Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 800 | Jase Loses It on Sadie’s Show Over Mia’s Journey & Phil Is SO Proud of His Granddaughters

Episode Date: December 11, 2023

Jase tries to save face by reiterating his emotional struggle over Mia’s health journey on Sadie Robertson Huff’s podcast, and Phil can’t help but be impressed by his strong, amazing granddaughters. Al recounts portions of his trip overseas, and the guys contemplate the importance of Jesus’ breaking bread with followers after his resurrection. In this episode: Acts 1, verse 3; Acts 10, verses 39-41; Luke 24, verses 36-43; Revelation 3, verse 20 https://philmerch.com — Get your “Unashamed” mugs, shirts, hats & hoodies! Own "The Blind: The True Story of the Robertson Family" on digital, DVD & Blu-ray today: https://theblindmovie.com/watch — Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? Well, if you're looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, the home of righteousness. Trust me, Phil, once we get to this, I thought the same thing. I mean, but it's just, I mean, he's obviously addressed it. You know what I mean? That's not saying we're going anywhere. It's just a new place where you're safe. point he's like revelation i kind of like that out of when he one it's coming out of heaven yeah well yeah i mean if you're in a place where no one dies anymore and everything is copaceti

everything is love joy peace i mean if everything's that way here it would be heaven well exactly yeah it's like and we our brains can't now i like this kind of conversation so I mean, you know, we brush the duck blight every year. We'd brush the dug blight, but no worries are getting hurt or bitten by cotton. I like it. I'm in. Cotton mouths would crawl up and, you know, just patch you on the leg. You just thump them in the head.

Thump them in the head and keep walking. Here, move on. At one time, at one time, it was like that. No accidental shootings, no car wreck. Let's just see where it goes. Let's just see where it goes. Welcome back to Unashame. It's a weird feeling for the unashamed crew today because you as our listeners,

which by the way, we love you, Unashamed Nation. You guys are awesome. You've been listening to our podcast right up until this one. And it seems like we've always been here. But for us, we had a little break. And so we're starting back today. And so we've had a little time off, which is very unusual. We don't get a lot of time off recording the Unashamed podcast.

So I feel like, Jace, my brain is. now fertile again because it was it was a bit it was a bit it was a bit spent you were going weary I was going weary between being on the road preaching and doing podcast so I needed a break which I'll tell you more about what I did but what did y'all do on our little well I think I don't think you described that well enough that was the longest time we've had off in four years that's right I think it's near about four years we had a couple of weeks we had a couple of weeks off. Now, you would think I would take a break, but what I did was just go on everybody else's

podcast. So really, I feel like to change. So in this is a funny story. And I'm not promoting. I'm just telling you. If you want to go check it out, you can check it out. But Sadie had Mia and I on her podcast, which I'd never been on Sadie's podcast. But I think her podcast is, probably a little more viewed than ours. We're neck and neck, which it's kind of back and forth. And I would imagine when she was on ours, we probably passed hers and maybe vice versa

now that you've been on earth. Well, somebody told me, you don't think that, you know, God is working this out because we ultimately give the, the credit to the Lord. We realize people come here because we're actually studying the greatest book

that has ever been. Correct. And it reveals Jesus. So, We're just struggling to do that like every other person. But someone showed me a stat of like the biggest audience that watches our podcast. And with ours, it was like, was it 15 to 25 year old males? Yeah.

Thank you for that. But Sadie's was like 15 to 25 year old females, which I thought was kind of comical. But anyway, and I'm saying this because I'm a little. embarrassed here. So I get on her podcast. What could go wrong? There, she has, her studio is like intimidating. I mean, it was just beautiful and. It reminds me of like a spaceship. Like if you went into a spaceship and were taken off, it's very bright and utilitarian. I would describe her set. So here, Jace wouldn't fit into that particular market. Well, Phil, here's. James was an alien. They got

picked up alone the space travel what i'm fixing to describe is very embarrassing and very profound because what i should have done is thought about what could go wrong here i am with my daughter and sadie who i you know i adore both of these women they're they love the lord and especially mea has been through all these problems physically and all these surgeries and so there was no script nobody said here's what we're going to talk about. And I actually had no idea, but I should have thought further than that. Because we sit out on the couch and we start talking about, you know, everything that's happened to Mia.

