Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 758 | Phil Wonders Who Taylor Swift Is & Why She's Interfering with 'The Blind'

Episode Date: September 25, 2023

Phil isn’t sure who Taylor Swift is or what she has to do with ‘The Blind’ but there’s a surprising connection to be made. Jase recalls the time he ran into her backstage and their eccentric conversation. The guys and regular guest Larry Bowles discuss the words “metamorphosis” and “exodus” as they apply to texts in the New Testament. Plus, Jase’s dream leads to an idea for a spiritual zombie movie? In this episode: 2 Corinthians 3, verse 18; 2 Corinthians 5, verses 17–21; Hebrews 10, verse 14 https://apple.co/theblind — "The Blind Movie Podcast: The Robertson Family Story" is here! For the first time, Phil, Kay, Si, Al, Lisa, Jase, Missy, Willie, Korie, Jep, Jessica, Phyllis, Zach, Jill, and Sadie come together on one podcast to tell stories you won't hear anywhere else. — Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? Welcome back to Unashamed. The y'all are in camouflage, so that must mean something. Oh, yeah. Well, we went tail hunting this morning. Old Jace struck. We weren't empty-handed. We got him.

You got him. They killed a few yesterday for a church. Well, they did. This is the first time. since I was about eight years old that I missed opening day of till season. So the government tried something new this year. Which we argued about because somebody said till season was old on Friday, and all of us said no.

Oh, I said, that's never happened. I said, you're wrong. And they said, oh, no, that's what it says. And I didn't look it up. Nobody looked it up. We all just said, no, it starts on Sunday. I mean, Saturday goes to the phone. That's the first time in 40 years they've done that.

that's the first time they've ever done that we're ever done that yeah yeah yeah they they hadn't that can only go back 40 years now that's that's his limit well i think i said this first time i miss opening the till season but i had to film and it was a 12 hour a day that was mapped out and i thought you know if i go till hunting and then go film for 12 hours i'm gonna be tired and so i just wasn't convinced since it's really dry in Louisiana and we have very little water and zero food, I said, I don't think it's going to happen. And it didn't. So they didn't fire a shot on opening day.

So I thought, okay, so why would I come the next day, which was a Saturday? Because I had another 12-hour day, and we were getting our little one that we're kind of the, I guess, godparents of at this stage. So the one that we kept when he was a baby, we were getting him for the weekend. I was like filming, we have the baby. They didn't fire a shot, so I didn't go Saturday. Got it right again. They didn't fire a shot.

So then I was off on Sunday. Because there's always the FOMO. Fear of missing out. It's the strongest motivation for a lot of reason. So then now Sunday I'm off, but we still have the little one. You know, we're going to go to church and I thought I could go, because T will only fly for the most part. up until 8 in the morning.

So it's a perfect system. You can go hunt till 7.30. You're not going to miss anything. And then meet with the brothers. But I just said they didn't get them the first two days. This is the year they never came. Wrong. It was a flight day.

So today's Monday that we're filming this. So yesterday they got them. And dad, you were teaching so you didn't go. He missed it. He missed it. Now the only thing, worse than what I did my missing Sunday is what Phil did. Phil did hunt the first two days two goose eggs then the day they came he missed I didn't miss because I was busy well you had a good

reason I'm not you were teaching a class that's an hour earlier than the church service so he had a good excuse yeah I'm not blaming you still did it hurt a little that you didn't go and then try it and get in or no so you're beyond FOMO no You don't have a little. It didn't bother me, but, you know, if they want to go shoot the devil's ducks, they can be well, the thing was preach the gospel on a good Sunday morning. You might see people from, and I looked up, and one guy was all the way from the Middle East. Yeah, he was from Iran.

He did respond to the gospel, so. So the man was from Iran. I heard the story. I didn't meet him, Mr. Did he come of Larry Bowles? He didn't, but I think they met. So Larry's here today. We're going to get him on a little bit.

We've also got a young couple here that was there yesterday, Seth and Kathleen, his wife, and a baby. We have a studio audience. Yeah, I think this is the first time we actually had a baby. It's a first baby in the house. A couple from Wyoming. They said, I told them about your visit. Yep. And they were, I impressed that y'all were at B&O out there.

It's beautiful. Yeah. So you were doing that, so you missed out. Stone told me he was on the hunt, but he had a couple of young bucks that hadn't hunted a lot, and so one of them tried to put 20-gauge shells in a 12-gauge gun, which doesn't work well. Basically, you create a bomb in your duck line.

So that could have been bad. Nothing bad. We were fortunate. It would have been eyeballing those two. Well, he had a stern talk afterwards. probably one he should have had prior, but about gun safety. But they did really well. We missed the flight day.

