Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 81 | Jase's Clint Eastwood Test, Almost Losing Phil's Boat & Getting Caught with Your Pants Down

Episode Date: April 26, 2020

When you gotta go, you gotta go ... even when you're on a boat in the middle of the river. Phil, Jase, and Al describe the ins and outs of using nature's bathroom. Jase gets slimed by an alligator gar and almost loses Phil's boat. The guys discuss missing the forest for the trees when it comes to Jesus. And Jase recalls the the time he and Willie argued over requiring Duck Commander employees to watch "The Outlaw Josey Wales." Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am Unachanged What about you? All right, I have exciting news I want to share Every year since we were commercial fishermen I have been running with the ops Have I said Have I told this before?

I think I don't remember if you described it as running with the ops But you did talk about that you were going to do some fishing I run you know how these people Are you referring to special ops? No, I'm responsible. referring to leaving to Phil to not know what I mean here.

You taught me this. That seems to be a recurring theme of a podcast. I'm using the word ops as short for Apollusus catfish, which is the spotted color of a catfish that is at the top

of the catfish world. We have talked about that before. They're in the Sea of Galilee, by the way, by the hundreds. So every year when they spawn, I get my nets out. So you're running with the ops is a reference to the people that run with the bulls in Spain. You got it.

I got it. I knew where you were going. Here's the difference in me and those fools. They run with things that can kill them. I run with things that I can eat. That's it. That's why people say, hey, let's go bear hunting. I'm like, nope, I'm out on that.

Now, you know, if a bear comes running at me, I will. become a bear hunter. I don't care what the law says. But other than that, I'm not going to seek that out. That's just, look, it's okay that people do that. I'm just, that's not me.

I like to run. You don't like hunting things that can then hunt you. Yeah, I just don't like it. As a general rule. As a general rule. That's why I don't, that's, in my philosophy, always always people trying to get me to ride on horses. And I was like, I understood when you had to ride them.

Like, it made sense because you had to get around and it made, but I don't like riding on things that have their own mind. and they outweigh me, you know, times 10. I just think that's a bad idea. I mean, I'm not against, people love riding horses. I'm all for it if you like that. But I'm saying for me personally, that just never clicked with me. I just never thought about climate.

I'm kind of with you, but I've always had a weird fascination with being in a Western movie, which y'all probably know that about me. And look, I actually had a spot coming up until the coronavirus hit. Really? our old cinematographer, old Jim, that Willow would make fun of, he was the oldest version of the team. I really like him.

He's been in hundreds. I mean, he has not been in, filmed. Filled hundreds of movies that are world famous. And when he left the last day, I said, look, you know, Duck Dynasty's over, we're moving on. He's going on to the next show.

And look, he could be on any show, but he liked our show. He chose to hang with us because a lot of the crew kind of came and went through that whole time. Well, right. He was there for every episode. In that world, they used popular shows as a stepping stone. So they were, you know, coming right and left because they're like, oh, once it became a hit.

But he was here the whole time. And so he sent me a text right before the coronavirus breakout. He said, hey, I think I got you a spot. And so we had started the process. And so, I mean, I said, I don't care if, you know, if I get killed. like one minute in I just want to be on the Western

so I mean find me a cameo where even if I have to die or just you know spit some tobacco or you know I mean did you know I was in a movie I'm in it's never the movie never went

it's kind of like Torchbearer but I was in a movie and got killed in the movie oh really? Yeah I've done this nobody ever knew but it wasn't a Western well it was set in the 70s

I played a lawyer who got bumped off. It was about Roe versus Wade. And the movie never came out? It's never released. I mean, it looked like it was going to. They had a trailer that, you know, it's got a bunch of big name actors, a lot of cameos. I mean, you were in there. Well, yeah. They went big.

We need a live. I think it may be my social media following. They got me the gig. But anyway. So anyway. If it ever comes out, Roe versus Wade's the name of it. Well, Duck, the best 22 seconds of your life. Doug Commander, of course, everything's gone online. I know Willie's behind this because the store has been closed. So he's like, hey, we need to film you some doing what you do. And I said, well, I thought you said I don't do anything.

