Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 803 | Jase Solves a Big Problem for Missy & Phil Witnesses an Incredible Thing in the Duck Blind

Episode Date: December 15, 2023

Jase helps Missy warm up with a simple trick! Phil and Jase are amazed by what they saw in the duck blind this season and may not ever see again. Al sees something all over Europe that would be of real interest to Phil, and the guys examine the importance of recognizing Jesus as Lord during both ancient and modern times.  In this episode: Luke 19; Matthew 25, verses 14-30 — Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? Welcome back to the unashamed podcast. I noticed, because we record a couple of podcasts in one day, and I've noticed, Zach, that you put a coat on. Yeah, in between the two podcasts. You're a little bit nippy there in North Carolina. What's it? You're not heating your studio? What's going on there? I got to chill. There's a draft in here somewhere, and I'm like, The temperature looks right, but it's not right because I'm cold. Well, let me give you some advice here because last night, I mean, my wife, she's just building fires.

And I got to know if wood I thought for the whole year, but at this pace, I'm not real sure. And she's talking about, you know, getting somebody to come in and seal up all the windows and doors. She's like, I mean, I just cannot get warm. So I just thought it does feel really cold in it because it's cold. It's unseasonably cool in Louisiana in the last three days. So I just walked downstairs and look, and there's a door we have to the outside, wide open. I'm pretty sure it's been open for three days because Miss and I never go down. Oh, man.

Oh, I guess. So I came up, I said, fix the draft problem. And she said, what did you do? I said, I closed the door. Yeah, leave your doors open. It'll cool you off on a coo. It will kill you then. Every time.

This is our big dilemma right now. So we put the, I got the temperature downstairs on 72 heat. It's on heat. I go upstairs. They've got the, that my kids live upstairs. I live downstairs. I go upstairs. They've got it on 68.

Cool. So they've got the AC on upstairs with the heat on downstairs. And I mean, I'm just blowing a gasket. And this has happened like several times. You know what that's called? You're not blowing a gasket. get you're running into a pretty good. That's what I was going to say.

Phil's making a gesture with his hands. Money will just buy you and warm you right up. Well, we were doing the same thing. We're just, we're building a fire only to build a wall of the air that's coming in from a door being open. Yeah. That's what I try to tell the kids,

I'm like, you got to, we had to go through like a physics lesson. I'm like, let me ask you a question. You put a fire. Where does the, where's the heat go when you have a fire?

And they're like, what do you mean? Around you? No, no, no. What does heat do? It rises. It's like it rises. I was like, so if you're above me and I have a fire below you, I'm paying for that fire. You realize that I'm paying money.

So I put money in a account every month that pays for the fire to burn downstairs. And the heat goes above us. And where are you at? They're like, above us? I said, that's right. So where's the heat? And I'm like, so you've got it on cool. If you want to cool the upstairs, then go turn the heat off downstairs.

You don't put the AC on. I mean, this is just, you know, basic 101. Of course, part of the problem is, and your kids may be experiencing this, is Lisa and I, we like to be warm during the day. Yeah. But at night, we like to sleep cooler. So a lot of times the house will warm up, but then I'll have to either turn the heat way down or off, or sometimes even turn the air.

I had to do it last night. Yeah. So it's really interesting. But now I just got back from Europe. And apparently in Europe, you go and stay in a hotel. They make it where you can't turn the air conditioner on at all. So it's just hot all the time. Why do they even have one now?

I don't know. It is, but I see. They control it. They control it. I guess it's climate change. I mean, look, here's the deal. I'm okay. Like if you at nighttime, look, turn it off.

But, well, here's the rule. The rule is that during the winter months in North Carolina, that upstairs unit should never, ever be turned on. That's the rule that I'm trying to instill into my unit. You just don't touch it. You stick it. Whatever you want to happen, that happens downstairs. And then that controls everything.

But anyway, sorry, that's not what you. Yeah, I'm wearing a coat, though, basically. Yeah. So another thing, Dad, I forgot to mention this from my trip. So we were traveling up the Danube River, which is a beautiful river in Europe. A lot of lock systems on it because you're passing through countries. It's kind of unusual because, you know, when you get on a river in the United States, you're in the same country. No matter where you wind up.

But in Europe, because all these little countries are right on top of each other, you're going in a new country. And so they got all these lock systems. But one thing I did notice because I was looking and I saw a lot of it. is there were a lot of ducks on the Danube River. Really? Yeah. First thing I saw was a big group of rooting necks, probably, I don't know, 50 or 60 of them that flew by. And, you know, of course, you know, we're just cruising up the river.

