Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 765 | Phil & Uncle Si Get Chased by 50 Coyotes & Why Jase Doesn’t Get Along with Si

Episode Date: October 6, 2023

Uncle Si and his assistant Phillip McMillan have some wild tales to tell! Phil has forgotten most of them, even though he was there. Jase reveals the reason he and Si “don’t get along,” and Si recalls the darkness he fell into while in Vietnam. The guys explore exactly when Jesus’ journey to Jerusalem started, and it’s not what you think. Al proposes that the Pharisees were suffering from a deeper condition than just hatred of Jesus.  In this episode: Luke 14, verses 1–35 https://apple.co/theblind — "The Blind Movie Podcast: The Robertson Family Story" is here! For the first time, Phil, Kay, Si, Al, Lisa, Jase, Missy, Willie, Korie, Jep, Jessica, Phyllis, Zach, Jill, and Sadie come together on one podcast to tell stories you won't hear anywhere else. https://philmerch.com — Get your “Unashamed” mugs, shirts, hats & hoodies! "The Blind" is in theaters now! Get your tickets: https://www.fathomevents.com/events/The-Blind — Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? Welcome back to Unashame. And back by popular demand. We have signed Ophiel McMillian. What about it, Al? It's always good to have you guys on. And we're actually, apparently in your locale today, because I'm looking at my screen. And y'all are in the duck call room today. So that's a little bit different. Is everything moved to town for some reason, Chase? Did you just decide you want to go to the duck hall room? What are we doing?

I didn't get the memo until I did. It's just turned into bizarro world. I think it had something to do with the promotion of Phil's movie. The Blind. The Blind. So Zach, who is not here, because he's busy. He's a mogul. And so the next thing I knew,

because size now a package deal. I'm not sure what's happened. I mean, y'all have become the Batman and Robin, the motorcycle with the little scooter beside it. Every time I see y'all, I picture a motorcycle with a scooter. It looks like the number 10. But, Philip, you're always driving.

Well, yeah, I have to drive. Have you ever seen him drive? Have I seen him drive? Oh, my goodness. Well, then you know. Yeah, I actually got someone reached out on one of those I Survive shows, and they said,

we heard that you had ridden with Sigh and survived. Is that true, Sine? No, I made it up. All I do is the life on the movie, I have the need for speed. Yeah. That's true. Well, you know,

Seinfeld said you should be able to drive whatever, the speed limit is whatever your age is, because you've earned that. So the older you get, the faster you should be able. to drive. So we should just get out of your way. Yeah, it's actually the opposite.

Well, 75 is a good speed because I was on the I-20 going east and I look to the right and there's a green winged till. Oh, here we go. I actually mentioned this story in our last podcast. You did. Yeah. So, hey, I'm looking and I looked at the speed officer. I'm doing 75 in that green wing till.

Now, he's on cruise control. Yeah. He ain't rolling, he ain't rolling but 75. Yeah. On a deal, on a downhill sale, they were on about 125. So I've clocked them going 75. And that's the end of that story. Yeah.

Well, we cleared that up. Yeah, that was actually mentioned earlier. So Phil's always good to have you, Philip, back on the podcast. You were telling us you've been having, you had some, you had some health issues lately. Yeah. We're kind of bizarre. Yeah, it was kind of weird. I was driving to a meeting over in Rustin, and, you know, right now I'm driving

Sy's old truck, but it's got a picture of Cy wrapped around it, and so everybody thinks that it's Cy, and it's really mean. Really? Boy, they probably see you and say, wow. They say, look how good Cy looks. He's gained a little weight. He's had surgery. Thank you, Phil, for taking the fat jokes for me.

music the one that gets those. I'm not going to leave you by yourself. Thank you, brother. No, he actually scared me. The phone rang and he said, hey, look, I'm over in Rustin. I just had, you know, he said, I had gas in my chest and all this other jobs. And I said, what? Oh, I was in the ER. So I made it to Rustin, but then I had to pull off the road because I was about to pass out. What did the doctor say? The doctor, four hours after I went in, the doctor said, okay, your blood is fine, your pressure's fine. You don't, you don't have a stroke, you didn't have a heart attack, you got gas. And I said, well, I've known that for years. Well, that's bad needs a little gas. He said, get out of here. Oh, but by the way, you have a

uti, a urinary tract infection. He said, which can cause some damage. And I mean, that's why you're probably dehydrated and you, I mean, some things go wild when you have a UTI. I've never had one before. So you probably get them every day. She said your shoulder. was hurting. And my shoulder was numb because the night before me and Alicia were watching the movie and I fell asleep on the couch and she just left me. You know, the next morning I'm like, all stove up, we're like, oh, my face is a little numb. So I got the numb face, the bubble gut, and I'm about to pass out from the UTI. And I'm like, maybe I can, I can't make it. So you had a urinary tract infection and your shoulder's hurting it. And my face was numb.