That's been saying. Is he talking about you on the couch watching the stop market? We all keep saying that. I don't know. So I said, well. That would be the most boring show on television. He said, what are you fixed to do? I said, well, I'm fixing to.

put my nets out because it's time to run with the ops, you know, 2020. And so he's like, well, every time you go, just call him the cameraman. And so I've had these characters following me around, you know, because what I'll do, because then crawfish season is at the same time. So you take the coal fish and then you catch the crawfish and film on this process. We've been doing this for years. So anyway, you know, great, because everything's going to social media now. I mean, you got Phil show is out.

Yeah. People say all of a sudden, Phil, you don't know this because you don't. don't have an internet, but when people got quarantined and you doing a show about being quarantined, well, way more people are watching your show because everybody's quarantine. You see what I mean? So that was the idea, which, by the way, to the audience, in the woods with Phil, so that's on Blaze TV. And this podcast that we're doing, Blaze TV also is the reason why we're able to do it.

So these guys have been great to us. they basically approached that and said, hey, you know, we got a lot of guys doing podcasts, political stuff, mostly day-to-day reaction stuff. But, you know, we'd like to kind of have a biblical, spiritual voice on our platform. Yeah, you know, when they first asked me, I declined because I said, I'm not into politics. They're like, no, no, you can be yourself. I was like, oh, okay, well, I'm back. Then you found that was by one.

You're like, yeah. I'm back in. So they are the reason why they were doing that. So it's two different shows. And sometimes I want to spend a minute just clarify today because in the woods, you go to Blaze TV. And that's where you find. It's in the woods with Phil. And it's a subscription model.

So you have to pay money for the year to be able to get the channel. So you got Dad's show, but then you also have 22 other shows, Mark Levin, you know, Glenn Beck, a lot of other people as well. So right now they're offering, not much longer, I think about another week, for instead of $99 a year, which is what it costs to get the channel. you can get it for 69, which is the biggest savings since I've been involved with these guys. Well, they're doing it because what else do you got to do? Well, right. And they understand money's tight. So they want to try to get people crossed over.

So right now we're doing in the quarantine with Phil, it's a special series. It's been really interesting because a lot of the stuff that we learned, a lot of stuff we talk about on here as well. So anyway, just, again, if you go there, blazedtv.com, and then you can, you can enter code Jace or Phil. You can either one of these guys use their name as the code and you get $30 off. So sign up. It's a good deal. Can let me finish my story? Finish your deal.

So I refer to it as as the art of doing nothing because. But you are doing something. Well, I know that. But I'm just saying. He's recreated Seinfeld. If you just, you know, move a film crew and say, well, let's, let's film and just see what some people do. But Phil, you have... What they're seeing is reality.

I mean, I'm not... Well, you have a certain set of skills that in the wild that is interesting. I take it for granted because I'm around you. But I've had a lot of people, evidently, I didn't watch it, but I've heard the bit my whole life. See, I haven't heard the scuttle butt on it. Well, I heard the scuttle butt because some of my friends that I play cards with, they're like, man, I never... realized that there were there are three

top leaves in the leaf not industry the leaf world that are the leaf industry that are the best when you're in a pinch intestinal discomfort

that you can because you don't want any anal mischief that was well yeah so but I've had more people that was my favorite come up they'll I love the podcast but I'm going to tell you I'll learn something, you know. I mean, it's just lines like, you know, I've never looked at a overcup leaf the same or whatever it was, you know. So anyway. So people, you're educating people that's good in these times, which I, you know, I've told my wife. A lot of people thought it was a big joke, but they don't realize. Well, right. I mean, if I'm in that position where I, it's a full stop panic and you see me running through the woods. Yeah. I'm going to spend 60 seconds finding the best leaf around me. That's right. I will do that. While I

I'm taking care of the business. I've been doing it for 60, 70 years. So it's not. But so Dad was having a conversation with a reporter about this, about in the quarantine. Now, she's, you know, a little chick from L.A. does the, you know, whatever, the 4-1-1 or whatever her show is. And you're explaining this to her. So, I mean, but think about it in her mind.

She's never known anything but a city and a, you know, a roll of toilet paper. So you were blowing her mind with just the idea. Yeah, that you mean you could go in the woods? I was raised in an era where I never laid my eyes on toilet paper. Yeah. It was a toilet, a little wooden structure. It was a hole in the ground, and it was a board, and it had a roof. But there was a board there, you know, it was a round, just a round hole in the board.

Yeah. And it was just, they just dug a hole. Well, they set the wooden structure of it, had a round hole. You said, I don't. But all that was ever there that I saw was like a catalog of some sort. Sears catalog. The old Sears catalog and pages and did tear out a page. But it wasn't the best toilet paper in the world.

