Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 8 | Miracles, Beach Vacations, and the Origin of Sin

Episode Date: June 16, 2019

Willie and Jase don’t share the same definition of a miracle. Phil sits out the family beach trip every year: “It wouldn’t be hell, but close to it.” The guys also discuss the origins of sin. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? So today, we are here to talk about unashamed as we do. We get together with our crew, our posse out there that's watching and listening. We appreciate you guys a lot. It's fun for us to be able to get together. And, you know, we basically, you know, our prep for what we're doing on the podcast, we started when we were kids,

Jace. I was fixing to say prep. I've been prepping for this my whole lot. That's why we did because it was basically a Bible study. I mean, once dad became a Christian, it was a Bible study at the dinner table for lunch and dinner. You know, when we were kids, especially in the summertime, we were working for Docomander.

With my grandparents, Jason and I'd be down there. And, of course, we'd talk about the Bible for a while. Then we'd play a few games of Dominoes. Then we'd go work. Then we're back. I mean, it's just like, lifestyle-led approach. And having even, you know, arguments.

Oh, yeah. But, you know, you're communicating. That's how you learn. That's right. Willie and I other day, I mean, we had a knockdown drag out. I don't even forgot what it was, you know. It was like one of the matters, you know, because Willie gets so emotional about it.

All of a sudden, it's personal, you know. I'm like attacking everything. And then, you know. Have you ever heard Willie say I can just, we can just agree to disagree? I mean, it's got to be you either win the argument or it carries to the next time we bring this up. We were at the beach and we, you know what the argument was over? The argument was one of the pastors used the phrase. He said it was a miracle.

And so I said wasn't a miracle. And Willie is just like, what are you talking about? I mean, and he laid out whatever the situation was. I was like, oh, that was supernatural. That was God working. But a miracle is something that is undeniable. You know, we always say even an unbeliever. Like you don't have an arm and then you go, bam, and you have an arm.

It's like it would take atoms and molecules in a... Guy's been laying next to a pool. His legs are shriveled up because he hadn't walked in 40 years. And then all of a sudden his legs become whole. He gets up running off skipping. Like movie stuff, you know, like only you see in the movie. And so he was, so we had this argument. Well, he kept saying, how can you not say that was a miracle?

It was something like the guy had prayed and, you know, they wanted whatever it was. I was like, it was awesome. It wasn't a miracle. And so he was like the argument was, you know, do miracles happen? I was like, well, God works. There's no doubt about it. The supernatural works. But I was just looking at the word miracle.

A miracle was something that Jesus did, the people he laid hands on that was undeniable. You know, there's even groups today who don't believe in God. They'll offer, I don't know, was it, million dollars or whatever, if you do a miracle, which the people who say, well, the miracles still happen, I'm saying, I'm not saying God doesn't work. But when you call something a miracle, it has to be undeniable. Whether you were a believer or not. Yeah. Everybody recognizes. It's basically how to define miracle, but everybody gets so testy when all of a sudden you say, well, that wasn't a miracle.

And I'm like, oh, no, that was awesome. Yes, it was God. It was providential. Yeah. But you were calling it a miracle. I just think he used the wrong word. He used the wrong word. But anyway, it was, I mean.

It was classic. So, Dad, so we're at the beach. You know, we go every year, all of your family, all of your progeny. goes to the beach. But you've never gone to the beach. We've been going 25 plus years, almost 30. I think so. And I've grown to love it.

I mean, I was kind of like Phil, the outdoorsman. I mean, it basically has everything I don't really like heat, sand. So why do you not tell us what? Tell our audience. Because most people are like, is your dad here? And I'm like, no, he doesn't come to the beach. So tell the folks why you don't come to the beach. Well, you're looking at an ocean of water.

None of it is drinkable. So you can't drink the water, but there's a lot of it. Sand getting in ever-orface of your body. Irritation sets in. Blazing hot sun, burning your flesh, everything that's not covered. Have naked women running around. You got a bunch of kin folks all together crowded up into one little spot. I would say it wouldn't be hell, but just close to it.

