Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 808 | Miss Kay Cries Her Eyes Out Thanks to Jase & Jase Nearly Gets Squished by a Big Rig
Episode Date: December 27, 2023Phil is inspired by his own sermon and challenges Christians to do something that is often forgotten about today. Jase nearly gets turned into pulp on the interstate, and Miss Kay’s tears are flowin...g over something that Jase recently did. The guys go over a little of the history between the Romans and the Jewish people during Jesus’ era and discuss how power looks different on earth than in heaven. In this episode: Luke 20, verses 1-21, 38 https://philmerch.com — Get your “Unashamed” mugs, shirts, hats & hoodies! Own "The Blind: The True Story of the Robertson Family" on digital, DVD & Blu-ray today: https://theblindmovie.com/watch — Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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I am unashamed. What about you?
Welcome back to Unashamed. I feel like the band is finally back together.
We were missing Zach last week. He was in parts unknown doing things we can't know about.
And it's always working to the next deal, which we appreciate that, Zach.
You're always out there on the front lines, finding ways for us to be able to spread the word.
And we appreciate your expertise. We give you a hard time.
I just wanted to say thank you.
I feel like we need an intervention here.
So like when my kids became quiet or secretive,
then you got nervous.
It always got my attention.
It wasn't when they were being, you know, belligerent or in need of discipline because I'm looking at it.
Missy's like, what are you going to do about these kids?
I'm like, well, we're going to deal with it.
But when they get quiet or you're not seeing them, then I'm like, what are they up to?
So every time I would see them, after.
a long period, I would always say the same thing. I said, I got a question for you. I hadn't
been seeing you around. You're like the person at church when the guys, all of a sudden they
show up. You're like, where are you been? So I would ask the same question. I said,
now look, I hadn't been seeing you. So just go ahead and tell me, have you been up to anything
illegal or immoral? Can you answer that question, exactly, with full moral clarity?
You're getting hot under the collar here, man.
Yeah, my technique is you say, you don't tell them anything.
You just say, all right, tell me all about it.
They're like, what do you mean?
Because they're not sure what you know.
Yeah, they don't know.
You know what I'm talking about.
You know what that means that.
That means you worked with a lot of college kids through the year.
That actually happened with my oldest son.
Zachary is with a group that's in the little book of title.
us, it's interesting that eight times in a three-chapter book, eight times during that deal,
it says one who loves what is good, that that's number one.
There's a group that was a member of the kingdom.
They claim to know God, but by their actions,
they deny them they are detestable
disobedient and unfit for doing anything good
you read down a little bit
is that with this group or he's not this is individuals
he's the old women he went with them first
to be reverent in the way they live not to be slanders
or addicted to much wine they drink a little but not much
but they teach what is good
that's three
number four
similarly
include the young men
to be self-control and everything
set them an example by doing
what is good
that's four times
the fifth time
they'll see the grace of God has brought
the passion to live self-control
upright godly lives
waiting on the blessed hope
the glorious appearing of our great God
and Savior Jesus Christ
who gave himself for us
to redeem us from all weakness and to purify for himself a people that are his very own in the fourth time
in this little book eager to do what is good in the last chapter three remind the people to be
subject to rulers and authorities to be obedient to be ready to do whatever is good that's that's
six, number seven,
this is the
trustworthy saying, I want you to stress
these things so that those
who have trusted in God may be
careful to
devote themselves
to doing good.
That's seven. And number
eight, our people must learn
the last chapter to
devote themselves after
saying this all the way up to now,
seven times.
Three chapters.
The last one is our people must learn to devote themselves to do what is good.
In order that, they may provide for daily necessities and not live unproductive lives.
Pretty amazing that in one little book, eight times he mentions doing what is good,
which I had a little sermon on that Sunday morning.
I had a feeling you did.
Oh, I did too.
So, Zach, when you're away, I think Phil's pointing.
is make sure you're doing what is.
So my question to you is, Zach, have you been doing what is good?
He has a reputation of doing what is good.
He fits the mold.
Well, I will tell you, I was with my family the entire time.
So that's a good.
If you want accountability.
It's good.
It's a good thing.
And he has a lot of eyes.
He has a lot of eyes in that family.
So, yeah.
Our Bible study, y'all are.
No, that's excellent, Dad.
That's a great point.
I mean, and you're right.
That'll preach.
Yeah, it'll preach.
And it's an older man telling a younger man how to make it in ministry.
Yeah.
You got to do what's good.
Or they're not going to listen to you.
You know, it's not like it's this deep thing you have to get into.
It's pretty simple.
Pretty simple.
Just do good.
So how many after heard that message hit the water yesterday?
Because when I walked in, you were baptizing two.
Two.
And then there were three more after.
Oh, was that right?
Yeah, there were three more later.
So that's pretty impressive.
