Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 79 | Phil, Jase, and Al Debate: Did the Coronavirus Come from China, God, or Demonic Forces?

Episode Date: April 22, 2020

After a week of dodging viruses and tornadoes, Phil, Jase, and Al debate the source of the coronavirus: Is it God, China, or the evil one? And if it's China, was it on purpose? Jase describes the blame game that takes place in the Robertson family. Phil explains the redneck route to becoming debt-free. And Jase remembers the time he was injured and thought he went to hell. See episodes of "Unashamed with Phil Robertson": https://bit.ly/2J4XsiX   See clips from Phil's TV show "In the Woods with Phil": https://bit.ly/2PNM6k1   To take a FREE 30 Day Trial of Phil's TV show and the rest of BlazeTV: https://www.BlazeTV.com/Phil - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? The life with the coronavirus is one thing. And then yesterday, which on our time was Easter Sunday. So we have our service together in our house. You know, we take the Lord's Supper like we've been doing. How did the live stream look like you call it the podcast? I thought it was fantastic.

I haven't talked to you about this. I'm doing it live, so I can't tell how it's going to like. I thought the sermon was fantastic, which I told you. Everybody's doing this live streaming. I think what we're doing, it's, there's an authenticity about it. It seems real. So I, I like it. I don't know if we talked about this before.

By the way, it's WFRchurch.org. No, you talked about it because there's people coming that, that they say, I'm coming here because you recommended it on the podcast. What I was going to say was I don't know if we've talked about the way we do it. So we kind of got our guy, his name is Ryan. We call it Ryan Seacrest. He kind of, he's like the engine and everything runs around. So he does a lot of back and forth live with Facebook and stuff that's going on, prayer requests.

So I thought it really makes it really like connected. It's interactive. Look, I'm on there talking to people. I talk to mainly the people that come from the podcast on Facebook. it's the only time I'm ever on. It's now on our, on our interactive. Yeah, but like yesterday, there was a guy. He came.

He's like, hey, Jase, because he saw that I was there somehow and another. I don't know how that works. And he's like, well, you baptize me. And I was like, well, look, you know, it's kind of hard to baptize somebody in a virtual world. But, so I was like, I went 1st Corinthians 117, which says, you know, You all are having this discussions while the live stream is going on. Well, we talked about that yesterday. What's so weird about this?

And most time when the preachers are preaching, everyone's quiet, except for your amends. Or like we have a guy, Kurt Lively, who hollers out Jesus at the top of this long. Did you know, so we had about three or four Kurt moments in the studio yesterday? Yeah, it's awesome. And then I want to introduce what they do in the African American communities. I would love to introduce the well. Which is you're not quite sure about that. That means I have a difference of opinion.

And if you would give me a moment, I would fix your theology. But that's a joke, but not really. And so I'm having these conversations because online, everybody's talking, which seems weird. Because Missy won't do it. I look at the Facebook. She goes to the church where they're doing it, their website. Because she doesn't want to be distracted. Would you say the pandemic has?

has created a new paradigm whereby more people are actually turning to social media to talk to others, get their information because they're convinced that the virus can't go through the computer wires going to the satellite. It's not, Mr. Conspiracy theorist, the virus cannot go in the virtual world. Yes, I mean these. Is there an uptick? I'm not familiar with the instrument. you all are talking about, the devices, is there an uptick in people conversing with one another?

Let me give you one company's example. Now everyone's going to this Zoom video, which all it is, and I'm familiar with it because I bought their stock a long time ago, which made me look like a genius. I didn't know this is going to happen. That's another area that I'm not familiar with. Well, that's fine. But look, I saw a stat the other day. They said before the coronavirus, they had 10 million users, you know, that was the user. Well, now they have 200 million. Yeah, my mode of operandi is make you a stash and sit on it. That's my, that's old school.

There's a story in the Bible. You need to invest because, you know, in the stock market in the next decade, I'm like. So, Dad, what is the words, what is the word Zoom? When you say, when you hear the word Zoom, what in your mind, what does that mean? Big bunch of ducks coming out of air quick. They, they. Zoom. Okay, there we are.

So anyway, I'm interacting with these people during the service. And so the guy I said, well, will you baptize me? I was like, look, 1 Corinthians 1,17, Christ didn't send me to baptize but to preach the gospel. You know, my job is to introduce Jesus to people. He's listened to the podcast. He's falling in love with Jesus. Great. It's insignificant who does the baptizing.

I know this is a sore subject with people because in our culture, from a governmental standpoint, they say you have to be ordained, which Al and I knows that all that means is that somewhere, some organization deemed you. Put your name on a piece of paper. Yeah, put it inside it. So, you know, just think about that. Which now you do it on the internet.