So we went back today because they came yesterday and because there's usually some leftovers, but there was only one. So I will prepare and eat that duck tonight. Everybody else is out, you know. One little greenway. Yeah. The best, by the way. Zach's here.

Zach, so today for the, The listener is the 25th of September. So that means three days from the movie releasing, which we're getting close. Yeah. So tell folks what they need to do. It's a little. We're on movie watch now. Yeah, I've been working on this for, man, I guess two and a half years now.

So, yeah, we come out three days. I'd say get your tickets now. I was just looking, you know, the big Taylor Swift. I know you guys are big Taylor Swift. that y'all probably went to the concert well Zach i'm not really keeping up with the taylor swift goings and comings but i'm glad you are yeah what does taylor swift have to do with any of this this the first time she's ever been mentioned she in the movie podcast she's not does she do a cameo did we use one of her songs taylor is a woman i thought it was a man yeah old taylor you know

yeah i keep up with all that stuff Hey there, Swim. Dad said, who's he? Well, she did the concert thing that just blew up. Well, now they're taking the concert and they've turned it into a movie. But her fans are so rabid that two weeks after our film, they've basically kicked every other film out except for this. I mean, she'll be on every screen and every theater in America.

So if you want to watch the blind, you probably have about a two-week window. I'd get your tickets now. Because it's going to be. Yeah. We're up against Taylor Swift. That's not who you want to be up against these days. Yeah. But, but yeah, it comes out.

You can go get your, I say get your tickets now. You can go to the blindmovie.com. So there's a sense of urgency now. Sense of urgency. Yeah, we go to sense of urgency. You know, get out there, get them while you can. Probably today is a good day to do it.

You can put in your location and it'll take you to all the theaters in your location if you go to the blind movie. com. So check us out. And then we'd love to hear on social media what you think about the movie. Go to Rotten Tomatoes. Tell us what you think. Bo, do all that stuff, all the stuff to get the message out.

I'm more concerned about the Rotten Tomatoes than I am Taylor Swill. What is that? Explain that, Zach, because that sounds bad. Every time I've been around Rotten Tomatoes, that's been a bad experience. I am on. Hold on. Hold on. Let me get on the edge of my seat.

Let's go to Rotten Tomatoes. Rotten Tomatoes for 20, Alex. And report it. Report in. I want to know how to do that. That's why this podcast is difficult. I'm trying to promote stuff. And y'all make it interesting.

I'll say that out. In your promotion, you brought up Taylor Swift and Rotten Tomatoes. You just drop it like, okay, yeah, go do you right. Rotten Tomatoes, they're a website that they rate movies and it's kind of a place where people. So it's a good advertising. People go to Rotten Tomatoes to read the read. Typically, you know, people like us are probably not going to get the best reviews from industry people. Okay.

So there is that. But that's why when, you know, the audience showing up, the audience score is what we're concerned about as the audience. So the Rotten Tomato score is from people that have seen something. So that's why it's important. So they said, let's name a movie critic database. Yeah, website, rotten tomatoes. And it actually works. I think it may come from the old, I'm just, I just came to me.

You know how they threw tomatoes and, like old bad fruit in the old medieval days? Okay. Yeah. If the show wasn't good, then you get, then they throw stuff at you. But it's kind of opposite because I'm assuming if you get a high score on rotten tomatoes, that's good. Is that correct? Yeah. Okay.

Yeah. So you want a high score. Rotten tomatoes. I will tell you this, though. Now, we'll tell you this, though, that Ben Stewart, who's a very well-known pastor up in D.C., we sent him a screener, and someone sent me a little video of him preaching yesterday. And he talked about the blind and just what a, I mean, he went on and on about how, really how brave Phil was to put his story out there. He said, you know, they could have made this movie about anything. They could have made it about his success in the duck call business.

They could have made this movie about, you know, the fame that was achieved during the day. Duck Dynasty. He said, I mean, he was blown away. So, but they made this film about the hardest parts of filling Kay's life. But on the other side of that is this incredible story of redemption. And he, I mean, he just raved about it. And everyone that's seen it so far has just been like brought to tears at how the just the transformative power of Jesus as displayed in filling Kay's life. So, I mean, this really is a movie of hope.

I think you guys are going to absolutely love it. I mean, it really turned out amazing. It's not Duck Dynasty. So if you think you're going to a Duck Dynasty show, it's not that. I mean, let me just tell you right now. It's not that. This is a raw, real story. And there's some humor in it, but it's not, this is a hard film to watch in some regard,

but it's also, you know, hopeful. And that's pretty much all the feedback. I give you a little shot here. Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation, the old has gone. which is kind of what this movie's about. It's exactly what the movie's about. The new has come.

