Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 802 | Phil Tries to Keep Up with Uncle Si & Jase Stumbles Upon a Weird, Ominous Barn Gathering

Episode Date: December 14, 2023

Jase retells his experience with a truly weird, unsolved mystery about a barn gathering he happened upon in the woods in a foreign country. Phil gets a whole new setup for recording, and he wastes no time putting it to good use with some powerful preaching about the when and where of Jesus’ prophesied kingdom. The guys discuss the often misunderstood text from Luke 19 and how Jesus had to destroy the old system of salvation to build a new one. In this episode: Luke 19; Luke 22, verses 14-17; Luke 11, verse 20; Mark 13, verses 1-2 https://philmerch.com — Get your “Unashamed” mugs, shirts, hats & hoodies! Own "The Blind: The True Story of the Robertson Family" on digital, DVD & Blu-ray today: https://theblindmovie.com/watch — Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? To me, this should be a part of the podcast. What are we? Are we doing exorcisms now? I don't go. I don't go down that road. Oh, Phil, you got a new get-up.

Huh? Yeah. You'll solve the problem. When Sa, when he has that on his head, he's ten times better. Just about everything. Huh. So the bar is high, Phil.

Well, I never. thought I'm trying to be catching up with sire on something. So welcome back to Unashame. I'm still down here at the Southern Lair. Zach's still beaming in. Zach's good to have you back. It's good to be back. I wouldn't miss it for the world.

I wouldn't. He wouldn't miss it for the world, but he might miss it for a phone call or a trip to who knows where. Yeah. Maybe something like that. It's always good to have Zach in the house. Jace had the best opening line that. He walked in.

He sat there. What was your line, Jason? I'm not late. What did you say? I looked on my, the clock on my truck, and it said 10.03. We were going to start at 10 o'clock, but I was out in the parking lot here. And I was talking to Zach Dasher about the kingdom. Hello, Zach.

And so then I said, after I realized, I've been sitting here for five minutes. And I said, are you going to be on the podcast today? And he's like, yeah, I'm here. I was like, well, let me come on in there and join you and let's continue our conversation. So when I won't know, I thought you were driving. I thought he must be still on the road. He's late and out and bring Chick-fil-A.

So he's just taking this time. You know, no, there's no breakfast. When Al's not there. When I'm not there, you fast. That makes me, you appreciate when I'm in town. So I was like, yeah, Zach went, went dormant on him. I could see him talking to somebody, but he was muted. So I couldn't hear y'all's conversation.

What's ironic is dad and I were also talking about the kingdom and NT Wright and all this stuff that y'all were talking about. So we were having separate meetings as we were waiting to start the podcast. So I got to mention, dad, because those that are watching the YouTubers and whatnot. So you got a new setup today. It's because we have some mic issues sometimes with dad. you kind of move around a little bit. You know, and so we have to adjust your mic. So Maddie, our crack staff of one, has attempted to fix your mic issues by having a mobile unit now.

And so you look, you look like your pilot maybe, air traffic control. A pilot. Yeah, pilots have the little thing. Yeah, it's got to look. But I noticed I did a size podcast the other day, and he wears one. Yeah. And it made him. 10% better.

I mean, one, because he, he can never stay in front of him, Mike. And he's such a noise maker. They have a pad on the table where,

because he would, he talks and he hits the table. And so they put a, they put a pad there so he could, it wouldn't, you're right though. It's quite the experience. Oh,

I mean, look, we do a podcast for the TV show and he's banging the table. And so the sound man, who, you know, the crew,

allowed to like interrupt the proceedings because we're just going off but he's like pointing at sigh and pointing at his wrist look because say we'd bang on the table and he has a wrist watch on he's one of the 14 people that still wears a wristwatch and it was clanking so i was like sigh you're quit banging on the table and he's like hey why i said the sound man is saying that it's like you're watch you what so he took his watch off and threw it at me oh man he got aggressive he got aggressive it's the sound man it's not me i don't care where you're watching well you're dealing with low tech people in a high tech world so that's the first thing you already get in your head low tech men and a high tech world and you're comfortable with that you're a leg

figure if they catch about a third of what i have to say good enough So you have your own buffer. Well, I'll have more sub it, just call it. I've always said, I don't know, you know. Sa is like medicine. He's better in small doses, you know, because everybody, everywhere I go. They're like, where's Sa?