In fact, I found leaves to be superior to the Sears. A Sears and Robot catalog. There was not enough. The Sears and Robot catalog was too slick. But a leaf on the bottom side. You couldn't get a good adherence to the... People think, well, surely not, but I'm just telling them. So you'd rather have one of them old telephone books, you know.

Sticky. Sticky paper. That's what they should have done with that to get rid of all them instead of burning them. I mean, the bottom line is if you stay a lot of time, spend a lot of time in heavy woods, whatever you're doing. Deer, honey, you know, trot lining, running nets. I mean, you know, if the water's up, it's a flood zone. So you're out there in a boat where you're,

You're looking around, you're like, well, you know, sometimes you've got to squat over the end of the boat and some awkward positions. I mean, I walk logs, floating logs, and get on the end of them, take a dump off the end of the log. I mean, you're doing high water. You have to find a lot of times out of door. You got a little mound. Like, I was looking, I had a little mound. But, I mean, you talk about a precarious situation. You got waiters pull down around your ankles.

Oh, yeah. And you're like doing a balancing act. I felt like a trapeze artist. If you were a person, a city dweller, who had never even. spit any time outdoors. Maybe a hiking trail, but even them on a hiking trail, they're like, whoops, I got to go.

You have any? Oh, now there's a law against stuff like that. Oh, if you spend a lot of time in the woods, and ordered an amount of time in the woods, which I have, you're like, you just learn to deal with things like. I mean, look, I've been guilty of indecent exposure. You know how people get convicted of that.

in the woods and water. They think it was some kind of joke I introduced into the equation, but spent a lot of time in the woods when it comes time for bathroom facilities. Yeah. You're going to have to make do on something other than a nice, I mean, we didn't have like a commode and a bathtub. Running water. I was raised without that.

Well, you know that feeling when you're in a boat and you're like, okay, I have to go right now, and I can't make it to the bank. And then all of a sudden you hear another boat coming. And then you're in a quandary there. You're like, you know what? Your mind is trying to tell everything to hold on, but you can't hold on. You just can't, you know, I just put my head down and say, you know what, it's a normal function of life. Consider yourself mooned as you go by.

In my particular case, I have used the bathroom, as they say, outdoors more than I have indoors. That's a fact. That is crazy. That's a fact. That's a fact. That's why you have a show called in the quarantine. When you can make that statement. So you're qualified.

You're qualified. Hang on. Let's take a break. I mean, I started telling a story like an hour ago. So I go out there. I have the cameraman. He's a real pale fellow. And I could tell he hasn't been outdoors much.

And I'm setting a tone here for what's fixed to happen. I'm fixed to give you this. This is the new guy, the young guy at Duck and, Yeah, his name's Hunter. Payle means bright, white, as I call him. He spent a lot of days inside. Computer room. Yeah.

And so, because they said, we'll just send you a cameraman. I was like, what's his name? He said, Hunter. I said, oh, we're good there. Yeah. But it showed me that just because your name is Hunter, that doesn't, that doesn't mean anything. So, because, you know, you just, if you haven't commercial fished and plus he has equipment, you know, course, first thing I did is put a life jack.

I said, you need to wear this. And he's like, no, I'm good. I was like, no, put the life jacket on. He said, why? I said, because they don't drag up people with life jackets on. That's right. He was like, oh, I said, you fall out of the boat, you're dead. And it's not, I hope you're getting, you fall out, you're a dead man because the river's way up.

And then not only that, as we've learned from Doug Dynasty, production equipment and water. Don't go well together. People were fired multiple times. We were rescuing the film crew, and we did a great. Great job to save that bunch. Yeah. Yeah. They came close to dying.

We have many stories on that. But remember the guy that fell in the dog, you know, and he was, I was like, he's going to die of a heart attack just because of fear. You know, he was just walling around in the water. Because the water wasn't very easy. It wasn't deep. But anyway. So I'd taken this fellow before, you know, we put the nets out. And so now it's the payoff.

And so I kind of came up with a good, a bad. the ugly of the first day. Phil knows the good because he was here when I got back. But the good was the first net I ran. It was slamful. But it only had, it was slam full of blues, which meant I was a little deep. Because I don't want the blue cat, you know. That's bait.

