Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 753 | Christian Huff Adores Raising Phil’s Great-Granddaughters & Jase Gets a New Workout Routine

Episode Date: September 15, 2023

Jase feels a little insecure about his workout routine (or lack thereof) when fitness guru and podcaster Christian Huff makes his “Unashamed” appearance. Phil gives a biblical warning about being greedy, especially when it comes to the Lord. The guys discuss why greed is different from other sins and how to steward our blessings responsibly and without worry. Listen to, rate, and review The Blind Movie Podcast: http://apple.co/theblind Listen to "The 4:8 Men Podcast" with Christian Huff: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-4-8-men-podcast/id1592787728 — Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? Welcome back to Unashame. We are super excited to have Captain America. You do look like that in Captain America. I said when Christians said he, when Christians said he got married, I was like, and then I found out they were going to have the baby. I was like, well, it's like Wonder Woman and Captain America get married. And of course, they're going to have this super baby, which they did who's awesome so welcome back to unashamed christian i appreciate the intro i think that's uh i think that's one of the best intros you could have given you so i appreciate that and he has a great podcast that

is both spiritual and physical and so uh jay said what to tell what you said when he went well when he walked down i said every time i see you i feel like i need to work out more but i will say this i've never been a workout guy but when i hit 50 and now i'm past 50 i just had a birthday And so I'm in my middle 50s. So my schedule is we're going around the country pretty much every other week. And we work 12 hours days on that show. And contrary to popular belief, I hunt, I am treasure hunting. Like if it's a three-day shoot, two of those days, I will hunt 12 hours digging holes,

sweating, walking miles. And what I realized is before 50, I wouldn't have a problem with that. You wake up next morning and say, let's go. But when you get over 50, you wake up the next morning, you can't move. So I started a little, somebody said, well, you need to do a little workout regime. And so I started right so the two days before I leave and go do a shoot, I'll put one hour in. And I didn't read it out of a book. I just came up with multiple stretching.

It's not, I'm not pumping iron. There's a bike that I got Missy for Christmas that she never rode. Because she said it was too hard because I asked my friend Barrett what to get her. That was back when she went in, she had about a three-month workout craze that died right there. So I got her a bike. She never used it. So now I use it. And so she reminds me commonly.

She's like, you basically got yourself your own Christmas present. Yeah. To work out on. So I ride the bike 20 minutes, but I only do this two days every other week before I go. Because then when I noticed that when I go dig it, I have more stamina. Yeah. So I do a few push-ups, sit-ups, you know. I got the little band, you know, do some of that stuff.

Well, I would argue that you're, you probably burn more calories digging holes for 12 hours than I do just working out for an hour at the gym. So I'm really good is what you're saying. Yeah, you're working out harder than I am, probably. Oh, well, I'm good. Well, no wonder I'm in. You got to be burning some calories, though, Christian, because I was down there last week. And I was going to leave early. I'm going to tell you that right now.

I was going to say, yeah, I stayed for Willie's hamburgers after our Facebook live that we did. And Willie said, yeah, I'm doing hamburgers. I said, well, I might stick around for a little bit. And how many did you eat? I thought I counted four. Five, five? Yeah, it was five. So if you can eat this much because you work out and you burn the calories, that's a deal.

Because if I eat five. If I eat five burgers, I'd throw it up. You know what I mean? Yeah. Well, I think, too, I'd probably be overweight if I ate five burgers and didn't do any kind of physical exercise. But I am still young, so to what advantage that plays me, I'm not really sure yet. From a metabolism standpoint. Have you ever tried to just run through a wall just to see if you could do it?

No. No. I haven't. I haven't. But I have thought about, like, if my home got invaded and the girls were inside, like, could I think I could. I've thought about that thought. I think that's a noble quality. I appreciate it.

Yeah. Yeah. If anybody could attempt it would be Christian. Whilst having this thought of you, you know, on your show digging holes, if we could get you in just tip-top shape, you know, do you think you would have more ratings if you were, you know, shirtless looking for looking for things? I'm sure my ratings would go down with my wife. Yeah, I'm not doing it to on how I look. I just, I literally couldn't get out of bed. You want to feel better.

Well, I just thought if I'm going to do that my I didn't ask for this many episodes this quickly But I literally physically could not get out of the bed the next day because they're like hey let's go 12 hours here I said I'm gonna have to I got to change something Because I'm looking at rest day and look at who the two guys I'm with Jep now he's since all of a sudden Yeah he started getting in shape he's lost 30 pounds and you're like why is he doing that because he's with me 12 hours a day. Because every time I looked around at Jeph to feel better about myself, I would see him sitting on a stump looking very pale.

And we had three different shoots where Jep had to leave because he was sick. And he was like, I don't know what's wrong with me. And I was like, oh, I know. You're grossly overweight and you're trying to dig holes for 12 hours in 90 degree weather. It's called being out of shape. And he's got stomach issues anyway. Exactly. So now he's getting into.