So I've decided I'll just stay down here in the big shade trees where we are and just relax while all that's going on. I notice that when y'all come back from a vacation, I mean, the women, they're huffing and puffing, and they fall back in there and they sleep for a couple days. I mean, I can tell it was a trying experience. Any way you want to slice it. Especially with mom, the older you get, it definitely is.

How many people are there that have to be fed, cared for, sleeping quarters? Got like 40 plus. Yeah, one house. One house for a week. One big house. Think about 40 people. So it's amazing that you all come out there with what sanity you have. Well, that's why I said.

The argument with Willie was just a, I mean, it's cabin fever. It was a diversion. Yeah. Willie, how long did he last? He lasted half the time this time. He... Two or three days? Well, because what happened is we play golf every day.

Well, he was getting strapped every day. Well, then we play card sometimes at night. And usually that's kind of where... Because he's a good car player, but he would just... Just took it on the chance. I've never embraced the concept of vacation. I've never...

It's a foreign... I'm like, is it because your whole life is a vacation? In your view, I don't know if I'm not a count. I'm not quite sure. I mean, I've just ever embraced. Let's go on a vacation. I'm looking at it like. People do it.

Nightmarish, a lot of work, a lot of, a lot of. It is a lot of work. Grinning, you know, you're taking off, taking a long trip. It's expensive. It's expensive without a half, but the expense part, but I'm thinking, I don't know. I think I can help you with it. with my wife going on vacation is like opening down duck season to me that went you know how you feel about opening that duck season when she says we're going on vacation it's opening day

of duck season the what i'm trying to say is i gave you the negatives that i've just visualized a lot of water you can't drink it there's no shade trees there's half naked women that and you're Well, let me tell you. And the sand in the orifice is, and you get up, you know, and you have to get, and you're staggering around a place you'd never be in. And, you know, I've just. I mean, that would, if they were half naked, that would be positive because it's, but you know, I get worse than that.

But you understand, beach. Three quarter naked would be a more accurate description. I looked at the college, what do they call it? Spring break. Spring break. And I just, they had it on television. You got it. And I just got about, you know, 30.

seconds of it and I said man don't don't get me tangled up in that now this this society we have of embracing the new you or whatever you know that because I saw because you can't miss this you can't unsee I guess I try to stay away from the second look I don't know who gave me that advice but it's good when you're on the beach notice and dismiss notice that very large women were wearing way less close than usual. Because I was like, what's up with this? I mean, he said, oh, that's the new deal. People are like, this is me.

I'm proud. Boy, it's, I'm trying to think of a nice way to say there's a reason. You're beginning to dig into the why I don't go on vacations. You got a valid point on that. I just thought, you know, I'm not sure I'm like. So let me be the positive. side of a vacation because we've been doing a long time. Every morning, dad, we get up and mom cooks biscuits and usually one of the other

daughter-in-laws will make some eggs and bacon. I can get that here without the vacation. That's true. Keep going. But she's teaching all the kids that each morning a different set of grandkids helps her. Now look, that's, I'm a hard time that not being positive. Life lessons. Life lessons.

This year, she had Sadie in there, and Sadie's a boyfriend, who that looks like they're probably going to get married. And so she's teaching Sadie, you know, and the husband was really interested, you know, just watching this process. Right to the older women teaching. Not a husband, the boyfriend. Well, boyfriend. Older women teaching the younger women.

I don't know. It's biblical. I really like that, but I don't know, you know. Well, you never know. We've had about three other potential, right, right. So that you got, you know, we like to play golf. So guys go and do that. The kids love the beat.

So everybody has their thing. We make it work. Well, we fish. Now look, see, I got in to fishing. I caught these pompano, which I didn't know, is basically the Socalet, the crappie of the ocean. Good eating. Almost a creamy texture. Oh, we call them.

And, you know, I think last time I told about catching the sea tur. which is, you know, it sent sheer panic down the beach. Don't catch a sea turtle. Well, because they're like, they're protected or whatever. I could say you almost talked me into going vacation, but y'all had him come close. Well, somebody asked and they said, what would it take to get Phil to the beach? I said, well, if you invite him to speak at your church, because there's a big church down there on the beach, I said, he'd probably come for that.

