Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 759 | Phil Can’t Wrap His Head Around Zombie Movies & Jase Converts a Racist to Jesus

Episode Date: September 27, 2023

Jase dreams of an epic, if peculiar, movie idea straight from the Bible, but Phil doesn’t quite get on board. Lieutenant Colonel Allen West joins the guys to discuss the problems facing our nation currently and what can be done to fix them. Jase recalls a time that he baptized a person who grew up in a racist home, and Lt. Col. West and the guys agree that the kingdom of God includes people from all walks of life.  In this episode: Romans 8, verse 1; Romans 8, verse 10; Proverbs 22, verse 6 — Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? Welcome back to Unashame. I guess we're going to open with a production meeting. That Zach missed last podcast. We actually had this on the last podcast, but Zach had stepped away. You were. You weren't until we looked up and you weren't. But this podcast is complete with special effects.

And one of the greatest special effects that we have is that will disappear. in the blink of an eye. You just, every time you see a bookshelf, there's just, there's no Zach. I think every time Zach, I don't know what.

Yeah, I was going to, I had a movie idea, and we were going to have a production meeting. I was so excited. It was right at the end of the last podcast with Bowles. So Larry Bowles preached Sunday at WFR we talked to me. He preached like four hours and seven minutes.

And now that he's gone. Now that he's gone. And, it was, it was a mini series. of a sermon. That was fantastic. It is worth your time.

No, it was like 45 minutes, but it seemed longer. And it was just so riddled with Bible verse, it was more like a class. But in Larry's defense, you know, when I was with him in Athens, Greece, and he would speak, the class that all these refugees would come to

from every country that you've never heard of, the average class was four hours. Oh, yeah. And these people, nobody ever got there was no yons only in america do you sit down and expect to be 30 minutes everywhere else in the world they're like oh no we came a long way to be here yeah i said i told you a few weeks ago i preached a 53 minutes sermon of uh so i'm like i'm in that camp i was an hour and five minutes on my wednesday night thing which i felt bad about it but uh missy's

like don't feel bad i'm sure it's fine so we had a meet because i after i I heard that sermon. You know, I went to sleep that night, and I had a dream, and it was a movie idea. It was good zombies. I don't know what we'll have to work with the title. But every zombie apocalypse movie, they're always evil and bloody and boring. This is how the last podcast it ended, but it was with this idea. Yeah, this idea.

I went through it, and Larry actually had a theme song. What was this group? It's audio adrenaline. I'd never heard of that. And he said they had a song about this, what James. is describing in this dream. So that's our, that's our movie theme song,

potentially. Audio, it was, I suggested we get Taylor Swift to cover the song for us. I'm sure she would, so we can attach her to the project. I've already told you.

Since she's taking over the movie theaters, you know, and she knows Jace. You know, we, we know, we, we are acquaintances.

And so what the, the theme came from the transfiguration because it was actually, I didn't say this on a podcast, but Jesus was talking to two zombies. Moses had been dead

1,500 years. Is that not a zombie? Big time. He was having a conversation with him. And so, you could do this. You know, you could have special effects because Elijah was there. He was the king of the fireballs. You know, when he called down the fireballs on two different occasions. And so you could have that in the movie,

but only throw fireballs. So he's still in Jason's vision for the movie, the zombies still have the kind of herky jerky movements. You still got the kind of classic zombie because you're dead. But they're good zombies. But you're good because when you meet them, instead of them wanting to eat your brains or whatever, they're wanting to share the fruits of the spirit with you.

Yeah. That's the twist. It's all, it's, it's a classic tension. It's warm and fluffy except when you need fireballs, we have those, but it has to be something that fireballs would be. Don't, zombies don't throw fireballs, though. What does that mean?

Well, it's... He's two. Now we're back into the Bible, because now you've challenged my idea. In Jesus world, zombies could do anything. Okay, so Luke 9, you have the transfiguration. Zombies. Moses and Elijah's there. Two paragraphs later, they, the disciples, James and John, they went to the Samaritan village, and those people said, get out.

out of here. And so when the disciples, James and John, 54 of chapter, chapter nine, they said, they asked the Lord, do you want us to call fire down from heaven to destroy them? But Jesus turned and rebuked them and they went to another village. Where did they get that idea? Because they just saw Elijah as a zombie and they thought, oh, fireballs are back on the table. I just saw Elijah. Now, he did rebuke them, but if you had something in the movie that was Fireball warranted, I think you're the movie mogul and you miss the production movie. I'm just saying, I'm giving you the concept, make it work for the Lord. We're not the creatives here, is that?