That track went off the rail somewhere. Oh, it went off to the rail. And his face is gone. You took a wrong turn in Albuquerque. Yeah, so he let me go and said, you know, here's your medicine and you're going to be fine. And then I texted my wife and said, oh, just by the way, I stopped by the ER, everything's fine. You know, I'll call you later. So when she got out, she was like, why didn't you call me and tell me?

I would have it. I said, I know you would have. I didn't want you to. I was fine. I figured I'd be okay. And if I wasn't okay, I was okay. I was okay, because the whole time I was like praying, you know, I was like, Lord, thank you for blessing me and things you've done in my life.

Because that'll put things in perspective quickly. Yeah. You know, until he came into the doctor shaking his head. No. No, you're fine. Get out. Get out. I was like, well, sorry.

Stop by. It all started with you driving size truck. That's, that's, then all of a sudden you started getting these old men diseases. That's exactly what happened. Transfer. You left them in there for me, didn't you? So, have you seen any good westerns lately?

Yeah, I just watched Lee Van Cliff with, what, Death rode a horse. Death rode a horse. Yeah, and every time he showed a horse, people fixing to die,

boy, sure. So was Lee Van Clef the good guy in this one? Yeah. Well, he was both. Because he's been, and most of the,

Eastwood movies he was in. He was either bad or both. He was kind of like that. He was a bad guy and he saved this kid. You know, this gang killed the kid's father and mother and like his siblings. Okay. And he survived because Levin Cliff hit him from the guy. I think it's Cleave and Cleef, not Cliff.

Well, whatever. Okay. Anyway, it was a lot of gun play and a lot of dying going on. That's a good way. And the best one was the guy. One of the bad guys was called Four Aces. He had four aces tattoo on his chest. Well, when the kid killed him, he shot him all four aces.

And then Cliff come in and said, hey, he killed three of them, y'all. Because the kid already, he said, hey, look, using four bullets on one man is a waste. Don't ruin the ending. I haven't seen it. Is this a new movie? No, it's an old. Oh, yeah. You can tell us a Spaghetti Western because of all.

all the wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow. The sound effects. And all the shots, they have that ricochet. Yeah, they got the neatest gun sounds. That's right. I got a question. Have you ever seen the movie Valdez is coming? Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, I never can't think of that guy's name. Bert Lancaster. Bert Lancaster. Yeah, that's all that's just telling me what. Tell them Valdez is coming. and then I'll add like tombstone and guess what there's death coming with valdez death coming with me boys how I'm trying to find a spiritual application here

I'm struggling yeah I'm waiting on us to move forward hey well hey look here's the spiritual here's the spiritual side of there is a resurrection coming so that's why I ain't worried about death yeah all all right oh that works oh lee baby And Cliff just gets you to the resurrection little quicker. Clif is taking you to the resurrection, boys. Don't worry about it. Hey, well,

before we move on. Take the bullet and fall over and, hey, let's move on. Before we move on, I at least want to mention, Cy, that you're,

well, not you personally, but your character is in a movie called the blind that's, that's actually out this week. And we talked a little bit about that last time you guys were home. But I didn't mention last time that, you actually, you and Christine, were living in Junction City for some of that period of time that the movie was going on because you're kind of prominent in the movie and Jan is as well

because it shows some childhood stuff that you guys went through and kind of growing up. And then also as you got older and you're kind of, you know, trying to, you know, figure out how do we get dad back on the rails, you know? So it was interesting. But during that period of time, I don't know. people have ever talked about this on the podcast. They put me in school. I was like four years old.

And they just, you know, they didn't have anything to do with me. So they just stuck me in school, which I guess in Arkansas, you can go whenever you want to, which caused me to be a 16 year old senior, which wasn't necessarily the best of things.

But they didn't have anything to do with Jace because Jace was just a baby. He was a little toddler. So he spent a lot of time with you and Christine during that era. Y'all kept him a lot. when we were kids. So I've always thought that's, and he's your namesake because he was named after you.

Is that what happened? And that's reason we can't get along. I thought we'd get along fine. Are you angry at me for some reason? No. You're too much, you got some of my mannerisms. So I, you know, we can't deal. We're too hard-headed, I think.

Stubborns are worked. Bing, Ming-ming, bing, me. But, but, Sire, you talked about, when we did the blind movie podcast, you talked about, you know, the difficulty and kind of having a front row seat to all that because you were living there. And yet Jan's like eternal optimism and sort of sticking up for dad was was powerful. And talk a little bit about that. Just kind of your experience from being right there in the midst of the whole thing and then, of course, watching the change. Well, as I have said before, the whole family had given up on him.

except one person. That was my younger sister. You know? And she, she really jumped on all of us, okay, with both feet. Rightfully so.

