Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 741 | Phil Is Tempted to Go Treasure Hunting, Jase Falls for Clickbait & Meth in the Baptistry??

Episode Date: August 25, 2023

Jase dives into the shadowy world of the internet looking for treasure but finds a story about meth and self-baptism instead! Despite that, Phil is tempted to join Jase on one of his treasure hunts after hearing about what other people have found. The guys examine the relationship aspect of prayer and how our attitude toward our heavenly father is shaped by our earthly ones. The guys break down the elements of the most famous prayer in the Bible to see how God wants to be prayed to.  In this episode: Luke 11, verses 1–13; Matthew 6, verses 5–15; Matthew 13, verse 44; Hebrews 12, verse 28 — Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? Welcome back to Unashamed podcast. We're thinking Zach might be in. We never know these days. You know, Zat's getting to this place. I don't know if his movie making or what, but he's... 24 hours ago, he said he was in on this.

Yeah. But now he's at an undisclosed location doing undisclosed things because nobody's able to read. Well, you used to, he'd send me a text back in the day. Now I hear from our people who have heard from his people that, you know, here's what may be going down was that. He actually sent me a text, but it was an article about treasure hunting. And he's like, this is, this is getting real. So I was, he didn't know, but I was familiar with the article.

because supposedly some boys, they found some Civil War gold, coins and all, you know, in a field. So in an effort to do the right thing, it was so much of it. And we're talking about millions of dollars. In an effort to do the right thing, you know, they call the authorities because they thought, here's this piles of hidden gold. and so the FBI shows up and they said, well, y'all leave because we're going to undergo an investigation,

so they wouldn't let them hang around. Well, the next thing you know, they can't get access the guys who found the stuff, and it's been going on for months. So now the people who found it, they're accusing the FBI of stealing it. because now why am i not shocked i'm not either so the fbi i said no no there was no gold they we have found no signs of it and the guys are like oh no we saw it we called jolly so it's kind of

one of these he said you know we said type of type of uh deal so but i'm pretty sure the fbi is going to win and so yeah i'm like yeah i'm familiar but what's funny is when he said he's sent me that article, or right below it, the link that he sent me, which I know that's hard for you to wrap your head around, Phil. There was another article that I thought was a little more interesting because it said, man arrested at local church because he tried to baptize himself. So I thought, well, let me see what that's about. So when I clicked on it, he tried to baptize himself? Well, that's what the, what do you call it? That's what the headline was.

But as you read the story, so I turned around and sent that back, I clicked on it and sent that back to Zach. Yeah. I said, I find this more interesting. And so Zach was like, what in the world? I mean, that's crazy, you know, but Zach didn't read the article. He did, he clickbaited it. He only went off the headline.

I said, well, why don't you go ahead and read the article like I did? on the one you sent me before you jumped to conclusions on what that meant. So the guy does $8,000 worth of damage breaking into the place. And then when they interviewed him, he said once he got in there and done all this damage,

he felt somebody lead him to baptize him and push him under the water. He's like, And so he kind of had a story here. He was like, somebody baptized me that was invisible. But the key phrase next was that crystal meth and drug paraphernalia was found on this guy. So I'm like, okay, well, I'll put all the pieces together. This was not about a guy trying to baptize himself.

This was a guy high on crystal meth who broke into a church. Church, to steal some stuff. to steal some stuff, couldn't figure out how to get out because he was high. And then he thought, well, if I baptized myself, they'll have to forgive me. And now I'm appealing for forgiveness. And that, they made a story about it. And there it was. So, but I told.

Well, I baptized one yesterday. I hope that wasn't their beef. He may have been the second real. Would you tell that story about it? It reminds with old Delmar on the, O. were out there when he got baptized. And he said, he told me I was forgiven for that bank job I did up in Yazoo City. I thought you said you didn't do that.

Well, I love it. And I lied and I'm baptized for that too. Yeah, I love it old guy. He said, he walked down into the baptistry pool. And I looked, he was coming down the stairs, coming into the water. And he said, do you mind if I take my shirt off? And I said, no problem. And he took his shirt.

off, he was tatted up. He's like that movie. The guy said, I don't know whether to meet him or read him. Yeah. But he had a lot of, he had a, it was solid tattoos. Yeah. I thought, hmm, I just, it just stood out. But he wanted that to be seen, I guess.

Well, I guess he just felt like he'd gone to all that trouble. He might as well just lay that in there too. I think so. It reminds me our old buddy Taylor, who's, he was coming from California to Florida for a new job opportunity. He's a stunt man. And he listens to the podcast. I know he'll hear this. He wanted to get baptized.

