Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 74 | Jase's Gun Advice, What the Coronavirus Reminds Us, and Guest Jeremy Camp

Episode Date: April 10, 2020

Jase can't stop raving about "I Still Believe," the movie based on the life of Christian singer Jeremy Camp, so he's pretty pumped to have Jeremy on today's podcast. Jase shares his #1 piece of shooting advice. And the guys talk about what the coronavirus reminds us, whether or not our bodies go to heaven, looking forward to the resurrection, and the link between Peter Pan and the Bible. See episodes of "Unashamed with Phil Robertson": https://bit.ly/2J4XsiX   See clips from Phil's TV show "In the Woods with Phil": https://bit.ly/2PNM6k1   To take a FREE 30 Day Trial of Phil's TV show and the rest of BlazeTV: https://www.BlazeTV.com/Phil Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? Did you ever see that movie? I still believe I told you. The one with Jeremy Camp? Yes. No. How?

I gave you one job. I said, take the initiative. Did you ever see it? Did you get, they get. But here's a, in my defense, I don't know about dad's defense, in my defense, I had, I had grandkids show up in my house. was badden them. It wasn't movie night.

I don't see many movies. I was so sleepy. These are terrible excuses. You know. But I'm going to watch it. Pathetic. Well, here's what happened. You know, I sent Jeremy, I watched the movie.

I was blown away. And everybody I've heard talk about it on social media or whatever. It said what you said. I love it. You're not forgiven. You should have watched the movie. So look, because here's what I'm going to tell you. You're not my movie boss.

I have exciting news. Well, you know, last time we did podcast. because I sent him a text saying, hey man, I'll watch a movie, blown away, let's talk. Well, he big shot at me. You know, I guess now that they have a movie about him, he's turned into a big deal. And so he calls me like way later.

I mean, he missed the pot because I wanted him to be on our podcast here. You just call him. I mean, look, this guy, me and him have zero in common other than we, our current wives are way out of our, our range and we love Jesus. Everything else, I mean, this guy is kind of a nerdy, yuppie, high octane. That sounds like me.

He sounds like a great guy. Phil, you've met him. I took him, honey. You don't? I don't remember. Look, let me tell you this. Show me a picture of the dude, and I think I can say, do I remember him? Oh, he's on the internet.

Look, dude, so look, he finally called him back, and he's going to call us. He's got a head on his shoulders if he made a movie that had that profound of impact on society, including you. Well, he's kind of famous. He has the Holy Spirit of God. Oh, well, that explains it all. And he's famous for being a worship leader, like a singer. Well, and he's a very good, he tells spiritual stories. But you were saying you're far apart as far.

far as your upbringing. Well, right. But you're saying, as a brother, that's why the kingdom of God is so powerful, Jace. We run up on people and what's that? Who's that? I mean, I absolutely love this guy. A lot of different types of people in the kitchen. I have a picture.

I have a picture of this guy. I didn't realize I had this. He hunted the dog with us. That's a hunting picture? Yeah. Oh. So I'll put that up on the thing. Yeah, we'll get that to Connor.

But anyway, he's going to call. and I told him to call me during this time session and we'll because look how do you know he's not big time me again well he might and if he does I will I will throw him under the bus they have a few snipes now look very seldom you say well why are you recommending this guy's movies or movie this guy loves Jesus this story is incredible and I love this guy so I'm just saying he's using he's using a snipe hunt what is well that's I know. Times are hard.

I hate to confess this. He started talking about us hunting, and I was like, oh, I'd forgotten to you. I was like, do I take you hunting? Because we've been together many times. He looks so thrilled here, doesn't he? He does. Well, he's on two snipe, of course. There's a lot of moving parts and a lot of things happening during duck season,

people coming and going. We do take a lot of things. I want to warn you something. I want to warn you about something. He's currently living in California and not the rural part. You know, we've been to North Carolina, California. It's awesome. So he might officially be a yuppie.

I'm not sure. He's from California. I went to Modesto, California one time and gave a speech on the city square in Modesto. They had hay bales, and I climbed the hay bales, and they had kind of like a podium out of hay. And it's one of the few times, shocker of shocks, that when I was in Modesto, California, it was like coming home. Wow.

I thought, I said, you know what? I said, this is a cool bunch. Yeah. So all the people out of Modesto. Same thing. I went there to duck hunts. Yeah, we duck hunted and all that. But that's been.

Okay. Hey, here he is. 15 years ago. All right. Here he is. I'm going to put him on speaker. Jeremy? Put him under the mic.

Hey, we're going to, I'm going to try to put you under this mic right here. This is high tech. Jeremy Camp. Phil said he, his first. response was yep i remember him when he hunted with us do you really no i'm kidding he said i don't i usually don't forget movie moguls but i mean in this case jeremy son i just didn't say to who i know i remember i'm right when i first uh came to home with you guys i remember you and sire phil were kind of like who's this kind of yuppie musician guy so they weren't

bending over backwards to make you feel comfortable i guess I love it, actually. But Jason is really touting your movie. I haven't seen it yet, but I'll get around to it. Jeremy, tell us how, because I wanted you. I said, why don't you call in on the show? Because I want our viewers, especially since we're going through the coronavirus and that you can't actually go to a movie theater now.