So that's what's happening. We're not doing it for, you know, any kind of image thing. I think that ship has sailed. But it's more just to function in this work schedule. So maybe you can give me a few tips after the podcast on exercises. Because look, when I started, I could only do 30 push-ups. But now I notice I can do 40. And just 40 straight?

I can drop down right now and do 40 push-ups. That's really impressive, actually. That's pretty good. That's good. 40. That's awesome. Well, I'm feeling a lot better. That's really awesome. This whole podcast is just about making you feel better about yourself.

Well, I didn't know. Because look, I've always made fun of people who work out. No offense, Christian. And because I'm like, what are you working out for? You know, I mean, I'll call you if I need some wood split or I just, I don't know, I kind of came from old school. And that's why I said I could only embrace it because I saw a need. I was like, I'm in my 50s.

I'm having trouble keeping up here because I like to be the first person at work and the last person to leave. But by day three, I'm crawling to the truck to get in because it's just too physically demanding. So, but I started this little regime, few pushups, sit up, lots of stretching, back popping. Yeah.

You know. Yeah. Well, that's actually why I started a lot of the reason I started the podcast. But one, I was just joking about you getting a super good shape and having your shirt off in your show. Because that's kind of what I'm trying to deviate from, even with my podcast, because I think so much of fitness is so much aesthetically. And I think it just, to me, it just breeds just idolizing, you know, how you look in yourself, which I think is super dangerous. But for me, you know, just like, obviously the woods is such a great place to be to where you feel, you know, it's like a sense of a quiet time. If you go out and you're in the duck blind or you're chopping down trees or whatever, for me, I found the gym. One, it's been a cool tool of evangelism. just getting to talk to people in the gym.

I got to baptize a guy who spotted me on bench press last year, which was cool. But even, too, from a physical standpoint, you know, like you said, being able to run through a wall, I think to some extent, like adrenaline would get there, but then at the same time, I would like to be physically capable to actually protect my family if something came to it. And one, I just, I like a challenge. I like trying to see if I can lift a certain amount of weight or if I can run this time. So even just from a competitive standpoint, I've found that it helped.

helps me just kind of stay disciplined. Even I think so much of my spiritual routine is benefited by me having a physical routine. That's just for me personally. I think if I'm disciplined physically, it kind of helps me spiritually. And if I'm like this morning I was listening to a Matt Chandler podcast when I was working out and it was super encouraging. But I'm like if I'm listening to rock and roll or rap, then I just get so consumed with how I look. So I'm kind of trying to preach against, you know, just working out to look good to feel better

about yourself. but how can you serve your family better? How can you use that time to really benefit your spiritual life as well? Because it's a time where you're, you know, whatever you're pouring, whatever you're putting in, that's what's going to pour out. And if you're pouring in, you know, worship or a sermon or whatever, how can you use that time to really benefit your spiritual self just as much as your physical soul? Well, I love the concept.

That's why I love about your podcast. Tell what's the name of the podcast? It's called the 4-8 Men Podcast. So it's based off of 1st Timothy 4-48 where Paul says that physical trainings of some, value, but godliness has value for all things. So kind of taken that thing of Paul and knowledge is physical training. And for people, it looks different. For you, it could be, like you said, digging holes for 12 hours a day. For me, it's, yeah. For me, it's whatever, doing a circuit or bench press or whatever. So it looks different to everyone else, but he says that physical training is

sub-value, but godliness has value for all things. I think sometimes we, I think sometimes we don't realize that, like, you, like spiritual disciplines help you, you know, work your way towards, maybe not salvation, but sanctification, right? So it's like, if I want to be in good shape, I might not just go work out once a week. Same with spiritually. It's like if I want to know Jesus more and actually have faith, I'm not just going to go to church on Sunday.

So there's Monday through Saturday, what am I doing? Am I reading? Am I worshiping? Am I praying? And I think there's same with physical routines. I think there's spiritual things we can do that benefit our faith. So if I want to get in better shape,

I'm going to go work out. If I want to be more spiritual, if I want to have a stronger faith, then I'm going to put in practices to read and to put in the time like I would do for anything, for whatever hobby, or whether it's, you know, duck hunting. If I want to be better at duck hunting, I'm going to go shoot skeet, or I'm going to go practice or whatever. Same with our spiritual life. It's if I want to know Jesus more, I'm going to be disciplined in putting these things in action throughout the week and not just consuming something.

I've had that same thought many times because I thought I need to work out spiritually and, you know, daily reading and prayer and quiet time. And I'm way better at that than I am physical. But that's why I said the age had that. But all those things make sense. We found really common ground in that because I'm really competitive too. And I'm not going to lie. I have thought many times because when we go dig these holes and are looking for treasure, we're at real remote places.