And so we baptized him. But it was still pretty cold. It was like late February. And I said, well, you want to, you know, put something on kind of warm? He said, oh, no, no, I'm good. So when he comes out, it's just me, you and Dan there. He's got nothing but his skivvy zone. Yeah.

And I was like, are you sure, man? Because I'm telling you this water. He said, oh, no, I'm going in. I'm like a newborn baby. It wasn't quite all the way, but he didn't have much. And it was, I said, it's going to be cold. He came up by that water, yelp, and I said, is that because of cold or the Holy Spirit? He said, I'm fired up.

He's a new brother. So it was pretty funny. You know, you never know. Yeah. He's doing good, though. I stay in contact with him. He's following the Almighty, so that's good. So unfortunately, I can't solve those two cases, but I'm pretty sure the guy who's been baptized.

So were the articles linked? Like, what was the? No, it was just like the next article. You know, it was the next one in the hop. I was trying to figure out what the meth had had to do with the... Well, it was just, you read this. This might interest you. Right.

Which I didn't see the connection, but they did. So did the guys sue the government? Have they sued the FBI over the... Oh, yeah. It's an ongoing battle. You know what's sad is there would have been a day when you wouldn't have even thought twice. Oh, no, these guys are crazy because the FBI. But there's been so much happening in the last, like, eight to ten years.

with the FBI and now, but I was like, you're not sure. I mean, like used to be, I would always say, oh, it does seem a little far-fetched

that they would just make this up. Yeah. That, you know, now look, the authorities are saying, hey, they're making it up.

It ain't there. And in one time, I would have said, yeah, the FBI's not going to lie about me. Now, I'm like, I don't know, there's been some lying going on.

You're talking about millions of dollars involved. So what is, so tell me this, then you're, because you're the guy that does this now. What should they have done? Like, did they do the right thing? And maybe if they did,

assuming what they say is true, what is the protocol for what should they have done? They had permission to be there? You know, what's crazy is, is if they'd been in Europe, you know, England is the most liberal place for treasure hunters in a good way. You can go hunt anywhere.

as long as you turn it in to the government. Okay. And they will give you the money value of whatever you find. So they want it so they can have it for prosperity. Well, it's older. You know, England's a lot older than America. So they're like, we want the stuff. So have it.

But we'll pay for it. If you try to haul it out of here without letting us know. That's actually a good way. We're going to throw you in prison. I love their procedure. Right. So. Because what are you going to do with it anyway, except just have it?

In America, it's more about the landowner. Whoever owns the land, you work out a deal. So where the guys who supposedly found the gold, you know, if they contacted the authorities, to me, that's where they messed up. They should have just worked it out with the landowner. That's it. I think in an effort. Never bring the government in on it.

Yeah. Exactly. Because they didn't have to. to if the landowner you make out a deal with him now maybe there's more to the story i mean you know i i don't really believe a lot of what you read no exactly half of what you read about me on the internet is just absolutely false or dad yeah so you can't you get you had to maybe i probably not getting the whole story i get so upset with because there's somebody almost every day that i encounter people that come to me and say oh do you hear about what happened and then they tell me

some new story they read on the internet. I'm like, well, how do you know that's true? And they're like, well, why would they make it up? I said, well, they make up half the stuff on me about it. Why would they do that? They're like, oh, that's not true. No. I mean, and just crazy things.

Yeah. So I don't know why people in America, for some reason, a lot of people think that everything they read on the internet is true. And it's just absolutely false. There's even commentaries about the Bible on there that just couldn't be any. further from the church. Somebody just,

there's stuff in the encyclopedias and all that. It's just false. I'll be on the road somewhere and they'll say, you know, I'm worried about your dad. And I said, why are you worried about dad? Then they tell me some story. And I said, well, that's not true. They're like, well, I read that. And I was like, yeah, but I was just with him yesterday.

That's what you read. He doesn't have brain cancer. Trust me. Well, I've had people come up and say, well, you know, look. I've forgiven you. And I'm like, do I know you? Well, I sent you 15 Facebook private messages and you never responded. I said, I had been on Facebook in five years.

And I wouldn't even know how to click on a private message. So whatever you thought, that relationship, what kind of goes in with what we're talking about, you're sending a message to a person that's not there. That's not prayer. That's not a relationship. That's just you believing in something that doesn't exist. He had a guy come up to Sunday after I preach this, and he said, yeah, I thought. I said, boy, no, Al, he's preaching.

