Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 75 | Jase's Easter Rule, Heaven and Hell, Drinking Battery Acid, and the Love of Jesus

Episode Date: April 12, 2020

Happy Easter! Phil and Jase have very strong feelings about what they won't wear on Easter. Phil wants ladies to thank God they don't have a prostate, and Jase refuses to drink battery acid with a pastor. And we're answering your questions about heaven, hell, and the resurrection: Why didn't Jesus have to go to hell to pay for our sins? Do Christians have to believe in heaven and hell? What about reincarnation? - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am Unashamed What about you? So it feels It feels weird It's Easter Sunday But normally You know

There's no You know It's an iron neighborhood Even It's a huge Like I mean Everybody goes to Obviously we all meet together

And afterwards Willie's mother-in-law At her house They do like this massive Easter egg hunt for the whole neighborhood and people. I mean, there's probably, what, 40 kids out there running around. They got Easter eggs all over the neighborhood. Oh, I know. It occurred to me. They told me there used to be another house there, you know, where they live now. Yeah. And so

Willie's father-in-law, he was like, you need to metal detect this. Well, I went out there and metal detected, but every five feet that was, because they put coins in the, on, they have plastic eggs, you know. Well, the amount of change I found, but it was like. all, you know, 2004, 2005, 2006. You know, there's change everywhere. You don't realize when you do that. The kid opens it up and changes. Wow.

Yeah, you got little kids trying to keep up with change in plastic eggs. Where did that ever come from anyway, do you? I mean, you know, I don't know. We need to ask, Si. He's always talking about the. It's a pagan holiday or something. Oh, really? Well, boy.

What did the egg have to do with it? Well, no, I think it's. Sy's mentality. You know, Cy's always on this. We're the eternal egg of the because that's what he does about being born again. I never know exactly what he's talking about.

Well, really, I don't know what he's talking about anyway, but anything. A lot of people ask me about that when Cy was on here last. Dad, you weren't here. He said something, but he had this old big epiphany about the piercing the eternal egg. Yeah. And so people were asking

You don't understand what someone is saying, and I don't understand what someone is saying, and he doesn't understand what he's saying. That pretty well is clean sweet. Well, I thought about it. You know. So we were like, do you think he meant this? And I was like, look, I don't know what he meant. You know, that's just you'd have to get into the mind.

You listen, you grin, and you move on. There's two things about Easter that always dumbfound in me. One was the Easter egg, which now eggs are one of the biggest commodities there is. During the pandemic, yeah. Well, yeah. I guarantee you if people are not going to bowl them and go throw them out in your yard. Because there's people that will just scream and run over you with a buggy to get a dozen of them. So that's not going to happen.

And the other thing was, you know, why people wear all the bright colors on the Sunday morning? What is the deal about dressing up? Our family never did. I mean, my wife to this day gets upset because my wardrobe is limited. So, dad's is. I don't even want to get into work. What is the, what's the fascination with wearing all the bright? Somehow that caught on.

It was just like it's springtime. And so you wanted all these pastel colors. And, you know, it's just a good, probably was marketed by a lot of smart people to get you to go buy a lot of new clothes. I think so. That sounds like a good capitalism. The most quoted verse in my family and my marriage in the last 29 years has been, God does not. judge by external appearance. He looks at the heart because she'll lay my clothes out. It's true. True statement. And I'll say, why? Where did that come? Those are not mine.

She said, well, I bought those for you for Easter. I'm like, why? That was a waste of money. Who make suits, the clothes, the clothes make the man. What he has on makes him. I'm like, no. Well, I told my wife, I said, I want to give you a bumper sticker for dealing with me. I've done this to her at least five times. I said, and when you're shopping online now, remember this, Jace doesn't do pastels. That'll help you. Well, I don't understand the flat piece of cloth to wrap it around your neck. and cinch it up against your Adams apple, a knot.

You have a knot, and they show people at a time, and they begin to the first stages of hanging themselves and push that knot right up against their Adam's apple, and they stay that way all day long. I'm just thinking, why would you put your... It looks like to me that would lower your brain power, your enthusiasm, your sex drive. You have a rope around your neck.

No wonder you're submitting. That's how they kill people. They're hanging by the neck. Well, you know where they came from. I don't know where it came from. No, and the old west, you know, they would try to tie up everything to keep the dust. Correct. Yeah, that's why they would wear the face mask and the bandana.

And they come up with a tie because they didn't want to get that dirt down under their collar. It was probably the Bolero first. So it started out protection. Yeah. And now. It had a practical start. Well, now they say, you know, why you wear a tie. is because if you're dealing with someone's money,

which is in the professional, you should wear a tie. That's the rule. That's a stock market quote. But that's what they say. What do they say? When they say you, when you talk about people's money, you should have a towel. If you don't have a tie on, then they won't.