And here's Sadie, who is so professional and so articulate and just inspiring. I made it for about 45 minutes. And then all of a sudden, for some unknown reason, I thought it would be great for me to share this experience that I've tried to share one other time. And when I tried to share that at the Mia Moo Fun Day, where we have all the families in, I got up and spoke in front of all the parents. And there was a moment that happened in Mia's life that, like, stands out to me. So I'm being careful because if I go down this road and all of a sudden I start getting blubbery,

I've tried this twice, and both times I lost it, which is what happened on Sadie's podcast. I could not speak. It wasn't like I was just boo-hoo. That came a little later. I just could not speak. And so my daughter was like, Dad, do you want me to take over? And I was like, so it's like, I'm with two young females.

And we're the one who stereotyped, you know, women as being more emotional than men. and here's this bearded guy, you know, who's out in the wilderness, tough guy, I lost it. So now I'm nervous about when that's coming out for all the wrong reasons, which, by the way, today is, it's out. So by the time you hear this, it will have been out a few days, I guess, three or four. Well, I can already, I can already tell you how they're going to promote it. They're going to show you breaking down. So I'm sure the phone. The photo shot is going to be me wiping my eyes saying, we broke him.

No, I thought it was fantastic. Look, they were the stars of the show. I didn't say a whole lot. And when I did, then I could no longer speak. So somewhere in between what God has done in these two women's lives, it just broke me. It wrecked me. Chase, you ought to look at it like you've handed down through your family structure. the decision you made, you handed down a lifestyle that it still exists.

These girls, this is what young women should look like. Well, it should, and I think that's why I lost it in there. Yeah. I mean, I'll tell you this. It's a powerful thing. Do you want me to try to tell? I think I can do it with y'all in this setting. So third time's a charm.

I've got to overcome this. And I did read, you know, we're in Luke 19. And one thing I didn't really notice out, the first verse I ever memorized was Jesus wept in John 11, obviously because it's two words. Right. But, you know, Jesus, when he stands up on this hill and overlooked Jerusalem, where is that? Yeah, 41. Yeah, 41. So when, as he approached Jerusalem and saw the city, he wept over it.

Yeah. So then, you know, later I was prepping for what we were going to talk about. about when we get here and I was like yes Jesus wept so it made me feel a little better about losing it in that environment but still I was telling the story that you know Mia's last surgery was really rough and we weren't anticipating that I mean here she is she's a grown woman now and she's having this bonus surgery in quotations because just things have gone wrong throughout the process and because everything, correct me if I'm wrong, but everything had been sort of scripted out

up until her like 18 years till her facial structure quit growing. The growth, the growth of all that takes place. Well, it's actually. It's right. It's phenomenal. It's actually. So this was all new stuff, right? It's actually the lack of growth on the top of her jaw where when she was born.

Yeah. the parts that most humans have did not form. So, and it doesn't grow. So the rest of her craniofacial fundamental parts, to use a big word, but everything else is growing normal. Well, that presents a problem because your bottom jaw, her bottom jaw is growing normal. Well, the top jaw is not moving. Well, you don't have to be a doctor to figure out. That's going to be problematic.

be able to talk at some point because your tongue can no longer reach the top of your mouth where there wasn't a pallet anyway that they've constructed and they have all this metal and plates and screws so you're basically managing this process this is how many surgeries over 18 years I mean a lot 20 plus well I mean it's probably it's hard to put a number on it because what defines a surgery. I mean, yeah. So, I mean, I would say

14 major encounters where it took days, weeks, months to recover. So she has this one. It's unbelievable just how tough that girl is.

But I made a point, and this is a very profound story. A lot of them would just cry or try to cry the way out of it, which that wouldn't work. Or getting depressed, you know, in the short time,

yeah, in the short term, she cried. And, I mean, she just, when you're in pain, severe pain. Yeah, there's a lot of tears. And it's a lot of tears for the parents because the worst thing imaginable on the planet is to watch your kids suffer and you can do nothing about it.