We're just the people of the idea. We'll see how the blind movie does. If it does well, then this may be one of those projects we've got to put back to the people like Duck Family Treasure, where we, you know, we polled the audience. I got to get a vision for that, Jay, so it's complicated, you know, but we'll see. Well, in the movie business, you need, I just gave you the body, the point. Yeah. You need, we need to figure out Unashamed Nation and you being the movie mogul, we need to figure out the legs.

The legs of it all. The tentacles of the movie, the way we'll go with it. I think you could make it a half comedy, half, but seriously, though, kind of. I did see a, like a. I don't, doesn't see the whole movie, but kind of a comedy zombie. The guy, he was a zombie, but he kind of had some good in him. Was it? Woody Harrelson, was he in it? Yeah, yeah, I think that was it.

Yeah, it was kind of funny, I mean, but they were still scary, but it kind of had a lot of humor to it. The guys like making up all the rules for. Well, the audio adrenaline song is called Some Kind of Zombie. I looked it up. I was thinking of the cranberries because I grew up in the 90s. Yeah, I remember the, So the theme verse for the movie, I left that out just to put a button on this, is Romans 8, 10. But if Christ is in you, your body is dead because of sin.

Yet your spirit is alive because of righteousness. And if the spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his spirit. That's good. It's the zombie. We are a zombie. You're good. Now you got it. We're some kind of zombie.

Some kind of zombie. That's the name of it. That's the name of the movie right there, Al. Yeah. Some kind of zombie. We need to get a hold of audio adrenaline guys and see if we can, yeah, we'll have to work a deal with this. Look, you could put underneath that, the name of the movie, the tagline is coming to a dead body near you. Some kind of zombie.

So, Dad, what do you think about this idea? You've been pretty silent. I think they've got to watch himself. They'll fall off the deep end. I'm not sure if that was a compliment or a rebut. It could have been however you want to take it. Jesus did say throw the nets towards the deeper water. All I'm saying is, I think if you made a movie that made fun of Hollywood zombie movies,

that was in a spirit. You would never think about that in the face. genre for sure. That might, that's, that's the interesting twist. We'd be breaking the ground there. It's not like I just had this crazy idea.

Look, that there's a show called, uh, I've never watched it, but I've heard about it. The waking dead, walking dead. The walking dead.

It's just in. It's still on. Yeah. Oh, and there's now multiple like spin-offs. There's, uh, yeah.

So, I mean, I got sucked into that vortex for about two or three years. It was a good, it was really good till they brought out the, the tiger. I thought it kind of went off the rails. Yeah, it's hard to, you know, it's a comic book, I think, so it's hard to stick.

Well, all I'm saying is I think there's a way to do it. So from Jason's, uh, Jason's dreams to reality, back to reality. Tell us about the, uh, the blind release because this happening is that. This is the 27 tomorrow. So you don't have your tickets, but you better get them now. Get your tickets today. I think we said in the last podcast, we may get pushed out eventually by the Taylor Swift title wave that's coming to theaters.

But yeah, we'll be in a theater near you. You go to the blind movie.com and get your tickets now and take your friends. Hopefully we'll have a great showing up in the weekend. It's here. I mean, it's kind of wild. All that work,

all that time. And here we are. And you said that this Taylor Swift thing's happening in a couple of weeks. So, I mean, you were being serious in saying that we better. get in there and try to see the film because we're probably going to get pushed out of some theaters. Yeah, I don't think, I mean, yeah, I think we've got about a week to two week window to see this film.

So if you want, if you want to watch it, I mean, get out there and get your tickets now. You know, there's a lot, Zach, there's a lot of creative things that are happening. I know I've heard from a couple of people. One is in North Carolina, not too far from you, that they're going to do it at a university there, our good friend Kenny is organizing that. And then I know there's some churches are going to do that as well. There's some options. So if you go to theblindmovie.com, you can get information about that, correct?

Yeah, it may be too late for that. Oh, I'm sorry. For it to get it in your church. But, I mean, you still go. I mean, you can fill out the form. I'm not 100% sure. I'll tell you what's cool, though. I talked to Kenny.

Who's doing that at a university where they're going to have, I think about 350 students are going to watch the bond. They're going to have baptistries as well set up, I think he said, which I think is cool. I don't know if y'all saw this a few weeks ago. There was, well, first of all, that Sadie, at her conference, there was several hundred young women that were baptized in the Christ. And then a few days after that, I saw a post from Jenny Allen that she was at University of Auburn with a few other people. and they had a kind of a, I don't know, some kind of revival there or something. And afterwards, they were, hey, we got some people that are going to get baptized down here in this lake that's on campus.

And they sat out there for hours. And all these students were coming to Christ and were being baptized into Jesus. And there was three or four people in the water. I mean, they were just coming in droves. And I mean, the footage was amazing. It was just like a pond just surrounded by college students. and they were just one after another confessing Christ and being baptized. And so, man, I thought, how cool will it be if people go watch this film?

