Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 761 | Miss Kay Reveals the One Detail ‘The Blind’ Got Wrong & Jase Is Too Excited About Mustard

Episode Date: September 29, 2023

Miss Kay reveals one small detail that “The Blind” got wrong, though no one but her knew it. The guys and Miss Kay explore the concept of the Sabbath and why resting your body and resting in the Lord are both important to your spirituality. Miss Kay gives sage advice to people who may be having a hard time or find themselves in a situation as she did 50 years ago.  In this episode: Luke 13, verses 10–17; Ephesians 2, verses 4–9; Hebrews 4, verses 9–11 — Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? So welcome to Unashamed. And we've got our dear mom, Ms. Kay, joining us. Welcome, Mom, to the Lair. It's good to be here. Yeah. I'm surrounded by smart people. You made the long drive. You made the long drive. About a mile away. Were you driven over, or did you drive? Did you drive? Of course I was driven over. Oh, well, I didn't know that.

Do you have a driver? Daniel. She's got a person. She's got a man. She's got a man that gets her bad. The butler. She got a butler. She got a butler.

Of course that day. Where is that? I hear him. Oh, there is. Yeah, look. There's that. Modern technology. Right now, Zach is in North Carolina.

But you're talking to him. It's kind of like the phone with pictures. That's right. But he's here. He's here with us, Mom. I know. I hear him. With no delay.

No. No delay. You know that our Uncle Si, who, you know, he would always have a trouble with that on the phone and in video because if someone was miles away, he would try to talk louder thinking that since there's so much further away. Bless it. That he needs to raise his voice because he'd do that on the phone. I was like, why are you hollering? He's like, well, you're halfway up there to town. I was like

Surprise That's a true story I'm not embellishing that I mean hey Hey I mean hey So mom Maddie decided to put mom in my chair

For some reason So mom does it Does it make you feel smart And smart eleky over there? Yeah Look do you know that there's been more disgruntled church members Over visitors sitting in their peeve

I lost my piece you to mom than anything else so i we don't want to become traditional you're right i better not gripe about the visitor being in my seat because that's what people do no that's what they do oh you're right they're like hey wait wait you're in my seat i remember having a visitor day one time at wfr and i was so angry because this little lady that i love like just told this group of a whole family visited as hey hey hey no i've been on the other side that ain't a war i visited a church and there were there was was a couple of old ladies come up there, and they were looking at me and my little family, and this scary man who was sitting in their seat.

And I was like, oh, are these your seats? And they said, yes. I was there, well, let us get up and move. We're visiting. We're looking for Jesus, but we're going to give you these seats. I was trying to sarcastically convict them, but guess what? Nothing. They didn't get it.

The joke, did they? They said one word, okay, move. Mom's just the absence. So, Mom, I watch you when I'm there on Sunday. As you go get people and bring them down to sit next to you. I see you do that all the time. I do it. I sure do.

I come down there and sit in Miss Kay's section. Yeah. He does. And then do you get the Kay commentary during the whole sermon? Oh, yeah. It's terrible because he can't whisper anymore. Something about when you get older, you just, you don't know how to whisper. Because you can't hear.

You're like, I don't know why he keeps preaching that we've been due to get out of here, minutes ago. Was that true? It was true. I didn't disagree. I was laughing at mom. We were at the movie premiere because she was sitting in front of me, kind of down and in front of me.

And every once I hear something would be something very like one scene I remember in particular is the mom and dad in the movie are in bed and mom is reading a Life magazine. And I hear mom say down in front of me, I would have never read a Life magazine. Hey, we tried to get as accurate as he could. Oh, yeah. I just thought it was funny. It was like, Mom's giving commentary on just the most inane things in the movie. Like, I would never read Life Magazine.

How dare they put that in the movie? I didn't even know if he still made Life Magazine. Yeah. Well, they do. I read Reader's Digest. I call the movie Wrong Magazine. Yeah. Yeah.

I wish you had told me this. about two years ago okay that's why y'all had her own so she can correct the things did was there anything else they just got dead wrong oh boy now I loved it okay yeah so I want so we hadn't had you own to talk about the movie itself now it's released America is seeing your life story so what was your take on just watching it and what did you think about I cried remember yeah I did I thought it was great but it was just It just made me happy and it made me sad. It just made me everything, you know.

It was so real. Do you remember anything in particular that just really got to you? Was it, I mean, any scenes that kind of? Well, the bathroom scene was, you know, that was always going to be a main scene in it. But, I mean, I thought that character acted so like me. Yeah. I did. Look like me and everything.

