Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 778 | Jase Gets Thrown Under the Bus HARD & Phil Cracks Everyone Up with His Fashion Choice

Episode Date: October 30, 2023

Phil addresses a question that has been posed by many “Unashamed” fans but never before answered, and Jase gets put in the hot seat over his antisocial characteristics. Phil and Jase discuss the bounty of “flying protein” at an undisclosed location and their pride in youngest brother Jep’s hunting performance. The guys examine the religious debate about exactly when and where the kingdom of God is coming, and Al lays out three essential things Jesus teaches his disciples in Luke. In this episode: Luke 17, verses 20-37; Matthew 18, verse 6; Mark 16, verse 15 — Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? Welcome back to Unashamed. We've got a little role reversal here today. I'm in studio with Dad. We got Jace on the road, which is unusual. We got Zach, of course, from North Carolina. Jace, can you tell us where you are? Is this a undisclosed location? I never know how secretive you are with all of your filming and stuff. I am at an undisclosed location deep in Maryland. I just disclosed it. I'm on the Chesapeake Bay. Chesapeake. The Chesapeake Bay. I'd say 25 years ago, 30.

We were getting on back there now, that. We were hunting a Cypress break about 50 miles north of here. And I looked up and here comes 35 canvas backs. About 30 came left or right. And they lit right in front of us. and I picked out one. He couldn't kill but one back in them days. So I raised up and boom.

And since I was the retriever, when I went out and picked that, some of them killed two or three more, but when I went out and I picked up the one that I shot, I looked at him and he had a band on his leg. Mm, jury. I sent the band in, the number, to the designation of where he was banded.

And we got a letter back, and he said, this duck was banded 13 years ago on the Chesapeake Bay. Congratulations. So I put him on my string at the house, and he's on there out of about a couple hundred bands that I've harvested through the years. But that was one of the more, just think about it.

So he made that trip. That duck made that trip from Maryland up through there, Chesapeake Bay. Yep. From there, all the way to the woods down in, Louisiana. But 13 was not his lucky number. His mistake was he flew back and forward, up and up and down until he came to me.

And he ended up on the table in a pot of gravy. His mistake was he flew in front of the bearded one. He flew in front of the beard. He made a mistake. He forgot to fear of the beard. Jay's. So what Jay said that would kill the canvas back there 15, 20 years ago? Or 30.

Maybe 30. But Jay's, what kind of territory is it, does it look like up there? Because that's where that duck came from. I have been really impressed. You know, for years we would do really well sending duck calls to Maryland. And I just thought, I mean, you just don't think of Maryland as a duck hunting state. but after what I've seen the last couple of days. I mean, we witness the migration beginning.

That Mary, that Mary, is that Mary the little baby, girl, the 15-year-old, is that her? Or is that, it's not, doesn't work out, Maryland, Maryland. Is it something else? Probably Queen Mary, I would think. Probably named after one of the queens, wouldn't you think, Zach? Yeah, probably. I do know this. You'll find this fascinating that the state motto is no one left behind.

That is a good code. I like that code. Yeah, I saw that. And so, you know, we've kind of had a double venture here because we're treasure hunting up here. But Maryland has an early duck season. And so I was like, well, why don't we see if we can look into helping them get the season start? So I talked them into it. Of course, I don't know.

I can't talk about, you know, the show specifically, but I did talk them into going down and a guy that we met was happy to let us start the season off here. And I'm going to tell you, you know, the first few hours I wasn't sure, but we had a big wind shift. And you know how it is, Phil? Yep. When all of a sudden it goes from 80 degrees and tranquil to 60 degrees.

degrees and windy. The teal, the green wing teal were on the leading edge. Oh. Well, I now know, I now know being from Maryland, Jace, to where we're seated right here and where this, that duck was shot 30 years ago, what, what, how far is that is that? It's about 1,500 miles. Roughly. 1,500 miles.

Yep. Is that amazing? It happened to light in front of me and I got him on the wall. Yeah, I see how it happened. So the place we're staying, obviously, I don't know if you can see the water. Did the teal start when the wind started? The teal started. They came with the wind.

Literally, they were the leading edge. And so they were trying to film, you know, what they do, film whatever it is. And I was like, hey, get down and get what you can get. because we're fixing shoe teeth still. All of a sudden, filming went to the background, isn't it? I took,

I just, I just couldn't help it. I was like, you know, I know we're trying to make a TV show, but y'all get in the brush and get what you can get because I'm fixed a shoe teeth tail.

