. But he brings up, think about this.

Jesus introduces, we talked about this in the last podcast, being a period of time where everything he's doing is entering in a new way of thinking into this new kingdom process. When he says the words, she is not dead, but asleep, they laughed. because they look, these people are professional whalers. They've been around a lot of dead people. And they knew the girl was dead. But that's not what he was talking about. He wasn't saying that she's,

a lot of people are trying to make the point where she really wasn't dead. She was just asleep and Jesus woke her up because he's supernatural. No. It says her spirit returned. She was dead. What he was doing was he was introducing a new concept that Paul's going to pick up on later and changing the mindset of being dead. to being asleep in Jesus.

And Paul's going to talk about this a lot in his New Testament writings because Jesus introduces that thought right here. He was like, for those who trust in me, you're not really dead. You're just asleep, meaning that you will be awakened. Peter and Paul discussed that. Well, it's how he chose to illustrate it because he said that in Mark's version. He used the Aramaic saying. So if you read that, it says Talatha Coombe, that's Mark 541,

and said, which means little girl wake up or get up. And so that's why people say that. But when the spirit leaves and now returns, oh, she was dead. But it is going to be like that. And he took her by the hand, I think, is also, you know, it gives you a window into, you just think about when you're a kid. Well, when I was a kid, if I was holding my mom or dad's hand, you pretty well think everything's going to be all right,

which didn't necessarily mean that was true. But from the kid's perspective, it is. And I do think it's Jesus's way of showing you that he is the ultimate parent leading back to the father with us, that, you know, he's in his death, brilliant resurrection, and the pouring out of the spirit, it's going to enable us to be sons of God. You know, sons and daughters, but sons as in, you know, Galatians 4. So what would have, you know, I said this was almost like a Hollywood movie when you start off with the girl coming from the hospital.

One of them is happy. The parents are happy. And then you have this other woman who just diagnosed. And it ends up with her having this moment with Jesus where she's healed. and then him stopping what he's doing and having a listening to our whole story having this relationship with her which is what it's picturing and then here the dad comes in in this special moment with his chosen disciples to for them to learn that it's not over when you think it's over this is the ultimate mission impossible that has now become possible and even then they still didn't get it but he gives on this picture of him grabbing this girl by the hand saying, wake up, which is really what we all long for at the final resurrection. That's it.

So it's God revealing himself in Jesus, giving you these windows of what God is like, and the basis of it is love. This is, you can't have a more loving relationship than a kid. and his parents, you know, his father or his mother, which is why we started off this whole thought with, you know, this movie Sound of Freedom where in our world you have evil people abusing children for their weird, warped, you know, fantasies. And so you come all the way around and you read something like this.

And what a complete total different picture where, the God of the universe has revealed himself and giving you this promise in this window that we all are God's children. And that was one of the themes of that movie was they had a song that came on several times during the movie, The Sound of Freedom, that God's children are not for sale. And I loved it. But they were acknowledging who we really are. And in this moment you see God, he's not going to leave us abandoning. you know, him coming back from the dead gives us that hope that he's going to take us all by the hand and say,

wake up. Let's go. And let's take our first break, yeah. It also shows you that we talked about this, that his Jesus' touch, because this in a way, you could add a couple more untouchables into Jesus' litany of healings that we've seen in the book of Luke because of what was afflicting. We had a girl that was dead, and we know, you know, you couldn't talk. touch her dead body without being unclean unless you were God in flesh and healed her body. And so, you know, it's just, again, it's that situation where he shows that his touch is something

unique and he's establishing that sort of in this idea of the new kingdom. I thought it was interesting, Jace, because the Greek word, when the woman touches Jesus, touches the hem of his garment or the, you know, the tassel or whatever it was that she touched. The word there for touch is Greek word hapto, which is the same word that Luke uses throughout every time someone is healed. And so it was interesting because even in that, the Greek word is the same that she touched, not sure what was going to happen, but received healing. That's the same word that's used throughout for every time.

that Jesus touches somebody. So I do like the idea that no matter what the context for the story is, it keeps coming back to that same thing. And I guess, Jay's if we were making a movie, I would want to put my Dallas Jenkins hat on and say that this woman became this girl's mentor. They maybe meet after this has happened and realized they were both healed on the same day and then have this lifelong relationship.