Well, we have the blind movie podcast, and on there, I said, that I thought that this the third actress, the older one that played you, was she captured your optimism, your optimistic spirit. She did. So well, like in the movie. The most like me ever. It was. And I thought the second actress, the teenage actors, looked the most like it because she

had your smile. And, you know, I thought she kind of, anything so is that, she kind of favored you the most. Yeah. She did. Yeah, it was pretty powerful. She had dimples, I think, too, just like me. She did. It reminded me of Silla, you know, it looked like Scylla.

Well, and somebody's already told me they thought Silla and I had ways a lot and looked alike at times, which that's a great compliment for me. Yeah, that's Jeff's, one of his middle kids. So last night you were at the, you wouldn't saw Gus play football. So tell us about that. That was pretty fun. So Gus is Jeff and Jessica's youngest that they adopted, and he's a giant kid for his age. He's like eight. He's two heads taller than everybody on the football field.

But then we see him just come in, come off, off in. And Jess said that he kept saying, coach, I'm tired tonight. I'm just tired. So, you know, if you want to play somebody else, it's okay. Well, Jessica, of course, said, tired. You're a kid. You're not tired. You haven't done anything to make you tired.

Why are you doing this? But he's a kid. That's just what he wanted to do. But he was hilarious. But I think he was looking more forward to the pizza party after. Than the ball goes. Gus likes to eat. Oh, how do he do?

Did he dominate? Was he dominant on the field when he was playing? He was. He was ahead of everybody. He was taller than everybody. When you're bigger than faster than everyone on the field, you usually dominate. But his personality, because he comes to my house. all the time because he and Sage are pals and so they play.

But he's very humble kid. He's not the kind to be like, you know, at least not yet. Like, I know I'm going to dominate. He doesn't even like to hurt people. No, he doesn't. He tells him he's sorry. Yeah. When he hurts him.

Right, yeah. But he's so big he can't help but hurt him. Right. You know, they're not supposed to be running into each other, but they do. Yeah. So it's kind of like Sage, Mom. Sage is really good at Jiu-Jitsu. Yeah.

She's, you know, she's only eight or maybe nine. I saw her hurt somebody in my house. Well, she's put out people before. She can literally choke you out. Yeah, she's done it at my house. I heard she's choked out grown men before. Well, she choked out Carly's boyfriend, yeah, at mom's house. He passed out on the couch.

So you don't want her to get. Bill said this may be a little dangerous for this class. But look, what's so bad is, so in Jiu-Jitsu here, it hasn't like, there's not a ton of people that do it. So she does these competitions from time to town. But most of the time she competes, it's the same little girl that she competes with every time. And now there's three or four more. But, and she dominates so much.

And this poor little girl cries every time she loses. And so Sage gets to feeling bad about it. So she's never admitted it, but she let her win because, you know, Sage got us all the gold medals. But she just felt bad for her. And so she just dropped her guard and let this girl beat her. I know that's what happened. I do too. She won't admit it because she's afraid her dad to get on to her for letting her win.

But it's just because she felt sorry for it. The little girl cries every time she loses. But she's really good. I hope the little girl doesn't listen to this podcast. Yeah, I know. I know. I probably just say to her dream. Yeah.

I doubt she does, Zach. I'm not sure our demographic is nine-year-old girls, but you're probably right. Anyway. So any other instructions on the movies, Zach? Because we're out and running now. We got. Yeah, we're out and running now. So, I mean, it's, um, it's,

in theaters and you know we've said go out there and see it before we get swifted out um before taylor comes you know but uh but yeah i think it's going really well and getting incredible feedback from people everybody's seen it's been like man this is is so powerful and um yeah i'd love to share it on social media your experience with it as well yeah raid it uh what was it rotten tomatoes yeah rotten tomatoes um talked about that we learn what that was we learn what that was but now the mark Marketing's over. So now it's what,

reflection? That's all reflection. It's reflection. We're still dripping some marketing in there. We'll market to the, you know, for a little bit longer. So we're still doing stuff.

It's got about two more weeks and then. It sounds like something a marketer would say. Marketing is never over. It's crazy because, you know, you think like it's hard. You think that like when you post something on social media, like it doesn't go to everybody in your sphere.

And particularly, I mean, as being honest, we get throttled. Our content gets throttled a lot. Even getting this movie out was difficult. You know, we had two different, I had two verbal offers from big studios, saw the film, loved it. So, man, we're going to come back with an offer. And then they both came back. Say, yeah, actually we can't. Really because of kind of just the persona of our family.

