Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 770 | Jase Is Moved by the 168 Brave Mia Moo Families & Phil Welcomes Home Wounded Soldiers

Episode Date: October 16, 2023

Jase offers a glowing report from the Mia Moo Foundation Family Weekend, where the charity he, Missy, and Mia started welcomes families with children suffering from craniofacial complications. Phil and Al recall their own moving experiences welcoming home wounded soldiers and their families, and the guys tackle the difficult subject of why bad things happen to good people. Jase gives some advice on finding joy in spite of suffering and gets emotional as he recalls Mia’s singing performance over the weekend.  — Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? Welcome back to the Unashamed podcast. We've got the gang all back together. We got Zach here today. Our movie mogul has rejoined. Zach, it's good to have you back. It's good to be back. I can breathe again. It's, uh, I feel like the, you know, the last day of school when you're about to go in the summer vacation. That's what I feel like right now. It's, you've been on, the, the movie has been quite. the whirlwind these couple of weeks. And it's really, it's, you know, we've been talking about it along, but it's really, I told you, I was like, no matter what happens going forward,

and I think more great things are going to happen, it's already been a success for making it and for the hard work you guys put into it. So, thank you. Job well done. I appreciate that. Yeah, it's been very rewarding, seeing, reading the thousands and thousands of comments that have been circulating in our team of just, man, there are some crazy stories out there. There's one, I may have said this on a previous podcast.

I can't remember, but the guy was disabled. I had a stroke, 45 years old my age. Super bitter, super angry at God. You know, just horrible to his family.

And the wife was at her wits in. She said, I was contemplating divorce. You know, I know, no, no, no,

it's not right, but I'm like, I can't live in this any longer. She said, I drug him to the movie because I knew he was a fan of Phil and Duck Dynasty. And this guy in the theater, and this is, by the way, one of thousands of stories. This guy in the theater has a complete emotional, spiritual breakdown. And she said for the first time and a long time since the stroke, that he was able to see that God can redeem him from his anger, from just the way he's been acting.

And he immediately went to his pastor and repented. And they met. And he, I don't know what all happened in that process. but started reading his Bible. And so for the last week and a half, she's like, he's been a different person, like to the point where her son was like, what's going on with dad? She's like, he's back. He's the guy that I married.

I couldn't help but think of that part in the movie when Phil got baptized. And Kay always tells this story so well of what Jace said when Phil got baptized. When he said, does that mean the devil's not my daddy anymore? And I just thought about that. Man, it says so powerful how this story of redemption is resonating with, so many people. So, yeah, it's been, it's been very rewarding. So thanks, Al, for that. Yeah, there was a, we, so we took a large group since the last time I was on and some of my friends down here in Gulf Shores and saw the film. And it was amazing because I know a lot of people

are seeing it multiple times and it's really great because you, you pick up different things. And so I was the same way. I picked up things I didn't pick up the first couple of times I've seen in. which touched me in different ways every time that I've seen it. And I was, some people recognized me that were there in the theater afterwards. And so they were like, I knew it was you. I knew there was. I said, you didn't know you could see it with her Robertson. And so she had her husband there and she said, do you remember his baptism?

His baptism. That's what she said the way she said it. And I looked at her husband because I thought she meant him because that was the way she said it. And I was like, well, not really, did I baptize? I thought she was talking about her. She said, no, your dad. When he was, I was, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That was a big pivotal moment in all of our lives.

I remember it well. And it really touched me again to be able to see that. And I don't know that we said this on the podcast, Zach. I don't think we have. But I was reminded that when I really zoomed in and watched it this time, and I saw when it was a cut-in type when the actor was being baptized, and those are dad's hands. Is that not correct, that Haxley baptized him? Which one was that? I don't know, actually. I got to go back to that. As I recall that there was

a scene where they kind of, kind of like Mel Gibson did in the... Oh, no, no. Did you not do that? No, we were going to do that. And ended up, well, so what happened, what it happened was, then the original baptism scene, the guy, which Willie, and told me that I should have had someone there who knew how to baptize people. That was a jab at me. He said, probably you didn't have a producer on set who knew how to baptize people. That's a whole not of discussion.

But anyways, they, they were standing too high in the water. And so when he baptizes Phil's character, they fall down, like literally fall down in the water. Well, the actors from England.