You don't even have to go to school. That's what I'm saying. It's ridiculous. It doesn't matter. And Paul addresses that because, look, people, what they were doing, they started following the people. who were baptizing them. Yep.

Well, and so to me, I feel uncomfortable when someone from eight states over says, will you baptize me? Because I'm thinking, have you missed the point? You know, I mean, okay, that's cool. But that's not the point here. It's not, so, you know, so. But you know why they ask, it's not, it's not a theological reason they ask. It's a, they connected to us, to one of us or all of us.

That's why they ask. I'm saying that makes me. You're right. You're right. You need to. You need to. You connect. You connect.

You connect to Jesus. I would have just told him to refer to someone closer than you were. Well, that's what I did. In the virtual world, I'm not, you know, you can find somebody to baptize you. But I did use a line that I had used before that I should have brought up in the podcast that someone reminded me of. I have a couple of people that listen to our podcast and they're like walking encyclopedias, you know. So they're all the time sending me tags.

or they'll call me about some deep theological thing. But he, and I used it. I said, look, because remember when I talked about, and you talked about yesterday, I noticed that some of the stuff we had talked about on the podcast about baptism being a funeral. Yeah. But you were talking about the burial of Jesus and the significance of that. I thought that was really pointed.

I hadn't thought of that to you brought it up on the podcast. That's why I mentioned it. Well, here's a good point. You realize that baptism, which I should have said this before in John 3, we're in John 4 now, but baptism is the only thing where three things occur simultaneously. You have a funeral, and that's what I zeroed in on. Your old self is buried. You have a wedding because you're actually married to Jesus.

Jesus is the head of the church, right? Right. And you have a birth, which is, and what I'm projecting to you is, why he said in Matthew 28 when he said baptized you in the name of the father and the son the Holy Spirit I believe those three things are occurring right there

because your old self it's undergoing a funeral via the Holy Spirit dying to sin because the Holy Spirit is now replacing the old old one the birth look is now the father you're now that was John 1

son of good excellent point by the way I think that's why in Ephesians 4-4, there's one body, the church, Christ's body, one spirit that you're given when you're baptized. Just as you were called to one hope when you were called, there's one Lord, Jesus is his name, there's one faith. He died for you, was buried and raised from the dead. You put your faith. There's one baptism.

Yeah, it's an interesting thing. You say, some will say, y'all think you, that's mandatory? We're like, there's one baptism, and you're saying there's none. We've had this discussion. I don't like that question when people say, is it mandatory? You know, it's just to me, it's kind of like the guy saying, will you baptize me? You're now asking a question to me that does not fit how it works. When you're introduced to Jesus and you see the benefits of doing that, why are we then trying to

to figure out, is it mandatory? Who can do it? All these things mean nothing to me. Those are terrible questions. He's the one and only that can remove your sin and raise you from the dead. That's why I love. Just one like him. That's why I love when people really fall in love with Jesus.

And then that subject comes up. And there's no ask. They're running. And we've all seen those people. So what did you tell the gentleman that said he wanted you to baptize him and he was eight states away? That's what I told him. I told him, 1, Corinthians 1, 17. and then I said, find someone to baptize you, and then remember these three things.

And I did the funeral, the wedding. So it was interesting. I had thought about it since you brought that up with the three. When we were in school, it was sort of a joke. But the thing was your role as a preacher, pastor, in a church, typically there's three things you never want to miss out on with families. They used to say hatch, match, and dispatch. That's right. I thought about that.

was those three things. Like, in other words, when people have their children, you know, they would always tell us, make sure you're there. You know, you're there. You realize Al's going to be preaching this Sunday. It's this good stuff. Well, I'm right now. It's right now.

Look, so let me. He's gathering. This is how I study. This is how I study now. From the bowels of the redneck command center. Yeah. The unashamed command center. That's a lot.

So let me fit. You're below the theological level when you're, speaking to your dad here or your brother, Jason. I can take it higher. I just need to stuff in the weeds. That's what I'm getting for you. I thought it's a good point. I wanted to bring it up, but to finish my story, so we have the service together.

It's great, you know, and then all of a sudden I start getting messages on my phone, praying for y'all, hope y'all make it, you know, pray it. I was like, what's going on? You know, I hadn't turned on the TV and days. I turned it on. It says the man who didn't know who Dr. Fauci was. just to show you how unplugged you. So, well, I realize now who he was because I just, because I'll watch TV, but I won't

have the sound on, which is kind of weird. Because that way if something comes up a bulletin, I can read about it, but I don't want to hear him talk. So now I got it, because I remember seeing that doctor up there, and Trump is so big, and he's like, he's a smaller fella. He's little, yeah. And just, but they're like always together now. And I'm like, oh, it's.