I was like, be careful what you wish for now. Short term, awesome, long term. Oh, no. A little bit of side goes a long way. Well, Phil said, well, we started this conversation before the camera was rolling. And Phil said, if I'm catching up. with Si, because the point that Jay's made was that it made, when, when Sai got the headset, he said it made him better at everything.

And the Phil's line was, if I'm catching up with Sai, something's wrong. I would take dad's comments to me, a third of dad equals 100% of the rest of us. That's true. You only need a third of that. 33% of dad goes a long way. Agreed to agree. So, Jay's, another thing I had to mention, because I was telling you, you guys in the last couple of podcasts about my trip to Europe.

And so I was amazed to see that Jace has reached. And we know what he's done in the U.S. Because of his love of macaroons. And the Dollar General now has, you know, sow macaroons all across the fruited plains out in the rural areas, which is where DGs are. And so we know his impact here. But what I didn't know, Jase,

was apparently your reach is now going across the pond. because I was in Germany and there was a pack of macaroons. And I think Maddie has a, Maddie, you got those there. You can show Jaises. These are German macaroons? They put a little,

I noticed they put a little dark chocolate on the bottom of theirs, but when Alex saw it, she had to buy it, she said, look, Jason is even his reach is in Germany now because they're making macaroons there. So I just,

I wanted to present that to, Jace, as a gift from the other side of the world. Well, as a connoisseur of relics and history, because a treasure hunt, I will say the only thing I can read on this package, because my German is a little shaky. It says, well, I thought it said since 1888, but it says seat 1888, which I guess the German word for sense is. Can you spell that? Isseate? doing S-E-I-T.

How do you say that? S-T-I-T. S-E-I-T. Sait, I think. Sense. The translation, you're right. Yep. Is sense.

I figured I had a pretty good shot at that one. That was good, man. Changed you're a linguist. We didn't even know that. So, I mean, how, now you bought these, how long ago? It was probably five days ago. You had me at the hesitation now. Well, I wasn't exactly sure because I didn't buy them.

I'm not going to eat the chocolate, but I am going to break it open to where the actual coconut macaroon is. Because that is what I'm all about. I will try it. I will try most things. Fresh from Germany, ladies and gentlemen. Not so fresh from Germany. I'm fixing to try a German macaroni. Coconut macaroon.

Because you know we've had the ones from Dollar General, which he loves. And we've talked about those. Usually desserts are not as sweet in Germany. Are you ready for the Roman? Because we're going to talk about Rome today. Yeah. Oh, thumbs up. Germans got it.

Germans got it. The Cocus Macarena. I wouldn't have put all the chocolate over it. That's unnecessary. A little overkill. But the actual middle of the macaron, which this is called a Rassizsinski. Coco Scuple. This is a

Cocos macaroonan. No, it says Cocoa scuple. That's what they call a Cocoa scuco with a K-O-K-O-K-O-S-K-U-P-P-E-L. That is a co-couple. Like everything else, think about it, and you just, you mentioned it, Jay, since 1888. So, like, when our country was about 100 years old,

they were making macaroons over in Germany. They were. So everything is a little bit older on the other side of the pond. I'll tell you a funny story. I went to Germany and celebrated Christmas with our military station there years ago. Because Sa had, he spent a couple of tours there in Germany to same base. And I got lost on the way, my wife and there was a couple of others with us. we got lost to wherever we were supposed to go.

So like an idiot, I mean, we got real loss. I pulled out in the yard of a farmhouse. There was only a couple vehicles there. And as I was walking toward the house, there was kind of a barn. And I could see lights there, and there were two, look like security guys standing in front of the barn doors. So you got to remember, I don't know German. So I walked up there and was like, do you know where I'm trying to, I had a map in my hand.

So when they opened the door, it was a, it was like a, it looked like a casino. I mean, it was, everybody was well dressed. They had like the little roulette wheel. It was in a barn. But when you walked in, it looked like Las Vegas in our workings of the casino. But then I noticed everyone was armed. There was scantily clad women, and I realized in that moment. Always a bad sign when you enter a building, and it's full of armed men, and you don't know why.

Yeah. And so at that point, I realized that I'm now in danger. I'm out in the countryside of Germany, and I have stumbled across this. And so I just started saying, Jesus, Jesus. I'm, that's off. What else? I mean, I figured that's universal. I'll come in peace.

