Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 740 | Jase’s Pit Stop Counseling Session & the Best $20 Phil Ever Spent

Episode Date: August 24, 2023

Jase faced down a ticking clock to give solid marriage advice in the time it took to get an oil change! Phil marks the end of an era with an unexpected loss, but he paid $20 to set it mostly right. The guys talk about how to gain a childlike spirit in our relationships with God. Phil reckons the family structure of heaven mirrors the family structure on earth — and it’s way better than any alternative.  In this episode: Luke 11, verses 1–13; Philippians 2, verses 1–5; Ephesians 3, verse 15; 1 Corinthians 13, verses 4–8 — Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? Welcome back to Unashame. I'm trying to get Missy on today, Jace, but she was busy preparing. You know, got a little travel coming up. Well, you probably should have asked me to ask her, because all I got was, I mean, babe, I can't do it. I was like, can't do what? I had to feel. It was kind of last second. I just, I was working. on our stuff yesterday for today and I thought you know we had that miss him actually I watched what made me think about her and I kind of want to get her take on it so we had to get her on later

but you know she had came she'd come on here I don't know it's been a few months ago and talked about a an episode she had in a library and it was kind of a remember all that and so it was the brave books who does her books and but I noticed this week they had another thing going on because it was kind of like a national story. And it was the same people they were with it. I saw some footage from it last night on the news. That's what I remember thinking about. Miss has wondering what she thought.

And Kirk Cameron was there. Riley Gaines was there. Kind of the same crew that was with her. I think she's out of it now. I mean, she probably wouldn't have known. Yeah, I was interested. But they had kind of the same deal as like a bunch of people were going to show up. And so, which I kind of feel bad for these libraries because they're normally sitting there.

Nobody's ever coming in there. And then all of a sudden, somebody like this shows up and a bunch of people want to come hear it. And then it becomes a big deal for them. And so they were in Alabama. So, you know, first they said they couldn't do it. And then there was a lot of controversy. And then they did it. But it was a packed house.

I noticed Kirk was there. They were singing, God bless America. I mean, you know, it's just one of those deals. It's kind of unfortunate, I guess. But I love brave books. I love what they're doing. They have some really cool books. Missy has them, but has one.

But a bunch of people, other people do as well. No, it's a moving day for us, so we're going to, we're headed to Nashville. It's our anniversary. Oh, that's right. What is this one? 33 years. So the rest of this is bonus. So I was trying to take care of some responsibilities like normal people yesterday.

Tried to get my dog in for a visit and that went over like a lead balloon. Well, it just seemed weird. I'm like, Biggin's a roamer. Well, you can't drop your dog up. They're like, well, you have to be here. I was like, oh, drop him off. Then I'll come by, you know, give him his shots. And I'll come back and pick him up.

And it's like, no, you have to, you have to be beside him, you know, through the entire. But they were talking real hush like we were, you know, talking about, I don't know. So I was like, well, I have to do that when he gets. You have to hold his paw. I do that when I get back. Well, the next thing. I don't really care about you holding his paw during the seating. It just seemed weird, you know.

But I was like, it's a checkup. He has no life-threatening disorder. I'm just bringing him in. But anyway, we couldn't work that out. You've done any paw holding lately, dad? So the next item of business, I've been breaking the law for a couple months because my inspection sticker's out. Oh, boy.

And look, everywhere I go, where I used to get my inspection sticker, they're like, we don't do that anymore. Oh, I got the guy for you. Go ahead and change my all, you know. Oh, no, I know you're a guy. So I did the search on my phone, and there were four possibilities. So I picked the closest one. So I went down there, and I mean this was redneck central, and I mean that affectionately.

So the one right there on 7th Street? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. They all knew. They said, I always saw your brother, you know. I had the twang. I couldn't understand half of what was being said. And I have the twangue down there at that church.

I said, every Sunday, but not really. It's not me. No, they said you came in. Yeah, we got some of that preacher money. You know, they were kind of making fun of you at first. I didn't know. I was like, well, I think he works there for free. So I'm not sure that was preacher money.

Hey, that he preached money a long time. So one of the guys that looked like our uncle's Si, your brother. That's the main guy. And he said, yeah, I get that a lot, you know. And he was kind of going off on a blank-blankety-blank, blank, blank-blank, blank, blank, blank. He didn't do that with me. Oh, he was doing it with me.

So he, so what did I ask him? I was like. That's funny did you. How long have you been married? And he said, oh, I ain't married. No, it's my girlfriend. Because somebody asked him why he was so upset. They're like, well, he's having woman problems.

