Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 797 | Phil Gives Missy Cooking Trauma & Miss Kay STILL Hasn’t Lived Down This Kitchen Flop

Episode Date: December 6, 2023

The guys look forward to their holiday plans while reliving some of the famous past failures. Jase and Missy’s life begins to look like a Hallmark movie, while Zach is still having to introduce himself at family gatherings. Phil once traumatized Missy in the kitchen, but she’s trying to overcome it this year! The guys delve into the story of Zacchaeus and how Jesus was able to reach him in a way no one else could have. Jase reckons Zacchaeus is the victim of the most offensive children’s Bible song ever! In this episode: Luke 19, verses 1-9; Ephesians 2, verse 14 https://philmerch.com — Get your “Unashamed” mugs, shirts, hats & hoodies! Own "The Blind: The True Story of the Robertson Family" on digital, DVD & Blu-ray today: https://theblindmovie.com/watch — Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? Welcome back to Unashamed. Still got the gang together. Zach has been frowned. I went and got me a coat because it's cold up here in North Carolina. Is it? That's why we've been shooting a duck, so it's cold to the north. Yeah, cold to the north.

I mean, Thanksgiving week. We're in a different flyway, but yeah, maybe there. I don't know, Phil. You said you found a duck one time from Maryland? Chesapeake Bay talked about. Yeah, Chesapeake Bay, they banded some ducks. Canvas back. 13 years later, one particular canvas back, Drake, lit with a, he had a fellow bunch with him about 20.

About 20 sat out on the water. I raised up, can't care with one, boom. And when I got him in the blind, I noticed he had a little piece, ring of, metal on his foot and the government put it there the numbers you couldn't read them it it didn't horn too much and it kind of had worn down in one spot I remember yeah it was so thin and it almost broke off one more year and he would have lost that that's made out of aluminum so I sent it to the state police to see if they could get the number run it through there and find out what they could make out of what that number was.

Yep. And they did. And they sent it back and they said, this was 13 years old. Hmm. It's how old this one was. Well, you must have been pretty, had quite a few years into your Christianity to trust sending anything to the state police or have anything to do with the federal authorities. Because when you were right out of the world, you weren't so, you know.

I don't mean I was running with officers with the state police. that was running from them. I made a movie about it called The Blind. Yes, the Blind. Look at you. We've talked about it here a few times. Blind, I'm thinking, well, I think they mean me. I found one.

That's just not figuring out. This thing was about me. I looked around and said, what just happened? I mean, whew. What does this mean the blind? What's crazy is I found one older than that, and I was using a metal detector treasure hunting. yard in Maryland and it came out to be a ralces goose it was about five inches under the ground in their

front yard there was no water anywhere near you think it was a dead you think it was a dead goose that had just decayed over time and died there buried probably someone had shot the goose that lived in that house before they were there is what I'm guessing and so I like an idiot you know we're doing the TV shows. I was like, the chances of this happening are one in millions, you know. And so the next week, we were in Mississippi. And Jep said, come over here, I want to show you something. He dug one up in another yard in Mississippi, bird ban. And he hasn't sent that one off yet. Oh, he found one of them. Yeah, we both found one in about five states apart. And you had never found one up into that point.

No. Well, I messed. They'd come off the duck's leg somehow. Yeah, I mean, you know. Could have been a barma, got the duck, and... Something ate it and then wound up there. So, Jay's, I forgot to tell you this. So the other night, I watched my first metal detecting show that's not a

Dut Family Treasure. Well, I appreciate that. I just happened to be somewhere, and when I turned the TV on, it was on. And so it drew me in. But this guy, you probably know the show. and I can't recall it now, but he is a diver, and he does all his metal detecting underwater. Yeah, amphibious.

Yeah, and so he was somewhere in Florida, and he had a guy with him, and they were trying to find a fishing rod that this guy's buddy or somebody had dropped in the water, but then the guy passed away, and so he's like always wanted to find that thing, so they went out, but they didn't find it. So I thought about your show because it was like,

They had the whole set up. I thought, well, sure they're going to find it. And the other day, I was like, well, you know, too deep. So you can't find it. Well, we had a couple places we went to that was not what history said it was. And one of them, it was a government document that said this was a famous place. And we went, no, nothing there but beer cans. And so, you know, what we decided was to run it and make you appreciate all the other episodes where we,

did find a lot of stuff, you know. So that's what happens in real reality TV. I had a guy I met in Missouri that I forgot to just now that said to give you a message. He listened to our podcast and we went spoke to his church. His name is Tim. But he said that somebody had given him access to hunt a field where, I mean this huge area where back there War II, you know, they'd set up these places. And so internment camps is what they were.