I'm a follower of Jesus. No one helped me. America, that's dangerous starting line. I'm here because of Jesus. They went, they'll go for the gun now. I don't know why I'm telling you that story, but that happened in my life. And I just thought, how crazy is this? So we were in the Bavarian region of Germany, which is kind of the,

It's the hills. It's beautiful there. And one of our little excursions, we went to this working farm. And this farm has been the same family. Now, catch this. You talk about things older. 450 years, they've been working this farm. There's horses there and cows.

This beautiful place. And, of course, it did snow, so it was really pretty. But on the property, they have a beer garden, which they spell beer, B-I-E-R. You know, we spell it B-E-R. But they've been, somebody locally has been brewing beer and they have it at this place. But we went in there and the guys that are doing the tour, you know, of course, it's, you know, for tourists. So they're wearing the leader hosen and the socks and they got a guy playing the accordion the whole time. And, you know, it was just kind of their cultural thing about what they do.

But it was, it was amazing when you realize how long these people have been, you know, it was encouraging to me because it was like a family. farm and then the guy that on the farm came in showed us some of the German they got these what we were called the slappy dance they do these dances you know that they I mean it was amazing it was just the whole thing was a cultural you know learning point for me but we thoroughly enjoyed our time in Germany is fantastic and you're right side was there I think he did three tours actually and of course that's where Tracea Lee was born and we told the story before that could have been a mixed up identity hospital situation because she's beautiful and super smart and size not necessarily either one of those. So we're trying to figure out she's got blind hair. We're not making any accusations. We're just saying, we're trying, we've been trying to figure that out. She's almost 50 years old. We've been trying to figure out.

I'm sure it all checks out, but just the eighth wonder of the world. Eighth wonder of the world. She is amazing. And she's an Aggie, too. So, all right. So are we finally going to get to Luke 1911 today? Is it going to happen? Do you think, or do y'all have a rabbit you want to chase before?

I think we just need to read it so that we, like, we have to force ourselves into it. So let's, I will say this as the setup. We've been part of the reason we wound up spent a couple of podcasts leading into this is we've been talking a lot. Luke has, and through Jesus's obviously speeches, about. the kingdom. And this is another one of those passages as we're leading up to him coming into Jerusalem. So that's kind of the setup for why we've kind of been getting to this point. Because remember, he had three encounters with the rich young ruler, Zacchaeus, and then the blind beggar that knew who he was. He was the son of David. And in the midst of that, he predicted that he was going to

have to die once he got to Jerusalem. We're now we're there. He's right there about to go in. And he's right there about to go in. And so he tells this one last story. And it's kind of a, as Jay said last time, it's kind of a little bit of a controversial story because people aren't sure where to slot this in. But I think it, I think once we get into it and then do the rest of this text to make a lot of sense. I'd just say just going into the study of when the kingdom of God is coming, what's amazing to me is Matthew, I've been saying this all along. If you get Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. Combobulated.

You get all that confused. Over and over, it's almost the precise statement. From that time on, this is way over in Matthew 16, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John. The message over and over and over and over. From that time on,

Jesus began to explain to his disciples. disciples that he must go to Jerusalem got to do it suffer many things at the hands of the elders chief priest teachers in the law they'll fight him all the way there that he must be killed so when someone says well you know I can't believe they did this and they did that I must die that the reason I came the reason the kingdom is coming is because I must die for the sins of the world, but he just said, I must be killed and didn't elaborate on why. On the third day be raised to life. Peter took him aside and said, look, began to be rebuked him.

Here was the reaction he got all through Matthew, Mark, Luke, John. They all said, never, Lord. I mean, they're basically saying your job and your outreach to the mankind, it's not going to happen. by you going up there and dying for the whole bunch, and us included. By the time you get through with Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, just look for that. Matthew, what did he say?

Mark, Luke, John. What did Jesus say about his visitation period? He said, I have to do this. He's trying to explain to him that's going to save everybody who sinned. I'm here to solve their problem. by getting rid of their sins, wiping him clean, starting all over. You can be born again, and you can be raised from the dead because that's what's going to happen. So over and over and over, therefore, I've said for everybody who claims to be a follower of Jesus,

read what Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John take the final two pages in each one of those books. Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, take the final two packages. And what he says all the way through this, he does it. And then he said, now, all authority has been given to me, therefore go make disciples, do what I've been doing, and I'll be with you to the end of the day, to baptize them in the name of the Father, Son, Spina. It's all there. Matthew, Mark, Luke, John.