It reminded me the movie, you know, where the guy had the little guy next to him, you know. I can't remember what the, the mini me or whatever. Oh, yeah. And so, anyway, all of a sudden TV, you know, this is not a test, you know, tornado warning. Everyone's phone started going off, you know, tornado warning imminent. So I've only had to do this one other time. And I'm sure y'all got the same message. You know, we went over, we were in my house, which is the little smaller one.

We all went over to the big house, to the brick house. That's not the place you want to. No, I don't want to be in my double wife. My generac went out, lost power. Ten seconds goes by. I'm way down here. So I thought, well, I better have me a backup power sores. So when the tornado came through, I said, power lines went down somewhere because we solid dark in the house.

Well, did y'all just sit in here? We had a debate. I counted 10 seconds. The Generac kicked on and gave me my power back. And I said, Miss Kay, it's pretty rude outside out there. But that's all the way. Growing up, that would have been awesome because we didn't have that here. So I remember one frozen winter.

Do you remember this in the early 80s? Oh, yeah. We had no power out here because the ice took our lines. It was two weeks. Yeah. It was two weeks. That's the reason that, Gena, the reason we didn't have that back then, so you'll know. I know.

is my house cost $29,000. And the generac cost $25,000. So the generac was out. No, look, not just your house. Two houses and seven acres. Cost $29. That's what's amazing. I mean, they were basically.

I'm still here. You basically paid $29,000 for the seven acres, and they just gave you the two houses. That's about right. And, of course, remember that was 1976 at about 21% interest at the time or whatever the loan was. Jimmy Carter years. I mean, you paid probably half a million dollars for that 29 pounds. Have you ever paid it off? Paid it off.

Oh, well, hallelujah. But it took a long time. Well, I knew. Jace, I know I'm your father, but look, you're a big stock market man. But let me show you a little figurine here with my hands. You say, at the present time, Dad, do you owe anyone one cent? And the answer is negative. I do not owe anyone.

Jason, I'm giving you sound advice. stock market up and down. You never know. You have a place you can always come to. Jay's don't want to have to pay your bills after you're gone. That's what he's working. So let me preface that since you said, I know I'm your father. I know I'm your son, but I was joking.

Remember, Romans 13 leave no debt left outstanding. A lot of people miss that because everybody's in debt, they say. But one debt that you can never repay, the continuing debt to love one another. I don't see. It's a great text. Let's take a break. Phil, I knew you had paid off the house. I just wanted to touch that button because I knew you were going to give me a speech about saying, let no debt remain outstanding.

Here's the point. By where you're there, a pandemic comes by. Trust me when I tell you. Someone says, did you make a plan and did you make sure you carried that out by the time you got in your 70s, you would be debt-free? Oh, that was exactly the plan. Because that way, no matter what the government does, you know, they've been printing trillions of dollars and just shoveling it out. The left-wingers are jumping up and down saying, we're finally going to get universal health care without firing a shot because they're being forced to print trillions. I'll say a book here.

What's the next trillion? The a billion. It's quadrillion. Quadrillion. They're going to get into the quadrillion stage. We hadn't heard it yet, but we will. And, Jay, stock market, I know. I'm just looking at this. That's 15-0.

My greatest fear is that everybody's going to get used to this government-printed money. And if inflation does not take us over, I will be stunned. So I don't know anybody anything. I'm glad I don't because, man, I'm looking at rough times unless there's a change. You can write a book to debt-free the redneck way. Here's what you do. You move to the middle of the nowhere. You start fishing.

Yes. You work with your hands and you build duck whistles. Yes. Which you made an interesting point earlier when we were talking about our business, you know, how we started being out here. If the pandemic had hit back in those days, we would have had little effect. No effect. In terms of our working situation or all that because we were very isolated.

Well, we're seasonal. So it hit. If it hit now. right season because right now we would be working with ourselves. I mean, we have, we're six feet apart. We were six feet apart our whole life. That's right. Sure. You had your little band saw. You had your little dipping station. And so that wouldn't affect this. The only problem would have been blowing the calls. So how would that have to work? Because we, because we have to test our car. We always hit them a leg. Stone says he has it down now. He's the

man who currently puts duck calls together. But we're not. manufacturing and we have other people who manufactures them for us. They kind of used to be our competition, but now they build the bulk of our duck halls. Well, they don't assemble them. We assemble them. He said he's got it down now to where he does not need to blow them. He knows.