All this is from God who reconcile us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting men's sins against them. So I had many. And the movie shows a lot of them. And he has committed to us, the message of reconciliation

was at the heart of what this show was about. They're fixing to see. The blind and everything that went on there. So we implore you on Christ's behalf trying to, through this movie, be reconciled to God. God made Him, who had no sense, to be sin for us. What a statement.

So that in him we might become the righteousness of God. That's sort of what the guts and the nuts and bolts of the movie they'll see with me. And why I said, it's kind of embarrassing. But you know what? If we win one, that's one more than me. had. No, that's very well said that. When I first went to dad to talk about the movie, Zach, when you guys were contemplating,

I thought something similar, except I used the book. It's not the kind of information where one will hear about a movie about himself that he'll be jumping up and down, said, oh, yay, look at me. No. It's like, if you can stay with it until the end, you'll find out there is a way out. Look how great I am. I compared it to the book of Romans. I told Dad, I said, Dad, Romans 4 through the end of the book would not be near as beautiful if you didn't read Romans 1 through 3.

And so that really is, to me, the point of the film is we can appreciate the goodness and greatness of God when we see the ugliness of who we are. And that's not just dad, that's any of us because we're all soon. Yeah, that's the, when I made the decision to kind of like, press into the fall. It was because there's a biblical arc and pretty much the whole Bible of creation. I may have said this before in the podcast. It's creation,

fall, redemption, and restoration. And you can also add to that glorification one day. But it's this idea that God created everything and it was very good. Creation. Fall, man fell, Genesis 3. Redemption,

God paved the way through Jesus. And then restoration, God is is progressively restoring us back to our original position in the garden. And I think one of the areas in film, particularly in Christian film, that I always wanted to see more of us is we kind of try to whitewash the fall. We try to make it palatable. And,

you know, this film is not that. We really wanted to, not in a glorifying way, wanted to show, you know, what sin really looks like. The reality.

What pain, yeah, what it looks like. And I think, I think we are able to accomplish that. And that way, when you see that, like you said,

Romans 3, you read Romans 3, then all of a sudden Romans 5 is a whole lot more. It means a whole lot more while we were enemies Christ died for the ungodly, understanding what that means in Romans 3 that all of sin falling short of God's glory. So yeah, that's a great point out. That's what we tried to accomplish. If one could ever grasp, because by one sacrifice when Jesus died on a cross, by one sacrifice, that one, he has made perfect for.

Forever those who are being made holy. Love it. Hebrew's 10. In the spirit of Larry Bowles, we're over on our one. That's right. So we're going to take a break. We got L.B. in the house. He's chomping at the bits over here.

He's had a big retreat this weekend. He got spiderbed. He's got all kinds of stories. So we're going to take a break. We're going to bring in Larry and set him up and we'll go from there. We'll see on the other side. So welcome back. We have L.B. in the house.

Hey. How are you? Oh, is the Oklahoma wind is blowing you right in. It is. Yeah, that's one thing we got there. Plenty of the country. Well, I mean, sometimes. Oh, yeah.

I'm here now. So you're heading. I'm not a holographic image. You head out next week. Are you going back to it back over next week? Yeah. Yeah. Just as a reminder, because I like to mention this, Larry's a regular on here.

Most of you know and love him like we do, but he does an amazing work. It's AccroCenter. dot org is where you can find out about his work. But in Athens, and especially refugees that come from the Middle East, that's where a lot of them are. It's kind of the epicenter of what they call the refugee highway. And a lot of people have asked about you Larry, and we've talked about four, you're a retired firefighter. It's not like you're a trained preacher.

I'm a common. In fact, your wife says don't call you a preacher. Yeah, exactly. I can't do that. Although it's kind of like with dad. It's like, okay, you could say you're not, but let's face it, Larry, you're pretty good preacher. I actually went with Larry to Athens.

Look, we were there a couple weeks, I guess. No, you were there five days. Five, it may have seemed like two weeks of you, but it was five. No, but that's, you just nailed it. That's Jay's five days. It's two weeks. He could not find ice tea anywhere. And he thought he was going to die.

And I took him aside. I said, Jay's, you're going to be. okay you're here for five days you're gonna make it you're gonna make it and he finally found some ice i found some ice tree and i actually larry's been going over there for a decade and it took me to find a place that you could actually eat and enjoy yourself oh my and it was fantastic was it not we's we got to get out of this city what you what do you mean you found well i put my people on it i said i think i drove you there yeah think about after three days i said hey they're going going to have to fast for the rest of it or we're going to have to find somewhere else to eat.

He got a fish and the guy came out and laid this fish out and lifted that gill and that's what that's what impressed me. It was like a glitter finish on a bass boat. He was just like, we were on, they found, I was wanting to get out of the city and that we found a beach that had a restaurant and it was very expensive. I think that's why they hadn't been there before. I'm like, you know, I'm buying if I had. It wasn't really a mission. missionary place. One kingdom was buying. He's like, yeah, I'll take that.