And I think more the Christian route of it. So it's hard to get this stuff out there in general. general and it's hard to market this. But man, our Unashamed Nation has been awesome. I mean, we could not have done this film without our podcast audience and Unashamed Nation on the Facebook page and just all our people that follow the family. I mean, that is the success of this. I want to definitely thank you guys for any success.

What we're going to have with this is going to be because of you guys. So thank you all. So I was then by Zach with the marketing never ending. Jay says like cap and red legs. Remember when he told Granny Hawkins, doing right, ain't got no end. Exactly. We've all seen that movie. And then she just laughed.

She had that kind of sneering laugh. Was that on the outlaw, Josie Wells? It was. How many times have you seen that movie, my own? 39. Have you ever seen? That's very specific. The last podcast we talked about Valdez is coming.

Have you ever seen that baby? I've seen that movie. Oh. Have you ever seen an episode of Gunsmoke? All of them. All 25 years worth. And then some, right? And then some.

Dad references Matt Dillon. What was interesting was that he was talking about Matt Dillon for about six months. And Maddie and Alex and all those people that work here thought he was talking about the actor Matt Dillon. Because they don't know anything about guns fun. I know. I can't believe. anything about the actor Mac Dillon. I don't either.

I've heard of his name. There's the generation gap would find the people behind the camera versus us versus us. Look, I grew up as a little girl. Every day I came home to watch Matt Dillon. I did. Watch him in his house. Watched him ever. I loved him, too.

He was my hero growing up. He and John Wayne, so I was the same way. Yeah. That's how I watched as a kid. Let's take a break. So, Mom, we're in Luke 13, and it's where we're studying. Did you get all studied up on? Did you get the notes?

Nobody gave me the scripture. Nobody gave me in there. No prep for me. That's because you're best when you're just winging it. I am. Well, really, we're at two sections where I think you can have some insight. I do, too. That's what I was thinking.

Because in Luke 13, 10 through 17, Al read this last time. Yeah, right at the end of the Bible. There was a Sabbath, and Jesus was teaching in one of the synagogues, and a woman who was there who had been crippled by a spirit for 18 years, she was bent over and could not straighten up at all. And when Jesus saw her, he called her forward and said to her, Woman, you are set free from your infirmity. Then he put his hands on her, and immediately she straightened up and praised God.

So you'd think, well, what a great story. and then the next sentence says, Indignant because Jesus had healed on the Sabbath, the synagogue ruler said to the people, there are six days for work, so come and be healed on those days, not on the Sabbath. The Lord answered, you hypocrites, you never want to be called a hypocrite by the Lord.

Doesn't each of you on the Sabbath untie his ox or donkey from the stall and lead it out to give it water? Then should not this one. a daughter of Abraham, whom Satan has kept bound for 18 long years, be set free on the Sabbath day from what bounder. When he said this, all his opponents were humiliated, but the people were delighted with all the wonderful things he was doing. So, because I thought about you, you're really good at when we get together in groups of people of just having a heart of compassion, like you. I know you got it from Jesus, the Spirit of God.

God, you tend to treat everyone with the same compassion. You know, it's one of your gifts. I do. So, yeah. Again, I got a lot of that, too, from the way I was raised with my grandma. I mean, I saw that with her. That everyone's important. Yes.

Yeah, and you don't look down on anybody. Yeah. And God loves everybody the same. Because, see, I worried about it because we were the richest people in town. but we did not act like it, especially my grandma. She was so humble and everything. She would never consider herself rich, and she was. But she wouldn't say it or act like it.

Yeah, I thought that was an interesting scene in the movie, too. They kind of touched on that just a little bit, the kind of the differences in your family and dad's family and kind of that strain of the family across the track sort of, you know, scenario, which was interesting. They kind of dealt with that, you know, and then you wind up becoming in the Robertson family because your dad dies and then your mom is kind of out of the picture. So, which is kind of then, I think you brought that with you, right? That compassion and kind of the way you've always been.