That is why I've never bought a tie or a suit. You just hit on it right there. You mean the ones with the coat and ties, those are the ones I am watching them like a hawk. They say if you talk about someone. When they step in the room, I'm like, yeah. They say, if you want to talk about money, you better have a towel. But I have to say they're probably right because here's the thing.

So that's your stock market guy. But if I get somebody in here, some couple, and they say, you know, we want to invest a half a million dollars. And so I said, well, we're going to send in a couple of guys to talk to you about that. And so Randy Kirby walks in looking like the stock broker. Oh, yeah. And you walk in looking like you. guess who they're going to listen to?

Not him. So they're right. That's unfortunate for them. I mean, it's a cultural norm. That's what we're talking about here. Speaking of that, quit sending me, look, I love our viewers. I love y'all. I really do.

I appreciate it. Quit, quit saying pick your top five stocks. It does, look, I'm going to give you all some stock advice right now. Oh, boy, here we go. No, I'm just saying. I should have brought it up. This is for you, and we can put this on record. If you want to get into the stock market, you buy at least 15 stocks so you're diversified

and maybe one fund, ETF fund, look it up, you'll figure it out, and then just leave it. That's it. Check back 20 years and you can thank me then if I'm still alive. So that answers all the question. I'm not, you're not going to do what I'm doing or other people where you watch it, you know, and you get engrossed it. That's my stock advice for you. So don't give me any more emails about.

you know, should I sell this stock? I'm not going to give you that advice. My stock advice is zero goosehead. Yeah. I just thought I'd throw that in because now, I mean, look, I get it. If you're paying these brokerages, fees, and then you're looking at your account, you're losing money, I realize the discomfort you feel, but you will long-term make some money. Will you make more without them if you know what the heck you're doing?

Yes. but it takes a lot of time and work. And most people don't have that kind of time effort and work. So stay out of it. Buy 15 stock. The top stocks is easy to figure out. Maybe one ETF. Wait 20 years.

I mean, forget about it for 20 years. Come back and you'll be glad you did. Yeah, I told Lisa, she's opening up our, you know, 401K. I said, don't even read that right now. That's just going to depress you. I mean, we've had a pandemic. The part of his speech that bumps me out is that I don't have a another 20 years.

Well, right. Unless I may live to 94. Well, your mom lived to 96. Well, you never know. Because, you know, if you make it past 78, do you realize you'll be the longest living of your siblings? Because Jimmy Frank was 78 when he passed when he had a heart attack. And he's the oldest one.

None of your siblings. I didn't know that. Yeah. So if you can make it to 78, you'll break the new. What you can do, Phil, is if you have, if you're at your age and you want to make a little money, if you have more money than you think you'll spend, you can put those in some high conservative dividend stocks and they will give you, they will give you that money. You won't lose it.

It's pretty safe. But, you know, in your case, what do you need money for? So I would carry on. Yeah, I'm just. Well, you do spend a little bit money. How much does it call? When you have to pump up our ducco, how much does that? cost. Well, that's thousands of dollars.

It's fuel. 10 grand. Yeah. So, I mean, that's just a pump up. Mainly fuel. Yeah. Or if you had to buy a new piece of equipment, some of your stuff is pretty expensive. So you are spending, but you're working.

You're 70, about to be 74 and you're working too. By the way, I'm not 74 yet. I will be 74 on April the 24th. Yeah. Which that was my first birth. So you're like, hmm, 74. So I'm looking around like, well, How fast it goes.

I don't have any aches or pain. Oh, it was, it's like James said. It was a mist. A vapor. Gone. You said you don't have any aches and pains, but you have in the last six months. Because we chronicle them. You've described them in detail.

And it really has made me, you know, cringe. His bicep is a unoseph. Every female that's listening to my voice, honey, all I want to tell all of you females, thank God every time you get up in the morning. And thank you, Lord, for not giving us a prostate like you did the males because you're way better off without one. Trust me when I tell you. Now, that's funny. I don't care.

That prostate acts up on you. You girls don't have to worry about it. Of course, every time I tell a woman that, you know what they tell me, yeah, we're the ones that have the children. It's just they're going to trump your prostate with an ovary. So, you need to thank God because you don't have to bear children. I said, I know it. I'd bear one. That'd be, that'd wind that up.

No, when I saw that, that was one of the most life. It changed my life. It changed my life. I saw my wife, number one, her body go through this transformation. And number two, I didn't even know she had that dark side in her. Not dark as in like, but I mean, because she's never raised her voice to me in our marriage at all, except at the birth of our children. I mean, she was like, hey, get me some ice. Yeah, she's barking on.