So he's like, man, I'm scared to be in this water, period. So I had a hard time getting me back in there for a second take. And so the second time was like a few days later, I actually baptize me. So those are actually my hands going down.

But then they were able to cut around it. And then the film, you know, like it shows them falling down. So it was kind of funny. They worked it out. But, but man,

initially it was kind of funny because they were, they just weren't, you know, getting that thick gumbo mud. It's, you can't really stand. You know, you get stuck in it.

You can't move around and you don't have your balance. And so, yeah, wasn't a nice clean baptister. That's for sure. So, so, So, Jay, what's, you've been, you've been burning up both ends of the road, right?

Man. So I left y'all last time I was with you. We filmed three or four days in Mississippi for our Duck family treasure. Well, I got sick on, like, day one. Of course, what I've learned about doing TV shows, the show goes on, you know. Yes, it does. You're just, you know, it's always felt like you're deathless. ill. It was the first time I've been sick since I had COVID. And what's so funny is, you know, the crew is like, oh, you're sick. So, so do you have COVID? Because if you have COVID, you know, production has to stop. So I, everybody's waiting. I take a test, you know, it's 15 minutes. Well, it hit me. I thought, you know, I could have, I could have leprosy, you know, any kind of the most contagious, deadly disease.

in the world the show's going on but if you got COVID it'll matter yeah we're stopping it shut the world down yeah it just seems so weird but so they're like oh you don't have COVID well great you know everybody was excited you just you just you just have Ebola yeah you don't for it sweat pouring on my head thinking I'm gonna die you know so I filmed about three days like that of course I was I could not do anything other than just show up half the time and sweat like a mule because it was hot. I just felt horrible. Had rigors at night.

So, well, then as soon as I come back, we had the Mia moo this weekend. So I think I got back, yeah, Friday. And then that night, what we do is we have the volunteers at our house on Friday night, but I couldn't even function. So I just missy cracked the door for me so I could hear their worship, which was awesome. And so then the next morning, they all left, which I didn't set my alarm. I didn't know where I was.

And my phone kept ringing. My phone kept ringing. And it was finally as my daughter. She's like, we're waiting on you, you know, out of camp. So I was like, oh, so I ran out there and we had 30 families. We had 10 new families this year that showed up, which is kind of interesting. We've helped 168 families since Mia Mu has started. And they're all invited.

It's a good record. Yeah, it is. Good deeds. We've given out close to a million dollars, you know, with just helping them through our, and it's a whole process that we do. I mean, we have a full-time employee, Mrs. Aunt, who's the liaison between all the families

and all the families, they love her, because she loves doing that. this. Everybody calls her Miss Bonnie. But, and you know, there has to be an investigation that goes on when people apply to be a part of our charity because we live in a world who try to take advantage of anything and everything. And so, uh, and you're right. They get so many bad, you hear so many bad things. You got to keep yours above board. Make sure, you know, nothing bad is happening. So you're right. You've got to stay on top of it. Well, yeah. And I mean, I would say, I mean, I don't know. how other charities work.

But I'll tell you this, you know, before any money from people that are coming to us to help kids and families, we're talking to a doctor somewhere. Well, that usually weeds out 99.9% of any kind of hypocrisy. When we're going to have a conversation

with your kid's doctor before there's any money transaction on seeing this is legit. but and I'm real proud, you know, of our record, but we had 10 new families. So, you know, if all these families ever show up, I'm not sure what we'll do. But it was, it was always, you know, it's moving. The first year families, you know, immediately they get off their bus, we bus them out there to camp.

And Camp Chioca, where we've done a lot of things. And so when they get off the bus, you know, there's a tunnel of volunteers and our family and we're all, we're clapping for them, you know. Well, the 10 new ones, they just, they all start crying. Every year the same thing happened. They don't know why they're crying. They just start crying. And it's mainly a psychological thing because the conditions that these kids have to go through, you know, their 20-year journeys of multiple surgeries. and pain and trauma and blood, and you feel alone and isolated.

And it's just when you see this, it's just overwhelming. And so it starts there. And then Mia plans a fun day for all the kids. It's pretty much fun for them, but it connects them in a world that can be very mean toward kids like these with their age group. they feel like they're a part of something that they understand each other. So, and while that's going on. Because Jay's, they're bullied a lot, right, because of their condition.