And that happens. I mean, so, you know, I can see, you know, churches that are putting this on are planning, you know, to see God move in it. So a lot of things are happening. It's kind of an interesting time in our culture. I feel like people are just in the world we live in this cancel culture world. It's so much based on performance. And at any moment you can be canceled, I think, now more than ever people are literally dying for hope,

dying for a redemption story, dying for a way out of our sin problem, a way out of all the condemnation that's been heaped on us. And this movie is that. I mean, it's, I mean, Phil, you laid it bare.

You did. You laid it all out there. And I think people are going to be moved by it, and it's going to be very powerful. So I can't encourage you enough to go watch this film. Yeah. And, you know, it's like,

it's like the passion has been. in for however many years it's been since Mel Gibson made that. It's the good thing about it, Zach, is this is a tool that can be used in the future. And that's one of the things I told about that. One of the things I was excited about having a movie made about their life that led them to Christ was that, you know, that'll be around from now on. I mean, and be able to bless people generationally. You know, when I run into people, now a lot of young people that watch Doug Dynasty,

and I'm like, well, you're too young. And we've been off the air for six years. And I'm like, oh, we watch the rerun. And so then it hit me. I thought, man, this is a generational blessing that people will get. And it's the same with this movie. So that's the beauty of us we'll be able to use that going forward for just what you described, maybe a moment of revival or whatever, you know.

Well, I mean, I think people right now in 2003, the weight of condemnation that is, that people are under. I've never, I mean, I've even felt it. And it's just this, especially young people, there's this weight of condemnation of just constant accusation, constant reminder of everything that you do wrong is publicly on display. I mean, it is, I mean, people are dying out there. And I thought about this verse over and over again as we made this film in Romans chapter eight, verse one. I just want to encourage everybody with this. If you're in Christ Jesus, listen to this. There is therefore no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, period.

If you are in Christ Jesus, no matter what you've done, no matter what your past is, no matter all the, there is no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. So I just want to be a part of telling those kind of stories, really, for the rest of my life. And I hope that we get to do that. So mine's one of those stories. So tomorrow is the day, guys.

Tomorrow's today. Tomorrow's a big day, which we're excited about. be sure and pray for that as well because obviously we want it to be an impact for people, you know, which is what the podcast is about is what it's all about. As far as the zombie thing, though, yeah, I might have to get back with you on that, Jay. Oh, boy, Jay. That's the classic blowoff there. Let me get back to you.

Not saying no, but let me have my people talk to your people. I'm a people look into that one. Didn't get it. I gave you a scriptural foundation. Now, you have to have an open mind or it just falls on the cutting room floor. Now we know that it really is a movie mogul because they say no way more than they say yes. I would like to hear from Unashamed Nation. Just be honest.

I mean, you know, I mean, I'm not saying, I love the scripture. Yeah, I didn't say it was not going to take creativity. Okay. Yeah. This is, especially when you're doing something that's never been done before, but if you had 10,000 movies and they all follow the same general line. You get what we got. That kind of has an evil vibe to it or a curious vibe.

It just seems like that one Christian organization could rise up and say, you want to see a movie about zombies that's positive? Here you go. I just don't think that's too much of it. all across America. I want to see a positive zombie movie. I know it is. They were very popular.

I had a dream and it came out. I'm just saying. If you had it, I will say that. I'll lean into that part of it for sure. So especially those view on the Facebook, because I know there's a big group of Facebookers that listen to the show, let that group know.

I want to hear that discussion. So we'll hear from. Just on the undershan. You talk about on the unashash. Yeah. And by the way, yeah, I do read the comments. Someone said, there the other day.

Zach doesn't even read these comments, but I don't have a, I don't have a Facebook page, so I can't comment on anything, but I'd look through my wife's page because I don't have, I have like a public page, but I don't have like a,

you know, I can't comment. Well, then the organizers of the Facebook group, they do listen and watch everything, and then they let us know. I would recommend, I'd recommend that you need tech support. I need tech support.

That's what we need. Yeah, you need to have a way to do that. Tell them to change the name from Zach to Jace, you get tech report, I mean a support, and then you can figure it out. Because I'm not reading the comments. Yeah, and I'm not either because I don't have Facebook and I'm too busy.

But we do have people that do and get us the messages, so it's important. All right, so we're going to take a break. We come back. We're going to have a special guest on today, and maybe he can, maybe he'll have some ideas about zombie movies. We might ask him about that. I may be too embarrassed to ask him. He's a pretty important guy. So anyway, we'll take a break.