And the last place we went, they said, look, there's a lot of bear around, just heads up, you know. Well, I look over at Jep and Murray, and I'm like, Huh, you're good. I'm good because those two are snacks. I don't think we now run them. Oh, and the bear comes up. I mean, oh, Jace is gone.

So I love Christian that you said. Morbid thought. I like it. That every place is a potential place of worship and spiritual growth, whether it's the gym or any play. I love that. And it's also a mission field. me any place you enjoy whether you're into hunting, whether you're into working out, whatever. And so I think it's especially good for young men because that's something that is a much more

part of their routine, not just young men, but I think what you're speaking to in that is important. So I appreciate your business. And as a young dad, too. So since we had you on the podcast last, you have another child. How's that going? Everything's exciting. You got? Yep.

It's been awesome. Haven. You got a toddler now and a newborn. Are y'all keeping the kids? H theme? You got honey? I don't know. That's a good idea. Well, so it's weird. I think with honey, it was just kind of like a thing that kind of progressed throughout Sadie's pregnancy. Then Haven, she just felt like God told her that on a plane one day,

so I don't really... Neither one of them were really ever on our list of names. She was close to Heaven, Haven. They do have spiritual implications, though. Yeah, they both have spiritual implications, but I don't really know. I like the on H. I think it rolls off the tongue nice, but yeah, that wasn't really planned or anything. but yeah honey is you know she's over two now Haven will be three months or I guess almost four months when this comes out but it's just night and day different like you really see just how different babies are yeah honey was night and day more difficult than Haven's been it's just wild haven has been an angel and honey was never slept I had colic rubab would she go through 10 outfits a day and Haven you just put her down she falls right to sleep you don't

I hate to tell you this that's never going to change so don't do what I did because when my kid, Reed and Cole were in junior high, I just one day I was so frustrated and they were both sitting down. Of course, Cole had done nothing wrong, but he was part of the come to Jesus meeting and I said, Reed, you just, you need to, you just, you need to be more like him. And I pointed to Cole, which was probably terrible because then now it was like, oh, jealousy. I brought in that aspect. Exactly. You know, but Cole, you know, later on would say, well, doubt I was just way more crafty. I learned you can conceal this a lot easier than just open rebate. So many things about it. Genetics, both things that are just hardwired into them

to be different. Sometimes if they're more like you or the other, you are Sadie, there's so many different aspects. And their personalities are just different. Sometimes you have to just constantly be on one of them because they're so stubborn and hard-headed, whereas the other one's much more pliable. And sometimes those will change. My girl's changed. Anna was much more stubborn as a baby. But then she was the firstborn, so I was probably harder on her.

But then she's now one of the most compliant people ever, whereas Alex was the other way around, super easy young when she had those teenage years. Here we go. So we've been button heads ever since. They're the ultimate mission, Phil, because I do think that's part of your marriage is having these conversations about how to, address each kid, you know, a little differently with the same principles applying. It's just not the same. And it's never going to be the same. And even Mia, we had her on the last podcast.

And, you know, what a bright bulb she turned out to be. But it was just her life was so difficult with all the physical trauma and all the things. And you shared it with the podcast audience. There were struggles with all that with how she looks. Oh, yeah. There was a couple years, you know. And you went through a tough season. We had a misdiagnosis on the problem because we were treating her like our two boys. When all kids go through puberty and teenagers, that's the toughest time, which that needs our most attention.

Because we all remember being teenagers. But it was really more about the trauma that she had been through all those years and loneliness. And it really affected her identity, which is what we were talking about. because, you know, when you're sitting in recovery by yourself for six months, when all your friends are at school, that can be devastating for a kid. I mean, they're lonely. They feel like something's wrong with them. And so we just, we weren't attacking the problem or trying to help her in the right way. And fortunately, Missy had a counselor friend who that was the first thing.

She said, I've dealt with kids like this. It's more of a post-traumatic issue. and one weekend session with our whole family, and it was a catalyst for her to move to Jesus like I've never seen before. I mean, it was like, okay, this is where I had a lot of issues that I needed to discuss. So, you know, glory to God on that. So got a big announcement. It's the 15th is today.

So on the 18th next Monday, there's going to be a new podcast. It's kind of a limited run podcast. Zach, what's the name of it? It'll be called the Blind Movie Podcast. So it's about the movie, but I've said this. It may be the last time that the whole family is on screen together. We'll see. But everybody's on it on a couple of the episodes.

It'll be, we're only going to have about six to eight episodes, but we spent what, I guess two days filming. it. It was very meaningful for us. We had just seen the movie for most of the episodes, the ones I was a part of. And so there was a lot of emotion there. I just think it was really good to kind of, it was almost cathartic for me just to having watched everything on the screen and then get to come back and talk about it in a

podcast format was, it was great. So I highly recommend people to check it out. Yeah, to come out Monday. So the way you can find it, anywhere you listen to podcast, it'll also be on our YouTube channel. But anywhere you get podcast, I know it'll be up Monday. It's a Blind Movie podcast.