I mean, if you were going to make a movie, let's just go ahead and make it something that's really cool. Yes, we don't know what happens. There's definitely movie-like material, and that's why I said, if you were going to give a movie a title, Mission Impossible, this would qualify. Yeah. The, whatever the latest Mission Impossible movie, I would say is not applicable.

That's just Mission Possible. But hey, I'm not. I'll probably go see it because my wife wants to see it, But, you know. Well, and I like all those movies. So let me ask you this. This is another little interesting thing that happens before he leave the story. He takes, you mentioned this in the last podcast, is that he clears everybody out.

So he privatizes the exact opposite. So I want to talk about that at two levels. One is, why do you think that he forces the woman to, basically confess that she did it because first she didn't say anything nobody did at first and he's like oh somebody touched me because i felt the power to leave me and then she she realizes she's been healed and comes up and falls his feet so why do you think he did that why do you think he forced her because she was obviously trying to do it under the radar and we explained some of the reasons why we thought that was this is much protection for him and her mind but why do you think

he did that why did he call her out i think at least her faith, her faith was enough for Jesus. She believed if I just touch him, he'll, he'll... Yeah, but he made her have a conversation. He made her acknowledge, Al's questions, why did she, why did he force her to acknowledge what had happened? And I think it's one to show all the people around that Jesus would stop. and heal somebody that no one else would care about.

I mean, I think that's number one, you know, from her perspective. But two, that's why I said. I think it's more that he wanted her to know. It's just not about healing you. It's about us being together. I'm after more than just giving you temporary relief in life. as bad as it has been in your life, this is not the answer. I'm the ultimate answer.

It's more than you just having your faith in me in the moment. This is an eternal faith that we're going to be together. Yeah, I think that's my opinion of it is that. It's the same reason why we go public in spiritual healing to this day is because it removes all that from us. In other words, this woman had been in the shadows, unable to interact, and she was willing to stay there. I mean, she had been living that way for 12 years. So even healed, I don't know what pathway she would have taken to having a public life, but it would have been slow because she had lived this way for so long.

And I think Jesus was saying, no, wait, hold on. From this day forward, you're going to be able to live out loud and on purpose. You're going to not have to hide in the shadows anymore. you've been cleansed, you've been healed. And so I think it's the same reason we go public with our faith in Jesus to this very day is we don't want to keep it a secret. We want to put it out there to your second point. Now, the second thing on why he then made the other one private is a little more

harder to understand. But my personal opinion than you can give yours is that the people who didn't believe, you know, these mourners, these professionals, I mean, they were laughing. I mean, who in their right mind is laughing in this context? Anyway, the girl's a great point. The girl's dead. And so I think these people had such hard hearts that if he would allow them to witness this, because most people think, well, this doesn't make sense because why wouldn't Jesus prove himself to them

and let them see it so that would change their mind? but their hearts were so hard that they weren't, even if they saw a miracle, it wouldn't matter. And so I think he realized that if they were in there, they were just going to come up with some story on how it was all a lie and then make it their ambition to smear him. And it might reveal too early who he is, you know, put the target on his back. And it might have thwarted the process of him going to the cross and being crucified. That's just my theory. That could be true. Or another thought could be that, hey, you laugh at Jesus, then you get out of the room.

If you want to go sit at the kid table because we got bigger stuff to do here. I want to ask you all about this Peter, James, and John being invited in, which is interesting because there's two other times that I could find in the Gospels that there's just these three. And it's really interesting because all three were pretty cool, you know, almost like watershed moments. One is here whenever this girl is brought back from the dead. The other one is the Transfiguration, which is basically Jesus, Moses, and Elijah having a little conversation looking with bright whites, you know, with this, you know, going on. So the same three again. And then the third time is when Jesus goes into the Garden of Gassimony on the morning of his death and has these prayers. And they're there as well for that, which is probably at his most human when he's asking God, if anything can be done, if this cup can be taken.

And in that moment, I guess we could say it was his weakest moment as a human being. It didn't sin, but certainly he was in anguish. And those three again were present. So do you make anything of that? I mean, is that just, you know, him wanting them to see these moments or is there something more to that? Because these are, you know, three key figures in the New Testament once we get to the Book of Acts and beyond. I mean, honestly, I think it's more just the growth process. They weren't getting this.

