Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 747 | Phil Salutes Women Everywhere & Did Jase Go See ‘Barbie’?!

Episode Date: September 6, 2023

Recalling Jase’s birth prompts Phil to salute women everywhere for their toughness. Jase has some thoughts about the “Barbie” movie, and a discussion about the grocery store leads Jase and Al to some self-realization. The guys and guest Kyle Thompson of the “Undaunted.Life” podcast discuss the relationship between Jesus and the Pharisees, legalism in the modern church, and why Jesus didn’t wash his hands.  In this episode: Luke 11, verses 37–54; Romans 1, verses 16–17; Exodus 19, verses 3–6 — Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? Does it seem like to you that every time you turn around, you're sitting here at the... Or I'm preparing to sit here? Yes, it does. That's what happens with podcast. It's either prepping or you're here. So we've said this before.

We do, when we record podcasts, we typically record two on the same day. So even though last podcast we brought up that it was Jason's birthday, it's still Jason's birthday. Crazy? It's three or four days. Three or four days have gone by, and yet we're still here celebrating that Jace is 54. And the only reason he knows that, as his daughter wrote it in his card. Yeah, I got my cards this morning because I wasn't sure how old I was, which is okay.

And my daughter was like, happy 54. I thought. Yes. Well, if you're 54 and I'm your father. You're old. I'm, I'm, Jayce, he is your father. I'm looking on my left and right and everything I see is death.

I mean, what are you going to do, be 60 and I'm still here. I mean, dad, I'm 58, so yeah, I'm going to be 60 here, you know, about a year and a half. I'm already ahead of the curve, in my opinion. Well, I'm thankful, Phil. It's a good birthday that you're still here. I remember when baiting the trot line, when Sire, run up on the bank. Well, you want to call him, Ms. Gager,

how he's already had that baby? I said, name him after you. Yeah. Kept baiting my line. I think he was actually, that was code. And he did. I think that was code for, come on, let's go to the hospital and see J's.

But you missed that code. I didn't see but one of y'all being birthed, but I saluted the females of the world. I said to go through that misery when I watched Jep being born Well that's good Phil You had a clarity Yeah

Yeah well your mom was Yeah you're teenagers When I was it's a wonder I'm still alive So Jason So you're going to see Barbie I understand on your birthday Is that what I heard? I'm not sure what that means

So I guess The reason I brought that up Is because our cracked staff here our producer of our podcast. I found out today that she was dragged to Barbie by other people on our staff that do our podcast. And I was like, so what, what has happened? You're going to have to define Barbie.

Or am I going to have to. You have to look it up and see. I'm not sure what that means. It's a cultural phenomenon. It's a big movie. It's a blockbuster. Oh, it's a movie called Barbie. It's called Barbie.

Let me just tell you right now. version of the Barbie doll, but it's an actual person. Oh. I was fixed to say no matter what it is, I don't go to see movies named Barbie. Just as a general rule. It's, I mean, whether it's... Well, we've been talking with Maddie. Maddie's, you know, she's newly married.

You know, she's, we love her. She's Mark and so we're trying to give her some marital advice. And so the first thing I say is, please don't tell me that you dragged your husband. You just went with some other girlfriends or whatever. And she said, no, he went with me. And I was like, oh, Maddie, we've got a lot of work to do. To tell you how far I am away from this conversation, when you first said that, I thought, is it a movie about barbara fences?

Or a shrimp on the Barbie? What about that? I wasn't familiar. No, I thought bar fences. That's where I went. I thought it was maybe some, you know, we were having some military deal. And it was about barbore fences. Survival.

the Barbie movie i like it i like where you go over that's where i was going so i was you know this this passage that that we're going to talk about today there's not a whole lot of scholars there's not there's not much information people don't want to talk about the pharisees and so i'm studying i'm looking i didn't find a whole lot but i'm thinking about the contrast between the Pharisees and jesus And so, you know, we have our two grandkids at our house. And so Missy summons me to make a grocery run. We had to have bananas and different things, different kids things. You know, my granddaughter, she's obsessed with bananas and had to get water to make bottles.

You know, we're back in the baby maintenance here, which is a full-time job when there's too little. Which was kind of good in a way because y'all had taken care of a baby. before you had grandkids, so you kind of got a little back-in. Oh, I know. That probably helped you a little bit. No matter what I do, I look around, and there's little toddlers. Just, ah. And so you're having to manage this, you know, which was interesting because when Reed got home last night,

so she threw a little fit, Maris. Well, Missy and I never moved, because I had seen the little drunk. She's got a little drama. I say fit. It's not a fit. It's just for... It's a play. Well, yeah, for whatever reason.