So I'm like, you know a little Karen Bromley from church, a little meek, mild woman. Oh, wow, yeah. So Lisa and I were there the night, because they're our neighbors. We were there the night she had her first baby. And so we were in there, we're getting ready to leave. We're just kind of checking on, praying for him. And she's having her contractions, you know. And so her husband, Bromley, who works with the church now, he was like kept, you remember

you're breathing and, you know, he's giving her all this Lamas stuff. Who was doing this? This is her husband, Bromley. He's giving her all this stuff and she's looking, you know, at him and she'd be going through one of these things. I offered no advice when I saw the one, I didn't watch you being born out, not you, Jace.

Sire hollered at me from the riverbank. Yeah. Mr. Kay's having that baby and I'm baiting up a trot line and I said, what are you want me to do about it? I said, I can't help her. That doesn't make it any better. That's right. But when Jeff came along, I did watch that one. someone says, what happened? I said, here's what happened.

I watched Jep come forth from the womb, and I saluted women, womanhood worldwide. I saluted all women that said, I will never take that for granted on what they go through to have children. Well, this little meek-mile woman that I've never seen her raise her voice in that moment, he kept on. He was just, pop, pap, pap, pop, pop, pa, you know, he was just trying to help. But she finally looked at him and she said, shard off. I mean, it was like a. a demon. I looked and it scared me. I was like, whoa, okay Lisa, I think we need to go. I was like, we've stayed too long. I've told Missy many times since then. I'm like, you need to go child

buried on this person because she knows what I mean because I'm like, there's something in there I know you because she'll be frustrated with the situation. And I said, go childbirth on her. A woman is a lot tougher than I thought after I watch that. Oh, no doubt. Okay, where were we out? It's the perfect lead in to the resurrection. Hang on. We've got to take a break and let's jump in. Because really, when you start analyzing your body as you get older, Phil, it's good that it's Easter Sunday. So we asked, there were some questions asked about the resurrection body, which we talked about last time on the idea of, you know, are we physical versus spiritual? And so we talked a lot about that from 1st, Corinthians 15.

And, but when we talk about the resurrection, of course, you have to look at Jesus first because 1st, 15, remember he, He was called the first fruits of this new opportunity. Which what does that imply? Yeah, exactly. More to come. More to come. And so, and he did a little sample test with his old buddy Lazarus, you know, and that was right before he was going to die and be raised again.

And I've always thought, you know, the reason, because he waited until he died. You know, then he goes there and they're like, man, if you'd have been here three days ago, you could have saved him. He's like, well, come out here. I'm going to show you something. I'm going to show you a cool trick, you know. And so after four days, he says Lazarus come out of that tomb, and he does. And, of course, they're all thinking he's going to be like a zombie.

And he, you know, he took off all his grave clothes, no problem, no big deal. So he was kind of just show, but Lazarus died again. He was showing what he was about to do. And look, no, if anybody can do that when you can raise the dead, you get, you know, attention grabbing. And death comes through a man as in Adam all die, first Corinthians, 15, 22. So when Christ all will be made alive, each in his own turn, Christ's the first fruits, then when he comes, those who belong to him.

Then the end to come, and the last anybody to be destroyed is death. So you get to looking at it, you say, we have one, one person, one chance to get beyond the grave. And this is it. I've never read this anywhere else. in any book anywhere, have you? Nope. So you look at that. I think it's better than a chance.

It's a guarantee. Yep. But in Matthew 10, you know, Jesus sent out these men to spread, you know, spread the knowledge, hey, the Messiah is here, the Son of God. Well, they were threatening them. And, you know, it takes me back to when I was in the Ukraine, some 20-something years ago, we started, the wall comes down,

the church moves in, hey, let's play. some churches. Well, during that transition over there, when they got wind that large crowds were following after us, because we were feeding them, it was a humanitarian crisis. But then we would share Jesus. And, you know, we played basketball, and we were doing different things to draw crowds. Well, the government officials got wind of that. And basically, what happened here in Matthew 10 is what happened to us. They're like, you shut this down or we'll put you in jail or kill you. I mean, there was no sugar-coating it.

Even though now they were supposedly free, when we started sharing Jesus and large crowds started gathering up, they're like, no, shut this down. So what was so profound about that is I looked at the missionary, I was like, well, I guess that wraps this up. You know, I hate to get back to the USA, but he was like, oh, no, we'll just move locations, which is what we did, which was very frightening, I guess. I was only in my early 20s and I wasn't as fired up as I should have been because I mean, I was nervous about it.

