Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 775 | Jase Gets Trapped in the Twilight Zone at His Hotel & Uncle Si Loses Classified Docs

Episode Date: October 25, 2023

Jase’s participation in the Mighty Oaks Gala has him buzzing with appreciation for America’s military veterans, though the “after-party” didn’t quite go as planned! Uncle Si apparently hid some classified information so well that even he couldn’t find it again, and Phil reckons the government wants nothing to do with Jesus. The guys discuss the plan for eternity and why it’s so hard for mankind to wrap their heads around eternity and heaven. In this episode: Luke 16, verses 19-31 — Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? Welcome back to the Unashamed podcast. I'm still in the Southern Lair. Chase and Dad are in studio. Zach is M.I.A. Once again, he's somewhere across the Fruited Plains, probably working on the movie or some other project for the future. You know, we've had some much success, which thank you, Unashamed Nation. You guys. have made it happen with the movie. It's just, I think now probably there's more people talking about what do we do next, which is great. And so we're very blessed and just want to say again, thank you for all you guys,

not only going, but also talking about it, going to Rotten Tomatoes and doing the reviews. All that stuff has worked. And it's been a God thing. And Dad, I've heard some amazing stories about a lot of life change already. And most people that see it across the country, friends of mine or people I have relationship with said, be sure and tell your mom and dad, thanks for telling their story because I know that couldn't have been easy. So people respect you and mom even more, dad, after, you know, you guys allowed,

not necessarily the best part of your life to be put on a movie screen, but it's having a huge impact, which is a blessing. Yeah, it really is. I went this past weekend to the Mighty Oaks fundraiser. It was a gala. It was kind of a swanky thing, which Missy, I guess, had looked up pictures from past Mighty Oaks events. I think this was the 13th annual. It's our friend Chad Robes Show, which we've talked about before.

Yep, and he was on our podcast. And I asked about being on again. I think it went real well. And so I told him maybe when our duck season cranks up, he could come over and we'll. Yeah, I'd love to get his son is going to be with. His son's a pretty amazing guy too. All these guys. Maybe we can both.

You know, it was something that was just a sacrifice that I wanted to do because they wanted to hire me and pay me for this beach. And I was like, no charge. And because I love our military. And, you know, we have an epidemic in our. in our country when it comes to our military you know the stats are hard to come by and chad talked about that in his speech but on average there's about 20 of our veterans a day who commits us suicide and that is a quite the number and uh so their program really helps with this PTSD And I just was amazed, number one, of being there.

We did an hour meeting, greet, which I say it was an hour. It was probably more like 90 minutes. And it was sold out. But I was amazed how many people came up there talking about that movie, Phil. So that was good. A lot of, you know, tears in their eyes. And most of these people were, you know, military, first responders or veterans. or they were there, you know, with money because it was a fundraiser and they had a live auction.

Kind of reminded me of the Tebow event where you have speakers and, I mean, I was like speaker number four. I mean, they were calling me the keynote speaker, but I felt a little inadequate, I guess, to be there just because I had any kind of military experience. But I did tell some side jokes. And, you know, Sa was in the military for 24 and a half years, which I put on there. There was evidence of God that he survived. And he was the only one in Vietnam with the Tupper Cup,

which was true. That's true. And I told a couple of stories about him, where he, Cy always tells that story. I don't think I've ever told it on the Unashamed, but he always tells that story where, he lost some highly classified documents.

And, of course, the first question you ask is, why did someone think it was a good idea for Sae to take care of classified documents? And Sae tells that story where he lost them. So then he gets, you know, they call him in. And they're like talking about demoting him for losing these documents. And he's like, hey, I hit him. them so well that I can't find them. You should be promoting me. Just think how good I, they're hidden. I can't find them and I was in charge of it. And in size mine,

that was a perfectly reasonable argument, which led them to, for a year, they made him go into an office and not do anything because he had screwed up. Their logic was, you screw that up. So you're going to go in there. It's quite the story. And I'm not sure how much of it is true. Because you know how Saia is. He says 95% of it is true, but I don't know about the numbers. Well, then I told this story about he was also the only man in Vietnam because then they moved

and he was in charge of cargo. And just imagine that. Saia is telling who to ship what, where. And so he was the only man who had a tire off of a deuce and a half stolen while he was driving it. Yes, he told that story on the last podcast. He was on. Oh, my goodness. But they laughed.