It's a walk to the middle of the floor. Fall out. And fall out in a dramatic way and start to cry. But then, which the first time it happened, I started to get up until she stopped crying and looked up to see if we were looking. And then I sat back down because I thought, oh, no. if this play won't work so but i noticed reid was looking at us and i'm like it's okay i got nothing here and after a while since he was there she continued you know and finally he i thought yeah these parents he he gave in she wore him down at a short period of time i said yesterday reed when that

happened i found that song happy happy i said in that way i said in that way work just as well as the comforted it we're not playing that game but anyway so i go to the grocery store and this is right after my study on what are we going to do about the pharisees and jesus you know what what are we going to talk about on this i go to the grocery store you know i'm happy because i love grocery stores i'm buying food which let me before i'm starting in the right for your story dad you know what's amazing you raise four sons you don't you've never gone on the grocery store probably two times in your whole life that's true but you raise four sons that love to go and every one of your sons we are the grocery shoppers in our family me included and well i had i had i

says because we didn't have a lot to eat through this day i've never been i haven't been in a grocery store and over you know a decade or two well you're missing out because look it's fantastic my store is i lay awake at night saying oh what am i missing out there i had an event that happened in my life. There was no childhood memory. I went to the Ukraine mission trip, early 90s, and we gave away all our food because, you know, the... They were worse off than you were. The wall had just come down and we were humanitarian slash Jesus mission. Yep. I gave away my food. Actually, y'all converted quite a few, I think. Hundreds, yeah, came to the lower, which is why that's this war that's going on was you know i keep up with this war i have a lot of friends yeah and a lot of

people that i'll see in heaven from from that venture but when i went to the ukraine grocery store after five days of not eating i mean it got it it got real and they had four choices in the whole it was just barren yeah and none of the four i thought i would rather die than try to eat that and so which shows you I wasn't as hungry as I thought I was. But when we went, I've told this story before, but when we went back home and stopped in Moscow on the way back home, it's been five days since I've eaten any real, real food. And I visited the world's largest McDonald's, which was in Moscow,

and we made things right. But when I got back to America, the first time I walked into a grocery store, It was the music started playing. There was no music on, but in my head, everything was brighter. Everything looked fresher. The choices were overwhelming. And I made a vow in that moment, I will live here the rest of my life.

So when I walk into a great, I'm having a bad day. You're saying you think it's bad here until you go visit everybody else. I have never for the rest of my life since that moment taken for a great day. Granted, a grocery store or a McDonald's, by the way. You know, you're all right, he's fast food. Let me tell you, when you hadn't eaten them five days, it tastes like a rib-eye steak. It's fast, all right. Oh, I'm just, how fast can you eat it?

Yeah. Look, I spent $1,000 just to get to the front of the line that day of Moscow. Because I was like, I'm not. A thousand roubles or a thousand dollars? No, I spent a thousand Ukrainian dollars, which they had to go. That was about 10. It was 750 to 1s. I'm carrying around a box.

It was like one than boom boxes. I had a box. Well, if we keep coming. If we keep operating like we've been operating in the last four, five, six years, you might see those things again where you're in Moscow. That's exactly right. So hang on, I haven't even told my story yet. You get back to your store.

You're at the grocery. So I go to the grocery store. I'm happy because I love grocery stores. So when I get to the checkout, there was a young, like, teenage girl. There was two long lines. And so it had the recipe for me being, oh, but remember, I'm in a grocery store. You're happy. And she's like, do you want me to help you?

And I was like, great. It just gets better and better. And so when she went to the, you know, to check me out and I'm going through the line, I noticed that people were, they had ice cream cones. And I was like, what's up with the ice cream cones? Because it's hot, you know, it's the hottest summer we've ever had. And she said, well, they're free, you know, to the coffee. you know, to the customers.

She's like the only one in the world. And I was like, only one in the world. And she said, well, I'm not sure, but it's the only one I've ever heard of. It's the only one I work at that has it phrasing. Yeah. And I was like, so let me get this right. Because I love grocery stores. And I started, you know, telling her why.

And I was like, and now I have found a grocery store that gives you free ice cream color. And so you said, what does this got to do about you study and preparing? because then she said something really that goes in line with what we're going to talk about. And she said, do you know what I can't figure out? She said, people will come up here and fix an ice cream cone and leave. I said, no way. And I said, well, what is the policy on that?

Because I figure, you know, it's like some of these gas stations. They give you the stink high if you don't buy something. No, no, you know how much does I travel? I've noticed a lot of gas stations will say use of bathroom only with purchase. Because for a while, the reason I noticed that, I thought, You need to take a leak. You can only use this bathroom if you pay for something. Right.

And so I thought, Pharisee. So when I asked her the policy, because I had that out fresh on my mind, and she said, no, the owner is fine with that. They just want people in our store. And I said, grace. Thank you, Jesus for grace. And she looked at me kind of bewildered. I said, you just gave me the cold open for my podcast tomorrow.

And she said, you have a podcast? I said, can I use this story? I said, because we're talking about Pharisees, they were in it. It really, because I didn't know if she's a believer or not, but we talked about grace, a free gift with no strings attached, versus you have to pay for, you have to bring. something to the table to participate in this wonderful ice cream cone. I thought it was a perfect.