Right. When was the movie released? Friday? Yes, it was released on Friday, the 13th of March. Okay. And the pandemic was pronounced. two days before that. Say, hey, we have a global pandemic.

So it was quite a difficult release time for sure. Well, yeah. So I want, we, we, we out. Yeah. It was number one, the number one movie in America on Friday night. Oh, really? I tried to tell y'all, well, these two lame guys I'm here with, I gave them orders to go watch the movie. I said, because it's powerful.

It's spirit-filled. And I know these people. I know these people this is about, but they gave a bunch of lame excuses. But I guarantee you they'll watch it. now my problem is if i don't have a kid helping me i don't know how to find it and dad doesn't even know if his tv will show it i've never even on a cell phone or looked at a computer there jeremy so you know i'm kind of out of the loop my man you have a tv though he has a tv and he's been watching the news a lot so he came in today borderline angry but we've gotten him

past that we walked him off the ledge because he's been watching too much news i'll get dan to line it up on the computer to then I'll watch it. Okay, that's fair enough. Well, Jeremy, tell us kind of in a very, because I don't want you to really, you know, tell the end of the movie or anything. We want people to watch it.

And I told you, my two daughters, my adopted Nicaraguan daughter and Mia, who's 16 now, they were blown away. I mean, it impacted them. I feel like it was a life-altering moment. But just kind of tell us in a quick version, kind of what led to you being?

and having a movie that's awesome. Yeah, so, you know, bad out of that, that's awesome, thank you. You know, there's a lot of blood, sweat and tears in this, you know,

for two years that went into it. And I'd written a book called I Still Believe, sharing my testimony, you know, years ago. And the Irwin brothers, who did it, I can only imagine,

they contacted me and just said, hey, we've read your book and we just finished a movie called I can only imagine with Mercy Me. Do you think that,

you'd be interested in doing a movie on your life? And at that point, point, of course, I kind of went through the process before with somebody else and it didn't work out and it felt like it wasn't the right timing. And then we met, I started hanging out, and they, their hearts are gold. I mean, we sat down and they literally just wept with me as I shared my story. And they walked out of there. And what I love is they said this, because they interviewed me and then they interviewed my wife. And I said, you know what sold us on doing the story?

It's talking to your wife. Hey, well, look, don't take this personally. That's what sold me on you. Because, hey, look, we met on a golf course. I think you were playing by yourself on a golf course at an event that we did together, right? Do I have that right? And somebody said, that's Jeremy Count. Of course, I think.

Yeah, he said, who's that? I said, who's that? And then I text my wife and said, have you ever heard of this guy called Jeremy Camp? And she went, duh, yes. She thought I was kidding. At that time in my life, I wasn't up on my contemporary Christian music, which I am now. We talked about that. Oh, yeah.

I had missed out on that for years. So I got a question. Jeremy, this is Al, by the way. Hi, I'm doing. Good. So why were you playing by, were you doing social distancing back then? Why were you playing by yourself? I never figured it out.

Because you sound like a loner now. Kind of sad to me. So I'm trying to figure this out. Well, we team. Do you remember, Jeremy? I mean, then we teamed up. I was like, why don't you just play with us? I think I was actually playing with one other person.

Oh, okay. Everyone felt sorry for me because Jace was there, and they were like, Jace is going to show you how to play golf, and then I kind of schooled them. You know what? I bet he doesn't remember that, Jase. You know what?

I bet he doesn't remember that. I think you weren't that good. I don't remember specifically, but I just, I don't know. It stood out as some people sing and some people play golf. Some people make duck calls. Some people made duck calls. I wasn't great either.

But look, we've known each other for years. I think we met because you sang that night and I spoke. And you did, but I say you sang. You sang that night and when you started talking, I remember leaning over and whoever I was with said, no, I like this dude. Because I could tell you had a heart for Jesus. And I was pumping you up pretty big here because I,

said we have literally nothing outside of that our wives are away we out kicked our coverage and we both love Jesus but you know what that's enough yeah exactly amen well my wife has been such a massive just support and all this too and she told me one time because people keep asking her you know I'll kind of share the story you know briefly you know the it's about me meeting my wife Melissa who we had she had cancer we went into the marriage knowing she had cancer and I don't want to give it away back. Yeah, don't tell us too much, but it's a tough one. And bring some clean acts when you're watching this. Yeah. And so, you know, three and a half months into our marriage, she wouldn't be with Jesus. And you battle through cancer. And it was, you know, the whole film is just showing

just how we met and that kind of that difficult up and down of going through the cancer and then the grief afterwards. But in God's redemptions, the whole thing really is in the story of God's redemption and hope and, you know, his faithfulness in the midst of hard times. And so So, you know, people ask my wife, how do you deal with, my wife's name's Adrian, how do you deal with watching a story about your husband and another woman? You know, and even though, yeah, you, she went to be to Jesus and how do you do that? She goes, you know what? She goes, it's not about me. It's not about Jeremy and it's not about Melissa.