That was how this started. And I said, oh, well, how long have you been married? He said, no, I ain't married. You know, it's my girlfriend. He's like, I mean, she's playing games. And I said, how old are you? He said, I'm 78. I said, so you're still doing the dating thing, the playing the game?

He's like, no, I'm not playing. I said, well, let me ask you a question. I said, how many times have you been married? He said, three times. I said, really? I said, have you ever considered, have you stopped and considered that maybe it was you? Because I'm like, what, I'm giving them my money to change the oil, and he's already, you know, said all that. And he said, oh, I know it was me on the first two, but that third one, that wasn't my fault.

I said, well, why don't you forgive, like the first two, they're going to have to forgive you because you've already owned it. They call this oil change counseling. You got to solve it in the time of an old change. So when you all come to me and you say, you know, how come you don't go to town? Yeah. No, this has a happy ending. So now we're getting down into, you know, the problems.

Because they listen to the podcast. So all you went there for is what? Get my old change and get, well, I went there to get an inspection sticker, but I threw in the oil change. of the goodness of my heart since they were making little money this thing is branching out into marriage into marriage that well so then this guy they're kind of bored there so they like a good conversation then the guy who uh who who's looks like sigh all of a sudden now he said now 38 years ago you know the lord saved me because he said the first two you know it was this he he drank too much and

among other he told me he had been there to hear me preach that's what made it weird so uh anyway so now now all of a sudden it turned to a spiritual discussion. And so I said all that to say, one of the guys who had the longest marriage tenure, he's like, well, how long have you been married? So I was like 33 years. That's where I was going. He's like 33 years. I mean, I didn't think you were like 40 years old.

I thought, yeah, that's what I'm talking about. But, yeah, he said, well, what is the, what is the one quality? put me on the spot here he said what would you say he said because i've been married seven years and i would i would like to be married for 33 years good i like to hear what is the one quality would you say is the most important and so you know off the top of my head just point-blank question i just because i really hadn't thought about one quality because usually i'll say jesus sir He's a one quality. So I said, I would say unselfishness.

And they were all like, do what? What? I was like, you've never heard the word unselfishness? And he said, well, what do you mean by that? That's poor selfishness. I just thought it was crazy that they were like, what do you mean by that? I was like, unselfish.

That means you wake up and you're not thinking about what you're going to get out of this. You're thinking about, you know, what you're going to give. You're being unselfish. You're thinking about the other person. That would probably be exactly what else. The guy said, well, I'm not sure. Sure, I can do that.

I thought. That's all right. Well, now, wait a minute. He's like Big Lou. He's working on number two. That concept would go through the redneck world. A lot of friction that would be stirred up from that. I was so shocked that you asked me a question.

I give you an answer, and now you're going to argue about it. I don't know about it. It was just like, wow, what a novel concept, you know. It made me think of that show of my wife, Missy, listens to. She loves to listen to that Dr. Laura. So every once a while, we'll be in the car together, and she'll have that on. You know, it's really not funny, but I think most people listen to it because it's humorous, because she's so blunt, because they're calling her up.

don't give a rip. And there's not like a religious undertone. If I'm not mistaken, Dr. Laura is Jewish, too. I don't know, but let me tell you. She's Jewish. She's old school with her. Like, she's, Jay's right. She's like, I listen to her years ago. It's been a few years. She throws haymakers. Because these people, you know what happened. Anybody's been involved in marriage counselor or whatever. These people, they'll call in, they'll like, oh, he's always been the prop, you know, we, he never does this. He's like, he never had. I mean, it's just been. Always and never. history of, they'll lay out this whole argument. You're thinking, boy, this poor girl, I mean, the guy, she's married to you,

must be the biggest loser of all the time. Then this Dr. Lara, Lars, she'll say, well, how many kids do you have? They're like, well, you know, four, four kids or whatever. She's like, so let me get this right. He's been the problem the whole time. And then you decided to bring other humans into this so-called toxic environment where they can experience the same, you know, and she just, well, then the woman's like,

she don't know what to say. Because it's like, because what happens is, there's a narrative that she spun so long that when you stop and think about it, it doesn't really make sense. No, at one time, you were getting along just fine, you know. But now it's just snowballed in your mind. There's stuff like that, which is kind of comical,

because then they start backtracking, you know. she's like well how long did y'all date before he got married they're like you know a month or whatever yeah she's like well no wonder you had to me i mean you couldn't wait and make sure this was it's just she calls them out on all kind of stuff and like bringing up what i brought up like being unselfish and they're like wow i'm not going to be unselfish to this loser you know it's it's too far gone at that point but so anyway it was kind of marriage counseling 101 at the the oil change place, which I thought was interesting. Yeah, that's a, that's, you're on the time limit there because you got to get it done

by the time the oil change and the inspection sticker are done. Well, no, because I, look, I came right before closing time. They actually closed the door behind me. They fixed the clothes. Yeah. So then it was just, they all gathered up. I said, made up. We had marriage 101 yesterday, but I thought, I can't wait to go back now.