He's got it precision. Yeah, precision. I always. We had a lot of trial and error back in the day. People would ask me that because they were like, well, because like at this stage now, since everyone is being germophobes. If. Hey, you were a germophobe before it was cool.

You'll keep bringing this up, but I mean, I used common sense. It's a surprise to you and Trump. Y'all are the leaders of the German. They would come to me at various shows back in the day, the 70s, the 80s, and a guy would come up. He would blow one of my duck calls, and he says, this one, I just don't like the way this sound. He would blow it. And then he would hand it to me and say, here, you try it. I'm like, no.

And he said, what are you talking about? I said, you just blew it. He says, so? I said, dude, I don't know where your lips have been. So I'm not blowing that thing after you blew it. And what about when they rub it on their pants leg? Yeah, rub it on their pants leg, like, all, let me get rid of the germs here. I'm like, no.

Where is that? I wasn't a germophobe, but back in the day, even, I'm like, no. I had that happen thousands of times. Oh, me too. And I'd have people get mad because we'd be at a show, you know, and they would blow the duck call. or I would blow it and then hand it to them and that's fine. How come they would say I don't sound like you?

Well, they were like, well, how come you want me to blow it to you? Because I would say, but I've blown them all. Because I had to test them. And now I would say some study one time I read just so to get people off my back. I don't know if it was true or not because I read it on the internet. But they say if you have a vacuum sealed package, once you put, like if you blow the duck on, put it in the vacuum sealed package, the germs would die in like seven days.

So, well, I read that. There's an answer, huh? Well, I would share that. If there's true, there's that. Of course, technically, ours at that stage were not vacuum sealed. They were a clamshell, but I left that out. I figured, well, it's enclosed. But, I mean, to me, I would rather risk the germs because I know where my lips have been.

You know? So I'm like, well, look, I saw a thing the other day where all the disease, all the diseases of all the major pandemics have come from through the years. It was like 20 of them that had killed millions and millions of people. And 15 out of 20, none, by the way, came from the river down here. So we're safe. 15 out of 19 came from China. 15 out of 19 of the worst viruses in the history of the planet. I'm on record.

I mean, that's just weird. The sources. of the pandemic, I said, God could be doing it because he's done it before. I have multiple texts that says he's done this before. Two, it could be China. And I added either accidentally, accidentally, or on purpose. I would not doubt that the Chinese could accidentally or on purpose do this, come up with a strain of virus. I notice a lot of them comes out of China and you say get 5,000 infected with it, send them to the U.S. and Europe where it will rip across their country and their stock market is on the verge of collapse.

I mean, are there any more? Are there any more on the list? One more on the list. It could be just unsanitary conditions at a wet market where they got bats hanging up, dogs, cats, and the Chinese, they don't call much. Okay. Let me eat. I'm so glad I come down here. That's the three possible sources.

And you say, Jays, God, China are the bad itself hanging up, dripping blood. How about the evil one in demonic forces? I would put that one on the list. He did it ever since Job. He struck him down with diseases. I tend to put that all as number one. Diseases, but never, never this type worldwide type.

I looked at all the verses. Well, what about the guy at the graveyard? He had all the sores all over him. You know what I mean? He was, and they couldn't. So where's I can go and illnesses. But a worldwide pandemic, I think God reserved that for someone other than Satan. I could be wrong.

Well, I will say, other than there are some individual cases where God allowed Satan to do certain things. But you're right. I mean, in the Old Testament, when there's a source of something brought. typically the Almighty says, I did this to do that. Now, his means of how he did it, is he saying this happened, and then I just took advantage of it because I created it. I don't know. It's an interesting discussion.

Jason may be right. I'm glad I didn't have enough text to solidly say it could be safe. Well, everybody has a strong opinion. I mean, the whole book of Job. That was what the whole thing was on. It was all a physical ailments either on his animals, his crops, but like a pandemic worldwide. He had to ask permission and got to.

Okay. But he was the one doing it. I think God withheld his power as far as Satan be behind a worldwide pandemic. Well, that's your opinion. I will do this to you if you turn from me and you start mocking me. He said, I will punish you with pandemics, pestilence, and plays. Look, I'm getting a lot of emails about that, but I'm like, I mean, I'm glad I come down here because I stay up to date on all the redneck conspiracy theories. I mean, you're talking about a panic.

I'm just presenting the facts about China. I mean, it is interesting that whatever's going on there in that part of the world. And we're not talking about Risa. I mean, this goes all the way back to the black play. Yeah, but y'all are a little awful on here. I'm pretty sure that they've proven that it came from a guy in China eating a bat. That's what they got it down to now. Well, they've...