He said he never got below 10 miles an hour. They took that tire off his truck. Yeah. So it was funny. But I told him about Al, you know, a couple of things that probably people don't know about me is that when I, graduated high school, I was left with a decision on what I was going to do because back then Duck Commander had no employees. That came later. I think I was the first paid employee after this step, but I was down to two options. I was either going to go to Bible school

with you or I was going to go be a Marine. And I thought I was going to be a Marine. I mean, I had just made up my mind. I mean, let's go. But, you know, I fell in love. I fell in love. with Missy and that was the main reason that I chose the Bible school because I just you know I I just having this idea getting married settled settling down so that was the catalyst so Missy went with me on the on the trip so I think she liked that part but what I realized now fast forward here I am standing in front of you know all these these veterans and first responders and I kind of made an illustration of, you know, the weapons we fight with as disciples of Jesus. And I quoted that, you know, that verse are not the weapons of the world.

And here we have a problem. And really what I saw as the problem, and it tied it in with your movie field because there's a line in the movie that I think is the most profound. Is when Bill Smith, the pastor, told you, you know, you got a, you got to, you got to, to die, feel. And when you look at trauma and tragedy, and even from those of you who listened to all our podcasts, you remember in this Luke 13 where this situation came up where Pilot had sacrificed a bunch of worshippers, and they had this argument to Jesus. Well, you know, were they more guilty than other human beings?

Because why would God, you're claiming to be the son of God? Why would God let that happen? And then Jesus brings up another tragic and trauma-filled story of a tower falling on 18 people and killing them. And he asks them the same question, were they more guilty? And you remember Jesus' response, which was, well, I'll tell you this. He doesn't really answer the question. Why does injustice happen? Why does, you know, pointless suffering occur in our world?

But he says, you need to repent or you'll perish. And we talked about that underlying theme of where, you're. perishable, every sense God's creation, which was perfect. There was no death or, you know, or sin or evil. Everything, God created this perfect, and it went wrong when evil, the evil one was there and the temptation came and then people chose. They sinned. And then they were, you know, not only separated from the father, but they turned on each other. Remember they were blame Adam and Eve, were blaming each other. And then these curses happen. And then there's a little subtle verse that I quoted in my speech where they were separated from that tree of life and they could

no longer live forever. And so they were actually kind of separated from creation itself. And we became perishable. And unfortunately, when you live in an evil world and you don't have access to this tree of life, suffering and trauma and tragedy is going to happen. And one of their sayings is trauma is life. So it's not just, you know, our military. I mean, I've even seen it with, you know, my own daughter. We talked to her because of all the personal trauma, she endured with all the surgeries.

And people have stories and accidents happen, and we do live in an evil world. But I brought up that line in the movie, Phil, because I think people think, especially when they're dealing with trauma, they're looking for a way out. And it's a lie that they're told, and they talked about it in the various speeches.

And even Chad Robes show himself, you know, before he came to Jesus, he attempted suicide. Because he's like, well, I'm doing my family a favor. But that concept is really Jesus, when you look at what he did by him taking the abuse, the suffering for our injustices and our sins and the injustice that happened to Jesus. He actually took care of these problems and gave us a platform through his death on a cross and the resurrection

that we could start over. We could die spiritually. And I brought up Luke 15 that we studied, which is you remember when the son came back from the pig pan, when it got to the end and the older brother couldn't celebrate, the father said, we had to celebrate because your brother was dead. Yeah. And he's now alive. And so I said, look, the concept they're thinking that we all kind of have that concept

of we've screwed up or we've had terrible things done to us and we just don't want to live life. And that's where Jesus, what he offers is so appealing. So I said all that to say this. The things I was shocked about, about their program and their charity, it was way more Jesus-centered than I imagined. Way more. Because they realized, even Chad has realized. He's the only hope they have. It's the greatest message to people that have been through trauma who can defer the injustices that have happened that they've seen to when Jesus comes back,

God will make everything right. There is life available and eternity is available. And God has a special plan and purpose for all of us despite what we've gone through or what's been done to us. So that was kind of the platform. And, you know, if you can't get behind that, what can you get behind? I mean. That's all there is. Yeah.