I'll tell you who we're having on the other side. So welcome back to Unashame. We have a very distinguished guest, one of our favorite people. Lieutenant Colonel Alan West is in the house. So, Alan, welcome to the Unashamed podcast. Well, it's good to be with y'all. And I don't think I'm so distinguished after this past college football weekend where, you know. I'm so glad you just went there.

That's what I love about you, Alan. I got to, man. I got to. Look, I saw it coming. I mean, I went to you versus Tennessee and the Gators, I mean, a nighttime game in the swamp, and they needed a big win. They needed an upset win. And, you know, Tennessee just didn't show up in that second quarter.

I don't know where they were. I'm a big Gator fan. I grew up in Gainesville. So I'm glad to know that you're a, you're a ball. And I just want to tell you, it was a great game. And he really enjoyed the go Gators. Oh, sure, it was a great game. Yeah, go Gators.

Bl, blah, blah. Yeah, you wanted to do that, sure. Well, we discovered all this before we came on air. While y'all were watching that game, I was actually alligator hunting. And I... Well, Tennessee was an alligator hunting. That's for certain. So, well, if you want to do something about alligators, you come to Louisiana.

And so I took care of a nice seven and a half foot alligator. And Zach, I'm going to have to admit, after I pulled the trigger, the first thing I thought about was you. Go Gators. Hey, I think the Gators, I was encouraged by that game for sure, so I can't wait to see what happens when we roll up on the Tigers. That's going to be fun. Yeah.

It's going to be an interesting SEC season. I mean, you know, South Carolina looked good in the first half. They didn't show up in the second half against Georgia. And then everybody's wondering about Alabama, right? Because they don't live there. They struggle. They struggled against South Florida. So they got to pick a quarterback.

Yep. That's exactly right. It's going to be a fun season. My most fun memory of that is the first time I met Tim Tebow, and he's like, he said, you're not an LSU fan, are you? And I was like, I live in Louisiana. He said, Jay, I'm serious. They need Jesus.

He said, I'm pretty convinced that I was the only sober person. there when he played in back. Well, it is funny because we've had, because of the dashers mainly early on, because we didn't, otherwise we didn't know a lot about Florida, that kind of built into our personal Robertson rivalry. But I, you know, because Tebow played for Florida, you know, I just, I was like, you know, I don't like Tebow. And then we met him and we love him.

So it's like now I realize. Yeah, it's hard. Yeah. Now that he's not part of the part of the argument. Exactly. Yeah. But let me ask you all the question. and all you LSU, Bingle, Tiger fans,

who translates for that little leprechaun coach y'all got? You know, I think that's why we've been successful. Because it's just go out, what did he say? He said, just go out to and get on. We keep it simple. I miss Coach Ogeron, man, I mean. You know, and Coach O's first press conference, He said, you know what I like about me being the head coach at LSU?

He said, I'm the first one without an accent. That's right. So he was awesome. I mean, unfortunately for Coach O, I think he, you know, he had that wonderful team and had such a great season. And he forgot, we got to do it again next year. You know, that was the rebuilding is what Coach O'clock. But we love Coach O. But I love Sabin.

I mean, Sabin built our program. We were in the droldrums until he came to LSU. So I'm still, even though he's at Alabama and all that, I'll always appreciate what he did for us. It's a problem. It's a problem. You know, when they put our show Duck Dynasty into Spanish, somewhere out there, some guy who spoke the Spanish language

looked at Uncle Si, the character, and thought, I've got to translate that into our language. It's not decipherable. How do you? It's a form of English, but we're not really sure what language that is, you know. So I'm sure they had fun. It was like they asked me what was Cajun. And I said, well, it's really a combination of bad English and bad French together.

And you try to figure out what it's about. Well, Alan, we're great to have you back on the podcast. I knew we had had to go and go back and dig around in my old notes. And it was actually in October of 20, the last time we had to have. had you on it since it was right before an election we spent most of the time talking about politics so i don't want to talk a lot of politics today we're kind of we're trying to move upstream uh on the unashamed podcast but dad and i were on your steadfast and loyal podcast back in april and uh and really enjoyed that time with you how's it going with your podcast and

have you enjoyed doing that because you've done a lot of different stuff yeah no i absolutely enjoy it because the thing that i try to do is to inform educate and activate people so often folks have an agenda, but I just want to have some, you know, critical people in this moment and time. Last week, we had Chloe Cole, who was a 19-year-old young lady who was detransitioning. I mean, at the age of 12, she thought she wanted to be a boy. And to hear her story and what she went through and how now crisis is coming to her life and completely changed her life. This is one of the big challenges that we have today. So I like talking to people that are on the cutting edge of many of the issues that we have here and asking them the good, hard, straightforward questions and letting them respond to it.

