Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 730 | Phil & Jase Went to See a Chuck Norris Movie – but Saw a Better Fight in the Next Row!

Episode Date: August 7, 2023

The guys reminisce about a time when they got a front-row seat to a fight in a movie theater – and it was even better than the movie they came to see! Jase has to admit that he got it wrong on a movie franchise he’s publicly criticized for years, and the guys reveal their admiration of Chuck Norris. Jase elaborates on the double meaning of the word “exodus” and how it relates to Jesus’ death and resurrection. The guys discuss the lives of Elijah and Moses as inspiration for the text in Luke 9.  In this episode: Luke 9, verses 18-27; 2 Kings 1 — Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? Welcome back to Unashamed podcast. I'm still down here at the Southern Lair. We're still trying to find Zach. He's somewhere in America, Jay. Zach is, uh, he was a MA. We did hear from his assistant that, you know, he was not going to be here today. So I said we're getting further removed from Zach. I can only hear from his assistant. I don't know where the- Yeah, we've gone. about a month and we haven't seen Zach. So his contribution to this podcast was kind of like a Roman candle, you know, it came out and there was a few explosions and then you just looked up and it was just silence. I'm just wondering if he quit preaching because I figured he was like me.

He was using our discussion as his preaching fuel for his, you know, he's rotating like I do. So maybe he's quit preaching and now he has no need for us anymore. I don't know. There may be time for an intervention now, a podcast intervention. Come back, Zach. We need a campaign. Come back from the dead. We need some resurrection.

Well, he gets a lot of grief from our listeners. So I hope one of our listeners hasn't seen him an ugly email. Maybe you scared him off. So those of you that love Zach, you need to start to come back Zach's campaign. So I miss his insight because he's got. good stuff he's he's a smart guy or he might have just ran he he might have just ran out of uh words that we had never heard of so he's busy studying dictionaries he may be reading the scrabble dictionary as we speak i'm getting him that for christmas by the way when that comes around

we'll get him some thesaurus and a yeah or maybe just a scrabble game yeah big words so what's going on in your life oh i got some breaking news so you know what's funny is a couple of podcasts as a go, I talked about Hollywood being on strike, yawn. And then I talked about seeing that movie, The Sound of Freedom, which I still encourage people to be a part of that. You'll thank me later, even though it's a difficult movie to watch. Well, you know, it's funny, Jay, since you did that and talked about that on here, I've been noticing that, of course, I've seen a couple of interviews with Jim Cavizal,

who's the actor that played this man. But then Tim, I can't remember his last name of this, the actual guy. I've seen him doing several interviews and podcasts. And so it's really like it's doing so well that there's a ton of media, you know, especially Christian and, you know, right with me. Well, this story just needs to be told. And there's enough passages about children and trying to protect them in the Bible. Bible and them even we're talking about Jesus going around preaching the kingdom and part of that

message was introducing that the greatest was children and protecting them and having their attitude and so even that verse in Matthew 18 was quoted in that movie about not causing the millstone children yep it was yeah but so anyway what I was going to say though is I did something this week because we've done a lot of podcasts our time in the last couple weeks so i'm not sure when this will be released because i got a lot of travel time with the treasure hunting show coming up so we're we're getting ahead but i actually saw my second movie in less than a week last night which is not something i've done in at least a decade i mean where i actually got in a vehicle with my wife and drove to the theater.

And what's funny about last night, we went and saw Mission Impossible, which I had left a cliffhanger about that. And I have to go ahead and confess something. Because the biggest problem I had with that title of the movie is I said it was built on the lie because they say it's Mission Impossible. They play the music.

And then they go out and they do it. So I have to confess that I was wrong because they actually didn't complete the mission. Because it's a part one. Spoiler alert. Well, I didn't know it was a part one. Spoiler or spoiler alert. So then I thought, okay. So actually the title.

Actually, it was mission impossible. It fit because at this point, now the only bad thing is, is you realize at some point, if they complete this mission, then it would not have been impossible. So it's a possibility that is still alive. But at this technical aspect of where I'm at in seeing the movie, it is a mission that is impossible.

They've got a strike going on. Again, it may have already been settled by the time this releases, but at the moment, there's a strike going on. So if they never get back to film it again, because some of them are gloom and the industry's over. There's going to be no more movies, blah, blah, blah.