You know, a lot of people try to make too much, what's the word?
You can get to where you forget to do small things, but doing good is a big thing.
Or he wouldn't have told Titus eight times.
I mean, with each chapter, there were two, four, six.
I mean, it's pretty amazing.
Yeah.
No, that's a good point.
That's excellent.
In fact, that's kind of the core.
She said the ones that they're having trouble with, they claim to know God, but by their actions, they deny them.
It's detestable, disobedient, and unfit for doing anything good.
So doing good should be one of the hallmarks of the sons and daughters of God, in my opinion.
Yep, I agree.
And I think you have to have clarity and understanding.
understand truth that even know what good is.
You know, you think about it.
If you look at that, you say, and you can do that without a, you know, 4.0-0-0-Q, you know, know, know-now-it-all type individual.
High Q, yeah.
You say, what about doing it?
Does he do any good?
Does he do it a lot of good?
They're like, what?
It's not, not, it's not deep enough concept.
Right.
It's there.
A little book of Titus.
Now, and dad, you remember, um, yours.
ago we had a group of people that had started teaching something that's not in the word,
but they taught it that the only time the Holy Spirit operated was when you were reading
your Bible. In other words, the smarter you are, the more spirit you have. And there could be
nothing further from that. That's not truth because the truth is you have the Holy Spirit,
no matter how smart you are. That's right. I mean, if a person with zero, low IQ to high IQ,
the Holy Spirit still does is work. Well, it does work, you know. Yeah.
through the word, but also it indwells you.
Right.
He kind of makes a point to that younger buck that this right here will keep you from living a
sinful life.
Right.
You're busy doing good.
Right.
You say, well, how deep is good doing good.
It's not deep, but it's sure, sure, you can sure stuff.
Well, you know, what's interesting is with that particular doctrine is that most of the people
were reading about in these texts were illiterate.
Yep.
They couldn't even read.
Yeah.
So they were full of the Holy Spirit and doing amazing spiritual things, and they couldn't even read.
And there was no Bible.
You know, there was the few.
They were not very scholarly.
Yeah, exactly.
And Paul addressed that in 1st, Corinthians 1 when he said, you know, Christ sent me to preach the gospel.
Yep.
Not with words of human wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power.
Yeah.
You don't want to put it on.
And he doubled down on it saying, you know, I didn't come to you with Eleanor.
or superior wisdom.
But I just shared the testimony about God.
You know, two times it says our people must learn to devote themselves to doing good.
And on above there, they may be careful to devote themselves to doing good.
Yeah.
So I want to mention, before we get back to our text, and we're in Luke 20 today, is I realize we got a timing issue because we're still recording before Christmas.
to release after.
But last night's the first night I've been able to watch your Christmas special for
Duck Family Treasure.
And it was outstanding.
I mean, it was as good as any episode of our other Duck show that we did.
High quality.
It was funny.
But it was very spiritual mind at the end.
It was a great close talking about why we celebrate Jesus.
Chaste did a great job.
Is that giving you something you can stand on saying?
And we're, I was pretty proud that on national TV, you had the opportunity to get into the weeds about why Jesus is Lord.
And he's the, I made the point on the episode that he's not the reason for the season.
He's the reason for every season.
Yeah.
Yeah, which is good.
And gave some reasons why.
Yep.
And I have to say, I thought as good as everybody was, my favorite two people were,
I guess sort of new to being having that much air time on an episode.
It was Reed and Austin,
the two young bucks because they were kind of like learning on the job
was kind of the basis of them being out in the field.
But it was family together too,
which is kind of cool.
But I just thought they were both excellent.
I sent them both a text last night and told them,
you know,
you guys knocked it out of the park.
So I loved it.
And I didn't realize until I was watching the credits last night
when they were rolling through at the bottom that Zach is an executive producer.
Zach and Corey, I didn't know that.
Yeah, it'd be hard to know that.
Yeah.
I was surprised that kind of material would wind up on television.
Yeah, I was proud of it.
So, Zach, you're right there.
You're right there with the...
Well, I think Zach kind of helped the deal happen with the show, and then we never saw him again.
But, you know, it was something.
Is that the way it works?
Sometimes you're just an executive producer because you did.
You got to remember, this thing started.
because I saw you all.
Jay's,
you remember how this started?
You were on this podcast.
It was on the Unashamed podcast.
Yeah,
Unashamed.
Him and Jeff were talking.
And I was like,
that's a show.
And he's like,
well,
if you get the votes,
we had the whole thing that happened.
Yep.
And then I pitched it to Fox.
And we ended up bringing in another production partner.
And,
but Jason has kind of done most of the heavy lifting on.
Yeah, and that's obvious.
In our culture, what they were doing made more sense than 90% of what you see come and go on television shows.