Yeah. And you pass that down to us. That is, you know, a godly principle that you were raised with that was passed down to us, that everybody is valuable. you know so yeah it is kind of horrifying to see this in a religious setting where i mean what a statement heal people at other days but not this that when here is the lord of the sabbath which which lucre recorded in luke six and you know when we talk about him fulfilling the sabbath hebrews chapter at the end of chapter three and and four kind of explains well i was just going i was going to read this from Hebrews 4. So it says, therefore, since the promise of entering his rest still

stands, let us be careful that none of you be found to have fallen short of it. But we also have had the gospel preached to us just as they did, but the message they heard was of no value to them. And he had just compared, you know, when God liberated, you know, Israel and was giving them rest from bondage, how that compared to what Jesus fulfilled. And so it goes on to say, like in verse four of Hebrews 4, for somewhere he has spoken about the seventh day in these words, and on the seventh day, God rested from all his work, which was what the synagogue ruler was trying to make the point.

He was using the very argument of creation, not realizing that Jesus was a part of creation. You know, John 1, 2, nothing. that's been created was created without him. And the point being again, Jesus never quit working. Exactly. He's been sustaining ever since. So he goes on to say in verse six, it still remains that some will enter that rest, and those who formerly had the gospel preach to them did not go in because of their disobedience. Therefore, God again said a certain day, calling it today, when he spoke through the prophet David, and it said when he spoke through David, today if you hear his voice did not

harden your hearts. So then 8 through 11, I really think, explains how Jesus fulfilled the Sabbath force, which it says, for if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day. There remains then a Sabbath rest for the people of God. For anyone who enters God's rest also rests from his own work, just as God did from it, from his. Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest so that no one will fall by following their example of disobedience. And I mean, the point being, you know, every time God created a day, he would say, it's good. You remember that? The next day, he would say, oh, it's good. It's good. Then he created the humans and said it's very good.

So there's where it wasn't like God, God doesn't get tired. He was satisfied. It sounded like he had to have that day just to be, this creation of the universe has got me tuckered out. Yeah, there was a satisfaction that happened. And then the fall of man happened. And they were separated from not only God,

but from the tree of life. And then it, you know, God comes up. He chooses. a nation. He starts his scheme of redemption. He gives them these laws, which there were moral laws when you read the Ten Commandments and all the things went along with it. But there were also kind of ceremonial laws like the Sabbath. You know, if you work seven days a week and you're not going to live long. I mean, there's a time of rest. Well, now come full circle, Jesus comes to fulfill all this and bring this kind of rest from your work to the rest that we have in

Jesus where we don't have to go chase all the worldly passions and desires. And I mean, we rest in Jesus. He cares for us. And it makes all these passages that we just read come to light. If God's feeding the ravens and he's bringing beauty to the flowers of the field, is he not going to take care of us? We have a rest in the arrest from our own work that we're never going to be good enough to earn God's salvation.

or so that's kind of the principle that the synagogue ruler was a million miles away from because he didn't realize that how you keep the Sabbath with all the laws they've now amended to it it's produced something that's contrary to the very nature of God you now do not have compassion for a woman who's suffering you can't experience joy in that you're going to see the same principle in Luke 15 where the older brother was not happy that his younger brother had come back to the family. Same concept. He doesn't want to celebrate and instead he's humiliated, which was the word that's used here in the context for them. Let's take another word. No, and you're right, Jay's, in another context, Jesus says that man was not made for Sabbath, but Sabbath was made for man.

To your point, it was made as a principle for us to have rest and to what we need. but this guy missed the point and thought that the Sabbath was made for then us to keep rules about the Sabbath and Jesus says no you got it completely backwards yeah I'm the one that made the Sabbath it's his point but they just kept you know and as jes you mentioned it it comes up again in 14 it's going to come up again later that they just keep trying to set this Sabbath trap because that's what they were banking on I don't know why they were so fixated on it and he continues to do these things it it all took place by law.

Yeah. They had law. That's right. The rules. Yeah. The law has to be there. That's the very thing that ties us all up. Yeah.

And people find security in that, and they did, certainly. I've told this story before, but there was a sister one time. There was something going on, and she was unsure about it, and she was coming to me as a church leader. And I said, well, you know, this just, you know, I was basically saying, we're free to do this, that or the other. And I remember her looking at me and she said, yeah, but I'd rather you just tell me it's wrong. All right. So what you were saying was, I need some comfort. I need a lot.

I've been asked a thousand times. Are we under the Ten Commandments? I'm like, technically, no. I mean, Jesus fulfilled those. I said, but those principles are going to apply. I said, even in the Sabbath or even like, you know, something that's ceremonial or like the Lord's supper, which is a ceremony that we do. And how many arguments are there even today about how we're.

going to go about doing this ceremony. It's like you're taking a ceremonial law which is supposed to point us to Jesus and then make rules about it and exclude people because now you've you've tied a moral issue to something that was supposed to signify something else. I mean even today our our biggest problem when it comes to work and risk is we as individuals humans try to work our way to heaven. Yep. Which is really, you know, not what he's talking about here, but that's what we do. Or we're working so hard in a worldly way that we find no rest.