Yeah, just everybody go check it out. I think you guys are going to absolutely love it. We filmed it at Duck Commander in this incredible scenery there, but it's going to be really beautiful. So, yeah, check it out. It drops Monday. We're probably going to just do six to eight episodes. But someone said, is it going to be a spoiler

for the movie. And I'm going to go ahead and give you a spoiler right now. In the end, Phil gets saved. So it's already spoiled. You know the end of the story. I mean, people know the story. So this is just talking about. So we're going to send out a link so you can get signed up for our emails.

If you go to theblindmovie.com, be sure and do that. We also need you to go and listen to these episodes and rate and review the podcast on Apple as soon as it drops. This is going to help us drive. the podcast up the charts and we want folks to be able to go and listen to this and so they can get excited about the movie. So be sure and jump in there and really drive this thing up where folks can know about it. So Christian, I'm curious because you've seen the movie probably maybe more than once because your in-laws are, you know, producing the film. But I'm curious from your

perspective what you thought about because you didn't grow up, you know, hearing the stories. like all of us did. So we're so inside sometimes. It's hard for us to just see it as a movie. And so what do you think about it? What was the impact of it to you personally? Personally, I just thought it was so powerful. It was really cool.

You know, I think there's multiple layers of it. I think one, I think it's cool that, you know, it's kind of produced in-house. Like a lot of our family, Zach and Corey, really took initiative in it. And, you know, from screenwriting to producing to all the things, it's cool to have your family be so a part of it. but even just the film you know the thing there's so many things that think there's I think there's

many things that could have been shot away from but really to to embrace that and and to go for it and to really see the redemption like like you know like you just said Zach there is a spoiler at the end Phil gets saved and I think seeing what leads up to that I think it's um you know even though it can't be hard to watch it's relatable for so many people you know whether it's um you know we all have sin there's everyone has sin right so it's just you know I I didn't I don't think anyone's going to watch it and say, how could Phil do that? I think they're going to see them in their story, whether it's themselves or their cousins or their siblings or their parents.

Everyone has some relatable sense to that of just being lost and just being in the world. And, you know, when you're watching it, I can relate to it so much just from a, you know, from a standpoint of just being addicted to something, right? I'm just being so caught up and not wanting anything to do with faith. And I think that's the biggest thing. It's just, you know, seeing where Phil's life is now, and especially his marriage, and seeing all God's done, you know, through that season and the redemption that's been brought from it, I think that's the coolest thing. I think most people that see the movie have watched

the show and seeing, you know, the success that's had, and just saying that if this period of time never got fixed, then you would not have had the, you know, the success of what it had. And, like, you and Willie and everyone always talks about, like, there might not be a family, if that never happened, right? So just seeing the trickle effect and just seeing the, you know, just the trajectory of, you know, what happens when one man does repent and ask for forgiveness and turn his life around and live that out as a daily thing. I think you see the culmination of what happens from a family perspective and even just how the community's been impacted by that decision. Yeah, and we talk a lot about, you know, legacy building what that looks like.

And a lot of that is watching the kids, our kids, my nieces and nephews and jesus, to then grow up and find these amazing people that because they had a spiritual prism that they were raised in, someone they were looking for to then spend the rest of their life with. And Sadie obviously found you and you found her. Same with the, I think about Brighton, you know, Reed's wife. And just what they now bring to the collective of our family is just builds it and making. it's stronger. I mean, what you and Sadie are doing, not just with your podcast and your impact, but even by the time this airs, you will have just finished Live Original tour here locally,

which I love Sadie wanting to do that in her hometown. That was so important to me that this is like, hey, this is where we're from. Come to West Monroe. And I don't know if I told you this last time you were on, but when I was, Lisa and I were going out of town, either last year or the year before on this weekend coming up for Live Original. And all these young girls were coming through And they were so excited. And I was like, it must be something going on in town. And I never even realized they were all coming to be a part of that. And they're flying in from all over the country.

And so just, you know, it really is. And dad, we've said this to you so many times before. We're so grateful of the decision that you and mom made that then changed the trajectory of your kids. And now you get to watch your kids and your grandkids and your great-grandkids making those same decisions. Faith comes from here. hearing, here comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. It's just that simple.

That's right. Hear it and believe it. Or you, you say, how do you get to be 28? Never heard it. Right. And how do you 28? 25. 25, yeah.