Some of them are just downright pathetic.
And the showrunner deserves a lot of credit.
She's amazing.
Her name's Jenna.
She's a believer and just awesome.
I loved her on our first show.
And back then she was just a PA, I guess, or something.
I don't know what she did.
So when will you know?
about the ebb and flow on what people are kind of thinking last night.
You know, I don't know.
I don't know if you'll ever know.
I don't know.
It's a different world with all that.
I mean, it really is.
It's hard to measure success of something anymore like you used to could because this is a digital platform show.
It happened to be on network last night.
But, you know, it's hard to say.
But the reason I brought that up, Zach, about that is because I wanted our audience to know we put a lot of fun at you when you're not here.
But you've got a lot of irons in the fire, as they say.
and that's a perfect example of one that's worked out really well.
I mean, it's...
They weren't afraid, you know, to do things like throw biscuits to one another.
Yeah.
No, it's fine.
It's a fun show.
It's good, clean, fun.
And so, yeah, I was proud of it.
So for those who didn't get to see the episode,
what give us the verdict on the crawfish pie.
The crawfish pie.
Now, this is going to be a shot.
to you.
It was actually better than any crawfish pie I've ever eaten.
Because you'd just come in from...
No, I just think they, you know, took Kay's recipe and it was all like, will they pull it off?
Will they not?
You know, I was 50, 50 at best.
It was absolutely.
It looked outstanding.
And I loved that...
Look, we ate both of those pies just right there.
Yeah.
I mean, I looked around.
Which is not easy to do on a TV meal because we did it for years.
couldn't get off of it.
Yeah.
So she's got that.
Which, by the way, I love the nod to mom.
She did a little cameo with a little FaceTime cameo.
And that meant a lot to me because that was very nostalgic.
Like, they were doing Mom's recipe.
And so they actually got her on the phone, which was cool.
So it was.
I had to tell you this.
It wasn't even planned.
They just, you know, Missy was, the pressure was mounting.
Because I just said, look, this is a disaster.
I assume that was part of the play.
You're saying that was a kind of phone-a-friend.
They looked at a recipe and Jessica had made her own pie crust and she's like,
this recipe is nothing like what I do.
And so they're like, well, call her up.
Roll camera.
Well, that was good.
Yeah, because you notice they only filmed it from our perspective.
Right, right, right.
She answered down the first time she answered, she just went off, started talking about.
And they were like trying to get, they was like, okay, we're actually filming a.
The mom answers the phone in a story.
It's like we, I just left you a minute ago and let me pick that story up where I left off.
That's the way when I call her, that's the way she starts.
You're not believing your dad.
And then she goes into the story.
And I haven't even said hello or we're not even into why I'm calling yet.
Well, last night, when she called me after the episode, so she called me, but I, you know,
We had a lot of people over.
We had a little viewing last night.
So I had to call her back.
But she was on the phone with me when you go because she said, oh, there's Jace.
I need to go.
And I was like, praise the Lord for Jays.
So I called her back.
And when she answered, I said, well, what did you think about the episode?
And then she was like, oh, I cried all the way through it.
Yeah, it was touching.
It was great.
Let's take a break.
So we got our face paint on.
It's duck season.
When you go duck hunting, if you don't have face paint on,
they'll see your face.
shining right and flare so that's why you're wearing the face bag oh yeah as a
we shot four we we should have shot six we had six come in the decoys but it was a blind we
hadn't hunted all year and the brush has grown up in front of the blind so when the ducks
come in the decoys you can't shoot them it's a bad that's not we're waiting to get them in
the decoys they get and you're shooting through brush yeah not good low low brush
So we were struggling, but we made a couple long shots, and we wound up with four nice wood ducks.
But we just don't have many ducks.
Yeah.
Well, it's funny because I didn't realize that.
And so just jokingly, I asked Joe, who's Jersey Joe, who's turned into the new sye, claiming ducks.
And so I was like, so I hear you're the big shooter of the blind now.
What did you do today?
Well, apparently he finally has humbled himself
Because he said, I felt like I was a blind man trying to shoot today
And I was like, well, we've come a long way
Because Jersey Joe didn't realize that I'm going to say what everybody's thinking
And so I snapped at him two or three times in the blind
Not unlike any other time that I would do with anybody
Including members of my family.
I mean, this is just how I'm in charge of let's get the ducks in
as close as possible.
So when somebody's doing something,
you know, they were shuffling around when they flared some ducks.
And I was like, hey, stay down and get your head under the roof.
Well, it's nothing personal.
And I didn't say, hey, Joe, you know, I just fired that toward the end of the blind.
And then there was one time they came on their side, raised up, emptied their guns, nothing.
And I was like, look, maybe I should do next time, keep your eyes.
open while you're shooting.
You know, it was just a dab.