I liked them. Well, they're good guys. I want to hear the follow up. Merge counseling. Yeah. Oh, and he, they are as redneck as you're going to get it. Did you notice, and maybe you didn't because if they had closed the bays, but like right in front, when you're getting, you're in the thing sitting in your vehicle typically, and right out front,

there's all these vehicles out here and stuff they've been working on. And the light, you know, there was like travel trailers. You can't be a redneck unless you assemble a certain amount of junk. That just kind of comes on. And it's just like all there. This guy's been there for a few years. Oh, Phil, when you cross that railroad track coming to your house, it is like the world's greatest collection of junk cars.

Yeah. Well, yesterday, a redneck, the local redneck, came to see me. And after that was the Mack Owend, it actually did this. So this was about a 30-year. boat dock. So it's made on Cypress logs. Yeah.

Put some little space in it. Mack Owen put some pipe, two each pipe and tin. So I had me, all there's a... So you got a boathouse floating on Cypress Lowe? It was. But now it is that last wind we got... I could see it was going. Yeah.

But I could see. so the whole thing collapsed with my boat and motor in it. So it was just steel and tin that all collapsed on top of the boat and motor. Yep. So as luck would have it, a local redneck came down there. And I mentioned a crisp $20 bill. I said, it's what's in it's for you. I said, go down there and get all that tin and pipe off my boat and motor and see if it to run.

For a whole $20. I can't believe in green. He took off. He took off. The inflation has gone up. I would have. That's 20. I would offer it 100 for that minimum.

No, I didn't have it up here lately, you know, paying more money than it's worth. Good, Greek. So I just said, well, if you'll do this, for it, 20 bucks. So he went out and I said, yeah, ain't no problem. So he went to me, got him some kind of cutter, cut a big square in the tin that was crumper. It was all over my boat. Did he let him take the medal with him? Because he probably sold that.

So he got rid of that. But that, he'd come up back up there. He said, boat and boat arrived from one of the dark. So now you no longer have a boat. It was the passing, the passing of an era. Yeah. It's been, that old boathouse had been there a long time. Years and years and years of wear and tear.

I could see it going. I said, let her sit there until it collapse. So Willie has a nice boat house just down from. Are you going to be able to put your boat under here? Yep. I'm just going upbraiding. Just move down a little bit. That's good.

And that reminded me of a story when you said that about it falling on your boat. A few years ago when I was living out in Calhoun, our house hadn't been built long, but less than a year. And when we built it, it was a carport, but they called it a port-a-chae, you know, fancy French name. Because it's not actually, it's freestanding. So it's got, you know, some two-by-fours that are holding it up. it's attached to the house. And when Tony built it, he said, I don't know, Al. He said, boy, this thing will take a lot.

But if we, boy, if we had a tornado or something, this thing would probably just blow away. But we talked about it and decided to just let it go. Well, a straight line wind came through that year. Just a straight liner, 70-mile-hour wind. It's not a tornado. It's just a wind that comes through. And you can look above it, you know, and see where it takes trees, everything else. That thing came along, picked up that whole carport, moved it,

about three or four feet. Well, of course, then it's off its feet. And it just came right down on top of my truck. And old little B, who we talked about when Burley was over. He was on interstate, saw that wind coming, ran into my house for safety. Oh. That wind coming ran into my house for safety. Oh.

We had to get out there and pull it off of there and all that. Well, it's 100 degrees every day down there. It costs me more than a crisp 20. My boat house is no more. Yep, it's come. Passing of an air because I won't rebuild it. No. But it's pretty ingenious that lasted that long.

I mean, over 30 years. Oh, yeah. Just logs. Well, just think if we'd have had that back in the day and we were fishing because we had to go down and bail the boats out every time we went to fish because it always rained in them, remember? That's right. Or if there was a big rain,

we'd be out there sometimes in the night doing it. So passing of an error. Yep. Jayside's going to read this before we get into our text. When you mentioned that about the always and nevers, first of all, on your unselfish thing, if you ever need a verse to go with that, because I use that a lot too. It's Philippians 2, 1 through 3, is a great text about living your life, not for your own interest, but the interest of another person.