I mean, because greater things than this. They did run out on him. are going to happen. I mean, he's fixed to feed the 5,000, and Peter's going to confess him as the Christ. They're going to see the transfiguration. This is all in Luke 9. There's another healing of a boy with the evil spirit,

and then all of a sudden you get to 946, and guess what happens? An argument broke out about which one of them would be the greatest in the kingdom of heaven. Wait, what? what part of this are you not getting? So I do think that, you know, he knew, like we said, I mean, Jesus knew the plan. He, you know, he did become a man and was limited in some ways just because he's trapped in a human body. But he knew the plan.

He's trusting the father. He's now being led by the spirit. and they just had to go through this growth process, but it's not unlike all of us. You just think about how far you've come in your knowledge of Jesus as you grow in Him. And, you know, the way it should go is the more you're in Christ on a daily basis, the less you're thinking about you.

I mean, you're slowly disappearing here as your faith journey continues. And so that's bringing in the humility. But it is a process. I mean, I always use that example of the acre and, you know, the Lord plants and look, here comes the tree and we're born again. I mean, it's the same concept that there was, there had to be a growth process. That's what I think. So, I mean, look at what they did post-resurrection, those three guys. That's right.

It's pretty amazing. I mean, Peter preached the first sermon, you know, James, he wrote his book. He was the first martyr. Yeah, and John never was, but he was like the only one that actually died of natural causes. Yeah. Yeah. So it's really those three lives, you just look at what they contributed. And I do think it was part of these special moments that they had together because God, you know, we all have talents and gifts that he's given us.

But the whole point was we have the Holy Spirit and the fruit of that. he just knew that that we all have the same thing in common as far as the Holy Spirit and living the fruits. But some people had these special talents and gifts that he was going to use in a more public way. And I think those three guys qualify. Well, thank you, right. Let's take another break. Yeah, he definitely, it wasn't accidental that he wanted them to see some of these moments. It was interesting that it was a glorification moment in the transfiguration, a weak moment.

in the Garden of Gassimite. And in this moment, it was an answer to faith, which is really interesting when other people were saying to them. I want to mention one more thing before we leave it, because I missed this before. In verse 48, when he tells the woman, daughter, your faith has healed you, the Greek word is Sozo, S-O-Z-O,

which means not only healing but salvation. In other words, your faith has saved you, which is interesting. And when he tells, in verse, Verse 50, he tells Daris, don't be afraid, just believe, and she will be sozo. He uses the same word. So it's interesting, again, from Jesus' perspective of this kingdom idea, is that healing and salvation are interchangeable with him, you know, the word itself, which, again, is

interesting because we wouldn't normally think about it. But when you have the power to heal physically, but also to forgive sins and offer people's salvation. He's making that same point again because he puts faith into this context. One is the faith of the woman because she was so desperate that she touched him. The second one, as you mentioned, Jace, was the faith of this father. It wasn't even the girl. You know, she's just, she's laying there dying. But her father is the one that had the faith to go and present her case.

Which might have led, though, to people being baptized for the dead. You remember when Paul brought that up? The 15th of the 15 was a controversial issue. But you got to remember the big picture, if you go to Hebrews 11, you can list a lot of people. Because I think that's where we do. This gets confusing because it's hard to save people when he hadn't died yet. And so when you go to Hebrews 11, which is the faith chapter, this is where we started these last two podcasts. It's impossible without faith.

without faith that's impossible to please God. So when you come to God, you got to believe it exists and reward you, and you think, well, what is faith, is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we don't see. But what I keep shouting about is that it really is the object of your faith, which is ultimately Jesus. So Hebrews 12 says the author and perfector of your faith. He is the object of your, let us fix something.

our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfector of our faith. And I've told this illustration before, but I'll say it in a different way. You know, if three people are being chased by a bear and they get to a cliff and they look down and they see icy water, you know, well, and all three of them jump. But the first one that jumped said, I don't think isn't going to work. but he looks back at the bear and he's doubting but he does jump he makes it

the next guy's like this looks I know I'm gonna be all right you know he makes it the other guy he's in the middle somewhere and my point is

he lives too it didn't matter what they were thinking on the way down they all jumped and they all happened to live but what degree on what they thought

their assurance level was really had no bearing on the situation it was what they had to jump the bear you have zero chance of making against a bear so i mean it's the same illustration you make a hundred different ways but that's why you see in there you of little faith and different references to that but these were the same people that were discussing that jesus was saying to that that eventually became the ultimate warriors for jesus because at some point they put their faith in Jesus, even though it was real bumpy all the way. They had doubts.