So it'll be interesting to see how the episode comes out. Because I did it with such an adage. Little bunches are, are just small groups. Well, here's what was funny. that you asked that. It was little bunches.

Of course, it's, it's me and Jeb, who are, you know, seasoned hunters. And then we had Murray, who actually was one of the guys

who invented the mojo decoy with the flappy wings. They took the concept from California of just having a rotary movement that imitates wings of ducks that flicker. And they, they turned it into a duck. And look, everybody knows.

that took off about like our duck call. Yep. But he hadn't duck hunted in 30 years. So he was a little slow on the draw, but we finally, you know, let him, let him have his crack at him. But it started off little bunches. And when we were done and heading toward the camp,

then I just noticed on the horizon it was big bunches, a green wing tail. Good. Right. And no telling them what you had to say, yeah, if you'd have been. there while. It was so exciting. I mean, very seldom do you see the day the migration goes into full force. It probably hasn't trickled down into Louisiana yet, but for Maryland, it was an exciting

day. When we got back to the camp, because they have other hunters and people out, they hadn't really done well, but they had all got into them the same day that we did. So it was pretty exciting. Yeah, that's, boy, that's pretty good TV show you're making there, boy. Dad may watch that episode, Jay. Well, who knows if they got it? We'll see. But it's hard to film, Ducks. I mean, we all know that.

But I'll tell you this. Now, we grilled those things, and they were absolutely spectacular. There was zero gaminess in these two. I don't know if it's what they're eating. They probably were fat, and they're just. started their southern trip. Yeah. So they probably, you know, they're just now, by the way, people for years, for hundreds

of years have tried to figure out why Waterfowl makes these journeys all the way down 1,500 miles in the case of those teal. And they end up in front of us down here in Louisiana, and a lot of them come from a long way. They've always wondered all the people who study these things that why do ducks migrate, all these ducks and stuff that migrate. It makes for a wonderful world. What do you call it the great protein flight or so? You used to have a, dad used to have a name for it, about all this protein.

Lion protein that the almighty sins from Canada down to Mexico, which is pretty interesting way looking at it. It really is. We lathered them up with a little cream cheese. We had a jalapina. We had some Cajun seasoning. And they melted. Some bacon.

Did you put bacon on it? Oh, yeah, wrapped in bacon. I got a good meal out of that. These people in Maryland, they pretty well sound like me. They know what's going on. You know what I found fascinating is the group of people that we're running with in Maryland here. They act and talk just like Cajuns. And so I told them that, and they were like, well, they didn't even know what a Cajun was.

And I said, trust me, somewhere in there, y'all left South Louisiana and got up here way back in your history and nobody told you about it. Because that's just what they reminded me out. Who knows the women up there may pick ducks like they do in Louisiana. I don't know. Yeah, they said how you want to cook them. And I said, let's go with that. I mean, I think it was the easiest, the easiest way. So they don't want me talking about the treasures we found.

I mean, look, it was a home run on both lines because treasure comes in various forms. You know, you have ducks, which got us just all riled up in a good way. And even Jep, it's about as excited as I've seen Jep. And I was really surprised at how well he shot because the wind was 30, 40 miles an hour. It was hard shooting, but I thought we performed pretty well. All that years, we didn't think he was. was hitting him. He was hitting them,

maybe. Now we knew. I'll tell you this, when you get on an island and you're the only one shooting, that's where the real shotgunning skills come out. And Jep performed admirably. I was pleasantly surprised.

Yeah, on the treasure hunting, we, you know, I'm not going to disclose any details because we'll save that. But I found a penny, which you'll never figure this out.

So this is like, a riddle, but I found a penny worth a thousand dollars. Whoa. How do you do that? I don't know, but we're in the wrong line of work. Me and old, that's right. We're not doing that well. That's pretty good, yeah.

So I found this and I was doing research because I wasn't familiar with this penny and Jep was, you know, we were trying to figure out what this was. and the first thing I saw was that it was worth a thousand dollars. So we went nuts. So it's been a good trip. So we're going to do a part two or, you know, just maybe another episode. So that's why I'm still here. We didn't come back home after the episode.

We're going to film another one. It was so good, we just couldn't leave. That's kudos for Maryland. So, Zach, did you look up who Maryland's named after? No, I just thought maybe. or some little chick named Mary. Looks like maybe, yeah, somebody from the 1600s here. Let me see here.