And, of course, that's written to the church. but man what a what a thing it speaks to live in an unselfish life it's difficult to do it's hard to do of course it is but you know what he what he caps that with in verse five in philippians too he says have the same attitude as that of christ jesus which really goes to where we're at in luke you only you can only be good to those who are not good to you if you're looking at it through how Jesus rescued all of humanity, including in ourselves. I mean, that is the dynamic

God chose to pass this along. Right. I mean, because people say, oh, yeah, you know, you ought to help those in need. Well, it's easy when you like the person or you feel like they've done nothing to deserve whatever condition there in,

but you start getting into the world and having compassion. You need some better motivation. motivation at a model, which is what he did in Philippians. You know, he started off, this is a good verse when it said, do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit. And listen to this. But in humility, consider each other's better than yourself.

And that's just what you told those guys. You shouldn't look to your own interests, but also to the interests of others. You know, then it launches into Jesus. And you just think about if you can't do that with your wife? Well, how are you going to do with anybody? You sure not going to do it with your interests. enemy. No.

I mean, the underlying, underlying, amazing part of Philippians, Philippians won four. I thank you really for your partnership in the gospel from the first day into now. That's one. Two,

I'm in chains and defending and confirming the gospel. All of you, same as two. Three, what you're doing is really helping advance the gospel. That's three. Four, the latter do so in love so that I'm put here for the defense of the gospel. That's five.

Verse 18, what does it matter? The important thing is that in every way, everything, whether from false motives are true, Christ is preached. And because of this, I rejoice. That's one, two, three, four, five times mentioning the gospel in the first chapter, Whatever happens, verse 27, conduct yourself in a manner worthy of the gospel of Christ. Well, there's that one. Then the next one, you stand firm in the spirit contending as one man for the faith of the gospel.

Look, you start reading through that thing on what sharing Jesus means, starting with the prayer that you quoted. You look at that, it's amazing how many times. I see just from one page in chapter two, you know, Timothy is proved faithful, it was because as a man with his father, he served with me, kind of like a dad, a complex thing, in the work of the gospel. So it's amazing just in the book of Philippians,

one two. That's seven times, and you don't have to turn a page. You just got chapter one and two there, and just look at it. You say their whole life was, built around Jesus, him, die, and being buried from the dead. They're everything they did. Yeah.

I mean, it was just like this. I mean, just reading Philippians, you say, boy, it's hard to do without any kind of prayer in there. Yeah. You know. Philippians is such a good book. We need to do that one sometime. I don't think we've done that on the podcast.

And one more thing on to mention before we move on from that, because Jay's sparked a lot of my mind talking about marriage, because Lisa and I have done a lot of marriage ministry through the years. when I hear a couple back in the old days, we used to do a lot more counseling with couples, they'd be, you know, they'd be, you know, they come in, they're giving you all their problems, you know, they're, here's where, here's where we're at.

And I would always hear, always, always, that always and never. She always does this, you know, he never does this, he never does it. And I love going over to First Corinthians 13, because I usually say, man, I'm hearing a lot of always and never. Out of you two guys, it sounds like you ought to lock into a, eternal battle. I said, let me read you something. See if this compares to your lives and kind of what's going on. Love is patient. Love is kind. It does not envy. It does not boast. It is not proud. It is not rude.

It is not self-seeking. It is not easily angered. It keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil, but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trust, always hopes, always perseveres, love never fails. That proves that most people have a love problem. It's a love problem. And I say, if we could use always and never in those terms instead of what you guys are, if you're so locked in on that. I love you as taking on new meaning.

Yeah. And they forget that. This is right. Dr. Lara, I guess, was right. They forget what brought them together to start with. You just get so much garbage in that you forget. And sometimes you just got to reset to the. simple, you know, so.

Well, that's what I even think you see that, you know, when we were talking about the parable of the good Samaritan, you know, when he asked who is my neighbor, which once again, that's usually the alternative to a bad married situation. They're like, well, this, you know, it's, it's the person I'm with. And the grass is always greener. And so then you see, first two is good, good, but number three. But you see this when people have marital problems. All of a sudden, I mean, it doesn't matter.