Well, it's just like our lives. You have bad days and good days, bad months, good months, bad years, good years. The bottom line is, once you get your eyes off Jesus, there's where the problems come in. you know it's a growing thing that's that's hard to pin down and nail down i'm just trying to kind of give you an idea of it but i think it's important no i agree uh let's take another break you know it's interesting jays because the last verse there in 56 it says her parents were astonished well first of i said jesus told him to give her something to eat

which i thought was interesting i mean it was like you know she's been through a lot get the girl sandwich. You know, it's just, I thought it was interesting that Jesus was concerned enough that he knew she'd be hungry. I don't know how long she'd been sick. Well, Lazarus did the same thing, and so did Jesus, by the way. Right, right. And so I think it simply means that, I mean, dead people don't eat meals. So I think it's just a validation. But I also think it's another thing that when Jesus did it, it was more of a picture of I'm not doing this to stay alive any longer. You just can't, it is me.

I mean, just think about Christianity is the only thing in the world that produces an actual afterlife that involves you, a version of yourself. Everything else is either you're absorbed into God, which is really the same as ceasing to exist. You know, this belief that we all, It's like a drop in the wall. I've read these things, you know, but it's like you're like a drop of water, and then when you die, you're dropped into the ocean of energy, you know, of God.

Well, you're no longer you're, you're, you're, you're the ocean, you know. But with what Jesus. Or that you become energy, energy that is absorbed into the universe, you know, same idea. It's like, you're not you anymore. You're just part of the energy. Hollywood take, you know, it's this life energy thing that absorbed. We become, you know, and you're liable to die a thousand times and you're coming back. Even the reincarnation version, you know, you're something else.

And then you're something else and something. And eventually you're absorbed into the big energy. Well, think about none of those things are saying it's you coming back. And in this case, not only is it you coming back, it's a much improved version. version. It's an it's an imperishable version, an immortal version that you can still eat fish if you want to. So I just think that that makes way more sense, especially since this is based on history evidence and just the reading just in here the character of Jesus that really is the ultimate evidence that there is a God and Jesus came to earth. It's more in you just read. You just

reading his character in all these situations that becomes undeniable to me, which is going back to the faith. These people were watching him and just think if you saw these things happening. There was a lot of people laughing and saying, oh, this guy's a Joe, how's he doing this? He's like a magician, but that character is just hard to get around. I mean, you just think how many people have dissected this. and tried to get around Jesus. You don't ever see him challenging his character.

Yeah, and I like that. And the Greek word of verse 56, her parents were astonished. I looked up this word because the astonished is not a big enough word in English for the Greek concept of how they reacted. And who wouldn't, right? I mean, your 12-year-old daughter, your only daughter, who was dead, is now alive. And so the idea is this sort of celebratory, almost out of control reaction, which is what you would expect. And it reminded me of a story.

I've told it before on the podcast. It's been a long time of there was a couple at our church. And they had a little baby girl. And she had cancer that they had found. And it was affecting her sight. And so they were up at St. Jude dealing with that. And while they were there, they had done another MRI and found this mass on her brain. And so their assumption was because she had had this ocular cancer that it had spread to her brain.

And so it was sad. It was a bad deal. You know, this couple they're there. They're up in Memphis, so they're not there in West Monroe. And so Lisa and I wanted to encourage them. And they were having to stay there. And even though St. Jude is a wonderful organization that helps, they still need a little money. So we got some money together from the church.

And we just went up to visit them. take them out to eat, you know, because they're just every day in the hospital. And so her mom was there as well watching the little baby girl. And so we go in, you know, to get them. We go to their hotel room and we prayed, you know, with them. And we were going to take them out to eat just to kind of get out of the setting for a bit. And before we could walk out the door, the doctor calls and says that the mass is, they just did another series of tests.

And it was gone. It wasn't there. They had no explanation. It could have been a shadow on the x-ray, blah, blah, blah. You know how it goes. But basically she was okay because they had dealt with her, the ocular cancer. And all of a sudden, for a moment, we were coming to try to lift up their spirits. Pandemonium broke out in that hotel room.