I was like, whatever, we got to do. And so this, the guy, I was like, where's the menu? And he brought out, like he said, a, I think he's like a piece of wood. And he had three fish on them. Which is one thing I like about it over there. They'll show you, they give you the preview of what you're going to cook for you. I enjoyed the ferry when we went. Yeah.

Every place. Well, there you go. There you go. There's a difference in garbage disposal humans when it comes to food. Oh. And people that have a palate for a reason. He's a man. Well, Zach, I think that was aimed at you.

I think it was, Jay says. What did you think? Garbage disposal. Do you also eat at potlucks on the sunny potluck? Are you first in line? No, I'm not first in line. I will do it to be nice. Well, I'm not there.

I eat the stuff that I brought. I eat the stuff that I brought, and then that's how we, if I know you and I know you can cook, I'll put it, I'll put it on my place. Well, Paul said to eat what is put in front of you. Don't raise questions. Well, Taylor Swift said she wrote a song about potlucks. The name of it is, why you got to be so mean? We're having a Taylor Swift game today. There should be no ketchup.

No ketchup in this issue. They're going to write up as the tagline for this podcast. Taylor Swift is the only Taylor Swift song that I ever heard that I liked. I thought that was pretty creative. It was not talking about potlugs, but I took some liberties there. Maddie, will you reach out and see if you can get Taylor Swift to be on our podcast? We want her as a guest now. I met Taylor Swift.

Has anybody else here met her? You met her? I met and sat right beside her and had a conversation. Wow. Now, I'd love to tell you what we talked about, but I really wasn't following her. Okay. Yeah. I'm just being honest.

Where were you at? I was at some kind of award show. Is that back who did the CMAs back in the day? It wasn't that one. She used to be a country singer. What's weird is I was with my wife, and it was country artists there because I met a lot of country music singers that night. Got invited to go deer hunt with, who's the one that invited me to go deer hunt? The one that says I like my chicken fried on a Zach.

Zach Brown? Zach Brown. Yeah, I met him. See the one that just got in trouble? Is that him? No, that's Zach. Zach, somebody. Brian.

Okay. So anyway, so I'm sitting there and we had a break. And everybody's meeting all the fans. Well, you know, I met them. So I'm just sitting there. And I looked up, and it's just me and Taylor Swift. sitting there and we just started having a conversation you know and we talked when i met her parents they came up yeah had some of her other family there so this is before she was like a mega i think she was

a star i think you know yeah for it all like it is now it was back when she was trust me there would never be a scenario now where you were sitting somewhere and it was just you and taylor swift it was man it's never going to happen again that ship has sailed that ship has sailed there's going to be some beefy people between you and taylor swiss yeah this is It's probably before she became the megastar because when we went backstage, Missy's like, well, who was that singer you were talking to? And I couldn't remember her name. This reminds me a little bit about when, you know, this WFR men's retreat that we just had.

A year ago, there's a truck driver, and his name's Richie. And I happened to be preaching, and he had listened to this podcast. And he's driving down I-20, and he's like, it was a Sunday morning. he's like, something made me just turn the wheel. And he went down and he's like, if there's a place to park, I'm going to park and go in and hear this. So he did. And he comes over and there's a park across the, you know, street there. He parks, comes in, listens.

I finish preach. He comes down. He gets baptized. And so we've been kind of hooked up for a year. And so when I found out about this retreat, I'd never been to one and didn't know anything about it, but I told him about it. Well, he was trying to get his schedule together and all that. And so he calls WFR and tries to get in and talks to somebody there. And I'm telling you this, just the level of influences podcast has across this nation.

So he's driving, you know, incessantly up and down the road, listen to every word. And he calls in and he said, well, you know, I don't know if there's room. It's kind of already filled up. And they told him the women's retreat. sold out in like eight minutes and he's like he calls me he's like is this kind of like a taylor swift concert and it fortunately he got in and it was a great week so he was there yeah this is fantastic by the way i'll tell you a funny story when she asked me uh who i was singing for i didn't know what to say because she just looked at me and made an assumption i'm i'm inside

the ropes you should have said sons of the pioneer yeah or i don't you're You're not Billy Gibbons, are you? You know, or something like that. I thought she was being sarcastic because, you know, I mean, there wasn't a little show, you know. But, you know, with ducks. I mean, we're not Taylor Swift, but, I mean, we did have a show. So I actually said, no, I'm in the band. And she was like, oh, she's like, what instrument do you play?

And I was like, I play the duck call. There you go. She said, excuse me? And then I said, no, we're ducats. No, we're duck people. I said, you know, we got, we had a little show. And she was like, oh, that's, that's neat. Yeah.