I was fearful. But I think in Matthew 10 with what we're going to talk about today, this is a really good paragraph, especially even in the fears of the coronavirus. I mean, some people, especially those without Jesus, without any of them, they're terrified. But when you read this, he says in Matthew 10, 26, he says, so don't be afraid of them. There's nothing concealed that will not be disclosed or hidden that will not be made known. So don't even be scared of anything that they can come up with that may, you know, that you think you're missing out or you don't know what's going to happen. Because then he clarifies and he says, what I tell you in the dark, speak in the daylight.

What is whispered in your ear, proclaim from the roofs. You so what is it? do not be afraid of those who kill the body, but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the one who can destroy both soul and body in hell. Are not two sparrows sold for a penny, yet not one of them will fall to the ground apart from the will of your father, which is an awesome thought. He's like, you don't think I don't think you're valuable. Well, look, if a sparrow runs into your plexiglass and dies, he knows about it.

And then he says, and even with the very hairs of your head, they're all numbered. So don't be afraid you are worth more than sparrows. I just think that's a fantastic, yeah, a view on life about. And there's a lot of confusion in there you might seem. And we've talked about fear before where you don't, I've said this many times, you know, it says don't be afraid. He doesn't want you to fear because, you know, you know God. But in the same vein, we do fear God because he knows us, you know. I mean, because we're, we do get off and we do make mistakes.

And so there's a balance there of how, you know, we live life. But the bottom line is overall, oh, we're going to trust God because he controls body and soul. Well, we had a – there's a couple of questions I want us to deal with today in the – which deal with this subject, but sort of post-resurrection. One of them comes from Travis, and he said, here's my question I've wrestled with over several years. He said – here's what he says. First off, I do not want my Lord to suffer or be in hell. I'm very glad he's in heaven. What I don't understand is that he became sin.

And we mentioned that before. What is it? Second Corinthians five. That says God made him, 18. God made him who had no sin to be sin for us. So here's the question. What I don't understand is if he became sin so that he could die to pay for our sins, why did he not have to go to hell to complete the payment of that debt,

which is our debt? I understand he did suffer so much. So he has a hard time accepting that, about taking on sin. And that brought me to something, Jason and I, when we were in school, we had heard this teaching that he did go to hell. You know, the idea that from, was it, First Peter 3?

Well, let me read it out. I think people will be confused by this. And look, this is a deep water. I'm just, let me warn you. This will make your head hurt. but there are a few passages that seem to imply that when Jesus died, something happened in the unseen world. Right.

Because, look, you got to remember from a theological standpoint before I read this, most people just think heaven and hell. But there's, in the Greek language, the word for, what is it, Shio, where this, or paradise. You remember. Hades. Yeah, Hades. where you have, I think she holds actually the hell, but yeah, the, the, what you said, what was the one you did say?

Hades. Hades is like the, that's a Greek word. Transitional place for the dead? That's what it would be. I guess that's a good way to describe it. So look, I don't want to go too deep into this. But when you read 1st Peter 3, here's what it says. In verse 18, it says, for Christ died for sins once for all.

the righteous for the unrighteous to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body, but made alive by the Spirit, which is why I read the Matthew 10. But then it says, through whom also he went and preached to the spirits in prison who disobeyed long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah. Now then he gets to a point about how baptism is the re-enaction of the death. on resurrection. But you read that one little phrase and you're like, well, did he do that while he was dead? Is that what the three days? That was the assumption. That kind of built this teaching that that happened. Of course, when I read it, I never even went there. My thought was Jesus was around back when, you know. Speaking through Moses. Noah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So what I'm saying

is I never got into that thought, because I see it for just straight up what it was, but people have built that up. Another one is Ephesians 4, where it says he ascended on high, took many captives, gave gifts to his people. So the idea was there's a teaching that says he went into hell and then brought people out of hell. Well, let me give you another one in that vein. Second Corinthians 12, 3, when Paul was saying, and I know that this man, whether in the body

or apart from the body, I do not know, but God knows, was called up to paradise, which is that same word that when Jesus told the thief on the cross, remember he said, today you will be with me in paradise. So there's some place that we go. I mean, my opinion just being practical is that if you have the Holy Spirit of God, and you're going to be resurrected because your body will come up. So when Jesus, when it says, 1st Thessalonians 4,

Jesus will bring with him those who have died or fallen asleep in him. Well, what's he bringing? Their bodies are on the earth, so he's not bringing their bodies. Well, the next verse says, and the dead in Christ will be raised. Well, so it seems to infer we have two parts of the anatomy. over one timing. He's bringing the souls. Souls.