So, Jay's, I have a Paul Harvey, the rest of the story. So the story you were in yesterday, I'm very familiar with it, Max Fresh Market, and you know why I love them, Dad? Because they're all about fresh. And the man that owns Max, whose nickname is Mac, he, I bet you both don't know this. I don't know. When you started talking, I was not, I wasn't even aware. what the name of the store was.

So Mac bought, he's a great Christian guy, by the way, Jay's to further your story. So he's a believer. He bought the one millionth duck call made that one year we made a million duck calls. And they brought me up to sign it. How did you know that? I know things, Jay. Just back when I worked for the company. Mack came in, bought that duck call for, I think it was, I want to say, $25,000.

What? He did I wonder where am I a check No no no We got to hear the rest of the story This is Paul Harvey I didn't get anything No because he don't

Duck Commander donated The Duck Call Price To Camp Chioca So the 25,000 That's why he didn't get anything Phil is for the kid It was for the kid Well that's good to practice

Jenna Rogers Just like the You let me know though Just like the ice cream So isn't that funny The guy that is giving away ice cream I should have known The Mieth Duck Call

I should have known anybody giving free ice cream cones at a grocery store where no strings attached had done something and was it was in our world i didn't know that no i know it i just had to be working there and i knew that he's the one that bought it we had auctioned it and he he he auctioned the most money he bid the most money for the duck call well i'll be and we gave it to charity which is really i didn't know that are we going to get into the bible we are going to get into the bible and we come back from our break. Since we're filming the same day as the last podcast, we have our guest back, which, who was super last time, Kyle Thompson. So we come back from the break. Kyle's going to

join us to talk about the rest of Luke. So welcome back. Welcome back. Kyle's. Good to have you back on the podcast. Glad to be back. Yeah, we're excited to have you here. Dad, you were about to say something. I was just discussing that when people, when you bear fruit, love, joy, peace, you come to Jesus. you're cleansed of your sins you repent and you believe Jesus died for you was buried and raised from the dead you're baptized now what you look around well when you begin to bear fruit

love joy peace patience you look at that and you say you're not doing it to be saved you've already put your faith in Jesus you're doing it because you are saved. Yeah. So you don't have to catch everything and make it say, well, I've got to make sure I've got to move from love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness,

I better not miss one. You just need to live like that, and your sins are been taken away. Yeah, yeah. I mean, you're cleansed. Really, I think that's... You have representation in heaven. Jesus appealing when you make a mistake. He's, I blew that one, Lord.

We'll give it to Jesus. Get up. Let's go. Let's keep going. but it's not like if I do this, this, this, this, this, this, today, I'll be saved. You're missing the point. Well, because it's natural, right? You're not under law.

Jesus said in John 15, I'm the vine. You're the branches. If you're in me, you bear fruit because you're in me. That's what I do. They confuse fruit bearing with what Lucato said. Legalism is the search for innocence, not forgiveness. They forget how they say. systematic process of defending self explaining self exalting self and justifying self the obsession with

legalism self not god legalism has no pity on people legalism makes my opinion your burden makes my opinion your boundary and makes my opinion your obligation well such a great quote you just missed the point yeah well the sequence the sequence matters i mean the gospel says great leads to obedience, the legalism says obedience leads to grace. You know, and I think that's in the old Jewish system, in their defense, they were given the law. But even there, if you go back, it was after God had delivered them. Yeah. They just didn't make the connection.

Grace is far greater than law, far, far, far greater. Jesus, he's the one that wrote it. Well, he dies to get you out of mundered. You would think, boy, what a way for all this to have worked out for the better for the human race. Well, in the last podcast, we spent the whole time in the Old Testament, right? We were mostly in Psalms. We talked about Job. Grace was there then.

I mean, it's not like because there was an old system of law that grace wasn't present. I mean, the whole idea behind Abraham is that there was faith in grace. So it was a big mistake in the first century. and the ones they rose up to bring it back worse than gray. I mean, worse than it is in reality. Way worse. And so we're in Luke 1237. This is the new text that we're about to go into it.

11. I mean, I'm sorry. I keep trying to do Luke 11, 37. And we're talking about these Pharisees, and Jason, we were talking about it before we came on the air, that there's not a lot written about. this and we are doing some deep dive into this. It's really not.