I mean, there's crying and hugging and grabbing us. And, of course, you know, we just happened to come as envoys of we want to pray with you. And now of a sudden we were seen as like, we did, we did. something, which we didn't. We just came to pray. But so that night, it became a celebration. It was my point. And we had no idea until they got that call. It's just, it's something that's always stuck into mine and Lisa's mind. One is that you always go to be with people. But when you can be there in a moment where you get good news, it makes it even better. And this little baby girl is now 23 or four years old. So that's how long ago that was. But see, I would contend that the greater gift that was

shown was the love, which is a fruit of the spirit. So y'all showed love, which is the character that you get from God. It's the greater miracle in that you say, well, she's healed. Yes, but she's still going to struggle. But when you gave her the character of Jesus, a fruit of the spirit, that is something that we all give as Spirit-filled. people, which is, I keep going back to that First Corinthians. Because it's like if you can do all these things and you have not love, you're a resounding

gone. You're nothing. And I do think, you know, God answers prayers today when it comes to physical things, and it is exciting. But I'm saying at the root of what Jesus's message is, he's getting people to buy into who he is as the son of God. He's going to show the greatest love act ever known to man. And then he's going to give you the same spirit that caused that death on the cross.

Guaranteeing what is to come. It's guaranteeing. But then you have the greatest gift that you can give anybody, which is the love of Jesus, which is way more sustainable in this life and in the next. That's my whole point. That's where we get off, which is a great illustration you made. It is exciting. This was exciting to some, but some even didn't believe it.

But, and you say some, the disciples didn't even believe this till post-resurrection. Only then did they really get it, and they had the power to do the miracles. I mean, Judas was doing miracles just like everybody else, million miles away from the Lord. He didn't get the love aspect of it. And so I think that's at the root of this, and what we've got to understand as we move on. So let's take another break. Now, I agree, Jason.

To your point, the establishment of the relationship was the most important thing because we were there, whether the little baby made it or didn't make it, we were going to be there for the long term with this family because we loved them. And we knew that having awaited either way. What's happened is as a result of getting the astonishing news that the baby was going to be fine is that we've still. establish the relationship. I still get, at least I still get pictures of this now young woman all these years later from this couple because they've never forgotten those moments of someone being there for them. And so I agree with you. The stories they were reading about here, the woman, the girl, the synagogue ruler and his wife, those relationships with Jesus were probably never forgotten. I mean, they probably went into his post-resurrection and into the

first century church, I would guess. Well, that's why I said this is more complex than it seems, because what about Jaris's daughter? Well, she died. What happened? I mean, it should have been a different attitude, and we've all had this happen. I mean, I've been at kids in those same facilities that died,

and we were, you know, Willie and I one time, we were the last person to see this little kid, and, you know, it was very painful. but I know from reading stories like this, that doesn't mean it's over. And that's what you're conveying in this act of love, you know, to the parents. Because I believe that this is a picture that this kid who's innocent, you know, a little kid dying of cancer, this kid's coming back from the dead. And so you're conveying that through love and patience and, you know, all the fruits of the spirit that you have.

on loan from God in these moments. And so whether we have these temporary celebrations where kids are raised up, you know, on this earth from illnesses that nobody knows or they're not, I just know by reading these, this intersection of these two stories, that if you're in Jesus, it's okay. He has the power, long-term, big picture for, for this to be victorious. Yeah.

Phyllis, the doctors told her about that boy that her son, the lawman, I call him. Y'all's cousins. Nephew for us. Yeah, nephew. They said, gave them a horrible thing. They said, this baby's got the brain damage. I mean, the best thing to do is probably abort, you know. And they tell them they said, oh, no.

Phyllis and them said, we're all going to pray. for her. So we prayed for the child. The child was born. And contrary to what all of them had said, every one of them, they said, there's nothing wrong with his brains at all. He's fine. Right now he's, but I mean, they were getting ready, wanting to abort him, the medical profession. Which is why we don't, which is why we don't do that. That's right. We leave room for God, God to work. The child's fine. Child. He's a good. He's acutious. kid I've ever seen, to be honest with it. I mean, he's amazing.