Oh, no, no. And, hey, she'd do a dance on you, I'm telling you, you know, telling me, hey, y'all need to be ashamed of yourself. That's your brother

for crying out loud, blood kin, and, you know, you all just don't understand. He's going to run up on Jesus one of these days, and when he does, you're going to be shocked

at all the people. people he brings to Christ. Yes. You know, bless her heart. She was right. And, uh, but he actually put me in bad situations. Because we would, it would start out to really, let's go hunting. Well, then the hunt would bring in the alcohol and the women and all this other junk.

Yeah. Yeah. So it would just, it put me in a bad situation and feel, I said, well, I, I, I've abandoned him just like everybody else and Phil said no you didn't because you actually went with him and you was a positive influence with him and I said well I don't know about that you know I said it made Kay feel better that I was with him but you know it never did deter nothing that was going on yeah yeah so you know it was just it was a it was a it was a rough time you know and in the family's background yeah and I thought and I thought the movie captured it well

just the you guys trying to figure out what to do. And, you know, it's sort of like having, you know, a kid that goes sideways and goes as a prodigal like we're going to get into with Luke 15. It's just a hard thing to know what to do to try to reach them. Well, you just don't know what, you know, you want to help them and you want to be there for them. But like you said, you really, you know, you can't help someone that don't want it.

Yeah. Okay. And like, in the movie, this plays it really good. Talking about, hey, you know, Phil just told them all. Hey, look, I'm going to live my life the way I want to. All you all get out of my face. Yeah. I thought it was neat that, you know, how it kind of closes with, you know,

10 years after and there's a, there's a meal of people together. And it's kind of a little bit of, I think, a nod to Duck Dynasty, like around the dinner table. but so the actor that played you is there and then and then my youngest daughter played christine which was which was funny that we got to do that we got to some of our some of the younger ones got to play y'all as in a younger age but i think the idea is that it you know obviously ended on a high note which is a good thing let's uh let's take our first part so yeah and so the movie is great obviously we want people to continue to see it um you know it's it makes the difference in people's lives and that's, you know, that's what we're trying to do.

So I want to mention one more thing before we get to our text. You were like whenever you, you went in the military after that, after the movie era, you went into the military full time. So we only got to see you, you know, seemed like every other year maybe, what even every year, because you'd be deployed and you were in Germany quite a bit and overseas. But when you would come in, you know, you'd usually spend a week, you and Christ, the kids. And then, of course, it was domino games and all the stuff we've talked about.

We were together for that whole week. We'd be hunting because it'd usually be Thanksgiving or Christmas. But you would always tell us your stories. And so that was kind of the foundation for us of having Uncle Sioux tell us stories, which was obviously then such a big deal in the shows and everything we've done since then. And whenever they were going to, when the show was out and people were starting to write books. And so we were going to write this, they were going to do a book with you. and it was kind of a, the idea was like just your sayings and stuff from the show.

And I heard about it and I thought, well, that'll be interesting. But I thought to myself, that's a missed opportunity because it would be a lot better book if Sa told his life story through his stories that I grew up here. So the publisher called me, this is unusual because they had already made the deal. They were doing their thing. It was kind of minimal work kind of a thing because you weren't going to have to contribute a ton to the book. And she asked me if I thought. thought this was a good idea because I've been working with the other books.

And I said, I think you're missing opportunity because I think SAC could do a book about his life story, but told by him through his stories, the stories that we grew up here, because they were always fantastic. We would sit around just, you know, wrapped, waiting to how it was going to end. And so she changed the whole plan. And that's what we wound up doing. So I got to spend three days with you and Christine, just prompting stories. that I grew up here and then you and Christine telling your life through the prism of those

stories. And so that was psychology, which was the first book you did. And the best one, in my opinion, because it was so good. But it was really rich. And I just, I don't know if I've ever told you this, but I really, I love that three days because it was like going back in time to tell those stories. And so I just think that was more uniquely you. And obviously it was the right thing to do. Well, that was actually a good call on your deal because the guy that the publisher, every time we'd go to New York, we'd go to a meal, have some restaurant. He'd come sit by me and he said, hey, look, when are you going to write your book? And I said, hey, look, I've lived my life.

It ain't very, it's not very interesting. He said, look, Willie wrote, I think Willie wrote the first one. It wasn't number one, best seller. Then Phil wrote the next one. and it wasn't, he said, hey, look, just between me and you, don't tell anybody I said that. You write your book, you'll sell three times what will he sell, five times what Phil says. You know, and I said, are you kidding me?

He said, I'm telling you, you need to write your book. So I finally relented, well, they got what we call a ghost writer to come over, okay, and me and you and him sit down for three days. Yeah. And you would kind of, when I was running out of gas, you'd say, hey, tell them this one. It's one of my favorites. So the storytelling thing, that's why the book is unique. Okay, because it really, that's my life, that book, but it's through my stories.