So I get to look at all these. Then I saw a lot of mallards. I saw some pentails. So it's just the same ducks that we had because I didn't know. But then I saw something really interesting. I saw some ducks. They look like in Weegean. And then I heard one.

so I knew they were, but I had my binoculars, so I was getting a good close-up look. The weegean in Europe on the Danube River, instead of having the green tint, the males in their head, it's brown. It's not all brown. And so I looked it up, and sure enough, it's just a different, a little bit different version of the weigin that we have. But I thought it was interesting. I call them the Eurasian widget or. Is that what it is? Yeah, I've seen them before.

Yeah, I didn't know that. I'd never seen that for, but it was really interesting. I saw a lot of ducks all, you know, every country. A severe unmatched by any drought so far, Louisiana. This year is the driest Louisiana's ever been. So how did the, I never asked you how the season in it because right now you're in the split, right? Yeah, the first few days were spectacular. A lot of gadwold and teal, and then it just died.

I think all the ducks went back north. Of course, then it got cold. We're in the split now. But we don't have a lot of water. So if you hunt pretty much every day like we do, you know, after a while, the ducks. They're not off everything. Hey, let's get out of here, which is basically what I have. We had one good day the last seven or eight days.

And there's an asterisk bite because, I mean, the days, I would say the first six, eight days we were averaging 20 ducks a day. and then the last six or eight days it was average 1.5. I mean, it was kind of like deer hunting. If you shot one, you said, hey, I got him. But there was one day in there when nobody wanted to go. And we had, it was me and Phil and Jay, and I think we had... Jersey Joe was there. Jersey Joe.

I think we had Sadie's husband. Yeah, he was there. Christian. And so you realize in that. that moment that the middle of the blind is not going to produce much because Christian and Jersey Joe are kind of newbies to the hunting world. And although they, they learned from Si, because Sai came on opening day, that all you need to really do is shoot three times and then just say, yeah, we got them. So they're pretty good at claiming. So we had an interesting

day that became legendary. And we only shot nine ducks, but it was by far. one of the best days of those six or eight. But I will say it was one of the greatest days ever for one Jay Stone who is married to your daughter, Al. And, you know, it kind of took over my job at Duck Commander. And he's kind of my right-hand man, just about a lot of things, you know. So he just has to. Now his main job is kind of taking care of properties and, you know, our hunting properties and all that. Yeah, so actually how the hunt went.

One would he come over. I think Phil shot him. Great shot. So we're not going to be shut out. And then the next three hours, we saw less than 10 ducks that were not wood ducks. And we only saw a handful of wood ducks. We saw like one teal, one mallard drake, we saw two gadwalls and a few wood ducks. That's basically all we saw.

And so about 9 o'clock, you know, Phil has the, because Phil is the most optimistic duck hunter in the world. At 9 o'clock, he asks a question that caused everyone there to laugh uncontrollably. He said, well, what do you think about tomorrow? And he started naming holes that we could go to that are in my vision. Like, we could go up to that second aisle and, well, you know, I looked up. up at the second island or we could you know we could go to the first island i'm looking i'm like there's no why would we leave you know and go 300 yards over here there's nothing here it's a ghost town but phil was being optimistic but there was one hall we couldn't see which is behind the blind

which is where the few ducks we saw go so i said let me go back there and just look and sneak up there and see if there's any ducks there so i take off in the pierrot and i get back there in the woods, get out of the pee row, I sneak up there. Well, I look at the little opening there, and it's like I had to adjust my eyes because I'm looking at a mallard drake. And I remembered that we had seen one earlier, and I thought, there's that mallard drake. And so about the time I'm processing this, he sees me. And instead of just getting up and flying, which is what they usually do. He just starts like swimming away hurriedly looking back every once and while like, I don't know what that is because I was stealth. I had face pain on. Just in case

whatever that is is dangerous, let me get out of here. But I was still in the brush. So I just made a decision. I thought there's no ducks here. I'm fixed to try to shoot that Mallard Drake. You know, then because I was thinking, I come back to the blind. Hey, I got him, you know. And it was one of very few Mallards we saw. So I just took off. Of course, I I'm waiting. It's about knee-deep. I just took off running. And he started swimming faster.

Well, at that moment, I thought, maybe there's something wrong with him, but I was gaining ground on him, and there was nothing wrong with him. He just didn't want to fly, which is why we weren't seeing any ducks. So he jumps up, and he's right at the range of where I thought,

I don't know. But I thought I'd try him, and I just pull way out in front of him, shot. It was like 1001, and he just, boom! I mean, he folded. And I was, I actually let out an audible,

I got him. Beautiful Mallard. But when I shot, I heard a few other ducks get up out of the brush. Well, then for the next few minutes, while I'm going to get to Mallor Drake, I hear the blind shooting like boom. Or boom. Blind is facing like this. Well, he's got his fist out.