But I noticed he started getting a little
wounded.
Little wounded. So, well, what capped it off was
opening day of the second split was just a couple
days ago. So I'm driving the boat, and it's very
difficult to drive the boat in shallow water because
we don't have much water.
So me and Phil are in the back.
I'm driving and Phil's right beside me because Phil
realizes you have to have an equal weight
distribution to get this motor, the propeller down in the water.
Where to go?
So we have three guys who are all at the front of the boat.
Jersey Joe, Burley, and the nurse, Chad, the nurse.
I'm going to say that they average about 280, what did you say?
250, 280?
I don't know.
What will you say, Phil?
Some are pretty heavy.
They're pretty heavy.
So I'm back here
Trying to get the propeller
Get the propeller down
I'm struggling
And I keep thinking
They're going to move back
Because they realize that we're moving at less than one mile an hour
I mean we're floating
Everything dried up
So we had to pump
Yeah
Around the clock
For a month
Just to have what you have
So here's what I said
Get a boat up through the other
It's a shallow.
The propellers dragging in the mud.
So you kind of get it to where you...
Well, it was out of the water.
It was one heavy back where y'all were.
So I said, hey, one of you fat boys moved back toward the back of the boat.
Well, Jersey, Joe, jumped up like we was, you know, walking outside.
But he had a weight issue a few years back, and he said 280 or something.
He's gotten big.
So he got back and then the propeller went down in the water and we took off.
So I thought, oh, happy.
He said, I think me and you, I can't do his accent.
I think me and you need to work on our relationship.
And I said, well, at the time, I couldn't see who was who because of all the clothes and all your heads are pointing the other way.
So I thought fat boy might get your attention.
And apparently it did.
When the reason Jersey just got rid of all of his stuff and sold his house and said,
we're going to Louisiana.
And I listened to some dudes talking.
I want to be like them.
Yep.
So he told his wife.
That's why he came here.
Are you kidding me?
He said, no, we're going to Louisiana.
I mean, with everything we have.
We're leaving and we're going to Louisiana.
We're getting out of town.
So I finally told him.
I said, here's the deal.
When we're duck hunting, we're buddies.
I said, we challenge each other.
We joke with each other.
I said, but always remember, I'm unoffendable.
And when we're duck hunting, you need to be the same way.
That's right.
I said, so remember this rule since we're working on our relationship.
If I don't have a duck call in my hand or my Bible in my hand, I'm just kidding.
I said, I just made a joke here.
And I figured that if you're over 250, if you're offended that I'm calling you a fat boy, that's on you.
You're fat.
So now.
You didn't say, hey, you morbidly obese people.
No, you just said fat boy, which, yeah.
I said because.
I'd have been up there out of popped in the back.
I wouldn't have thought anything about it.
I said, because y'all weren't paying attention to the struggle either.
So I was doing it to try to get your attention.
I wanted to make you mad because y'all are not being concerned that if at this rate,
we will not be home before dark.
So he said, well, now that I know that, it all makes sense.
I said, well, see?
I love it.
Leave everything at the boat house.
It's just leave it all there.
It's good clean.
And then I made a point that we're too sensitive in our world now.
That's right.
That is true.
You know, and I was like, I'm just kidding.
And you can dish it out on me as much as you want.
Because I can take it, buddy.
That's right.
No, you're right.
And that's why we talked about this when we had the comedian on a few podcasts back.
Self-deprecation is the key to everything.
I mean, you have to just be honest about who you are.
It's like, when I go to New York, we used to go to New York a lot.
And it said, oh, you're going to shop for some clothes.
I was like, I looked in two stores in New York and realized there's no fat people here.
I mean, I don't guess because they're not selling clothes for anything, but super skinny people.
So fat boys like me addle up in New York.
So you have to be able to look at it.
I like it.
Let's take another break.
Well, let's get to our text.
I did have a near-death experience yesterday.
And so it's at times that, you know, like that you get close.
clarity and realize the resurrection is real.
So I had a moment.
I had a response after your sermon yesterday.
So the near death was after my sermon?
After your sermon?
Because I talked about being kingdom ready in my sermon at the end of it.
So my wife said, will you go get Karina from the airport today?
Because all the family's coming in, you know, it's just nearing Christmas.
I was like, sure.
So she said that when we woke up yesterday.
Because we didn't go duck hunting.
We were on the.
They had the Fox and Friends.
Yeah, Fox and Friends show.
well I assume that at some point during the day she was going to let me know what time I was supposed to go do that because she had a young girl at our house, you know, from a broken home.
She was just trying to mentor, you know, and my wife's good at stuff like that.
And so they're, you know, they're sitting there rapping presents and talking and having a Bible study.
I mean, it was all good stuff.
And then she was like, jace!
I said, what?
She said, Karina just landed at the airport.