And I think that it is good for that to encourage people and get them to understand what is happening in our country today. Yeah. Yeah, that's really powerful. I've seen her story as well. And, man, I mean, to speak into these cultural issues that, you know, for us, we can just look at and say, well, this is wrong. this is simple, this is biology, but for someone to have traversed exactly where these people are and then come out and say, look, this is not right and here's why, and speak from personal experience makes a big difference. So I'm glad you had on your podcast. It's sad. That's all I can

say about that. People who get that confused, it's sad. Well, I tell you, one of the key things when you listen to the interview with Chloe is parents have to be parents. Parents have to be the adults. Parents just can't go out there and affirm anything that their child says and they want to do. I mean, if you're under the age of 18, you can't go out and get a tattoo. So how is it all of a sudden we're going to have kids saying, you know, I think that I want my healthy body parts chopped off. And then you get pushed into this hard decision, which is a false decision of, you know, either you're going to have a child that commits suicide or you should, you know, allow this to happen. You know, my parents would have never accepted that.

And if I had ever said, you know, I want to be Aline and not Allen, my dad would have had an interesting conversation with me. And then he would have asked, then he would have asked who put that idea in your head. It never occurred to me. It never entered my mind at all until about seven or eight years ago. And I began to hear about it. And I'm like, do what? How did this catch on? How did it catch on?

Yeah. But we, I mean, teenagers are all so confused. I mean, I remember some of the crazy ideas I had, and I'd go in there and tell, you know, you and mom, what about this? And you were just like, no. And that ended that, you know. That's what he's talking about, parenting, right? Well, it is a breakdown of the family and the home. I think it's the root of all our societal problems now. It is. And I tell you, it's purposeful. It's intentional from what we see of the policies of the left. You know, I often tell people, I was born in 1916. 61 in the inner city of Atlanta, Georgia. And I was born in a Blacks-only hospital. But at that time, the two-parent traditional nuclear family of the black community was like 75 to 77 percent. Today is 24 percent. And all you have to do is go back and look at the policies of Lyndon Johnson, the Great Society, you know, the war on poverty. And when you say you're going to give checks to

women who are having children out of wedlock, you completely tell the man, he doesn't have to be responsible. He doesn't have to be accountable. And, I think during the Obama administration, they had this video called The Life of Julia. And it just showed how the government can come in and just take control of the life of a woman from cradle to grade. And now is if they allow you to be born, which is another incredible issue that we have facing us. They're making infanticide legal in some of these states. And I think that this really is where the body of Christ, I know that Phil, You know, you've talked about this so many times with the body of Christ,

got to find some cahonas. They got to stand up and speak out against this. And our pastors, especially. You got to speak out against this. Yeah, you have to be a voice of truth. Let's take a break. I was going to ask you about that out. Because I didn't ask you on the last podcast about growing up.

Were your parents Christians? Did you grow up in a Christian home? Or did that come later for you? When did that happen for you? Dude, I was a black kid growing up down south. I was going to Sunday school, going to church, singing in the children's choir, going to summer. You camp, okay, all that stuff. Yeah, yeah.

Okay, you didn't say, you didn't say no. You didn't get an option. Right. So you grew up in it. So you've had it your whole life. Absolutely. What about, did you carry that with you? Like, because I know you spent, what, over 20 years in the military and you were all around

the world. Has that, has faith always been a big part of that and with your family as well? Yeah. I will tell you that when you go back to the Proverbs 226, train up a child in the way that they should go so that when they grow old, they shall not depart from it. You know, even when my folks left me, you know, alone up there as a freshman in 1979 at University of Tennessee, I didn't want to go out there and get buck wild and get crazy. Now, I did like the fact that I could go into the cafeteria and eat all that I could want it to eat. That was pretty cool. But I did not want to hang out with, you know, that other.

element. And so it was January of 1980 when I made the personal decision for myself to give my life over to Christ, but they laid the foundation for that to happen. And so again, I think it's so important, as Joshua said, as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord. We've got to get this thing corrected in the homes all across the United States of America. Yeah, no doubt about it. I mean, this past year has, well, I guess a year and a half now, you know, we have various ministries and my wife had this ministry where she's sharing Jesus to women who came out of prison who was introduced to Jesus in prison. So there was one program working with my wife's ministry. So when they get out, she would give them a job and they would make jewelry. And it was a nonprofit

in that the more jewelry they sold, the more women they would hire. And that's kind of how it went. and one of the women who had gotten kicked out of her program because she wouldn't take a drug test, you know, gives us a call three years later and from the hospital because she was in prison and they took her to the hospital to have a baby. And so she was pregnant when she had gone to prison. And, you know, it dawns on us that this woman who we're familiar with because she was in the program has signed her baby. be over to us. And it just hit me in that moment. I'm not going to go out here and share Jesus and not rail about the breakdown of the family if I'm not willing to step up here.