And why people get confused about when it's going to come, you get to Acts chapter 2 when Peter's been sent out to preach the gospel, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. Go but keep telling them at Peter until they put you in a grave. Keep telling the story. And that's the way it is to this day. The kingdom did come. There was a lot of carried on and some heavy winds and power,

coming out of the skies. I mean, it was an event, never to be duplicated again. It's there. The kingdom is established. You get it through faith in Jesus, his death, barrel, and resurrection, like he said, and you will be granted

as a son or daughter of God. Go forth, tell your neighbors, and that is precisely what we are doing at this moment seated here, 2,000 years later. So the headset's working.

That's excellent. We got more than 33%. That's good stuff there, Dad. You're exactly right. Here's the irony, Dad. To dream up something on when the kingdom is going to get here. What's the kingdom like? It's the craziest thing I've ever seen.

The whole thing is why Jesus came. The king came to the earth. Died, was buried and raised from the dead. He said he was going to do it over and over and over. he did do it. And everybody said, yeah, we're waiting on the kingdom to get here. You said, waiting on it to get here. Are you crazy?

But here's the irony of the situation. So that's right. He's giving us the view and looking at it 2,000 years later. In the moment that this was about to happen, the irony is the people, and this is the context for what Jay's about to read, the people were ready for it to happen because he's there. The king is here. What they didn't know was that he had to die,

which is what he'd already told his disciples. So what's weird about that is... How do you win when you die going in? Exactly. Who would ever set up a kingdom where the king comes in and then dies and it suffers greatly for the sins of the people? No one but the almighty God in the heaven is the answer. Exactly.

All right, Jays. All right. I'm going to read it, but I will say because it's been a month since we've picked up here. So this is right after the last miracle in Luke 18 where it was a, it was kind of a moment where this blind man is sitting on the side of the road and he declares Jesus as the son of David, you know, and his disciples were like, whoa, whoa, shh. Because Jesus acknowledging that, because everybody knew what that meant.

Yep. that meant your claiming to be this fulfillment of the king of kings coming to earth when that's acknowledged. So the reason that was quite the moment is because once Jesus decided to go public with that, well, now he has become a threat to other kingdoms. If someone's claiming to be a king publicly, well, the other kings are saying, wait just a minute, here. And they're looking for an army of followers that are all equipped with weapons and okay you have to drop. So that just happens. And we'll revisit that once. Let me give you this Old Testament quote here because it'll make the point you just made. This is in 2nd Samuel

chapter 7 verse 12 through 16. When your days are fulfilled and you lie down with your fathers, I will raise up your offspring after you who shall come from your body. Listen to the language here, and I will establish his kingdom. Verse 13, and he shall build a house for my name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever. I will be a father to him, and he shall be my son. When he commits iniquity, I will discipline him with the rod of men, with the stripes of the sons of men. But my steadfast love will not depart from him as I looked, sorry, as I took it from Saul, who I put away before you in your house and your kingdom, shall be made sure forever before me, your throne shall be established forever.

That was Samuel to David. That was Samuel to David, which is, I would argue, is a messianic prophecy. It is. Fulfilled in Jesus to the point that he was just making in Luke 18 when he says, Son of David. Correct. It's a reference back to some of these messianic prophecies about the coming of the Messiah. So to Jason's point.

That's why, Zach, he said to the, in verse, 31 chapter 18 of Luke, which Jason is going to cover shortly. We're going up to Jerusalem and everything, everything. Now, just think about that. Everything of all of what's been written that I had laid my hands on them, the prophets and all, they all came and they, everything that is written by the prophets about the son of man will be fulfilled. I mean, I just don't know how you can miss that

and still wait on the king to get here. But if you notice the language in Second Samuel of this messianic prophecy that Jesus will be the son of David, it's also directly linked to what? The kingdom, which is, I think, the point of Jesus. Even in Luke 1 in the song, Zachariah's song about John the Baptist, he mentioned in verse 69, He has raised up a horn or strength of salvation for us in the house of the servant of David,

which John the Baptist would prepare. It's just a little confusion, Jason, on here and near. Near is one thing. Here is. Which part of this parable will definitely deal with the timing issue because that becomes the context. Yeah, which is part of the problem in this, which is why we're setting this up like this. So that happens. So it's kind of like a public display.