So that was that. Apparently she was not a big fan. You started with the, you know, the wash-gooth base. She was busy building her megastard career. I got a, that's neat. For all you Taylor Swift fans, I got a, that's neat. What do they call them, say? Is it Swifties, Swifties?

Swifters. They have a name for it. I'm not up on all my But now that I know about rotten tomatoes I feel like I mean anything's better than rotten tomatoes This has been one of the most informative nonsensical conversations Larry came on for a good Bible discussion

It's out to the Bible It feels like we're wasting a lot of time Hang out, let's do that Let's take a break All right so Larry one last thing before we get to a Bible text So you got bit by a spider Yeah apparently That's the first thing I heard was

Yeah I saw yesterday Yeah, yeah. So there's Larry. He's preaching. He looks like he's excited. So Kellett says, yeah, he got bit like 15 times by the spider. And I was like, how do you get bit more than once? I don't know. Was this at the retreat? I mean, I had like six on my neck, the back of my neck. Of course, the big one up here was the worst one. But it, yeah, after I got, this happened Thursday night, Friday morning I get up. And I thought, well, you know, not that big a deal. About four hours later, this thing had just blown up and it was marching, you know. And so I told them about it.

And so they had... Did somebody come out and give you a shot? No, she came out and looked at it, and we decided it probably wasn't a brown recluse, but we didn't know what it was. And so... The fact you're still alive is... But, yeah, it's... I'm thinking, well, there's 120 guys at this camp.

I'm the only guy that gets bit. And I'm like, well, amen, you know? What it is? There's you're sleeping really well. Apparently. Apparently. It didn't, I mean, it didn't really hurt, but a Z-pack and some... you know,

antibiotics and it was better. But I was thinking, you know, I'm preaching Sunday and then podcast Monday. Well, they were at a camp, and he did tell me at Camp Shoka, that his bunk mate was Burley. Yeah.

When I heard that, I thought, well, that's where the spider comes. There's no telling what's living in the beard and hair of one dame, Burley, but he's an RN.

He's a nurse. It was great. He was, you know, I was paramedic. He's an RN. And so, anyway,

it was. But yeah, it's, The medicine really helped. I think eventually we make it to Luke 13, but I wanted to, your sermon yesterday was so good. And by the way, you can find that WFRchurch.org when this comes out. By then, it'll be up, and so you can go watch the whole thing. But you were from Luke 9, which we've already talked about, the transfiguration.

But it was just really, really rich and really, really good. And the idea that about transformation was what I found so powerful about it. Of course, you were coming off a great weekend where a lot of people were transformed, no doubt about it. Oh, my goodness. They had a men's retreat. Men's retreat. That they have in our community. It's not just our church.

It's any churches and like men come from the community. Right. And we had a guy there from Canada. Yeah. I mean, it was crazy. And FYI, if you want to listen to the sermon, carve out an hour. Oh, my goodness. You know.

Now look, I'm only saying that. Now, I'll blame me because he has such a long text. I'm going to make you feel better. I'm going to make you feel better. So I have my first church event of the year. I suspended all church events for the year because we're doing this podcast. I'm doing this show and there's just not, there was not enough days in the week. But I could not say no to Hernando, Mississippi.

Oh, no. Because that's right south of Memphis. And that's basically where our. public ministry started. I mean, we've told this story before, but the first outdoor show we did after the second duck video, when we went to Memphis, Tennessee at a Duck's Unlimited meeting, the people for the first time in all our trade show experiences gathered up before we got there. And so I've always felt like that area has supported us, so I just couldn't say no. and I had about right at 600 men and they had a man camp kind of like what y'all did this past weekend so this was Wednesday night this so just a few days ago but it had been so long since I had spoken and I got there and just there was electricity in the room and we kind of did the VIP meet and greet I met a lot of these guys and some of them came there with heavy hearts and we had Bible studies and

prayers during the meet and greet turned into just kind of a spiritual strengthening. And so I was all wound up. And I looked down at my clock and I thought I'd gone about 40 minutes. And I was like, all right, we got, we got four more minutes. And then when I wrapped up, I realized that it had been another 24 minutes since I had said four minutes. So I went about an hour and five minutes. So, which I think it was good.

It was just way too long. Yeah. And so then when you got up yesterday. I went 45 minutes. Yeah. Yeah. Was it? Yeah.