And so I think it was mostly Japanese Americans. It was really kind of sad what happened to him because, I mean, they're Americans, but because you were fighting Japan, they took all these people and put them into these huge camps. And so the place where this is, that camp was there, but now you look out there, everything was completely removed. So like people live there for like a year or however long they were there. And then they just totally removed everything. And he said it never been hunted before, but he said, you have to tell your brother,

maybe they can come. Well, let's get an address. Yes, I'll work on that. And a phone number. I'll have my people call your people. We can do lunch. Well, in other news, a woman drove her and her husband, about 200 miles to get to where I was giving a lesson Sunday morning. And she whispered in my ear, you were right about those telephones.

She said, will you baptize me? I said, yeah, I said, I will. I like the way dad led down with that. Another breaking news. Well, I do. A woman agree with me on cell phone. I do have some breaking news. Uh-oh.

So the order you get you have to transition. Maddie, we need a breaking news button now. Now that you've got the cricket one. Breaking news. We need a breaking news button. Work on that, Maddie. Make that happen for when we get to 800 episodes. When you get older, your immediate family grows long.

larger. And so now we're making a transition this year. We're doing Christmas in Nashville. Christmas. That sounds like a Hallmart movie. Three of my kids live in the Nashville. Yeah, your family now is Tennessee. So I thought about that.

Of course, the TV crew, they want to film this. They've got to get it on camera. Chaos. You know, you don't have. But this may be a Hallmart movie by the time it's. Well, it's a. What spawned the whole episode idea is one of the producers happened to overhear a conversation of me and my wife. And look, we love each other.

We've been married over 30 years, but we're so different in everything outside of Jesus and our kids that sometimes our relationship is combustible. And she wanted to do Christmas in Nashville with the kids. and I was like, great, what are we going to eat? Because part of the great... That's the first thing I Robertson wanted to ask. Well, because I'm looking around because it's... We know how we eat. It's like you out the other day on a podcast a couple of podcasts ago.

You gave me a gift. You gave me and Phil each one. I did. A homemade cream cheese, pecan crumbly crust, crafted... Have you partaken yet? No, I hate to tell you this. because I have the Langhoeffers staying with me this week.

And you wanted to hide that pie. Now, they wanted to hide it, and they hit it in the... You all ate at one setty? Oh, yeah. Look, so we ate beans and rice. Last night, you know, they flew in. I went and picked them up at the airport.

I played the game. Two planes landed within a couple minutes of each other at the Monroe Airport, which caused chaos. Oh, it's, we're overwhelmed with two planes. I kept circling the area because every protocol and rule that we're supposed to be following about leaving parked vehicles right out there, they had the, I could tell the people, they just said, well, if we all do it, there's only one cop car here. What could he possibly do?

And so I strategically moved as close as possible for about 30 minutes just to try to get them. And then we, I hauled them all. We ate the beans and rice. and I had that pie, and I just thought, well, the Lord tells you to be hospitable. I put that pie out. Did they inhale? It was like, where's the other one? I said, nope, that was it.

That was the treat. It was a gift from my brother, Al. I hope y'all enjoyed it. Al didn't know that his mother didn't know that he had delivered one of those. To you. Do you have any of that pie left? To you, yeah. To you and you only.

This case didn't even know we had the pie. Did you not even get a piece? When I brought that pie up, she looked around there. She said, is it, is you got it in there? I said, yeah. She said, well, you bring me a piece? So I went in there. And she said, that has to be the best pie I've ever put my mouth.

Oh, it was good. And what's funny is? What kind of pie was it again now? It was a cream cheese. Al's famous. He's made them for years of tradition. He's not a norah berries. I mean, cherries.

Cherries. Cherries are a coat some. So here's what happens at. So I make those for Thanksgiving and Christmas because they're very time intensive. And to make them the way that they turn out perfect, you basically do it over a two-day period because things have to be thawed and softened correctly. People try to, you take a shortcut. You have to kind of set. They got a set.

If you try to take a shortcut with this pie, it's not going to be as good. So I take my time. I make it perfect. But Jace and Dad were the fortunate ones because we're going to be gone on Thanksgiving, so I won't be making them this year. But Carly, my oldest granddaughter, who turns 18 this week, asked for that pie. And so my thinking on the pie is if I got to make one and set up and do all this work, I might as well make three or four.