Law begins to take the place of faith. Exactly. That's when you get in a bind. I mean, because it's a good principle to have rest. You know, you can get so caught up in work just providing for your family, which is a great. I mean, Paul told Timothy, if you don't provide for your immediate family, you're worse than an unbeliever. So we're supposed to work. But there's a principle there where if you're working to make money or however you want to describe that, but you're alienating, your family, your relationships or only work-related.

What kind of life are you going to have? There is a spiritual principle. They fix it so that there would be no faith. Do you know what I tell my girls? You'll know my disciples, he said, by their love for one another. And, you know, people say, well, I do this, I do that. I mean, like, who do you love those people? And they'll say, what?

Well, you know, I don't know them. Well, you still love them. And then you can get to know them. And especially they'll want to know if they, if you come in, and just show, I love you. I want to go to heaven with you. Right. I think, though, it comes down to a lot of times with people, to Dad's point, it's an assurance

issue and a trust issue because ultimately, if I leave it subjective, like, I just, I'm doing this because I love the Lord and I want to follow him instead of because I'm told this, because I want to know exactly what I have a rule for our whole life. How far is that line? I want to know what that line is because I want to go right up to it. There are no rules. Remember when you said that? There are no rules.

The only rule we have is there are no rules. That's right. I mean, if you wanted to just make me give you one, I would say Galatians, since you, if you want one rule to go by, I'm going to give you one according to Paul and Galatians. It says Galatians 614, may I never boast except in the, the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, through which the world has been crucified to me, there's your rest, and I to the world, more rest, neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything, which is another ceremonial law that they tried to apply.

That's in the whole book of Galatians. What counts as a new creation, peace and mercy to all who follow this rule. So there's your one rule. There's a rule. You never boast in anything other than the cross of Jesus. You see what he did there? It's almost kind of comical. It is.

You had it right when you said the only rule we have is that there are no rules. There are no rules except for boasting in Jesus Christ. That's it. This is how Dallas Willard says, I pulled this quote up because I preached on this a while back. It says that basically you can do whatever. You can do whatever you want God's way, and this is how he defines this. What does that mean? It means that they will, for the first time, be able to do what they want, meaning us.

Of course, they will be able to steal, lie, and murder all they want, which will be none at all. But they will also be able to be truthful and transparent and helpful and sacrificially loving with joy, and they will want to be that. Their lives will be caught up in God's life. They will want the good and be able to do it. It's the only true human freedom. I love that because it's like, you know, think about it when you're walking with Jesus. That's it. You want to do these things.

That's why, you know, that's the, it's not a begrudging submission. That's what the way they were treating the Sabbath, the Pharisees, they would do things like tie a string to their house. And then they would walk around town. As long as they were touching that string that was touching their house, they were like, oh, well, we're technically at our house. house or they would take an item out of their house before Sabbath and they would go put it in the center of town and then that way they could say, well, technically a piece of my home is in the middle of town. And the whole thing was it was a begrudging submission.

They thought that the rule, the Sabbath was a rule. And so they were trying to get around it. And they didn't understand that the Sabbath was meant for them. It was a blessing for them to rest and to. be present and to not busy your life away. Yeah, yeah. They were missing, missing. I think it's confusing when, so when you get to the New Testament,

Jesus dies, buried, raised, I mean, he's introducing the kingdom now. And so one of the things he keeps dealing with is the Sabbath, because they're trying to hold the letter of the law. And he's like, I'm trying to show you what that was intended to do. And now I'm fulfilling it in me. You want some rest? You remember when he said, come to me, all who are burdened and heavy laden, and I'll give you rest. But when you fast forward, post-resurrection, post-spirit being poured out, when Paul was explaining this in Ephesians 2,

because if you read verse 10 of chapter 2 before reading what's above it, it says, for we are God's workmanship created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do, which seems to fly in the face if you're following the Ten Commandments today, and you're like the Sabbath, and you're like, well, he's saying, we're supposed to be working here. So what does it mean? But he explains it in the previous chapter, I mean the previous verses,

when he says, you were dead in your transgressions and sin, which you used to live, and you followed the world and the ruler of the kingdom of the heir, which you go back to what the story were reading, he had bound her over without her consent. Yeah. In this case, he said, I released her from this bondage, but still the spiritual, you know, we chose to follow our own sinful desires from Paul's perspective here. And then in verse three, it says, we all lived among them at one time, gratifying the crazines of the sinful nature.