And so the last year and a half, we've been involved with him. And through that, you know, I really went to the word just to give myself confidence in what I was doing. And Matthew 18 has become a chapter that I just hang out in because what I saw is the image this kid made in the image of God beautiful baby boy with all the the fun and just the inspiration that we view toward this kid because it's like I did and I was too young when I had my own kids to really appreciate it you know you're just all hands on deck let's raise these kids and now I I see a kid that I don't want to fall through the cracks and through society. But just a couple of verses, you know, in Matthew 18, you know, where Jesus compared the kingdom

when he said, unless you change it become like little children, you'll never enter the kingdom. And then he warned, had a warning in verse 6, it'd be better anyone who causes one of these little ones to fall, it'd be better for him to have a large stone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea, which is as strong a language as you'll ever read in the Bible. And then he gets down to verse 10, and he said, I tell you, don't look down on one of these kids for, I tell you that their angels in heaven always see the face of my father in heaven. And then he tells the parable that he also told on why he was eating with tax collectors and sinners.

but he says verse 12, if a man owns a hundred sheep and one of them wonders away, will he not leave the 99 on the hills and go look for the one that's wandered off? And if he finds it, I tell you the truth, he is happier about that one sheep than about the 99 that did not wander off. In the same way your father in heaven is not willing that any of these little ones should be lost. And that's kind of become our motivation. So fast forward a year and a half later, and here we are, the mom's been. She's out of prison. She's in a great program.

We're helping her now learn how to be a mom, you know, for the first time in her life. But it just, that motivation has to be there to do something while we get society fixed and the programs fixed. And so it's been a really a joy. But God's principles will always win in these types of situations. Yeah. You know? Now, you're absolutely right. I just got back from a conference out in San Diego, and it was sponsored by an organization

called Fathers in the Field, and they selected me to be their national spokesperson. But it's all about the Bible verse Isaiah 1 and 17 where it talks about defending the fatherless. That's something that God calls us to do. And this ministry, this organization is all about finding men, and especially out of church who are willing to be mentors to young boys who don't have a father in their life. And I'm sure you guys will love it. They take them out hunting and fishing and all of these things and sharing the gospel with them. And they end up giving their life over to Christ.

As a matter of fact, I met one of the young men, Justin, who was about to go into the United States Marine Corps next year. And he gave a testimony about how things have changed because of the mentor he had through fathers in the field. But probably one of the most emotional moments was to hear the story. of a mother in Florida who lost her 22-year-old son to suicide because his father abandoned him early on. And he never was able to get over that, even though he fathered a young son himself. And so here was his son at a year and a half that because of suicide, now that son does not have a father in the home. So we're seeing cycles of this. And somehow we've got to stop it, we've got to end it in every way, shape, form, and fashion. So I would challenge y'all,

look up fathers in the field. John Smith Baker is the head of that organization. And they're doing incredible work, you know, by getting men in church especially to be mentors for these boys to train them up in the way that they should go, because you've got to have that strong male role model, which made a difference in my life because my dad was born in 1920 in South Alabama, across the Chattahoo River, grew up in South Georgia. He was a corporal in World War II. And I remember at the age of 15 when my dad said that there's no great honor than to wear the uniform of the United States of America, and you will be the first officer in our family because he was an enlisted man. My older brother was an enlisted Marine in Vietnam. And if we don't

have men in the lives of boys to challenge them. And as we talked about, you know, I didn't get an option of going to Sunday school. I didn't get an option of going to church. I didn't get an option to sing in the church choir. I didn't get an option of going to, you know, the summer youth camps. My dad made sure that I was there because he understood the importance of having not just a strong earthly father, but a connection to your heavenly father. And so when my dad passed, the way early in my life, in 1986, I was just 25. All of those

things that he had trained me up on, that has enabled me to be a good dad to my two daughters. And now, you know, I'm a granddad. I've got one grandson and another on the way in November. So we have got to take this mantle of responsibility as men

to train up the future American men. Yeah. And I love that stepping in the gap when others, you know, don't have that figure in their life. Let's take another break. Which is, Jayce, you talked about, you know, that idea about stepping in when the opportunity is not there. Well, that's why I shared that. You know, I missed opening to the deal season because we had him for the weekend.

And I was like, I had to do so much other stuff. But now that he's learned the English language and we have communication, I mean, I bet I told him Saturday at least seven times, maybe eight. No. We're not doing that. And he listens, you know, I mean, it's what your point is, and it's something I'm living out practically. You're also finding out why that, you know, Alan said he's grandfather, so am I, so are you. There's a reason why God made it that way that you have your grandkids because you have the kids taking care of those kids. You've taken that middle out.