And so I made three. And I gave one to Dad and Jace because we were all getting met together for the podcast, duck season was starting and we're about to be off. And so I'm so giddy and happy I made them a pie. So back to my story, when I said, what are we going to eat? I said, you know, we have a tradition if we're going to have Christmas. You know, and we decided we're going to treasure the guys are going to treasure hunt. And Misty said, well, we'll cook.

How about that? And I was like, well, we need something to carry on the legacy of the Robertson Christmas because we cook seafood instead of the normal. boring stuff that a lot of people do in the world. Sometimes duck and dressing. Well, yeah. And she said, well, what do you want? I said, I won't want to miss Gays crawfish pies.

I mean, that's, that's dangerous. And so that conversation that the producer overheard, she said, now this is must watch TV. And y'all do this again. I said, do what again? It said, have this conversation because it escalated quickly. because Missy's like well I mean what do you want a Christmas miracle

I said now we're talking yeah and so you ask what I want everyone is nervous about it you know so now Missy is attempting mom's crawfish but you gotta remember

missy she mastered her meat love so you know Missy was here and Phil since you've you know come out and shared all your dirty laundry on that movie The Blind which was about you I will go ahead and tell this story

But Missy brought up the infamous story about the Christmas that Kay ruined because she fried the shrimp too long. The shrimp lots. So Missy was there. You got to remember from her perspective. She's got PTSD. Yeah. She does. It's post-traumatic syndrome.

I was 25 years ago. And to this day. She never forgot it. To this day, I said, Phil, you read it with the shrimp? I mean, there is not even. a hint that somebody besides me, because Oswald won't that said, I don't know what she did to these shrimp. No, you said she cooked them too long.

Well, for 25 years, every time we cook the shrimp, this comes up. So that's why it's right now. So Missy said, remember that time when Kay ruined, this was part of the conversation the producer heard. And she's like, what are y'all talking about shrimp that was cooked 25 years ago? I was like, yep, my mom, for whatever reason, decided to get the shrimp started. And Phil walked in while she was cooking and went, nope.

The Robertson family inhaled 12 pounds of shrimp. It wasn't like they were thrown in the yard. No, they were all eaten. Right. But every bite you could hear Phil saying, too long, too long. If you cook shrimp in peanut oil at 400 degrees over one minute, that's too long. Too low. Way too long.

So it became funny and everybody was laughing. But Missy was horrified because she said, I will never cook anything at y'all's Christmas get-togethers. I'm out. So now that she has the crawfish pie that's been ordered, and now her and Jessica are going to do it for the sake of good TV. They're going to try it because I told the producer, I said, Now look, if this doesn't go well, don't panic. And she's like, oh, no, people love to see you climb the mountain, and they love watching the train go off the rails.

I had fried shrimp last night for the woman that works on Ms. Kay's help and whatever, you know, they work out, you know, whatever. But I've had some big shrimp. Well, I can't believe they endorse frying shrimp part of the health plan. Well, I think she's talking about the one who helps her by getting her pills together and all that. Oh, okay. She's mom's assistant. I just walked by, and Ms. Kay and I were just took them off the stove, eating them, you know.

They cook about just minutes, two or three minutes. They're quick. Yeah. They were large shrimp. I just walked by and put about four or five in a bowl there. They were the big shrimp And I just walked by and handed them To that girl

I said try them She looked up and she said Can I take some of these home Give them to mama I said yeah you do it Well that was a Very nice Yeah

No dad's fried shrimp Are fantastic And J's too They are Because they don't cook them too long So they say super tender And it's just got the perfect crunch on it That's what makes it great

Most people including restaurants, way over cooked shrimp. Way overcook them. And so they get rubbery and they're not good. But what I was going to say is I think, you know, a lot of people, the bigger your family gets the more dazed that you have to set aside for Christmas celebration. No doubt.

Now that I'm traveling hundreds of miles. So I'm not sure. Maybe that's why they give you about a week off, I guess. Just for all the celebration. I just never thought that I would be doing that. Well, but here's what's happened to our family and, you know, and we're blessed because we're all still together and mom and dad are still active. But we've gotten so big because all five of your children now, Dad, are patriarchs and matriarchs because we all have grandchildren. And so except for, except for a 50.

No, it's 59. 59. 59. We counted it up the other day because we got Philis's 159 with all the descendants of, what is that? That's just dad's five. And, of course, what's happened is because of Jace and Carina and Willie and... Well, we picked up... We picked up some adoptions and some acquisitions along the way. That's right.