Like the rest, we were by nature, objects of wrath. And then verse four, but because of his great love, God who is rich in mercy, made us alive with Christ. I mean, there's your grace. There's the offer of rest, you know, from chasing your selfish desires. In verse six, God raised us up, seated us with him in the heavenly realms, in order that he in the coming ages might show the riches of his grace, rest in kindness to us in Christ Jesus.

For it is by grace you've been saved through faith. And this is not from yourselves. It's the gift of God, not by work so that no one can boast. That's why the one rule I gave you was we only boast. His healing, the people of that day, they were glorifying the evil one. Yeah. They were cutting him some slack on this deal. Satan is the one that bent her over

and she's probably Yeah in essence The synagogue ruler was defending The work is the target And they were saying No you're you're They were for him Right

No you're right And keep her like she is I mean what Satan's done to it Just let it go And they were doing it inadvertently Which to Jesus point out That's what self-righteous people do Let's take another break

Yeah so my point was though He was trying to say how you follow the Sabbath is going to bring glory from God. If you get this all right, and you're reading Ephesians too, which is the exact opposite saying, this is a gift from God. He sent Jesus to doubt.

You're not going to keep a standard of rules, even though I gave them to you to show you how a productive nation should operate. Those were principles. The Ten Commandments were principles to make a great nation. but they couldn't keep them and not only that they then started dissecting them and making it all about how you kept them and bring it on more yeah and bringing on hundreds more and so then you get to the end which is so ironic and he's like because the sabbath principle is a good principle we are to

take time and catch your breath even if you were in ministry the target was the evil one yeah and so then it gets to the end it's like it's a gift of god it's it's not from yourselves but we are god's workmanship created to do good work it's a grace motivated work that we do because he did all the work he saved us well that makes us want to be used and and humble the difference is we can take a deep breath and realize that it's not my performance or it's not my power or this is how he chose Never a bad mouth somebody who's been healed. Well, exactly. Yeah, that's why you don't want to be in the humiliating crowd.

You know, one of the things I find fascinating is it's almost like a coin with two sides. One, we're dealing with the self-righteous in this context, but you could make the same point for the selfish. I mean, this woman was bound by Satan in this physical condition for 18 years. We've been talking about the movie, the blind, that you were bound to. 28 years. Eight years. Not by a physical malady, but a spiritual one. But you were, I remember, Dad, because the line you kept using was, I'm just looking for my freedom.

You know, but every time you turned to worldly things, it made you more in bondage. That's right. I mean, you couldn't find what you were looking for there. So it's kind of ironic. It's the same coin. Satan's using the same thing just in different ways, whether you're self-right. Yeah, another point they used back then was who's a man. Remember that?

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And that was the theme in the movie. Oh, I said, who's an idiot? What was the Greek word from Bowles, idiot? Idiota. You won that one, baby. Well, you know, it's funny when you...

That's a drop the mic, Mom. It's, when you think about, I've heard this, I've heard this a lot in sermons. I've probably even said it, and depending on what you mean by it, I agree with it. But, you know, pastors will say, say don't follow your heart. And the idea is, you know, your heart's corrupted. You know, the Bible says that the heart's deceitful. And from the heart, Jesus said, flows all these types of sins.

But the truth is, is that no one can, no one can really not follow their heart. I mean, we do what we do for the simple reason that we want to do it. And I think that what's interesting about the Christian walk is it's not, we, if you grew up in kind of a fundamental is Christianity, it's like, oh, your desires are too strong. You need to tamper that down. You get your desires are too strong. And I don't think that's the Christian message. It's not, it's not to get rid of desire. It's not to get rid of your want. This isn't Buddhism. This isn't, you know, divest yourself of any desire want or love or affection. What the Christian call is, and where the true freedom lies is it's to properly index your desires towards God. And so,

So C.S. Lewis said it best when he said, it's not that the Lord finds our desires too strong. It's actually the opposite. He finds our desires too weak that we're half-hearted creatures. And we go about fooling about with drink and sex, which is what Phil did in the movie. He said because it's like settling for mud pies in the slum because you can't fathom a holiday by the sea. So like in the blind, for example, Phil's life 27 years, he's, or 28 years, he's eating mud pies in the slum. for the reason that he can't fathom a holiday by the seat. It's not the diminish of your desires.