So it's a very tough road. And y'all know me. I wasn't an emotional person at all until I have my daughter. And that changed me forever, which is fine. I mean, I think it's a good thing. God created us like that. And so I'm fine with it. I mean, I'm being, I was a little embarrassed, obviously, because I could not speak.

Well, your faith might have been tempted by the All Matters just to see how you'd react. Well, yeah. Because things finally did. She's made a phenomenal success out of what's when you see her now. Yeah, well, I made the transit. I don't even notice it. Whatever she had any problems, you just. But part of the problem, that's what we talked about on Sadie's podcast, is most people,

only look at the exterior, which is okay. But in her mind, she doesn't like that. That bothers her that people are looking at just the outside. So it's very hard for her since she's constantly changing. Who goes to her? Yeah, the people that are around her on a daily basis, like Missy and I, you know, our biggest struggle is every time she would be changed physically, it was heartache because when you love someone, the things that are different, you actually

embrace in a weird kind of way. So when she's changed, it's very hard to overcome that because you're like, well, she's different. I loved you for who you were. I mean, and we talked about that. It's kind of a tough subject, which is why you see 45 minutes into this, you know, I tell about one of the transitions that I noticed from the inside. out, which is completely the Holy Spirit of God in Mia's life, was that she would play the piano in the previous surgery, just because she's bored.

You know, she did other things, but you just think her recovery time sometimes were months. So what do you do? You're by yourself. You're stuck at the house, and she would do different things. One of the things she did was play the piano. But what I said is when I noticed her transition to the Lord, where the Lord took over, when she had that last surgery, she had played the piano during the recovery, just like she did all the other times.

And the part I got choked up about, I said, but there was something different. Even though she couldn't speak in this last surgery, the energy and passion of which she was playing the piano spoke volumes it was like before when she was a little kid she was just banging on a piano but now it was like she was bringing the piano to life i mean it was like it was even though she wasn't speaking there was a joy and a peace the fruits of the spirit was coming out just in the chords and the songs she was playing and so i would sit on the couch and just get teary i mean i would Because she would play it every night. She would go in there.

I mean, this recovery was weeks. And, you know, it just lifted up my soul, you know. So I was trying to tell that story. I never got it out on all that. I was trying to convey that story. But, yeah, it was a powerful moment, you know. But you know what's interesting about that, Jayce, is that not only speaks to what you noticed in Mia,

But that also speaks to the creator, because I've always thought this anyway. You know, people try to explain a lot through evolution and, you know, there's not really a guide. And they have all these explanations. But it's very hard to explain artistic expression and the power of that. And so through music in that case, you noticed the difference. I would posit that the theory, that shows as much about our creator as anything. else. Where does that come from? As dad would say, what department in Saltwater was able to make that transition in what you heard and felt from someone expressing their art in music or whatever the

case may be? So it's really even bigger than just me. I mean, that shows you the bigness of God, too. I mean, that's pretty amazing. Yeah, so I use that line sometimes. People would say, well, how's she doing? And I said, well, physically, you know, it's rough. It's really. really rough on her. I said, but if you listen to her, play that piano, she's doing awesome. So then the next day, that was a long story, but if you want to check out Sadie's podcast, whoa, that's good. I love, I don't know. How did I miss that was the name of her? I have to laugh every time they say it, but it's really good. I mean, I love it too. Well, I'm telling you, I know why she named it that because there was about five times I thought during that podcast, whoa.

Whoa. That was good. So if you want to check that out, just look for the picture where I'm over there, you know, blubbering. In the fetal position. And I haven't listened to it, but, you know, I was there. But I'm sure you'd be encouraged by it. But then I did size podcast, the duck call room. And I was promoting our Christmas episode there, which was hilarious because we get on there.

And it's coming out December 17th for everyone to watch on Fox News. It's called Duck Family. Yeah, Duck Family Christmas. And so, so I was like, man, I can't wait to watch it. So when I was on his podcast, I go through it. I was like, look, it's us, it's family. We're doing family things. I said, but at the end, I really like how it came together.

and the people in the editing room or whatever, they really just highlighted how God gave up his family so that we could all be a forever family, which is kind of the theme of it. But the fact that that's going to be out on national TV and with a focus on Jesus, I'm really excited about it. That's why I'm promoting it.