Yeah. So how much of the book is actually true? 95%. 95%. Okay. And that's why it was so funny, because look, you know, since I'm the youngest, we feel come in one Friday night. said, mom, you know, me and my friends are going to catfish on Red River.

You know, and the first thing out of Mama's mouth was, take you brother. You know, oh, Mom, I'm going to, I'm going to my football player team, you know, and all that. He said, take you brother. So since I was youngest, they dropped me off on River on this side, okay, there's a boat there. They crank it up for them and said, hey, see that log over there on the other side? I said, yeah.

They said, motor straight to it and tie the boat up, and then wait. We'll be around later. We're going to get all the goods, you know. And I said, okay. So I don't even know where I'm at. I'm just on Red River somewhere and it's in the wilderness, okay? So I go across, they wait until they watch me tie the boat up, and then they wave and they leave.

Well, it's getting dark. You know, I'll walk up the top of the cliff. It's in a little area in the wood there where a camp used to be. You could tell somebody at the camp there, you know. So I'm sitting there and I'm talking, ooh, it's getting dark. You know, I ain't got no fire. I ain't got nothing. I'm sitting in the wilderness.

So then the coyotes start, yep. We called them wolves back in that days. Okay, but it was like a cowl. Yeah, so anyway, hey. They called him wolves. Yeah, yeah. So it was a circle about 30 yards, you know, in woods, you know, bushes. I hear them yelling, you know, brim-bib-bhub, yeah.

And one of them sticks his head on the other side, you know, looking. He sees you. Yeah, he sees me, and there's another one sticks his head out. So look, there's a problem. There's a place in the, you can tell where a pickup had been through the grass. Hmm. So they get to chasing me. Well, hey, I take off running.

Y'all, this is just on grass. It turns into a dirt road. Okay, that dirt road turns into a gravel road. Then the gravel road turns into a paved road. They're still chasing. Oh, they're still chasing me. I look back, you know, and I got it in first gear. I said, hey, you can put it in second, sir.

Put it in second. Nope, they can't. Put it in third. No. Hey, go ahead. put it in fit, put the hammer down because, hey, they get close. But you're on foot. I'm on foot.

So look. So these are gears within the body right behind you. And I got, you know, my kids tennis shoes on. Yeah. So anyway, I've done run about 10 miles. Okay. Well, I finally look behind them. I said, okay, I lost it.

So I stopped, you know, I was trying to catch my breath. And all I can smell is burnt rubber. I said, well, we got a man that a farmer's burning some wood piles. He's through a tire on it and lit it, gas on it. He's burning woods, y'all. About that time, I started, kill it. Creep, it's getting hot around this, you want, boys.

Y'all and then the aroma of burnt rubber. And I looked down, and my kid's tennis shoes are on fire. Yeah, so lucky, just lucky it had rained. So I look over there, and I step in her desk and just, I put them out. Everybody asks me, said, well, okay, how much is that is true? I said, everything in that story is true, but one thing. The wolves?

I said, no. I said, my tennis shoes didn't catch on fire. I said, but, hey, I had been picking them up and lay them down so fast that, hey, when I was walking on the pavement, it was, so my whole book, that's about all the stories about my life. Yeah. So it's really an interesting read. So that was three days, Jay's. You don't think you were sitting in the boat, fell asleep, dream that.

No, I didn't dream that. Oh, I've been chased by coyotes twice. Really? Yeah. Benfield was shooting ducks. Oh, here we go. On the old river, Red River. I hadn't heard this one.

Yeah. So, look, we're chest deep in water. Okay. Did you have waiters on? No. No. In fact, our waiters was tennis shoes and blue jeans. Oh, okay.

Okay, so anyway, we're chest deep, and we was right on the edge of the tree line. okay because the matter would come out there in the dead light about 40 yards outside them trees well hey it's too far from the bank so he had to get on the tree line and then a day was in gun range yeah yeah so we'd let them come down and back pedal and you just bo bo bo bo boom you'll kill them y'all fell said hey shoot that crippled over there the duck spinning like this yeah hey shoot that cripple so i was going over and i looked well there's a shadow about eight-foot long under this duck. Well, about that time, the duck

spinning and this, oh. Disappeared. The duck disappeared, and then that shadow starts moving toward me. I just, hey, then it was a little walking on water there. I went to the bank. You'll fist, what are you doing? I said, alligator,

about 10 foot long. Then he walked. We both walked on water. So where's the coyote come in? Well, hey, anyway. So, yeah. no no so we pick up look we pick up how long did these stories last you tell me no no this is quick so look you're in this story we had a toast sack full of ducks

throw them over our back well they're bloody yeah so then we here rober brer brer right you feel so good creek they're i think that's right than us yeah yeah well they're getting close well this was back in the day when look we would get on the school bus going to school yeah the the trap That operas that night had caught all these coyotes. And you'd see like 50 to 75 or 150 on the fence line. 50 cowboys.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, they were pulling down grown bulls. It wasn't a cave for a sick cow. Had y'all been drinking the night before? No, no. This was when we was in high school. This was pre-Jesus. But anyway, hey.