So they had a testimony, a guy who had recently come to Jesus, you know, a veteran and it was incredibly powerful and uh they had what they do is they'll have several what they call camps or you know they'll they'll invite these veterans to these ranches you know and spend a week of talking to them about their trauma and all that but they're introduced in jesus and they're not only saving soldiers lives and in battling this PTSD but they're also giving them the best hope that they could ever have. And even Chad said, look, you know, the government has really not embraced what they do, but he's like, why not give it as an option or give people the ability to choose a faith-based

treatment for this program along with the other programs that are? So I'm proud to have supported that. I was proud to be there. I had a lot of friends there, and it was a spectacular event. And if you're ever looking for something to support, it's fantastic. Now, Jess, I was thinking that when you were describing that because the conversation I had with Chad, somebody had sent me, maybe he sent me, somebody had sent me a, where he was testifying before Congress about veteran or before the Veterans Affairs

group, just trying to get them on board because their numbers are so great and their success rate at helping guys, one, not commit suicide, but two, you know, really get their life right. And we understand that from a spiritual perspective. But you, like you said, the sad thing to me is that our government, which should at least give us options. I mean, you know, they take this idea of separation of church and state too far because, like, they, the Mighty Oaks is a fantastic track record of helping people. And so why would you not want that to be successful? And it's just The only thing I can figure is there's just the evil ones got too much control in a lot of our government, which is really sad because you're talking about vets. You know, you're talking about guys who laid it on the line for our country.

We should be offering them the best opportunities. And look, they can decide whether they want to go to a faith-based situation or not. I have talked to several podcast listeners that are part of these. I think they call them outposts, which are different groups around the country, there are support groups that are connected to. to Mighty Oaks. So if somebody's out there listening and maybe going through some marriage stuff or maybe it's suicidal thoughts, maybe it's whatever in your vet, be sure and reach out because there's help. And it's not only in what the main organization is doing, but they've got people all around the country because you sent me notes and said, hey, I listen to the podcast, but I'm also an outpost leader who were helping vets on a regular basis. And most of them are vets themselves.

So again, Jay's is right. And Jay's, I thank you for doing that, for going. and speaking because there's not a better honor than to help veterans who have basically provided us with everything we have in our freedom. Oh, yeah. And I mean, look, I was humbled and amazed. And look, these people, you know, what really came out is, is yes, Jesus was talked about more than I could have ever imagined. And a love for people. You know, these guys, a lot of them are retired, and they've been on so many trips.

around our world, whether it's, you know, getting innocent women who have been sold into sexual slavery and human trafficking to... Afghan, all those Afghan interpreters and people that helped them. And I met Aziz. And, you know, they're going to do a movie about it and his interpreter. Because, you know, these people, once we left Afghanistan, you think, well, what happens to these people who decided with? America who were interpreters and all that, well, they kill them. Yeah. And so, but these guys, they love people and they've been on these very dangerous missions

where they got people out. And I'm just appreciative. These guys who represent us and represent freedom and put their lives on the line, even when they pay their own dime to help people across the world, it is just absolutely incredible. It's heartwarming. So, yeah, yeah, I had a few years ago, I had a similar experience as you is that when I was able to go to Paris Island and speak to a group of Navy chaplains. And their primary spiritual job is with young Marines.