Sure. The body is raising. And then it says, and so we will meet the Lord in the air. So the body comes up. I'm assuming they unite. It'll probably be a better racket than that. And then it's, then you will have, now we go back to what we talked about a couple weeks ago. You now have a functional body like Jesus had.

and the first John three. Immortal, buddy. So now you can eat fish not to stay alive, just for the heck of it. Just to enjoy it. Hang on, let's take a break. That's pretty cool. Yeah, so I mean, and so I think to go back to Travis's specific question, what we're saying is that because he told the thief to now be with you in paradise, I don't think there's anything that says, you know, distinctly he went to hell. I don't even – I got the references they say that.

But here's my thing to Travis. He wouldn't really have to go to hell to pay the price for sin. I mean, in other words, him being deity and man, therefore he – and he never broke the law. Then his sacrifice was the competent thing to pay for our sins. You don't have to go to hell to do that. The spirit of God and the first Peter 3 back there, just to clarify, because Jason never actually stayed there. Yeah. When Noah was preaching to the people telling them there was going to be a big water, there's a flood coming.

Because they were ridiculing him, what are you doing building a boat of that size on dry ground? Are you crazy? Right. And he was preaching to him. The Spirit of God was speaking through Noah to the individuals who were alive. and when Peter wrote about it, he was simply saying, now all that's left of them, they were all drowned, but eight. Right. There are the spirits in prison.

They're the ones who said, we're not going to rely on God. I mean, every thought was evil. And Noah is trying to tell them, look, there's a big water coming, and they said, you idiot, here? And he said, it's coming right here. And it's going to save me because I'm going to be in that. boat. So you either need to get a boat or get out of my face because the water's coming. Well, that was the spirit of God speaking to Noah to the people of that day. When he alludes to that right here, he says, now they're the spirits is all left of them. They're in the place Jason is

talking about. It's Hades. It's she-old. That's where they all are. And our assumption has always been that you're there and unaware. And there was another question asked about that. Yeah. Well, now you got the story about Samuel, which? I was going to make sense. Yes. Is Samuel and let me set the story? It's in First Kings. It's in First Kings. It's in First Kings. And Saul, who was the king, he was the first king, but he wasn't really God's king, which is a whole long story. But so he wanted to know what to do. Well, Samuel, the prophet had already died. So he's not spiritual minded, so he didn't know what to do. So he gets a medium, which is really interesting. I mean.

He gets a person who says she can conjure up. Which does seem to validate some of this stuff you see today. Well, right, because she pulled it off. Now, and again, the Almighty could have been doing it through her because he's wanted to make a statement. That's true. For you panic. Yeah, for you panic. And I know this from Revelation 218, you don't want to be on that side in the end.

That's right. Not good. No, you're not good. So it is interesting that right after he mentioned that through the spirit that he, he through whom the spirit, he went and preached to the spirits in prison, the spirit of Christ, the spirit of God, who they disobeyed long ago. All this left of them now is their spirits because they all drowned. That's true.

But, Phil, the timing of it was right, it says Jesus did it right at, I mean, like, in between his death and resurrection. I mean, it does seem to infer that. I mean, that's why that started. I understand that. Let Al finish his point on the king. So here's what happens. So Samuel, who's the prophet, so he shows up some form of him, spirit, or I don't know,

but they knew it was him. And basically, he's like, why are you disturbing me? That was what he said. You brought me back. But if you read the point, Al, he was aware of current events. I know. That's what's very curious about that. And then he basically gives Saul a rebuke.

He's like, all right, well, since I'm here, here's what's going to happen to you. And none of it was good. But also look at Moses. Now, we know he died because there was a dispute over his body. He's up on a mountain with Jesus, what, a thousand years later? Having a conversation. I was fixed to bring that up.

He and Elijah both. Having a conversation. Well, what in the world happened? They left the place wherever this place is, the paradise, or if you were outside of Jesus, what would be the opposite of paradise? I think it was a glimpse. God is showing you. When Jesus is standing there and you have Elijah and Moses, and they're just talking,

well, they're already been given their immortal bodies to show us that God's not the God of the dead, but of the living. Remember the burning bush? But he also said, but to him all are alive. But to him, to him, all of them are alive. Because there will be justice. Well, when you see them standing there, it's just a picture of what it's going to be like. He gave them a little, a little, just.

jumpstart gave us a jumpstart saying, look, this body, soul, I can do with that anything I want to do. If you believe in me, Jesus said, even if you die, yet shall you live? And whoever lives and believes in me will never die. Well, when you look at it like that, you're like, whoa, watch. Right after 1st Peter 321, you get to 1st Peter 4, 4, the people think it's strange that you do not plunge with them into the same flood of dissipation and they heap abuse on you, but they'll have to give an account to him who's ready to judge, listen, the living, the ones who are alive physically at the time, and the dead, the ones and nothing but spirits. This is the reason the gospel was preached even to those who are now dead.