Okay. Go back and check. But in your defense, they gave you not only the transfiguration, but about three more paragraphs than Luke 9. They assigned me 35 verses, the context of which is in the first 27. There's 62 verses in Luke 9. And so when I come back and. December and preach, he's going to write me and say, okay, you got verse 36 on this, whatever it is. One verse. So a minute. And I'll preach 45 minutes on it. I get it too. You had a 10 minute

introduction and you gave each verse a minute. That was pretty good. That's a good better way to look. Well, and but to and also in a case like this, this is what they call return Sunday. So everybody's coming in. So other people speak a little bit about the retreat. And so it does pack a lot into a morning. But we were also trying to stay in our text in Luke, you did a great job. I just, I thought you dealt with the text exactly like you should have fairly, but out of these atmosphere of Sunday morning as well as the weekend, I just thought it fits so well. I thought, yeah, that was my thinking. I had to write the sermon long before I got there because there's no time, but it just dovetailed beautifully.

It was very good. It was a couple of things I wanted to mention before we moved to this other. You got a page of notes. I saw you on the front row. Did you see me take a note just? Uh-huh. I was like, this is not going to go well tomorrow. Usually I ask them about anything controversial, but...

Obscure. So I loved it. I had never thought about the idea that they were sleepy from sorrow. Yeah. I thought it was really interesting. That's in Mark. Because you had the case like in Gassimony. Right.

And so the idea there is you're thinking, well, you know, it's at late. Why can't these guys stay awake with you? Exactly. And so, but you brought up the point because you pointed the context prior that, you know, He had just told him about his death and what he was going to do. But I thought about it even more so than you went into yesterday that we talk about depression. You know, we talk about people when they're depressed, what do, they sleep a lot because it's hard from them to face. A broken heart will make you take a nap.

It really will. It's just you just shut down. Yeah, I know. Well, I take a nap every day, so I need some counseling. Well, you got a lot going on. It may only be 10 minutes, but. And you guys have been through some rough spots here lately. Yeah, we have.

Ever since that Taylor Swift discussion, he's had, he's not sure. Right now he's wanting to go take a nap. There's a couch over there. He doesn't know how he can live with himself. Let's take another break. So I thought that was really interesting. I thought that was, I made some notes about that for future looking, especially because there's so many people that suffer in sorrow and depression from difficulty.

And so I thought that was really good about how we get woke up. And then the other ones, you talked about the word. metamorphosis tell a little bit about that the background of that word and how that the other places you used it which I thought was really powerful yeah it's only appears four times in the New Testament in in two texts on this transfiguration and it's it's two Greek words metamorpho is the word and and so it's morphae meaning form and and or body, and then meta, meaning change.

And so his form is changed. And so it's used twice to apply to that what was happening on that Mount of Transfiguration. And then the other two times, it's applied to us that we're to be transformed by the renewing of our mind. Same verb describing the same thing. And then Paul uses it in 2 Corinthians talking about as we gaze into the face of Christ and behold his glory. we are transformed into his likeness from one level of glory to another. Yeah. And so my point is, is that can people see Jesus living in you?

Yeah. Because Jesus talks about salt and light in a city on a hill that can be hidden. And I just think the greatest witness, you know, how do you have influence and impact? You know, I want people to see Jesus and me when I'm walking down the aisle of the grocery store, you know. And I just, I want to be changed into his likeness to the point that that people can actually see Christ oozing out of me. And the other verse you had was where it's used as St. Corinthiansthus 318. And we who with unveiled faces all reflect the Lord's glory are being transformed into his likeness with ever increasing glory, which comes from the Lord

who is the Spirit. Exactly. That was your other verse. Okay. Which was very powerful. Yeah. That idea. Yeah, it is. I mean, because we think, well, you know, how different can I be? Well, there's evidence right there. That's exactly right. Yeah. What's a good point? I mean, think about the movie that is Phil's journey to salvation, but what happens the next 50 years is that transformative process.

That's so progressive. And it's, I think a lot of people, they want that one. and done. You know, they think that come to Jesus and I'm done. But man, transformation is a, it's a lifetime journey. You look back at 40 years, you know, you're like, man, I'm not even, I don't even know who that guy was. You know what I mean? Right. But that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, substantial sanctification, but it's the transformation that happens over a lifetime. Exactly.

And, I mean, that was the, that was the theme kind of for this retreat was Acts 413, is that these are, they recognize these two guys as, as common idiotes, it says in the Latin Vulgate, common idiots, you know, ordinary, uneducated men who had been with Jesus. There was something about them that they could recognize as, as Peter and John are speaking in that moment. Oh, I remember even when I was studying about coming to Jesus in my own life, I remember reading that verse thinking, okay, there's a place for me here. I don't have to, because I never view myself as very smart.