The AI is taken over. So if that happens, it could literally be mission impossible. What if it ended with that movie? But I'm going to give you several, I'm going to give you several spoiler alerts. And it's not what you think. But the whole idea I had from using that movie as illustration is to bring out your God being the God of impossible. We view impossible. I mean, I thought about just our last podcast when we talked about,

remember the guy having doubts, and he was like, help me with my unbelief. And Jesus responded, you know, with all things, God is possible. So nothing is impossible. And there's several verses that. We read the Hebrews 11 aspect. You can't please God without faith. But what I did notice is this movie had several references.

to biblical things, you know, the key thing of the movie, which I won't tell you what it is, because I don't want to ruin the movie for you, is in the shape of what? A cross. And they actually, some character made a line and called it the crucifix. I forgot the exact phrase because I was at the theater, so I couldn't rewind it, but I would have if I'd have it had watched it at home. They called it a crucifix something. And I thought, interesting. And then there was also, there were several quotes of as it is written,

there was an entity, an unknown, powerful entity that was able to be everywhere at one time, yet not revealing anything that humans could wrap their head around. I'm like, where are they getting all these ideas? You will notice it now that I'm bringing it up. Over and over, there's this spiritual war, and literally spiritual war, that's the enemy, the ultimate entity, which in this case was on the dark side. But it was still using all the kinds.

concepts of what this Bible reveals to make a movie. And the reason I'm bringing this up is because that's always the most interesting things in life. What the Bible discusses, it is the most interesting thing and questions that human beings have in life. That's why movies that do well take those same issues and they may manipulate the concepts, but they make it part of the movie. It was incredible. No, but you bring up a great point because, let's face it, in any of these franchise movies like James Bond or in this case, Mission Impossible,

any of these ones where you kind of have like, you know, these are the good guys and we're always having the bad guys. You really remember the film by how sinister the bad guy was. Like, you know, the takedown had to be really impressive. And it really does go back then to the ultimate enemy that we face. It's like in this series in the Mission Impossible series, which I've enjoyed. But for guys my age, because you don't even probably know this, Jace, but Mission Impossible was a television show back in the 60s and early 70s. Do you remember it, Dad?

Yeah. So the guy, the main guy, the hunt in the television show was actually Matt Dillon, dad's favorite Western James Arnest. It was his brother. I think his name was Peter Arnest, was the main guy in Mission Impossible on the television show. But I loved it even way back then. So I think that's what founded the series.

But my point was on the third movie has always been my favorite in the series. And the reason why I think is because the bad guy, which was the Phillips Seymour Hoffman, I think is his name. And he's not a very scary dude most time. He's kind of a weird, goofy actor. I think he's passed away now. So I don't want to talk bad about him. But he was so sinister because he was very realistic in that movie.

And like they, you know, he had, Ethan Honey got married secretly. And then they, they kidnapped the wife in this, in the third one. And so her life is on the line. And this guy has her. And so it was like a race against time. You know, it really was a, it turned out to be mission possible. But it was, I think what made it so memorable to me is the enemy. So to your point, I think that's what makes a movie great, but especially in that series as well.

Well, my point is they, even though true Christianity is frowned upon, for the most part, from the Hollywood, they just can't make great movies without spiritual concepts or a manipulation of those. Life after death. I mean, it was called Mission Impossible, Dead Reckoning. What does that sound like? there's a reckoning. Yeah. What are we going on?

The dead reckoning. It sounds like something you would read in the Bible. Yeah. Right or wrong. You know? Yeah. This is what we're talking about. So, yeah.

So I got to know one thing, Jay. So you can tell me this. Was there is a scene in the movie? Because I've never seen a movie that Tom Cruise was in where he's running as fast as he possibly can. Multiple, there's multiple with the hands coming up. And look, you would hear me thinking, thinking I thought the movie was great. It was just me to me.

I missy loved it. She's into that more than me. You know, I get more a kick out of finding their spiritual principles that they're trying to convey on making it the movie matter. But now, look, the special effects and stunts and all that stuff was. You're not going to find anything better in the movie world. I mean, all that was off the charts good. But just overall, you know, it was just, eh. What I found funny is that most of the people in the theater were people that I knew.