I don't know that he would stay, but I said, you know, he would probably come speak. At this stage of your life, Phil, as a family member, I think you should not come. Thanks, man. Just because I don't want you to really ruin it for the rest of it. Well, that's what mom said 10 years ago. I said, Mom, you want us to try to make a pitch for dad to go? And she said, no, I love it.

He takes care of himself. He loves it down there. He and Dan look after each other. I mean, no, this is perfect. See, that's what she's vacating. I cooked a big duck gumbo for myself and whoever else came through while y'all were vacated and I made it. I ate on that for a baby.

about three days. Right. You have a few people come by and share with it. People come by. Got some gumbo wearing the pot. A few local rednecks, red and some of them dropped by. So it gets you some of that gumbo, red. There you go in there.

So I just eating gumbo. You know what they call yours? Ours was a vacation. They call yours a staycation. Staycation. Because you stay at home. That's what you are, Phil. That's what you identified your personality.

I go out. I go out and speak and first one day, preach a gospel, but I'm not in the beach going. I think some traditions are good. That's one I grew to love. I mean, I don't, because look, I got sunburn. This is the first time I've ever got sunburned. All right, let's leave the beach and get into what sin and death here. I think that is tired of talking about the beach.

I don't like the beach. You don't like it. This is what happens. This is what we live with. All right, so let's get to Genesis then. You like to talk about Genesis. Last time we talked about sort of a, what I call was a living illustration of what we've been describing. at the beginning of, you know, humanity.

Because we were talking about the garden. And last time we talked about a dear sister of ours that basically was cut off from God because of sin and yet had a redeem relationship with God because Jace shared with her and her husband at the time. And then we walked alongside her. So back to where we sort of originally started talking about this, you know, sin, we described the garden as being this ideal.

place and basically there was one rule don't eat you know from this one tree tree of knowledge of good and evil they were also eaten from the tree of life which is we kind of discover later meant that they were you know had these long you know live hundreds of years as to whatever was going on there but what happened was whenever they broke that one command eve was tempted first and then adam who was thereby which we talked about he was standing nearby he does the same thing. Their eyes were open. The first thing they realized is that they didn't have any clothes on. So there was this concept of shame. Which kind of goes with the knowledge of good and evil. And there's a shame that's represented. Because think about it, it's, and we'd be the same way.

We'd keep our clothes on because we would be ashamed to just walk in here in the nude. You just like, whoa, we don't do that. Where did that come from? Because it wasn't there before. And so all of a sudden they have to have coverings. Then they hid from God. They were fearful. They had all this doubt. So all these things happened to this original couple. And so what I want to talk about today is we look at Genesis 3 and 4 is exactly how that sin that entered in the garden, the very first man, the very first woman, the very first husband, the very first wife, how that then affects us. Because here we are some, you know, five to six thousand years later, still live in our lives. But we seem to be plagued with the same things that affect us. And

them. Precisely. They were escorted out of the garden, which cut them off from the tree of life. They lived to be a long old age for their era, you know, almost a thousand years old. These people were living back then that kept getting cut down, as we discussed before, down to where now, 70 or 80 years is about what you get. And that's if you don't get cancer or something else, which is even shorter. So how does the sin of the garden, how do you still see that going forward today?

I mean, how do you see it impacting people's lives? What do we do to try to do something about it? I guess it's a question. Well, for the ones who say there is no God, there's no sin, I've noticed that when you want to get into a sexual free-for-all or a drug, spread the drugs out, and everybody's getting high or drunk, I noticed that it's basically most of its,

the dark in the shadows. Yeah. I mean, it's behind closed doors. It's night. They hide it. And they get in there and they do whatever they do. But all of you, you know, did God really say marriage between a man and a woman? That's what the question was, did God really say that if you eat this, you'll die?