You feel like, okay, there's a public display here going on. And just to look back at our kind of our outline, and I jotted these two things down. But he hasn't made this public until now. Well, he's definitely not, I mean, even in what we're fixed to read, when his the triumphal entry, which is the next paragraph. Yep. And they're all seeing him, blessed is the kid. king who comes in the name of the Lord.

Well, the Pharisees, when they heard that, oh, shush. So once you have the disciples trying to shush the blind man, and in Matthews account, there's two blind men. So, you know, they're making this public display of there he is. And even the Pharisees are, oh, shush, shh, because you don't, if you want a good way to die in that world, has come out and claim you're a king. That's just the truth. But just looking at the outlines that we've looked at,

you know, N.T. Wright, just, he doesn't really have an outline that I found, but he's saying what we're saying as far as the undercurrents or the overhead of Luke, is you're seeing a lot of discussion about the temple. Because even Jesus in the book of John is claiming to be in and of himself a type of temple. Because you think, what does a temple do? It's where God is. It's where you go and encounter God. God. That's when everybody there starts scratching their head. Well, but then the next theme is this idea

about the kingdom. This kingdom is coming. And then you see what you pointed out accurately, that Jesus is the fulfillment of all these prophecies and what we see in the next part of Luke 19 right after this public display that Jesus is the son of David, the messianic king that has come, is you have Jesus taking a tax collector who is not viewed favorably in that culture and he goes to his house and people are just they're shocked they're like I mean why in the world would you pick that guy so he says in verse 9 of 19 today's salvation has come to this house which what a statement that is because who came to the house he did he did yeah who are you claiming salvation at the same the followers of Jesus, the disciples in verse 34, the disciples did not understand any of this.

It was hidden from them. Yeah, that's 1834. So he says to Zechius, today salvation has come to this house because this man too is the son of Abraham. For the son of man, speaking of himself, came to seek and to save what was lost. Now, while they were listening to this, he went on to tell them a parable because he was near Jerusalem. And the people thought that the kingdom of God was going to appear at once. Now, that's the controversial line where people make a lot of views about the kingdom based on that verse. So then he tells a parable, and then what modern churches do is, for you.

Forget about the kingdom, forget about the temple, forget about Jesus is king. And they just make an analogy of what you do with your money while we're waiting on Jesus to come back. But the reason we're setting this up is because he's telling them this parable, because the people thought that the kingdom of God was going to appear at once. Exactly. And why would they be thinking that? Because John the Baptist said it was near. Jesus said it was near.

There's also a passage before I read the rest of the story. Where is this that? And you remember in Luke 11, when he prayed, he said, your kingdom come. And in Matthew's version it says, come on earth as it is in heaven. Is in heaven. Yeah, well, then there's an obscure verse in verse 20 of chapter 11 that says this. But if I drive out demons by the finger of God, then the kingdom of God has come to you.

Well, he was driving out demons. So they're like, and think about it from the disciples' perspective. This guy can create food at a thin air. Part of any kind of war conflict, if they're thinking about a physical kingdom and an overtaking of Roman rule, which is at the base of what all these people wanted to do. We want a king that overthrows this oppression. If this guy can create food out of thin air and he can heal all diseases and he can raise the dead, he would have quite the army, even if it was just him.

Yeah. As far as the battle is concerned. It's according to what you won't done. So, you know, before I continue reading, before you see, say, well, wait a minute, what was he meaning that the kingdom was coming? Well, he also says this a couple chapters later, because the issue is, what does that mean, that they thought the kingdom was going to happen instantaneously? So where are you? That's right. So I want to read this, and we haven't got here yet, but in Luke 22, I want to read another thing that seems to be

contrary to what I just read. But I think when you put all these pieces together, you'll see, number one, how the controversy happened. And number two, take a deep breath. There's no controversy. He's just introducing the idea of the kingdom in various ways and that he is the king. And the further we go down this road to Jerusalem,

you're going to see why he is king of kings. Your point. Yep. So look in Luke 22 in verse, 14. So this is the last supper. When the hour came, Jesus and his apostles reclined at the table, and he said to them, I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer. So he's fixed to die. For I tell you, now, now watch this statement. I will not eat it again until it finds fulfillment in the kingdom of God. That moves it imminent.