I'm just an ordinary, uh, idiosi. But I was like, oh, yeah. It actually says it. It does say that. Well, I've used that. I was on a movie with Chris Anderson's movie, Bible Idiot, so I know what that means. Well, I've used that. illustration many times about now in our current culture, everybody has this, oh, you know,

looking to yourself and be what you want to be. I actually made that point in my speech Wednesday because I saw a big billboard that said that be who you want to be. It was some advertisement for whatever. And I heard the illustration that kind of changed my life on that is when you try to get your image or your identity. and looking in yourself rather than what God thinks and getting your image there.

When you think about it, the fault of that is, well, which version of yourself are you going to look into? Because when I was 15, you know, I thought I knew everything. Then I when I was 25, I looked back on my 15-year-old self and thought, man, what an idiot. But then when I got 35, I looked back on my 25-year-old self and thought, oh, I was just an idiot. Right.

And then I'm getting progressively worse. I got 45. Yeah. I'm doing the same system. So I'm like, well, which person in myself am I supposed to go to? Because what I've, I've pretty much figured out that at every point in my life up until now, I've pretty well been an idiot. Yeah. Yeah.

You know? That's right. That's exactly right. It is a, it's not a road you want to go down. I wanted to pick up. My favorite point, which is so interesting because you weren't in our podcast when we addressed Luke 9, but when we did the podcast on first and second Peter, I was looking at the Greek word. You brought out metamorphosis.

Is it metamorphosis? Yeah, it's metamorphio as the Greek. Well, when you made the point in Luke 9 where when Jesus, now here he is talking to Moses and Elijah, who, I don't know how many years ago they were on the earth, but it's been a while. So the fact that you just have that statement, he's having a conversation. But you brought up the point. It says, Jesus spoke, or they spoke about his departure. And you gave the Greek word for that.

It's Exodus. It's Exodus. Well, the only other place that's mentioned is in Second Peter. And when Peter mentioned it, which you couldn't, you didn't have time to go into this. obviously. You referenced it. I only took 45. If I took her an hour and five, I'd have got her. If you'd have got into this, you'd still be talking. But so when Peter did, I love, I'll just, I think this is very powerful. When he was talking about in chapter one in verse 13 of sacred Peter, he said, I think it is right to refresh your memory as long as I live in the tent of this body.

because I know that I will soon put it aside as our Lord Jesus has made clear to me. And then in verse 15, he says, and I will make every effort to see that after my departure, it's the same word. Same word, Exodus. Exodus. You will always be able to remember these things. And then he talked about not following cleverly invented stories, you know, when they told about Lord Jesus. This is his testimony of this event. And he goes to the transfer.

Well, when you think about what the Exodus means, which I don't know why they don't just translate it, Exodus, when you go back to Exodus, God's people, he liberated them from one condition, speaking of metamorphosis and transformation, and brought them out of bondage into a promised new land. And when you look at what Exodus really means in the Greek, it's not just departure. it also is an arrival. It's freed from something to something. Exactly. It's a journey. It's a journey.

It's not a death. A death happens, you know, pretty quick. An Exodus is a departure. You know, as Jesus goes to the cross, and he's three days in the tomb, and he's raised, and then he's, you know, all these resurrection appearances before the ascension. Forty more days, yeah. That is, that's a journey. It's an Exodus.

That's where I was going. Look, so now. As human beings, we focus on the departure, the death, and not so much the arrival. And it's both things. You think of that verse, we're liberated from the bondage of decay. Right. And so it makes you view death in Jesus way more positive. It's an exodus.

This is a process that we're going to go through. But it's just as much about our arrival as because we have the Spirit of God. into this imperishable immortal state where we will spend way more time than we did on on the earth. Right. And so it's not something that we have to be depressed about. Jesus, it was 40 days, but back in the original Exodus, it was 40 years. Exactly. And this number of 40 is always kind of a time of preparation. And that's the arrival you're talking about. But I think the Apostle Paul addresses this in one sentence. That process that we just described to live, live is Christ, to die is gain.

Exactly. And so here's that journey and there's the arrival right there. Exactly. Well, that's what he's giving us a glimpse into with the Transfiguration. The fact that you're having a conversation with two men that we thought were long gone. Yeah. Well, that ought to tell you something right there. I'm going to go with him.

Whatever he's involved in to be able to have this conversation, that's something. That was, let's take our last break. That was Larry, one of the things. another point that I thought was say it was you talked about the two witnesses and how that you need two or three witnesses. So you're talking about Moses and Elijah being that witness of who Jesus is, but then the third witness became the father. Exactly. Here comes that third. And this is what Jesus said. If I testify about myself, doesn't mean anything, but the father's testimony. Right. And so, you know, when when God comes and just stops everything with the weight of his glory and they fall flat and he says, this is my son.

Yeah. And it's like Peter gets interrupted mid-sentence. First he gets rebuked by Jesus for saying, no, not on my watch. You're not going to die. And then he gets rebuked by God, the father. You know, this guy is having a rough time here getting the point. But you painted that picture really well about Peter because we talked about that too when we went through this on the podcast.