So while you're looking at that, I looked it up. Queen Mary. Yeah, Queen Mary, you were correct. That was correct. But I want to point out one thing that Jace brought up, that any time you have an ingredient, any type of meat, doesn't matter what it is. If you put it in jalapeno with cream cheese and bacon,

it's going to be good. That's right. It definitely tastes the stock up. Yeah, it's like, you like when people say, yeah, oh, I'll tell you how to cook those ducks, man, I'll tell you how to make them good. You get a jalapeno, you put the little duck strip in there, put some cream cheese and wrap it and bacon and grill it. And I'm like, but it doesn't matter what you put it in it's going to be good, right? I don't know. There may be a couple of the coup or a couple of things that you still might have to have trouble with, even with that combination.

But you're right. That has a lot to do with it. Also, Maryland is 1,000. miles. The Chesapeake Bay is a thousand miles from here, Dad. A thousand miles. I was a little bit off, but yeah, a thousand miles. So just a correction in podcast.

But you say that real quick. That's a long way. A long way for birds to buy. It's a long way. A thousand miles. Let's take our first break. So, Zach, you got a, we need to have a blind update because we hadn't talked about it in a few podcasts, but I know it's still in some places because I was just up in

Illinois and some other places and they still had it in the theater. I don't know if it'll still be there by the time this airs, but tell us a little bit about what's going on with the blind. I know are we not the now the highest grossing fathom event ever? Did I catch that somewhere? Yeah, we are. We passed the chosen. Yeah, that was a big deal, right?

I mean, it's the highest. Yeah, we're the number one fathom film, at least for now. So that was one of our goals. I'm looking up. I think I have dates. I'm just trying to find this here, Al. I have dates, official dates, when you can watch the blind movie at home.

It is still in theaters, so you can go out and watch it at the theaters, but it's going to be able to buy, you'll be able to buy it on digital, which is like your, they call it P-Bod, you know, when you're on your streaming, whatever Amazon or whatever,

you can be able to download, right? Yeah, you can do a digital download on November 3rd, and then we'll have it on DVD and Blu-ray, on November 14th, but here's the deal. You can pre-order right now on Walmart.com, Amazon. So I love this because we've got, man, I was thinking about how this is, I think this is what's going to happen during Christmas.

I mean, there's been so many, I mean, it's thousands of people, thousands and thousands of messages that we've got of how impactful this film was. But if you got somebody that maybe you couldn't get to the theater, that'd be a good Christmas present for you to get them as the, the blind DVD. So you get that. November 3rd is the digital November 14th is the DVD.

And I know a lot of people are probably going to get it that way because it just didn't show it. Like there's a lot of our listeners in Canada. We have a ton of listeners in Canada. I kept getting emails and messages on Twitter saying, when's it coming to Canada? Although it did meet a guy yesterday that was a church staff from Ottawa. No, Ontario. Ontario. I saw him.

Yeah, and he said that they watched it in the theater. So it did make it to wherever Ontario. Yeah, we had. Actually, it's weird because we, yeah, we didn't, we didn't, we weren't in Canada. But then we, I mean, I didn't realize how many fans were up in Canada. There's a lot of people. There's a lot of people that podcast. Yeah.

Watch Duck Nistee and follow the family in Canada. So we, um, just honestly because of the sheer demand that we got, we were able to go into some of the distributors up there. and it did really well in Canada, a matter of fact. But, you know, it's not everywhere. And like those rural places we talked about, you can still have it in your church too.

So if you have, if you guys are in like an area that doesn't have a theater or whatever, you can have it in your church. You just go to the blindmovie.com. There's a little tab in there that says bring to my church. So, I mean, yeah, it's still going really well. I mean, it's been fun. Yeah, I can't think of a better,

if you're looking like for some kind of, you know, evangelism night or, outreach night for a community, especially if you've got a lot of hunters and people in your area that may not come to a normal service. I think they would come if you showed the movie. I mean, I just think that's a brilliant idea as a way to outreach, because the stories I've been getting at have just been incredible about life change. I mean, right there in the theater and people just sitting there crying and their eyes out and saying, you know what, I need to get my life right. It's just whatever it's worth, the baptism rate is getting bigger and bigger and

bigger. That's right. My little class there. We're seeing that locally. That's White's Ferry Road, 9 o'clock in the morning on Sunday morning. Every Sunday, dad's there. You want to look a little inside into the movie there. There it is.

That's right. The real deal. We had a bunch of baptisms at our church a few weeks ago. And then last weekend, Willie and Corey came in and did an event at the children's home with Shane and Shane. I did throw Jason under the bus in front of about 3,000 people. All right. I did, Jess. I got to confess. Can you tell us what you said?