Bat to human is what they're saying. all of these bats. They were studied in a lab in Wuhan. They're doing tests on this. And some say that test might have accidentally jumped over to humans. I'm saying it's possible with the red Chinese. I went, y'all don't remember Mao Zedong. He was the guy started in the 60s, went through the 70s,

until finally he killed enough Chinese. He killed millions. went around, and anything that reeked of Bible, you're dead. So he was a cleansing. And look, it was up to 80, 90 million people he killed. My point is the Chinese don't draw back and worry about how many people they kill. They've killed them by the millions. I agree with that.

Pandemic or just murder or prisons. But I'm just not sure with what the obsession is other than I know the Robertson family is, no matter what happens in life, in our life, through the year since I was two years old, we have to assess blame before we can move on. Remember, I said possible sources. I didn't say the Chinese did it. I just said. I'm just making the point that it's not going to really affect what you do now in America

just because you know the exact source. How is that going to affect you? Well, it wouldn't. I mean, other than you hopefully can stop it for happening again. best point out was, why do so many of these things keep coming out of China? 15 out of 19. I just found that amazing. I think you're missing my point. But it's here. Okay, now we have it. So what are we going to do about it? I'm saying you may never know the reason. To me, it's just. My point is, I wish we could somehow transport ourselves to China and help these people figure out why they keep putting pandemics out of China.

Something's going on there. Somebody needs to look at. The argument, oh, the Chinese wouldn't do that to their own people, do this on purpose. I'm like, oh, they've done it before. They've killed millions of their own before. I think once the guy went to the square and tried in the idea of freedom, and they shot him on national TV, him and a lot more people, well, we knew they were capable of a lot of things. And that is my point.

And that's why I do commend people for sharing Jesus in China, because that's truly the way. Well, Jay, to your credit, we've pretty well, between the three of us here in about the last 10 minutes, we've pretty well laid out a deal on where it could have come from. I mean, we gave sources and said, well, it could come from here. God, he's done it before. China, they've done it before. We report, you decide.

Let's take a break. Well, what about First John, which I know we're way off what we were going to talk about? That's okay. John, four, still waiting on. First John, four, listen to this. because look, you hit a nerve with me because a lot of in religion, there's a lot of people going around in positions of authority. I mean, like preachers, pastors, teachers, and they're sharing with people what God told

them. It's happening. Now, look, here's me. I'm like, well, how do you know, how do we know this is from God? Because number one, I have a Bible. And if someone is sharing what God told them, and it's contrary to this, well, I'm already suspect. That's why my phraseology was possible sources. I don't know where they're standing at.

Targeting you. I'm just saying when you try to find the source of something, I just took that to me. I see that same kind of concept happening, like somebody speaking like, God told me this is where it came. All I have is the Bible. He doesn't speak to me audibly out here in woods. All I have is my Bible. And he said plenty.

And I think he said all he's going to say about it. And you did search the Bible for you. I'm not speaking directly to you. It just made me think of what people do. But I wanted to read this because it says, dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirit. to see whether they are from God. Yep.

Because many false prophets have gone out into the world. This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God. And this is my point. Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God. I'm going to always get any situation that whether it's a pandemic or a tornado, two totally different things. We've had both in the last couple of days. I'm telling you.

I mean, it's one thing I'm having to dodge a pandemic. Now I'm having to dodge a tornado. It's hard to dodge a tornado when they say, go down to the basement, you know, cover your head with a pillow like that's going to do something. But social distance on your way. Well, yeah. But stay six feet apart in case you get the coronavirus. I'm like. Wash your hands before you go to the basement.

Look, and Missy's parents sent a picture because they sit there like, hey, did y'all hear there's a tornado come? I mean, we're in the basement. You know, it's Missy and I, Mia, and Karina. You know, we're in our little lap dog. And they're like, let's go get biggin. And I'm like, that joker smells like the, you know, he's living out in the pen. I said, I can get another dog to get my ducks. I can't get another one I can cuddle with.

So the lap dog's in is clean. So, but they sent us a picture, Missy's parents. Well, her mom had a helmet on. They were in a closet. And she has a helmet on. Like a motorcycle helmet? No, like a football helmet. I'm not sure where they got it.

It's hilarious, you know. Falling limbs, I guess. Hey, we're in a tornado. But my point is that how does it, I get these things to relate to Jesus because I started off telling you that story. And you can read the rest of first John, but I'm like, I looked at my daughter

and I looked at Karina and I looked at Missy. they weren't panicked. I mean, they're like the tornado is imminent, though. You know, I mean, I just thought, and of course, Missy was like, hey, I'm ready, you know. And I thought, well, my daughter must be in a good place because she was, everyone seen. Well, you just heard a sermon where I talked about one of our weapons, as if resurrection weapons was no fear of death. That's what I was getting at.