It was like we all planned to go see the movie. I mean, I really felt like after it was over, someone could have led worship. And we could have had a worship. service. So the row in front of me was Sadie and her husband, John Luke, and his wife. And right behind me was Curly Don Foster, who, you know, he worked with us down here on the crawfish farms and all that. I mean, he's been a, how long have we known him? I mean, and, uh, and right behind them, Phil was the Greek, when Phil checks the Greek when he studied in his Bible. And it's not what you think. It's not the Greek lexicon. There's a member of our church who is from Greece.

And her and her husband were in the row behind. And a lot of Mia's friends were on another row. I mean, there was so many, and there weren't a lot of people in the theater. There were very few people. Yeah, that we didn't know. The only negative thing was there was a couple, two seats down from my wife that we didn't know. And about 30 minutes into the movie, you know, Missy leaned over and she's like, this guy's driving me crazy. And it was something that I wasn't noticing,

but once she drew attention to it, I mean, there was a guy, he had two bad, he had a bag of popcorn, and he had a bag of something else. And it was like, if you were trying to make the most noise possible, like every popcorn kernel, just,

and I, so when I, then I noticed it. Well, I'm like, well, thank you for drawing an intention of that. Because now I can't even hear the movie. And it went on. And the popcorn bags are so big. It would take an entire movie to get to the bottom of it. Well, it became so noticeable because the rattling of the bag and I'd look down at him and he would be looking in the bag and like shaking the bag.

And it was like he was looking for. something in there that was not popcorn. And I thought, and maybe it was the, we found, we figured out that he was looking for the little kernels that didn't pop. But when he found one, it was like fingernails on a chalkboard, because then it was like he just enjoyed the crack. It could have been, Jason, hang on, let's take a break. Jason could have been, so I saw this guy doing this one time, maybe, I don't know, you

may not notice it, but there's, there's apparently, there's a thing about people buying chocolate. They usually bring it in them. They smuggle it in because they don't want to pay the high prices for the M&M. But they put chocolate candies like M&Ms in their popcorn. Well, we have, when we buy the popcorn, we buy the little crunch, the chocolate crunch. That's like, has to be with. So y'all do that. Oh, I did.

I ate the popcorn and then eat two or three. I was wondering maybe if this guy was doing that and he was looking for the chocolate. I think he had a system. But finally, when the action scenes would hit, they were so loud that you couldn't hear it. So then you would forget about it. But then there were a lot of few moments in the movie that were just dead silence. And all you could hear was just that hush, hush, hush, hush. So it led to such an interesting conversation on the way home, which really wasn't pleasant.

because I was like, what was this girl thinking? I mean, and Missy's like, you're going too far down the rabbit hole. But I'm like, but she has made a decision to this is who she's with. And you got, you know, you dance with the person who brought you. And she was like, well, what she should have said is stop doing that because that's what I would have done. Because I was like, what if I would have been doing that? She said, I would have leaned over and said, hey, do this more quietly. And so then really I was just like, she didn't seem phased about it.

But I don't know. It was an interesting conversation. But overall, it was middle of the road. So, I mean, I think it's worth going just to notice the spiritual parallels. And overall, it's a pretty clean movie for Hollywood. I mean, there might have been a handful of bad words, but very few. The last movie I went to down here. we had it wasn't that many in the theater either.

In fact, they'd already put it in the small one. But there were a couple of ladies like two rows above us. And one of them was like mom. She's a commentator, which that, you know, so I just,

but unlike you Jay's like the, when it started and I thought, okay, we're going to see if she stops because she's commenting all the way through the things leading up the like the previews. And I told Lisa, I said if she keeps us going during the movie, we're moving because I'm not going to sit here and listen to what she thinks about the movie

for the whole movie and sure enough she started it in so we just got up and moved down about four rows I just you know that's another thing it's just so annoying like you're talking loud enough it's quiet in there so if you're talking during the movie especially about the movie you're ruining it for everybody else so don't do it's our society though I mean there was you know the when we saw the sound of freedom I saw a guy get removed from the movie theater. Like right when the movie started, and he wasn't happy about it.