I have no other motives for doing it other than it's focused on Jesus, and I'm really proud of it. But, Sa' said, I can't wait to watch it. And I was like, well, Sa, you were on it. He was like, I was? So really, that was the other side because all that was, you know, their podcast is basically

a comedy. There's no script that we start to finish. I was like, well, the last two or three minutes, they said, well, we usually read a verse. And so I had been studying Luke. So off the top of my, they were like, Jay, you got a verse for it. They were like, Jayce, you got a verse for us, you know. So I actually picked an interesting verse, which is what we'll get to eventually. But it was what I was studying in Luke 24 when we get there, which will be a good preview.

When Jesus was recognized post-resurrection. On the road to Amaz. Yeah, yep. When he comes up to the two guys on the road to Amas, and we'll get in this deep. but I've really had an awakening about this, about some of the things we're going to talk about Luke 19, Luke 20, and Luke 21, as a preview of Jesus coming here to be recognized

as the Son of God. And just think of all the times he did something with a meal, even the Passover when he broke the bread, and he was like, do this in remembrance of me and what that represented. And even you think about John 6th when he said, I am the bread alive. You think about the feeding of the 5,000 and the breaking of the bread, all these moments that he had with people over a meal.

And so they didn't recognize him and they were walking beside him. Their eyes were opened when he broke that bread and he gave thanks. But now this is the resurrected Lord. I mean, this is our Lord in a new. state of being. He's conquered destruction itself, death itself. And he's having a meal

with people. And all of a sudden it just flooded all these verses that I've never really thought about before. But you know one of the most famous verses in the Bible is I think it's Revelation 320 where it says, when he says, I stand

at the door and knock, I'll read it. This is a thumbnail version of what I did. Yeah, Revelation 320, here I am, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in. So people use this as a lot of altar calls. Use this verse. But watch what that next part says. I will come in and eat with him and he with me. And so I just thought about all the shows we've done through the years about at the end of the day we get together and have a meal together. Well, here's Jesus. being recognized for the first time as the Son of God, conquering death over a meal. And so it also made me think back to Genesis. You remember when God said, don't eat of that tree?

Yep. And when they did, you remember what happened? It says their eyes were open, and this was the negative. And they realized they were naked. It's almost like you have the problem that happened in creation in Genesis 2 and 3. And fast forward to Jesus coming to the earth and God working out all throughout history that he really wanted to dwell among people. Having this heaven and earth kind of intersect. And here's Jesus representing heaven and earth.

And you have this meal and it's almost like looking back of saying, you remember when you ate the and you disobey me and we were separated and all these problems. And now you have a reconciling moment of him having a meal and people recognizing him as the problems that were done that humans did that caused the separation. He has now reconciled. Yeah, that's good. So that was kind of the take on that. So we did restore a little bit of influence to what was otherwise known as just chaos.

If you want to check it out. I mean, it was about as hard as I've laughed in years just for 50 minutes. It's a funny podcast, yeah. And it's good. I like that they're different than ours because we're so intense with our Bible studies. So, you know, they've created another atmosphere, which is good. But Jason, not only that, you know, you didn't mention it, but you could make the same case and add to what you're saying, because I couldn't agree more, with what happened in John 21 as well, when the restoration of Peter, as the kingdom was about to get going, and really, of course, correct for all the apostles, because they had all flee, you know, whenever, or fled, whenever, you know, he was killed, was another meal. I mean, it was another meal of fish right there on the banks of the Sea of Galilee.

And same thing. I mean, it's this idea of restoration combined with that idea of fellowship and community. Yeah, we're thinking just alike because I started looking up all the times that happened. And even after this moment with these two disciples in Luke 24, you know, then it goes. on to say in verse 36 it said while they were still talking about this Jesus himself stood among them and said peace be with you well they were startled and frightened thinking they saw a ghost and he said to them you know why are you troubled why do doubts rise in your minds look at my hands and my feet which if I just pause right here the same thing is happening that happened with the two guys on

the road to him amas he's wanting them to recognize him that he's got his body back. He has been resurrected. He has conquered death, which means he truly is the Son of God. This is something supernatural that has visited the planet. And a key point is he's the only person ever,

only one, that the world. And look, if he went to China, to Russia, to every other power on Earth, they would say, correct me by saying, no, here's what it is. They count time by him. No, you're right, Phil. And the ones that don't embrace him within those things, they're like, how are you missing it? You're counting time by him.