Yeah. Yeah, and I mean, it's just because they're different, you know, and they're constantly changing. And kids can be mean. But parents can be mean. I mean, it's just the way it is. And so it's a good fun day for them. And this year's theme, I have the shirt on, was shine. like Stars, which is Philippians too.

And do everything without complaining or arguing, which, you know, as Mia's idea, we just kind of run with it. And so then Missy and I have a counseling session. I say counseling. We're not counselors, but, you know, we had a legitimate counselor the first year, and we have a sharing session with the parents because it's a good time for them to, you know, Vint, share the trials. You know, this year we had multiple families who really had a tough year.

And so, but after that first year, that professional counselor, she's like, y'all don't need me. I'm not. This is so deep and traumatizing and y'all qualify. I mean, you just need to get together and share because most people don't understand what's going on here. So we just kind of go around in a circle around the campfire and share our hearts. It's a safe place. You know, we say it's a safe place and we keep it there. Yeah.

But we all wind up having tears in our eyes and loving on each other. So it's really good. So we do that while the kids are making crafts and different things. And so this year they had a talent contest. And I wasn't there because I wasn't feeling. good but missy was showing me all the videos amazing hilarious off the charts fun uh some some of the things i wish i could share i mean it's some of the funniest stuff i've ever seen in my life uh because you know you think like shine like stars but there was one family who had created a synchronized

hand waving and foot movement like I don't know what you call it like a three minute they had a curtain up you know it was all this synchronization you know but it was it was kind of a funny take on what you see in the Olympics on the synchronized swimming

and some sang songs and played the piano and there was hula hoops and there was a comedian one of the kids he got up and did a bit but it was a lot of fun And so then on Sunday, we actually do a worship service. And we just, it's a volunteer thing because we're not sure if these families that were helping, if all of them are even believers. And we're there to love these kids and help them.

And hopefully build a bridge to Jesus because we know he's the ultimate answer to, you know, peace and joy. And so we did that. we've done it for three or four years at this hotel and what's interesting the hotel manager two or three years ago you know let us do this and I think after the second session she actually gave her life to Jesus after just overhearing let we do it around the pool and so now she's all in on this venture it's very inspirational story it's kind of like the one of Zach told. And so this year was the first year that every family showed up,

the 30 families for the worship service. So Mia and her little team did the worship. Mia and Missy sang. It was way more moving than normal. I'm not sure why. When Mia and Missy get together and sing, I'm telling you, it's off the charts, the harmony. And Mia had just got her splint out the day before this happened.

when she was on the podcast, she had this morning. And, boy, I don't know. She just, you know, she could eat again. So that was, I guess, six weeks. She hadn't actually chewed any meal. It was all just dissolved or through a straw. And what she was saying like a bird, it was very moving. And then I gave a 15-minute Jesus presentation.

And that, you know, we hugged, we cried, and they went on their way. So that was the report. No, that's, that's really good, Jason. And it's, and I know a lot of people, Unashamed Nation has, you guys have given some support to Mia Moo. And so that's why we like to talk about it. And of course, Mia was on the podcast. And we'll have her back on again to give her take on it, too next time she's in town. Dad, you were in, uh, you went, you were on the road this weekend.

You, you had a rare outing. You went to North Carolina? Is that correct? North Carolina. They're still doing great work. When Billy Graham was preaching. Yep. And it was in his territory, you know.

It got a great place where they have their functions, you know, and different ones, you know. So we all met there, you know, and told people that they wanted to know about the movie. some most of them had seen it. But we just talked about that. Yeah. You know, in fact, it's funny you brought that up because when Jace was describing that receiving of the people at the Miyamu weekend, it reminded me of that time we were in Alaska up in Port Osworth.

And there's a marriage ministry that Franklin and his son, who was in the military, they do for couples who had been wounded overseas. And so they didn't really get a homecoming because they all came back through, you know, a hospital. And so they have a marriage thing for them. And they, so the whole town of Port Osworth,

which is only like 300 people, but the whole town shows up and they line the runway with American flags. And then they have a receiving line when these, the men and women are getting off the airplane and that they fly them in. And of course, we were standing in the receiving line, you and I and mom and sigh and Jeff, I think, was there. And they were getting off the plane, Jason, the same thing. Now, they didn't, none of them had ever been to something like this. So they're coming in for the first time.