But now the way it is when you order seats, you can order it. Well, they give you assigned seats. You go sit in your seat. And he was sitting in someone else's seat. And it was a big burly guy. It looked like a truck driver, you know, just had a big cowboy hat on.

And so this woman came. and they're like, I mean, I didn't see how I'm putting the pieces together, because when he got loud, everyone noticed, you know. And so they basically, somebody came up and said, this is not your seat. And he just disagreed. So there's now arguments within the movie house where people are arguing about where they sit. Well, the people who run the movie house gave that seat to,

someone else. The person who had the seat, they ordered a seat, they're standing behind. They're like, that's my seat and they had the visual proof, a ticket. And this guy said, that's the craziest thing. This is America. He went America. It's a free country. I'll pay my money. I want to sit anywhere I want to. That was the argument. Yeah. And so. But they've changed the policy. Well, they changed the policy, but in his defense, I wasn't aware the policy been changed either. Missy orders the tickets, I show up. And I'm like, where are we going to sit? And she's leading the way because we have a signed seat, kind of like an airplane, you know.

So even though I respected the guy saying it's a free country and I love America, he was dead wrong. You're in someone else's seat. So get up and shows him humility. But it just didn't end well. And he left the movie. He left the, last time I saw, he was hollering, headed out the door. Everybody that worked for the theater. was because, you know, nobody could take this guy.

So they just went in mass once he got ugly. There was, you know, all available personnel come because the next call was going to be to the police. Were there any empty seats that were there? There was plenty of them. Oh, he was the problem. You know, he just wanted to sit there and he didn't understand that someone else had the seat. But it made me think of all these, when you think about spiritual problems and the worst thing you battle in life.

It goes back to Luke 6. When someone's being prideful and they're hard-hearted or calloused or they've made up their mind, that is the place you don't want to be in life. Because he wouldn't listen. They were trying to explain it to him, but he was so angry in the moment and prideful that he would not listen. The truth would have set him free, but he wouldn't listen to the truth. So, Dad, I don't know if you remember this or not.

And I remember the year, and the only reason I remember the year is because Lisa was pregnant with Anna, and she's 37. So it was 37 years ago. So it had been 1985 back when you used to go to the movies. You and Mom and Lisa and I went to a movie together. And the movie was, I still remember the movie. It was Delta Force with Chuck Norris and Lee Marvin. Oh, I was there. I remember what happened.

Yes. Were you there two days? Oh, I was there. Oh, no, it was one of the most frightening moments. My head was on a swivel. And you can explain the story, and you'll know why. It was actually two movies simultaneously with action, but one of them was on the screen and one of them was behind us.

So what was funny was is that y'all didn't sit. Lisa and I, for some reason, didn't sit with y'all. Y'all sit down lower than us. So behind y'all, but in front of us, we were literally a row behind the action in the in the theater. And so it's, you know, Delta Force, they're going in. They're trying to get our people out of Iraq, I mean, or wherever they were at the Iran. And there's the shoot him up and Lee Marvin and Chuck Nars. Well, something was said, apparently, by a couple of guys coming into the theater. There was something that had happened previous to what then happened, because I don't

know what started it. But about right at the end of the movie, this guy comes up and there's a guy sitting right in front of us. And he was kind of mouty. I'll say that because you just kind of hear him say stuff. He just slugs him right in the jaw, but it's kind of a sucker punch because the guy didn't see it coming. It was kind of he just round housed him in the face. And all of a sudden, then a fight breaks out. And it's literally in the row right in front of us, but it's a few rows behind you guys. And so I'm trying to get Lisa, she's big pregnant like her belly's smoking out. And so I'm trying to get her. back and so we're literally crawling overseas because we got a big fight that broke out right in

front of us and the girlfriends are fighting the guys are watching the movie and at some point we stood up because it was a fight I mean meat oh it was it was a people hollering like because then their wives or whatever or girlfriends were screaming and I remember looking at the movie because I wanted to see how it ended but I look back there and eventually I went to the actual physical real fight. It was way better watching than what was on that movie screen because it was just a fracas. And there's nothing. You could say, well, how come you couldn't do anything?

I couldn't do it. We were trout. I couldn't even got out. Did anybody ever find out the reason they did this? I don't, I mean, Al was speculating. I thought. Yeah, I was speculating. I thought it was the same thing I was describing at the first of this.