Oh, in this moment. It still stands. There was a cosmic shift. You feel it, you sense it, you read it. And I really was, the more I've studied, because I was reading this, Luke 19. and couldn't wrap my head around it. And so I just kept reading all the way to the end. I did that several times.

And what really was profound about what we're fixing to get into is that this is the cosmic shifting moment. It's a clash of kingdoms, of worlds, of time, of space, about imagination, what could possibly be on the other side this because we have a... Why would they say he doesn't exist and then turn around and when ask what year is it? And he, they date the arrival of Jesus Christ. I mean, why would that be there? I thought he didn't exist. Why would, how would you count time by someone that didn't exist? Just put him out of air. Where'd they get the info? Read that other verse

Jay's 40 through 43 because to make sure point. Then he says that the second part of 30. It is I myself, touch me and see. A ghost does not have flesh and bones as you see I have. So when he had said this, he showed them his hands and feet. And we know from Thomas that he was showing them where the nails were driven. Yep. Now when he said this, he showed them his hands and feet. And while they still did not believe it because of joy and amazement, it was just,

too much for the human mind to comprehend. It wasn't that they were doubting. It wasn't that they were being evil in the mind. It was just the human mind can only comprehend what it can comprehend. And every other person that when you go to a funeral, that's it. They're not coming back in a body. And I do think part of their culture, you know, they didn't have this bodily resurrection as even a, as a thought.

It was more about, oh, your spirit will go off and with the angels. And that is what happens. But here he is with a body back on the earth saying, look. And then watch this little verse here in verse 41. It says, Luke 24, 41. And while they still did not believe because of joy and amazement, He asked, of all the questions, do you have anything to eat? They gave him a piece of broiled fish and he took it and ate it in their presence.

You're like, well, why is that in there? You know, it kind of goes back to what just happened about this eating meal. So what also I did from, you know, when you read this, you realize that Luke continues this in Acts. And so when you go to Acts chapter one, which is kind of what you do. Because he wrote these books for the same guy, which it makes perfect sense that he would just go right into it. Luke is the only book that's, you know, it kind of ends and you're like, well, that's all that. And then it gets lost, Acts gets lost in the other 65. Right.

But it's a continuation. I mean, he acknowledges Theophilus, which is where he started Luke one. but then when he says in verse three after his suffering he showed himself to these men and gave many convincing proofs that he was alive which is what he just got through saying when you're when you die and you're buried and then three days later you're eating meals with the same people that you were with prior to you dying what is is he trying to project to us? There is something awesome about God having meals with human beings who are perishable. And Jesus being once perishable, but now has come back and he's eating a meal with us. There's something about new creation here that I think we haven't delved into, that when all things are possible with God. I mean, this is seemingly impossible.

But I wanted to notice another verse because I noticed in Acts 1041 when they were out sharing Jesus. Watch what they say. Acts 1041. Now, 39, you know, this is Peter preaching Jesus Christ's Lord if you look in verse 36, but just to kind of pick up in the story.

And he gets to 39. We are witnesses of everything. Speaking of Jesus. he did in the country of the Jews and in Jerusalem. They killed him by hanging him on a tree, but God raised him from the dead on the third day and caused him to be seen. He was not only seen by all the people,

but by witnesses whom God had already chosen. By us, now watch what he says, who ate and drank with him after he rose from the dead. There's a pattern going on. That's why I went to that revelation. And to this day, whether the world wants to admit it or not, they don't say we think that 13.5 billion years ago, the cosmos was made.

But they do say, but you better count time by Jesus. Whether they like it or not, they end it up. All nations, if you go over there, so he just got through traveling. What year was it over there? Same year's here. Where'd you go? What country was you? I was in multiple.