And when they just, when they're getting off the plane, they're just, I mean, sobbing, you know, just because of the receiving and the town showing up. And then they look and, of course, that was back when we were doing the show. So it's like, what are the Dukkahis of people doing here? And it was, I mean, then we're all in. tears, you know, just because of the same moment. But it reminded me of that when you were talking about that. And that's, they do that every summer. They have about 140 couples, I think, through the summer up in Alaska.

And a lot of renewal, a lot of life, renew, a lot of marriages saved as well. So we love what the, the grams are doing. That's awesome. Yeah, it's a, it's a tough journey in those kids, you know, we found out later just, from dealing with Mia that they handle the physical part really well better than anybody else, even the parents. But, you know, when they get in that 10, 11, 12-year-old, the emotional part of just having so much trauma in your life and looking different and being alone so much because the recovery times for a lot of these surgeries are months.

And you're just, you're missing school, you're by yourself. it's just a tough thing to deal with right before they become a teenager. So that's why it's so emotional too, I think. It's just, and it seems to never stop. And so, you know, you look at Mia now and we're all so proud of her. But, you know, it's just a tough, tough, tough journey. And so when you throw out a theme like shine like stars and, you know, do everything without complaining or arguing, you know, which you shine like stars in a depraved generation,

because that verse kept coming up. So what I did was, and maybe Missy said I was a little too deep, because I really wanted to know what she thought about my presentation at the church, I mean at the hotel side service. Why do unfortunate things happen if God's the God of love and mercy, some would bring that up? That's what I got into. Yeah.

So I did, and I wanted to get y'all's thoughts. I think it was, I think it's a good review of Luke if we do this to where we're, what we're fixed to talk about. But, and I thought about, you know, when we had the Luke 13, I don't know if I mentioned, I had it my notes to mention it, but Luke 13 when they came to Jesus and said, well, what about these people pilot sacrificed and why did this, were they more guilty that other bad things happened to good people and Jesus like saw that and said well what about the 18 that fell that the tower fell on were they more guilty and so then all of a sudden the the Pharisees are like well

what's his point and then you remember what Jesus said he said well you need to repent or you'll perish it just seems so non-compassionate in the moment but that's kind of what I was the basis for my presentation is because, you know, Philippians too, where that says shine like stars, well, the earlier in the chapter, it talks about being unselfish and considering people better than yourselves. Then it says your attitude should be that of Christ Jesus. And one of our favorite passages, you know, Philippians 2, 5, and following them. And it shows you that Jesus humbled himself. he took the form of a human, became a servant, humbled himself, became obedient to death, even death on a cross, God exalted him. And if you view Jesus in the way he operated, he would be one that you said, well, you know, why do bad things happen to good people?

Well, put Jesus in front of them. Well, right, and I made that same point. So my point was, if you're going to shine like stars, you're going to do everything without. complaining or arguing, even when terrible things happen, that foundation is what Jesus did. Because he lived a perfect life. He should have not had anything bad happen to him. Other humans said we need to kill him. And so this idea of, you know, if I'm a pretty good person, nothing bad's going to happen to me. I mean, it's just a lie that the evil one feeds us. And so I went to that Luke six, you know, where in Luke's version of the sermon on the Mount, where he said,

blessed are you when you're hungry, when you're weak, when you're insulted, because I brought that up. Because even the one about being hungry and being insulted, that really resonates with Clef palate kids because a lot of times they're hungry. I mean, Mia just imagine going six weeks without eating a meal. I mean, you're famished. And think about how many times they've been insulted. So I kind of took that out of context a little bit, just with the people I was talking to. I was like, well, why would God be saying you're blessed, you're blessed when that happens? And then I introduced this idea that God introduced about the upside down kingdom where when you're weak, you can be strong, you know, through God's power.

when you surrender, you can achieve victory through, you know, God's power. And all these things that happened to us in life give us a humble spirit to know that there's a God and we're not him. So that was the angle that I went at. And so then about in there, I came up with two little points that Jesus is better than the world. Because then I took the opposite of those things. You know, the world says you're successful when you're got plenty of money. when you're comfortable, you're well-fed, when you're laughing and having good times. No way, ailments.