And so, you know, I was there on the base where, you know, there's only two. There's one in San Diego and the one there in South Carolina where they're training these young guys. And what I didn't realize until I went on to that base and saw those young recruits is a lot. of the folks that go in come from terrible situations, terrible home lives. A lot of them are homeless themselves as teenagers and, you know, young men, young 20s. And so they come in the military as a way to try to just have salvation from terrible lives. And of course, then that puts so much pressure on a make or break situation. So anybody that's feeding spiritual nourishment into the lives of our, you know, fighting men and women, I'm on board with. And so

it was life-changing for me just to be in that setting too, Jays, just to watch it and see how much God is needed amongst, you know, those young men and young women. Yeah, it was a fantastic event. The funniest thing that happened was, you know, one of my good buddies, who's been on the podcast a couple times, Adam LaRoshe, he flew down from Kansas, bought a ticket to be a part of it. And, you know, he's got grandkids now, or a grandkid. And so his wife was coming from Alabama because she was seeing their new grandbaby.

So we met them and I hadn't seen them in so long. It was awesome. So we had a plan after the event we were going to get together and, you know, kind of a double date. I wasn't sure what we were going to do, but the event was long. So it wasn't as long as it took me just to get out of there, you know, because it was sold. that was a lot of people. And it wasn't like a normal event. I just basically was there.

So usually after I speak, I'm gone. But, you know, I was just in the crowd. Well, I looked around and I was like, oh, my goodness. So it took a while to get out. So we had this plan. And so it's like 10.05. I send it because of the event, I got out of about 10 o'clock. So it was real confusing on where we were staying.

And we were staying at this real kind of swanky place on a golf course. And there were multiple resort buildings. But it's like I was staying in room three something, but it was on the fourth floor. And so, and the reason I'm bringing this up is because it was chaos. Because one time Missy and I were kind of walking around trying to find our room. because most of the time if you're at a hotel and your number starts with three, you go to the third floor. That was an African-American gentleman walking down the hall.

And we were kind of looking bewildering. He was like, I have a key that says five, whatever, what, 524. And he said, there's no level five, you know, but he was just ranting. And I was like, well, tell me about it. we're on three and we're staying on level four but there's no five and he's like what is going on here and he was just hollering down the hall so i was like babe you feel better and she's like yeah i'm starting to because we were confused as well so adam loros sent me a text and says we're on level five but there is no level five and i said well we're on level three i mean we're on level three i mean we're on

level four, but we're actually have, here's our number, you know. And so I thought I had explained it well enough to work, because he was going to come to our room, because they put me in a sweep, which was very, very nice. And so it's 10.05, we're texting, okay, we'll meet up. Well, it got to be 11 o'clock, and I'm like, where's Adam? You know, Missy, she's starting to yawn over there. so I sent him a text back. Look, do you need directions?

You know, maybe we'll come to y'all. Well, when it got midnight, I was like, there's no text, there's nothing. I thought, well, I would have liked to have seen them, but I guess this, I mean, I got to go, we had to get up at 6 o'clock and come back home, you know, in the morning. So we went to bed, and so I just thought, well, it would have been nice to see them. and why wouldn't he text me back? I mean, I just can't figure it out. So we're on the way home

and about 9 o'clock in the morning I get a text. And it's from Adam and he says, I was in a tough spot. That was the first text. I was in a tough spot. And you know how these people, they text one sentence at a time.

So the next text was, so my good buddy's in town. I fly from Kansas to see and I realized in that text that I was the good buddy. He said, but on the other hand, I was in a hotel room alone with my wife who had also not seen for a very long time. I think I know where this is going.

So that text was set. And I'm like, what is you? Yo, I see the contrast here. And the last text was, sorry, buddy, she won out. So then I laughed for five minutes and said, That's funny. Good call, but I think between the bewilderment of not finding the room

and not seeing his wife in a long time, he said, you know what, I'll see you in heaven. There you go. I think he made the right call. Let's take another break. But I did want to bring Adam up because, you know, he supports our military, And he's gone on some of these missions that were off the grid, trying to protect the innocent and getting oppressed people out from around the world. And, you know, what a guy.

He's a baseball player who looks up, you know, and he's in a fight just to try to protect people that are. But you know what I love about, Adam, is when you talk to him now, and, you know, he played, I don't know how long his career was the Major League, but it was long. He's a successful player. I mean, really good. Yeah, I think it was over 10 years. I think so.