But they're all family, of course. And so that's what's put us up to almost 60. And so the next grandchild will push us over to 60. So what happens is it's hard to plan for that many and to house that many people in one time. Well, the last Thanksgiving, I introduced myself to at least 30. people. Well, Thanksgiving meal. There were 30 people that they had either, you know, had a rough couple years and I didn't

recognize them or because I was that guy going around. When I'm going around and I have no idea of their names. Oh, I know. I'm trying to think of a name. I think that could be more of a, you know. Could be what is that? It could be more of a Robertson trade. I hunted beside one of our family members this morning.

and I didn't know his name. So I just called him Sadie's Man. That's where I was all morning. I said, hey, Sadie's Man. No, he did do that, which was embarrassing. Well, I remembered his name, but I kept calling the cameraman, cameraman, because I couldn't remember him. And you didn't know Jersey Joe was actually a Joe.

No. So it was just a complete mess today. That's a Robertson trait. I remember one year, it's probably been 10 years ago. We were at White's Ferry Road. Uncle Tommy came to church and he introduced himself to Melissa and she got so mad that he didn't recognize his own knees. Well, well, he said for this Thanksgiving, we needed name tags. And I said, well, who's going to be in charge of security?

Because I don't even know these people are. Well, and just for our audience to know. So on Thanksgiving. Very seldom do just the Robertsons meet as a group. So two things happen. on Thanksgiving, it's expanded to our local cousins, but then also mostly Willie, but some people invite other people. And so there may be, there's always people there. I don't know either.

But the fact that we're going to film this, I think will be interesting. Well, I think the middle part, just watching mom and dad cook it through the years, they don't have a problem with. The biggest trick will be getting the crust right, because, I mean, that's what makes it is such, is the crust. has to be just on because it's completely encased in mom's crust like her pie crust that's going to be the trick because that's hard to make that's hard to do so really i mean it's a cliffhanger it's a cliffhanger i can't wait to hear when does the when does the episode air when will this episode the crawfish pie christmas yeah because it'll be a show they're gonna off there i think they're access since it's a christmas episode i think they're gonna offer it on december 17th on like

Fox News on a Sunday night where everybody can watch it. Oh, yeah. So you won't miss it. Look, just think how dangerous that movie is. They said this year, you know, it's a pretty big network. They're saying for the Christmas, for everyone in the spirit of Christmas, we're going to let the duck family treasure guys be in charge of whether we're going to have a good Christmas vibe or not.

So really, I told Missy, I was like, look, I mean, it all comes down to you. I think y'all will pull it off because let's face it. I mean, Fox News, they got the Christmas light, the lighting of the Christmas tree and then Ducey's Christmas treats. I mean, the bar is low there, Judge. You're, y'all are going to knock that out of the park. That's going to be good. Even with a crawfish pie debacle, I still think that they'll, you know.

So you don't believe that. So, Zach, you're saying it's going to be a, what are you, what's your, let's all make a prediction. So then we find out whether we're right. So do they pull it off? Is it Robertson left? It's got to be pull it off. It's got to be, that doesn't have to be as good as mine,

but it's got to be in the realm of mom's selfish. Well, trust me, I'm going to be honest. I know you were. I told them that. I was like, because if you don't, I'll be eating bad crawfish pie the rest of my life. So I won't do it. I'll sacrifice it.

I would say since it's got to be done with all the circus that there is in making a because it is been filmed, that's true. That it's going to be hard to pull off. So you think it's better than half chance, Zach, or less that it's high quality. I mean, I'll be honestly,

it's, it's the, if it weren't for the meatloaf, I would say, it's not going to happen. But I will say that the meatloaf, the last time I was with you guys, Missy made the meatloaf.

She pulled it up. And I was, I was shockingly surprised. It was, it was. So I'm kind of like, I think she can do it. If she doesn't,

Jace, here's my advice. Just remind the viewers, the reason for the season. and it's about Jesus. Get away from the crawfish pie, point them back to Jesus, if it doesn't work.

You have an escape hatch. That's right. I'm shooting for the moon. I'm shooting for, they pull it off. It's a Christmas miracle. It's a Christmas miracle of sorts, supernatural intervention.

And then we make it about Jesus. I mean, there's been thousands of episodes about Christmas, so we'll see if we can. I predict that this will be such a smash success that one day they'll make a movie about it on Hallmark, the miracle in Franklin. And it'll be about Missy's Crawfish Pie. So what do you think, Dad?