Yeah, that's what he said. The evil one says, you won't die. That's right. Well, it was a lie. So you fast forward out, it's the same struggles. Did God really say don't murder? Did God really say don't be a morrow? Did God really say you shouldn't steal, don't steal?

But it was a lie that seemed true. Yeah. Because they physically, you know, didn't die at that moment. Which I think is what happens. Somebody tells you something's wrong. You think something's wrong. Then you do it for the first time, and you're like, well, nothing really happened. You get away with it.

So you're like, do it again. Maybe God doesn't see. Or you can say, I don't believe there is a God, so I'm free to do this. I'm glad I don't believe in God I can do this until murder comes to your house. and somebody comes in and slaughters your wife, your children, right in front of your ties you up and cuts you over here, watching the whole thing. And isn't it great for there not to be anything wrong with this?

Right. We just have a little killing spree here. Right. Well, I think everybody would think that was wrong. But it's... But wrong based on what? It would be wrong, but our society... You watched your own family being slaughtered.

You're an atheist. You don't believe in God. Your family slaughtered. right in front of your very eyes, do you say, that's bad and that's not good. Good and evil is what God told them. I think everyone would agree with that that's wrong. I think people believe there's something wrong. Where that comes from.

It comes from Genesis chapter 3. Is the debate is what I'm saying. Everybody. But if you're wondering, why do I feel this way about what's happening to my family right here before my very eyes? But if you go back to Genesis 3, you'll get it. You'll understand it. That's when it was unleashed.

You don't want to know about evil. Just stay with good. You don't want to know about evil. Don't eat of that tree. Don't violate what I'm telling you. Well, here's the problem. Here's what happened. And you're right.

People debate it now, Jay's. But here's the actual problem. So there was a lie. And then people believed the lie and they acted on it. And then they felt a certain way. But here's the kicker. We get to Genesis 4 and we see two of their children, two of their sons, Adam and Eve. And one of them murders the other one.

How long did it take to go from a lie to murder? Not very long. I mean, in the scripture, literally from one chapter to the next. And how many generations? One to the next. So that's the problem is what you laid out, is the answer. idea that sin, when it just goes unchecked for whatever reason, whether people don't believe in God, believe in truth, whatever, we see a violent, murderous result. I mean, I think that's

fair to say, even in our culture. Because you just have all the components here. You have, just look at the representatives. You have an evil presence that was here, even in the garden. so good and evil was here when the first people got here you got a presence here and you have something as good which there's nothing evil about God he can't coexist with that's why there's always a separation you know you there's various verses you know I think Isaiah 59 says that you know our sins separate us but then there's all this logic and thought because really when you get to James one it says eat God does doesn't tempt people.

So, but he seems to get all the blame for anything that bad that goes up. He doesn't, he doesn't tempt anyone. It says each one is tempted when by his own evil desire he is dragged away and enticed. And then the desire gives birth to sin, sin when it's full grown, death. You know, that's what James 1 says. I believe that. So, so you have the human desire. you have an evil presence, then you have 100% holy presence, which is God.

You have those three components. I mean, I'm saying I don't think it necessarily leads one to another. It's just in every person you have those components. So at some point, you reach an age where you consider things that are evil, you couple it with your desire, which makes you neglect what you know is right, which is in your conscience. and therefore the same thing happens. The sins may be different.

They may have more consequences than others. And the reason is, unlike the animal world with humans, they have a conscience. That's right. And their conscience is there to either convict them. I know this is not right. I shouldn't have done that. Or it may, if go down the road long enough,

it will start to defend them. Well, everybody else is doing it. I mean, what's a big deal? It's not that big a thing. And it'll defend you. So on the one hand, it agrees with all the laws. Don't murder. You say, well, you kill somebody.

You see these murderers when they finally confess. I mean, they're just, but you can sear that old conscience. That's right. And next thing you know, you're out there shooting people. You don't even know who they are. And that's a great point. when we see a bear, you know, attack another bear and kill it. You know, maybe somebody gets one of these wildlife deals and you watch that.