It's actually being in Christ, you're awakened. Your senses are actually awakened to something better, something more real. And that's true freedom because it's bondage if you just tell people, hey, don't do any of the fun stuff in life so that you can prove your loyalty and allegiance to God. and then if you're good enough at the end of time, he may let you in to eternal life, which is really just eternal existence on your own, an autonomous living. That's not the gospel. The gospel is that Christ is inviting you into union with him, where there is the riches of life.

It's the, it's the, it's the, it's, that there is life in Christ and there's life abundantly. This is where life is at on this side of it. Well, I think that's why he moves to the next. two parables when he says in verse 18 and look these are very small parables but they are power pat

and their brain teasers and they're really it harkens back to what davis i meant ago the difference between faith and law these two parables really pointed out beautiful i mean when you think about being born again and you think about this coming from within

without really you've been able to see it he tells these two parables in verse 18 then Jesus asked, what is the kingdom of God like? What shall I compare it to? It's like a mustard seed which a man took and planted in his garden. It grew and became a tree and the birds of the air perched in its branches. Again, he asked, what shall I compare the kingdom of God to? It is like yeast that a woman took and mixed into a large amount of flour until it worked all through the dough. So you got two pictures here.

Both are something small that then becomes something greater, which really becomes the principle. Because that's the difference in faith. The difference in faith and law is that faith, just a small commitment, can grow into something massive. So it was same with you. And I love it. We call the movie The Blind, and obviously it meant the duck blind was part of it. And I love the way it starts in a duck blind. But it's really the idea of a blind.

blind person who is trying to find his way all of a sudden has the blinders taken off and that's what this is talking about this is talking about the mustard seed of faith and the idea of the yeast which mom you can speak to with cooking i mean if you don't if your yeast is no good right you get the flat bread it never works out so it's something that grows it into something bigger well then he actually picked two things he picked the tiniest seed but who doesn't like mustard i mean let's just be realistic. It's like mustard? Yeah.

What's a mustard seed? Is that? Do you not like mustard? Corn dogs in heaven. At least there's mustard. I'm a big, big mustard fan. How could we ever eat a corn dog or a hot dog if we had no mustard? I have to admit, when I first read this, I thought, yep, I get it.

He's taking the greatest things. Because when you got another one of his favorite commodities was fish and multiple fish fries. Well, we all know, as Louisiana people, that when you take a, Cropi, which I'll argue, best freshwater fish that you can eat, and you give it a mustard bath and then roll it around in flour and fried in peanut oil. You have one of life's wonders. Yep.

It is good. So when I first read that, I thought, yep, got to have mustard. Ham flour, which that's where you get your... And in Louisiana, you know, we have our own mustard because we weren't happy with the spice amount of the world's mustard. And by the way, I've researched mustard just because I love it. You got to have it on, well, look. No surprise.

Are you surprised at these reasons? You figure this out, though. This is about being born again. When I read this, it's about the imperishable seed that Peter was talking about. I mean, it's not just a seed. I mean, God plants his gospel, number one, in our heart, and number two, he plants the Holy Spirit. Once you understand, I got to surrender to this. And it's an imperishable sea.

And I think he's showing two principles here, the power of God, you know, planting the gospel in you and the Spirit. But it's also that in both these cases, it takes time. It's like gross. it's not something you see i mean a mustard seed is so small you would never think it's powerful but you put it in the ground and i think really y'all were talking about the movie you know it took a while to see the end result i mean i remember the first couple years you know of your christian life you know it was bumpy but we it was a bumpy for all of us there's there's a growth process that happens i've used this illustration uh i heard keller give numerous times about the acre and you know

If you take an acre and throw it up against concrete, well, it has no chance. But you put it in the ground right beside the concrete, give it a few years, and it will uproot the concrete. I mean, it becomes a powerful force. Because the point is, just like an acrant tree, just like mustard seeds, God, that's his creation. It's a growth process. And when you compare it to what's planted in us, talking about the imperishable seed of

Jesus via the Holy Spirit. well, now we've become a new order of human life that is at the top. Because you think everything has like vegetables. And you can see the result of it. Yeah, you got vegetables and you move up to animals and they're all limited in some form. And you get to humans. You say, okay, they have the ability to discern and to do wise things and good and evil. But then you put the Holy Spirit in a human.