But even, too, like, you know, I'm a huge, I love movies and even just the cinematography of them. And the movie's really well made. It's not like, you know, you don't watch it and you don't think it's, you know, it's a lower budget of a movie or whatever. Like, it's super. legit. Like from a cinema perspective, it's really well made. And, you know, the scenes that were shot in are super, you know, beautiful from a wood standpoint and everything. It's actually really well made. So even just from a, even just from a side of the story, just watching it from

a cinema perspective, it's super cool. And I love that you said that. Mia's similar. I felt the same way because you grew up on movies, you know, but good movies. I mean, well shot. Great cinematography. And Zach, you guys, the whole crew did an awesome job of that because it's beautiful. It's a beautiful, beautifully shot film. With some hard things that happened in the story, but I think being able to do that makes it really special. So I love it.

One last thing before we take a break. So you're also my next door neighbor now because your house is almost done. You're close, right? Yeah, we're, oh, trust me. We're close. They have a beautiful house that's right behind our place. So we look forward to getting what your kids grew up from close by. We kind of got a compound thing going.

Jason, Missy are there, Will and Corey, now Sadie and Christian, and two mom and two Papa and everybody else, which is a great blessing for our family. Let's take another break. All right. So we're going to talk Bible today. Oh, one more thing. Sorry. Thursday, September 21st.

Lisa and I are going to be in Bloomington, Illinois, at the Living, Alternative Pregnancy Center. So go to their website and find out if there's tickets. I don't know where there are or not, but I love mentioning that because every time someone from Unashamed Nation that's in that area likes to come see us. So check that out. So we're in Luke chapter 12. We, uh, days we introduced this.

I sent Christian our notes and kind of tell them where we were. So he's ready. So podcast before last. Yeah. Because you've had some gas on some, uh, some, we have. But, uh, we did a detour. You know, I think, I think Luke 12 and talking about some of the things we've been talking about, because now we're talking about money, which.

I had to kind of have an epiphany because I've never liked to talk about money and I never like preachers who preach about money and I've kind of clarified that because there's been so many bad black eyes in the churches over leadership and the misuse of money. And so, and people use that for an excuse.

But in reality, when you look at what Jesus address, really he talked about when it comes to things that can really be a stumbling block to your faith he talked about money more than anything you did and a third of his parables have some implication money or material possessions and you know putting your faith and trust in that and uh i heard a really fantastic lesson uh by tim keller which i'm a big fan of especially in the gospels and and just getting the context of things. And the towel of it is money from Luke 12. But he had two signs from from Luke 12, one through 34. He had two signs that you're greedy, which is gloating or worry. He had two psychological aspects of it, which is finding your security and how much money you have or possessions you

or finding your beauty in it, which is your image. And I just kind of giving you this outline because you're going to see these things come up. And then two practical things about greed is you see people running after money or possessions and you see people storing it up. And I hit on that, the last podcast that we talked about Luke 12, because when he says watch out,

And we read the text. When he says, watch out in verse 15. Be on your guard against all kinds of greed. A man's life does not consist in the abundance of his possessions. And it's one of the few times that sin or something that you're pursuing where Jesus says, watch out. And this happened when there's crowds behind him. He's speaking to his disciples and someone from the crowd,

asked, tell my brother, teacher, this is in verse 13, to divide the inheritance with me. And we really didn't get into the specifics of this, but I thought we could pick up right here. Yeah. And it was probably a younger brother, because you rightfully kind of laid out what their system was. They would go to a rabbi to settle civil disputes. And even though I don't think this guy was legitimately asking for a problem, I think he was just see him what he would say about it. Because Jesus didn't have the right pedigree, and, you know, he just was not in the

rabbi circle of respected individuals among the Pharisees and the teachers of the law. But you probably can predict that this man was probably the younger brother, the older brother. I don't know what percentage they got, but... They got a double portion. They got a double portion. So everybody had a portion, depending on the kids, but then the oldest always got the double. and the only reason why is because the oldest son. The reason why was because the oldest son

then took the responsibility as a patriarch to make sure everybody was taken care of. So that was the idea if you had a sister that wasn't married, or a widow, you know, all that kind of stuff. There were a lot of practical reasons. The Behor. Yeah. So Jesus in his normal way completely flips it on his head.

I mean, he addressed it and said, man, who appointed me a judge? And he wasn't saying, we don't. settle disagreements. But he was basically said, that's not what I'm here for, is to divide possessions among people. And then he got to the heart of the matter, which he discern, which he does. He knows what's in us. And he starts talking about being greedy. That was the problem. We have greed going. And who knows the details, but I think it's fair to establish that. And so then he says this watch out and I made a huge point about that because most people don't view themselves as having

a problem with greed because we always compare ourselves to other other people or we justify it it's you know and and even color made a joke in his sermon people who are having adultery they know they're having adultery it you know Jesus doesn't say watch out you know everybody knows that the reason he's saying this because greed comes in various forms. And that's why I said the psychological aspect, people will have huge savings accounts, not because they're trying to, you know, leave it to their kids or whatever, but there's a temptation of greed that they feel safe in life because they have a huge bank account.