Let me defend myself. I said, my family doesn't come to visit often. I said the last time I had a family member from the Robertsons side visit, and now I'm excluding you from this because you've been very kind. I said, Jace comes by and Willie's sitting on stage with me. He's here. We're locking arms here. I said, Jace's mode of visiting, and I told him the story of you,

doing the drive-by, Black Mountain calling me about 1030. Hey, honking the horn. I just wanted to let you know I'm coming through town. Well, you left out one part. I honked. You did. I drove by and I waved. The wave was, hey, that's it.

Actually, you know what? It actually meant a lot to me. I mean, I think you under the bus, but between me and you, I mean, that surprised me. I felt like you had gone the extra mile. If I'd have driven by and no hornblow and no wave, okay, then we got a problem. But I acknowledged it. And just so the audience knows, because I've been there so many times, he honked from

interstate, which is about five miles on where Zach actually lives. So if in your mind, you're thinking he went by his house, incorrect. He was on 926 there and just honked on his way by that. If you would have gassed up in Black Mountain, I would have driven up there and I would have at least come giving you a hug. The movie didn't get it, but it was kind of built in that out of the next 40 years, I would be the one that shows what a sinful life, the power of God to get you out Monday. The marching orders we were given in the Bible is he said to them, Jesus, go into all the world. This is Jesus talking, the one I had rejected for 28 years, and finally acquiesced. Going to all the world, that's a big place, and preach the good news to all creation.

There's the gospel that he had died for us, was buried and raised from the dead. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, and whoever does not believe will be condemned. So your life is either immortal or you didn't make the cut. So I would just tell the audience here today in the podcast, put your faith in, look around at the world right now and you say, it's pretty, boy, worldwide, there's a lot of murder, mayhem, sin, death. It's rough out there. You can go through it all. go into all the world and preach the gospel whoever believes and is baptized is saved

so now that's what we're doing here to podcast and other things points you to Jesus it's about all we can do and say what have you got to lose and you got everything to gain yeah I reject it but America has rejected and the people you see in all these wars right now we're warring against they said no Yeah. There's no Jesus with them.

No, and you're right, Dad. It's important that all of us, you know, be in tune with the message. I told the story yesterday. I preached yesterday here at WFAR. I don't know that I've ever preached a sermon on legalism, but that's the beautiful thing about when you preach through a text. It was an excellent sermon. So you get there, right?

You know, so remember back in Luke 11 and 12 whenever the woes to, you know, to the legalists? So that was my sermon topic yesterday. And, but I told a story in there. And I was telling Dad this morning before we came on air that it was, it reminded me a lot of the story Dad tells about giving the fish to the people that were stealing from him. And then they quit stealing from him. We were at an event.

And we were in Champaign, Illinois. So we're on a campus, the campus of Illinois University. And so, you know, we're in the blue state, you know, in terms of how they rank things in terms of politically speaking. So I told Lisa, so we might have some protesters tonight because, you know, we're on a, using when I get near a college campus for a pro-life event, you know, there'll be some kids that'll show up to protest. And sure enough, we were, we were crossing over to speak to another room because this event was so big, they had like 300 more people in a room that wasn't in the main room. So we went over to meet them, and I told them a couple of bonus stories, you know, since they were kind of on the outside.

And we saw these protesters. I had the matching shirts and they had the signs, and they were being respectful, but they were just outside the door. but this director that was with us she said you guys go ahead and go over and speak i'm going to step outside and speak to these folks and i thought hmm that's bold so we kept going she walked outside after we were finished when i came back out they were gone and we were only in there 10 or 15 minutes and so i so the woman wasn't with us and this other one was there so what so what happened with the with her and the protesters and she said you know she went out she said she welcomed them and she said I'm the director of the pregnancy center that we're raising funds for tonight.

And, you know, I just want to thank you kids for being active and involved and exercising your First Amendment rights and doing it. You've been very kind and, you know, you haven't been ugly to us. I just want to say thank you for that. And if anybody ever needs our services, you know, here's our address and we'd always love to be there for you. And so I just wish you guys a good night. And then she came back in and then 10 minutes later they were gone. And so it's like, I mean, I don't.

don't know that it was maybe they were going to leave anyway but i don't know if that's the old deal about when you show love to people you know that may not agree with you it's never a bad way to go i mean so i told that i got up in front of the audience that night and first thing i said was scott when scott vpelt started sports center he says let me tell you the best thing i saw today and so then i told that in course she got a standing ovation from the people inside i was like that that's how you handle it you're unashamed you're bold but at the same time you're loving. I mean, that's what Jesus was. So I thought it was pretty good. Let's take another break. I got a, on Twitter, there was a, I responded to a guy. One of our listeners took a picture, Jace, of our set here. And me, you and dad, were here. And it said, three men, one gospel and five pairs of glasses.