Well, no. They got to chasing and, hey, he said, how many sheds you got? And I said, I ain't got but two left. He said, well, we're in trouble because I ain't got but a couple of left myself. And that's a pack of coyotes. Oh. Yeah. So they was actually trails.

You remember that, Phil? The documentation of these stories would be hard to. I was watching Phil. I don't know. Something happened in Vietnam. No, no. When I, the one in there, about it, okay. I was driving.

Hang on, Sa- Hang on, I want you to tell this story because this is one of my favorites. We've got to take a break. Are you going to tell the one about them stealing the tire off the truck? Yeah. This is a physics impossibility. No, no, I'm telling you, look. My job was I would drive the troops in a deuce and a half. They let you drive.

Yeah, yeah, I had to. It was an order. But anyway, I would drive the troops from the hotel room, downtown cantoe, to the airfield where we worked. The Army had you drive in the tree? Yeah. But anyway, so hey, look, this is on the douce knife with no canvas on it.

Okay, open, open. Yeah. So they're sitting on top of the tires. So we go to work. That day, you know, five o'clock comes. I load them up. We leave there, okay, and I never got below 10 miles an hour.

You just remember that, random. You're rolling. I'm talking about 10 miles because it was heavy traffic at day. Yeah. Tim out of the way to the hotel. I put it in the hotel parking lot, parked my truck, lock it up. They're unloading, jumping off the back of the truck.

Yeah. Well, I've done locked my truck up, and when I'm walking toward the hotel, one of the guys says, hey, right, you're missing the outer deal. I said, ha, hi, nice try. What is the outer duel? Tire.

There's two tires. There's two tires. Okay. So anyway, he said, no, seriously. You know, I look at it, I'm a stub sticking out. y'all and well there's a couple more troops coming off the truck i said hey whoa whoa and they said hey you just got up from over that tire where'd my tire go and they said what you

talking about i said hey i'm missing i had a tire tire here so you were sitting above it what what happened he said i didn't see nothing did hear nothing i said holy wait a minute this can't be happening so what happened i'm not following it hey they stole they stole one of my tires going 10 miles a lot while you were driving somebody came out and stole your car hey look hey look

when I first got there that'd be a tough thing to have you your wrench impossible oh no hey they stole maybe the night before

but anyways I told I was telling this and Phil said he said wait a minute was there any alcohol involved I said well I kept a fifth in my fatigue pocket so now we're getting

oh day Yeah. Then Phil said, now your stories make sense. Because you told me that by the end of the day that fifth would be empty. I said, well, you're right there. He said, well, now your stories make sense. You was drunk and you dreamed all of this. Yeah.

Oh, man. It was, so it was three days of these stories. But we had heard these stories growing up. And so I remembered all of them. And sometimes I'd have to prompt side to get to them. Well, how long is this book? If 95% of it's true, based on what I've heard, this must be the longest book ever, because I'm not sure. I don't know how many pages. It's a pretty good book. It's about that thick. Yeah. It was about the size of good call, about the same size.

Yeah. But it's really an interesting read. Yeah. It is. It is. It's fantastic. You're never going to get bored, okay, because you don't ever know what's going to happen next. But so what would happen, Jay's, each one of the stories that Sai would tell were from a different era of his life, like his childhood, you know, his Vietnam experiences. So when we would do the story, of course, that was opening and that's what got you laughing and into it. And then Cy would and Christine would tell some of the stuff that happened during that era from their life. So it was, it was size life story, but but told through the prism of what we love about it, which is, which was, which was. the crazy fantastical story. And now I'll give us back on what we need to be talking about,

about spiritual. Yeah. Okay, because somebody asked me, what did Vietnam teach you? And I said, well, okay,

it teaches me and I'll use Star Wars, okay, about, you know, Luke's father talking about coming on over to the dark side. Yeah. I said, hey,

I, you know, there is a dark side. Yeah. Okay, because I went there in Vietnam. Yeah. okay so you know you can fall off of the wagon here but and you go to the dark side so jace let me tell you

this when we're out doing events and sye speaking he'll tell these stories and get people laughing and then he'll preach the gospel to them while they're all laughing and having fun and they're they're more open to listening yeah and so sye uses that humor and then comes in and shares the gospel with them and so it's amazing and he does great i mean i'm And I'll tell you all the time, I appreciate what you do. Get them laughing and then. But you don't get to hear that side. Pop them with Jesus.

You know. So at what point did you move from the dark side to the Jesus side? Was that when you got back home from Vietnam? Yeah. It's like what we're talking about, you know, you have something happening in your life. And clarity happens. Yeah. Well, and that's why there was tension with, you know,

size of a new Christian. I mean, he's discovered what he wants to do, and he's married. and get ready to start a famine. That's why there was that tension there because dad wasn't there yet. And yet, obviously, they were so close. So, I mean, to be able to see that and watch that and appreciate that is a lot. And then, Philip, I guess your role is kind of like mine. You're the story prompter.