The husband or the wife, they start working out and eating right. After the fifth one. Dressing up and looking. But then you're like, well, if you'd have been doing this to get your husband or your wife's attention, you wouldn't even be in this, man. You know, it's like all of a sudden, once there's an alternative that doesn't involve them, they start making all these changes. I'm discussing with them. And if they're up to five different marriages, and then we didn't work out,

then they're on number of them. Usually it's when I say, you know, after five that you've been married to and the one you just married, it's possible that it could be you. You could even start earlier. I think Judge is right. I think once we get really the three. Well, I was kind of, I wasn't sure where this conversation was going but you know I was being kind of playful but then it got serious you know then they were

really asking for advice but so I was kind of kidding because I thought he's 78 I just assumed he was married but it was more turning into our other Samaritan you know altercation at the well that's what it reminded me yeah because it's like once we started talking it's like no I've had three wives and the one I'm with now is not my wife and it's a mess and I'm like boy you're 708 you're getting a little old to be still in that that race and he's like tell me about it I mean dad you're almost you know you're you're right there can you imagine game playing and you know I can't have any girlfriend show up and say you don't love me anymore you know whatever I look at some of them last some of them stunts I pulled in my last one and the only one

I've been mad to as Ms. Kay, but just one, it can cause you a lot of misery. I can't imagine five. No, me neither. It's best to work it out. Let's take another break. When it happens, we should be there to say, look, I mean, did you get yourself into it? There is a way out of it. Absolutely.

You know? And it's way better to make it work. Well, the Lord's prayer, pretty well, pretty well covered it. It does. I mean, it does. This section we're talking about is everything that we've been talking about, about applies into marriage that's the beautiful thing about it the bible you know jesus wouldn't even married and neither was paul and most of the bible's written by them or about them and yet the principles

they lay out for the for the christian walk it works for marriage i mean i guarantee you that oh yeah i've always looked at it like he's not married because he would be we would be the bride of christ right we were his wife in the sense that yeah i believe that i think there's not about And so what I was going to say, though, is when you look at this, when we're reading the Samaritan story, you know, the priest and the Levite that came by, I mean, you really, you think, well, why did Jesus use them as an example? And why didn't they help him? And you start to realize that this cult that he started talking about in chapter 9 when, you know, the people would come up and say, I'll follow you wherever you go. I mean, you start looking at who is your neighbor asking questions like that.

You know, when is the right time to help people? These are the things religious people do, you know, because you don't want to put yourself out there if it's going to cost you a whole lot, or it's dangerous. But Jesus is the one who came up with the story. He made it. It's a parable, but it's really about. a real place where people were being robbed and it's real people.

There's real hatred even to this day among Samaritans and Jews. And so when you think about what Jesus is saying, it's like you're not going to be able to do this unless you're willing for it to cost you something. Right. You know, your pride. And then even the money that the guy spent, you know, the hero here, the Samaritan. With no, he didn't do it with any idea and inkling that he would ever get that back. Oh, that's right.

It wasn't like I'm loaning you this money to take care. I mean, he just did it to take care of the guy. So there's no expectation of payment. You're like, how much is it going to cost me to love my neighbor? It's not just who is my neighbor. All these questions come up. How much is it going to cost? I mean, I love my neighbor.

Yeah. Or when is the right time. I mean, we come up with that stuff because we really, it's just a lot easier. Just get on the other side of the road, act like it never happened. I hope it works. I'll pray for you. I don't want to get tangled up in that. Well, right.

That's what I'm saying. A lot of times when somebody says, I'll pray for you. That's code for I don't want to get involved. Yeah. But, I mean, it's unfortunate, but it's true. It's true. Yeah. We've,

Lisa and I've helped people before a lot of times sent people to maybe a, one of these marriage ER, like Joe Beam, we had him on the podcast like he does, like a weekend. And, you know, you got to pay for that being done, but a couple sometimes in crisis.

And so they just don't have the money to get there, but they want to do the right thing. And so we've helped them before. And afterwards they come back and say, well, we want to pay you guys back and start a payment plan, whatever. And I said,

no, I didn't give you that to be paid back. Yep. but I want you to pay that forward because if you heal one day somebody's going to come to you and say, hey, y'all got a great marriage. I need help. And you know what you'll say? I know some people I can get you to.

And if you pay it all forward instead of worry about paying people back, then they help other people. That's kind of, I mean, to me, that's a big principle of what he's talking about. This Samaritan got it. But you know, just interesting, you're right. I don't know that he picked the Levite and the priest, and we didn't get into it. much when we talked about that. The priest, from a Jewish standpoint, was probably the most spiritual connection they had because he offered sacrifices. The Levi, the Levite tribe was set aside just to do work in the temple. So the Levite in this story is kind of imagining like a junior priest.