That's what the caption said in the thing. And so he was talking about these glasses. There's a collection there. In front of that. What is that? Why do y'all go out of say, in case one of them breaks, or what? Well, these are mine. These are mine because I don't wear them because I don't need them up close. But these are all dad, so I don't know. They're all there to make people think, boy, look. Look how many pairs of glasses he got. He must be really smart.

And they hear him and they said, nope. But I've never seen. I just thought that was very clever. Three men, one guy, one guy, four, five pairs of glasses. I thought that was really clever. So whoever that was it. What's happening is, so Phil brings a pair of glasses, then he goes back home and says, what happened to those glasses? So Kay buys him another pair, and then he brings them up to the table.

Look, Maddie pointed out, there's two more pair behind us on the shelf back here. You got to remember, the blind. So there are some that need heavy-duty pairs of glasses to see what. Hey, be careful. Be careful because I got chastised on my Instagram. I got a message from a lady. I never responded to her, but she said, what did she accuse me of for titling at the blind?

What was the? Oh, it was ableism. Which, by the way, my dad's sister is blind. And I didn't know that was a thing because she's never complained about the title of the movie. But she said, you're assuming or you're equating blindness with, ignorance and that's ableism or something. And I never responded to her, but I was thinking, well, how do you know that's what we meant?

And, you know, because there is not what we meant. Yes, it's the duck line too. Like, you're assuming that we're meaning that, which actually shows that you're, you know, guilty of abelism, whatever that means. But, yeah, I thought that was interesting. Isn't ableism like being anti-old people? I think she's saying, you're, or against disabled. You're assuming, like basically you have this ability and then you're assuming that someone who doesn't have this ability is, I couldn't quite understand what she was getting at.

But, but you're going to, I mean, look, I told my kids this. No matter what you do, you're always going to, you're always going to upset somebody probably. But abelism is, here's the, so here's the definition, discrimination in favor of able-bodied people. So that's the actual definition. So you. If you're having eye problems, you would be taking advantage of him because. So you're discriminating. Her argument is you're discriminating against me because I'm blind because you named.

She wasn't blind. Oh. But she was a saying. Somebody else. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah, we did. Well, the problem with that is the whole spiritual definition that we talk about all the time in the Bible about blind has nothing to do with actual physical eyesight.

So that's incorrect right off the back. because that's a whole other genre of being blind. I think that's what she's saying, though, you're equating it. You're using this term. Well, Jesus did it first. So, yeah. I mean, we're in good company. I mean, yeah, when she did it, when she assumed that's what we meant, which is what we meant.

I mean, it was a double entendre, right? So, I mean, it is. But I never said, I never told her that. So she had to assume that. Oh, so she has a problem. She had a problem with just the, the term, the blind, the blind, not how we used, just the idea. But I got you. We're using what Jesus said in Luke, the last chapter of Luke.

Then he opened their minds so they could understand the scriptures. That we do. We would show them what the scripture say. This is what is written. The Christ will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day. Man, what a. You are witnesses of these things. I'm going to send you what my father has promised.

Tell me about the Spirit, but stay in the city until you've been clothed with power from on high. So they were, Jesus told them, just tell them that I'm God. I've come to the earth. They kill me. But three days later, I rose from the dead. I am your ticket out of here. I mean, basically is what he said.

And we give that to people. And there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. No. It's not blind. It's open your eyes when you get that message. Wow. I was talking about on the road to Amos. Remember when he was walking and it said,

and their eyes were open and suddenly they could see who he really was? There's a big difference before I come to Jesus. And now it's been 40 years after I came to him. I'm way better now than I was when I started out. Oh, man. Yeah. Would you say you were blind and you saw? blind as a bat.

Yeah, that's exactly right. No, I think that's a good term, Zad. We should keep using it. In all deference to the person, I don't think they're right about that. Me either. I think you're right on target. So we wanted to talk a little bit about loot. We got, I think we left off in 17.

Zach, I don't know if you were with us the last time. We went through this, I called him Kingdom Essentials. I mean, everybody has their own way to outline and stuff. but in this whole chapter of 17, I see these as being essential things that Jesus is trying to teach the disciples, because remember we were coming out of that really pretty harsh text in chapter 16 where he had this vision of this story he was telling about heaven and hell or the idea of it. I mean, it's, you know, it's serious stuff that he's talking about here.