He said, he read old, and he mentioned a guy's name post on Facebook. He said, you've been reading that? What that guy's been saying now? And I said, I'm not on Facebook. I don't know what you're talking about me. He said, well, I feared you were just to responding to him. I said, let me tell you how it works with me and preaching. I don't preach to respond to anybody about anything.

I take a text and I preach that text. If what I said goes against what you. been reading on Facebook, then that's somebody else's problem. But in his mind, he was thinking, yep, oh, wow, he's decided to deal with this brother. And I'm like, no, that's not the way I've ever approached preaching. I don't shoot from people from the box. Yeah. So you got what's fake, and then you got what probably happened in, like, those two stories,

you can kind of figure it out just common sense. I do think the treasure thing is a little bit harder to wrap your head around. because it even though we don't and i hope it's not true i hope that what it seems to be is not true because that would be terrible if it was yeah that that would happen to somebody but i've always wondered jays because you know it's out there like i'm not surprised that this would happen and i hope sometime it'll happen where you can actually see it because you know that people have buried gold and stuff oh the america's a big place and we've had a lot of stuff going on for the last A month ago, somebody...

There's a lot of stuff buried in the ground. I shared this about a month ago. You know, some farmer in Kentucky, I mean, he just, he, he unearthed hundreds of coins. I think it was 850 coins or whatever. And they're all gold coins from the Civil War era worth millions of dollars. A couple of the coins he had were rare and they were worth millions by themselves. But, you know, he just gathered. That was without a metal detector.

Of course, I think he took some of the coins and went and bought him every metal detecting device. He's probably now the biggest. He's scoured the landscape after that. He's the largest metal detector in the state of Kentucky then. That was obviously some very loot that, you know, his disc happened to hit. And, hey, that's why land. We went through a period of stagecoach and traveling hauling. Oh.

So the possibility of unearthing something rare is still there. Oh, yeah. Keep this up, or you're going to come out there and go metal detecting with me. I'll see the allure. It's like, you know, on the coast, like I'm down the coast. You're thinking about the pirates and, you know, the booty of the pirates and bearing it in the cave over here. And, I mean, you just think that it's out there. Oh, I was, you know, we went a few weeks ago, and I was with a guy who found a gold coin out, I mean, from the 1800s, you know.

Yeah. Boy, you're talking about going to go nuts. I mean, just think about that. You find a gold coin that's been buried for a couple hundred years that's worth a lot of money. That's just one. I can't imagine finding 850 of them. Yeah.

Lisa and I were at the beach that there comes a guy, peep, beep, beep. But it was all like pop tops and aluminum can stuff. Well, the problem with the beach is you're not just the way the silt works. You're not going to find anything real old unless you're, you're in a place that's, you know, that's not silted in, which there are. They're more looking for rings and stuff that people lost last week, you know. In the last year, I went on the beach and I had my detector because I was going with somebody else, but I was just kind of didn't have anything else to getting in the mood.

I bet I found 50 coins. Now, they were all modern. Yeah. I'm saying in less than an hour, I found 50. So, I mean, you can go buy a couple of happy meals or whatever. But at least pay for your life. So it's there. That's right.

I mean, I proved it. It's just. I heard about people finding rings and stuff and all that, which is pretty cool. Let's take a break. All right, well, that's interesting, Jay's. We'll have to get Zach's take on that next time. If we ever find him, I'm sure he'll emerge at some point. Well, true treasure.

You know, we're always on our TV show because treasure has various definitions and meanings. But there's a lot in the Bible about treasure. And I think one of the most underrated treasures is that God has given us access to Him through Jesus. And so I always think about that Romans 5, you know, we've been given access to the throne of heaven. Right. And to God, our father. And so I do think, I told you what I think. Now, you have, this is mentioned twice.

You have Matthew 6. I feel like we ought to read at least the prayer in Matthew 6. What was the text about, you know, he found, somebody who's found some kind of treasure and he bought the whole thing. Oh, I love that passage. Jesus mentioned that. As a treasure hunter. Yeah, you just buy the whole field.

He bought the whole field because he just wants to live there. That is talking about Jesus and the rata. nature of discovering who Jesus is. I mean, you find him and you just sell everything you have by the field and live there. I mean, that is a depiction of the relationship and your response to Jesus. And it is interesting that I didn't think about it too. You just said that, Jay. It is treasure if you just get to looking at the definition of treasure.