I was like, it's resurrection day. and now we're under a tornado warning. I'm like, this is the invitation song to the sermon. I said, babe, this is the first time we had an invitation in weeks. The knowledge of the resurrection of Jesus, thereby promising us the same thing, it really comes to the forefront when a pandemic or a tornado is coming across the top of your house. Well, I'm glad I'm a child of the resurrection.

and just, if it's not true, hey, so be it. Right. But at least you have hope. Yeah, that was one of our points in our sermon, Mike and I, was that, you know, we get certain weapons, because we talked about how we've been fighting an invisible enemy ever since we became a Christian. So the idea of a pandemic to us, we get, hey, we get it.

There are forces that work against us you can't see. And I guess so we don't cause confusion. My whole point about this is, is you can spend your time trying to figure out the calls or the blame or people can talk about what God told them and all. No matter what the problem is, because we have many problems. I mean, the pandemic is a problem. We have our own personal problems. We have past sins that have caused problems.

You know, the tornado was coming. We were looking at it on the radar. And right when it got to us, it veered to the left. Now, you could say, well, you know, God did that. He saved us. You know, there it is. I got proof. Well, I can't prove that.

And what about the people? As I'm going to say, what about the folks that were in the veer? There were over 20 people that didn't make it. I saw one of the people that didn't make it was a deputy sheriff from Mississippi. And when I read the story, you know, he shielded his wife in an effort to save her life. And he did. But he died as a result of it. And I'm like, so people are looking.

When you start going down there. that road trying to assess blame and figure out why. I just think that's the wrong way to look at it. Don't focus on the problem is my point and the meaning of it. It's our reaction. The solution is always Jesus. My point in first John is that he's going to answer all those problems in some capacity. Okay, you get the coronavirus and you love Jesus and you die.

Guess what? You're coming back. Guess what? You can use having the disease to show how you're not working. about dying because Jesus is your Lord. I mean, and that's why I go back to the book of Job. That whole situation happened was because the evil one had a debate, which is I lean toward giving blame toward the evil one because of Ephesian 6.

Our struggle is not against flesh and blood. We start talking about the virus and what happens in your flesh and blood, and, you know, Paul said our battle is against the spiritual forces of evil. I just think they do more. And I think when I look at something as ugly as a virus attacking the elderly and those with already who are sickly, I just think that's so gross. I tend to lean toward that's from the evil one. That's just my way of thinking. Let's take a quick break.

So I agree with the big picture of that too, Jay's because there's no doubt when Job starts, the first kind of round of the stuff he went through. you remember he fell down and he worshipped God. And he just said, you know, I didn't come here with anything. I'm not leaving with anything. I still trust in you. And then you go through the whole book and it's 43, 42, 43 chapters long. At the end of the day, it was the same story. Like, you know, at the end of the thing, he just said, I still don't know, but I'm still not going to curse God.

It's an incredible story. He never really knew exactly what happened to him other than God just said, look, you got to trust me that I'm in choice. What's interesting is. Bruce Malone made the point in his book, have you considered evidence beyond reasonable doubt? He said, it's interesting that Joe got back the exact number of children that he lost. Restored his new family. Yeah, yeah.

And in other words, and you said, well, why he gave him the exact amount? Why didn't he double it? Because, you know, the first children were died. Yeah. Well, he gave him back the same amount. And Malone's point was the ones who had died were still alive. So he just gave him the same number. You should what I'm saying?

Well, that's true. And look, I don't want... Instead of giving him 20 new children, he just gave him the same amount that he had lost. But both groups were alive. I mean, I'm not sure what that means specifically, but I will say this. It's a pretty good point. I'm not sitting here saying that God doesn't discipline those. He loves.

You got Hebrews 12. Yeah, 12. it's clear. And you go in the Old Testament, as a father, you have to bring about pain to your children sometimes for them to learn a lesson. Look, trust me, I did it with my kids. It did not seem pleasant at the time. I think that's what the exact verse says, but later on. And to God's perspective, diseases and suffering and even death is not a problem. So the humans are the ones that have a hard time. relating to that because God is life. He is, you know, all the things we said he's love. I mean, everything's going to work itself out from an eternal perspective. And so for us, we struggle and get mad at God because we're like, well, why did he allow this to happen? In Job's case, that was the question. I mean, God was like, the evil one said, if you turn me loose, he'll, he's not going to follow you. And so, well, God knew that. So he follows you because,

you blessed him. If the blessings drive, he'll drive. What's interesting is Joe's friends, there's three or actually four friends that show up in this back and forth. And they were all convinced that Joe, you've messed up somehow. Well, wouldn't you think their whole speech was. That's why I brought up Joe, because that's what we do. And I'm talking about the Robertson family. Oh, something happens.