Of course, we were, I was like, great.
How would I have known that?
She said, I asked you this morning if you would go get her.
I was like, well, you never said what time.
I just figured you'd say, hey, she'd be landing.
She was like, you got to go get her.
So I got my truck, took off.
Like Karina was going to have her problem waiting 10 minutes at the airport.
It took her a month to get out of her own country.
So I'm on the interstate.
And you know where the Civic Center is, you're up on a, it's like a bridge.
Yeah.
There's no way to get off, you know.
It's not like a bridge.
It's not like a bridge.
Yeah, it's a bridge.
But it's a long, but it's like an overpass.
With a lot of people coming on and getting off.
It's pretty narrow.
And it's very dangerous, yeah.
And traffic was heavy.
So there's no, I wasn't hurriedly getting there because I could only bumper to bumper.
So I'm there.
And all of a sudden this 18-wheeler, I'm almost to his cab.
And it just starts coming over into my lane.
and I'm I start moving over well then I blow the horn he just keeps coming and then he just hit me
but we you know it just it's like if I think if there hadn't been so many cars there and
he started bumping it was like I was in a NASCAR race and every time he would hit me it would
you know my my truck was and I'm just laying on the horn and then he finally started it but he was he was
squeezing me up against the railing.
Of course, I didn't think it was that bad.
I didn't think, hey, maybe I should get his license played if there's any damage.
But you can, you know, when I picked her up, I realized, you know, he had scratched my truck
up pretty good, just with the bumping and the grinding.
You might have read one of those billboards.
It says, oh, so-and-so.
But in the moment, you know, in the five seconds that I was bouncing up against his rig and this rail,
I thought, I could possibly die.
It's not people get killed.
Because I tried to slow down, but there was somebody right behind me.
And, of course, they're in a smaller car.
They were hugging the rail, too.
But this guy just, who knows what?
Probably on his phone or whatever.
But I'm just, all my frustrations and near-death experiences going through that car horn.
And so when I got up next side of him, you know, I was trying to look who it was, and he turned his head.
You know, like, I don't want you to see me.
I just, pop, back on a horn, you know.
But then it made me think, boy, I'm glad I'm in on the resurrection.
There was literally nothing I could do.
There was nowhere to go.
And he did a bunch of damage to my truck.
And, you know, I just thought, well, I'm going to use it for the Lord.
That's pretty funny.
As I was going to say, he may have been listening to our podcast because a lot of guys on the roads do.
I mean, a lot of truckers that listen.
So, who knows.
If you're listening, you did that.
I know you didn't mean to.
Repent.
Repent.
Get ready for the kingdom.
So we're in Luke chapter 20, Zat, since you hadn't been with us for a time.
But give your outline.
So Al preached yesterday, and you basically went through, did you start in 20?
I started in 19.
Al went 19, 20, 21.
Yeah.
I did three chapters, Zach, in about 27 minutes.
It was actually fantastic.
It was more like a lecture.
Did you read?
Did you read the text?
Did not read the text?
No, it was the only thing I didn't do.
I just told the story and referenced the text, but I couldn't read it because there was no, I could.
If I had read it, that had been half the sermon.
You'd still been there.
Yeah.
So what idea was, is I left it up to the people to read the whole text.
I just gave a massive overview of what we've been talking about on this podcast, and I did it in one sermon.
And it was my own fault.
Like Jay's right.
It was kind of poor planning to have to get down that much text in the sermon series.
But, you know, we're at the end of the year and the end of the book.
But to Jason's point, so I went back and in my intro leading up to it, I gave that picture of all the people that Jesus interacted with.
And it was really interesting because it's like anything else, when you take a little bit higher view of a text, you see what Luke was trying to do here.
We've talked about this, but it's a good time to do it again as we're going in this last.
segment here is all those people that he was interacting with, including the rich young
ruler, it was all about the way the kingdom life was going to be. And it was usually people that
remember, it was little kids, it was the blind guy, Zacchaeus. Most of them were people
that just basically said, you know, this is the guy. And except for one who then couldn't get past
his own success, you know, which is kind of interesting to them.
and embrace the kingdom because he liked this life, what he had accomplished better,
which then leads to the big triumphal entry, which we've talked about.
And this was a huge moment because this is the king recognizing.
So I read a bunch of text that we've shared on the podcast, all those prophecies that
pointed to this moment.
This was a huge moment.
And we have, you don't have to oversell it.
I mean, it's big.
And Jay's made the point in past podcast that when,
Jesus orchestrates the way something's going to look to the level he did for that entry,
that meant this was a big deal.
But I kind of flipped it because we talked about it.
It was not really a triumphal entry as much as it was a very humble.
You know what it hit me that we didn't talk about on the podcast when you were talking about that?
Is that I'm sure it was funny looking.