I figured that guy had been so rude during the movie that somebody just had enough. But Al may be right. There might have been something said. I think something happened prior to them coming in. There seemed like there was some bad blood already. But there's definitely the guy just from his attitude and me listening to some of the things he said. I thought, okay, well, this is what happens. See, he crossed the wrong guy.

But I just remember something you said that after it was over, I was telling you all about because y'all were like what happened it was right in front of y'all and dad said there was fighting in front of us and fight behind us he said i've never seen anything like you were just like mesmerized i always thought i said always thought when i explained that and told that story because i've told it many times too is i said i got two words for you chuck norris you know because he became such a phenomenon with people in a playful way with memes and and all these things about who he is. And, I mean, it's like he just inspires you to do crazy things. And sometimes they're stupid.

So when I met him, Jace, I told him that story, a brief version, because I didn't have long to talk to him. But I told him, I said, Chuck, we were watching one of your movies one time. So you remember Delta Force? He said, oh, yeah, it's one of my favorites. I said, well, in the theater, a big fight broke out. And we attributed it to you to your prowess. that you're so bad that even people fight in the theater when you're on the screen.

Yeah, exactly. We're in Luke 9, and I do have a, I'm going to jump ahead because I thought about that when I saw that movie. And then I studied for this podcast after the movie, which may not have been a good idea. I probably should have done that in reverse, you know. But because then everything becomes a movie, you know, because really the greatest, movie ever constructed, the greatest story, is in this Bible. I mean, you could make movies for the rest of your life just about things that, you know, especially from the Old Testament, that are like, wow.

And one of the things, one of the stories I read last night, I guess I had forgotten 2nd Kings 1 or maybe I never read it, you know, in an intentional way. but I was like, you're talking about a movie. But, and I'll tell you how this came about, because, you know, we're at a point in Luke, and I don't know if you agree with this, but I read this somewhere, and now that I've kind of read backwards and forwards,

we're in Luke chapter 9, but it seems like to me that Luke's investigative account from a doctor's perspective, and just trying to get the facts out there, you know, starting from Luke 1 through 4. You know, he based this on eyewitnesses and ran a careful investigation of everything that had happened. It seems like Luke 1 through 8, the first eight chapters, or 8 and a half, I mean, when you get to 9, it's like the pinnacle of who Jesus is. Who he claims to be, you know, yes, how he got here, the virgin birth, but he is claiming to be the son of God.

And it kind of hits the pinnacle in where we're at today, which is in the middle of nine, which is Peter's famous confession of Christ. So just to prove my point, when you read where we're at in 918, and you just remember, this is right on. the heels of him sending out the 12 and feeding the 5,000. And we went through this whole podcast about here's a revolution, but it's not what you think. It's done by people who seem to be inadequate. And this seems to be based on the fact of you humbling yourself and losing your life to find God's power from that humble state because in actuality,

That is going to be Jesus's road to showing everyone he's the king of kings by actually becoming weak and humbling himself and being beaten, persecuted, and all the way to a cross and then triumph. It's kind of a two-prong. They present the, whatever you, the size, the greatness, the, the scariest when it comes to dying, death. Yeah. Death. You have death right here, but in this instance, death means life. All right. Well, we're going to get to that in the next paragraph about the transfigure.

Because I think- That's pretty weird. You look at some life and death, you say, well, this involves both of them. Well, right. Without the death, there would be no life, and you're like, hmm. Well, to your point, you know, I brought up that word. I don't know if you remember this, which I was going to save this for the transfiguration, but we're here now.

You remember out when we were studying in 2nd Peter 1, and Peter, referenced because he was at the end of his life on earth. And he referenced what was fixing to happen to him with the Greek word Exodus, which was, it said departure. And I made a point that day, yeah, months ago in that podcast, that there's only three places that word is used, the Greek word, and one of them, which is in Second Peter I, is also used in the Transfiguration in Luke 9 when it says Jesus was standing there with Moses and Elijah.