Stone was on the far right. side and the ducks you were flushing from your shot at the mallard which was not on purpose we were not trying to come by look yeah that's against the law we were not rallying birds no and look the only reason this worked is because these ducks did not want to fly so instead of like i mean i just fired a gunshot because i'm way away from them but these ducks actually got up and thought oh there's some ducks here, and they weren't like flying way high. They literally were checking out their

sprint. No one could shoot but stone because the ducks were coming right here. They were coming on his side. Within shotgun range. Exactly. So I hear a few shots, but very few. And so I get to the blind, and there's this pile of ducks. Because I have one, but I'm

like, where did all these ducks come from? Because I thought there wasn't enough shots fired to make sense here, because you're not obviously hitting one every time you shoot in a normal hunting situation. Well, they start telling their story. A teal came out, the one teal we had seen before, Jay, bong, got him. He was on his side.

Well, three gadwals came by, which we had only seen two, and Phil shoots one, and Jay shoots the other two. Yep. So they got those three. You bomp, bomp, bomp. Well, then a wood duck came out. Bomp, Jay shot him. Well, then two.

Wood ducks came out and Jay raises up and in one shot kills them both. That was the story. Well, I started adding this up. Either one of them were crippled. They were just dead. And so I started adding this up. It was the first time in the history that I've been on a duck hunt where we killed more than one or two. We shot nine ducks and we only fired eight shots.

And Jay killed his limit, six ducks. He had three wood ducks, a teal and two gadwals. and he only shot five times. And we only saw about 11. And the young bucks were just looking at what was transparency, good night. You know what they were thinking, Dad? Maybe one day.

Maybe one day they could be me. The consequences of that is Jay has not been able to get his head through a door since. Because he's like, well, boys, I was. conserving shells today. There I was. He had no answer when I said, Stone, I was watching you. That was pretty fancy shooting.

And that's the only, he wasn't so word, no. No. He was just standing tall, you know. In that moment, he was acting like he had been there before, which he had not. But since then, I've heard this story a half a dozen times. So there I was.

you know, boom, boom. I knew I had a perfect shot record. And then the last time, wouldn't you know it? I lined them up and killed two. It got two and one. Two birds in one shot. So kill your living in five. The moral of that story, Jay says, as you mentioned,

the middle of the blind. So a lot of people claim they do that when everybody's shooting. But very few times you get the opportunity because you're the only man shooting that you get to prove what you're saying. That doesn't happen very often, I will say. Well, I told my good friend Barrett in Kansas, who I hunt with usually every year, I take a trip up there. And he's hunted his whole life and is a great shot.

He said, Jace, when I went down there with y'all, he said the anticipation. And when I raised up and was the only one shooting, he said, my hands were shaking so bad because I knew, if I don't pull this off, I am never going to hear the end of this story. He said, it just did something to me. And he's like, I realized in that moment,

I don't want to hunt with y'all. The pressure was more than he could bear. Well, it reminds me of the scene, and they show it quite a bit in the tour. I was walking through the other day, and it came on, and it just, it was such a good scene where y'all were hunting someplace, and you needed one duck.

to complete the full limits for everybody. And I would say two to three thousand ducks piled in, just kept coming and kept coming. And everybody was even kind of chuckling on camera because so many deaths are coming. We only needed one. And finally, somebody said to Billy Red Dog Phillips, W.E.

Now, it just cut one duck. And he raises up. And these 3,000 dust, they start getting up. And they're just everywhere in front of him. And he's boom, boom, boom. and nothing failed. 3,000 ducks, point-blank range.

He misses three times, and he just falls out. He lay on the dirt next to the water, and he was sick. Yeah. Everybody was watching. And then everybody got so tickled. Well, Phil and Bing laughed so hard because we were filming, and I thought, well, he ruined that scene. I mean, he'll never. And so, W.

he said, don't run that. And Phil said, oh, we're running it. And they did. And it is to this day one of my probably top three scenes and all of the Dupman videos. Because, you know, we know Bill so well. We know how much that hurt. And then to have to get, you know, to watch it over and over. It was a lot of fun.

But it reminds me of that pressure. Yeah. All right. So I guess season cranks back up next week. Is that right? Yeah, next day. We still got a couple days of way. We're trying to get some water.

We're not seeing many decks. No, we're trying to get, we need water. We'll send the scout out. You're going to scout it, Jace? Yeah, I'll scout it. I was actually going to go to Barrett's and Hunt, but he put this week down. I put next week down. Tomorrow, Jase, you've got to remember tomorrow, the weather report said it's 100% it will rain.

Tomorrow. Yep, but it's been my experience. Day 60. that there's a rule you duck hunter should live by never trust a weatherman ever yeah it's kind of like they miss it a lot i i dip my toe in the area of politics when i heard the president say it was the cheapest thanksgiving dinner since whenever you know it was the fourth cheapest ever in our country you know since whether people are saying right now i spent two thousand dollars this is a driest year ever recorded in the great state of Louisiana.