It's about Jesus. And so if this story is going to impact someone's life for Christ, why would I even care about my preferences or my insecurities when I know it's going to impact the kingdom of God? And so that's what her heart behind this whole thing has been. And it's been, you know, it's been warfare these past two years of, like, production and stuff, a lot of just ups and downs and tears. And so I think it was difficult when it came on the, you know, the theaters because it comes out. It was the number two movie in America, the whole weekend right under Onward, the Pixar movie. And it was doing really well. Then it got shut down.

And then all of a sudden I'm like, how to kind of repent? Because I was just complaining, saying, God, what are doing here? And he's like, do not trust me? And then a couple weeks later, it's on video on demand on anybody at home that's stuck right now can watch it. And I feel like people can grab hold of something, this hope right now being stuck at home and then sit and discuss it with their families. How do they get there, Jeremy, if they want to watch it? Well, Phil, people in the real world, they know how to go watch it. I think it's on Amazon Prime is how I watched it.

Yeah, that's an easy way to do it. Yeah, I mean, which is one of the bigger ones. ones well look Jeremy look I know you you're doing a lot to promote the movie we're glad you came and are here with us and I just want to say personally I mean look you're a warrior you it wasn't it's not just a movie this is real life this is your life and I know it was difficult to watch that and to be vulnerable enough to put that out there but what what it has that I think is awesome is this is not a cheesy Christian movie I mean this thing is an awesome production but in the end it's real life i'm proud of it i'm glad we're friends and uh i do want to

mention one other thing for we let you go because i know you and your wife have a new book coming out yeah and i'm interested hearing about this because i love marriage stuff so tell us about it so give us give us uh you know the news on that and then we'll let you go yeah first of all hey phil and al and jace thank you so much for having me i really appreciate this oh you're welcome really fun i love your podcast by the way but um so we wrote a book called unison that comes out April 7. It's a marriage book. And I think, you know, it wasn't one of those things where we went, hey, you know what, we've figured out marriage and we've got it all down, so let's tell people how to do it. It wasn't that at all. Because they would say you, sir,

are a liar. The apostle Paul, the apostle Paul, Jeremy said, people who marry will face many troubles in this life, and I want to spare you this. Most people don't even know where that verse is, you know, at First Corinthians. You need to. You need to come out with a book number two that says spare me. I'm kidding. Jeremy, I read that verse at Sadie's wedding at the wedding. He did.

Boy, yeah, what a lead, you know. I'm here at the wedding, but you know, Paul, Apostle Paul said,

better not to do this. You know how you get chills? Yeah, you get chills at a wedding, feel gave everybody a gasp. But tell us about it. Tell us about it. So, you know, it just was, you know, I think a lot of what's we've learned in marriage, you know,

it just we felt like that God laid in our heart to do it. So when he lays something on your heart, he gives you the wisdom to do it. And, you know, it definitely was, I don't know, it was a special kind of bonding time for me and my wife to kind of write down the things that God's taught us. And it's very, it's scriptural based. It's about you can't do marriage without Jesus. It's all about that. It's very transparent. We're not, you know, candy coding anything.

It's very transparent in our fights and how we dealt with those. And I think that's very important because a lot of people feel like that they're alone and their kind of arguments and the conflicts they have. And we're all in this together. Yeah, especially. We realize that we all have conflict and that we're all married to imperfect people. Then I think you get a little more grace that way. You realize you're releasing this book at the perfect time. Yeah.

Because now everybody. Yeah, everybody's quarantined. Yeah, everybody's quarantined. And now look, there's so many relationships now that are saying, man, we're, you know, we've got some issues. If you want to figure out where your marriage is, just go into a two-month quarantine. There's some cracks that will show up. I'll tell you what, Jeremy. Lisa and I'll be reading it for sure because we do some marriage ministry ourselves.

So I'm glad you guys put it out. And best of luck and grace through this whole season for you and your wife and your family. All right. Hey, last question. Has your shooting got any better from the last time you hunted? in there with me. Jason, I think I remember you telling me that I was one of the most safe people that you took out to hunt.

All I remember telling me. I felt so encouraged. By the way, Jeremy, this is Ophiel here. I will have to tell you, my friend, that you are the only movie mogul I've ever even seen. I showed him a picture. I showed him a picture of our snipe hunt. We actually shot. Yeah.

Pretty pathetic. Hey, is it okay? if I show that picture to everybody. That's the only picture I got of you. Oh, absolutely. It's pretty funny. You have to show that. Hey, Jeremy, thanks for coming on, man.

I hope everybody rushes out and watches, I still believe. It's an awesome movie, and they get the book, which will be. Yeah, on April 7th, and I'm sure you can probably get that through the internet these days. Amen. Thank you, man. Hey, I love you, brother. Love you, too, buddy.