Yeah, when you're famous and people are recognizing you and bowing down in front of your prowess. And so I was like, but Jesus is better than all that. And Jesus is better than miracles. And that's when I got into, you know, why don't God just heal our children? And look, I've been on those down on my knees and praying for my kids. and pleading just saying, you know, we get it. Let's just, you know, how about let's just go ahead and fix this. And why do we have to continue this long journey and process?

So I made a point that Jesus is better in miracles. And so I went through all the things that Jesus showed that he was the son of God through miracles. And maybe y'all can list more. But he healed diseases. He cured ailments. He healed, restored people from mental. illness. He destroyed racial barriers. He drove out demons. He raised the dead. He forgave the guilty. When you look at all the things he did by miracles showing who he was, it really solved

all the world's problems in those moments. And yet, it didn't cause the world to all bow down before him. And so only would that be done through his death and burial and resurrection as far as, you know, ultimately who he was and his character. And so I made the point that despite all those miracles that he did, all those people died. They needed another miracle at some point to, I mean. And so then I went to Hebrews and I made this big deal about Jesus is better than the world. world and he's better in miracles and here's why you know when he reached out i keep bringing it up but i mean it's worthy of bringing up he picked the apostle paul who was running around having people murdered stone to death and he's the one that he chose to write most of the new testament yeah i mean

Exactly. You say without that, you know, he says, yeah, boy, if you're bad enough, he won't mess with you. No, he'll, you know, Paul said, I'm the worst. Yeah. Well, I think that's the whole point here. We're all guilty of something and we're all perishable. So if you can't find humility in that and you can't see God in everything, you know, from the creation to the circumstances that if you try to do this on your, your own, it's a sure dead end.

Yep. So I gave like six things why Jesus is better than those two things. So in chapter one, one through four, you know, remember when it said he spoke to the, in the past, he spoke through the prophets and all. But in these last days, he's spoken to us by his son, who is the exact representation of God's being. So one reason Jesus is better than anything or anybody is he is the exact representation of God.

Yep. And in the next verse, it's by, through whom he created all things, which is number two, why he's better. He created us so we can trust him. He has a plan. Number three, he, by his death, he freed us from humans who were held in slavery by their fear of death. You remember that Hebrews 2, 14 through 18. So you think about that, why he's better.

He has the ability to take away humans' fears in general, but that's specifically the fear of death. And I made a point to say, well, what about all my other fears? Well, if he can take away the fear of death, I'm sure he can handle any other fear, because that's a biggie. Well, and one thing,

the people who say it won't work or this work or God's mean and all that, but I look at a little baby, yours and your woman's, little child with the bad lip well now a little more expensive extensive than that but yeah that you could see yeah that's the only part you can see and you look up in about almost 20 years no it is 20 yeah 20 years and you look and i literally don't even notice it yeah i don't notice it in her at all. Yeah. I mean, it's

But, but But, but. It's amazing. But families with kids like that, they're, they don't, I quit noticing, you know, years ago. Because the parents really don't look at the, what everyone sees as, you get used to that so much like before her lip was even corrected.

I actually was more broken up about that being corrected than any other thing that ever happened because, you know, with me, I'd gotten so used to it and that being her, when it changed her, it actually devastated me because she didn't look the same, you know. So it's kind of a weird phenomenon that happens through this process. But you're right. But still, it's a really tough journey. All right. So the fourth one, is he, Jesus is better because he gives us rest from our own work, and that's at Hebrews 14, you know, when he says, it's kind of a take when Jesus himself said,

you who are weary and heavy burden come to me and I'll give you rest. Because look, you really learn that in this process, a process of having a kid going through this. You just can't feel any more helpless. and you wish you could fix it and you wait but you know you just you just trust god's plan it there's god's got a plan in this uh number five or see one two three four five yeah there's two more number five oh the hebrew seven 16 jesus is better because he's our high priest could not based on a regulation but based on the fact of having an indestructible life well you know if you

start adding all these things up he's the image of God he created all things he takes away our fear of death he gives us rest we don't we're we don't have to work we don't have to chase the worldly definition of success or you know however you want to define that he's indestructible and then lastly i went to hebrews 10 14 you know by his sacrifice and we know that's based on his love for us his death on a cross, he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy. That's it. Now, you just thought, you tell that. It's my favorite text in the Bible.