No, I know. So what I've said is sometimes you got to stick your head outside and see if it's actually raining. But to my point, when you're feeding seven people for Thanksgiving week and you're getting up into $2,000, I don't see how that can be the most least expensive dinner. That's one of those where days a politician is telling you one thing, but you're in the store buying the groceries and it's like, nope. I heard that and I just turned the TV off.

And Missy's like, what happened? Well, a lot of times when they calculate inflation, they leave out one of the metrics, they leave out food, housing, and fuel. And I'm like, well, yeah. Which is pretty much the main stuff, right? That's where the money goes. Everything's, yeah, inflation looks great if you'd leave out these, these, these, the things people are spending all their money.

Yeah, skyrocketing, yeah. Well, in that vein, we'll get back to Luke 19 because this is one of the more misunderstood chapters in the Bible. And I hope you've stayed with us through this. Yeah, and I think to reset it, Jason's right. So we're in Luke 19. We start in verse 11, and Jace read us all the way through the end of the chapter because all these tie together. And Jason did a really good job of showing you that big picture and what Jesus was saying. but we didn't get into a lot of the specifics of these three separate things that are mentioned here.

The first one was the parable. And we didn't really get a chance to talk about what is he talking about? Because, you know, we kind of dealt with a timing issue of which becomes the kind of controversial part of it. But what is he trying to say? And to me, Jace is right. I've heard people do sermon so much on this about, you know, money, how you handle your money. the expectations of that. And I really believe that's not at all what this is about. I did want to mention, I didn't mention on the podcast before, there's a parable in Matthew 25, 14 through 30,

that's presented by Matthew in a different setting. But it's very similar to this parable. And so scholars go back and forth. Is it the same story? He's just telling it to his disciples is a different story. There are quite a few differences in some of the specifics of the story. My take on it is because that other one is about the, they're called 10 talents, but it's kind of a similar situation where he's saying, you know, this is what you have to use.

What do you do with it? And then, of course, two out of three do pretty well. And then one seems to not do anything. So I think it's one of those, what's he trying to say? And since we kind of established the time frame of this last time that we believe he's laying out the kingdom that we,

that is coming soon, it's going to happen after. he dies and we see it ushered in with the day of Pentecost and then we see 40 years of people having an opportunity to believe and then the temple and Jerusalem were destroyed. So we think that's a big component as well as then the end of time. So what's he saying to these guys about? They began to kill the messengers. Well, my point was when I read like verse 12, when he said, a man of noble birth went to a distant country to have himself appointed king and then to return. I mean, obviously he's talking about himself in a parable.

But it says, so he called ten of his servants and gave them ten menas, put this money to work. He said, until I come back. But his subjects hated him and sent a delegation after him to say, we don't want this man to be our king. Well, who are the people that don't want him to be king? And I think in this context, and he's going to mention them again when he says, At the end. Well, in his triumphal entry, when they said in verse 38, when the people, his disciples are given praise to God, and they say, Blessed is the king who comes in the name of the Lord, peace in heaven and glory in the highest.

But some of the Pharisees in the crowd said to Jesus, you need to rebuke your disciples. Well, what is the problem? They're not acknowledging him as king. So he was obviously given a picture of the Jewish nation in this context about not recognizing Jesus as the son of God, the coming Messiah, the king of kings. And so he was saying, put this, what I've shown you, put this to work, all the signs that he has done, all the miracles, everything he said, all the fulfillment of prophecy. put that to work because this is happening. And so I believe that when he was resurrected, and the reason I'm making a big point about recognizing him,

the whole point of this parable is when you recognize Jesus as king, you're going to put whatever resources you have to work in making other people see that. And whatever the reason is, not just that, you know, maybe the Pharisees didn't recognize him as king. There were other people that weren't recognizing him as king either. Look, fast forward to today, the same things happened. They were putting all their hope and trust in the actual temple, which he gets to in verse 45s, you know, speaking of the, of the Pharisees. But I think here's where you've got to just realize the context of where he's at, what he's speaking to, the prophecies he's fulfilling,

everything he's done up until this point to show people that the king has come, God is making his dwelling among us. The word became flesh. And are you recognizing that? I mean, that is the point in my opinion. I mean, you can make a practical application about today. You know, if Jesus is king and you recognize him, you're going to have these same fruits in your life via the Holy Spirit.

you're going to have the resources and the gifts God's given you to use. It's just inevitable, I think, is the point. I agree, Jason. You made this point when you were reading through it, and I think it is the core of what he was trying to say in the parable itself. If you are a servant who believes in the king, then the natural reaction should be with whatever you do in that kingdom is there should be a multiplication, growth, moving forward mindset. And so I think that's the point he's ultimately making it. Obviously, if you don't

believe in him at all, in fact, you don't even want to accept him as king, there will be no growth and multiplication for you because you don't believe in him. What he gets to here that's a little stickier for anybody, I think, in the kingdom is that you just sit on your hands and do nothing, which was the point with the third guy who had a gift from God and from the king in this situation and did nothing, which tells you a lot about the mindset. Did they really believe he was the king? And so I thought about all the other parables. Remember the parable of the Sower back in Luke 8,

which was the idea about whenever the God, he said the gospel is the seed that goes out. And then he talked about the things that happened that, you know, three out of the four, something comes along and the seed doesn't grow. It does, there's no fruit.