You don't say in your mind, oh, that's so terrible. That bear murdered that other bear. We don't even think in those terms for the animal world. And the bear certainly doesn't think that. And even if one of us wandered into the woods and a bear killed us, we wouldn't say, well, the bear murdered this person. No, no. Because it's an animal.

I mean, they don't have a conscience. They don't have a soul. The idea is... No murder charge is foul. No murder charges foul. So that's a great point. What's the difference in the animal world and us, which we've been looking at in Genesis? Oh, there is a difference.

There's a huge difference. Well, even... All the way down to just one little white lie you tell, you know it's a lie. That's right. And if you're honest, you'll say, uh... Shouldn't have done that. But I read James one where it says each one's tempted by when his own evil desire. But then 210, James 210 says, he who keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at one point is guilty of breaking all of it.

Right. See, you might as well forget about you did this, you're worse than me, I did this, I'm better than you. That's right. It does not matter. Right. Even though it matters on consequence level, you know, even in our society, people that don't believe in God, if you commit murder, they'll come get you and take you to jail. know, and lock you up. But you're still a lawbreaker if you lie about it. Well, that's my point, though, Jason, if you don't do something about the sin, whatever it is,

and you're right, it could be something innocuous and doesn't seem that big of a deal. Or from God's perspective, it doesn't matter. But when this runs out in a person's life or in a culture in a society unchecked, this is what you're going to see. Because we're going to get there, even when we look at the flood. And beginning right here, Genesis 3, when seeing it. end of the world and the ramifications of it and it moves forward throughout human history you say God never says at any time now I want you all to understand that this list of sins I'm going to list they're little ones they're little ones and here's a list these are the big ones he never

categorizes them and says now these are just little things that you shouldn't do but it's no big No, it's just It's just list after list after list. They're all wrong, yeah, and they're all anti-God. But they do have, there are some that have more consequences. I mean, there is a difference in, I mean, if you had a choice and said, you know, someone lied to you or, you know, you can go down that road as far as you won't do, or kill someone. You know what I mean?

Well, obviously. even though they're both wrong, I'm going to pick the lie. My point is, according to the Apple computer logo, it's an Apple with a bite out of it. I mean, if you want to know about seeing, click on here. So you look. I don't know about that. Well, the logo. I never thought about that.

My point is, the logo is just come here because this is what we're all about. and the logo is something so simple as God's saying, don't eat the fruit of that tree. You say, well, it doesn't seem like that big a deal just to take one bite. It's the logo of a giant computer world here. It's computer land. Computer land.

So you look at it, you say, well, why would he, but you got to remember, Al, when you're talking about a holy God, when he says something, and says, don't do this. Do not murder. Do not lie. Everybody looks at it and says, well, that's just too blooming strict.

It's just too strict. But all you have to do is step back a minute and ask yourself a simple question. Beginning with Adam and Eve, what if we just obeyed him? And our children did honor their father and mother and we didn't murder. But nobody doesn't commit it, is my point. Nobody does it. Well, my point is, if you kept them, what a utopia we would have on planet Earth. If you just kept the top 10.

But the problem is they come in and say, but you're claiming that you haven't broken them. And there's the rub between Christianity and people who don't find Jesus. That's why they call all Christians hypocrites. That's right. What I'm saying is. But they will go to great lengths when it comes to like killing their own. on children and it not being murdered. You said, did God really say

we shouldn't murder a fellow human being? We shouldn't murder them. Yeah, that's what he said. Well, then we begin to come up with all the arguments to your point where it's really not anybody there. I mean, it's not really a human.

I mean, well, is the heart beating yet? I mean, is the legs being formed? And they begin to narrow it down and see if you can get around three three words do not murder well i'm just looking at it so there's a sexual free-for-all disobedient to god a sexual free-for-all begets a a birth rate a expanded birth rate. A lot of sex. That's how children are made through sexual intercourse. So he says, keep your sex between a man and a woman inside a marriage. That's all you're getting. Everybody says,

too strict. So they disobey God and they say, nobody's going to tell me who I didn't have sex with. So they begin this sexual free for all. Here comes all the children, but they're unwanted. They don't want them. What should be a gift from God, they're like, oops, whoops, My sex cut up with me. I'm having a baby. I can't have that baby. I'm in college. I don't have time to raise them.