And then on the flip side of that, people have spending problems, spending way out of their means because they want people to look. look at them and what they have and say, oh, you've made it. And so that's the various forms of greed that we do with our possessions. That's why we have to watch out. I think that Malachi comes up. He says, you ask, how are we to return? Will a man rob God?

Yet you rob me. But you ask, how do we rob you in ties and offerings? You are under a curse the whole nation of you because you are robbing me, if you want to know about how he views, you know, his blessings, because you're robbing me. Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse that there may be food in my house. Test me in this, says the Lord Almighty, and see if I will not throw open the floodgates. He said, the way out is to be very generous. I will throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out so much blessing that you will not have room enough for it.

So he allows you to gain a lot. I'll prevent pests from the devouring your crops. The vines in your fields will not cast their fruit, says the Lord Almighty. Then all the nations will call you blessed, for you will be a delightful land, says the Lord Almighty. you've said some harsh things against me says the Lord yet you ask what have we said against you you have little it is futile to serve God what we did what what we gained by carrying out his requirements and going about the mourners before the Lord Almighty but he's just saying certainly if the evil doers prosper or even those who challenge God escape so somewhere in all

of that is that's a difference between robbing God and being stingy. It's, it's. Well, even in the last verse, Phil, he says in 31, he says, this is how it will be with anyone who stores up things for himself, but is not rich towards God, which what a, that's a thought I'd never considered. How do you define being rich toward God? Yeah, that's right. Let's think about that.

That's what he's nibbling on. That means godly thing, everything's got, and you're just being radical in how you're using your possessions and money instead of what he was doing in the parable, which was a form of gloating when he said in verse 19, I'll say to myself, you have plenty of good things laid up for many years. Well, that's, that sounds like gloating to me. Right. Take life easy.

eat, drink, and be mercy. That would be the opposite of being rich towards God. Well, and let's take another break. One of the things, as you mentioned, which we haven't talked to us specifically what they are, but you mentioned all kinds of greed. And it's interesting because I just did a, I didn't even do a deep dive, but I just did a surface look at this word itself, greed and how it's used. If you go to Proverbs, greed is related to bribes, that which is unfaith.

In other words, when you bribe somebody, how does that greed? Well, it's unfair. You're paying somebody for something you don't deserve, and then you're getting something back. According to the proverb writer, that's greed. If you go to Jeremiah 6, Jeremiah 8, Matthew 23, even Jesus, greed is related to deceit, especially inside the spiritual, all those are spiritual content. These are religious leaders that are not taking care of the people, and they call them

greedy. So that's corruption. Then you got Paul in Corinthians and Ephesians. He uses the word greed in a context of sexual immorality. Well, like deceit. Yeah, remember when he's in, you mean in 5'3? Yeah. He said, there shouldn't be a hint of sexual immorality, which, look, people go around and think,

what does he mean by a hint? Right. I mean, it's kind of like I've said that people have asked me that. I'm like, well, you know, if I walked into my house and my wife was kissing, seen another man, that'd pretty much be a hint of sexism around. But then he uses or of any kind of impurity or of greed. Yeah. So in that context, that's more of speaking to the insatiable nature of greed.

In other words, it's nothing's ever enough, right? Well, and it's hidden. It's very, it's deceiving. Right. So Peter, in Second Peter, you. uses the word to talk about false teachers. Remember we studied Peter? He used greed in these secret and selfish manipulations.

These people in Malachi, they were going down a path. They were going down a path that involved, you store up your money on your own. You've got, I mean, you know, that's giving them to them too much. Yeah. I mean, so they were just taking advantage of what they should have been just. well being generous right yeah well unfortunately you could have the context of somebody given $50,000 to a kid's charity and you said boy and the guy doing it because he's like well look at me yeah look at you said I mean you could do something good right with the wrong

attitude and actually do it to give yourself an image that is not godly right and so the reason I bring all that up is dad and me to Malachi Jesus here which Jesus is talking about money and possessions. They're not about it. That's the context. But what I, well, the reason I want to broaden it is because greed is one of those, what I call root sins, that grows out a lot of stuff. And I think it's why so many writers use it in so many different contexts. Same with pride. If pride is your root cause, then it's going to close you off to doing what God wants you to do, and you'll get into all sorts of things. But you've got to get back to what is the root. And so in this context, the root is greed becomes the issue.

And so then once, but you call it just when that's your root problem, a lot of times you never recognize you're dealing with all the symptoms out here on the outer edge, but you never get to the heart of what you issue. And you mentioned it earlier, like that idea of comparison, because I think, too, even from a Western, you know, standpoint, I mean, if reading a verse like this, I don't really know percentage and everything, but we're wealthier than 90, whatever, percent of the whole world, you know, so I think we can say, well, we're not million. or billionaires or billionaires, whatever, but we're still wealthier than whatever the percentage is.