that comes from it. And then the fourth one was the person who said, I accept this, and then I do what naturally comes when I accept the king. And he says it's a hundredfold in that case. And you see this all throughout the New Testament. John 4 talks about it, this idea of harvesting, reaping, and sewing. John 15, Galatians 5, fruit of the spirit. I mean, there's this consistent kingdom mindset that whenever we have the Spirit of God that lives in us, naturally we should grow, bear fruit, impact the world. I mean, all that should be natural to us as kingdom dwellers. I think that's, I've always felt like that was the point. And even the Matthew 25 parable, which is a little bit different, and it was specifically toward the disciples, is saying the same thing. You're about to have 40 years

to impact this world and to try to save as many people, especially from the Jewish people first, later the Gentiles. And I think that's really what he's talking about. Yeah. You think about the rich young ruler too. I mean, like it's when he's asking about how do I, what do I got to inherit eternal life? And Jesus does give him an action, right? He says, you know, basically sell what you have and come follow me. I think that one of the one of the downside. And I understand it. I'm grateful for what's been termed the gospel centered movement. I think, yes, it is the gospel is central. and it is God who accomplishes salvation in us and all of that 100% agree.

But there are these verses that talk about us doing stuff. And I think that's why when we preach the gospel, it's preach the gospel and the kingdom. And the kingdom, it is going to have action. It is going to have, you're going to see things happening in the kingdom. And I think that what you see in this parable is the mentality that I'm not going to be active. And I'm just going to, I'm afraid. It's a negative view of the kingdom that I'm just going to consolidate everything in, protect, hold, not go out and take risk and build and invest. And it's painting a picture here that when you are participating in God's kingdom, you're actually out there doing stuff.

Now, here's the caveat. Your work is not to accomplish and earn anything. So this is not like, okay, you did good. So based on your merit, now I'm going to give you this. It's not that. It's not a workspace system. It's not the legalism of the past that we all kind of came out of in the churches that we grew up in. It's not that.

It's not you do for God and then you earn it and then God will give you what you earn. It is not that. It's God's grace alone. But when you experience God's grace alone, that should manifest itself in action and work. And that's James's point. You know, the faith without works is dead. He's explaining that real faith is going to have a. a tangible expression of that faith in what we do.

In this particular servant here, what happened is his faith did not transcend into action and to work, quite the opposite. It retreated. So in this, as we're moving into Jesus establishing his kingdom here, we actually are seeing a key morsel, a key part, a key idea of the kingdom, that with God's kingdom, when it comes, it's here, but it's not in its full fruition. But we are actually participating in God building it. We should be seeing it expanding just like the minus should have expanded, right?

That's what should happen in God's economy. Exactly. I think another point on this is you remember when in Matthew 20, where one of the moms comes to Jesus and has this idea. And you know she was put up to this by two of his disciples who said, hey, can one of my sons sit on your right? and sit on your left in the kingdom of God. And then Jesus goes on this sermon about, I didn't come to be served, but to serve. And his point is, taking this parable of the ten minutes,

that Jesus has given them an idea that human beings on earth who recognize Jesus as king and surrender to him, they're going to become him on the earth. doing what he did. Jesus didn't just sit around and do nothing. I mean, he worked from daylight to dark and dark to daylight, not only praying to God and having this relationship aspect of it, but helping the untouchable and bringing people together and driving out demons.

So when you read something like 1st Peter 2, you really see this vision later on that Peter finally figured out. You know, this is him doing this ministry for a while. And when he writes in verse 4 of chapter 2, as you come to him, the living stone rejected by men but chosen by God, precious to him, you also like living stones are being built into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood,

offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. And you tie in with what Paul said when it says our spiritual act of worship is the sacrifices that we do on a daily basis trying to point other people to the king. And so then Peter says this. For in scripture it says,

see I lay a stone in Zion, a chosen and precious cornerstone. And the one who trust in him will never be put to shame. Well, Jesus himself says that same, quote in the next chapter in chapter 21 or two chapters later in verse 42 where he says having have you never read in the scriptures the stone the builders rejected has become the capstone the capstone the lord has done this and it is marvelous in our eyes so to go back to first peter two when you get to