Will they pull it off? They're going to pull it off. I can't believe you are that positive. We're very positive. And remind Missy of that, whichever way it goes. I'm not bringing it up again until it happens. I'm responsible for, I'd have to have somebody lift it. They now can't lift because it is huge.

And dressing. and the pot is this like this. No, it's like a wash tub. So it's about two cooks of cornbread. Well, we're in Luke 19. All right, Luke 19. We finally got there. Zacchaeus.

And Zach, you know, his short name, I'm sure, was Zach. Oh, yeah. Don't you think? I've been called Zacchaeus many, many, many, many, many times of my life. Do you remember the words? Have you ever noticed? Well, you're not short. Have you ever noticed?

I noticed in the Gospels, in the Gospels and other places like we read now, Zichias Jones. No, Zichias somebody. No, just Zichias. I just noticed. That sounds like he should be a singer. Peter, what was his last name? Rock. What was Mark's last name?

We don't know. Any of them. What was Luke's last name? It was Saul's life. Back then, Saul of Tarsus. Yeah. So. That was the culture back then.

They're representing Jesus, but none of them was called by their first name. They were all single names. Single names. Maybe they didn't. I've often wondered why that is. That could have been Elvis, Prince, Madonna, Cher, you get to a certain level. Phil. That's there.

That's got at a level of a single name. They don't say Mr. Robertson. They just say that. Phillip, I looked up Philip, but no Robertson. Yeah. No last name. And I'm on it. I'll look at it.

Zachius Jones. Now that sounds like that could have been a single. from the 70s. Yeah. I just wondered why the Almighty didn't, didn't, didn't. You know, maybe he didn't want them to be, their lineage to be worship. Maybe that was it. Yeah.

If you had a phone, you could look it up. But you don't have a vote. So is Zach, is Zach short for Zachary? Or Zachariah? What's your full name? You really don't know my full name? I don't. Is it Zachary?

Again. Again. Let me introduce myself. I've never heard anybody call you by your formal name. I don't even know your middle. What's your middle name? Zachary. I'm assuming it's Zachary.

Yeah, it's Zachary. Zachary, Zachary Dasher. What's your middle name? Michael. Zachary Michael. I never knew that. Did you know that? No.

Zachary Michael. Until right now. Phil used to call me Zachary Taylor. That's why I thought it was Zachary because he used to call you Zachary Taylor. Do you remember call him that? No. That's what you called him all the time he was young. Zachary Taylor was a from Louisiana was a president was he a yeah the president and he he was from or at least he spent time in Louisiana during the Civil War I think

Zachary Taylor but you used to call him that when he was yeah I remember that I remember now that in history yeah where I got that yeah he was part of the fighting tigers I think they called him from down south Louisiana in the Civil War Zachary do you know who you're named after is that I think it was just a cool name back in the late 70s. Now, Michael's your dad, right? Your dad's name Michael, too? Yeah. See, I know more about you, and you think. I appreciate that. Yeah, so I'm looking out for you.

So, it's on my search, I don't think they know. So what I think, but I think Luke 19 and Luke 15 really go well together. Yeah. I mean, my favorite is Luke 15, but I mean, Luke 19, when Jesus says, you know, I came to seek and to save the loss. I mean, that was the reason he told the three parables,

It was all based on a situation where he was eating with people that religious people did not think he should be eating with. I talked about that in my sermon last week. That's why I called it the pursuer of all things lost because, and I think we talked about this when we studied that text, Zach May have brought this up, that from a Western mindset, we tend to look at it as the lost person, like the lost. son like what do we need to do from the eastern mindset it was really all about the pursuer it was that god was pursuing them which really is way more in context for what well that sounds sums up christianity it does that's exactly right yeah i mean because everybody thinks oh it's a process you know got to stick to the process you got to stick to the process well what process was this i mean you got a tax collector Zachias who had

he had taken a lot of people's money dishonestly he's working for the Roman government he's hated and in one act Jesus completely transforms his view of money, his life

and Jesus didn't it wasn't like he was he went to his house and waited for him to straighten up or come to his senses he said salvation has come to your house because I'm here. There's something about people because you know if you you go start going down this road it just occurred to me by the way

about two or three weeks ago you know you'd say i mean abraham jones it takes take something away you see what i'm saying peter smith maybe mattie can figure this out for us so let me read this Jesus entered Jericho and was passing through. A man was there by the name of Zacchaeus. He was a chief tax collector and was wealthy. He wanted to see who Jesus was, but being a short man, he could not because of the crowd. So he ran ahead, climbed a sycamore fig tree to see him since Jesus was coming that way. When Jesus reached the spot, he looked up and said,

Zacchaeus, come down immediately. I must stay at your house today. So he knew his name. So he came down at once and welcomed him gladly. I mean, this is probably the first person in years that had ever befriended him. Yep, I agree. All the people saw this and began to mutter, which is a similar, Luke 15, they were muttering when Jesus was eating with the text. Dad, I said this in my sermon.