And in verse 91, it said they had a conversation about his departure, Jesus's departure, which is that same word Exodus. Yeah. And I made the point back then that the term Exodus and this Greek word, it has a, a double meaning like when you define it and you go look into the do your own investigation and you'll see that what i'm saying it is true when you think of an exodus and you go back to exodus the book it was a liberating you're going from one place to another you know our greek i mean our english words we have trouble putting that greek word into english so they just have departure. Well, you think, well, it's a one-way street. No, departure and Exodus,

that's a two-way street. You're being liberated from something to something. And so when you look at death like that and you experience what they're discussing here, I do think it is in the context of them discussing the liberation from death itself. It's an arrival to really what the kingdom is all about. You're going from being in bondage to royalty. That him going out and declaring what the kingdom represents really culminates in the middle of Luke 9 because you have a confession by Peter, and then you have this instance that is a preview of the death and the arrival of people that are a part of this kingdom. And you say, well, how do you know that?

Because there's a conversation happening with a guy on the earth with two people that had been dead or missing for hundreds of years. Now, the reason I said are missing, because both of those guys, Moses and Elijah, had strange circumstances revolving around their deaths. One of them, Elijah, he didn't die. He just, last time somebody saw him, he was headed. out of space without a spaceship. Yeah. That was the story. With Moses, remember there was a big argument that developed in the spiritual world between the evil one and other good angels about where Moses was buried because when you go back and read the Exodus account, it says that God buried him.

Yeah. And, well, the evil one, who we know from Hebrews 2, had always, that was his weapon. He was a murder from the beginning, but also. It's kind of like a two-pronged approach, and one, evil wants to claim the body, and then good wins. Well, I think the evil one's being a murder, though, he's like, if you, because it's just like John the Baptist, if you're a threat, well, he'd just kill you. And then he's got proof of that. But there's all these rumors about, is there possible for him to come back from him? the dead. No, but you're exactly right. There were suspicious, whether they died or not, because some

people that maybe live there, they're dead, but they didn't die and weren't buried the normal way from anybody else. And then it is ironic that they show up here in this sort of kingdom picture of glorification, which is what it is, you know, which is powerful. Well, even Herod, who we went through that whole podcast, he was obviously not a believer. But he was thinking, is this John the Baptist come back from the dead? Now granted, it was from a guilty conscience, but there was something about him, his character, that he liked, and he feared him. It was working on him to think, what if he is from God?

And so that's how these stories get developed, because even him, he didn't even believe in the resurrection or God, and he's thinking, is this possibly? Is Jesus possibly John the Baptist coming back from the dead? It looks like the sermon on the mount that someone a higher up than anybody else wrote down in kind of picture form up on top of this mountain. And here's some characters coming out of the Old Testament that had not been seen. And the camera people are saying, get a shot. Get this.

Get this. Yeah. Well, you didn't want it to get this. Yeah. So back to where we were. It's a picture. Yeah. So in Luke 9, which is what I was going to say, I think the first eight and a half chapters are revealing.

I mean, the point is Jesus as the son of God. This is, the king is here. He's sharing about the kingdom. But the plan hasn't been completely. finished here. He's just prepared. So they're going around saying repent because the son of God is here. And then it seems to the next nine chapters, you know, Luke 9 through 18, it's more the emphasis on what does this mean then, that, you know, as people follow him. You know, he gives them this ability to go out. Then the costs come up of following Jesus and the results. I mean, you know,

that's just my opinion on me reading Luke 1 through 18. I mean, Jesus says the Son of God is the theme, but it seems... Matthew Mark and Luke cover it, I mean, very carefully. John softens up a little bit on the death of Jesus. The other ones... Well, John just picks it up later. He doesn't do... He doesn't do what the other three does to give the whole narrative.

He just picks it up at the end. That's right. But so, Jace, you're right. And I think another marker that you're on to it is that you notice as we get to this point in Luke's narrative that he's putting the disciples to the test. You know, first he sends them out, you know, on their own. Because this is all like they're going to be doing, you know, from our perspective, you know, it seems like a lot of time. But when we're Jesus in real time, he's about to go to Jerusalem. He's fixing to be on his way.

in the later in this chapter. So it's happening in real time. So he's got to get these guys ready for what's coming. And then you add this leading question, who do you say that I am? That's another test, I think, in terms of their development. So I think you're right. I think he's basically, now he's saying, this thing is fixing to get serious. Yep.