It was surprising. I always listen to Keller and other commentaries, but they just skipped over it. And, you know, in Keller's defense, I think, you know, he was pastor in church in New York for years. And it's more, he's dealing with more of the skeptics rather than, you know, religious people who are legalists or a... And I think because of our background, we see it more clearly. I certainly have. have met what I would consider to be. And again, I'm not judging other people's motives and hearts, but I've met some people that fit into this Pharisee mindset in church settings, where it was very much about rules on top of rules. Right. And so I think we see it more clearly, which is why I totally

related to these guys in the text, because I've seen it before. Well, it's kind of like what you're saying. So when you have Keller who's dealing with skeptics, and after every sermon, he's staying there to deal with skeptics and their questions, and that's where the book Reasons for God comes from, was from a lot of those conversations. But in the South, or like in Oklahoma, where every time you trip and fall, you will land on a church no matter where you are. Like, that's just kind of how, you know, ubiquitous churches are there. It's almost kind of sad. Well, but to a degree, it's like you get this kind of colloquial version of Christianity. And, you know, I've kind of worked through this idea, like, there's country music theology to where it's like, you know, you can talk

about God and prayer and, you know, how you're, you know, going to see him while you're out there on your John Boat. And it's that type of attitude, but there's no discussion of Jesus. There's no discussion of the gospel. It's just like, well, I'm born in the South. And, you know, my grandmama went to church. And so, like, you know, I'm a Christian. It's like, but God doesn't have grandbabies, right? You know, it's like, you know, God has his children and that that's it. And so, but again, that's, that's where the Pharisee-A, fair sacral stuff and the Sadducees and, like, that type of an attitude comes from a over-churched population. That is depending on church attendance. And not the gospel. But actually, that fits perfectly into, before we get into the text, because the Pharisee

sect began in the era of 600 to 500 BC. And it actually started out a great thing because it started out with the concept, y'all were talking about this idea of skeptics. It started out in the context of Babylonian captivity. And the inspiration for the Pharisees was Daniel, one of the heroes of the Bible, who wouldn't bow the knee, you know, to the idolatry of the Babylonians, Shadrat Meshek and Abedigo, who were willing to go in a fiery furnace rather than not do what God wanted to do. So that's what spawned the Pharisees sect. The problem was they started out trying to remove themselves from the world's culture and idolatry to be separate and to do what God wanted to do. Good thing. And they turned that into an internal separation of once everybody was in

Israel, then they began to separate out who was really spiritual, who really was it, who was unclean, who was clean. And so it just got, the more rules they added, the harder it was. And so they took what God meant to be a blessing and turned it into a burden. And again, without throwing rocks at them, I get it. When you go through 600 years of trying to be better, at some point it became about them. And dad read that Max Cato quote. It became about self.

Yeah. Well, the Apostle Paul, when he started out the book of Rome, Romans called to be an apostle, just talking about himself, set apart for the gospel of God, the gospel he promised beforehand through his prophets in the Holy Scriptures regarding his son. And he says, as amazing as it sounds, we're sitting here and the power we're sitting around, we're not ashamed of the gospel because it, the gospel, the death of Jesus, his burial, is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believe. First for the Jew, then for the Gentiles.

We're all together on this. For in the gospel, a righteousness from God is revealed, a righteousness that is by faith from first to last just as is written, the righteous will live by faith. So our mantra, very saying, unashamed of the gospel, you say, Hmm, we're trying to get everyone to see. This thing is a lot easier than they're making it out to be. Every little jot and tittle.

That's the law you'll never be. You'll never say, man, one of these sins going to not plague me anymore. Well, when you know you're in a situation where you live by faith, not by the law. Nothing is perfect by the law. Nothing was made perfect. No one ever kept it except the one who wrote it. and then says, I'm going to get you out of mundered. Here's another system, a lot better.

Just faith. So I feel like we should get into the text, but I do want to say, you know, when this started, and you look at the Pharisee opposition, you know, before I read this, and the Sadducees that come up commonly, you know, the Sadducees didn't like the Pharisees because the Pharisees had all these, they call oral laws, are amendments to all the laws.

And this is one of them that's fixed to come up. Because, you know, first thing I did when I read this is I go back and look, oh, well, there's some kind of laws about washing your hands or, you know, and I didn't find any. So I realized, oh, this was part of their amendment to the law. So they could control. And, you know. Yeah, and I read it. I went and read it. And, you know, and look, they're still observing it to this day.

So it was not a, because it's about washing your hands, but it's not a hygiene thing. You know, it's hard for us to wrap our head around this. And I think the reason there's not a lot of information on this, because as soon as you read it. It's a doctrinal position. Yeah, as soon as you read it, you're like, oh, would Jesus, he wasn't into washing his hands? Because we all know now, you know, 2,000 years later, that it's a good idea to wash your hands. And I'm pretty sure Jesus would go along with that. Since you created germs, I think he knew.

You know, Jay, let's take a break. Exactly. So when you see that, don't immediately think, well, I mean, why wouldn't he wash his hand? What they were speaking of was a ritual, a ceremonial washing where you pour water. I'll give you the, from what I read, I don't have this written down, but it was basically a ceremony where you pour three times your hands in a certain manner from, from your fingers to the wrist and then from the wrist to the fingers. And it was a sign with a prayer to God that you wanted to be spiritual clean. I mean, do I have that?