Yeah.
It's like you made the point that it wasn't this grand horns blowing.
He was on a donkey that had never been ridden.
Yep.
and it's like this is your king and i'm sure it was i just picture it like scooting real fast and he
just hanging on you and just and i'm sure they were some people especially the people the
pharisees and who weren't all about this i'm sure they just thought what a comedy this is i mean
this is this is a carpenter right from nazareth riding on a donkey yep this is the king this is the
king this is the messiah yeah and i mentioned that there
crowd in a one week he's going to do a U-turn and head back out of the city and carrying a cross
and nobody's yelling son of man son of David everybody's just kind of like watching this
tragedy unfolds the way they're thinking about it yeah and so but the first thing he does is he
goes to the temple and i made the point that we've made there was a reason why he did that and
Luke lays it out beautifully.
And John does too and John too, but he just puts it in a different place in the story.
But the whole idea was, is he's going to reclaim his house.
Yeah.
And he's doing it for not the purpose that you would think, but he's doing it from the
purpose of saying that I'm going to build a house way better than this one,
which is ultimately what he does.
Which is ultimately us.
I kept thinking, I hope you say we are at his house.
And you did.
And I did, right.
It was good.
You also made another good point that you blew past, but when you talked about Zacchaeus and the tax collector,
oh, yeah, a tax collector, which is, you know, we're going to revisit that in chapter 20,
which you got into paying taxes to Caesar, which nobody likes to do.
And I thought you might go back to that and say, you know, why would he go to a, he's already gone to a tax collector's house in public.
but I love that question.
You said, he was the one willing to climb a tree for Jesus.
Would you climb a tree for Jesus?
And when you look at it through the Pharisees and what we're going to see,
the Sadducees' eyes, the answer would be no.
They wouldn't do it.
So I read that text that says, unless we become like little children,
we were not received the kingdom of heaven.
I read that, and I hadn't ever thought about that before either,
that Zakias was like a kid.
I mean, he's a wealthy man that nobody really likes, but he climbed a tree.
I mean, what man climbs a tree just to see another man?
But then I asked the audience.
Yeah, I asked the audience, would you climb a tree?
Yeah.
And somebody said, yes.
Somebody yelled out.
That's probably Kirk lively.
It probably was.
It was a good question.
That's a really good practical question, especially when you're putting yourself out there in an embarrassing way.
People already don't like you because you're a tax.
Ice cliff.
Yeah.
Then you're climbing a tree.
They're like, what an idiot.
What is a spectacle.
Short that guy is, you know.
I hate that guy.
Well, there's, there's the, I think the mindset of the Pharisees and really kind of all of
Israel here in this, in this moment, has highlighted.
Because you think about when we've been going through the book of Isaiah at our church,
which there's a lot of, it's got nestled into the study of a lot of these prophecies,
these messianic prophecies.
that, and not just the messianic prophecies, but also prophecies of the coming of the kingdom as well.
And this triumphal entry is prophesied in Zechariah chapter 9.
And so there's this whole idea that the prophets from the old had all pointed to what Jesus is doing here.
And not just the coming of the Messiah for the forgiveness of sins, which that's part of it,
but also the coming of the Messiah for the establishment of the kingdom,
the coming of the king. He is a savior, but he's also king, priest, prophet. I mean, he's all of it.
And all of this is coming to this fruition here. And I think that what nobody got, at least a lot of
the Pharisees, they didn't understand how from the beginning God's desire was for the nations.
It wasn't just for a particular group of people. It was for all people. And so you see it when he goes
into the temple and he says, which I don't think it's an accident that that's the first place
that he went.
He goes into the temple and he began to drive those out who are selling, saying to them,
It is written, and my house shall be a house of prayer, but you have made it a robber's den.
In other parts of other gospels, when it says that you've made, the actual phrase here is,
It is written, my house shall be a house of prayer for the nations.
That's actually what he's quoting.
The real quote is it's a house of prayer for the nations.
And so you go all the way back to like a prophet like Isaiah, and you could go to any of the prophets.
But Isaiah is a great one to look at.
In the second chapter of Isaiah, he builds this vision of a mountain, Temple Mountain,
you know, Zion, the temple was on a mountain.
and this new temple that sits on top of the mountain.
And the vision that Isaiah paints is that all the nations are coming up this hill to the top to worship the one true God.
Which is, by the way, what he is laying the seed for here is that vision that was prophesied about these guys, these New Testament writers and Jesus himself, what they're accomplishing is they're actually explaining what.
what was the vision the entire time in the Old Testament that was going to be fulfilled here,
that there would be a new temple established.
The one that you've turned into Adina Robbers, that's coming down.
That's what he's going to tell us on the Mount of Olives, you know, very soon after this.
That temple's coming down.