And so, but he doesn't talk about any of that. I mean, that's not what's important. What's important to him is what he's doing. He loves to hunt, obviously, and fish, but he loves to help people. And so all he can talk to me about is places they've been, what they've been doing. And, you know, I just love it because it's like here's a guy who was obviously gifted with an ability to pay major league baseball, which so many people who love baseball would have loved to get the opportunity that don't. And yet all, instead of talking about that glory, he only talks about what he's doing to help people, which shows you a lot about his heart.

Well, the backstory of why he was also there was one of his former teammates from the nationals who won a World Series, Anthony Rendon, he was there. And he got up and spoke. Yeah. And signed a jersey and they auctioned it and all. And he didn't, look, he didn't talk but for two minutes. and he basically said, I appreciate our military and I love Jesus. And that's why I'm here. And so when I got up, did my speech, I said, well, Adam, I got a new favorite baseball player.

Sorry, you're retired. So I guess we're back on the free market. But I really appreciate him using his platform. And I was speaking of Anthony Rendon to do that. It meant a lot to me. And it meant a lot, I thought, from Adam's perspective, not only did he want to support this, but he appreciated his old buddy coming out there in support of this.

So it was really good. Well, I'm so glad you told me that story because years ago, Anthony Rendon broke my heart when he hit a big home run for the nationals that beat the Dodgers when you knocked him out of the playoffs. And so I've never liked him, and now I love him. Well, it just showed you you needed to repent. I need to repent. Today I'm repenting, Anthony Rendon.

You are now one of my face. It's like Tim Tebow. All those years, I didn't like him. Now I had to repent because he's. I was the same way. He's such a good guy. All right. So we're in Luke 16.

We read the story on the last podcast about the rich man and Lazarus. And we talked about it. Basically, all of us agree that it's a story, whether it's real people or not. I think it sounds like, Jay, you kind of agree with me that it may still be a parable, but there's a reason why he used the names. Some people have said that's one of the reasons why it had to be

a real story, but you had a compelling argument about using the name of Lazarus, meaning the names written in the book of life, which I had never thought about before. I thought it was really good. As well as Abraham being mentioned, who's another name we know that's written in the book of life from the

book of Hebrews. Yeah, who was also a rich guy from a, you know, from a material possession. which debunks this, I think, crazy idea that somehow another, this is a story just about your economic status in life. I mean, there are people who teach that. They're like, you know, if you're rich, I mean, there's multiple times Jesus says it's very hard for a rich person to make it to heaven.

You remember the old camel through the eye of a needle? It'd be easier for that to happen than a rich man to go to heaven. So it is profound. And Jesus is making that point. It is hard for you to see a need for God if you're so swept up into what you have and think that by your power, status, and money, that somehow and other that's going to translate to you in the next life being able to buy heaven or purchase a place of honor at the kingdom banquet, you know, when we're all resurrected, because you have a bunch

of money. I mean, he's basically given a picture here of that's stupid. That's not going to work. And I think that's the principle he's trying to zero in on in the context of Luke saying that you're putting your trust in money, which in this case, it was the Pharisees of all people who were putting that status in their love for money ahead of recognizing Jesus as the Son of God and the New Kingdom. But, Jay, you described it beautifully by describing the situation you were at this weekend. There were a lot of people that have a lot of money there. But that was a kingdom feast gathering. I mean, that was a gathering to help people who need, you know, the love of Christ.

And so those people that were buying all those things that were being auctioned off, they were using the wealth and possessions that God gave them for a greater cause. So it's all about the heart. It was an actual living illustration of the first part of Luke 16. That's right. Using worldly friends. I mean, look, I'm not sure everyone there was a believer, but the believers were trying to help our veterans, and they were trying to use worldly people and their money to accomplish that.

So they, you know, they had a big gala. They had a lot of things. They wanted, everyone was invited and people with money were there. I mean, right off the bat when they started the auction, they had an auction where they bait, it was, you didn't get anything. They just said it takes $3,500, I think, to sponsor one soldier in their program. Well, the first thing that they gave away or people agreed to do was there were a few, people who raised their hand when they said who would like to sponsor 10 of our soldiers.