But I had one, when I looked down, because you can see right below the water and the end of the net, because I was telling the camera, I said, get up here. This is the money shot here, buddy. Right. And, but, you know, he's looking around. He just didn't, he didn't understand what I was talking about. Too bad that didn't make a fisher instead of hunting. Yeah.

So I had about a eight-pounder, which is absolutely perfect. Perfect eating. It can feed a family, you know, five to seven. Yeah. But it's the best, so it's, you have plenty, but it's the best, you know, quality. They get over about 10, and they start becoming coarse and rubbery. So you want one, I mean, I'll eat one 15 or lower, but eight is the magic. So tell the odds, an eight-pound op would produce how much meat?

Four pounds of meat. You get half. Most people eat about a half a pound. Quarter of a pound. Yeah. Well, if you have a fish, you say, how many fish do I need if I have 100 people coming? You say a quarter pound of person. If you got stuff with it, right.

That's right. I hate to tell you this. When a first guy told me that, and I said, no, they eat me. Because we'd. I checked it through the years. If you're going to have a fish ride, you would think a quarter of pound would not be enough. But I'm telling you, you'll have fish. But when you think about it like a fish left over.

A quarter pound burger is enough. And so, I mean, we think about a quarter pound. But it does depend on when's the last time you ate one and how you feel about it. Because I had fasted. I fasted the day I ran the net. It doesn't cover glad me, Jays. What is it? Was it two o'clock?

I guess I went out there? Yep. Yeah. two or three o'clock and so i hadn't eaten because just in case i had one because i'm we've we got reward money coming here and so uh i gave phil half of the belly meat there's two belly sections on the which is the best which is the best i gave phil one of them for the use of the boat and he volunteered to clean it which was was nice the patter for me is got to make sure you give your tie to the so i hate to tell you this phil i took the other

two sides and the other belly meat went home, cooked it all, and ate it all. You ate it out? Well, I told everybody, I said, hey, I got fried apple of his cat. That's a lot of op. And the only person that was interested was Karina, my Nicaraguan daughter, I guess. And but she, you know, I just kept going back in. You know, after a while, 10, 15 minutes, I thought, I guess she don't want me. So you had two pounds of op plus the what you scraped off the backbone and all that.

Yeah, it was awesome. So that was the good. The bad was my next net, I'll go up there. I go to the limb where it's tied. Wasn't tied. Uh-oh. I said, hmm, no rope. So then, to make a long story short, we have a drag.

It's a hook that has four prongs. I think you made it, didn't you? Or had it made. Some guy in Texas built up on me. And it's perfect for, dragging up, dragging up rope. So, of course, and then it got hung. We went through all that.

I mean, you know, and so the guy is like, is this normal? You know, I'm with the cameraman. I'm like, just relax here, buddy. Well, I could not find the rope because the current is so strong. I just couldn't get it. So finally I said, well, I know I can get the net. I went to the tail line and felt the rope. I didn't want to run it from the tail line because you dump all your fish on the way.

So finally, I hung on to the front of the nets. My net. I thought, you don't want to do it. do that because you don't want to tear your net. You got to repair it. Yeah. So, but I'm like, you got to get the net. And so I finally got it.

And so this took 30 minutes, you know, and it's your. So you're now filming a miniseries for a decklander deck. Oh, yeah. It's just gotten, you know. This is war in peace. So that was bad because now it's kind of embarrassed because that guy was like, oh, this was easy. You know, first net, boom, jackpot.

Here we go. Next net. You know, a lot of whistling. Well, Phil knows what I'm fixed to say that when these bubbles started coming up, well, that's bad because something's dead in this net. And it just popped up like, shoo, like a buoy coming from underwater. And it was about a 40-pound alligator gar that had turned.

He had died in the process, and he had had some green, tent behind each gills, which leads to the ugly is... I can smell it in my mind right now from all the ears we fish. When you have a small net and you get a gar that's that big, it is literally almost impossible to get him out because if he was alive, it would actually help it. Because a guard, you know, is an unusual fish. The details of, you know, in the creation is what led me to be. a believer in God, you know, and hearing the story of Jesus because you see a gar,

you know, he's a strange fish. His scales are not like other scales. His scales will cut you. Oh, yeah. They're sharp. It's an armor. And they also can breathe, they're one of the few fish that can breathe water and air. I don't know if y'all knew that.