Yeah, exactly. But I thought yesterday, even when we were worshiping together, and we had a men's retreat. and, you know, I just looked at, it was a very moving service. These guys had been doing a two-day retreat, and you could see the look on their wise faces. They were genuinely excited that their man is excited about being leaders of their family. I mean, you could just sense that. You saw a lot, just as many women with tears as you saw men.

I just looked, I looked across the crowd, though, and look, I saw all kinds of races, you know, multi-wrest. racial people. Everybody had tears going down their face. You had all these people from celebrate recovery that are coming out of every addiction and every kind of sexual fantasy and identity problem that you could ever think of, all under one place in the name of Christ, surrendering themselves to a new way of living life as humans. They had a bell that they would ring, Alan. It was kind of a symbol of submission to Christ, you know, like they'd come to some point in their life. It was a really moving service. And I noticed one family, the guy went up

first, and he had a big old long beard. He looked like he fit right in around here. He rained that bell. But then he went back up and all of his kids were with him and they were ringing the bell with their dad. And, you know, I just thought it was a neat thing because it was the idea of that's what family finds it together. Many times you've lost your way, you know, which is powerful. Well, yeah, it made me reflect on that just because yesterday was the first time. time in my life that there's an older African-American woman who always sits right behind me and my wife who's just a warrior for the Lord. And I said yesterday was the first day that I got kissed by an African-American woman and a man in the same day because the man was Larry Bowles.

Larry, come up. I went to Athens Greece with him and I saw him and he come up and kissed me on the cheek. I thought, oh, I guess this is the holy kiss. Yeah, that's what I thought. He works in the Middle East. They greet that way. It was something about the interchange that happened in 10 seconds. And my good sister, Miss Betty Capers, she kissed me on the cheek and my wife. And I don't know, it just made me tear up. I thought, you know, it was a moving service. But I thought, this is what the kingdom of God should look like. That's what the kingdom should look like. That's right. Yeah. That was that was the agape love that, you know, it talks about in the body. And that's what we have to have. That's what Jesus Christ talked about was us having that type of love for each other. And I think that transcends, you know, like you just talked about, it transcends race or any of these other divisions that some people want to try to create in us. And so that's the power. And I really think that there is a resurgence of our Judeo-Christian faith heritage in this country because we see so much evil. I mean, you know, in Isaiah 520, it says, woe be to those who are called good evil.

evil, evil, good, light, darkness, darkness, light. That's exactly where we are right now. And so when you have folks that are talking about, you know, transitioning our kids and gender affirming our kids and taking away your child if you don't go along with this or, you know, murdering our children in the womb by dismemberment all the way up until the time of their birth and even after, I think that you're going to see more people stand up and say, you know, this is just not right. And I can't agree with it.

and I cannot go along with this. Yeah. You're so right. I've shared this story before, but I've got to share it. Hang on before you shared that, let's take our last one. So when I was in my early 20s, I'd shared the gospel with the guy who lived out where my dad lives. And it's pretty rough out here. I mean, Phil's preaching the gospel to everybody around here, but it's just, it's a pretty rough neighborhood.

And this guy, he was struggling, whether he wanted to change his life or come to Jesus. And I was trying to get him to come meet with him. at church and I talked him into doing it. And so I didn't know everything about his life or whatever, but as soon as we got settled there, and it's a pretty big church, he leaned over and he said, there's a lot of black people here.

And I kind of looked at him strange, and I thought, because I didn't know, which later I found out, that he had racist tendencies, you know. But my response was, I said, I hadn't noticed. And so then when we started singing together,

I look back over at him and just tears were coming down his face. And he actually responded during the altar call and came to Jesus that day. And now later on, we got to be friends. But he was brought up in a racist home. And he just had never let, you know, God's truth be, you know, in his heart, nor had he even considered that just because he was a victim of how he was raised. But I just always remember that story. It's such a moving story.

and the fact that I said I hadn't noticed really got to him. Yeah. You know, I said, oh, man, we're, we're just all, you know, humans. Slave and are free, man, no female. Yeah. Yeah, that's right. Jew or Gentile. That's right.

Black or white. But you can gripe about it or you can share Jesus. And in his case, that's a happy end. And that helped the world be a better place. And it wasn't what we did. It was, you know, the power and grace of the Lord Jesus and him hearing it for the first time, despite how he was raised. Absolutely.

So, Alan, I want to ask you about in our last segment here, the, you just, I noticed you just spoke at Liberty. It looked really exciting. You did the convocation. And we've done convocation before. We did it as kind of like a Q&A with our whole family one time, but it was just such an electric atmosphere, as I recall. What was that like?