Well, now you have a new order of life. And that's what he's saying with the kingdom. is like it grows into this giant force based on supernatural power that's his kingdom that he's bringing that which is the only way you can explain you know Phil's like for example in the blind is that the when when we came up with the title of the blind it was to Al's point it was that it was a double I think it's called a double entendre that he has double meaning yes it's duck mine but really it's about that Phil was blind and you know, there's that famous hymn, right, that we've all sang.

Everybody knows it. Amazing Grace. How sweet the sound. I once was blind, but now I see. I just pulled this up because I wanted to read it because I think this is so powerful. This is John Newton who wrote Amazing Grace. And he also wrote his own epitaph. And this is what he said about himself before he died, which is this is on his gravestone.

John Newton, clerk, once an infidel and a libertine, a servant of slaves in Africa. was by the rich mercy of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, preserved, restored, pardoned, and appointed to preach the faith he had long labor to destroy. I mean, that is it. That's the Apostle Paul, who was Saul of Tarsus. That is John Newton, who was a slave trader, who wrote one of the probably the most well-known hymn in history. That was Phil Robertson, who was partying.

his life away and became an evangelist for Christ and the baptized thousands of people into Jesus. That is anybody who is in Christ. We can all say that about ourselves pre-Christ that we were infidels. And we tried to destroy long labor to destroy the faith that we now saves us. Yeah. No, that's good. I was going to have a couple of minutes left before we go to overtime. But I was going to ask you because I know there's a lot of people.

listening. Now some will have seen the movie. And maybe their husband or their wife, they're in this difficult time, maybe their family's in trouble. I mean, what would you give them advice on? Because you hung in there. You had that bathroom moment where you lost hope, but then God restored that. So what would you tell folks that are young families out there struggling? Maybe the husband or their wife is not where they need to be spiritually. And what would you encourage them with? Well, I would always tell them that they're just going to have to pray and pray and believe that God will work. But it's in his time, not your time. Yeah, that's good.

Because our time wants to be really fast. Yeah. Let's hurry up. And I remember waiting a 10 years on him, and I would think, you know, why, Lord, I'm doing everything I know to do, trying to raise y'all and all those things. and it was just like he's not moving. He's stuck. Yeah. But it's just you don't give up and you don't quit praying.

And it really will develop your patience. Yeah. And I would say that. And somebody would say, well, how did you have the patience? Because I pray for it. Yeah. That's great. Which is your best avenue?

It's the power that demolish your strongholds according to the Bible. Yeah. And it really illustrates, you know, that second parable. That's right. I mean, you got yeast, which I wasn't real familiar what yeast was, but when I looked it up, well, it's a fungus. Yeah. And it only has one cell.

I mean, it seems not powerful at all and kind of disgusting, which is a lot like. Or a germaphobe, it would sound disgusting. Kind of a lot like us. Yeah, exactly. And all of a sudden, you insert, you know, God's power or, you know, you insert it in this case and bread, which Jesus is a bread of life. And all of a sudden, I was watching these videos when they would just put the camera on it, and this bread was just sitting seemingly dormant.

And it just started moving. Yeah, starts moving. It just starts getting bigger and bigger and bigger and you're bigger. And you're like, oh, and it's creating, you know, the bubbles in the bread. And I'm like, what a fascinating thought. You'd have to be the creator of the universe to come up with illustrations like that that can change your life. and give you a picture of the power of what you're involved in. You know, if it keeps, y'all used to see it when I had the homemade rolls,

and you'd say, it's coming out of the pan. I mean, it's just growing and popping right out of the pan. That's how it grows. And I think the life that you have personally that happens and what you are going to be to others, which is why he says the birds come up and gather on the trees is true. So when you look at mustard, you shouldn't go by the worldly standards. Because mustard's not even yellow.

They put that in there and make yellow. And French is mustard. You know where they make it? Britain. Really? Yeah. I thought, what a lie that is. Look it up.

So I'm saying if you want. French is mustard, but it's not from France. It's from England. Made from England. I thought, well, there you go. That's pretty much describes the difference in the world. and the difference in the Lord right here. Your life with the power of God in it

is like that little bitty mustard seed that becomes this huge branch, and who doesn't like mustard? And even in the world, they try to make it look better. They don't have to do that. I'll take it with its old brown-looking color. It tastes exactly the same.

They just want to make it look pretty, which is what we do in the world. I actually enjoy the brown mustard better. All right, we're out of time, and I'm getting hungry. so we will go into overtime, which is blazedtv.com slash unashamed is where overtime content is. The dessert. Thanks for listening to The Unashamed podcast. Help us out by rating us on iTunes.

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