And, you know, talking about greed, it really is, and you kind of talk about a root system, like it's different for every people, right? You talk, like in verse 19, it says, and I'll say to myself, sit back because I can hoard it. But then there's the person who, you know, like you said, out of pride, wants to spend it all to have attention, whether it's a new car or a new house or, you know, fancy clothes. Like, you're not hoarding it, but you're still, it's still greedy in the sense of, like, how can you get yours kind of, thing, you know, so there's, it's, it's, it's multifaccent. I think even too, with comparison, we can say, well, at least I'm not hoarding my money, but I'm spending at all. Like, there's, there's so many

things like that. And I think, even too, you know, the Bible here is not also saying, don't be wise with your money. Like, you can invest your money and, you know, you don't have to, there's smart ways to do, but it's a different, you know, like you said, if you're saving it for your kids or for whatever. Like there's there's ways to be smart about it, but it's, if it ultimately, you know, we're going to get there in a second. But if, if you have so many worries around it and if that's just all consuming, then, yeah, then it is something to be aware of to watch out for. Yeah. And he makes it clear because he says, he says, here's what greed does. It makes you, it makes your life consist in the abundance of what you have. Yeah. I mean, that's what he said

you have to avoid. So whether you have a little or a lot, the heart is the same thing that goes in every time. And so that's what it's looking. Well, I thought about every time I... It made it a money-making enterprise. Oh. And it was going their way. Yeah.

I thought about every time I've ever had to watch out, it was either if I'm walking through the woods and I'm watching out for a venomous snake. Or a bear. Or a bear. Or the weather. You know, I'm going out hunting. I'm watching because I'm like, I don't want to get in a storm and die or I don't want to get bit by a poison snake.

But Keller made a really good point. Part of that is asking questions and doing this self-inventory and holding yourself accountable. Because you do ask what, you know, you're like, if you see a snake move in the woods, the first thing you want to determine, I had it happened this morning. I mean, the cleaning ladies were there. Missy called me and I knew she was at home, which is a bad sign. and I answered. I said, are you not here?

She said, I'm here. There's a snake. This cleaning lady discovered a snake in our little guest house. And I said, so what do you want me to do? She's like, I want you to come determine if it's poisonous, you know. So that's what my point is about asking questions. So I look, I was like, no, I'm poisonous. But I think asking yourself that or being open to how you all.

and we did a whole thing two podcasts ago about the sneaker preacher website. You know, if you're preaching the word and you're wearing $10,000 tennis shoes, it's just not a good look. But somebody needs to have that question with that pasture. It's not wrong to have a nice pair of shoes. But if you wind up on a website, it just looks like there's a double standard when, I think to Jesus's point here, he just got through Tom, about eternal life, heaven and hell,

not being ashamed of him, not blaspheming the Holy Spirit. And some guys like, hey, can you help me divide this family conflict and get my money? It's just, wait, what? Your priorities and you're not asking the right questions. Yeah, what I was getting at. I think like you said too, it's,

you know, you have to do an inventory of inwardly of yourself because everyone has different convictions and looked at things differently, right? So if someone gave you a million dollars, you might handle it differently than you might do it. And, you know, greed might look different, but you could have the money and it just be, you know, money. It's just a tool for you to use, but you could use it and, you know,

all about either hoarding it or spending it on yourself or whatever. So there's, you know, it's all about conviction. Like if you have a lot of money, like money is not bad. You know, Jesus, you know, wants us to have that. But it's not, you know, I'm against the whole prosperity gospel, which I'm sure y'all are too. Yeah. But this seems to kind of fly in the face.

Because when we read the, the next section he's going to get out there and he's like go sell everything and give it to the poor yeah i mean and that's kind of what he was saying if you're getting your security from that money and or you're getting your beauty because that's the two illustrations he's going to use and and i want to read it you because when you think about and go to the finish line think about this can money prolong your life no can it fix broken relationships no it actually causes more broken relationships than you could actually even attempt to fix.

If you get diagnosed with some disease, you're like, well, we're going to go to every hospital or do everything. Well, some diseases, money is not going to fix that. So all the great tragedies of life, if you really are fair and honest, it's not going to fix those things. So if you were putting your security in having it,

you see where you've gotten off here. And I think that's really his point. when he says, I mean, your very life could be demanded you this very night. He just said, don't worry about the person who can kill the body, but kill the soul for eternity. So there's something that's not measuring up when you're looking at how much your bank account saying, oh, boy, I've made it. Which at the heart, let's take our last word. Which at the heart of it, Jay, is exactly the parable. it's not that the guy is Jesus says it's a problem because he had a good crop it's not a problem

because he needed more places to store the crop in fact he has another parable where he says if you just take what you have and put it in the ground you're not doing what I want you to do I want you to grow that so he's not getting him for that he's getting him for when he said here's what I'm going to do I'm going to do all this so I can take it easy and just enjoy me I just need some meat to I mean that was his issue. And he says the reason he was a fool is because his life was going to end that day. Well, and I think he thought he had done it. He had done it.