I don't have the money. I don't want to be tied down with a child. I don't want to raise this kid. I don't want to give birth to it. They said, what are we going to do? So they violate commandment number six. After they've already violated the text, don't be immoral. Well, and it begins to build on itself.

And before all, force all over, now there's a murder free for all. That's where it works. I think the philosophy is what you're saying, the rationalization, what the evil one said, did God really say? But he also convinced or he was trying to convince Eve that if you do it God's way, you won't reach your potential. Because he said, one he said, which we talked about, did God really say? but then he said God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be open and you'll be

like God knowing good and evil Uh-oh, there's you. See he's like, I mean, you're going to be a God. And when you even talk about the abortion issue, that's the problem is that philosophy that came from, well, this is me. This is my body.

They're not distinguishing. Nobody's going to tell me I can't have who I have sex with. Nobody can't be able to tell me I can't murder. who I want to. That's what they're saying. They don't say that.

Oh, I know they don't say that. But I'm telling you what they're saying. They're saying, this is my body. How dare you? Look, if you just took that statement away from the issue, it makes sense. Okay, it's your body. You have choices. You can do what you want to.

Everybody would agree with that. That's why they got that slogan, I have a choice to do what I want. Well, sure. God gave it to you, the ability to choose. Where they messed up is they didn't distinguish where that life came from. you would think we would figure that out. You didn't choose to be here. You just looked up and you were here.

That's it. And we're fortunate that the person that you were riding in didn't say, away with you. I mean, you just think about how you're pretty fortunate just to get here. I guarantee, especially these days. And somehow I know that that got wrapped into, well, this is, that was my body. I created that. And there's where the problem came in.

It's just like what he was. introducing. It's not, you're going to be equal with God. So if you think you're God, well, you'll do anything you want. This is my decision and I'm going to make it. And there's no one higher up than me. No one higher up and it's the same philosophy that he sold her on. He actually used what God said in a way that made her think, oh, he's keeping me from reaching my potential. So let me go just go ahead and do this. And I think that's where we're. Oh, and it's all a renaming. It's all about.

It's all about renaming. This isn't, this isn't about murder. This is a women's health issue. That's right. As if I've got, you know, something I've got a gorder that has to be dealt with. Like she wasn't put here from the get-go to be able to bear children. We know what causes children, sexual contact, sex. you say that's what that's what makes them so she's saying uh i i i need to protect my body

like like she wasn't put here to have children that's why when a guy says i'm really a woman you say you're not wired right dude you're not biologically you can't you can't do it you'll never be a woman because you can't have children right they can't no now you this well you can there's this lays was nips and tucks well a woman it was a woman who said she became a man and now she's having children saying it's a man having children yeah no it's still a woman still a woman it's it still takes women parts the challenge for though for people who trust god his way is you're never gonna what i in my opinion you're not going to convince them from this type of argument there's never going to agree that's why when you introduce jesus to people he changes the heart

once you surrender to God and you say, you don't have the reason, which is grace and forgiveness, I mean, that was God's idea. You're not going to convince them because every time you have that discussion, they have their arguments. They're introduced to Jesus and they say, well, wait a minute here. And then that opens their eyes. But you do have to have this discussion. Here's why. So my third.

You have the discussion, but I'm saying only God can change the heart. I agree with that. And you're not going to be able to debate them out of it. like Sean Hannity told us. Not going to do it. You know, debate every night. We don't win them. But here's why you have to have the discussion.

You got to go back to the Bible because my 13-year-old granddaughter comes in. And she goes to Christian school. She's in our home. So I don't even know where this came from. But she says, did you know, Pap, that President Trump has banned all transgender from serving in the military? She said, that doesn't seem right to me at all. now I was shocked I didn't appear shocked you know but yeah but I was shocked that she asked that question I was like well where in the world would my 13 year old granddaughter be hearing about

I'm sure the internet so then I so I didn't overreact so I just went into a discussion about how we were made and then what the military was for and I said you know your dad served in the military he was in a firefight and they're you know military they shoot you things and blow things up and somebody had to haul him out there because he got shot. President Trump is saying he wants somebody that's biologically made to do that. You know, there's certain structure. Well, I'm telling her this, she's 13. She's living.