verse nine it says you're a chosen people royal priesthood a holy nation a people belonging to god that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of his darkness into his wonderful light. He goes on in verse 11, I urge you as aliens and strangers in the world to abstain from sinful desires which war against your soul. Live such good lives among the pagans that though they accuse you of doing wrong, they may see your good deeds and glorify God on the day he visits us. I mean, I think it's all the same things. He's just preparing them for what's fixed to happen. and they're going to be persecuted,

but they're pointing people to the king no matter what. And it's going to be a life filled with service and sacrifice. And most of them died for the cause. And they died for the cause. They literally became just like he did. They gave their lives for other people. And it's interesting, Jess. I'm so glad you brought up first and second Peter,

because to Zach's point about the kingdom, it's really interesting. There was an urgency, especially when he gets to second Peter. And we studied first and second Peter last year on the podcast. And remember, this is the same guy that preached the first sermon, what would have been about 33 years earlier on the day of Pentecost. And when you see Peter at the end of his life, because he says that,

that he realizes he's at the end. Paul said the same thing. Remember when he said, I'm being poured out when he told Timothy like a drink offering? And it is interesting that the two main guys that the Almighty and Jesus, and Jesus together used to reach the world in that period of time when then this whole thing was finally going to launch after 80-70, both died within a year or two of each other right before 80-70. And so this idea, this urgency was there, which I think Jesus's point is here, even in this

parable, that you've got, you're on the clock to get this thing right and to accept me. And there's going to come a time where hard hearts will not accept me. And so I think it was really interesting that when you look across the span of what we see in the New Testament, we're looking at this period of time that Jesus was pointing to. That same passage that you had mentioned in was the 2nd Peter about the cornerstone. Jesus also references that. I brought this up in the previous podcast. I didn't read it, but I referenced it, which is in the same time period of where we're at in Luke's account.

He brings this up. Jesus dies when he is the parable of the tenants in Mark 12. And he says, what then will the owner of the vineyard do? And it's kind of this. This is when the prophets came and they sent, you know, they basically killed the one that God had sent. And he said, what will he do? He will come and kill those tenants and give the vineyards to others.

So the idea here is this is so key to understanding the, eschatological kingdom that we're talking about here, that as it comes, it's, it is multi-ethnic. It's Jew and Gentile. But what is he, what's the idea here in March 12, is that he came to these people and they rejected him, which they did reject all the prophets. Haven't you read this passage of Scripture? This is Jesus talking here. And this is out of Psalms 118 that he quotes.

And he quotes the same thing that Peter did. The stone, the builders rejected, has. become the cornerstone. The Lord has done this, and it is marvelous in our eyes, the chief priest and the teacher. So he quotes, he quotes exactly what we've been talking about, which is also quoted in, I think Ephesians 2, when it's talking about this bringing a Jew and Gentile together. That's why the Bible says there's no distinction. And the New Testament said there's no distinction, Jew nor Greek, male, nor female in God's kingdom. What you're seeing is this great leveling. It is like all men. It's, and it was.

was always the vision that God would build us multi-ethnic kingdom. But you're seeing all of this coming to fruition. And it's starting with these parables, but it's building up into this moment where Jesus is going to, is going to walk into Jerusalem. He's going to turn over the tables in the temple. He's going to prophesy the destruction of the temple. He's going to, he's already claim that he is the temple. And then that temple's coming down. But Jesus eventually, he'll be destroyed. His body will be hung on a cross. That temple will be killed, but God will raise up and reconstruct that temple in three days. And that temple, Jesus Christ, himself, will become the cornerstone upon which the whole thing is built. Then we're going to be grafted in. Gentiles and

Jews alike grafted in to this new multi-ethnic kingdom. Yeah, and I think that's his point. So when it says they thought that the kingdom was going to come at once, it's this idea of, oh, and then we can just sit on your right and left and just but he's like no now I'm going to leave you know he starts going through a king goes the distant land and then he then he does it return and I want you to go to work you know until I'll come back so you're like why is he doing that because they were thinking this is a snap of the fingers not unlike a lot of people who have this kingdom coming at a later time now they're sitting around just waiting and his point is no it kind of it goes back to what Paul said in Ephesians, which is beautiful about how we're saved by grace and

it's the gift of God. But he gets down to the end and he says, for we are God's workmanship created in Christ Jesus to do good works. He has a job for us as humans to reflect the image of God to other people. I mean, that's what we're here. You think of Paul when he said, we are there for Christ's ambassadors, but that's right after he said, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. And so that's what Jesus was accomplishing by destroying death itself and forgiving us our sins. So another modern day illustration that you see where I think people miss is our church has become just about what he's done in our lives as far as, you know, atonement and cleaning up our lives. And so it becomes about all the, the, the, the

past old story about how bad I used to be, but God redeem me. And so at some point, you're wanting to hear it. So what are you doing now? Why did he, why did he rescue you? Why did he clean you up? Why did he give you hope of living forever? And they're like, what do you mean? No, he has a job for you.