And look, the fact that he, you know, his death on a cross made people perfect forever. You know, he forgave us before, during, and after, forever. those who are being made holy, which I love it because it's a process that we are undergoing. And it's the same with kids that go through this 20-year process. You know, that process is teaching them perseverance and character and hope from the Romans 5. Your position becomes your safety. You're safe. Exactly.

Ultimately, Jesus and what he offers is better than anything you're going to find on the planet to help them with any issue physically, mentally, spiritually, emotionally. He's just better. And so that was my sermon. I was like, look, if you don't know Jesus, use this as an opportunity to go research, you know, when you leave. So that was kind of the angle of what I was trying to do with that, because he is just better. So I was thinking, Jay, that's excellent, which is right out of our Hebrew study, by the way, we did on the podcast. But to tie that in with what dad said at the very beginning of before you started telling us that about the apostle Paul, when you were saying all that, it immediately took me back to 2nd Corinthians 12 when Paul gives his.

own experience of having some flaw. Because that's what we're talking about, right? Some flaw that we can't do anything about. We feel helpless. You know, we're pleading. God take this away. It's too hard to deal with. And Paul had that same thing in his own life. And when he asked Jesus about it, Jesus said, my power is made perfect in your weakness, your inability to fix your own flaw, which is Jason's whole point out of the book of Hebrews. And so when I hear, Jays, you describe and even this, weekend, we've been talking so much about the kingdom and our study of Luke. And this is what the kingdom is. It's a community of people that are there to help each other because we're flawed. Without Jesus, we don't have that. Once we find Jesus and we find a community of kingdom,

then we understand what it is to have him. And so you guys are a support group. And all you can do is wherever your corner is in the kingdom. And whatever you're dealing with is doing just that, is showing Jesus to people and that how he helps us get through that. So, I mean, I think it's a beautiful thing, whatever it is. And we got a lot of people out there listening that have some different kind of ailment, weakness, flaw, but it's the same response every time. Jesus makes us perfect in him. And as long as we have people helping us get through it, we're going to make it.

We're going to make it and be stronger at the end of the day. So it's very encouraging to me. Yeah, unfortunately, I think a lot of the church is last, last, I don't know, several years, we focused primarily on just that first part of salvation, you know, our justification, the part that deals with the penalty of sin. But there is a whole other part called sanctification that is progressive. It's, it is a process, the rest of our life. And the process is about transformation.

It's that 2nd Corinthians 3 passage. You know, we're being transformed. You know, as we walk with Christ, we become. we become new, we're being made holy. I still have sin, but the life of a Christian should have a trajectory that over time, moment by moment, I'm becoming more like Jesus. You're better off at the end than you were at the beginning, for sure. Yeah, and if you're just focused on, like, if you're simply focused on what you were saved

from, which is sin and death, which is important, it's very important, and it's essential. but if that's if that's where my my salvation stops then it's it's limited it's not the full picture it's not it's not simply only about atonement it is about atonement but it's also about transformation it's also about what i'm saved to you know jesus said i think john six that he said he died for the life of the world so there's there's there's life that's being transformed and i should start to smell like jesus more and more the longer than i walk with him the more than i'm with him and so that when you look at my face when you look at it's should be a progressive, like this is what,

Jason, such a great analogy of it, of just, I should look different over the years, the more of this process that I'm going through. Now, I'm saved. You know, I'm not telling,

I'm not saying that my works and whatever I'm doing is earning me salvation. This is not some kind of legalism or anything like that. Our work and our effort is not to, not to gain favor with God, but our work and our effort is to submit to the Holy Spirit so that he can produce a fruit in us, Galatians chapter 5, the fruit of the spirit, his fruit, he produces it in us, but it is progressive.

And I think that's encouraging for anyone listening today that thinks, man, because some of the people, for example, who maybe had a response to the gospel by watching the movie The Blind or you're in church and you hear it and you move on it and you accept Christ, you know, you come to saving faith. Like that's, that's the beginning, but it will not be the end of your struggle with sin. And a lot of times I think people, they, you know, a few months fast by and like, man, I I feel like I'm right back where I was. I'm struggling with the same thing. Well, yeah, because you're young in your faith, and you keep walking. You keep dying to self.