And hands went up. I mean, do the math. That's $35,000. Now, I don't know where they came from or what they did, but if they're dropping 35 grand at a time, they're doing something with a lot of money. But that's using your earthly money for things that are going to have eternal consequences in a positive. Luke 16, the final word was, he said to him, he was talking about Abraham and the ones before him, if they don't listen to Moses and the prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead. He's making a point there. That ought to do it for him.

You know what I'm saying? Well, and he's also dad projecting that someone is going to rise from the dead. It's going to be him. That's my point. And they still didn't listen. I mean, think about what the apostles faced after Jesus left. I mean, still this unbelief. Dad, you brought up something really interesting in the overtime segment of the last podcast about Zacchaeus in Luke 19, which I think was a great picture of when you get an opportunity in this life to do the right thing.

And this was a guy who had robbed people, who was a tax collector. And yet when he encountered Jesus and his heart was. open, he was like, I'll give away half of everything and I'll pay back four times. I'm all in. And all of a sudden, the position. And if you, if you compare that to Luke 18, the rich young ruler, you remember there was a man also of great wealth. But when Jesus challenged him to not love his wealth more than him, he walked away sad because he was a man of great wealth. And so you see the picture there clearly of what this parable is talking about. If you're in this life, you've got a clear choice because all of us are going to run up against at some point when kingdom principles

clash with worldly possessions or wealth or what we love and the question is what are you going to do when you face that those two men had two different responses one had a heart of faith and one walked away sat exactly i wanted to bring up this point about when he he brought up this this implication of there's this great chasm where those cannot cross over from here to there because we've spent two podcasts talking about really what the aim was, I think,

and the context of it. Yeah. But there are implications. It's okay to draw implications and the finality of heaven and hell. I mean, you know, we came up with a statement on our earth that, you know, you only live once, you know, Yolo.

And I read Revelation 20 in the overtime of the last podcast because, you know, there's also this, well, you only die once. And, but, you know, he seems to imply there's a second death, which is what you don't want to be a part of. You know, that's Revelation 21-8 because the people in that camp are in the rich man's camp here. And so I wanted to bring this up because when you think about what Jesus is depicting the picture, this is the very best versus the very worst. You know, he's in agony.

And this beggar who never had anything, and you see these little subtle comparisons, you know, like one where the rich man is like, which is an irrational statement, you know, sin Lazarus, and just give a drop of water on my tongue. Well, he had already talked about dog's tongues licking the sores of the beggar when he was trying to get crumbs off the table. I mean, what a contrast that is. And now all of a sudden,

you're realizing this picture of he's in such agony that he just wants a drop of water on his tongue. and at the same time he never noticed that here's this beggar in such bad condition and you never once contemplated a thought of trying to help this guy. You had zero compassion for this person. You had zero concern about your family. And now all of a sudden you're wanting to have a miracle. You're a believer in miracles and say, well, go back and tell my brothers, don't come here.

And so that's really where that came from. But so you also have this picture of this finality of there's no going, it's over. And the reason I'm bringing this up is because a lot of people get to the book of Revelation, and I tried to make that analogy in our overtime last time. And people's interpretation of that is we're like, oh, we're going to have a reboot and a restart. because some of the pictures depicted in revelation are these wars in heaven. So a lot of people think when Jesus comes back, well, it's like a reset. Then we're going to have a war.

And I don't believe that. I mean, I believe anytime you have a doctrine where it's Jesus plus something, you know, Jesus plus we got to win a war somewhere in the afterlife. for you know i'm always uh going to avoid that because i yeah because i think jesus is the focus it was god's plan and what he did is enough not only for you on earth but for eternity and i want to illustrate that with that when he said you can't cross over from here to there watch what the language he uses in john five and i wanted just to get y'all's opinion of this I had written that down in my margin.