That's what First Peter 3 is talking about, so that they might be judged according to men in regard to the body, but live according to God in regard to the spirit. He said, if you don't see the spiritual part, the soul. soul part, you'll really be confused about physical death. God says, listen, my son died. Oh, he was alive. He just was going to show you how to beat physical death. You're still alive.

You just are outside your body. Yeah, I don't see why people have such a problem with this. Me either. Because look, if he created the first man out of dust, what was coming back even though you supposedly died? He breathed life into dirt. What's the difference? human being. You're like, whoa. I want to read something. Hang on, Jason. Let's take a break for you.

I'm going to read an obscure passage that goes along with what you just said. Right after he goes through, Jesus will bring with him the spirits that have fallen asleep, the devil will be raised. You feel like this is in the closing comments of First Thessalonians 5, but he makes an interesting statement. He says, may God himself 523, the God of peace sanctify you, set you apart. From who, from everybody else. Through and through, may your whole spirit, soul, and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. And then I love this 24 because then if you struggle with how this is going to happen, he basically gives you the answer in the next verse.

The one who calls you is faithful, and he will do it. It's such a crazy verse to me because it's like we really struggle with how this is all going to come together. And then at the end of describing the details of when Jesus comes back and your body and your soul and spirit is going to be reunited. You know, we read 1st Corinthians 15 and in previous podcast. The body is changed, but it's not exchanged. It's still a body. Just like Jesus was eating fish and going. through walls, but it's some kind of body

that we can't relate. And we're like, well, how does that, how is all this going to come together? And he's like, he's faithful, he'll pull it. The way Peter called it, we mentioned this in one of our other podcasts, but I'll bring it up again. Second Peter 1, verse 15, I think it's right to refresh your memory. Now, look at his idea

of the body, soul, and spirit. I want to refresh your memory. As long as I live in the tent, temporary dwelling, of this body, because I know that I will soon put it aside my physical body, my tent. I'm just staying in right now.

Got another one coming. That'll be an eternal one. Watch. Is it 2nd Corinthians 5? Yeah. This is 2nd Peter. Oh. I will soon put it aside his body now as our Lord Jesus Christ has made clear to me

because he told Peter you're going to die a rough death, son. Watch. I will make every effort. to see that after my departure, well, what can be depart? They're going to crucify him upside down and kill him. You say, well, boy, he's got a rough time coming. He said, no, it's just me departing from my body. So the question is, going back to don't worry about the ones who can kill the body,

they killed his body. They killed their apostle body. Well, how could Peter look at it and say, it's nothing but my departure? Well, that's the part of you, your soul and your spirit that goes to be with the Lord. And at the final day, he just bringing you back to retrieve your body. That's all he's doing. Well, to get back to his question, it's pretty uplifting, Al. What's bothersome to me about the question, not that you asked it, but just your conclusions on it,

if you go to 2nd Corinthians 5, which is basically what you just read, meanwhile, we've grown, long to be clothed or heavenly dwelling. You know, when we're clothed, we will not be found naked. You know, for while we're in the tent, we groan in a burden. Why we're in the what? The tent. The tent. He's on the same way.

Then he gets to verse five and says it's God who has made us for this very purpose and has given us the Spirit, Holy Spirit, as a deposit guarantee of what is to come. But now later on, he gets all the way to the last verse in chapter 5, which is verse 21, because he's talked about how Jesus made this happen in the new creation, and we're now ambassadors for Christ. Well, he says, God made him who had no sin, which was, this is what the question was about, to be sin for us. But if you'll notice where it says sin, it has a little letter.

Mine has an A, and it says, or be a sin offering. Because you got to remember something. when this question was concluding that Jesus became sin, so he went to hell. But Jesus had no sin. None. Hebrews 4, 1 Peter 5, zero sin. Because his nature, you're now addressing God's nature. Well, in him is 100% light.

There's no darkness, none. There's no sin. He's also life, which is tying in what we're talking about with the resurrection. And the same principle applies like for love. He can't just love some people and not the rest because his nature is he is love. He is sinless. So to try to make that analogy to get Jesus going to hell, you violated one of the fundamental principles of who God is, which is that he is sinless. He is incapable of sin.

The wages of sin is death. since Jesus had no sin, he conquered death by that very fact. That's why Peter, when he preached his sermon, said it was impossible for Jesus's body to see decay. That's right. Because it was trying to violate two fundamental principles of God is that he is life. He can't die.