Well, right. You're like, huh. After taking the cup. up he gave thanks and said take this and divide it among you for i tell you i will not drink again of the fruit of the vine until the kingdom of god comes so we'll explore that but i'm just i wanted to read all these things that where people read and they get a little confused about that but the issue and we'll address that but the issue at hand back to luke 19 is that all the people thought that the kingdom of god was going to appear at once he said a man of no one of no one birth, went to a distant country to have himself appointed king, and then to return. So he called ten of his servants and gave them ten minutes, or about three months wages.

Put this money to work, he said, until I come back. But his subjects hated him and sent a delegation after him to say, we don't want this man to be our king. Now, if I just stop right here, it's important that you're getting, you're getting the gist of why Jesus is telling this story. There's going to be those who recognize him as king and those who don't. And it's really going to be, come to a situation where Jesus, by going public, he's actually saying either kill me or crown me.

That's why Jesus is so radical. The points in between... Two thousand years since this was going on what you're reading, 2,000 years later that the anti-kingdom people are still there. Exactly. Well, think about it. The earth is divided into two categories.

There are those who believe Jesus is king. That's right. And just by believing that, your life will utterly change. No doubt. Immediately and as it continues on. We just made a movie about it. Then there are those who say, well, I don't think Jesus is king. He wasn't the son of God.

And there you got. And your worldview changes. as well. Let's take another break, too. So he continues, verse 15. He was made king, however, and returned home. Then he sent for the servants to whom he had given the money in order to find out what they had gained with it. The first one came and said,

Sir, your mena has earned ten more. Well done, my good servant, his master replied, because you have been trustworthy in a very small matter, take charge of ten cities. The second came and said, Sir, your mena has earned five more. His master answered, you take charge of five cities. Then another servant came and said, sir, here's your minna.

I have kept it laid away in a piece of cloth. I was afraid of you because you are a hard man. You take out what you did not put in and reap what you did not sow. His master replied, I will judge you by your own words, you wicked servant. You knew, did you, that I'm a hard man, taking out what I didn't put in and reaping what I didn't sew. why didn't you put money on deposit so that when I came back, I could have collected it with interest? Then he said to those standing by, take his minute away from him and give it to the one who has ten minutes. Sir, they said he already has ten. He replied, I tell you that to everyone who has, more will be given.

But as for the one who has nothing, even what he has will be taken away. those, now here's a key verse, those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them, bring them here and kill them in front of me. Now normally I would stop here, but I'm not going to stop because if you stop here, I think you're going to miss his point. So remind the word of the Bible and verse right here. So I'm in now verse 28 of chapter 19, 1928. So after Jesus said this, he went on ahead going up to Jerusalem. And now there's a passage that we're really familiar with about the triumphal entry of Jesus.

And we'll read that in our subsequent podcast. But I wanted to skip down to verse 37. When he came near the place where the road goes down, the Mount of Olives, the whole crowd of disciples began joyfully to praise God and loud voices for all the miracles they had seen. Blessed is the king who comes in the name of the Lord, peace in heaven and glory in the highest. Now some of the Pharisees in the crowd said to Jesus, teacher, rebuke your disciples. I tell you, he replied, I tell you he replied, if they keep quiet, the stones will cry out. So he's going public that he is king, which is going to be a moment where you're either going to

crown him or kill him and we all know what happened. Yep. Yeah. So watch. In verse 41, because this is going to help you understand the parable of the 10 minutes, as he approached Jerusalem, this Jerusalem keeps coming up. That's where he's going. He's going to die. And saw the city, he wept over it and said, if you, even you, had only known on this day what would bring you peace? Well, what day is this? This is the triumphal entry, his public display that the king is here, and he came riding in on a donkey. He said, if you had known, had only known on this day what would bring you peace,

but now it is hidden from your eyes. The days will come upon you when your enemies will build an embankment against you and encircle you and hem you in on every side. They will dash you to the ground. you and the children within your walls, they will not leave one stone on another because you did not recognize, which I said is the whole point of that parable.

It's recognizing who Jesus is. Correct. You do not recognize the time of God's coming to you. Now here's why I read the whole thing, and y'all know why I did. I know for a fact when this happened in verse 44. I know when the people encircled Jerusalem, 43 and 44, when they dashed it to the ground and the children within their walls,

and I know what happened when not one stone was left on another. It happened in AD 70, did it not? It did. It did. There's currently no temple like this in Jerusalem. That was the last time that the temple was there. never to be rebuilt. Evidently, never to be rebuilt, although they're trying to figure it out.