It is. But what's interesting is. We've run up on it here. Jace mentioned the two ways of looking at the Brits look at it from a more socialist point of view because that's their government, that the government, everything belongs to them. And so they are willing to pay, which is good, but that they're the government. But in America, it's the landowner, which interestingly enough, Jesus' parable says the land, whoever owned that land had rights to that treasure because you go and buy the land. So Jesus actually was, it sounds like, Well, that came from the pounding father there.

That's right. Yeah, that's Matthew. And maybe that's why they thought of it. Matthew 13, 44. The kingdom of heaven is like treasure hidden a field. When a man found it, he hit it again. Then in his joy went and sold all he had and bought that field. Of course, then he says, again,

the kingdom of hairs like a merchant looking for fine pearls. When he found one of great value, he went away and sold everything he had and bought it. Yeah. But the land, that's true. But it's like when you find something, which is what we do on a weekly basis, you're looking for one thing. Once you find the one thing, you know there's other things in the area. So that's why you would buy a field because you're like, oh, I found the X.

Yep. Which is the same principle. Yep. Even as old as the Bible writings are, they do bring that up as far as humans are concerned. I mean, the worth of, you said, well, he's spot on. But you mentioned the founders. They had the wisdom. They knew we had a big parcel of land here and some people willing to go out.

And you know what they said? You go out there and homestead it. That land is yours. You own that now. And so if you make something of yourself, collectively will be a country. But that was pretty smart because we went from one end of the other. It's a sign. It still holds, but it's like Jay said, if you get the government now and Bob, they weren't there a couple hundred years ago.

Right. And you want to go back and say, you took it from those people and that people? Yeah, so it gets into. I mean, who knows what that story. But still, it's a sign. Even the story, you know, about the guy baptized himself. You know, I told Zach, I was like, there's a lesson in here somewhere. Somebody asked me, by the way, Jay.

It's a reminder, though, that these people, I mean, our world is in need of a. a savior. I mean, that is the lesson here. You got somebody breaking in, his own drug, trying to steal your stuff, and then he's baptizing himself. I mean, there's something, you see some spiritual warfare that's not very far from your door. That's right. I guarantee you. So in Matthew 6, now he, they, Matthew just has, you know, when you pray, within the sermon on the Mount. Right. He, he, he had a lot, when Luke did that version of, you know, he, he, he had a lot of, when Luke did that version of, that it was a lot more condensed but matthew includes this in this so it's which i think most scholars

agree you know what we call the sermon on the mouth they just took a collection that's right things he said here's what jesus had to say about this so in verse five it says and when you pray do not be like the hypocrites for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men i tell you the truth they ever see their roar and full but when you pray go in your room, close the door, pray to your father who is unseen, then your father who sees what is done in secret will reward you. And you remember a couple podcasts ago, I made a big illustration about, I'd read that somewhere where someone said, you know,

the true religion, besides the James passage, you know, helping with as an orphan's art, it's what you do in your solitude because if you're not busy, you have nothing to, do you're just sitting there what you think about during those moments are usually what's most important to you because there's no distractions and whatever you're thinking about that's what's most important and when you read something like this if you find the lord in that in your solitude then you don't feel the need to have to be so busy in contrast also and that's why i said when you when you look up on the internet things to keep yourself busy they've come up with so much frivolous stuff and that's

why social media and all this stuff is so attractive because people don't want to be left alone to think especially those who don't have a relationship with god because then it becomes scary yeah it becomes self-absorbed and so you read something like this you there's a piece here that you have a relationship with this invisible being you know through jesus and that's really what prayer is, is this, you being honest with yourself and your soul and your desires and you're giving that to God and asking for his will in your life. It is the greatest component of prayer. That's why it's talked about so much and so much by Jesus is the reflective nature of it and the idea that I'm removing myself from noise

to connect with the Almighty. There's a power to that. Yeah, it is. So verse 8 of Matthew 6 really, I think, does tie in to the same as Luke's account because it says do not be like them because he had said they go on babble and go on for your father here's the key phrase knows what you need before you ask him so the skeptic would say well why do we have to ask you then why don't he just give it to and you're missing the the sonship the father's son relationship the family of god all these references we keep bringing up which is what Luke is bringing up and hear Matthew the same way, you're missing the relationship aspect of what the Lord is. He didn't just give us a rule book. He didn't say, do this, keep the law, and if you keep it

pretty well, you know, I'll bless you, all these things, religion come up. He didn't say all that. This is about a being who is loving. He wants relationships with his creation, with human beings, and he wants it to last forever, you know. That's the way he designed. is forgiveness is a powerful thing oh no doubt it's a powerful thing which is why he's going to add that yeah so he says this then is how you should pray and i love matthews verse he says it says our father it's not even a yeah you know selfish thing and we we realize the family is bigger than me and god desires all of us to be his children forever in heaven hallowed be your name, which is hallowed, you know, set apart, holy, different from the world.