I was going there next. Well, it uses the same. You know, when you hear crossover, I hate to say this, but what's the first thing you think of? You think, oh, that's the greatest move in basketball. He's got a killer crossover. You can't stop it. And it's a crossover drivel.

And any time you see it, it is kind of funny to watch because the person trying to defend it, it looks like his ankles break, you know, and he just goes around them, you know. And it's actually just a modern day way to carry the basketball. It's an illegal move if you go by the rules of basketball. They're like, oh, he's got a killer crossover. Well, yeah, there's a reason that's against the rules in basketball because you can't stop it.

But in John 5, when Jesus made this claim that he was the bread of life, that didn't go over well. And he makes this statement where, where is it? Verse 28. Yeah, he says that in 28, but there's one part where he says, in 17, where he said, my father is always at his work to this very day, and I'm working, but he says, don't work for food that spools, but is for eternal life.

Oh, yeah. Where is that at? That may be a little bit. It's in John 5 somewhere. And so then he gets to his point. and says in verse 24, I tell you the truth, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be condemned,

he has crossed over from death to life. And what's interesting about that is you can have this crossover on earth, which is, you can cross over, to go back to my illustration I use with the son. soldiers. You can be dead in your sins and in the consequences of living on an earth where you have no access to something that can keep you alive forever. We're perishable. But you can actually cross over and God can make you alive. And then he says, I'll tell you the truth. The time is coming. This is verse 25. And it's now come when the dead will hear the voice of the son of God.

and those who here will live. So then he makes this big jump and not only can you be alive on earth, you can go from death to alive and be and not experience physical death. Not only that, when you do physically die, you will come back from the dead. So it's like almost a double whammy.

Jay said that was John 627 was the verse you were looking for. So it's a little bit after that. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And then they started grumbling, you know, after that. When Jesus said in 43, stop grumbling among yourselves, you know, the fact that he is the bread of life. And, you know, I just thought that's an amazing verse,

because he goes on to say in John 5, don't be amazed at this in verse 28. For time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice and come out, those who have done good will rise to live. and those who have done evil will rise to be condemned. By myself, I can do nothing. I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just. And so it's a same picture there, even coming from a statement that he's doing the father's work

and he is the bread of life. And what's amazing is after hearing that, the response was grumbling. It's like, what? And even here in the context of the Pharisees, they're not wrapping their head around this, but I think as a human being, we've all got sins and we're all going to die. And if you've got a guy on earth and now in the form of a Bible

who was able to do all this and are making these sorts of claims, and if you don't have a better idea or plan, that's when you need to stop. and say, wait a minute, if this is true, don't wait till you're like the rich man and all of a sudden say, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. And I really think there's an underlying point here of being open-minded and really thinking about where you're placing worth and value and security.

Yeah. It's just really hard for people, especially who love money, to stop their life and say, what is the plan? You know, I always do this illustration of my speeches about what is your definition of success. And if you take God out of it, well, what is it? It's basically to make, to somehow another, stay healthy,

even though your famous line, which is one of the greatest lines you've ever come up with, you know, if you eat right and work out, you'll die healthy, which I use that line all the time. because it shocks people because they, in their mind, they've convinced themselves, no, I'm fine, I'm fine, I'm fine. No, you're not fine. No, you're not fine. No matter what you eat, no matter what team of doctors you have, you're not fine. You may die healthy or you may die from an accident, but it's, it's coming. And so all these arguments that we come up with to fool ourselves when you run it out, it's to stay healthy, it's to make a lot of money. and then it's to retire and then leave your kids what you have. Well, if you just really think about that plan,

Jesus' plan is way better. No doubt. It's just way better. He's like, no, use all that stuff for eternal reasons. Surrender to me, even if you have to be persecuted because of me, even if tragedy happens to you on this earth. And trust me, that same spirit, that raise me from the dead will raise you from the day.