Somebody did it. We go to the duck blind and we talk four hours why you brought this on yourself. Not what are we going to do about it. And that's why I said we're such blame shifter. which it just annoys the heck out of my wife. You know what I mean? She's like, every time we get into an argument, she's like, have you not realized we don't have to figure out why

and whose fault this was when we can go on? I'm like, well, I'm just trying to, you know, figure it up. But I see myself doing the same thing. I want to analyze it. I'm like, no, what were you thinking? Why would you do this? Yeah, dad's famous line that started out so many conversations was, why would a man?

And then he goes into his thing. Well, let me just tell you this story. I would a man. Let me tell you this story. You think why do things happen and how people respond? All right, I go get some new tires on a truck. I'm 20 years old. On the family truck, I get new tires, and I'm going to pull into the gas station, fill it up with gas, the gas station that we always stop at.

It's the last trip, you know, on the way down here, 7 8 miles up the road. I'm 20 years old. I'm in a fog. you know, I'm thinking about whatever. We had... You were actually on your way home. You had gone to class that day, and I was sick. It didn't go, which is pertinent to the story because I probably saved my life.

But I just got any tires. Yeah, you did. And I had a, you know, that truck was a standard on the column. Yeah, standard on the column. And which, look, if you've never driven one of those, get off my back. Because it's not easy. So I was going to turn, there's a slight hill, into the store. door, I'm kind of in the days anyway.

Would you explain most of you were thinking of during that era? Yeah. I think I put it, you know, in neutral, whatever, which is in the middle, yeah, but I actually put it in second gear, which was straight up. I do remember, I think it was straight up. Yeah, it was straight up. Yeah. Low up, low.

And so, well, right when I did that, you know, the truck stalled. And you know how it would have right of where, blah, blah, well, but. about that time, here comes a truck with this long trailer. I mean, carrying thousands of pounds. Basically, the equivalent of an 18-wheeler going about 60 over that hill. I went, oh, boy. I mean, my... And you were broadside, right?

Well, I was kind of almost straight on, so I, in a hurry, tried to get it in first and move, but it stalled. And so basically all I did was go from it. He probably would have gone around me, but I just kind of, I didn't panic, but I was just like, let me get out of his way. You were very lucky. I got brought out. Well, that joker hits me, and they say I spun seven or eight times, bounced off the

telephone pole. You went out the passenger window and back in. I went out the wind. I do remember that because I remember at one time being, I was hanging waist out of the passenger window. I just remember that thought thinking, oh, wow. And so when it was all over, it basically. turn that truck into a sardine camp.

Oh, yeah. And so when I kind of came to, I didn't really pass out, but, you know how you kind of blackout and whatever during all that. Well, when I open my eyes, there's a guy with his head sticking in the driver's side. I'm on the passenger side, like below the glove box. Well, it was a guy we had baptized years ago who I knew had fallen away. So when I first saw him, I thought, oh, boy, I went to hell. because I knew that guy, I thought, I didn't make it.

How did I not make it? And look, his face was terrified looking at mine because I didn't realize my face was so bloody. You know, glass sticking all. You know, the bill of my cap actually saved my eyes because it went over my eyes. So I had glass hanging out my ear, you know, sticking out of my neck. I mean, it looked like I was just dead. And so then I was losing a lot of blood. so I kind of passed out a little bit.

Well, the next thing I remember, I open my eyes and here's Phil. They know somebody's called you. You remember that? Phil standing over me. Look, first thing I remember him saying, what were you thinking? I kid you not. I'm literally bleeding to death in the hospital. Phil's like, what were you thinking?

Why would a man turn into a parkland? Yeah, he's like, I mean, I look. I looked at it. I see the tire marks. I mean, you just pulled right out in front of him. I'm like, thanks, Phil. I'm dying here. Give me the odds of it. As I loaded in the ambulance, what are you thinking? So anyway, actually, can you believe that the only ailment I have besides cuts and bruises, which were pretty severe, but I mean, they healed up. I have a scar under my chin. Yeah, my chin that's really bad. But I really was fine. You know, my shoulder. was a, you know, I think I tore my labrum or whatever, but I mean, in the grand scheme of things.

You were very fortunate. Yeah. So let's take a break. So, you know, it's funny. So you told this story. So all this time I thought about it once you were okay and all that about if I had been with you. But then I thought about it later, when we were together, I usually drove.