I went to Hungary, Austria, Germany, and the Czech Republic. How many of those believed that the same date that Jesus showed up is universal there and here? Same date. That's exactly right. But you know, it's interesting, it's interesting though, Dad, because, and I've noticed this before, you and I went to Europe as well when you filmed that movie a few years ago. that when you walk into these super old, you know, churches, church buildings, I guess you'd call them, sanctuaries, abys, you know, they got all these different names over there for them. They're beautiful and they're amazing. And they're almost like it's just too much for your senses to soak in.

But here's what I noticed about them. When you walk inside of one of them, it was cold over there. I was over there in the wintertime. it was colder inside that building than it was outside that building, number one. I don't even have that happens, but it did. No heat. And then it's full of people who are just like us taking pictures of it and looking, but there's nothing connected to people's lives, people's, the meals, Jason is talking.

You know, the warmth of Christianity is, it doesn't feel there. I mean, you can't feel it. You don't know it. It's just like you're walking through this super old museum that's beautiful to look at. And it really goes to our whole point about the kingdom and the temple and all this stuff we've been talking about in Luke Jays, because it really does give you a whole different picture. But I'm saying there's places in the world much older than where we are here in the U.S. And there's still, everything's about the past.

Nothing is about the present or the future, at least in my observation. I mean, that's what I would say. Let's take a middle for you. I don't know. I was thinking that. I would think if I was in a country named hungry, and we're talking about Jesus eating post-resurrection, would it be a pretty good analogy to get their attention?

Yeah. I bring this up because when you think about how many meals that you eat, I mean, pretty much three meals a day is the norm here. If you have the money to pull that off or the hunting skills. Yeah. For Jesus to have this meal, I know those meals stood out more than any other meal to those disciples. Yeah. I mean, just because of the joy and the amazement and the proof that they're seeing.

And I hadn't, I don't know if y'all had, I hadn't noticed those references before. I just started looking for it. I was like, well, it's in here a lot more than you realize. there was something significant about having a meal as the resurrected Lord with other people. I mean, there's too many references. The irony, though, Jason, I hadn't really thought about that either from Acts 10. But the irony is that Peter, you remember in the early part of Acts 10, he's up on a rooftop and he's hungry. you know, and he goes into this trance, and that's when the sheet comes down, as dad describes it, about food and about ceremonial law and all that stuff.

And little does he know that some guys are walking up to the front door as he's having this little back and forth with God and this trance about food. And they say, hey, we got a guy here that God told us to sin to bring you to. So when he shows up at the House of Cornelius, which is the context you were talking about, he goes in, which would have violated Old Testament law to go into a Gentiles' house to share a meal. But he went in because God now says the gospel is going to be available for all people. So the context you're talking about does open up that idea of community. And that's where it started in Acts chapter 10. And that, of course, ushered in the whole rest of the world outside of Israel.

Exactly. Well, that's what I think. I think too many of us just based on our religion. experiences or maybe just Western culture or whatever. People tend to think that God and Jesus are a million miles away. You know, and you get this picture of he's got to make the journey through space to, you know, to come back. And it doesn't do God's qualities any justice to think like that because it's just not true.

God is really among us. And I feel like when Jesus comes back, it's literally like you just pulling back a curtain. And one of the possibilities that he laid the foundation for is us and our new bodies, you know, having a meal together. It's something more relatable. And I think that's really what he was trying to get us a picture of recognizing who he is. So I just think we get so crazy in our imagination that we just think, oh, and we do. do that because we're thinking, well, where is God? There's so much suffering. There's, you know, all these excuses why people don't believe God

is here. But when you really look at what he's promoting about the principles of the kingdom, he's saying you're going to suffer. You're going to be persecuted. And I'm going to use that to show you my power in people. And so when bad and evil things happen on our planet, what happens? People die. People suffer. for people cry, but then other people step up and they build hospitals, they help those who have fallen, they share the good news of Jesus. That is what the kingdom is really all about on our planet. And that's what the power that is not like the powers of other kingdoms. And without it, the functions just fall on deaf ears without it when it gets down to there is no God,

there is no good, there is no bad. There's no devil. There's no Holy Spirit. Just on and on, they'll go with it. Yeah. But Jay, here's something I observe, another observation about my trip to Europe. So you had the cold mausoleums is what I was calling them, but these beautiful, you know, structures of the past.