Can't die. And he has no sin. There's, it's impossible. He's not going to sin. So what I'm saying is I've thrown out that theory because it violated one of the fundamental natures of God. That's why when I hear some kind of false doctrine come up about, and I don't want to get into the details of it, you all know, because there was a crew that kind of went through some of our church members, you know, where God only loved some people. Well, you're violating a fundamental principle of the nature of God.

No, he loves everybody. And what that forces you to do if you never. So love the world. He said, Jesus. All right. But they'll say, well, yeah, but that's his world. You know, I mean, I've argued with these people. But you know where I'll bring up an issue where it becomes practical with us.

It's like, and I remember through the years in the immaturity of some of our face, you look at a murderer or a child molester or, you know, whatever the sin is. And people say, well, God doesn't love him. And that comes from because their sin is so egregious that you're like, well, I've read the Bible. That, well, and then you get in the difference in loving the person. That's why you made them. And then hating what they do, which is a fundamental thing that I think most religious people agree with. but somehow another they attack the very nature of God

when all of a sudden they just say God does not love that person well he's incapable of functioning like that so I hope that helps so let's take one last break and then I've got a point to make over that so we dealt with this in a previous podcast but I think the question that comes out of the question

is well why the three days but we've talked about that for in other words if you can't kill guy why did he stay in that why did his body stay in that tune three days, but we talked about that before. The burial was to prove that... Removes all doubt. That he went through the process. Exactly right.

So it wasn't so we could go to hell, you know, which is kind of this theory, but it was just to prove that he was God because, you know, his body never saw decay. So we know that. I mean, I think I shared this story before, but I'm going to share it again because it was a really tense moment. You know, a lot of people who pursued the miraculous gifts. life. The problem with that kind of theory is in pursuit. And look, I'm saying if God wants to do something, he can do it. I mean, I'm not saying I don't believe that things happen that are

unexplainable and, you know, I'm all for it. But if that's where your pursuit is, what the problem with that is, is, you know, I shared Jesus with a fellow. His life was a disaster. He makes a decision to put his faith in Jesus. But the church, that he had gone to, they were more in pursuit of the miraculous, and they didn't like somebody like me coming in there and like pursuing one of their members. Well, I mean, this guy's life was a wreck. Now, he might have been a member of that church, but he wasn't a member of Jesus. He was beating his wife.

He was getting drunk every other night. I mean, this guy was just a problem. So, but the fella gets torn in between the two religions in his mind, me and this other fella. And he's like, well, why don't y'all just get together and talk? and I'll figure out which one to go with. Horrible idea. I should not have gone along with this, but I did. I was there, too.

And so this guy comes in, and he starts challenging me to do something miraculous. Well, I'm looking at the list, and we were in, what is it, March 16, it said these signs will accompany those. You handle deadly snakes. I'm out on that, you know, because I don't mind risking my life. Well, the drink poison is the one I chose. and I said, because I said, look, now I'm not going to do it because I have my faith and trust in Jesus. He's going to save me, even if I die. And I'm quoting the verses of what we're talking about today.

But this guy wanted to like do a sign to see who was from God. It reminded me of that story in the Old Testament where they were trying to figure out who was legit. Remember, they were lighting the sensors and all. And then God's man basically just burned everybody. It wasn't with the true property. After he covered it with water in a drought, that was Elijah. But we got right to the moment of the, because the guy in the middle, he was like, well, I got some battery acid out there in the truck. You know, we'll just settle this.

I was like, look, you don't put the Lord God to the test. You know, because I'm bowing out saying it's not about that. It's about have you surrendered to Jesus as and is your life representing that? Because I was rebuking this pastor from this church because I was like, You don't even know what this guy's doing. He's beating his wife. He's a drunk. I was saying that in front of him, man.

I wasn't sugar-coting anything. We're trying to get this guy in Jesus, get the Holy Spirit, so he will quit breaking the law. And you're obsessed with trying to find some miraculous gift in this to figure out who's legit. I was like, you're so far off. I mean, look, I'm just picking one guy that I met. Maybe he was crazy.

I don't know. but that was the issue. But then he was acting like he was going to drink this battery acid. Did he? No. But he got right up to the point. And I was like, if you drink that battery acid, I'm going to tell you what's going to happen to eat. You're going to die.

And I'm not going to make a salvational judgment on you. I hope you make it. But I know this. If you drink that, you're going to die right here in front of us. And he was just looking like, I mean, he wanted to like, it's kind of like a game of chicken. you go first, you go first, and I'll tell you what, if you live, we'll just follow you. That's a tough deal. That's like the old days, and they'd say, sink them with some rocks.