They're doing all the just the, you know, stuff that has to be done in the temple, the animals, calling off the carcasses, you know, that kind of work. But these two guys would have been seen as spiritual because it connected them to the temple. But you know from this story, that doesn't make you spiritual at all. Because you can just walk by and then cross the other side of the road and just keep on going. I mean, so I do think it's for people that view our church experience in the 21st century that you're going to the temple on Sunday and you're offering up your ties of worship to the Almighty and then you leave and go.

And that's what you just did to be spiritual. So if you've got that mindset, you're going to be just like these two guys. Yeah, I think that's what Jesus is. He was looking for grace motivated. That's right. You know, Catholicism has a little nest where you go in and sit down. And one of the priests, he sits down over there and he listens to you. Your confessional, yeah, both.

Which, it's a pretty good idea. It's a great idea. But you can do that. But we tend to do it without the. But Jay's did it at the oil chain's place. Yeah. I mean. I'm not even sure how we got that.

That's the difference right there. I'm saying right. I mean, Jason's story prove what we're talking about here that you can have a confessional while you're getting your inspections. That becomes the booth, you know? It was a very spiritual conversation. It was long, you know.

Yeah. It was, I think I was making their work slower because they were standing there and talk. Because finally I said, well, I think I need to pay somebody. and they're like, oh, yeah, yeah. I mean, they hadn't even had it written up because we were just sitting around talking. I mean, I was kind of like, are we done? If individuals went out and do what Catholicism did with one person,

you go over to see some guy, you know, them priests. But I think the way this is just everyday events, things that happen, you can kind of prove who you are and who you're not, that's for sure. I think it's the best way to live. And I think it was the whole point Jesus is trying to make because you had this expert in the law member that was coming in with this premise. And Jesus was like, no, you missed it.

You missed the whole deal. Let's take another. So it comes out that mercy became the thing. And I think Jason is right. I think that particular story leads to the love your neighbor. You know, who is my neighbor? Then I think we got into the story on the last podcast with Lisa was on about Mary and Martha, which kind of hits that first aspect.

The more I've thought about, the more I think you're right, about being all in on who God is. Love the Lord of God without your heart, so minus right. This is sort of an illustrative story of these two women. One of them doing good things, opening her house up, having an opportunity for Jesus, but then really not, she was dragged away by her worries and her, you know, the stuff we talked about on the podcast, whereas Mary was all in on just listening, learning, you know, who Jesus was. So I do think there's something to that that leads us into the, into the prayer conversation.

Yeah, it does, because I think Jesus is really identifying what you think you need versus what he knows you need, which is why when he did get to the explanation of prayer, and we get to the end which Phil read in the last podcast when he says in verse 13 if you then though you are evil know how to give good gifts to your children how much more will your father in heaven give the holy spirit to those who ask him so that was right after he said verse 11 which of you fathers if your son asks for a fish will give him a snake instead or if he asks for an egg will give him a scorpion. So this is, this comes down to trust.

I mean, and this is a classic example. I mean, Martha was passionate. I think she thought she was, she was doing the right thing, and Mary should be helping her. Yeah. But, you know, I think that's when it comes to prayer. If you think that you're in control,

which Martha obviously did, that may be a recipe. pee for for the need for a heart change right there right because you think about it she's putting her value in that but in essence this whole thing is about us humbling ourselves before the lord and him supplying the power just think of all the verses to the churches you know the power it's in jars of clay to show that it's the power from god not us so when you think you're in control and the more busy you are that somehow how you get your value and because that's what happens you feel like oh i'm doing good look at look at look at what i've done i'm making right decisions and somewhere in there

jesus is saying that's too you're you're putting your emphasis on what you can do way too much you're too busy being you and then asking god to assist you with your plans and your agenda instead of the opposite. So, I mean, it's a really profound movie. It was very convicting to me the more I got into this. Yeah. Because we all get busy thinking, hey, we're doing this, we're doing this, we're doing this. And he's like, oh, you're forgetting. Sometimes you have to have that humble spirit. And I think you see that even in the prayer. He tells us how to pray, but then he really addresses kind of your attitude as you pray. And it's got to be submissive, you know, especially when you read like things like not your, not my will, but your will be done. And just the way the prayer works as far as the childlike spirit,

you know, it's forgive us and for we lead us not into temptation. It's not a selfish thing. Right. It's a prayer of, it's like a bunch of. It's like a bunch of. of children praying to their father who, you know, and I made that analogy on the last podcast, I think that's really when you're getting into that because they tend to be more trusting. They don't, they're not as bitter. They tend to be, they're not prejudiced at all. I mean, they don't have agendas.