You cross over here and now, and I'll give you my spirit, and then you'll have eternity with me and those you love. And then, guess what? There will be no crossover then. That's what I really love. You know, once I'm there in heaven for, let's say, 10,000 years, I don't want something to happen where all of a sudden there's some kind of reboot here. You know, oh, hang on, wait a minute.

we're not done yet. I like the idea because it seems so terrifying to people, but it's actually a positive thing. Once you're in heaven forever, there's no crossing over. Oh. Well, as terrorizing as that is to those who are not on the right side of this, that's incredibly comforting to me. I'm with you.

And I think that's why, again, this is a parable story, because even the fact that in the story, the rich man can see Lazarus with Abraham, I don't think that's literal because I don't think we'll see that. I mean, you know, and I'm just guessing. I don't know. But I think that's where we get into the stuff about he's painting a picture. You mentioned it, Jason.

This is a beautiful illustration. He's painting a picture here for us. There are elements here that are certainly going to be true. And like you said, there's no, there's no being able to live. lose what you gain, but it's all about getting to that point. It reminded me of the parable that we talked about earlier about the rich man without member of the bigger barns. He kept building the bigger barns, and man, this is so great. And I'm going to build all this wealth up and I'm going to enjoy it. And then Jesus said, little did he know that that night his life

would be lost. And I was talking to a pastor this past weekend, and he told me about a story literally of a guy he knew had a lot of money, had built up to retirement, it kept extending it to make sure he had plenty, retired on Thursday, died on Friday. He said he had 24 hours to enjoy all that that he had built up. And he said that literally was that story. And I was like, man, that's amazing because, you know, I've never met anybody. That's pretty well the root of the matter. Well, I think there's a picture here.

I couldn't agree more. And, you know, look, I've debated with different scholars about this passage because I always go to that. I said, I think it's a picture like Revelation. The problem we get in religion and scholarly that, you know, most of the Bible is not some kind of picture. You can read the verses and it is what it is and it says what it says. But when you get to moments like this, it is a picture. And I think it has to be a picture just like Revelation because we're incapable as humans. of grasping the greatness and glory of an eternity with God.

Yeah. If it was something that you, a concept you could fit into your brain, it wouldn't be that great. So he gives you a picture. But what we do as Bible studiers is we'll take this picture. And let's just say you have a picture that's got a lot going on. It's a hill and there's flowers and there's a wagon. and there's people and there's animals off in the distance. Well, then we focus in on maybe one piece of the wagon wheel and say,

now tell me exactly what that represents. And you miss the whole big picture that he's getting to say. There's a reason why that famous analysis of Revelation took hold where the guy who was a very smart man. But he said, Revelation, I can't explain it to you in less than a minute, you know. There's two sides. God side wins. Pick a side. Don't be stupid.

And people thought that was so profound, but there is a picture of that. And just like here, there's two sides to this. There's two roads. One's narrow. We've used that illustration. And the door is Jesus. Don't be on the wrong side of this. Which is why we don't talk about hell.

much. And I think we should talk about it more because Jesus talked about it. And I do think that should get your attention if you haven't put your faith and trust in Jesus. It is a factor, especially early on in your faith. And the main thing is, like you said, talking about the reality of it. Because when we talk about the functionality of it, we don't know. And we won't know until we get there. People say, well, what am I going to do for eternity all this time? Like they're planning a vacation and they don't want to be bored. And I'm like, I'm not sure what you're going to be doing, but trust me, who you're going to be with, it's going to be way more awesome than anything you could ever imagine while you're on Earth. So don't worry about the way.

The most important thing I think Jesus did, and before we go to overtime, we can talk about this, is here, not only is it supernatural, but this is the only religion in the world, what Jesus represents, where it's also ordinary, because he did come back from the dead, which is spectacular and it's supernatural. But he also had a fish fry on a riverbank after that. It's the only religion in the world who we get to live again. We get to be us in an ordinary way doing something ordinary, eating fish on a riverbank. But it's also something that we relate to and we value and we treasure.

It's fine. It's good. And to me, that's what the most appealing thing about Jesus is. He's the same Jesus that was on the earth that said this same Jesus left the earth and he'll come back. And we're waiting on him to come back. So we'll be us, but it'll be an imperishably eternal us. Yesterday, today, and forever. All right, we're out of time.

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