She said, well, that makes perfect sense. Once she understood the idea of biological makeup. But see, she like everybody else in our society or seemingly the young people, they hear these arguments and they just think, well, these poor people, they don't know what they are. so why should we be saying you shouldn't be doing that so it's a basic misunderstanding of that god made us which is a great point you're making about the woman who says this is my body I made this no you didn't you were made like everybody else was why those decisions happened that's why people look you don't have God you don't you don't believe that's how you got here well now

you're trying to figure out how you fit in because you didn't choose to be here life's hard So people who do not put their faith and trust in God, they're like, well, maybe I should have been a woman. Let me try that. That's where that thought came from is because life, they're having difficulty dealing with just normal life. Whatever it is. Which is called, you know, a sin problem. We all have that problem. Every one of us.

That's right. We have an identity issue. Every kid that gets, you know, sixth. 10th grade, you go through, including y'all, you go through a transition to find your identity. What I'm saying, Jace. Some rebel, you know, but we all make mistakes is what I'm saying. If you get plugged in to the apple with the bite out of it, instead of getting plugged into God, you will witness what you have just said.

Phil, I hear you. You don't know what's going on that. It's just like anything else. It's what you use it for. It's not some, I mean, this is a really weird conversation to be having where people are listening. But the Internet is not a mind controlling. Each person is dragged away. You go on there and start Googling, you know, hot sex.

Well, yeah. You know what I mean? But it can be useful. I've heard it's not like it's a. I've heard there are things on the computer, the Apple with the bite out of it, that are not in this Bible. I've heard there things on that. But the Bible is also there in every version. Have you thought about what their thing being in Apple with a Bible?

I've never even thought of it. I've heard somebody else say that. I never heard that. It never says that the actual fruit. I have no idea. I don't. I think it's a court. Somebody's got to let us know.

Well, I think it's a coincidence. I don't. So we look. But Phil, it never says the apple. There was an apple in the tree of garden. It just says fruit. Well, that's true. An apple is representative of that with a bite at it.

They're rich of the same. That's what the computer's all about. But I've never been on the computer, so how would I know? So here's the deal. You get to First John 5. We haven't mentioned this. Throw this in the mix from reading Genesis 3 out. Here's the statements.

In Genesis 3, God did say you must not, the woman said to the serpent, after he said, did God really say you must not eat of any tree in the garden? The woman said to the serpent, we may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, but God did say you must not eat fruit from the tree that's in the middle of the garden, because you must not touch it or you will die, and the evil one says you will not die. If you fast forward 5,000 years, because just a little bit, by the time you get to Genesis 315, just a little past this text I just read, here comes the one who's going to save the world, the seed of a woman will crush you Satan for what you've done here today.

Well, you go over 5,000 years later, we know we're the children of God, and the whole world is under the control of the evil one. So not only... First John 519. That's right. Not only were they cut off what Adam and Eve have shown us all, especially through their children, Cain, Abel, the first murder recorded,

not before people on planet Earth, you would think four people could get along and there wouldn't be, be a murder take place. Well, John the Apostle, the same one, 1 John 519, everyone's under the control of the evil one outside of Jesus. That's where you are. So he says in 1st John 3, this is a message we've heard from the beginning that we should love one another.