But outside of every one of them and then in other places in the four countries I went to, they have what they call the Christmas, markets. And so they got all these little huts. They come in and they built in this huge circle most of the time. And every third one is doing a snitzel and sausage and just, I mean, it smells wonderful when you walk in here. And all the other booths, they're selling Christmas stuff. Nativity scenes, you know, a lot of stuff is set up about the birth of Jesus. People, they're packed into these places and they're talking. This is outside the United States, right? Yeah, this outside the U.S.

And it's also outside of those structures. But what I witnessed and experienced there was just what we're talking about. It was all about the birth of Christ. It was very spiritual. And it was people laughing and talking and having conversation and having food. And some of the best food I had in all of Europe was at these Christmas markets. And they're just cooking it up. And they have the same source of information that you have in these United States.

That's right. But it's outside the structure. And I think we've talked so much about that on this podcast because that's what you see in the text. In this case, we're talking about Judaism, but you could just come forward and add whatever you want to in there. The idea that there's life and there's godliness and there's goodness and all around this idea of having community. So I did witness it when I was in Europe, but not inside the structures, outside the structure. But you're making a point. I mean, that's what the problem with Christianity is viewed in the wrong light

is people have fallen in love with this idea of separation of church and state. It's like you go do what you do in your building, and then you go out here and do whatever, and that's why Jesus is turning that on its head. This is a movement. The kingdom is a movement at the ground level where people suffer, where people are being, you know, injustices are happening. People are being judged, you know, based on the color of their skin or whatever it is.

And it's like, well, you go to church and do whatever, but don't do anything about life's problem. And Jesus is like, I am the answer to these problems. The kingdom is about us being public about that. That's why all those verses about helping the poor and giving money and taking care of widows and orphans, and treating everyone as made by God and sharing Jesus. I mean, he made that really clear that he is for everyone. And so I think that's really what we got to get back to. I mean, as members of the kingdom, him eating with the tax collectors and sinners,

you know, we talked about these meals. Just think back to Luke 15. We didn't really bring that up. Him was that kiss? What did he say? I'm going to your house today. What did they do? They had a meal.

That's right. It's the same principle that's the undertone's there. And that's what we should be doing because when you fast forward to look at what he provided, right after that resurrection, he breathes on his disciples. He gives them the spirit. And he's like, as the Lord, I mean, as the father sent me, I now send you. Yeah. And so then Paul, all his letters makes sense about,

We're the temple. We house the Holy Spirit. We have become the kingdom of heaven on earth, which is the same thing Jesus prayed. You remember when he said your kingdom come on earth as it is in heaven. And I think that's what our responsibilities are. So yes, you're going to be persecuted. People are not going to like it. But I think that's what we're supposed to be doing.

So, Jay, also, you mentioned that was Luke 19. You mentioned Sykes. but also you said Luke 15. You remember the whole setup of Luke 15 and the two brothers and this sort of war of ideology was about meals. Same thing. It started out because they noticed Jesus was eating meals with sinners and tax collectors. And then he paints this picture.

And where did the division happen over the meal? The lost son comes home. They have a big feast, a celebration. And the older brother says, no can do. I'm not going to celebrate with him because he needs to be punished, not saved. And so it's that same idea. You're right. It's like all over our text.

Well, he's given a picture, especially in the one I read in Luke 24, where, you know, in their culture, when you're the one doling out the bread, you're like the head of the table. You're the patriarch here. And so as our resurrected Lord, I mean, it is a picture of a forever family. And when you think of all the meals you've had in your entire life, I believe that curtain's going to be rolled back. We're going to be resurrected. And having a meal together is part of this eternal existence for us. Because he didn't have to eat the food to sustain life anymore.

He just proved that. So why is he doing? And it's bringing out a picture of relationship and friendship and friendship and family. And that's why, you know, this time of years a difficult time for a lot of people because their family is in disarray or they've had poor family memories that they have to deal with. And they're crying for totally different reasons. But, you know, the answer is you can be a part of God's family. And that's what this is all about. I think that's what he was trying to portray.