It's like once we get older, we come up with all these really bad qualities. but in your relationship with God what he's trying to say and you see that Mary and Martha, you're going to have to get that from me. Right. And I think that's the more difficult part. I think submissive is the word that comes to my mind when you said that because you're right.

He brings out this concept of Father here and we're going to see this all throughout the Gospels. And it's kind of an odd, if you think about it, because he mentions, you know, being he is God, he was with God in the beginning. And we know thinking about the Godhead that Jesus and God, it's not like he's a lesser God, because there's been a lot of false heresy come in

that somehow Jesus really wasn't God. He couldn't have become flesh and become one of us and be God. But he did. He is. And so he views his relationship with the father as a father. And so that, but that trips people up days because, you know, they're just like, well, How does that work?

I mean, how are you equal to a father and yet willing to submit to him as he doesn't breathe? Well, I think he's introducing the idea that this is going to function as a family. I do too. So, like if you read from Ephesians 3 when Paul wrote the Ephesians, I think this was the same concept he was trying to get across. So in verse 14, it says, for this reason, of course, he's talking about Jesus reconciling the world and bringing Jew and Gentile together under one roof at the foot of the cross, kind of the same message that Jesus is showing by having an illustration about the Samaritan,

other Gentiles up to this point, or what you call the untouchables. So then he says, from whom, verse 15, Ephesians 3, the whole family in heaven and on earth derives its name. And so all of a sudden we're talking about a forever family, a spiritual family. And even in that prayer, when he was talking about in Matthew's version, heaven and earth coming together. Because really heaven, for the first time, through the kingdom of God on earth, is being introduced to earth.

You can be part of a forever family, even though you have a physical. family on earth, which is what he is referring to when he says, you know, who is my, who is my mom and my brothers, which we had read earlier? Yeah, and he uses that same reference throughout the prayer, too. Let's take our last prayer. So then Paul says, verse 16, I pray that out of his glorious riches, he may strengthen you or power through his spirit in your inner being, which sounds a lot like the prayer that he just went through saying,

I'm going to give you what you ask, which we'll get into that next podcast. But he's like, I'll give you the Holy Spirit, which is way more than whatever you think you won't, or kind of like the Martha situation. The fruit of the Holy Spirit, and you start listing all the qualities of that. Well, this is abounding what he's going to give you.

So then he says, so that Christ may dwell in your heart, through faith, which is why I said you only get a handle on these types of radical behavior of loving your enemies and helping people out no matter what the circumstance or no matter what you get out of it, but you get that from Christ, the example. So then he says, so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith, and I pray that you being rooted and established in love, may have power together with all the saints to grass, how wide and long and how high and deep is the love of Christ,

which is what we're trying to grasp, which is what Mary was trying to grasp. That's why she was at his feet. Right. And to know this love that surpasses knowledge that you may be filled to the measure of all the fullness of God. And this is where I was trying to get to.

So now to him who is able to do immeasurably more than all we ask or imagine, which is really what our prayer lives should be. according to his power that is at work within is to him be glory. I mean, I just think it's a good practical example about we should be asking, knocking, imagining, but it's all done through his eyes and based on the response of his love for us. I mean, that's the picture he's good. I mean, there's a marked difference, a marked difference.

If you watch the family structure and the dad was a solid, son of God, but the mother is not, then you have the kids coming up. There's a big difference, and then you say, well, what if it was turned around? The wife, the woman, was the daughter of God, but the husband was not. There is a difference when you observe that. I mean, there's a difference between them. It's a pretty clear difference. You know what I'm saying?

Oh, yeah. And what's interesting, Dad, is that... The impact it has on the children, one way or the other. Right. But not good if the mom and dad are not prayerful. Right. Brother. Well, what happens is...

Kingdom, loving... People a lot of times don't have any example. They've never seen what we're describing in their own home. That is correct. So then they hear about Jesus and they hear about and talk about Father and family. And they see that and they think, well, man, that seems pretty good. But why was mine... so crappy and bad. But if you think about it, it's a perfect illustration. If you see somebody

that has submitted their lives to God and they're trying to lead their family that way, it seems like a better structure. But if you haven't seen that, then you should want a better structure. I mean, like there's no reason to say, well, you know what? That just seems too good to be true, so I'm just going to live a crappy life and do it for generation. I mean, the alternative of that choice seems like such a bad idea. I get it that it's not easy because you hadn't seen it, but when you do see it, it should make you...