In these next few chapters. And it is. And it is awesome because it gives you some insight later on, 2,000 years. later as believers on how this works how we can follow him what are the implications i do think it is windows of how the disciples struggle and then we see the same thing i wanted to just point out kind of going back to our movie movie theme on where the state of my mind was last night so when i read this where peter's confession is in luke eight 18 says once when jesus was praying and private and his were with him, he asked them, who do the crowd say I am? So they replied, some say

John the Baptist, others Elijah, and still others, and still others that one of the prophets of long ago has come back to life. But what about you? He said, who do you say? Peter answered the Christ of God or the Messiah of God. And so before we continue, though, I think, just looking at this from the overview of like what I said from the first eight and a half chapters, the next eight and a half through, you know, all the way to 18. Yep. Well, then you have the transfiguration. Well, one of this question that Jesus, you know, I asked, you know, their reply when they said,

who to the crowd say I am? Well, they brought up, like we said with Herod, that, well, this may be John the Baptist, come back or you know Elijah comes up and you see that in the transfiguration I think part of that story which we'll get into in depth but it's like a singling out of here's here's two great prophets right Moses and Elijah and then they leave it when you look at the details of the story as they're as they're going away you know then the disciples kind of kind of come to and there's just jesus there and he's radiating and in that moment it's really an answer to that question and that answer on the crowd say oh is just is he just another prophet just think about it that's why i said

this is the culminating moment the transfiguration of course you know he also predicts his death-bound resurrection in between here that's the part i'm skisking But I'm saying when you look at the picture, to your point, Phil, he's saying, no, this is not just a prophet. He is illuminating, radiating glory and power. This is bigger than just another prophet. This is almost scary for Peter and him. Right. disciples were really having difficulty wrapping their heads around it.

And the reason I can prove that to you, because you would think that transfiguration would have been enough for them to say, oh, it will never following. But it just didn't. They still went back to this default setting on, he's just another prophet. Now, I don't know what they thought. They were sleepy, it says, and maybe they thought it was a dream or they couldn't wrap their head around it. But you remember Peter was talking nonsense.

Because I want to show you an illustration in 51. Hang on, Jason. Before we read that, let's take our last word. Of chapter 9 and 51, and we'll get to it, but I just want to show you that this obscure paragraph, which I think leads up to what I was talking about, would make a great movie from 2nd Kings 1. But it says, as the time approach for him to be taken up to heaven, Jesus resolutely set out for Jerusalem. To your point now, that's why I wanted to read this. this was the moment that this becomes real. He predicts the gospel. Peter declares him as the son of God.

The transfiguration happens, which I believe was a preparation for Jesus to embrace the other side, the arrival part of death. Because why are you having a meeting with two guys that have already gone through this? Well, that would help you as a man now, as God in human form say,

okay, because this is, is a rough road even for Jesus. I mean, we see him crying out at the end. So I think that's why this happened. He's looking at two people who have arrived in view of death. And he had a conversation with him. I'd feel a lot better about my death if I talked to two people that had already died right before it happened.

So don't discount that. So it says that in 51. Then 52, and he sent messengers on. ahead who went into a Samaritan village to get things ready for him, but the people there did not welcome him because he was heading for Jerusalem. Now watch what happens. When the disciples, James and John, saw this, they asked, Lord, do you want us to call fire down from heaven to destroy them? Sons of thunder. Record scratch question. Jesus turned and rebuked them

and they went to another village. Now, here's why I'm bringing this up. If you go back to where we started in verse 18 when he said, who the crowd said I am, they replied, some say John the Baptist, others say Elijah. The transfiguration happens, the prediction of the gospel. And then you see James and John didn't get it.

Because now, why would you, if Jesus is transfiguring he's the son of God, where in this, where in this rational thinking, are you guessing that Jesus needs your permission for to call down fireballs from, wouldn't that be his call really? If he is the son of God, wouldn't he be the fireball thrower expert? You know, if that was, but here's my point. You say, where did they get that from? They get it because they had doubt.

to maybe he was in the Spirit Elijah. Because I went in red, I said, is there anywhere? I mean, my first thought was Sodom and Gamara. Fireballs came down from heaven. But also in Second Kings, one, there's a story in the Bible that would be a fantastic movie. Missy didn't agree. She was like, we could never make that, you know, it wasn't. I told her my idea and she didn't agree.