I'm just giving you different definitions of that word. Your kingdom come, your will be done on earth as it is in heaven. And that's such a powerful statement that we'll talk about because God's coming kingdom that has been the point of Luke 1 through 9. The kingdom is coming. John the Baptist said it. Jesus said, the kingdom is near. It's at hand.

It's over and over and over and over. The kingdom is coming. He sent people out to say, what are they preaching? The kingdom is at hand. The king is here. So it's for the first time since Jesus was here. You're getting the possibility of heaven coming down to earth. That's right.

Which is amazing when you think about that. And the prayers to be able to submit to that. Let's take another break. Give us, verse 11, today our daily bread, which I think ties into the Mary and Martha situation also. Forgive us our debts. So here's the need for a pardon. Because think about it, ultimately that's what Jesus gave us all. You know, was a pardon.

There's a debt. We owe someone has to pay for the sins we commit. and the mistakes we made. There's a debt. So he's like, forgive us our debts. We also forgive our debtors, which Jesus' death on a cross, the ultimate pardon, became our catalyst for us to be able to forgive others because we're seeing it in that life. And by the way, Luke used the word sins and the word debt here is Matthew,

but it makes sense because Matthew writing to a more Jewish audience, they understand the atonement for sin concept. up. So that's, I mean, they knew what that meant. He wasn't talking about money. Right. And he, and Matthew's version, he kind of explains it more than 14 and 15. But so 13 says, and lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one. For if you forgive men when they sin against you, your Heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive men with their sins, your father will not forgive you. And look, that has become a bit hard for some people to wrap their head around.

if you don't really acknowledge that God's plan of salvation through Jesus on a cross for your forgiveness, you don't have the basis to forgive. The capacity. So you're just might say that to use as a pawn, but that's where true forgiveness comes from. Yeah, it's not a, you're exactly right. I'm glad you clarify that because a lot of people see that as kind of a, we would call it a quid pro quo.

In other words, if I have to forgive people or else God's not going to forgive me, as if somehow it's the burden of only wanting what God is going to give me. But I think your take is right. It's more of a capacity. If I can't forgive other people, I can't accept the forgiveness of God. Yeah, it's kind of like I get embittered. Yeah, it's kind of like last podcast, we were talking about marriages and all. And, you know, I get involved in these situations and you give people advice.

And you're like, you know, there's a lot of times. I'll be talking to the guy and you know missy's talking to the girl. Yep. I'm talking to the guy and I'm like, look, you know, you need some, need some serious counseling here. And a typical response will go, well, if I get counseling, then that may be used against me if, you know, a divorce does happen because they're like, why were you getting counseling? And I'm like, this is not the basis where reconciliation can take place. If you're only going to say you're sorry, you can't say you're sorry, because then that means there's something I was sorry for. I'm admitting I did something wrong.

Yeah, which now can be used against me in a court of law. And so it's so frustrating because you're like, you don't see how it's possible for reconciliation. And I think in the same vein, that's what Matthew is capturing in what Jesus said. It's like if you've got all this worked out in your mind on how this is going to make you look good, you're not going to be a forgiver and you're not going to be forgiven. That's right. It's just not going to work. There's nothing, you know, self-promoting about you falling on your knees and saying, I'm sorry, I've screwed up. I'm an idiot.

Yes, people will take advantage of that. Right. They will view that as weakness or view it as you being a simple person. But in reality, I mean, look at what Jesus did for us to pay for that. I think he got the worst end of that. We've had people come to us before, and the process has already begun for divorce. And so they're under varying rules of the state, Louisiana. You know, you can't do this, and there's a restraining order here, and there's this,

there's that and they come in sometimes together, but usually it's just a person that says, well, we need you to help us. And I'm always like, look, I'm just going to be honest with you. I do my best work in trying to restore people, both to God and to each other. Once we get the state of Louisiana involved, I'm pretty much at a loss for being able to help you anymore. I want you to know God still loves you, but I'm more into the trying to help you kind of get this thing reconcile. All right.