We're now to point people to the king and not just tell how bad you were. I mean, that was what I think he was trying to get the king. crowd to realize. This is a... And to be clarified, we got in this conversation. This is actually Jason and I's conversation in the last, before the last podcast on the phone, we were talking about N.T. Right. And which we need to have on the podcast at some point, that would be interesting.

Get him. I'll bring the popcorn. Bring the popcorn. We're going to say, if anybody knows N.T. Wright, ask him if he wants to come hang out with a bunch of rednecks and talk to us. But, but, you know, it's with the controversy around N.T. right. And we could ask him about this if he ever comes on, is that he's downplaying atonement. He's downplaying the atonement. And I've heard him say stuff like recognizing

the atonement, but there's more. And I don't think we can downplay the atonement, but I will say this, that, meaning the payment of sin, like it is paid for it. We need to, because that is the means, but it's not only about our justification. It's not only about just getting saved. There is this whole thing about what about my life now? Like, I'm saved, I'm forgiven. But there is another part of salvation in the Bible called sanctification. And so what about my life now? And Francis Schaefer and his book, True Spirituality, which is kind of a great book,

if you want to read about what does it mean, sanctification mean? He writes about this. But he gives this analogy or the story, I thought was pretty funny. He was like, can you imagine if you have, you know, the old days when you had the, open your wallet and it could unfold all the pictures? You guys, you guys remember that. I remember. Back in the day, we didn't have iPhones.

And when we showed baby pictures, it's like you have this wallet and you put your pictures in there and unfold them out to show your friends or whatever. He said, can you imagine if every time you got around your friends, you just pulled out those baby pictures? And you said, this is the day I was born. Oh, this is whenever, you know, my first feeding. And every day of your life, every time you got around somebody, all you ever talked about was your birthday. the day you were born and what that was like as a newborn baby. He said, eventually people would be like, man, there's something psychologically wrong with you. Like, yeah, that was great, man.

That was very important for you because without your birth, you know, you wouldn't be here. But, man, it's time to move on. You're 45 years old. You know, you can't like, we can't do hang out there all the time. And that, and that's kind of what I think it's like. It's like we hang out at the birth. We hang out at the new birth. We hang out about our sins being forgiven.

And that is all true. And that is all necessary. and that is the utmost importance because it's our entry point into the kingdom. But then there is this whole other thing that Jesus, John 6 says Jesus died for the life of the world. So what is that part? We need to talk about that part of what does it mean to live for Christ. That's the whole point of Roman 6, by the way. Roman 6, we teach it, we use a lot to talk about baptism, but really Roman 6 is about

you're raised to what, to live a new life. And a lot about Roman 6 is not just about justification. It's about the ongoing work of the Holy Spirit. It's the way we live, the new life, the new, the kingdom that we're a part of. And I think that that is one of the, that is where the powers at to transform people and the transformer culture is to say, yes, you can be forgiven, but you can all, there are also God is not just saving you from sin. He's saving you to life in him.

So, Zach, your point, it's funny that this popped into my brain when you were telling that story. You just described the plot of the fugitive. Remember the fugitive? Harrison Ford was the doctor. It's been a while, but it's been a while. And so Tommy Lee Jones is the guy trying to catch him. And when he finally gets him cornered up, he thinks, he says, I didn't kill my wife.

And Tommy Lee Jones says, I don't care. Because, you know, he was just trying to catch him, right? Yeah. And so then he jumps off out of a pipe and goes down the river. And at the end of the movie, after he goes back and finds the person who really did kill his wife, he tells the fugitive, he says, I know you didn't kill your wife. And Harrison Ford said,

I thought you didn't care. And he said, well, don't tell anybody. And it was really interesting because the point is, when you're just running and you don't have a point, he's like, I don't care. But when you prove that your life didn't mean something, you found the person that killed him, all of a sudden he cared.

And I think it's the same thing with us. The sanctification part of who we are, shows that we care about what God did to save us. And the Holy Spirit is the one that's bearing the fruit. He's the one that's doing all the good stuff. When that's not happening, the Bible says we are grieving the Holy Spirit. We are working against what God has done in us. So it should be, and I think that's the whole point of the parable.

What's interesting is, I think Jesus shows you when he says at the end, when he has the one guy who does nothing and who has no fruit in his life and has just basically, you know, moved backwards instead of forward. You remember what he did? He took his mind and he gave it to the one who had 10. And somebody said, well, wait a minute. That's not fair. He already has 10.

And Jesus says to one who has been given much more will be given. I think it shows you that God says faithfulness is more important than fairness. Yeah. And that's the act that the idea that we believe in him, therefore he does things in us. And truthfully, and truthfully, too, that that, It's interesting because we all, like, that highlights our misunderstanding of the holiness of God that when we say that's not fair, we really don't understand our own depravity and how far we are from this holy God. I mean, that's, you know, if he gives Jay's 10 times what he's given me, I mean, whatever he gives me is grace anyways. I mean, if you really think about it, there is no, I mean, fairness.