And then God's going to establish a new temple, which is going to be Jesus Christ himself as the cornerstone.
And then where there's lit, we are the people.
We're it.
We're the temple.
We're being built upon him.
So I think it's this incredible moment here.
This is not just, you know, we don't just get nuggets of wisdom and values out of this text.
This is actually a picture and an explanation of God's full scheme of redemption.
I mean, this is it.
He is painting that picture.
I made the point, Zach, that just like he cleaned out that temple of hypocrisy, you know, thieves.
liars, double-minded people.
Just like he did that is what happens to us when we embrace Christ and become Christians is he cleans
out that stuff in us too by putting the Holy Spirit in us.
And so it is amazing that it happens at an individual level, what he did at a building level
in this thing.
And so that, again, that was a foreshadow of what was coming.
And I made the point that even when he was 12 years old, you remember Luke 2, that whenever his parents found him, he said, why were you looking for me?
Did you know I'd be in my father's house?
So even at 12 years old, he had a recognition of his house and what that meant and the idea of the presence there, which is very powerful.
And then somebody made the point to me after the sermon, they said, do you think him being in there, he was there three days?
That's something to do with the fact that the three days.
I said, well, there's very few accidents when it comes to Jesus, what he did.
So you're right, it was probably another foreshadowing of what that meant as well.
Because remember the temple curtain tore in half when he died, and then three days later, of course, he was resurrected.
So then you get to this text.
And so the way I put it was the eternal king and the eternal high priest, now they've been established.
He's going to sit down and hold court at the temple because he's going to teach seven different messages in Luke,
and 21, which is what we'll spend the next few podcasts talking about. And we started into the first one,
the last podcast, which is Luke 21 through 8, which is them questioning his authority. And then
he comes back the next section and talks about the tenants that he tells another parable. And then
he talks about Caesar and what that means about the paying taxes, which I talked a little bit about
yesterday in my lesson. And then really interesting one that I would have loved to have gotten into
but I had no time yesterday in Luke 20, 27 through 39, was about focusing on eternal relationships
because they questioned them about marriage and the resurrection.
And these were the Sadducees on that one.
Yeah.
And I did make a point yesterday.
I just want to say this because a guy texted me afterwards and he quoted what I said.
And he said, man, did I need to hear that?
Because he's having some marriage problems.
I said just at a practical level, when Lisa and I understood and became brother and sister over husband and wife,
our marriage changed for the better.
And I was making the point that spiritual life elevates you in a marriage relationship.
And Jace talks a lot about this with his relationship with Missy.
And that's so true.
And I think that's the ultimate point he makes about this life and the next one.
But anyway, we'll talk about that when we get there.
Then the fourth one, fifth one was he abhorred hypocrisy,
which that's when he gets into the elites and what they were all about.
the little widow that gave everything, he talked about her because he just observed it at the temple.
And then the last one is when he gives a clear picture of this destruction of Jerusalem,
which is going to happen in their lifetime.
And he basically says, you've got to be ready.
And so that's kind of how I closed my sermon.
But that was my sermon yesterday.
WFRchurch.org, if you want to check it out and see the whole thing, it's called the King has come.
So there was that.
So I did a, I think it's good to get an overview before we get.
into the details because I do think you're realizing he's claiming to be the king he said the kingdom
is at hand he keeps making references to the temple as in he may be the new temple where heaven and
earth intersect God and people meet which hears a human saying he's the son of God so it makes
sense so they start questioning as authority what you know I've been studying a lot of history
because if you kind of know what was going on then,
some of this makes more sense.
And I'm not sure where I got this,
but 20 years before, 20 or so years before Jesus does this,
there was a guy named Judeus, the Galilean.
And his platform was he refused to pay the head tax of Caesar,
which is what we're going to get into that conversation in chapter 20, verse 20 through 26.
So just think about, though, the context, you know, 20 years before we had a revolutionary who's like,
we're not going to pay taxes, because it was a citizen tax.
You basically paid this tax as a right to be a part of the Roman Empire.
It was like the mob.
It was like, it was like racket protection.
It was like, here, you're going to pay me money so you won't get attacked.
And they're like, well, who would attack me?
And they're like, oh, we will.
So you pay me money so I don't attack you.
That's what the Romans were saying.
You pay money to be a citizen so that we won't kill you.
In many ways of stealing the people's money.
Well, that's where I'm going with this.
So that, he led a revolt to not to pay the taxes.
then he had, well, a revolution not to pay the taxes,
then a revolt against the temple to cleanse the temple.
Same kind of mode.
And his message was God will be our king and not Caesar.
Well, they caught him, beat him, and killed him.
And that revolution died right there.
But 20 years later, it's like, well, here's Jesus.
Well, we got another one.
And what I was fascinated to see,
see is there was 12 revolutionary types during this time period, the more history I read, of people,
because they didn't like being under Roman rule.