And it's a challenge. Yeah. So in Luke's version, you know, it's basically the same, but I do think it's coming off this story of Mary and Martha, which I really do not think that he did this by accident. This is very purposeful. It's really going to help you understand prayer when you look at Mary at the feet of Jesus,

and Jesus bragging on her about that, and Martha being too busy doing good things, but relying on her, ability rather than even this simple statement give us each day our daily bread you know she's she's she has to get all the stuff together and you know there's a lot of prep and and look he's not saying that stuff is not important but it has to filter through what is the most important thing in your life and it must be your relationship with god your response to jesus and the holy spirit work and in your heart it just that that has to be seen in everything you do whether it's a

banquet or your normal routine of life this is just what we can't do in the in our church attendance is think that's that's what he's called me to do show up at a church building a couple times a week you know that what there's no relationship in that anybody can attend a concert And I do think it's interesting, Jay, just the way the disciples asked him about this prayer, they said, Lord, teach us to pray, which you think they would have just could have stopped right there because of watching him, because several times he's been wrong. They thought it would be a big. Well, but they add in, just as John taught his disciples, I just thought that was a weird way to ask Jesus about it.

That is terrible. You know, because it's almost like, well, you know, you. You know, we're looking at those guys. And I wonder if it goes back to, remember when they got that little tap from the Pharisees? Like, why don't your disciples fast? Yeah. You know, like John's do and like we do. So it's almost like they're trying to please somebody other than Christ.

I just thought the way they asked that was kind of weird. Let's take another break. Well, you know, it's interesting. You're right. If you go down and Matthew Martin and John, look at every time Jesus withdraws himself to pray, it's tons a lot. a ton. And so that's why I said,

if you really want to see where you're at in your faith and in your relationship, you need to go to the solitary confinement. And I'm bringing that up on purpose. You know, most people in our country, I read a poll somewhere that says, you know, 90% of people polled in America are against solitary confinement,

which we, they're, it's going on in our prisons. Oh, yeah. Because they're like, oh, that's so cruel. and look, it is. But my point is, the reason that makes you uncomfortable is because that's really where you get down to what's going around in your heart. Well, if you're not, you know,

don't have a relationship with God, I'm sure it is terrible. But Jesus, he seemed to welcome solitary confinement because that's where he, that's really where his true character came out because he has a relate, he is God, you know, he has this relationship. The Apostle Paul spent a lot of time.

time for filling what Jesus is saying there. He experienced it. And by all along, I mean, locked down. You're talking about that sort of taken by. Well, that's what... And even in Paul's case, right after he had his, you know, road to Damascus moment, he goes out into the Arabian desert for three years. Yeah.

And disappeared. And he had some serious alone time. He spent a long time, a lot of time. But you know, Jay's funny because you say that. I've got a guy that I worked with years ago, and he had gotten into some bad stuff, and he got arrested, and he wound up having to go to jail for a year, and because he had been in law enforcement, he had to spend 23 hours out of every day in protective, they call it protective custody inside the jail, which meant he was by himself.

And, you know, he told me that saved his soul, because we had already started working before he went in, but he said, you want to do some self-reflection? You spend a year, 23 hours out of every day, a year, just you and the Almighty and reading his Bible and stuff I was sending him. And he came out of there a completely different man. And now that's been probably 15 years ago. He has completely changed his life. But he said, that time I spent that 23 hours a day, shape me because there was nowhere to go. I couldn't hide from myself. I can see the power of it. It was very powerful. I mean, just to make the point to reiterate it, to go back to Matthew, you know, in Matthew 6.4, when you give, it says, you know, your giving should be done in secret so that your father who sees what is done in secret will reward you.

Well, in 6.6, it says when you pray, you know, go into your room, close the door. Pray to your father. Who is unseen. Then your father who sees what is done in secret will reward you. When he gets to fasting, same thing, verse 18, the unseen father who sees what is done in secret. I mean, when the Bible is constantly repeating itself in the same chapter, you need to highlight that. So I'm not just, I didn't read this out of a book somewhere. I know that you're, whatever you're doing in secret by yourself with God or whatever you're thinking,

That's usually what's most important in your life. And so you've got to address that right off the top. Stop being so busy. Take a time out and say, because you can have the prayer like the Pharisee where you're just babbling on, but it's not an intimate secret. The prayers I'm trying to bring up are those when you're by yourself

or just thinking it's you and God. And I think that's what he's addressing here. So he tells his disciples in verse, one of chapter 11 on Luke because they said teach to say to pray as John taught his disciples and he said to them when you pray

say father or our father what is this yeah our father in heaven which is kind of you know all those are going to have the same wording as Matthew because it would be in some manuscripts and not in other so that's why you're well yeah when you see these little

letters behind the name so in the translation you know in English they have trouble with some of these, so they give you alternate phrases. So Father or our Father in Heaven, Hallib be your name, your kingdom come, give us each day our daily bread, forgive us our sins,

and we also forgive everyone who sins against us, which is similar to Matthew 6, Matthew's version, and lead us not into temptation, which I like Matthew 6, where it says, and deliver us from the evil one. Right.