I mean, if I don't want fairness, that's the last thing. Don't, God, please do not be fair with me. I do not never ask God to be fair with you. And I think that's a, that's a key part of understanding the atonement part of this is right. I mean, it is good to go back to the atonement and to think about how guilty you really are before a holy God. That's a good reminder and remembrance. You just can't hang out there and live only in that space. You also have to move and grow in your faith and grow in your connection with God.

You have to move into the sanctification part of salvation, hoping for one day the glory. glorification, which will come at the second coming. At the resurrection. Exactly. That's why he told the parable of the soul. I mean, it's all about a new creation. Something happens. And then fruit is a result of that.

I mean, I believe it's inevitable because the more you realize that the kingdom is here on earth and you're a part of it and Jesus is the king, it kind of reminds me of Jeremiah, you know, despite all his persecution and he's looking at the culture. look around, you just can't help it. You have to speak. And, you know, I made that analogy about, you know, from a political viewpoint, basically each side just shows you why the other side is terrible. And we, we're like left to pick a side. But what we should be left with is to know that we have the very solutions to life as far as from social, to family, to money, and all the things that go wrong.

And Jesus, because he literally answers every single thing that you could ever imagine in his ministry. And so then I keep bringing up the same verse, but in John 20, he's like, as the Father sent me, I'm sending you. You think about all the ends of all the Gospels. He's like, all authority on heaven and earth has been given to me. Therefore what?

Go. Make disciples of all nations. And I'll give you the power. I'll give you the power. And the last thing I want to say, because I said this in overtime, it's not that we're taking a passage where a lot of religious people are using that to sit around and wait for Jesus to set up his kingdom one day. There are plenty of passages, and we look forward to them. Jesus is coming back.

He is coming back. And we will be raised imperishable. And we will live forever with him in a new heaven. in a new earth. I mean, this is what this is all about. But in this particular circumstance, it's more about the Jewish nation recognizing

him as king. And that was a problem, especially pre-resurrection. It still is. And it still is. And it still is. But to be fair, too, I mean, even some of the people, think about, even his own disciples, whenever he

was arrested, nobody was standing there saying, I'm with this guy. You know, No, but Peter wasn't there, you know, whenever they were beating Jesus and, hey, no, no, no, no, I do know him. In fact, it was quite the opposite. Well, he denied him three times. He denied him three times. Yeah, and when he was trying to reinstate him, you know, he kept using the different word for love. Do you love me?

And Peter was like, well, I love you as a friend. But what I think is so great about Jesus is he didn't rebuke him and say, no, you never got it right. He was like, let's just start there. And I am your friend, you know, and move forward. You'll figure this out, and one day they're going to lead you to your own cross because you won't be able to speak about me. And it's so funny because what we're talking about here, I mean, just think about this. If you're like, what is he, if he bowl it all down on what is he, what is he getting at? He's essentially saying that the role of prophet, the role of priest, the role of king, the role of the temple, all of this.

It's everything is rolled up. And so how is it how is it? What is, where does all this end? Well, it ends in a person. the person of Jesus. And if you think about, like, it's so funny as we, because our little city is pretty, pretty secular. But what's awesome at our little church is that there are lots of people coming in who have tried the secular, progressive promise of this utopia. They've tried all that.

And what they found is that it doesn't hold any water. It's a broken cistern. And so they're coming in. And it's so, God is doing something here. I'm telling you. And, but it's a consistent theme, guys. Like, they come in almost like pragmatic, like, man, this, what we're doing is not working. So we're open to try anything.

And then as we walk with these people, it's the dividing line is this right here. When you get to the, that the answer is not a system. The answer is not a guru. The answer is not a one and done experience. The answer is not special knowledge. The answer is not the right theology. to write it. The answer isn't a person named Jesus? Like, I'm telling you, it is weird, but that is the, when that, in the moment of the conversation, when that becomes evident, that's when it's like, it's time to separate who's real and who's not. And I think, man, how powerful is that, that the dividing line between all of this is in a person, not an idea. This is, these are not spiritual truths or principles. We are talking about an embodied reality of God, flesh. That is the anchor. That's the, that is, that's the, that's the, that is the beginning,

the end, the alpha of the omega. That's all of it. Right there in this person of Jesus. And I think that's what he's really laying the foundation for right here in this parable. All right. So we're out of time. We'll, we'll pick this up in our overtime if you want to follow us over. Still much more to unpack, especially about the entry and the temple and the things we've been introducing here. So if it's blaisdiv.com slash unashamed, if you want to follow us. us own overtime. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast. Help us out by rating us on iTunes.

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