And they'd say, well, if they, you know, if they drown, then they were innocent. But if they pop up, you know, they're guilty. Well, hang them. I mean, that's a tough way to turn out. A lot of viewers think this is preposterous to think in America this would be going on in a living room. I was a part of it. I was there.

What is going on here? I mean, are you crazy? We probably should have prefaced this whole conversation with the idea that what we did today with these questions was sort of we painted a picture that we get from Old Testament, New Testament, a lot of things here. But remember, anything in the afterlife ultimately, we don't know exactly what's going on. I mean, we're assuming maybe people have an awareness. We don't know. We're saying, you know, this is what it may be like. We don't know.

I mean, at the end of the day, to me, when it comes to the question of heaven and hell, and what is it going to exactly be like and where do we be? It's a lot of conjecture. I mean, we're kind of painting a narrative from these passages. We do know this for sure, that when you die, there will be a resurrection and we'll live again. That much we know as they have. And remember Matthew 10, everything that hasn't been disclosed will, and I've read many times, Deuteronomy 29, 29, it says the secret things belong to the Lord our God,

but the things revealed belong to us and to our children forever. Look, God has made a way to reveal Jesus to us. That is our purpose on the earth. He uses despite our flaws. And that is God revealing what you need to know. You get Jesus, look, you get life and you get it eternal. It's worth mentioning that only one speech. sees, only one, humans, they're the only ones that are into these matters.

Right. And are able to read, contemplate, you know, the Bible says God set eternity in the hearts of men. Right. He put that in us. Dogs are not worried about the resurrection. Horses are not worried about the resurrection. None of the animal world is worried or even give, this is not part of their agenda.

I saw that movie, all dogs go to heaven. Yeah. So you, hey, I hope there are dogs in heaven. Thank you. But the bottom line is you say, why is it just humans? They have old writings. We've all read them. When we got to this story, we're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa here.

So we've looked and we looked and our calendar is dated on Jesus Christ, and you're thinking, you know. Which, by the way, you brought something interesting. we do share with animals. We have spirits and they have a spirit. They don't have a soul. That's the difference. That's why that third component is so important. You know, dogs have a spirit.

And some of them are high spirits. Some of them are loved spirits. Our last dog that died, our kids did the funeral. They wanted to do funeral service. You know, and they did. But it was weird how they took control and basically shared what we believe about Jesus about that dog. Well, he's in heaven now. It was all the same, you know, it's crazy.

You don't really think they're watching you until something they love and they want to see again. And you wonder, why is that in the hearts? And I'm pointing to my head here, why is that in the hearts of men? Where did it come from? Yeah, it has to be. Good, evil, hell, heaven. You say, where at all that come from? It has to be a doubt.

Trust in Jesus. And you may not understand it, but you'll be pleasantly surprised when you look up. You remember that story of Lazarus and the beggar? When you look up and it's over, you don't want to be thinking, uh-oh, I screwed up here. No. Well, and that's – we'll close with a question, actually, because I want to get to it. I don't know if we'll get to it again. It's a somewhat anonymous said, sent in a question that they grew up in a Buddhist household.

And he or she said they've lately been thinking about converting to Christianity. And here's what they said, but the only thing stopping me is that I can't. can't get past believing in heaven or hell or the existence of one. And here's why, because I believe in reincarnation. Then the question is, so my question is, can I become a Christian and not believe in heaven or hell, which is not the right question. The question is, can I become a Christian and believe in reincarnation? Because nowhere is that in the Bible.

Therein lies the problem. If you believe in reincarnation, you don't believe in the resurrection. But what I would tell them is that if you surrender to Jesus, even though you have this narrative that you want to believe, I say, be pleasantly surprised. Because I've always said it's not about the destination. That's why I believe so much about heaven and hell is fuzzy in the Bible. That's right. Because that is not your motivation for surrendering to Jesus.

Your motivation is Jesus. That's why he said, I'm the way. You remember when he said, in my father's house or many rooms, you know, so what do our churches do? They write a song saying, I got a mansion just over the hilltop. I'm like, you missed the point. It's not about a mansion. It's about who's in it.

That's why the house doesn't make you happy the people in the house. You could be living in a van down by the river. Almost steady down to government cheese and butter. The late Chris Farley said. But I'll tell you this, when you look up and it's over and when you're in the, when you're one of the spirits in this world and you're waiting on the resurrection, and whether you're aware or not, you won't be feeling real good if you're outside of Jesus.

And if you are, you'll be thinking, boy, this is paradise because it's only going to get better. Great discussion. Happy Easter. So we're so glad you guys were with us today. You can subscribe on iTunes or Spotify or YouTube or Facebook. And be sure and rate us on iTunes so that other people can know about the podcast.