So then, which unlike what Matthew did, he then kind of goes into the spirit of your attitude in the prayer through a parable. Because then he says, suppose one of you has a friend and he goes to him at midnight and says, friend, lend me three loaves of bread. Because a friend of mine on a journey has come to me and I have nothing to set before him. So this seems a little weird at first So you got a person coming in And you're out of bread Which is not unlike something I've done

In my neighborhoods And I go To the next house And I guess if it was really important I would We just go in And I start looking around Last time I did this

Yep I didn't think anybody was at his house And then Jep came in He's like, what are you doing? I'm like, I'm looking in your refrigerator I think I was looking for some mustard. So then verse 7 says, Then the one inside answers, don't bother me.

The door's already logged and my children are with me in bed. I can't get up and give you anything. I tell you, though he will not get up and give him the bread because he is his friend, yet because of the man's boldness. Or persistent. Or, yeah, that's the other word, persistence. He will get up and give him as much as he needs.

So I say to you, ask, and it will be given to you, seek, and you will find knock, and the door will be open for you. For everyone who asks, receives, he who seeks, finds, and to him who knocks, the door will be open. So which of you fathers, if your son asks for a fish, will give him a snobes? snake instead or if he asks for an egg we'll give him a scorpion and this is really profound i know we've read this a few times so then he says if you then though you are evil causes disciples evil know how to give good gifts to your children how much more will your father in heaven give the holy spirit to those who ask him so there's a lot there's a lot and he and he sort of breaks those his little i guess you'd call it like parables but stories um into two segments one is the idea

of being persistent and bold in the asking and then the other one is the idea that you know god is going to provide i mean in his he's always going to give you what you need i guess is the way i've always looked at it not necessarily what you want but what you need i mean because he says you know he uses that illustration if you're you ask for something good, he doesn't give you something bad. Well, some of the translations where it said boldness, in verse eight where it said, yet because of the man's boldness,

some of the versions say shameless audacity. Yeah. And I want to bring this up because it's actually the opposite of, you know, when you read, where is it, Hebrews 12, where it says to be reverent and in all, I may have to look that up. Our God is a consuming fire. Yeah, that's at the end of Hebrews.

Let's take our last break. So this word is almost like the opposite of that. Yeah, with reverence and all. Therefore, Hebrews 1228, since we are receiving a kingdom that can't be shaken, let us be thankful. And so worship God acceptably, acceptably, reverence and all.

So it's kind of a controversial word. It's like shameless, audacious, without embarrassment, and it's not a contradiction, as some of the scholars, they have trouble with this. Yeah. But it's in a context of father and children, and there is something shamelessly audacious about kids with their request. Yeah, and they don't, they're not embarrassed.

You know, kids will say anything. And so I do think there's a spirit of that because he's true. trying to say, look, I want you to come to me to be blunt, to be persistent, to be, because the reason the guy gets up out of the bed in his story is because they're persistent. So when you think about it, you wouldn't go up to a door and just go. Well, you know, that may, the people inside may say, well, a bird flew into the door, maybe, or something fell. You know, he's saying, or like a kid would do, which.

would be go up there and just like they're like hey it is attention right they're out there and so i think that's the spirit of the prayer that that he was saying because you're so persistent and and seeking is more than just you know looking up how to get somewhere or what you know seeking is actually to put it in the treasure hunting like i mean i'm looking at old maps we're looking at the history i'm talking to people i'm not one you're seeking treasure, you're using all means necessary to find the best path forward and what's here. So I think that's the picture that he's given.

No, I like it. And it reminded me of a story that Joe Beam tells in this book, Getting Past Guilt, about this kid who the dad had told the kid to feed the hunting dogs. and he comes home that night and he walks by the dog cage and dogs don't look like they've eaten and he comes in and asks the son he said did you feed the hunting dolls did you feed the dogs like I told you to do and the kid said no doubt I forgot I'm sorry and he said no look when I tell you you didn't do it you know his dog's got to eat and he said I'm so sorry and he says it's okay just you know do what I tell you and so he said next day he comes in and sees him sitting under a tree and he's all sad and he's like what's the matter son he said well

I just, I didn't feed those dogs just down. I told you I was going to do it. I just, I messed up. He's like, well, I told you it was okay. And he said, eight years later, he graduated from high school. He's all sad on his graduation day. And he said, son, what's the matter? And he said, I didn't feed them hunting dogs like you told me eight years ago.