It was about him. Every good and perfect gift is from above. But unless your crop came in and he thought, I'm just a better farmer than everybody. Right. So now I'm going to build some bigger barns. I'm just going to take it easy. Well, it's just all about him. But that's what I said when all these tragedies come up in his life, then what?

or what if your life ends? Now what? That's why it's a lie. It's a tool of the devil's workshop that is deceitful. And I think that it's really in our society way more prevalent than anyone wants to admit. Right. I mean, you know, somebody said, look, there's thousands that have been doomed because of sex or whatever, but there's tens of thousands over money and greed.

because it really is a bigger drive in force because it's so concealed and so deceitful and people put their faith and trust in it every day i think we should read you know let's read that because we only have a few minutes left the next response so when we get to verse 22 then jesus said to his disciples therefore and this is in the context of what it means to be rich towards god do not worry about your life what you will eat or about your body what you will wear life is more than food and the body more than close. Consider the ravens. So this is the first illustration.

The ravens, they don't have money. They do not sow or reap. They have no storeroom or barn, yet God feeds them. How much more valuable you are than birds. Who of you, by worrying, can add a single hour to his life? Since you cannot do this very little thing, why do you worry about the rest? And so here's the second kind of illustration about the beauty. Consider how the lilies grow.

They do not labor or spend, yet I tell you not even Solomon in all his splendor was dressed like one of these. If that is how God closed the grass of the field, which is here today and tomorrow is thrown into the fire, how much more will he clothe you, oh, you of little faith? And do not set your heart on what you will eat or drink. Do not worry about it. For the pagan, I think here's a really key phrase, runs after these things.

So you kind of get this idea of the two forms of greed, whether you're hoarding it or you're running after it. And your father knows what you need, verse 31, but seek his kingdom, and these things will be given to you as well. Do not be afraid, little flock, for your father has been pleased to give you the kingdom. them. Sell your possessions and give to the bore. Provide purses for yourselves that will not wear out. A treasure in heaven

that will not be exhausted. Where no thief comes near, no moth destroys. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also. It's really a powerful, it is. Very profound, radical view of money and possessions that when you get through all the things going on in our life, it's really true. I mean, this is a true fact. None of that's going to add anything to your life, worrying about it's not going to help. You're not going to be able to take it with you. You can't fix any of the big problems. And here, he quite bluntly says, you don't think God's going to take care of you.

And so then I think when you tie this passage in with verses like, you know, 1 Peter 2 about who we are we're God's holy nation, his possession, his, the word, the Greek word in there is for we're his treasure. It's just a slap in the face to think that you're going to put your faith in trust and run after these things when God is saying, what about me? You don't think I'm going to take care of you? Where's your faith at? Right. No, I think it's good. And we mentioned before, it's an expansion. He continues to expand the idea that it's not just about money. It's about it's about a decision it's about a heart um a couple of things the a couple of greek words here one in 22 and then one in 29 it's interesting because the words worry there's two different words

here the first one means distracted and that's the more common one we studied in luke 10 when martha was worried about he said martha you're worried about too much stuff and so that's kind of the distraction of worry but that's interesting in 29 is the only place in the new testament that word in verse 29 that says do not worry about it. This is a different Greek word. And the word here, it's the only time it's used. It means to be up in the air or suspended in space. That's what this word worry means. I don't even know how we would use it in English. But it's almost like someone compared to that I was studying this scholar, that it's almost like he's saying worry to the point of being spaced out. Like in other words, to the point where that's, you're so, it's so heavy on you

that that's all you can, you know, look to and look at. And you don't want to be out somewhere out in space. You've got to be back into the moment. So it is interesting that in both of these definitions, he gives us the idea that when we worry, we move away from trust in God and what he's given us then to use and to have. And so you're right. He uses a lot of different illustrations. Well, I've heard so many illustrations, which are good. You know, there was a book that I read about, you know, on this parable. And he was like, you know, the problem was the owner of the barns announced he thought he was an owner. And Jesus was showing him that he's just a tenant.

Yeah. And he thought he was in control. And actually, he can't control anything. But in our end of it, look, this is great philosophically and spiritually. It's very hard to live this practice. Yeah. Because let's face it, we, money is convenient. You can do more.

I mean, Phil's always funny lying. He's like, boy, I noticed the menu changed when the money, when we got a little money. You know, that's the first thing that changed. I said, well, it's the biggest change when you all got rich. I said, the menu. Yeah. Or a mom, you know, I've been poor.

I've been rich. Rich is better. Yeah. All right. So we got a lot more talk about. We just introduced a new thought into this idea of wealth and possessions. and we brought in the idea of worry. So we'll talk more about that.

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