If you see the ones who come out of the world and they don't go back to it, they look at these verses and they fulfill them. I mean, it's just a lot better family unit. I'm sorry, it's a way better way to road. And some people, when they're traveling down this road, they're kind of in and they're out and they have some good years and some bad years. We had the opportunity to see a stark change because of you and mom. And so we just literally saw like the bad highway and the good highway just like that,

although you're not perfect. But you made such a- They didn't take rocket scientists as young bucks to look around and say, this is the best route. It's the best route. And even though it took, you know, me a while to get there, I mean, I know now. I know that's the way to go. So when I look at my children now and my grandchildren,

I mean, my oldest grandchild is in a relationship that one day could be another marriage. You're a great-granddaughter. Yeah. And when I look at that and I see that, I'm thinking we have to continue this on in their lives. They have to see that and they have to know that. I mean, four generations. And there's two family structures in the mix. That's right.

I mean, one on her side, the granddaughter, and then the one on the – But fortunately for you, he's a son of God. All these are – we're working together. Oh, yeah. Yeah, we had a powwow together. It's a tedious, tough. It's better observe what's going on. That's right.

It's pretty tough, out. No, it is tough because we're fighting an enemy that is out to destroy this. I think Jesus is laying out the toughness of it. He is. There's no doubt about it. It's not that simple. Right. It's not.

I mean, Jason read that prayer. Paul's Prayer in Ephesians 3 is one of the best prayers in the whole Bible. There's several great ones, but that's one of the best because it's strives. strives for, when you're talking about what you imagine to me, that strives for excellence. I mean, because I can imagine a lot of stuff. Well, he started this off talking about marriage, you know, and that he's going to get to talk about our marriage responsibilities and our roles and our family and our physical family. But it's always a mirror to, you know, I love that way in Ephesians where he says, I mean,

yes, you should do this, but I'm talking about you and Christ, us being married as to, you. to Jesus. So, and that's why you see us be hypocritical as human beings. Because I've had people say, and we all see this as marriages drift apart, and all of a sudden, you know, one of those married, they start pursuing other interests. Because they feel like this marriage that they've been in is suppressing them and keeping them down. And they want to be able to do all that's imaginable or all that's possible. So I always ask that because I'm like, well, you know, what are you going to do if this does in?

And they're like, they're so full of hope, even though this is a disaster for their kids. And because they're like, oh, well, the possibilities are endless. And all of a sudden you're, you find yourself reminding them, well, isn't God? I mean, in one breath, the God's the God of possible, as long as it fits what you want to to do. That's right. But wouldn't it be possible for him to heal this marriage? Aren't there enough conversions in the Bible where you've seen people, including, you know,

from murderers to adulterers to, hadn't you seen God, you know, turn this around? But they're not thinking of it that way. It's only possible as long as I'm getting what I've decided to do. I'll pray to God to help me along the way. So really, that's where you've got to stop and think. Am I praying just for God to help me with my agenda? Because that's what Martha was really doing. She was like, get her.

She's done helping me. She made her case. And she was convinced she was right. And he was like, you miss the most important part of this. That's exactly right. It's not about you. It should have been about me and my agenda. But you don't know what it is because you're too busy.

to even listen. That's right. And it comes back to that listening. Look, that transfiguration when they were up there and God said that, when he said, listen to him, that sounds easy. But it's just very difficult

on a day-to-day basis for us to stop and listen. We talked about that Greek word for she was distracted, which the Greek word actually meant she was dragged away. You think about dragged away? Dragged away from what?

From Jesus, from listening to what he was saying? And he had broken the cultural norm by having to say, oh yeah, you said, I'll teach you as a woman like I would any man. I mean, he broke the cultural norm. Yeah. But instead of her accepting that, like Mary did, she was like, no, please tell her to get back in here in the kitchen where she belongs. But Jesus is like, no, she's chosen the right thing. And you should too, because you're worried about too much. So it really is a good

chatting of that. So you mentioned, J. Ephesians 3, which is such a good prayer. Before we get into what is called the Lord's Prayer, which actually probably a better description is the disciples' prayer because it was aimed at them. I want to read a prayer to you that is meaningful to Lisa and I that from in the book of Psalms, but there's so many prayers we could pray that would make an impact.

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