Roman 6th, that passage on baptism. And that's about sanctification just as much as it is about baptism. It's about an ongoing process. So don't give up. Keep walking in that. And I love me a story because that process that she's been in, it's been a painful process. And so it's not, I think sometimes we say,

oh, we want the results. but we don't want the surgery. We don't want the pain. We don't want to rehab. We don't want to. And that's just not how this works because we got stuff that's got to be dealt with. And sometimes that takes a lifetime. So don't give up just because you're like struggling with the same thing you struggle with before you knew Jesus.

Keep moving. And over a span of time, you'll look back on your life if you're walking with the spirit. And you won't have that same. You'll have struggles, but you won't have that struggle. Those struggles can be healed. Yeah, I couldn't have to think about that verse. whenever Peter and John stood up for Jesus in the temple in Acts 413, and when these leaders that they were challenging saw the courage of Peter and John

and realized they were unschooled ordinary men, they were astonished, and they took note that these men had been with Jesus. And I think that's the blueprint for any of us going forward. Look, it's not us, but it's how. our willingness to say that, you know what, if we know Jesus, we know enough. And that's why when I look at this, Chase, it's amazing because you can take a kid who other kids, you know, are being kids and they look different and so they make fun of them, whatever.

And it becomes such a low point for a person or family. But then you watch that person as they embrace not only what they're dealing with, but then encourage and help other people. And then that same kid becomes a young lady like Amia's case. And what do people say? Oh, man, look, look at the courage of this person. I mean, then they're astonished because they've been with Jesus and they dealt with a flaw in him. And so it just, it turns out to be a triumph, which is incredible. Let's take our last break. Well, exactly. And, you know, some of the parents commented on, you know, Mia, because she

has had this awakening of, I need to help other people. Which goes back to the Philippians, too, which is why she chose it. If you read that, it's like, do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit. But in humility, consider others better than yourselves. Well, you know, we're getting into this upside-down kingdom thought here. And so it's actually possible to be thankful for the journey you've been on. It's it. Because you realize that God had a plan for your life, and he chose you to help other people in this area.

And so that's why I'm real proud of her for doing that. And that kind of spirit is contagious. And I have noticed in this, and I'm so appreciative of all the people that contribute to this, because I'm really proud of our charity because I don't know of many other charities that give 100% of the donations to the families that need it. And I sure will put our investigation on how we're distributing that money against anybody, you know. And so, but I feel like my point is in this area, it's the biggest name. for a community that I've ever been involved in. Because it is so rough.

You know, we get used to things that a lot of people, you know, it just make you make you sick. One of the things Missy was sharing yesterday that was, you know, it's just pretty hard to hear even though I was there. But, you know, at one stage in Mia's journey, we're having a consultation with the doctor they had just put this new apparatus in her jaw. And by doing that, we're talking about, you know,

boring holes in your bone and sticking screws in it. And he said, now look, so when you get back home, we're going to need you to turn this once a day to expand her jaw and move her top jaw toward her bottom jaw. And Missy's like, wait, I'm not a little. a nurse. I mean, that was Missy's response. She was like, I mean, you want me to take a screwdriver? And he's like, oh, you're, you are a nurse. I mean, this is, this is what must be done. This is part of the platform. Yeah. And so, you know, we, we, you get there and you say, how'd that work?

You know, we got on the couch and Mia's, you know, wide awake and we're fixed to take a screwdriver. And, well, the pain that, that happened when that happened, she, you know, she's screaming. So we got a nurse to come over, which was Paula Godwin, and she just volunteered, just to make us feel better. Of course, I lasted about, I'd say, 10 seconds. I couldn't even watch it. I mean, it was just too devastating. And so the next day, you know, you do it again. So you do it a week.

It's the worst experience, I think, as a parent. Well, then we go back over there, and he's like, nope, that's not working. We're going to have to do it another week. and you're like, you're talking about devastating when you hear that. So they do it again. So you go through that week. You go back next week and you say, nope, it's still not moving enough. So now we're going to do it another week four times a day.