Yeah. And y'all's, when you're out on the road and stuff like that to get side going. But you always know how it's going to end. And I love doing appearances with side for the same reason. When Lisa and I speak, it's similar. You know, we're talking about pro-life and abortion. and I do funny stuff up front, get everybody laughing, get everybody relaxed. Because, you know, then you're willing to listen.

And then she comes in with the power punch, you know, tells about her life and about what Christ did. So let's take another break. So I want to talk our last part of the podcast about Luke 14 is where we are. We'll get Simon Phillips' take on this. Philip, you were, I don't know if we mentioned this in the last podcast, but before you went to Abilene, because you told about that and wound up, you know, doing what you're doing now in the children's home,

But you went to the school of preaching for, was it a year? You were there with Willie? A year and a half. Okay, so you almost got through the whole thing. And then the school shut down. That's right. Yeah, and then when it's intradabbling. So what was it like being in school with Willie before we get in this text?

Well, Willie was a lot of fun, you know. He was a lot of fun, very knowledgeable about the Bible. But he would just cut up so much. I mean, I don't know how he could learn anything. But he did. You know, he learned a lot. And I'm going to tell you something about Willie. I've seen him work with, I guess, handicapped children and some programs like that.

We did some of that stuff while we were in the school. And he's so good with that population. I mean, he can work with anybody, and he's just fun to be around, and everybody loves him. And he used that in a really good way, even during the school. We were having Bible studies and converting people. Well, I know how hard it was on Jace. We talk about it all the time on the show. But Willie, I say about Willie, he put the A in.

D and ADD. So I can't imagine him sitting in the school of preaching classes for eight hours. That, to me, it seemed like they'd be tortured. There was a lot of pranking going on and mostly Willie, but then I was in with him. Yeah, every time I'm in an audience, you know, where someone's speaking and I feel like, where's this going or maybe it's getting a little long, I'll see, I'll see somebody get up and I'll look and it's usually Willie. And I'm like, that feeling I get, he moves on.

He's like, I have to get up and get out of and get away. I'll come back. But I can no longer sit here in one spot. Yeah. Just can't do it. Back when we were first doing our books, we were recording them because they do a lot better if you record the audio version of your book. But the engineer down there was telling me that Willie would have to leave every hour. Like, because you sit there all day and read your book.

And it's really hard because you've got to do it perfectly. And he said, Willie was just, he'd get it, he'd leave, he'd drive around, he'd come back, and then he'd do another hour. So anyway, pretty funny. So we're in, we're in Luke 14. We left off the end of 13, just to let you all know, Sae and Philip. So Jesus has been talking about the kingdom is the stretch they were in here.

And in the last chapter, he kind of closes it out with this. Now he's kind of making these comparisons. So there's a Sabbath day incident where he heals this woman. And the guy, the synagogue ruler who's there, you know, he doesn't care about the woman, but he does care about the rules. And so it's kind of this painting this picture that the people he's talking to, they tend to be held up over procedure or penalty rather than people. And so he's given these parables and he's talking about it.

And then the last thing we talked about was there's a narrow door or a narrow road that we see in the other context that he talks about if you don't find him, you can't find the pathway into the kingdom. And so that's where the struggle and the tension is. And then he's heading towards Jerusalem, of course, to give his life. And so when he talks about that, they kind of warn him about that, he gives a warning about Jerusalem. And I found something I wanted to read, Jays. This was interesting. This was on my little, I do a little daily devotional. And it's just excerpts from different books and authors that I like.

But this one's from Lekato. But I thought this fits so perfectly what we've been talking about about Jesus. It says, this is from Likato's book and the angels were silent. It says Jesus died on purpose. No surprise, no hesitation, no faltering. The way Jesus marched to his death leaves no doubt. he had come to earth for this moment. And this is what we've been talking about in this context.

The journey to the cross didn't begin in Jericho. It didn't begin in Galilee. It didn't begin in Nazareth. It didn't even begin in Bethlehem. The journey to the cross began long before. At the echo of the crunching of the fruit, as that was still sounding in the garden, Jesus was leaving for Calvary.

So I thought that was a really interesting little take. that was my little devotional verse for this morning. And I thought, man, that fits perfectly. We're talking about it. Before the creation of the world, this plan was hatched. But now we're actually in real time in this study watching Jesus go to the cross because he's heading toward Jerusalem, which is pretty powerful. Yeah, and it's kind of like the first nine chapters you're seeing his claims.

He's claiming to be the son of God. He's claiming to bring this kingdom of God that was prophesicized. and Daniel 2 and Daniel 7 and this eternal kingdom. But he doesn't have the pedigree with the religious people or the respect because it's not fitting their narrative. And so the next few chapters on his way to Jerusalem, it's kind of like what are the implications if Jesus is the Son of God? That's right.