You know, a mutter is under your breath. You're not happy. And I told the story about you in New Zealand. when you heard the mutter. That's what that was. Why were they muttering? The entire thousand, about a thousand of them out there, about a thousand of them,

it was a sound. You were sharing Jesus in a public, secular sight. I asked someone there, I said, what's that murmuring all of that? He said, they don't like what you're saying. I said, about Jesus? He said, that's right. When I got back home when we left New Zealand,

somebody had a cell phone. I don't, but they sent via that cell phone. They said, we love what you said, and it's solely needed. But the reason we just murmured with the rest of them is we didn't want their reaction. I mean, the heat. So that was peer, that was peer muttering. That's right.

Well, it comes from you uttering. It was a murmur. It's uttering in a mumbling way of dissatisfaction. Yeah, that's right. You combine utter and mumbling. They were telling me, you know, I build duck calls, and I was showing them how to use duck calls. Right. But from that, I said, well, I got them in one roof.

I'll just preach a gospel to them. I was shocked that so many started murmuring. But one of them came by while I was there. before I left, and he looked in every direction, and he said, we appreciate what you said. And then he started walking off real fast. But why was he lowering his voice? He didn't want anybody to hear him.

Exactly. I didn't want anybody to hear. I never had run up on that before. I know. It's right. Not to be confused with a mutter when you take a vehicle and find a wet field and drive through it. Yeah, that's a mutter. You're muttering through the field.

M-U-D-D-E. D. So then he says, they were muttering because he has gone to be the guest of a sinner. Which is your link back to 15. But Zacchaeus stood up and said to the Lord, look, Lord, I think that was a key word. Yep. Here and now, I give half of my possessions to the poor, which is a totally different response than the rich young ruler. And not requested. Not requested.

Right. And if I've cheated anybody, which... He had. Out of anything, I will pay back four times the amount. Jesus said to him, today, salvation has come to this house. That's because Jesus was there. Because this man, too, is the son of Abraham. For the son of man came to seek and to save what was lost.

One thing I was I was want to say was Luke is the only gospel writer. that includes the story of Zekees. Matthew, Mark, nor John mentioned Zekees. So Luke's the only one. And I think there's some reasons behind that. One is I think because it's the third one of these encounters before Jesus goes into Jerusalem, I think Luke was definitely wanting to point back to the situation with the rich young ruler and show the antithesis of the way we should be, right?

And also show that money is not the problem. The problem is surrender. And so I think that's why Luke included the story, because remember, he's writing to Gentiles. And I'm sure that Gentiles in the first century world were more affluent than the Jewish, you know, people were because a lot of those were independent. They weren't, you know, they were Romans. So I think there's some reasons why he did this. I think Luke's trying to make the point that, look, it's about the surrender and the heart, not necessarily about the idea of money. Because what Luke knew, and he was right, and Jace mentioned this before,

is that people would do sermon after sermon after sermon through these texts about money, and it's not about money. It's so much bigger. It's what I said. The Bible is about Jesus. Genesis to Malachi, Jesus is coming. The son of man is coming. The son of David is coming.

Help is coming. His name is Jesus. Matthew through John. He's here. The king has come. He's the son. of God. Acts to the Revelation. He's coming back. He's at the right hand of God. That's right. He's won the battle that we're fighting every day. It's over because he's on the throne.

So I mean, it's about Jesus. So our correct staff of one, Maddie. Maddie. So it was a cultural thing, the names, the last next. I'm sure people on the edge of their seat. So this is good water cooler information. Culturally, during Jesus' lifetime, the Jews didn't use formal surnames to distinguish people from each other. Last names weren't commonplace in the area or culture. What they did do was use names like Jesus' son of Joseph, Jesus, son of Mary, Peter, Simon, son of Jonah,

James, son of Zebedee. They would say that or... Where they were from. Where they were from is the other one. Judas Oskirot, Mary Magdalene. All of Tarsus. Paul. There you go.

So that's just what they did. So it was either who you belong to or where you were from. Kudos to a little blindy back out. Blondie is impressive. She's like a little hamster back there. She's running in the wheels. She's a brain. Yeah, she's always working.