So he comes back, he starts teaching his disciples this. And so out of that, he talked about their influence and their relationships. And the idea, I think the way Jay's put it was to not offend, but to be unoffendable, which I thought was a pretty good way. Was that what you said, Jay's? You want to live in a way to not offend, but also to be unoffendable, which I thought was pretty good. Yeah, because he started off in the first paragraph of Luke 17 saying, you know, don't cause people to stumble.

And so you don't want to offend. And that phrase is used a lot when it's dealing with children. Right. But when it says it in verse two where it says it'd be better for him to be thrown into the sea with a millstone tied around his neck. Then for him to cause one of these little ones to sin. So watch yourselves. So we, you know, by our life, we don't want to offend. But also when someone offends you, because then he makes that transition.

if your brother sins, rebuke him. If you repents, forgive him, which is a way more, you know, it's just, I don't know about way more, but it's difficult to forgive. And then you got into this, well, how many times do I forgive? So the apostles concluded that they needed an increase of faith because it's very hard not to call someone to sin. And then it's really hard when someone does something to you to forgive. I mean, I think that's what Al meant by, you know, hard teaching.

Yeah. It's just this is really what people struggle with more than anything on the planet. No. But he kind of gives us the recipe, which is another hard teaching, which is he's basically saying, I own everything. You're servants and you're unworthy to start dictating policy. And so that was kind of the thrust of the basis. for forgiving, and you realize that Jesus became a servant to forgive us. He humbled himself, he came here to save, and look at the injustice that happened to him, to say that he was

offended against as an understatement, and yet he chose to forgive. So that's our basis for having the power, which is his power, to forgive others. He illustrated that teaching, Luke does when he then gives us this story about these 10 lepers who were healed. And you remember out of the 10, one of them was a Samaritan and the other nine were not, but the Samaritan is the one who recognized, you know, just how powerful Jesus was in this moment. So he comes back to praise him. And I love what you said, Jason. I don't know if it came from Keller or somewhere, because I don't know if you thought of it or they did.

Somebody else did. but you told the story about that I never thought of that he couldn't go to the priest and show himself in Jerusalem because he was a Samaritan. So he had to go back to Samaria to be able to do that. And so in essence, he recognized who the true priest was. And I love that. I've never put that together, but that's brilliant, because that's probably exactly what made it so special,

is that he recognized the true high priest. Yeah, I got that. I got that from Kel. All the high priests had gotten together as a unit and was giving him a lot of difficult. That's right. And he's still, and Jesus shows who he is because he still sent him through the process. The ones you're talking about.

Yeah. You know, it's about three different groups. Oh, yeah. Teachers the law of the Pharisees. Yep. Where did you get it, Jay? Yeah, I got it from Keller. And I do think that that is the point, because when you think about it,

it. When Jesus told them to go show yourself to the priest, well, he was going to have to go a long way. But somehow he figured out, because this was an incurable disease from their perspective, and he concluded what the Hebrew writer said in chapter 7 that Jesus became our priest not on the basis of a regulation or some kind of ritualistic thing, but on the basis of an indestructible life. Because part of being indestructible is if you have the power, to cure a disease without any kind of medical procedures, but just at the snap of your fingers, he figured it out. He thought, this is the high priest right here.

And that's what caused him to go back and thank him, which is really a beautiful picture of what we have in Christ and why God came down, going back to the Luke 15, why he was eating with tax collectors and sinners and why he reached out to those who were viewed as not powerful, you know, the lepers and people from different countries and who look different and the blind and the lame. Because in this culture, these were all results of what they incorrectly believe were because things haven't gone your way, God is not in favor of you. And Jesus flipped that on its head. He showed a love for everybody, and he showed a power to transform everybody. Even the blind man that we talked about, you know, there was a double meaning there. Not only did he not address who caused this because he had been blind from birth in John 9,

but he actually showed the power by healing him physically, but he also enlightened him spiritually so that he could recognize Jesus as the son of God. Yeah, and there's another vein, I think, in this too, that, and I think this is from the very beginning of the scriptures in Genesis 1. You know, a lot of theologians say that that initial garden was like a temple. And the idea was to take God's presence, which manifests in a temple, and then he said, go subdue the earth, you know, go expand this beyond the borders. And so you go through all the prophets, all the patriarchs, all that. You see this vein in script, even in the Old Testament, which is supposed to be right, this about God's chosen people, Israel. But then you hear all this language about the nations coming, like in Isaiah chapter 2.