And what was your message for all those college kids? Boy, I will tell you, what an incredible and emotional moment that I would never forget to be on that stage there at Liberty University, World's largest Christian University in front of what, 13,000, their student body. And the last time I was up at Liberty University, Willie Robertson and his wife were speaking there.

Of course, their kids are there. So it was fantastic. And what I wanted to do is take the theme of that university where it says, Training Champions for Christ. And I kind of talked about my top 10 verses that have helped me to be a champion for Christ in these years. And I wanted to make it personal to the kids there. So there are five verses from

the Old Testament, five verses from the New Testament. You know, I showed them my three by five cards that I always have with me where, you know, those verses are written. And then I had them at the end, you know, pray the prayer of Jabez, oh, that you will bless me indeed and enlarge my territory, because I wanted them to have that personal commitment, you know, and I talked about give me the strength and the courage, the wisdom and discernment to defend faith and freedom for your people. And my God granted, as I have requested. So just an awesome opportunity, and it just re-energizes you when you see those young people that are there all about being champions for Christ. And so I wish our football team had played as well as Liberty's football team

this weekend. Maybe I wouldn't be hearing all this Gator Chop crap. But they are definitely training up champions there at Liberty University. So that was an incredible honor. If you are a believer, if you're a Christian, if you're in the public sphere, you want to be on that stage at Liberty University. And you know what's interesting now. They've expanded even so much so that like my two teenage granddaughters are online liberty now, finishing their high school, which eventually will lead to their college

experience. And so I love it that these guys are thinking forward and ahead. is that I wanted to ask you about that because you went to liberty a few months back right or last year met with their film department showed our film there that's coming up and what was that experience like when you were there I mean because these are innovators right these are that's like next generation for film and every other medium yeah I thought that was awesome you know one of the things that we talk about a lot in kind of Christian worldview is that we need more Christians in art and entertainment it's such a powerful medium to empath impact and influence the imagination of a culture. So, you know, going to Liberty and seeing how robust their film department is. I mean, they have a world class set up there. I mean, it's extremely nice. And a lot of students coming out of there.

I hired one of the guys, you know, so, yeah, we, it's encouraging to see that there's a lot going on for this next generation. You've seen Christian films come a long way just in the last 20 years. I mean, it wasn't even a thing 20 years ago. And then here we have the blind coming out tomorrow. And, you know, that's, I mean, that's a, it's just come a long way. So I'm excited to see, you know, what happens in the future with universities like Liberty that are putting money and time and effort into training up the next generation of storytellers. Yeah. And Alan, I'm so glad you brought up about fathers in the field.

I was, I had become aware of that organization and we've been talking about trying to have somebody on our podcast. So I'm glad. I didn't know until you just told us you were going to be speaking on their behalf. But Murray Crow was the first person that told me about this group, which is a guy on Jason's show and a really dear friend of our families. But what an important thing. And I don't know. That's how I kind of see you out. And that's just my opinion.

But you seem to be one of those guys that God uses to speak out and use your platform to help other people. And especially people that can't help themselves. And so I think that's a good place, God, in a position God has you in. Is that kind of how you see yourself? No, without a doubt, you know, I go back to three years ago when I had that motorcycle accident. And, you know, no one walks away from a motorcycle accident on an interstate highway on Memorial Day weekend at 75 miles per hour. And I am just so thankful to God that he has spared my life. And, you know, I thought that I would continue on for, you know, 30 years and maybe even more in the military.

but God saw a different path for me. And so he got me off the military path at 22 years and put me on a different path. And it's very humbling that a kid in 1961 born in a Black's Only Hospital can be here sharing the stage with you. And it's definitely talking about him and all he's done in my life. Amen. I want to thank you there for doing that, my man. Yeah. Great.

And the first time I met you, we were working, actually working on a cruise. together at the same time for Brett up at media research. And you and I shared a panel together. I got to meet your wife. And, you know, it just, it was pretty, it was pretty instantaneous for me to be around you that God had blessed you with something unique to be able to speak into this culture. So I've never forgotten that. And just appreciate what you do, you know, with your podcast.

Amen. But everything else. I mean, you've made the most of the opportunities. And I'm sure God's going to give you a lot more as you go forward. I pray so. I pray so. And I would just ask that, Lord Jesus, please do not let me be on an interview on a Monday morning following losing the Florida Gators with some Florida Gator fans, okay? That just ain't right, God. That wasn't right. You know what? God decided you need a little bit of humility today.

And you didn't even know you're going to. I already had it Saturday night, okay? And he introduces you to our obnoxious, because. and who loves it. It's been a pleasure having you, brother. Keep doing what you're doing. Steadfast and loyal podcast. Steadfast and loyal.

Thank you. It's the podcast. So thank you, Adam. Appreciate you being on. Appreciate you. Great job. Later, guys. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast.

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