Thank you guys so much for having me. Thank you, James. All right. See you. How awesome was that? Now, do you remember him now? I vaguely remember it. Okay, that means now.

Because I remember the ducks weren't flying and y'all got out and told you jumping up snipe. Well, you know, it was a weird day when we were hunting. You know, we're duck hunting. You're at the dog? Yeah. And there's different birds that migrate. Hang on, hang on. Let's take a quick break because we went through our break and then you'd finish that.

Okay. There's different birds that migrate. And so the ducks weren't flying. like, I was like, what are the, those are snipe. So, of course, then you go to the internet and make sure snipe season is open, which it was. Snipes find eating. Oh, that's what I remember telling Jeremy when we were talking back to this story.

I was like, buddy, you're in luck. The ducks are not flying, but have you ever gone snipe hunting? Which is like a joke because, like, there was like this years ago, this sort of urban legend that when you take somebody's snipe hunting, it was a joke. like you take them at night or whatever. I always heard that. But we actually shot snipes. So people would ask me, they were like, we were hunting sniping.

They were like, oh, yeah, a snipe button. And I was like, yeah, they're delicious. Well, I hate to inform you that, I don't guess I hate to inform you, a snipe is better eating than a duck. Yeah, he's delicious. They're dark meat. They're a little darker than a dove, but they still taste really good. Oh, they're fantastic. It's all about the diet with birds.

I mean. Well, let me tell you something. The sports of shooting one, especially. in windy conditions. What's weird is... Nothing moves like a snipe. Yeah. I know, you know, most people that we take, like Jeremy, I mean, he had hunted a whole lot.

But my whole deal is, I don't care if you're a bad shot. Just be safe about it. You know, it's like I made a line on, you know, our show that we used to do when I said, well, you don't know what you're doing. Just do it quickly. Let's make this as pain free as possible. for the rest of us. Well, in shooting, I have a similar thing, which is, look, when you don't know what you're doing shooting-wise, do it safely.

Yeah. Because you've been, we've had people in our blinds, and I'm like, I really feel like my life is in danger. I feel like they need to be locked up for just being reckless. But they don't know they're being reckless, but they don't know. Because you add excitement to a situation. That's the problem. And that's what people are like, oh, I want to go hunting with you. I want to go hunting with you.

I said, I don't want you to come up with me. And they're like, why not? I was like, because you don't shoot a gun much. And so now I'm nervous that, because in shooting one mistake, you can't afford one mistake. So like when I train my daughter to shoot and my sons, I mean, they thought I was a tyrant. You know, it really wasn't fun the first few times because I was so mean and rude about safety. I'm like, we would shoot some ducks and I would immediately look to my son. and say, why is your safety not back on?

I mean, I, and he's like, it's been two seconds. And I said, there's two seconds too long. You shoot and click that safety back on. You know, and you don't take it off until your, or like our friend, the LSU ball player, just set his gun up in the back of a four-wheeler loaded. The dog jumps up in the four-wheeler. He's standing, he was in the front seat now,

but the gun is just laying back a hat like that. Well, the dog jumps up up in the four-wheeler, pushes the safety off with his foot. His paw. his paw shot through the back seat hit him in the leg lost his leg yeah yeah it's sad you know we've known people that have died and you know accidents unfortunately you're gonna put it in the four wheelie you better make sure it's unloaded but it was just that it was weird that he brought that up he's like you said i was a safe hunter with so i mean you could just tell i was saying that of all his

memories to remember i'm such a tyrant on safety but the fact you complimented him says So what's the player dad's talking about? Because he has a ministry now. Branch, I think, is his last name? Yeah. This is Mississippi. He played, he was an offensive lineman for LSU. Matt? I think that's right.

I think it's Matt Branch. But we met him. He actually talked to you. He's doing the ministry now. Yeah, he is. You know, because he lost his leg, but he's a great guy. And Dad's right. I mean, it shows you and hunting.

People ought to get on board with him on. Oh, yeah, yeah. We want to encourage you to check him out. That's him. Matt Brack. I cannot believe I remember that. Awesome. In the spirit of LSU football.

There you go. So Google, Matt, and then see what his organization is, because I'm not sure. I didn't write the name of it down. It says he was shot by a dog. His leg was amputated now. He plans to hunt again. And that was just some of the Google searches that come up. So check it.

Check him out. Well, look, thank y'all for letting me have Jeremy on. I mean, we didn't. A lot of you may think, what are y'all getting out of this? Absolutely nothing. This guy loves Jesus. He loves his family. He has an awesome platform.

His music is a little different, but I love it now. But I just know him as a person, and I thought I would really love to, once I saw that movie, I was like, I'd really want people to watch it. Very few things in life, especially when it comes to Hollywood and media, come out. That's like really good. That's spiritual that will uplift your life. When I stopped by, I went by to the grocery store. at a max yesterday and so I'm keeping my social distance which now I don't know if you've been in a few days

but now they got like the sneeze guard up that protects the checker which was a pretty good call like when so you put your groceries on the little thing that the conveyor belt they've got a big piece of plexiglass that goes the entire length which is pretty small I haven't been to town and over a month yeah well you hadn't shop at a store in your life I'm kind of like old Jeremiah Johnson on that one so anyway I've already been to a town so So anyway, I'm standing in line and waiting, but I'm kind of holding back. And the woman in front of me is talking to the checker, and she's like, what do you've been doing? They knew each other.