It's about the nations that are flowing uphill towards Mount Zion to worship the Lord, all nations, not just Israel, but all the nations. And so one of the things Jesus is doing here, too, is he's disrupting. the what they thought of of the temple, what they thought of God, who is God's chosen people, for example. And it's pretty clear that he's opening this up to everybody, to the untouchables, to those with leprosy, to the Samaritans, to the Gentiles eventually. And when we see the Acts, you know, you guys, I've sat in a lot of y'all's talks where you've talked about jokingly, you've talked about, you know, killing animals and you, and you know, reference Acts chapter 10 when the sheet comes down with all the animals on it. And the command was arise, kill, and eat. And y'all's joke is, you know, you're just following commands of the Almighty. But there's actually another really significant point in Acts 10, which is don't call something unclean that I've called clean.

And so there's this idea that Christ, through Christ, all the nations are being called up into community, into this new temple with Christ being the cornerstone of that temple. and then us, the people of Christ, the church, are built on him as living stones. And so I don't think it's an accident that he moves directly into the teaching about the kingdom in verse 20. What is it? Verse 20, right after this whole cleanses the ten lepers, he moves into teaching about the kingdom. And I think that that's it. The kingdom of God is all people or all types of people, all nations being called up into this new temple structure. where we can all dwell in the presence of God.

Yeah, and which obviously they were having a hard time with because they couldn't see beyond the system that was already in place. Let's take our last break. Yeah, it was interesting because I said that I preached yesterday on legalism, and then it was in that hard passage where Jesus was, I mean, he got after him pretty good. Those woes were personally. Where were you at yesterday?

I was in Luke 11 when he gave the six woes. You gave three of the Pharisees and the three of the experts in the law. Oh, and Jason, I used you in an illustration. yesterday because you know the teachers of the law whenever Jesus gave the first three woes you remember they they said they spoke up and said well Lord or rabbi you're you're offending us when you talk like this you know it was like they spoke up because it's like wait a minute we we believe the same thing you just told them which I was saying what kind of idiot does that in my illustration was I said you know back when I was in the discipline phase of life and dad was having

of this one. If he had been giving me a whipping, and Jace would have been standing there and said, wait a minute, Dad, this is not fair that you're whipping out for this. I've been doing the same things that he did. I mean, I said, trust me, Jace would have never done that when I said that everybody laughs. I said, you know what he did? He looked away and whistled because you don't want to, you don't even make eye contact in that moment just in case you did something that you might get you some.

So it was like, you know, what a, what a dumb thing for them to do, right? But so he gives them these woes. And so this whole lesson was about this idea of what you just described, Zach, the difference. Well, here's what was interesting. So yesterday we had a family that was supposed to do a baby blessing at the beginning of the service. We got out of their baby. And it was a family that's not really at WFR, but they're related to a family that has a lot of real issues, physical issues, noticeable issues, you know, when you see them.

But I love them. They're faithful. They're wonderful people. But if you just looked at them, you said, man, what is wrong with this family? Because they have some maladies. And so these people are related to them. So they didn't, they were late. They texted Brahmi and said, we'll be there in 20 minutes.

We're fixing the start. So Brahmi goes to me and says, can we do it at the beginning of the sermon? I said, sure, whatever. So we had this baby blessing before I preached. And this family is up there. And the family that came in, I mean, the wife, she has all the studs and stuff, you know, look like, as somebody said, looked like she swam through a tackle box. So she's got all that going on.

And then the man has all the tats and, you know, I mean, he's a, he's a dude. And I just thought about it in that moment we were all standing there. I thought, man, I'm fixing to preach a sermon about the kingdom of God and not being self-centered and thinking about other people and being like Jesus who looked at lepers and anybody that seemed to be the dregs of his society. And I thought, there's not a better, I couldn't say that, because obviously I wouldn't want to embarrass his family. But, you know, the picture of the kingdom of God was on that stage yesterday.

And what was really interesting about it, because I was fixing to preach about it, as this couple were holding their baby, was watching the pictures of their baby on the screen, and we were singing the song that we sang during the baby blessing, both of them just tears were pouring down their cheeks. cheeks. And I just thought, man, this is it. This is what the kingdom God is supposed to look like. Everybody's welcome at the table. And I just thought, you know, a Pharisee wouldn't have gotten within

10 miles of this family because they didn't look right to them. And that's the kind of stuff we're dealing with here. So right in this text, there's so powerful that that's there. I love that because the heart of legalism, particularly when it pertains to the kingdom, is that legalism, the goal of legalism is this. Because people say, what is what is legalism? One definition can be it's trying to earn favor with God based on what you do. It's like a legal code that I'm going to do the right things and then and then I'm going to be right with God legally. The problem is that you have sin and you don't understand the gospel because you don't understand who God. God is so infinitely beyond us.