Yeah, I think he's exactly right. And, yeah, I hadn't really thought about all those other instances. and especially Peter saying that about the importance of what it was like to share those meals, which really opens that door up. It's why we always talk about it. I mean, I've always felt like our family's best way to reach people has been to experience hospitality as a part of what we do, whether it's been through the years groups. We have people in our home to study the Bible or even just to have somebody in from me.

I mean, Trent was on the last couple of podcasts. and you guys broke bread for a week, which God bless you, Jace, because I don't know what your grocery bill was. Well, we spent the first run. It was a fine piece. I'm going to tell you, which, look, I mean, I don't want to, you know, I usually stay out of politics, but I heard the president say something the other day that I thought, wait, what?

He said something like this was the most, the fourth least expensive turtons. and groceries, you know, in our history. And I thought, what? I went to the grocery store first run and spent over $800 because I just had two adults and three kids coming to stay with me. Two days later, we backed that up with another $400. I was looking at the bill. Look, that's $1,200 for a week, which made me think, how are these other people doing this? How are people in our culture with all the, you know, inflation and...

It's a struggle. I'm like, I had one family come in and just spent $1,200. And look, two days later, as they're leaving, all those groceries, gone. I told Missy, because she had to go to Nashville, I said, I have to now go replenish. Well, I spent another $3.50 after that. happened. So then I'm like, and then our president said, this is the cheapest Thanksgiving meal. I was like, it's kind of like saying, you know, it's raining outside. And he said, it's not raining. I mean, I've never seen groceries this high in my life. What's funny is Jay, so Alex sent me, because we miss Thanksgiving this year because we were in Europe.

And Alex sent me a picture. And because the Lang offers had Thanksgiving meal with our family this year. And she sent me a picture of Trent. And, of course, he had a big thumbs up. And he had a plate in his hand with this thumbs up and this grin on his face. And I had to say it's the most impressive piling of food onto one cylinder I've ever seen. I mean, the fact that he could get the height without, you know, spilling it was incredible. And I just thought, that man is in heaven. Yeah.

Well, here's what's amazing now. And I didn't go buy a turkey because we, we're, were more, you know, seafood. And I had a deer. I had a, and it wasn't one of my little small dears that I usually have. This was a medium size. So not only did we, you know, spend $1,200 on groceries, and we ate a whole deer that I didn't pay for. I mean, I guess it costs one bullet.

But that's it. So, which as hunters, you know, you can circumvent the prices out. there and so just go get your own wild game. But I'm just saying it was it was really impressive, but it made me realize number one, I don't know what they're they're spending out of Washington, but groceries are high. I just did that. And when you're hospitable, that's part of it. Right. But to the point we've made on this whole podcast, the idea of Thanksgiving, which supposedly goes back to the early people that came here. to this country and the bounty that they shared from what they have there. And even all the old

pictures you see is even a combination of trying to do that with the folks that were already here is, again, it's a spiritual concept. We give God glory and blessing and thanks for all the bounty that we enjoy, and whether that's a little or a lot. So even Jason, somebody spent, you know, $120 instead of $1,200, for them that may be everything they have. had to be able to have their family, but they still give thanks to God. Thanks and giving are tied together. That's exactly right. Because you gave, you gave us everything.

Right. Thank you for doing that, and we're going to show it to others. And what's the centerpiece? What's the centerpiece of this thought, a meal? It's a meal where everybody comes together and brings food together and has that. That's the sad, sad part is the people will stand there, many of them and say there is no God. And we're saying, oh, he's right in front of you.

You just, you can't spot him yet. Yeah, that's exactly right. Well, and then, of course, Lisa and I didn't, you know, they don't celebrate Thanksgiving where I was. And so there was, you know, it was a different mindset of where we were. So it's kind of interesting that it is a uniquely American holiday. But I'm kind of with you on that day about the price of it. I just say the next meal you have,

imagine having an the next meal you have imagine having a meal with the resurrected Lord. There you go. I think that's going to happen. Well, let's talk a little bit more about that in our overtime because we're out of time.

Eventually, we're going to get to the 10 minas in Luke 19. Probably the next podcast. Zach's supposed to be back with this as well. So if you want to come over, we'll talk a little bit more about these meals and maybe even hear more about our Thanksgiving meal, which I miss.

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