She said, well, what can you do? You know, I've got the kids. We're doing this. We're doing that. She said, but I did watch the new Jeremy Camp movie. Oh, really? Yeah. And so it was funny because we talked about it.

This was just yesterday. And she was like, and it is awesome. She said, you've got to see it. She's the, oh, yeah, I've heard about it, you know. So, I mean, that was just a random conversation in the grocery store. But she just went on and on about how good it was. One of the lines in the movie, I see if I can remember it,

he says there's a line in it that says, my life is full, not in spite of difficulties, but because of them. And, you know, when I first heard that, I didn't know what to think about that because I thought,

well, that doesn't seem right. But, you know, the more I got to thinking about it, either how God disciplines us or how God provides a platform for us to overcome, or even in Jesus' death, let's face it. Jesus' death is disappointing.

It's disappointing that he had to die, you know, that we're bad where he had to die. That's a disappointing thing. So you think about it, but because of that, we're able to have a full life. So, I mean, even though, you know, we all watched the passion, and it gave you the pictures of what was happening on,

You're incapable of being moved, of not being moved, you know, when you see that. So we're in the week of the Passion Week, you know, as we're talking about the Good Friday and the crucifixion, and then, of course, Sunday, Easter Sunday, the resurrection. And I thought about today, you couldn't have, you know, we're going through, and we're probably the week of the Passion Week is probably the way they're talking about it. And we don't know for sure. Nobody knows numbers will probably be one of the worst week or two stretch of this whole thing we've been dealing with in terms. of deaths, impact, numbers. You know, President Trump has already said,

look, we're fishing to hit a rough stretch here. There's not a lot of people who are going to be sick. But I thought about all that's happening at a time where the gospel itself and the concept of the resurrection and the idea of the cross is more meaningful than ever because it gives us that picture. And so we've been working on some different things for our church. And Jason and Missy do the worship for it. And we've been having to record some worship and try to plug it into our live stream.

And so the sermon before the Sunday resurrection, the concept that we were talking about, it kind of starts out with what happens at the first of that week. And, you know, it starts out with this triumphal entry into Jerusalem. And, you know, it's interesting. So I'm looking up this text and I'm studying it, you know, and it's in all four of the Gospels, Matthew, Martin, Luke, and John. And they all kind of give a little different take on it. And the one in, I think it's in Luke, which was really interesting to me because

I saw it from a different perspective because, you know, they're like saying Hosanna, King of Kings, and, you know, they're laying down these palm branches, which is why they call it Palm Sunday. And Jesus is riding in, he's on a little donkey foe, you know, but it was all prophesied about it and Zacharine and all that. So that's why he was doing it. So you'd think this was such a great moment because they're recognizing Jesus, you know, and they're seeing that he really is the son of God. And so there's some Pharisees there. And, of course, being the typical grumblers when worship is going on.

know, they're like, tell your disciples to shut up. You know, that's paraphrase them. Rebue your disciples. He said, oh, Jesus said, if I told them to be silent, the stones would sing out. In other words, this is a moment. But what was really interesting me was that Jesus in the Luke telling, and nobody else told this part, in that moment, right after he said that, it says he looked at Jerusalem and he wept. He wept. So this moment of Hosanna, you're the king, you're the greatest, and he's crying because,

he looks and he says they're not going to get it most of them aren't going to believe my own people my own people and he wept over that because he was like and then he told a little foretelling of what was going to happen there when i mean they're just going to be massacred in 8070 by the romans and so i really thought that was interesting that here's jesus the son of god in a moment where people were finally calling him what he should be called but even in that he realized it was mostly rejection yeah because they wouldn't believe the context of first corinthans 15 if it's a priest that Christ has been raised from the dead, how can some of you say there is no resurrection of the dead?

And he starts there and talking about what we got, what we received from a horrible death, put up on God in a human body. And he ends up by saying, if I fought wild beast in Ephesus, which is weird to say, I wonder what he was getting into on his missionary trips. He got into a bunch of wild beasts trying to kill him or whatever.

But back in that day, think about it. There were some deep woods in every direction worldwide. Think about us, 2000. You know, it's weird, too. Let me finish it. He said, what have I gained? If I fought wild beasts just for human reasons, what have I gained? If the dead are not raised, let us eat and drink for tomorrow we die.

Well, that type thinking is still here. I mean, you've got a pandemic. People are dying, and you're like, what a lot of people are doing? they are frolicking and marching, getting together. Remember, a month ago, people said, ah, nothing to that, you know. Gather on the beach. Party time.