But Second Kings won. And I'll, you can read the story if you're listening. it's the whole first chapter and you kind of, when you get to the end, I had to go back and read it like a couple times just to think. I was looking at it from like, how would I make this a movie? But it basically goes on. Yeah, I had the, I had the production hat on, but I wanted to just give you a little sampling of it. So in verse three, an angel of the Lord said to Elijah, go up and meet the messengers. No, I have to read the first two verses. Okay. So go to verse one. After Ahab's death, Mohab rebel against Israel.

Now, Isaiah had fallen through the lattice of the upper room in Samaria and injured himself. So this is the opening scene. We got a king that fell through the roof and he injured himself. So he sent the messengers saying, go and consult bowels of. the God of Ekron to see if I will recover from this injury. So here's where this thing starts. Well, the problem is Elijah is here, and he's a prophet of God, obviously, and he's dressed, which what I thought was funny, one of these verses in here, it says he was dressed in fur

and had a leather belt, a lot like John the Baptist. Verse 8, yeah. And so, yeah, in verse 8, okay. So this king doesn't consult God first. He goes out to a false God and tries to, because he's injured, and he wants to know if he's going to be okay. So he's trying to consult a medium, a prophet, a godlike spirit. Well, that doesn't work.

And so Elijah gets involved by, you know, they saw him on the road as they're going to this false God. and they, and Elijah says, look, he's not going to make it. He's going to die in that bed. So they go back and report this, and so he's obviously offended. So he wants to talk to Elijah more about it. So he sent 50 soldiers and a captain up on the mountain to talk to this guy wearing a fur. But you got to remember, he's a prophet of God.

And so Elijah comes out of his little cave there and says, look, if God is my God and I'm a prophet of God, send fireballs from heaven. And guess what happened? Fire balls from heaven. 51 casualties from fireballs. So this old boy who's in the bed hurt,

well, he sends 50 more. Another captain. And look, they strongly, who you think you are. Well, guess what? Same message. Fire, if I'm, if God is on my side,

they were threatening him every time fireballs. Now we're up to 102 casualties of war. This guy, the king, who is showing no remorse for sending these guys into their death, sends 50 more.

Another captain. He's going to run out of men. He's going to run out of men at some point, but he doesn't care because what do natural earthly kings do? They think only of themselves. It's all about their power. But this third captain

was smart. he went up there to Elijah's cave and he hit his knees and said have mercy on us he made us come up here you are who you are God is with you will you please come down there and have a conversation with a so Moses is fixed to do the same speech and an angel of the Lord intervened and said go down there and talk to him and don't fear and so he does and so Elijah goes and so Elijah goes and has a, has a conversation with the king in his bed. And he, guess what his message was, you're going to die here. You better get ready.

Now I'm going to go back to the mountain. See you. That's it. The end. You're like, what in the world is that all about? Well, I think it's about a lot. Which team are you on? God's team?

Or are you consulting with earthly authority? and mediums to get your answers? I mean, there's a lot of good quality storylines in here. But God's team wins. Humility is a positive thing. But the reason I brought it up is because I know that's where these disciples, they had heard this, is this the Spirit of Elijah? And they're still thinking fireballs on people.

They haven't understood completely the message of Jesus becoming broken and weak as a path to victory. Put a little fear in their heart. It's a preview to why Jesus announced that he was going to have to die. But they're still not getting it. Because he does it three times in the next two chapters. He keeps going back to, I'm going to have to die. Because they're thinking, fireballs.

I mean, it's a very unusual story. And now we looked at the origin of where they got it from. And all the rest of the guys. Gospels, the whole Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, he repeats that over and over and over. Want you to introduce Matthew chapter 16, Mark about 9 or 10 in that. Well, that's why. Because really in life, look, would it be more fun in life to be a disciple of Jesus and people cross you and you just say, fireballs?

Well, you know, that's every human being, the movie spirit in us, we would like to have that kind of power. and say, don't mess with me. Because that's just our earthly kingdom mindset. But in the end, that was not Jesus. You know who the disciples, James and John, their favorite singer, was Pitbull Fireball. All right, we're out of time. We'll talk a little bit more about this. Well, this is to be continued.

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