Do not be like Kane who belonged to the evil one and murdered his brother. So you start there and you say, not only did they sin and that separated them from God, spiritually speaking, God's wrath came upon them and the evil one began to work in them and through them through all of the human race because they were the ones that started it. And then you have Seth and all of his ancestors, all the ones and other sons and daughters. That's Genesis 5. Here comes all these offspring. But all of them, when they got old enough to know better,

they now had the ability to know not only good but evil, and they got it from Eve that was passed on to Adam. And that's been with us every step of the way ever since. You still make the choice. You still make each one is dragged away by when his own. I mean, the evil presence puts it out there. You still make the choice. I mean, I like John 3.

when you think John 3, you think John 316, for God's to love the world. You know, he gives his son, whoever believes shall not perish to have an eternal life. But the next few verses after that, he starts talking about this light, living in the light and living in darkness. Because that's how we started this whole thing. But at one time, once you reach that age of where you have a clear picture, whenever that is, I mean, the Bible really never says, but somewhere in junior high to teenage years. The reason why I never says is because it's different for people. It's different for everybody.

But at some point in there, you have that knowledge of good and evil. Yep. You have the fruit and the cover up and the whole process restarts itself. And you have the sinful nature. You have the sinful nature. And then the problem is those of us who put our faith and trust in Jesus, Jesus because he then redeemed us from the sin. That's why he came on a cross. Colossusans 2 says at baptism, it's cut away your sinful nature. In Genesis 315, which is, you know, he talks about

all the things that happen. And then Genesis 315 is your first introduction of their Jesus is coming, which is really what the whole Old Testament about. You can't, you're sinful people, you can't keep the law. God is 100% perfect. You're not. So here comes Jesus. So when he gets to John 3, which is John 316, what I just said, the most famous first in the Bible. Three verses later, I think this is the contrast that us as Christians have to present to people. Because people who, like we said, who view unborn children as nothing more than can be discarded, that really affects us.

I mean, we are passionate that that is not right. Right, we all agree. But at the same time, you have to somehow another convey to them, there's a way out of this mindset, because the mindset is what caused the crime, just like it did back in Genesis 3. Whenever you started saying, oh, I'm on, you know, I'm going to be God. So here's the contrast that he said. He said, verse 19 of John 3, this is the verdict.

Light has come into the world. we just read it for God's a love the world that he said light has come into the world but men love darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil we've all done that we get to that age we say I'm going with darkness it might have been a little darkness it might have been a lot but it doesn't matter then he says everyone who does evil hates the light and will not come into the light for fear that is the deeds will be exposed and that's where we try to hide just like Eve they all of a sudden we're hiding now from

God and people hide in different ways but they hide but the verse 21 is what I wanted to get to but whoever lives by the truth comes into the light so that it may be seen plainly that what has been done has been done through God so the difference is even your first John reference verse six is we walk in the light we confess our sins it's the same deal that you say what's the difference in us and the world we're looking for god's truth what what is right and what's wrong you got a book that explains it and then when we mess up we don't try to cover it up we don't lie about we just walk in the light it's evident yeah but to get there my point is you must be set free from the evil one because everybody's under his control who doesn't have Jesus.

Ten verses after Adam and Eve's sinned. Ten verses, that later, he gives them, Jesus is coming. He's giving them the way out of it. Way down the road what Jason's quoting in John chapter 3. You're like, it took a while to get him here. But boy, the Bible says we were locked up under law, keeping the commands because Jay said every one of us to get old enough, we're locked up until faiths,

should be revealed. Well, that was Jesus the seed of a woman of Genesis 3, finally showing up. Which is my point. Look, write the story. That there's always a tough balance. These sins, some of them are so egregious. It makes us so emotional. We're so passionate and almost mad about it. But there's always a line of loving the sinner and hating the sin. Because in the end, we've all sinned. Right. Yep. So that's why we unite in Jesus is my form.

And that's why we're compassionate with people and we love people, just like God did. So even though we're passionate about talking about sin and Satan and the nature of it, we want you guys to understand why. So next time, we'll expand that a little bit more. The idea of Adam in Romans 5 is referred to as the first Adam and the second Adam, which we kind of touched on today because Jesus brings us something unique. as a human being and even how he deals with Satan. So we'll talk some more about that next time as well as a big old flood that happened

as a result of sin run amok in our history. So, man, we're glad you guys tune in and check us out on Unashamed. A reminder about Desperate Forgiveness, Mount Lisa's new book. Dad's got a new book out as well. We really appreciate you guys and we'll see you next time.