And when you add in the approach that where does Jesus go next, well, in verse 45, he enters the temple area and begins driving out those who are selling. Now, in this moment, you have to realize he's acting like he owns this place. Because he does. It is written. said, my house, my house, who's this guy I think he is? And when you tie in all the things to NT Wright's point, I was saying about what John said about Jesus view and look, you destroy this temple and I'll raise it up in three days. And they're like, it's taking us years to

build this temple. What are you trying to say? But the temple he was referring to, that's in John chapter two, was his body. So in this moment, you kind of feel this, I am the temple. So then he says every day he was teaching at the temple, but the chief priest's the teachers of the law and the leaders among them, they're trying to kill him. Yet they could not find any way to do it because all the people hung on his words. And so my view, and then I'll turn it over to y'all, the point of the parable is to explain that the kingdom is in your midst.

It is imminent. And what I believe when Jesus dies and is buried and is raised, he becomes the true dwelling place of God. I mean, you remember back to John 1, it said, in the beginning was the word, words with God, and the word was God. And then in verse 14, it says, and the word became flesh and made his dwelling, which if you look at the Greek word, tabernacle, he made his dwelling among us. God came here. So you see when he destroys sin on the cross and he destroys death itself. And by that he destroyed destruction itself. He becomes in that moment king of kings, the ultimate king.

And then what happens? He leaves. You know, he stayed here for 40 days, gave many convincing proof that he was alive. Chapter 20. He gives this promise, Phil, that he's going to pour out his Holy Spirit and make that available. So then people surrender to the king. They recognize him as king because of what he did. They received the Holy Spirit.

And then what do they do? Then they become the holy temple of the living God on earth. And it mentions preaching the gospel, the people in the temple courts and preaching the gospel. So that goes along with the kingdom. Yeah. So in this moment, you feel like he is declaring that I'm the temple, and he's fixed to prove it. But he's also throwing in the fact that this old system of things is going to be destroyed because the reason they didn't recognize him and what he was supposed to do, because they were putting all their faith and hope in the actual physical temple,

which had a purpose under the Old Testament of going to encampes, counter God in bringing sacrifices. He was saying, we're fixed to change the cosmos. We're turning that on its head. You want to have a relationship with God? Come to me. And so that's the synopsis of the section. Mark 13, I think, gives a, I love the context of Mark 13,

because what you read at the end of, or verse 44 in Luke 19, says and tear you down to the ground, which we would believe that's the, they'll encircle your children and all that. We believe that's 80, 70. And they will leave, they will, they will not leave one stone upon another in you because you did not know the time of your salvation. If you read like what happened in this kind of same time frame in Mark's account, he, I love how he talks about these stones being, being crushed, which there's also a prop, a prop,

in Isaiah chapter 27 about this, about the stones and the ashram poles. Because think about the temple. What had happened in the temple is that they had continued to make the temple into a den of robbers, which Jesus calls them out on. They had brought the ashram poles. What were the poles they brought in? And the worship of bail and the fertility gods, they had repeatedly turned this temple into something that it wasn't.

And so in this same period, in Mark's account, it says, and as he came, this is in Mark 13, and as he came out of the temple, because of Mark's account, he goes into Jerusalem on the triumphal entry, he goes into the temple and has some altercations, comes out of the temple. And one of his disciples said to him, as he's coming out of the temple, says, look, teacher, what wonderful stones and what wonderful buildings. So clearly what he's recognizing when he's talking about these stones that are going to be crushed, he's clearly talking about the temple. He's looking at the temple. He came out of the temple.

They're looking back at the building they just came out of. And the disciples like, man, this is incredible. And I mean, these stones are huge, by the way. And it was a massive structure. It was impressive. But listen to what Jesus says in verse 2 of Mark, chapter 13. He says, and Jesus said to him, do you see these? great buildings, there will not be left here one stone upon another that will not be thrown down.