And I just feel bad about it. He said, son, I've forgiven you for that. Well, you can't hold on to that anymore. Five years later, he gets married as a kid. You're there. You're so excited. Your first grandbaby. He's all sad.

And you say, what is it, son? And he said, him hunting dogs. He said that Joe was telling this story in a counseling session he had with a man. And the man's looking at him because he couldn't get past something 25 years earlier. And he said, so what would you think about that? And this man who was counseling said, I think he didn't believe his daddy. And he said, then you need to believe yours. And so I thought about that in the context of this.

if your child has to believe you, but they also have to trust you enough to want to approach you. And I think that's part of what he's saying in this prayer is when you pray is, because Jay's thinking about you, you know, your kids are grown now and so are mine. But you, now it's grandkids, but you would never want them to feel like they couldn't approach you and ask you for anything. I mean, like, whatever was going on in their lives, you would want them to feel like they could come talk to you about it. Oh, I know. We just had, I don't know if I shared this before, but this just happened because Missy was telling, you know, now our kids are asking advice. We're not giving it because that's, that's a bad idea when you're trying to raise your kid's kids.

Yeah. You know, from a thousand miles away or whatever. But if they ask, you know, my wife will, you know, tell stories about with us, but a funny story. We can laugh now. It wasn't funny then. We could laugh about it now. She was telling my oldest son, she's like, well, you know, you remember. And my oldest son's wife, you know, they just laughed and laughed about this. But, you know, my oldest son was one, because the question came up of when do you start disciplining your kids? Because they have, I guess their oldest now is almost two. Almost two.

And she's like, well, your dad talking about me. Oh, he started in between that 18 month and two years. year that that's where and it wasn't that major but it was like I'd sit them down in church and you know I'd just a little a little pop and so my oldest son he pretty well got a pop every week for the next 17 years just the way it was but he was popworthy but the middle son uh he only got one one day in church but it was four times the same day I was like, we're not doing this, you know. I took him out.

So I brought him back in. Here we go again. Well, it just made Missy mad that I did that four times in one day. She was like, you know, I was changing his diaper. And it was just, you know, little red marks. And she was just like, but she said to her and, you know, my middle son, who's almost too, she's like, your dad's, he's just being a jerk, you know. She was mad that I had whipped him four times,

even though I never whipped him again. I mean, he got it, which turned out, I think I did the right thing. He challenged me one day and then said, you know what? Most well-behaved. Yeah, he was like, never again. But when she called me a jerk, well, what she didn't know is. That didn't help the cause.

Well, my four-year-old, my oldest son, was standing behind her, and she didn't know it. And he heard her say that. Of course, I had forgotten their story. Well, he ran and found me, and he said, hey, dad. He's like, yeah, he's four-year-old. So, mom just called you a jerk for whipping coal. So I said, go tell her to come here.

And he's like, why? And I said, jokingly, I said, because I'm fixed to give her a spanking. And they laugh. But then I remember that part because when she came down, I'm like, hey, you can't be cutting, cutting my judgment here to our four-year-old, you know, because she didn't realize. And look, she recognized that I shouldn't have done that. You know, I apologize.

I mean, she was completely apologetic because the fact that she just got busted for the first time. Because you now realize when you have small children, you've got to watch what you say. There's fun. Because they'll go tattletail on you in a heartbeat, you know. Yeah. And so it worked out. Yeah, I never heard that story before, Judge. That neither.

Well, it was a good story for her to tell them. I mean, we're all around the hood trying to figure out. We want these kids to grow up with some character. Whatever anyone else says, those two boys turned out well. Well, they did, and the Lord is good. But I just wanted to say, because look, it used to bother me when people would get up, you know, and they start praying, and they're like daddy and real emotional, you know. And I thought, oh, come on, dude.

you know but i do think there's something there realizing this was jesus's idea to put this in a father-son relationship but it's also he does discipline those he loves even that in hebrews 12 passage that we read about reverence and all you figure that out you read the first part of that yeah if god doesn't look approve of the way you're responding to him guess what he'll he'll send you some discipline yeah and he'll get your attention real quick so it's a combination of the both we do as we grow, we learn discipline and respect from God, but it is a relationship. We do pray with that unashamed audacity to the Lord. He wants you to be persistent. He wants to have that relationship, and you really see that in Luke. You have to trust that because they asked him how to pray, and this

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