But Luke even says, you know, he didn't really know what he was saying. And it's just kind of like he was just trying his best. his heart. So, but the idea that he was trying to establish, he was saying, let's do this right now. Let's eliminate the pain. That was really good. Eliminate the suffering. I mean, here we've got, you know, it's just build the tabernacles. The prophets and Jesus, you know, right here. And it's just total religion for him. And it's like, you know, what's stopping us? Why do we have to go die? And I mean, Peter's such a tenacious guy and his theology is pretty hardwired. And, you know, he is, he is, He's a defender, you know, he's a fighter, and I mean, he's the first guy to pull that sword.

I think that's why he mentions it in Second Peter is because it's almost a chance to go back and say, here's what I now recognize. You know, and I love that because how often in our theology do we go and look at something we think that we believe? I always say be careful what you believe because your beliefs rule over you. You don't really rule your beliefs. It's like stop, drop, and roll. You know, best time to think about what to do when you're on fire is not when you're on fire, it's before.

Right. And he's walking through this theology and letting go of old beliefs, man, that's that transformation process right there. It is like, okay, I don't know everything. It's like you just said, you know, when you're 15 or you're 25, when you're 35, and you look back and what you're doing is reevaluating what you believe. We're in a battle over our minds. We're being transformed by the renewing of our minds.

And if you believe something and you can't tell me why you believe it, it's probably dangerous for you to believe it. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. This is a really good point. Well, you caused me to have a real interesting dream last night because I did. Oh, really? Yeah, I did. So I don't know.

Should I share it? I don't know. It's a little out there. We're all dead. Okay. And we're zombies. Okay. So here's what happened.

I, maybe it's because Zach keeps talking about this movie. So somewhere I'm just getting influence. So I had a dream and the fact that I remember it. I'm like, we need to have a movie about the zombie apocalypse because there's thousands of movies about zombie apocalypse. But they're always, you know, their guts are hanging out. They're bloody. Everybody's terrified.

But this was like we were zombies, but we were showing the fruits of the spirit. It was like the opposite of ugly, evil, they're wanting to kill people. Right. So all the zont, we're like all trying to help people and be kind. Wow. We were good zombies. It was good zombies. Actually, you remember a Christian rock band, audio adrenaline?

You ever heard of them? You probably never, anyway. No, but I've heard audio. But they wrote a song called zombie, some kind of zombie. And this is the exact premise of that song is that, and that's the visible. The theme song. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, it's already done.

So make your movie and then call audio A. Maybe get Taylor Swift will attach her to it. Maybe cover zombie. But I was telling the producers in the dream that movie that says, your body is dead because of sin. Where's that at in Romans 7? Yeah. That's your live.

Yeah. Romans 8, 10. But if Christ is in you, your body is dead because of sin. your spirit is alive because of the rights. I was telling the producers, so this is the concept. You know, we're, as believers, we're zombies. I just read it. But they were, it was just cricket.

Yeah. I was like, we're going to make the movie. We're all going to be dead, like the same, and you think, oh, here comes another zombie movie. Yeah. I said, but then they're all. You had to walk like that when you're going to. Yeah, yeah, you're walking around. You have to hold your zombies.

You got to hold your hands like. But then cleverly, we're going to do good things. make the world a better place. So they're getting ready to shoot us in the head, and they're like, wait, wait, wait. No, look, he's helping. No, I used a scriptry yesterday, and I can't pull it off the location on top of my head. But is that this transformation process that we're talking about earlier, Paul says that those of us who live, where are alive in Christ, are continually being given over to death

so that his life will be made manifest in our mortal bodies. And that's that, that's the idea. Who is doing the giving over to death? Who do you think that is? We walk in the suffering of Christ, the fellowship of his suffering. We're being formed into something. And one thing that you spoke to me earlier about, we're talking about these mountain top experiences.

The mountain top experience is not intended to teach us. us anything. It's intended to make us something. And the true test of our life in Christ, Christ in us the hope of glory, is not the ability to ascend that mountain. It's the ability to descend that mountain and come back down into that sinful, broken, fallen world and lift up the glory of Jesus. Which is really what the gospel is all. That was the line of this. Yeah, that Jesus came down from the mountain top. Yeah, right there, and the next day. The next day they come down and there's the demon-possessed boy.

So I wrote down a song, but since we're out of time, I have to sing this in the overtime. A song. Yeah, if you want to hear this song that I wrote down from that one statement you just made, you'll have to come check it out in overtime. We'll have a little bit more with our friend L.B. Larry Bowles, and overtime, Larry's always great to have you on the podcast. Thank you. PlacTV.com slash Unashame is where you go to find me.

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