Or she knows how to look up things on the end. If we wanted to get back to, you know, New Testament, Christian, during the transition from the old. You would be Jay's son of Phil. Jay's son of Phil. Jace of Rustin. Because I was born on the side of the road after they were traveling through Rustin.

That's what my mom told me at first for years. We pulled over. Well, because she was trying to make, she was trying to get me to be thankful. And she's like, we pull over on the side of the road and I birthed you. And that's you were born in Rustin. So later on,

I found out that she was only embellishing for dramatic purposes. It was because you were born the same hospital I was. Exactly. And Phyllis, by the way. Zach, you're on mute, but we could play this game for a while. Oh, I was like, I was saying that's funny. That's actually really hilarious. Well, that was the relationship, that Mom and Jay's had all through his childhood was just like that.

But they just went not too far back and said, the son of but but but there's no not much digging into where they came from what what they were part of just it's just no i mean it's a culture look look here's what's amazing about the bible is that the bible transitions and fits in any culture yeah it's it's crazy how it applies just think of having a manuscript no other book has done all the cultural differences that we're all experiencing, you can figure it out. Yeah. It's amazing.

It is. Which tells you what we all know is it has to be of divine origin to be able to do that. Human origin books don't do that. They speak to the generations they're speaking to in that culture. And that's pretty much it. A few things may have crossed over, but not many. Well, it just shows you that the major problems of humanity are always the major problems of humanity.

That's right. And even despite incredible cultural differences, it still applies. But things mean more. It is for everybody. Yeah, when you understand the culture, which he was writing, but it doesn't mean that it does apply to our culture, because we still have the same sin problem. We still have the same death problem. Look, we're divided.

We still have racism. We still have degrees of power as far as. as, you know, even, you know, like a lot of times the Bible refer to slaves and different things like that. I mean, look, it's unfortunately been a part of our culture since the beginning of time. People want to feel like they're better than somebody else, and they've given a variety of reasons to make that case. That's why Jesus really answers all political problems, social problems, economic problems. I mean, all these things, but that's not his thrust. his thrust is you know i'll make you a family i'll give you a purpose and i'll i'll take you with me and we'll live

forever and by the way we'll also answer all these problems that you have because i'll bring people together instead of you know separate and divisions do happen but it's all revolving around who he is right but you can't say that that the reason you didn't make it to heaven or the reason you don't have a purpose on life. You can't say it wasn't because Jesus didn't pursue you and it's not that he doesn't love you. Isn't it in Ephesians 2 that said

the gospel is the great mystery of bringing together Jew and Gentile, which is everybody? I mean, that's the idea. From the perspective of God there was the Jewish people and then there was everybody else. I mean, why is he... Last name not needed. Not needed.

Now, why is he picking this guy of all the people? And look, this poor fella, I mean, in heaven, which it certainly looks like he will be there, he was a victim of the most offensive kid song ever. I mean, that song, you know, Zachias was a wee little man. I was wondering if y'all remember that song. A thousand years later, they're still singing that. Can you, do you all the words of it? And a wee little man was he. He climbed up in the sycamore tree for the Lord he wanted to

see. And the Lord came walking and said, Hey, Keas, you come down from that tree. Because I'm going to your house today. That's it. That's it. Because I'm going to. Yeah, I don't know how long that song's been around, but I thought it.

Why not make the song about the point of it? Not that he was wee. He climbed a tree, which I do think that he put himself out there. But I think you think, well, break this down for us. What got Zakeas's attention? is that Jesus didn't hold what he had done against him. He loved him in spite of it. Diakeas overcame the crowd and the embarrassment of it all.

I mean, he's up in a tree. It's one thing to be short. It's another thing to be really short, be a tax collector, and then put yourself in a situation where everyone is going to notice. Yeah. And so that, I just think that shows how isolated he was from relationships. no longer cared what people thought because he had been ridiculed mercilessly. And here's this celebrity because he was curious about Jesus because he wanted to see him. He had heard about the miracles.