So this is clearly like temple talk, and I think that Jason, it's so good how you brought that together and connected it with the parable, because it is coming up to this like crescendo moment here that he is saying everything that you thought about the coming of the kingdom, because they're excited about it at first. They're like, man, we think it's imminent. We think it's here. It's coming. We're ready. What they didn't understand was what it was going to mean. They were thinking it's going to be happen inside this structure. So it's two part here. I would say it's Jesus saying that the kingdom is here or imminent. The kingdom is at hand. The kingdom is in your midst. It's all of that. But then it's also this thing about and it's probably not what you were anticipating.

Yeah, you know what I mean. And that's a good thing. It's bigger. But it's not what you were anticipating. you think it's going to be stuck in the structure right here. I'm telling you, that structure's coming down. But it's for your benefit that it comes down because what I'm about to do, like you guys can't even comprehend, but I'm going to be the temple. Mark 12, he talks about this, him being the cornerstone, right? They prophesies about himself being the cornerstone. I'm going to be the cornerstone of this temple.

And then you, you believers in me, you're going to be living stones. This is how Peter says it, built upon me, the cornerstone. You're actually going to be the temple, too. I'll be the cornerstone of it, but you guys are going to be living stones built upon me. And to Phil's point, that means the Holy Spirit's going to come live in you. God's going to live in you. Can you name me another religion where God comes down and lives inside of man? There's not one.

Only in Christ is that true. And it's pretty profound in the picture that he's building here. Yeah, I mean, just think about it. So that's why, you know, if we want to just dumb this down a little bit. So when people read this, they said, well, see, the kingdom didn't come at once back then, because it says he told him this parable. But then when he tells the parable, he's basically saying this king was going to be appointed king, but he was going to leave, which Jesus does.

And the coming back part, when you read at the end of the chapter, seems to be more referring to as the destruction of this physical temple, that you put all your hopes and dreams in, but not because you want to serve God. You're actually using it to use God as a way of making money. And so, you know, he realizes what's fixed to happen, and they're all going to scatter it first because he is going to die,

but then all of a sudden they're going to recognize him because that's what this whole point is about recognizing him as king. And then what are they going to do? they're going to take the gifts that God has given them and it's going to multiply. Exactly. They're going to multiply them. And really, I think what is so powerful and what's so missed when, you know, if a pastor gets up and is trying to talk about why you should multiply things before Jesus comes back,

they missed the whole point. What Jesus's point is, when you declare Jesus as king, it's inevitable. You're going to go public. fruit is going to occur because I'm going to empower you with the Holy Spirit. This is not something that you're going to tuck away and say, hey, let's go meet down at a building once a month. And look, tremble when we go there under the old system because you're having an encounter with God. There's power behind this movement.

Exactly. This is a movement of people. And the spirit. If you can contain God in a building, just think about that. If that's even possible, well, he's not much of a God. anyways. And I think what happened is they were thinking, they thought that God is only in this temple, his presence is only in the tabernacle, his presence is only in the temple built by Solomon and then rebuilt by Cyrus and then expanded upon by in later times. But the point here

is that when they saw the temple in that way, they always made a mockery of it, right? I mean, the one they brought in the Ashropoles, when they brought in that process. I mean, technically, in the Old Testament, that was where he was, and they would go in there, and only the priest could go into the holy of holies, and you had to bring sacrifices because of the consequences of sin. But he's taking that system, which just shows you kind of how God and heaven and earth can intersect, to use NT rights point about that, and giving you a fulfillment in coming down personally and actually living inside you. I like that language of fulfillment over destruction because it's not that God messed up in the past.

This was always the plan. That's why when you read the Old Testament prophets like Isaiah, read Isaiah chapter 2 and it talks about, you know, this temple or this mountain temple, Zion, and all of the nations, all the nations are flowing this anti-gravitational flow up the mountain. the nations, not just Israel, but all the nations to worship the one true God. And so you see it all throughout the Old Testament prophets. You probably couldn't see it then before the fulfillment came. But once the fulfillment came, you're like, oh, well, now everything makes sense, you know, because this is always the plan was God was, he's the God of all of us. It's the, he wants, it's the, it's a multi-ethnic kingdom that he's building and that's being fulfilled in Jesus. And I think that's the big point.

Which is why he had those set up of those encounters with those people, Jason mentioned, going into this discussion. All right, we're out of time. I'm glad we finally got the text out there. Much more to unpack. I think it's a timing issue that sets this whole thing up. And so I'll tell you about my opinion on that in the overtime. If you want to follow us over, blazedtv.com slash unashamed is where we'll do that. See you there.

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