Yeah. And it wasn't in the law of Moses. This was something that came about as a result. Someone called it, build fence around the law. In other words, you have law, but then we want to take a step further. We want to build fence around that to make sure we don't mess up. And so that was this idea about cleansing. We want to make sure we're always clean before God.

What's interesting is about the motivation, Jays, which is really going to play into the woes that Jesus is going to get the Pharisees when we read it, is that they weren't really concerned about hygiene either. They didn't even know anything about that. You know what their whole motivation was? They wanted to be seen as spiritual and godly as the priest who did have washing rituals that they were commanded to do. So in other words, think about the minds of the Pharisee.

He looks over there at the priest and he sees him going through his ritual washings that he was commanded to do by God. And he says, well, I don't know that guy to be, look more spiritual than me. So they created their own sense of ritual cleansing. So again, it was all about what they looked like. You notice when Jesus gets into these woes, it's always like you want to look a certain way, but you want to act like something different. When Jesus is doing things record in the Gospels, there's nothing that's accidental

because it's here in God's word. And so you see from the very beginning in verse 37, while Jesus was speaking, a Pharisee asked him to die with him. That's not a casual remark, right? This Pharisee was trying to trap Jesus. He was trying to set him up. That's right. And again, I don't want to, you know, put motives on to Jesus. I'll let him do that himself.

But it's like, you got to think that Jesus did not wash his hands on purpose. Exactly. So he could set up these points that he was going to make with the woes. Yeah, I agree. And I was just going to make the point that the reason the Sadducees didn't like the Pharisees is because of this. They're like, you're adding to the Torah. You're creating these walls, and that's why they didn't like them.

And the reason I'm bringing this up, but the Sadducees, the reason they didn't like Jesus is because when he started talking about to resurrection, they're like, well, that's not in the law either. So here you have these groups, which, you know, the Sadducees got wiped out by Rome for the most part. But this phariceical spirit really survived. And you even see it in different forms in the church today. So with all that buildup, I do want to read it. So like you said, verse 37, this Pharisee invites him to eat, and we suspect, you know, he had a trap in mind. So Jesus went in, reclined at the table. But the Pharisee, noticing that Jesus did not first wash before the meal, was surprised.

Which is all it says, if you stop right there and just say, he's surprised. In other words, hmm, I thought this guy was like something special. And it's not the same feeling. This has nothing to do 2,000 years later when you don't see somebody wash their hands. Coming out of the bathroom. And I mentioned this on a couple of podcasts. It's very hard for us to just stop and say, okay, they had a ceremonial ritual. They did.

Don't think, you know, they weren't as acclimated to hygiene as we are today. So that wasn't a part of the ritual. So verse 39, then the Lord said to him, now then, you Pharisee. Now this is quite the point. Clean the outside of the cup. Now then you Pharisees, clean the outside of the cup and dish,

but inside you are full of greed and wickedness. Wow, what a ruin a response. You foolish people. Did not the one who made the outside make the inside also, but give what is inside the dish, or what you have, to the poor and everything will. be clean for you. So then he starts a series of woes, first to the Pharisees, then he kind of

goes to the experts of the law, but it says, woe to you Pharisees, because you give God a tenth of mint, rue, and all other kinds of garden herbs, but you neglect justice and the love of God. You should have practiced the latter without leaving the former undone. Woe to you Pharisees, because you have the most important seats in the synagogues and greetings in the marketplace, to your point out. woe to you because you are like unmarked graves, which men walk over without knowing it. You're like, wait, what? Now, you had kind of a pithy explanation for that before in your notes.

About the unmarked tombs? Yeah. Yeah, the idea was, is that, you know, the greatest, speaking of contamination, the greatest ceremonial contamination you could have was being near a dead body. And what Jesus is saying is, is you're in a. grave that's unmarked, meaning you're contaminating people with who you are, and they don't even know it, which was a powerful... Yeah, it's like a hidden inward defilement.

Exactly. I mean, for us, it's hard to realize how strong that statement is, but to them, that was their greatest fear. What they were saying is you're a dead man walking. I mean, you're a walking course. I kind of thought it was the infamous Shaquille O'Neal quote when they were, he had had an altercation with somebody on the basketball floor. And so the media, who didn't get sometimes to kill O'Neill's wit,

they kept bringing up the situation. You know, what do you think about this guy? And he kept saying, who? Yeah. And they would say, no, you know, when you were on the, he's like, who? He was saying, I don't know. Who is he? What do he does he do?

Which may have been an underlying thought here. And which is interesting, and we'll get there. But in Matthew 23, his description of it, he said, he went in the Matthew account, he goes way deeper. He says you're like whitewashed tombs. In other words, on the outside, you look clean on the inside of your dead. Right. So then he gets to the experts of the law because in 45, now this is kind of humorous.

One of the experts in the law answering, teacher, when you say these things, you insult us also. Jesus was kind of throwing haymakers here. The gloves come off. Jesus replied, and you experts in the law. I love it. Let's take a break. I love it because it's almost like we're sitting over here being offended. And they're saying, hey, whoa, ho, ho.