And so my poor wife, because I couldn't, you know, I just couldn't, I could not handle it. You know, it was too bloody. It was too gory. It was too just, it was too intrusive. But she was, Missy was sharing that with another family, because they were a first year family, about what they were having to go through. And Missy was like, it's going to get way worse. I mean, you know, and it's really sad to tell somebody that.

And, you know, we're all crying because it's like you don't realize what's fixed to happen here. I mean, you're going to need us and you're going to need each other. And this is not going to be easy. I just thought, you know, at the end of the day, this is, God chose us to be in this situation and you need to be thankful for it. But again, Jay, says, back to the power of witness in a kingdom, which is why he continued to tell him, you witness and then you tell other people. So because you personally had that witness experience, then you're able to help somebody else.

And what you guys are bringing to that circle, Jay's, is looking. at 20 years and for first year people, they've got hope. They've got hope that it's going to get better, that you're going to be able to get through this. You're going to be able to get past this. I mean, that's what really Christianity is about hope, you know, and exactly what you guys are doing. It's just a, it's a microcosm of everything we've been talking about with kingdom and with Jesus

and with salvation. Well, the reason I did, the lesson I did is because I'm trying to keep what we talked about private but there was a there was a thought brought up from from from a first year parent that was like they they had just realized that all these kids are different that this is not one condition that every kid had every kid is a little different so there's you can imagine especially in the medical world when you have a situation where there's not one way to do this so you You get all this advice and information, you have to just go through all that process.

And it just made me think that's why what we have in Jesus, I really just feel compelled to share with them because no matter what you're told, no matter how many insults that happen or... The word, is I am obligated both to Greeks and non-Greeks, both to the wise and the food. foolish. That's why I'm so eager to preach the gospel. Also, to you here at Prome. Well, right. My point is, no matter what advice... It's deeper than a decision. You view it as I'm obligated to help this child and help others who are

suffering the same malady. Yeah. Well, I'm like, what Jesus has to offer, though, considering the whole spectrum of spiritual, physical, mental. That's what he's talking about right here. It's better than anything you're going to find on the planet. That's right. And so just give this a shot. Because if you really go to this in sincerity, and I mean go to this, Jesus himself,

you're going to find peace that transcends your understanding. You know, it's like you're going to. you're going to find joy despite all this pain and suffering. The parents are watching the medical section of it, volunteer section you, your wife, your people you're working with. They're looking at it. They're looking for some hope and something that's... Oh, and you're right, Finn.

You brought up these volunteers. Those volunteers that go do this and help these kids yesterday. I mean, look, they won't be hard to find in heaven because I'm pretty sure they'll be up at the front row somewhere. Yeah. Because it is a... I love how Phil said that. It's more than a decision.

I think we reduce it to that sometimes. That's right. Somebody told me this this week. I'm working on another podcast that we're going to be doing some... I'm going to be doing at some point. And one of the things in there is really exploring kind of Paul's... How Paul presented the gospel. And the guy I was meeting with.

He said, you know, he gave me this. I thought this was so good. I'm going to read it to you real quick, but Paul was preaching this, that through Christ, we have a participation with him. We have a new name. And think about this in the context of what you said, Mia, where Mia is at now in her journey with this metaphor that you used. Participation leads to union, unification, which leads to identification.

You have a new name, which leads to imitation, which leads to formation. And then lastly, the response to formation is representation. we then take that out. And it's not just a decision. It's this is what happens when you experience the goodness of God. It's an obligation on your part. It's an obligation which is deep. Well, right. And it's a natural response. It's a supernatural response. I mean, it's what you do when you are that grateful and thankful for what has happened in your own life. It's time for overtime, but I was just going to say leading into overtime to get to where we're at in Luke 15. When you ask me why am I with these types of people gathered around a table eating on a

weekend? It's because they truly are the stars of the universe. And you're going into a group, not many want to tread. Exactly. So we can talk about that. Yeah, let's talk about that. And over time, if you want to follow us over at blaishtiv.com slash unashamed. where you find our overtime segment, so we'll flesh this out a little bit more and start moving back to Luke. Thanks for listening to The Unashamed podcast. Help us out by rating us on iTunes. And don't miss an episode by subscribing on YouTube and be sure to click that little bell to get notified about new episodes. And for even more content that you won't get anywhere else, subscribe to Blaze TV at blazed.com slash unashamed.