You should have read the report that we got about what they wanted to do about them. Yeah. Well, the bottom line is the principle here is you can't hurry Jesus. And that's the underlying theme in this. He was on his way to help a dying girl. He got distracted in a good way. He helped somebody else, which is completely understandable, you know, to Jesus. but not to Jerius.

He's like, what are we doing here? And then she dies, his daughter, thinking, and it's no different than what happened to Mary and Martha and Lazarus. You remember, they're like, well, if you'd have been here, you know, he wouldn't have died. Well, and so that's twice that Jesus, when you start questioning God's timing, which we know nothing about. I mean, the practical application here is he's in control. And we're not.

He's seeing everything simultaneously. Going back to what you said about faith. Sure of what you hope for, certain of what you can't see. Yeah, and even though you don't realize it, I mean, there's a trust that Jesus is asking us to put in him that is a supernatural. Yeah. You know, you're leaning on a supernatural being who's way bigger than you. And so you see that even in Peter's writing when you, you're, you're leaning on a supernatural being. when, you know, he talked about when would Jesus come back?

And in Second Peter 3, 8, he said, don't forget this one thing with the Lord a day is like a thousand years and a thousand years or like a day. Or you could read Hebrews 13, 8, Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever. Well, that's kind of how it's related to time. I mean, he's viewing everything simultaneously, beginning, middle, and end. And so even though it may seem very difficult for us to wrap our head around, the bottom line is Jesus deserves our trust based on all these stories we're reading and his character being revealed that he at heart has what's best for every individual in the world and in the history of the world and every person there will be. And then it makes this statement. And it says, the Lord is not slow in keeping his promise as some understanding slowness, which is almost in a way saying, we don't understand all of how he views time.

Can the computer get us out of here or maybe we're ought to go with Jesus? Yeah. And so then he ended up saying he is patient with everyone, not wanting anyone to perish. Yep. And that's the bottom line. I mean, you have to trust that and not get caught up in what we see in time. And what we think is unfair or unjust. Good point.

People like Jarius rose up despite the end looking impossible and put his, he just went ahead and went with it. And it's really a goal to where our faith should be. But it's just very difficult to do in the short term, you know, because we want it and we want it now and we get mad when we don't get it and it don't work out like it like it should and so it gets us it gets us preoccupied with things that we shouldn't be preoccupied with faith calls for a lot of patience jays lots of patience patience and and even believing sometimes in the impossible and i think that is the power of this story is it's such a microcosm of the bigger faith issue issue and trusting and as dad said, have patients. I mean, all those elements are here in the story. And another one, we didn't really touch on was that one person is seemingly unknown and doesn't matter.

You know, and I say that in air quotes because we know to Christ, every person matters. But this woman compared to a synagogue ruler, well-known, a community, his only daughter, if we were going to prioritize, as you mentioned earlier days in the last podcast, about triage and doctoring, even just status, we would have put this girl in their situation ahead of this woman, but Jesus doesn't do that. I mean, I think it's another microcosm that every single person matters to God and to Christ. You know, and another thing, it's, I think we struggle with being flawed and trying to help other people and it makes me think you know in paul's closing remarks to the corinthians you know he said

he had confronted them you know about their sin and they confronted him's demanding proof this is second corinthians 133 that christ was speaking through him because they were like well who are you because they were bringing up his past or you know i'm just inferring that but they're like who are you to confront us about our sin look at you and And then he goes on to say in the second part of verse three, he is not weak in dealing with you, speaking of Christ, but is powerful among you. But then watch what he says, for to be sure he was crucified in weakness, yet he lives by God's power. Likewise, we are weak in him, yet by God's power, we will live with him to serve you.

And my only point is the reason that this woman's faith and Jerus' faith was appealing to Jesus was because of the lack of pride. They had humbled themselves and the pride was absent. And when that happens in your life and that happens when you confront other people in sin, you're then relying on God's power, not yours. Because you've just thrown out all the bitterness and rage and anger and judgmental spirit. and you said, you know what, I'm weak. Christ became weak so that our, you know, his power could rest on me.

I'm going to be humble. I'm going to be desperate and I'm going to come at you acknowledging my own sin, but I'm going to have that humble spirit instead of coming across like I'm better than you. And that was his argument in confronting people because that really is the big thing. People don't want to be confronted. Good point. And you have to do it from a place of humility. All right, Jay's, good thoughts.

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