You're talking about us. He said, okay, since you brought it up, let me, pal, let me give you some of this. And I have this, I have this Pharisee spirit on the brain. Now, when you said that when we took a break, someone at my last, I did an event this past weekend. And so then I'm out with the people. But one of them came up and he said, I got one criticism about your podcast. I know what he's going to say. Do you really think you know?

I think I know. What do you think? He's going to say, you'll take too many in commercial. No, no. Because that's what I get all the time. No, that was not it. He said, when you take a commercial break, he said, you never say welcome back. I just, I was crickets.

I was like, what? Of all the things. Like, he felt the need to come up to you to express that. That means he thought about it on the drive there. If I would have studied this message before, I would have said, Pharisee. I'm telling you. We got to sell.

For this guy, I'm going to do something I never do. Welcome back. So, well, I asked, that was such a perplexing criticism. So I asked him, I said, well, why does that matter? Why do you feel so strongly about that? And he's like, I don't feel strongly about it. He said, but all other podcasts, they always say welcome back. Yeah.

I said, noted, you Pharisee, not. didn't say that. So first, that just popped in my head when we took this. When they asked me, why do you do so many commercials, I said, it's called capitalism. That's right. It's how we did it. No, I had a different, say, I had something different. He said we should say, welcome back. Welcome back. Okay.

Jesus replied, and you experts in the law, woe to you because you load people down with burdens and can hardly, they can hardly carry. And you yourselves will not lift one finger to help them. Woe to you because you build tombs for the prophets. and it was your forefathers who killed them. I mean, this is getting, this is getting real here. So you, in verse 48, so you testify that you approve of what your forefathers did,

they killed the prophets, and you built their teams. Because of this, God in his wisdom said, I will send them prophets and apostles, some of whom they will kill and others they will persecute. Therefore, this generation will be held responsible for the blood of the prophets that has been shed, since the beginning of the world, from the blood of Abel to the blood of Zachari who was killed between the altar and the sanctuary, yes,

I tell you this generation will be held responsible for it. Woe to you experts in the law, because you have taken away, and I really think this is important, but it says because you have taken away the key to knowledge. You yourselves have not entered, and you have hindered those who are entering.

When Jesus left there, the Pharisees and the teachers of the law began to oppose him fiercely and to besieze him with questions, waiting to catch him in something he might say. So that did not go over well. I would classify this as a suitcase sermon. Have your bags pack because they're going to run you out of town. And he started this with Jesus in verse 21 of chapter 9, the son of man must suffer many things and to be rejected by the elders, chief priest, teachers of the law,

the most important people on planet earth regarding religion. He must be killed and on the third day be raised alive. He starts all this conversation. And as he's at a point to where they said, when Jesus left there, the teachers, they began to oppose him fiercely. in verse, I mean, fiercely means... No, you're right, Phil. It's a valid point, which I think he is the key to knowledge that they're suppressing. Oh, I mean, big time.

So the concept of woe, by the way, is an Old Testament one, which Jesus was around yesterday, today, and forever. You see it in Isaiah 5, Jeremiah, Amos, Micah, Habaca, Zachari, Jude 11. The idea is destruction is coming. And it is interesting that one of those last ones that he talked about was the destruction of the generation, that they were going to be responsible for all this that's happened up to now. And they were. I mean, he was definitely referring to when they would suffer terribly because of their unbelief in him being the Messiah and who he was. Millions lost their life over this.

Oh, yeah. Well, I mean, they were wiped out. You know, you look at 8070 to 20. Yeah, you see an irony here in this situation, which I don't think we think. we think about very often. But the evil one, you know, in our contrast of good and evil, you know, Pharisees and grace, I mean, however you want to put it, the evil one can use you obviously breaking the law and rebelling, you know, through our self-indulgences and weaknesses.

But you actually see here after seeing this, he can also use you keeping the law for the same destructions. Yep. Because you're elevating yourself instead of God, whether it's self-righteousness, when we started talking about the definition of legalism and all, you're still putting yourself first. And you're breaking up what we started off saying, if you think there's somehow, by your own efforts, you're going to gain God's approval.

You've got the sequence of events backwards and are nullifying the grace of God. You know, so that, you know, in the short term, you bring up these verses for the grace of God teaches us to say no. And even in the story of Sinai and the law being given out, you know, people are kind of shocked that, you know, in Exodus 19, you see the image of what the gospel message brings just in that conversation. I would like to read those couple verses. It wouldn't even feel like, to your point, you start focusing on the fruit. and not the reason why there is the fruit to begin with, which is the gospel. Yeah, exactly.