That's right. And everybody went in every direction. And now it's a little more sobering when you look at it and you say, well, what it comes down to, boys, if there's no resurrection of the dead, me, you, I, L, Jace, and all the rest of our listeners, we're done. If there is no resurrection, we are done. That's right. Let's take a break.

Jason, tell us what you're going to tell us. I was just reading in the back end of that 1st Corinthians 15. He says, because I think this is important, because what happens when the coronavirus hits, especially those outside of Jesus, it reminds us as humans that were perishable. We're of the world. And you can go quickly. We're weak. So when he went on to say from what you were reading in 1st, Corinthians 15 and 42, it says, so it will be with the world. with the resurrection of the dead,

the body that is sown is perishable. So that's a reminder number one. When this comes out, all of a sudden it hits you that, oh, I'm perishable. Yeah. Because we live in this denial. I'm mortal.

I'm mortal. We live in this denial of, you see people die, and you're like, oh, that's sad. But as long as it's not you, it's not really impacting you that much. Now, if you know the person,

then you're upset a little bit, but you get over it. Why? Because it's not you. But when you're the one dying, all of a sudden, you're like, oh, wait a minute, I'm perishable. Help me. You know, God help me. Everybody gets religious usually at the end. You're speaking on why I follow Jesus.

That's right. But, well, you know, Paul is. The body that is on is perishable. It is raised imperishable. And I'm going, whew. But just think about the contrast. I mean, you think, okay, you have an opposite. It's perishable.

but being imperishable, really the thought of that is hard for you to, as hard as it is for you to live that you're perishable, because we're in denial about it usually, it's way more difficult to grasp that you're going to be imperishable. Just remember, Jase, you're still a fairly young buck. I'm not young, Phil. I'm younger than you. Your whiskers are getting grayer every day, but just remember this. I'm just giving you something to look forward to.

when you hit about my age, I'll be 74 in about a month. You say, what are you trying to say, Dad? I'm running out of time on this first run. So when you're reading this text, Jays, I'm sitting there saying, yeah, without that, without that, there is no hope. It looms the little larger. The resurrection is looming larger every day I get up and look around. Well, I'm still here.

Woo! All right. The next part says, it, the body. is sown in dishonor because you think about the dishonorable things we do with our body, but it's raised in glory. It is sown in weakness, which is another reminder of what this bring. We're weak.

Look, and these people, they're like, well, I work out, I'm in great health. Well, this may not get you,

but at some point, something will. I mean, you can, what's your famous line, feel? You say people that say I eat right and work out, it feels that,

you'll die healthy, but you'll die. I mean, it's true. At some point, you're going to be weak. There's nothing you can do about it, and people are in denial about that. But this virus reminds us of that, no matter how strong you think you are, but it says it is raised in power.

It is sown a natural body. We're under, you know, nature's law here. We're in a place where ever since Adam and Eve, I guess, were separated from that tree of life, you're going to die it's just the natural way it has raised the spiritual body so that's all i wanted to see the stats that our scientists give the best medical professionals in the world they say 77 for a woman and that's that's all of it that's that's your average age when you die and about 75 for a man you're like uh 3,000 years ago the psalmist said god gives us 70 years

80 if we have the strength. That's right. You're like, hmm, I wonder how they knew the same stats that we've ended up with. I read that to somebody the other day and he said, no, that's not what that's saying. It was kind of a weird, I'll say it. Well, I'll go back and look at that, but I'm pretty sure that's what it says. That's what it means. And Moses wrote it.

Let's take a quick break. We'll come back. So that text you were reading, Jay's 1st, Corinthians 15. So one of Brian, who's from Friscoe, Texas, had sent us a question. and you just answered it, so I wanted to ask it again so I could reiterate, not only for Brian, but everybody that's because I've gotten some other questions. It said, regarding going to heaven, do y'all believe our physical bodies go or just our souls? Because there's a kind of a concept out there that you don't really, your body's no good. And by the way, this goes back to Greek thought.

But Jace just read it. Every time you heard him say the word it, if you go back and read 1st, 5th, you read it, you read it. What is the it? It is sown. It is raised. The body. The body. So we know that in the resurrection, the physical bodies are going to be retooled. And the reason we know that is because Jesus, on his resurrection, he was physical. He was who he was. But he was spiritual. But he was spiritual.

And he had these powers. He had all sorts of things. If you're Christian and you physically expire, sown in weakness, but you say, I will get my body back when Jesus returns because my soul and my spirit, it didn't die. When I physically expired. Correct. It goes on to be with God. That's right. And when the sky parts, and here comes Jesus,

bringing all those who fall into sleep in it. First, that's on in us four. So it's just a deep sleep as far as your body's concerned. And Jesus comes back and, Whom, the casket starts giving up the dead and the oceans and all the people there. You're like, man. Is that going to be a sight to be seen or what?

You think a pandemic puts people into pandemonium? Wait to the sky parts. and you hear a big loud racket and you look up and here comes Jesus with all the souls and spirits of the deceased coming back to resurrect their bodies from the ground. It is so wild, I don't think man could have dreamed it up. Yeah, part of what we're, I was talking with Jeremy, you know, we had him on earlier.