Trust me when I tell you, you do not want to go before a holy God and say, justify me based on what I've done. Nobody wants to, nobody wants to say that because as we all sin, that's, That's the whole point of Paul's argument in Romans, for all of sin them fallen short of his glory and are justified freely by his grace. So legalism is trying to earn the way, but how it pertains to the kingdom is that the reason why we do that is because we want to contain God. We want to box him in. And if we can earn our salvation by what we do, then what that means is that we're in control. We're in control of our own destiny and our own righteousness and we're in control the kingdom. and that's what the Pharisees were trying to obtain.

That's why it was hard for them to see the kingdom, because in their mind, the kingdom was stuck inside of a temple somewhere that was built by Solomon, built by man's hands or built by whoever came after that, and it was all stuck in there. And then Jesus is coming with something totally different. Think about whatever.

When John the Baptist showed up, he says that the kingdom of God is at hand. And then Matthew, attributes that to a prophecy out of Isaiah. The kingdom of God is at hand. And then Jesus, when he started his ministry, after he went up to be tempted by the devil, do you remember what he said?

The kingdom of God is at hand. And so here you have this other phrase here in Luke, what Jesus is here, and he says, now having been questioned by the Pharisees as to when the kingdom of God was coming, because they're thinking, when is it going to come? He answered them and he said, the kingdom of God is not coming with signs to be observed.

In other words, you can't box it in. Nor will they say, look, here it is, or there it is. It's not in a structure. It's not in a building. It's not in a temple. He says, for behold, the kingdom of God is in your midst. I mean, that is, you can't keep in mind. That is a shocking statement for him to say that.

in this particular point in history. Well, I think, too, after what he just got through doing, picking up the two hardest things that there are to do is not causing someone else to sin and forgiving others who do sin. So he comes up with this illustration that makes people uncomfortable. There's one owner and everybody else is a servant. Well, then he segues into there's a king of the kingdom and you're not him. He's the king.

You know, we all deep down want to be kings. And that's what's been going on since the beginning of time. And that's why he's given this prediction of, you know, I'm the king. He's showing people, I'm the son of man that was predicted in the book of Daniel. I'm the Messiah. I'm here. And so as members of the kingdom, it puts you in the perspective. because they asked when, because they wanted to act like they could get ready for whenever he comes

and have every, you know, all their legalistic forms of righteousness in place. And he's turning that on its head because then he goes into reminding them in the next paragraph that first he has to suffer, which is something that is not, does not go along from a worldly point of view of what a king does. you know, we all think of physical kingdom, the king, he's comfortable and he would never have to suffer. And so that's why he's turning it on its head. But it's actually, you know, we're going to have to do a whole other podcast on this because it's easily misunderstood on what he's referencing here. Well, we are going to have to do a whole other podcast on this. But when you said that about Daniel, in the next podcast, I want to go through Daniel too.

in Nebuchadnezzar's dream, because I think this is the moment, right? I mean, this is a prophetic, this was prophesied in the Old Testament by Prophet Daniel, and then there's this fulfillment of it that's happening right before our eyes here. But here's the point that I think is, man, we've got to get this. And this is controversial, but I do not understand why. But the kingdom of God is here. It came with the king. The kingdom of God is here.

I mean, we can't procrastinate the coming of the kingdom as something that's like far off. It's going to come at the end of time, at the end of the Christian age, and then the kingdom comes when we get to participate in it. That is, I don't think that's what the Bible teaches at all. I think the Bible teaches, I mean, he says it here. John the Baptist said the kingdom of God is at hand. Jesus said the kingdom of God is at hand. And then here he says, the kingdom of God is in your meaning. midst. Now, it may not be here in its full fruition, and I would say that, but there is elements

of the kingdom. The kingdom is here, and we are participating in it as the church. I don't think that is that is important, because if we procrastinate the coming of the kingdom, then what's going to happen is we're going to procrastinate this blessing, and then we're going to end up in some form of Gnosticism, where it's like, oh, it's just always going to happen in the future. It's all, you know, spiritual. This doesn't matter here. No, it does matter. What's happening right now matters. You're right, Zay. That may be why that the church has been in a hole in a lot of malaise and had made a lot of differences because of misunderstanding of this. There's so many brands, but the brand I tell them to use when they ask, who are you with? What group is it? And you just tell them, I'm with the kingdom of God and I'm with Jesus.

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