And you miss Jesus. So let me read this. And Matthew, in Exodus 19, this is where the Ten commandments were given, which I would say was the foundation and bedrock of the Pharisee mindset. When it says, then Moses went up to God, and the Lord God called him from the mountain and said, this is what you are to say to the House of Jacob and what you are to tell the people of Israel. you yourselves have seen what I did to Egypt and how I carried you on eagle's wings and brought you to myself.

Well, if that's not deliverance and grace, I don't know what is. Now, if you obey me fully, well, you see, you had the deliverance first. Now he's given you the law. And keep my covenant, then out of all nations, listen to this. You will be my treasured possession, although the whole earth is mine you will be for me a kingdom of priest and a holy nation

these are the words you are to speak to the Israelites so even from the beginning you're saying the relationship aspect of God and what he was presenting delivered you out of my grace now since you see that I love you because I love you here are my laws

you'll understand my grace more as you follow and you obey you'll become holy nation, a kingdom of priests. So all these things were a shadow that Jesus would ultimately fulfill in a greater way. It's very near at this time frame. This is just before Jesus. Right. Fast forward to Luke and now we're here.

Jesus came to fulfill the law. Now we're here. Putting all the pieces. The king is here. We're going to have this relationship even greater than what we first thought. That's it. You know, so with that, we'll kind of indulge in, how do we not have a phariseical spirit? You can say something? Well, I think it's really important as we work through here. You're just not washing them hands right.

I think part of the reason why you may have found it hard to find a lot of stuff in this section is because Jesus has not really acting real Christianly here, according to a lot of modern people to where it's just like, this is very rough language that he's using. He's really given these people the business. And I will talk probably a little bit later, but like some of these, some of these things, you mentioned the word haymaker, these are haymakers, but it hurt even in our modern sensibilities to read them. Like it almost hurts our feelings. But at that time, there was so much attached to it because of the law, because these people didn't know who Jesus was yet, that the things that he was saying was so insane. Like that, that's why you had so many opportunities where there were these moms that were wanting to not just trap and ensnared Jesus, but to kill him. And if it was. And if, was because of the words that he was saying. So when people just pretend like Jesus is this, you know, cute guy that walked around in the Middle East and so everything's fine. And we're just going to like tell us about. Without grace, law becomes a bummer. I mean, big time.

I mean, you look back, you say, well, whoever kept this thing and said, Jesus kept it. He wrote it. I love that. You think you're saved by it. You better believe in me. That's a bumper sticker. Law is a bummer. Let's take a break.

No, I felt so. Hey, wait, wait a minute. Welcome back to Unashamed. Oh, welcome back. Phil, Jason Al Robertson. Are we contributing to the fair circle? Yes. By giving in.

So now you're going to get requests. Every time someone comes up to you at an event, you're going to get a request for something else that somebody wants to have changed on the podcast. Would you think you understand on our podcast? Because we just sometimes start talking. It's like this. It's like you. Okay.

Welcome. What did you say was? Welcome back. So here's the overarching, because we are going to break these down individually. But I want to make a point before we do that one more. is that to me, the heart of this discussion that Jesus has been. It's a harsh one. Comes from the question of, can you cleanse the conscience of the heart by cleaning the

outside of a man or woman or the inside? And so I think that becomes the question. It made me think about Peter talking about the clean, not the removal of dirt from the flesh, you know, in First Peter, but the cleansing of your conscience before God. And when I was studying this and preparing. it took me right back to Pontius Pilate in Matthew 2724. You remember he's trying to convince him not to kill him and let me give you an alternative, let me give me an option.

So here's what he says. When Pilots saw he was getting nowhere, but instead an uproar was starting, which was his worst nightmare to have a rebellion because that's what he was in charge of not happening. He took water and washed his hands in front of the crowd. And here's what he said. I am innocent of this man's blood. It is your responsibility. Now they said, oh, yeah, we'll take it and put it on us and our children, which is what a statement.

But, you know, that's a falsehood. Pilot couldn't wash his responsibility away by washing a... That's a great point, which I think the underlying thing here is you can do a ritual in God's name and your heart be a million miles away, which is a perfect point to that. Which was Jesus's point. He wasn't against washing hand. No. But you've got to get past that.

That's exactly right. This is, here's a ritual we're going to do. And then he looked at their lives. And he's like, you're hypocritical. You're going through some ritual system. You don't care about these people. You don't care about the poor. You're giving money just because it makes you look good.

So the thing about this, Jay, is I wrote this down. So the Pharisee, when he looked at a poor, unfortunate soul, that's why it's just the first one Jesus went to. So he has no empathy. When he looks at this guy, when he doesn't say, man, I'm just like that person. I'm a sinner who needs grace. And man, I'm so blessed. He doesn't think that way. He has no sympathy.

He doesn't think, what can I do to help this poor guy? We already talked about that. He'll walk on the other side of the road. And here's the thing. He has only apathy for this person. You know what he says? And this will come up later in Luke. He looks at that person.