They didn't like paying these taxes.
And they didn't like what was going on in the temple.
And they sure didn't like that Caesar, which is what I didn't really realize when I was
reading on this history, is that they were saying, God has put us in charge.
I mean, this is, God has shown faith.
favor on us or we wouldn't be in charge.
Right.
So, and you get that when you actually look at the coin, when the coin that was in discussion,
that, and I noticed that on the coin, it basically has Tiberius Caesar, son of the god Augustus,
pontifus, maximus, which is high priest.
So just think about that.
He's king, he's a son of a God, and he's the high priest.
Well, what's he claiming here?
Yeah.
So that is the problem, and I think it's like what you said about the godfather or the mob.
You know, they had been a republic, Rome for years and years and decades, and now all of a sudden they're turned into a monarchy, but they're doing it in light of, but God has made us like this.
And what the idea is, it's kind of like our government today.
You know, you're like, well, we're a republic and people are free.
But the people in charge, you're free to be who you are as long as you agree with the people in charge.
If you don't, guess what?
They kill you.
And that's kind of how this works.
Because then they say, we should be in charge.
God has put us in charge to do good.
things.
And it's kind of like you've made about the mob.
You know, they'll do things just as a cover with the money that they are stealing or
murdering people.
And then they'll go, they'll do something in public that's something good.
Right.
That kind of cover.
They're like, and it all comes down to who's in charge.
Yeah.
Who's going to be in charge, the power.
And let us run this thing.
But if you challenge us, and I think that's why they're.
challenging his authority. So he's getting it from every angle. He's getting it from the religious
and they're threatening. They're trying to get him on record saying something that defies
Roman decrees. Right. And because they want to get rid of it. He's a threat to everybody in power.
And unfortunately, these religious people love their power. Yeah. And that's what's happening.
I mean, you're seeing seven different examples of it. I quoted that quote that you did on the podcast,
Chase, that someone, you heard somebody say it, but the kingdom of God is not about the love of
power, but the power of love and how that flips. And so everything you're seeing and what you
described in earthly kingdoms is about the love of power. And certainly our culture and our country
are no different. I mean, and what oppressed people say is, yeah, but if you put me in charge,
I'll change it for the people. And then they get in charge. They have throughout
human history, and they become tyrants and oppressors like the people before them.
I mean, again, if you're not doing this in a servant mentality that's laid out by Jesus in
the kingdom of heaven, you're always going to wind with more tyranny, which I think,
Zach, you wrote a movie about this that dad was in called Torchbearer.
The whole idea was compared to power, the kingdom of God looks at power in a completely different
way.
Yeah, it's interesting.
Because, I mean, even that movie, I think about some of the folks I made it with,
I'm like, I don't know if they understood what we were saying.
Because now they're the guys in power.
Yeah.
Or a word for a while.
Yeah.
But you're like, you know, it's almost like that you see the philosophy emerges.
Like you say, oh, well, when we get in power, we're going to be, we're not going to be like the other guys.
No, but, but you are.
I think one of the things that like classical, it's called classical liberalism, which is now called, I guess, conservatism, if that's even a thing anymore.
But it's the idea is that.
you really take into account the depravity of man.
You know,
you take into account that,
that,
you know,
Lord Acton said that power tends to corrupt,
an absolute power corrupts absolutely.
So it's,
you take this into account.
The only difference,
the only caveat to that statement is,
is Jesus.
Or,
you know,
the God of,
of the Bible,
you know,
the triune God,
who is absolute power and is absolutely uncorruptible.
And that's,
That's what you see, though, displayed in the gospel.
It's what you see displayed in Jesus himself, and this idea that the God who has all the power,
the one who creates the cosmos, the one who speaks it into existence,
is so much bigger than we could ever comprehend.
And then here he is in a human body in the form of a man named Jesus, Emmanuel, God with us,
riding on a cult, going down into a city, going into a temple that just what's going on here in this
whole passage and everything that's happening in the New Testament is a testament to the kind of
God that we serve that is not only is the uncorruptible, he is a God who humiliates himself.
Yeah, exactly.
And does it for us.
I want to say one more thing before we go to overtime.
The whole point of me going through that history was that the cross,
until Jesus was a symbol of Caesar being Lord and Savior.
Because if you defying, you're dead.
That's why they hung people on crosses.
They say, you don't cross us.
This is what happens.
But Jesus took that and made it into a love story.
And I think you see years later when Paul and all his writing saying that Jesus is our Lord and Savior,
and then he talks about his love that he had on the cross.
and that's ultimately how Jesus defeated them really at their own power struggle.
Yeah, which is ironic about the triumphal entry.
It's actually the one of the cross that caused us to triumph.
But we'll talk about that in our overtime segment.
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