So now I was thinking all this time, like it saved my life because I wasn't in there. But now I don't think, if I'd have been driving, I'd have been paying attention. And I'd have never had a wreck. I don't know. You know what's weird? I went to a weird. It's a dangerous little place. It is because there's a rise right there.

It's several weeks. There's ever wrecks there. There's 55 miles an hour and there's a rise. There's been several wrecks there. You know, one of my friends from school lost his life there in the same place. So it made me feel a little better about it, but not really. But you know what was weird is psychologically, you know, when you think about God working,

I had a problem for the next two or three years thinking, that I was indestructible because I am because of the Holy Spirit. No, that's true. But I did start doing crazier things. You were like the Bruce Willis character on that movie. I really struggled with that. You thought you were unbreakable. You know, I started doing more dangerous things.

It's like even in something silly, like frog hunting or whatever, where before I'd say, you know, I might break a leg if I'd jump over that log while the motor's going 20 miles an hour, where before I would, you know, there's some things that just wouldn't do. I just started doing them. So, but then. It's called the, the absence of common sense. I finally realize, you know what?

I have the Holy Spirit of God and God is for me, but I just don't want to die stupid. Yeah. So I need to back off of them. You don't want to have one of the, the redneck thing is hold my beer and watch this, famous last words, you know, over there. Well, I all get down to that John four. Oh, it's over. Oh, no, Phil.

We're not getting. That cow left the bar. We're at the too big continued mode of the podcast. But you know what? I think it was a good question to ask on why things happen. And I want to finish with this because we're going to get to John 9 eventually because we're in John 4 now. It may be next year, so hang on. Jesus had every opportunity in the world to answer that question.

Those Pharisees come up there. Here's this man born blind. and they specifically said, why did this happen? Whose fault that this person was born this way? Did we sin? Did he sin? Did his parents sin? Who's fault?

Somebody's sinned if he's blunt. It's like we have a drum roll moment and here Jesus can explain it. And what did he do? He did not answer the question. He didn't talk about why. He didn't blame shift. He ignored that. He said, this happened so that the work of God might be displayed in his life.

He went to the future. So that's my argument on our side of that. Always go, what are you going to do about it? How are you going to allow Jesus to be Lord of your life and how is this going to help you do the same thing with others and try to share Jesus with them so they can put it in their – put him in their life? That's where I'm always going to go to.

I agree 100%. And that's exactly what we preach about. At least an event won't shut you down because if you dwell on things, it shuts you down. You're just saying move forward. Look, that's why if the, if the mob of people panics, you know, we look at that and say, well, I'm not going to panic. Like, I mean, I'm a son of God. When everybody's hoard and we're like, well, I'm not going to hoard because God's going to provide.

I mean, it just. Am I going to go right? When I see those people right, when something happens, I think they need Jesus. That's right. Yeah. They don't get it. Look, what did the coronavirus and these tornadoes do that we didn't know? It reminded us that we're perishable.

we need Jesus more than we need the next breath of fresh air, as one of our friends always says. It's true. It didn't tell us anything. We may get sick and die. You might have died of the flu. You know, we don't go all up in arms about that, which is why people bring that up. But all it does is remind us on why we need Jesus. And you see the resiliency of people despite pain and suffering.

They're like, okay, yeah, I'm pleasurable. As we sign off today, I'll just, first of all, I want to thank everybody. I got a lot of emails. I'm sure Jace did. I got texts. A lot of people that follow the podcast, but also people around the country asking about us because they saw Monday or Louisiana. And everybody's like, oh, that's where the duck guys are from.

So thank you for that for checking in. We all came out fine in terms of. It came close. But we did get hammered. And our poor airport got hammered. So I don't know. Planes all tangled up. There won't be any flying out of there.

It's a good thing we're not doing. if we were doing a I saw big tree damage down here fortunately it just had fallen on the ground in my yard but not on top of the house there was some rumbling back up on my roof I don't know exactly how big they were but

we had a debate whether you and Kay had you know tried to go to the lowest place I never moved I said that so I can't wait till I see me I said let me tell you something Phil Robertson is sitting in his chair right now Probably in the dark. That's because the electricity's on.

No, he's got his gin back. I was in the dark for 10 seconds. The genera rack kicked on and I said. Genaract. So I do want to say this. We were spared. Our area was spared. Even though it was a lot of damage,

we had no fatalities here, which was a blessing for Washington Pairs. But I know that same storm system killed some people along the way. And so we just want to let the audience know. I know you may know some of those people. So we've been praying for you guys. And just pray that you can put things back together.

again as well. So we're so glad you guys were with us today. You can subscribe on iTunes or Spotify or YouTube or Facebook and be sure and rate us on iTunes so that other people can know about the podcast.