And so in Luke 13, you know, he heals this woman on the Sabbath. And the religious leaders, you know, they didn't like it. You had this public embarrassment of the chief scribe getting up. And he's like, if you want to be healed, do it on the other six days. Yeah. And so you're missing the point that, you know, Jesus is claiming to be the Sabbath. I mean, not only did he write the old law, he, he's fulfilling it.

You know, we read in Hebrews 4. And then when we got to the narrow door, which was, you know, it's a difficult paragraph because most people take that to me and, well, you know, who are y'all to say, you know, it's a small way and most are not going to go. But then we kind of concluded that Jesus is the door. That's what he's claiming because of what he did. So it's interesting. Then when we get to 14, it's the same script being enacted again. and I have to admit, when I first read this chapter, and just a thought hit me that was kind of funny

because of verse 12 through 14 and verses 25 and 27, I was like, you know, if I gave a title for a sermon, something to the effects of when you have a get-together, don't invite your friends and how to hate your family. People will be like, that's what the sermons are on. Because if you just read those verses, you know, in verse 12, when he says, when you give a lunch and their dinner, don't invite your friends, your brothers, or relatives,

or rich neighbors, if you do, they may invite you back and you'll be repaid. But when you give a banquet, invite the poor, the cripple, the lame, the blind, and you will be blessed, although they cannot repay you, and this kind of goes to where we started, I guess, for Cy watching Lee Van Cliff now, you will be repaid at the resurrection of the righteous. I mean, here's a guy talking about, you know, Jesus, another claim that he knows what's going to happen at the resurrection of the righteous.

That's what makes him different from all other religious leaders. And then he gets down to that verse where he says, if anyone comes to me and doesn't hate his father, mother, his wife, children, his brothers, and sisters, yes, even his own life, he cannot be my disciple. and anyone who does not carry his cross and follow me cannot be my disciple. I mean, if you just kind of read that and skimmed through it, you're like, wait, what? What is he saying?

What are the implications? So when you look at what it means to be a disciple of Jesus, and I do think there's a perfect explanation for those two things. But you start seeing the priority he's putting on, I am the way, the truth, and the life. and anything that gets in the way of that, it's not going to end well for you. And so I think, Al, before we read where we're at, the first just few verses in one through six, you know, I read that about the when you give a luncheon or dinner,

you know, don't invite your friends or brother. You know, back in their day, their meals together was kind of the way to move up the ladder. You would host the party. It was very expensive. It was like an investment. And you're having conversations behind closed doors and you're trying to get your people and you're trying to be somebody.

You know, like today the equivalent I guess would be you got a guy, you know, you got a guy for everything. You're well connected or you catch your break or it was a real social class environment and your primary goal was to move up the social ranks and you did it through these get-togethers. And so obviously, before we read it, you know, Jesus is trying to get all human beings to see that you can't be so worried about you moving up the social class and you're neglecting being unselfish and helping other people. I mean, because he's describing what the kingdom of God is like.

And you run that all the way to the end, you realize you don't really have anything to bring to the table. And so I'll read the first. a few verses and we can talk about it. I think that's why they asked Si to be here because this is another Sabbath day moment. I was told by someone that Sa was a Sabbath expert. Expert. I said expert.

Is it because he knows how to rest? Exactly. Anybody that can sleep 18 hours, hey, he is an expert. You're an expert on the Sabbath. You need to put that in your speech now. Yeah. You're an expert on the Sabbath.

It's like that guy you said, hey, you'll what's wrong with what he's leading on me? Man I'm tired yeah he was tired let's take our last break yeah what was that saying you used to have Zay you'd have work hard

or work hard and that part yeah there you go I work hard so hey look I'm gonna rest hard and I'm gonna do a lot of it yeah that makes sense so one Sabbath when Jesus went to eat in the house of a prominent Pharisee

and I think this is the key phrase to understand He was being carefully watched. They're watching him. They're watching him because they don't like him. There in front of him was a man suffering from dropsy, which some versions say he had intense swelling. Yeah, edema is what we would call it in the modern era. So we basically have a trap here.