I mean, you're just kind of putting two and two together, but that's what happened. And then here's this famous guy who's actually not throwing haymakers at him, not treating him with hate and disgust, but saying, look, I'm going to your house. Because back in their culture, looking at cultural things, when you ate a man, meal with someone. I mean, that is the greatest friendship that you can offer. That means you're, you're in my life here where I'm at. You know, I thought it weird that Luke was the only one that included Zacchaeus because I would think Matthew, for sure, would have wanted to put this story into his gospel because he can relate to this guy, right? I mean, Matthew was was Zechias

before there was a Zakias. I mean, this is true grace. This is true conversion. This is a lightning boat moment. It basically says this is what you should do, seek and find. Yeah. But you need to do some seeking. Well, and here's the interesting point about this. This guy climbing a tree. Zichias wanted to see Jesus, but Jesus came there to see him too because he knew his name

and he told him he's coming to his house. Now, where does that intel come from? I mean, is that just something he knew? Because he went there and he said, watch this? Or did somebody say, hey, there's a. guy here in this town that is seeking, I don't know. I mean, it doesn't say, but he knew who he was. Well, you just think of the passages.

I mean, when he says in St. Peter 3, 9, where the second part where he says, God is patient with you not wanting anyone to perish. I mean, this is a perfect example. This is not the type of guy that we want on our team. Yeah. A modern-day tax collector, especially in their culture. But I thought about the one in 1 John 4 when it says, this is love, not that we love God, but that Jesus loved us. This process of him going to his house kind of really makes a lot of religions look bad.

Because most of them say, look, if you work hard and you try hard and you repent, and Jesus just showed up, said salvation has shown up. Because in essence, what Jesus is introducing is how we respond to his grace, his love, his acceptance. And how did he respond? All of a sudden, it completely changed his view of money. You could have tried anything else under the sun, and I guarantee it wouldn't work. But the love and relationship of the son of God offered to him and him being open-minded to it. And I think Jesus willing to risk his reputation by going to his house. Yep, that was a big part of it.

That's what got his attention. Yeah, the muttering, the muttering was he went into the house. Remember, this is a culture you couldn't go into a Gentile's house at all as a Jew. And then they took it a step further in the gray area and said, you can't even go into someone's house who is associating with Gentiles. And this is where Zachius would have fit into. But instead, Jesus shows you that in the gray area, and they're not, this area of gray, he's always going to go to grace. And so he doesn't have a problem going into this

house. The verse I was mentioning Erd, I wanted to read it, because it really does fit well in this Sykees theme, Ephesians 214, for He Christ himself is our peace who has made the two one and destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility by abolishing in his flesh the law. And it's still here. Yeah. Still here. Still here. Well, and it's very powerful because this is one of the few conversions where this guy's not desperate. He has worldly wealth.

He's doing whatever he wants. You know, they attached sex limerality to tax collectors so much back in their day because they did have that kind of power. Sure. But so you get the idea that a lot of the people who were just miracle chasers back in Jesus' day, you know, where were they at when Jesus was being. crucified. They weren't acknowledging Jesus as Lord anymore. No. And so it really shows you a picture of a lot of people want the benefits of what Jesus has to offer without wanting him. Yeah. And in this moment, that really shows you the links that God would go to to save us when, you know, to be humiliated. I mean, it was a picture of his humiliation because I guarantee you when he took off to that tax

collector's house, you don't want some murmuring and mud. That's right. Who do you think you are? I mean, whatever, you're a hypocrite is what you are. And what's interesting is what he doesn't say is, and I'm going to quit collecting taxes. He didn't say that. No. And Jesus didn't ask him to. That's interesting, because from the perspective of the religious hierarchy of the day,

he couldn't continue collecting taxes for the Romans and what he was doing and be right. So once again, Jesus never even addressed that. Yeah. He just went straight to the heart. So they give me my cheesy line. It's not about the process. It's about the processor. And it's like God's not trying to give you the recipe.

Yeah. He gave you the chef. It always comes to it. You know, there is such a thing in salvation. And it's not a plan. It's a man who came to earth. And he executed his plan. But it's a plan.

but it's a person. That's why it gets back when people say that about it's about relationships, but they don't really clarify how. But this is the perfect picture of that. Yeah. Now, I like that line of the processor because that makes me think about a computer. You know,

and we always talk about dad, especially about how bad they are, but they're just a tool that can be used for good or for evil. Well, I've always said I'm a, I don't focus on results. I'll focus on the journey, but this journey is,

you following Jesus Christ. That's it. So I just think we want to hear the 10 things that I need to do to, you know, overcome whatever. Well, it starts with a guy named Jesus. Yep. I don't know what else. You read this story and it's so profound.

It's like, this is why I came right here. And he picked the worst human being that we can think of. Yep. a corrupt, isolated, arrogant guy who's taking money out of good people's pockets. He's like, I'm going to go eat lunch at your house. They're still hanging around last time I checked. That's exactly right. All right, we're out of time.

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