He says, who, thank God, I'm not that guy. That's what he's thinking when he's looking at somebody that, you know, is dealing with a difficult situation. And that describes the mindset. But that's more than just in the first century. You can brain that right on him. to today. And that's the way a lot of people look at people. Well, because we always rank order sins. There's junior varsity sins and varsity sins, but even for Christians, it's kind of the same

thing in reverse where people will allow a spirit of diminishment to be spoken over their own testimony. Because, well, I'm not that guy. That guy used to be a gangbanger and a drug dealer, and now he's a Christian. And, you know, I just, I got saved at, you know, Awana or, you know, vacation Bible school when I was seven. And they will diminish themselves. So it's kind of the same depravity, but in reverse. Exactly. And we say it all the time. I remember. I've told this story before, though. I think people are so detached from that. It's like, I think I told you, I played golf with a pastor one time.

And, you know, he was, you know, we're out there on a golf course. People usually when they meet me, they usually think I'm less sincere of a believer than I am. Just because I was on Duck Dynasty, you know, I like to have a good time, you know, I'm a frog. And I don't know why they think that. But anyway, he may be. the way you looked, isn't it? He made this reference. You're looking at the outside of your dish.

You got to look about you. He said, these, you know, he said, man, he was telling me some story. And he said, man, I was sweating like a prostitute in church. He said, you know what I mean? And I was like, I said, our prostitutes don't break a sweat. What a great laugh. He got so choked up because at first he was laughing. And then he was like, what do you mean?

Are you serious, Clark? Yeah. Because it was like beyond, I mean, he's a pastor, but it was beyond him that a prostitute would be in church. But I was saying, oh, we got prostitutes in our church, you know. We got a few rows of them back here. And I was like, they're not sweating because I was thinking, they're finding relief in Jesus.

We're actually doing this. But in that moment, you know, as the day went on, it started convicting him. I mean, it was, I really wasn't. trying to convict him. I wasn't, but it reminds me of where we're at here in this story. I brought up something where it's a cliche and it's something. It's like when we get together at churches, we put our best clothes on and we try to look like it's a 1975 fake movie where, how are you doing?

Great. Everybody's fantastic. Great. And if you could fast, I mean, rewind back to all the cars coming in and just the conversations, you'd see what you should see. Or at the house before they left. Marriage couples are fighting. You know, there's profanity.

Kids are being disrespectful. Well, yeah, it's thing. Life is difficult, you know, but somehow another, that's, I think, at the heart of what he's trying to get at it. But even with the whitewashed tombs and, you know, how it's described here being, you know, looking clean but not being clean, that earlier this year or twice this year so far, I've had former porn stars on my show that are now menaceous.

So one gal named Brittany DeLamora and a guy named Joshua Broome. And these are people that were famous, rich, sought after in this super depraved, you know, profession, I guess, if you can call it that. And there are people now that are like, wait, you're, you can't be in ministry at all because of what you've, what you've done. Like, I know you're saved and all that, but, and it's like, wait a minute, there's nothing after the butt. There is no but, actually. It's like, well, we wouldn't have half the New Testament if we went by that. I told them some of them the other day when I baptized them, I'm telling them this, when they come forth and on the water, I said, all your sins are removed.

You have God's spirit in you now. I said, don't pay any attention to signs, but just remember, you could put up there, the kingdom of God meets here sometimes. And I said, that's who you tell them you are. I like that sign. See, I would endorse that sign because I hate that we have. broken up into so many groups when we all believe, or a lot of us, that's right. Most, you know, believe Jesus is the son of God. We are a part of his kingdom. You know, it's sad that most of our

differences in organized religion are really small. They're almost phariseical. Yeah. You know, how many songs are we going to sing before? I like a church that sing seven songs, and with a piano and a guitar, not necessarily one of the other. You just think about what divides us up. Oh, it's ridiculous. And it's very small things. It's our preferences. has that become the point and not the work of the gospel. So we're out of time. But before we go to overtime, Kyle, tell folks about undaunted life how they can find your podcast.

Kyle is a fantastic podcast. Tell them how they can find that. Yeah. Undaunted Life, a man's podcast is wherever you get your podcast. But Undaunted Life is here, as I mentioned in the last episode, to we're equipping men to push back darkness. And so we do that by providing content like our show that helps you forge spiritual, mental, and physical resilience.

And so on our show, it is meant for men. We have, you know, lady and kid listeners as well, but it's to help really steal the nerves of the men that are going to be the ones equipped to push back the darkness. And so that's what we try to do on the show. And so through guests, through private study. By the way, great training. I love doing well. I love it. Thank you.

I appreciate it. So we always love having you own, Kyle. So we're going to go to overtime because we just really scratched into this. And you just brought something up, Jay, so I want to talk about in the overtime. And that is the majoring in minors because that's the first thing he's going to deal with. And that happens so much into our Christian world today, unfortunately. So we'll talk about that if you want to follow us over for our segment with Kyle, blaishty.com slash unashamed for overtime. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast.

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