It's like he's being watched. This is one of these parties where people are moving up to social order. They're trying to catch. Jesus, I mean, they've already said that there's a threat to kill him, you know, in the previous verse. Jesus asked the Pharisees and experts in the law, is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath or not? But they remain silent. I mean, in my opinion, he's figured out this is a trap. Oh, yeah. And so he takes the initiative, and he puts it back on them. He sets his own trap. Yeah. And they didn't.

say anything. So taking hold of the man, he healed him and sent him away. Then he asked them, because he really didn't do anything that violated the Sabbath. He just reached over, grabbed him, and healed him. Well, what is that? There's no law against that on the Sabbath. You reach over and touch someone, but by his will, he actually healed him. So then he asked if one of you has a, mine says, donkey or an ox that falls into a well on the Sabbath day, will you not immediately pull him out? Which is, by the way, the same thing he just said in chapter 13 with the woman who had been crippled for 18 years. In 1315, the Lord answered them, you hypocrites,

doesn't each of you on the Sabbath untie his ox or donkey? from the stall and lead it out to give it water, then should not this woman, a daughter of Abraham, whom Satan has kept bound for 18 long years, be set free on the Sabbath. And then you notice their response there. They were humiliated. Well, here, he says, will you not immediately pull them out?

And they had nothing to say. So it's like trap foiled, because what do you really do? So I guess the question is, why do you think he's, you know, what was he thinking in these moments? One of the things I wanted to say was, and I may be reading too much into this, but it is interesting to me that this, the disease this guy had, this dropsy or edema, is we would call that a swelling. And it's usually now more common the feet and ankles, and it's the sign of either congestive heart failure or kidney failure or liver failure. So it's really interesting. This is a disease that really is just a symptom that you can see of something much more dangerous. Yeah.

Exactly. And so I see the spiritual implication of that because that's what these guys have. You know, they have the symptoms on the outside about the Sabbath and all this other stuff they're doing. But they've got a much more dangerous thing going on in their hearts about what's going on. So I don't even think it's an accident that this is the disease that he healed. but again I'd love to see the visual I think one reason

they were quiet too Can you imagine somebody real swole up and a human just a guy touches the man Look it just goes like a hot air balloon

And you're like Wait what What did I just see What did I just see And how am I going to argue that? What I look at here is Why does a human being Always go negative?

Yeah Because that was a positive thing That happened in this guy I think that's the point of this story because everybody's at this banquet for selfish reasons. They're trying to set a trap for somebody. Yeah, they're trying to set a trap for this new rebel leader who's leading all these people. Because then he makes this transition because you're like, well, what does that happening at the party have to do with the next part? But they have the same thing in common because he says when he noticed how the guests picked the places.

of the honor at the table, he told them this parable. So he moves on from that into this. When someone invites you to a wedding feast, do not take the place of honor for a person more distinguished than you may have been invited. If so, the host who invited both of you will come and say to you, give this man your seat, then humiliated, you will have to take the least important place.

But when you are invited, take the lowest place so that when your host comes, he will say to you, your friend, move up to a better place. Then you'll be honored in the presence of all your fellow guests. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled. And he who humbles himself will be exhausted. So then he says this, which he's going to repeat in the next parable. So when you give a luncheon or dinner, do not invite your friends, your brothers, your relatives,

or your rich neighbors. If you do, they may invite you back and you will be repaid. but when you invite the poor, the cripple, the lame, the blind, you realize then this is going to cost you. Well, who wants to lose money? Now you're being unselfish. Now you're doing something for other people. And so the trap they laid, I think, backfired

because they wanted to see if he would violate the Sabbath. But Jesus did something that was very unselfish. And just think about how the man who was healed, how he felt. I mean, he didn't even hang around. Yeah. I'll see you boys. Yeah, he went away rejoicing. Exactly.

And you know, Jason, it's the created being healed by the creator. So, I mean, you know, God formed us in the womb, so he knows what we need. And here's a case where God is healing these people that he created, you know, just think about if I had a duck call that Phil built. And I took it back to the creator because I had a problem with it and said, Phil, can you? And he's like, yeah, he go, Mac. there you go yeah i mean that's like this is the creator of the human race healing the human race yeah and it puts it gives you perspective in how we are to function and the bottom line is we should be unselfish and humble and not think more than of yourself than you are to oh yeah

because i look at you they're asking you know they're asking jesus hey why should i listen to you What are your qualifications? And he's done show them by the miracles he's performed. You know, and a lot of the people had had good common sense. Said, hey, you must be from God because you could not do, pull off what you're doing if you would. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

But I think it comes back to agenda, Zelle, you know. It's, is, are you're, is your primary goal to move up the ladder? in an earthly way and put your faith and trust in your possessions and your connections and your status and your earthly power or is there some other kingdom not of this world that is way more lasting and gives you purpose and the difference is you can't see that one unless you're humble I mean I think that's the message here no I think you're right and um It's that the one before it was more procedural for people. This was more power over people because there's definitely a power climb involved.

We're out of time on the podcast. It was great, Sa and Philip, to have you guys on. I wanted to hold you guys over, if you will, for overtime because, man, there's a lot more to unpack. And I've got a story where actually, this happened to me. I violated this passage and had to pay the penalty. So I'll tell that story. I can't wait to hear it. In our overtime segment.

So we'll see you there. A action that requires an answer. There you go. Or a consequence. I like it. We'll flesh that out. Blazatheb.com. Blazestv.com slash undershame.

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