Part of our conversation that we didn't have today that I've had with him just when I called him the first time was he said, you know, it's really hard. I've noticed for non-Jesus-loving people to realize that death is not a problem to us. Because everybody's like, well, what's wrong with you? But we just read it. It's because people say, well, you know, if you love God, how come these bad things are happening? But you watch this guy's story?

I mean, he puts his faith and trust in God. Now look, was it bumpy? Yes. But he's like, I win. in death. I win in pain. I win because I'm in Jesus and all these things that we're reading,

he's transferring from perishable to imperishable, from weak to powerful. So why would I turn my back on the one who is able to do that? I thought it was an incredible... And I found it interesting that... Remember the text in Hebrews 2, like 14 through 18, where it says

the Bible, Hebrew writer said, Jesus was made like his brothers in every way so that when we're tempted that he understands temptation. And we think about that just in terms of sin, but you know, when you think about it, you go to the garden, which is, and Jesus is in Gassimony, which by the way, it was on the Mount of Olives, but the place, the little area he was at called Gassimini was where they pressed the olives and got the oil out of them. And so it is interesting that in that place where they pressed the olives to get the oil, he felt the pressure of the moment. And you remember what he told his disciples?

He told him, he said, pray for me, you're here for me. I'm going to go over here. But pray, he said, and don't fall into temptation, which I thought was interesting because we always relate it to sin. But in this case, what I believe, because of what happens next, he goes over and he just falls down. And the first thing he says is, Father, if there's some way to have this cut past, you know, because he knows what's just fixing to happen.

And he's like, if there's any way, but then he said, but not my will but yours. And then he goes back over, remember a couple of times, well, they keep falling asleep. And one version, or, I mean, one of the gospel says that they were exhausted with sorrow in the moment. Because they see Jesus. He's the strongest man they've ever met. And he's down on his hands and knees. He's sweating so hard. It said it was like drops of blood going to the ground.

So I think about that moment. I think sometimes the temptation is for us is that we just don't trust it at the moment. And that's what he was talking about there. That's what he was trying to tell the disciples. Because he, he, that's as human as you'll ever see Jesus in that moment. That's why I brought up the line about having this,

having these blessings in a full life because of disappointments. Not, not, not in spite of them. Right. I want to read 1st John 3 talking about Jesus's resurrection and to answer this question. In John 3 2 it says we are children of God.

1 John 3 2. And what we will be has not yet. been made known because it's hard to wrap your head around being imperishable. A glorified buddy. Yeah. So, you know, it's okay. And I'm, I'm open to how people interpret exactly how that's going to be, kind of like heaven. We got a pretty good vision of it, but you don't, you're not going to be able to relate to living forever in a place where it's temporary. The laws of nature and gravity do not apply. That's why, Jace, the Apostle Paul ended up that whole thing in 1st, Corinthians 15. And when the Perishable has been clothed with the imperishable and the mortal with immortality.

Then the saying that is written will come true. Death has been swallowed up in victory. Where old death is your victory? Where old death is your sting? The sting of death is sin and the power of sin is the law. But thanks be to God, he gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore, stand firm. Let nothing move you.

give yourself fully to the work of the Lord because you know that your labor in the Lord is not in vain. Boy, every time I read that, I'm like, whoo! What a statement, really. I'm telling you, man. He said earlier in that First Prince 15 that the last enemy that would be destroyed. That brought tears to my eyes when I read that out. I wonder why.

The last enemy that would be destroyed is death. I mean, what a statement. That's why people, when you find yourself in the word and you read statements like that, You read no other statements like that that has evidence to back that up. And we're talking about death. So think about it, Jace. In the midst of a pandemic, they're falling on our right and our left.

Thousands are falling on the right and on the left of us. But we take refuge in our fortress, God Almighty, and you say he's given us salvation, life beyond the grave. So we look at a pandemic and we say, it's a rough one. and thousands are dying, but there is hope. But without this, I don't know where you would find hope, it doesn't exist. We might as well smoke some dope if we didn't have this.

That's what most of it would be loved. I didn't finish this verse. I know, hang on before we finish this, let's take our last break. First John, three, two, the second part. But we know that when he appears, Jesus, here's the phrase, we shall be like him. So when the resurrection occurs, and you get your new body.

We got a glimpse of him for about 40 days. So think about what did he do? Well, here's a few things just off the top of my head based on scripture. He had the capacity to eat fish, even though he didn't need to eat. Amen to that. Yeah, I like it. I'm all for that. I like it.

Me too. And look, but he didn't have to because he was imperishable. So why was he? eating fish because he wanted to. So the options are unlimited. That's what I get out of that. Can you imagine the look on the disciples' faces when they thinking he was a ghost, they still could not believe it because of joy and amazement?

He said, do you have everything here to eat? And they're like, what? He said, I'm hungry. Well, why would he do that? Can you imagine the look on their faces? they saw someone die. And three days later, he's standing there saying, I'm hungry.

How about a little fish fry? It's a good point. It actually proves why that he got his body back because the one thing he had to do to prove, because they thought he was a ghost because... He said, touch me. Well, I know, but even then they touched, they still didn't believe he's like,

well, let me eat some fish in front of you. So when they ate it, he still had to kind of open them. They're staring at him. You know, they're staring at him. I think this dude is actually back. Because, yeah, I would think it was his cousin. Did he have a twin? You know, but he was also able to shape-shift

something you've only seen previously before Jesus that we've seen. On movies or Star Trek or, you know, he's a shapeshifter. He was walking those guys on the road to Amas and it says he kept himself from being revealed. So they start talking to him. Well, think how much fun you're going to have with that. you know what I mean you look one way and then and then right at the last second they saw who he was and he was gone oh yeah so then he's got the power to vanish you know like when they have they'll beam me up Scotty you literally I'm telling y'all I'm really looking forward to this resurrected body because I'm thinking man well look so was there duck hunting heavy I haven't I said I don't care well just think of all the fun you have messing with people you're showing up you're disappearing you know people talking about building walls and all this he actually they had the doors locked and then he just appeared. So,

but you think of what you're we're weeding out so far just of what we are now, we've analyzed. There's no walls in heaven because you can go through the wall, even though you have a body. Dimensional control. There's no clocks. No. Because if you're imperishable,

well, time now has no longer. It has ceased. There's no, there'll be no clocks. No clocks. No calendars. Yeah, that's where some of these movies that you, see Hollywood, yada, yada, yada.

I don't have a watch even now on Earth, never owned one, but when I get you... Well, you were ahead of your time. I'm at my time. I know what it's like to not go by the clock. The principal is right, but you remember Peter Pan, Hook, you know, he saw that movie, right? No.

Are you kidding? No. Oh, that's a good one. You need to go watch that. All right after you watch, I still believe. Yeah. Hold your breath away for that. Watch.

I'm going to start calling Jace. Jace the movie man. Movie man. He hadn't seen Peter Pan. But look, they had this principle. I haven't seen it either. The evil guy, Captain Hook. I know that I'm familiar with the story.

Look, he had an obsession with clocks. Anytime he heard a clock, he would smash it. Well, look, no, here's what Hollywood is doing. That's the nature of mankind. We don't like a clock. Because it reminds you that you're perishable. Maybe that's why I don't have one. But listen to this.

You're Captain Hook. But Peter Pan had a special set. of powers where he didn't age all right because what they're selling you on the same principle they're trying to there may be a way to live forever but listen to that here's my favorite part of peter pan which is what i'm applying to this lesson today he had to find a happy thought to where he could fly because he could fly and suck because who doesn't want to fly where do they get that from first that'selonians four we meet the lord in there you can't fly without Jesus but they're like well if you come up with a happy thought well the happy

thought was his relationship with his parents see the son or these are all spiritual principles it's a spiritual meaning so peter pan is a bible story no no they never mentioned the bible oh okay but i'm telling they took the principles i thought you were really take us to a good place now somebody around there took those principles and tried to apply them you know to this to the story but i'm saying you can have be get those principles for real you can fly your happy thought is I'm a son of god because Jesus flew yeah you will fly you will live forever and guess what you won't have to smash the clocks God's already smashed them so there you go I like your logic Peter Pan Peter Pan I never would have made that link for a redneck old Jason gets into pretty deep stuff

oh he does he he'll ride in on the Peter Pan he's a movie man he's a movie man well I'm proud to have both of y'all as sons. I'll tell you that. We'll all gather up one day and we say, good, night. While all that we were discussing, look at this. That's exactly right. Well, watch Peter Pan as the undercard for, I still believe, because that's, that will be the heavyweight. I'll say something like Jace. By the way, the Lord's told us, told me that there's some planets out there that were just like Earth, but there's no one on them. Yeah. Except us. And we'll be there forever. And they've had claimed that the ducks are there by the thousands, by the millions.

Well, and I just never run out of them. The dark season never ends. That's what happens like. As we sign off in the resurrection season because we really focus on a lot at Easter time, but it's important at all times. But dad just made a great point. I know there's a lot of young men that listen to and watch our podcast. And so I would just encourage you guys that live in such a way that, you know,

maybe when your dad gets to be 74 and you're 55 and 50, you'd be able to sit around a table and talk about the Bible and have a relationship that looks forward to eternity. It's a great challenge. for you. So love it that you guys are part of our unashamed. I'm only 45. Yeah, right. You keep going back. He's Peter Pan. Because I have a happy thought.

It seems like yesterday when y'all showed up. Yeah. Lord. We're old. You know, when you're on the clock, it does pass fast. It does, but it's just a number. What I'm saying? It's a vapor. It's just a number.

Death is not a problem. That's right. So we're so glad you guys were with us today. You can subscribe on iTunes or Spotify or YouTube or Facebook. and be sure and rate us on iTunes so that other people can know about the podcast.