Oh, yeah. That's why they come up to the top. So these people that don't believe in God, they're like, see, there is a link, you know. And I'm like, no, they're. They're the image of why this didn't just happen at a seawalk. They're so vastly different that you're like, hmm, you know, how did this happen? And big ones look like alligators. I mean, you know, because dad caught one about 175 pounds one time.

I was with him that day. It looked like an alligator. We caught the hundred bass. But, you know, I've read. His snout was, you know, what, a foot and a half. Wow. Some big ones. I think the biggest they've ever called is 330 pounds.

It was like 10 or 12 foot long. But anyway, you've got to get this thing out. And what you have to do, it's a barbaric process because you have to basically break his jaw off the teeth, which I learned is from Phil. Oh, they're razor-shark. If you touch it. What's amazing is we swam in the river my whole life. But gar, they're not aggressive. I've never, like, been in fear for my life.

They look bad, but they look. But that 100-pound gar we called or 140-pound, I mean, that thing could have eaten you. I mean, it was that big, but we don't really view them as scary, but they will cut you. But what happens is when you go through the process getting the gar, the ugly part is this thing gets all over you. I mean, when I walked in the house. A lot of slime. When I walked in the house, Missy says, what's that smell? I said, they'd be a dead guard.

Of course, I knew at that moment, you know, because we've gone through the process, she's out. Oh, yeah. You know what I mean? You pursued the wrong fish for romance. You don't remove the smell of a dead gar after you get them out of the net with one shower. This is five showers. Fresh, crappy romance. Sometimes it takes a few days.

It takes days. Dead guards go sleep on the couch, Jays. So, anyway, to make a long story short, that it's good times because that has begun. So was that the bad, was that the bad or was that the ugly? The bad was that I was wondering if you covered all three there Oh I had the good and the ugly I didn't have the bad

Here was the bad Hang on let's take a break Because I gotta hear the bag Gotta get the stack Because we got Then I want to talk about Eastwood Because that's where that Now here's the bad

I saved it for last Because Phil don't know this What happened was when I got back to the bank Well I was distracted Because this guy said Hey let's do a you know A shot a wrap up shot I said what do you mean

We just wrapped it up I said, don't try to plan all this. You follow along. So your camera guy just went to Martin Scorsese. He's like, let's go to the truck. I'm like, I'm not a, hey, guys. You know, it's been a great day. I'm just not that type of guy.

You just film what happens. And so we kind of got into an argument. I was like, hey, turn the camera on. Shocker. I can't believe you were getting to an argument. I said, watch this. And I grabbed the Yeti Ice Chess with the Op in it because I put that in the ice chest. I said, because you don't want anybody else to see this, you know, it's mine.

And then I tore off up the bank. with it, you know? And he's like, but you didn't say anything. I was like, no, that was, you wanted a closing shot. That I had to get up the bank and I took my fish. That was it. Don't need to say anything. I'm going to go clean it.

So he comes out, you know, we go up, we clean the fish, you know, with Phil and, you know, we forget about that. You said, well, where's the bad? Well, I get halfway home and it hit me that I got so distracted by that cameraman, I thought, I don't think I tied that boat back up. And so I called Dan's Butler because I didn't want to call Phil because I knew he would have a fit. Uh-oh. You just went back to being about 12 years old.

I said, Dan, I said, I think something bad has happened. I think that I pulled up, got the op out, cleaned the op, went on my way. And I don't think I ever tied the boat up. I said, no, the good news is it was kind of in shallow water. There's a lot of trees around there. I said, it may still be there. I said, but if you go down there and it's not. It would have been hard to come out of there right there for that one.

I said, I'm going to turn around and come back because I'm pretty sure that's halfway to the Gulf of Mexico now. Because if it ever got going down river. Oh, yeah, I said, we're going to need a speedboat. But anyway, but I really thought I had. I just thought just in case, oh, he called me back later. He's like, good call. You didn't tie the boat up. But he said it had hung on a little group of trees, and he fished it.

So back in the day, that would have been, that would have been some licks. So it was bad because it was kind of embarrassing. You know what I mean? Yeah, you're the pro. I use Phil's boat. But I got us distracted by this cameraman. You know what I mean? Let's get his money shot, a parting shot.

That's what caused all the problems. My frustration. Back to last podcast, you talked about assessing blame. Poor Hunter now is taking all the blame for your lack of. Wow, that's idiot. You know what I mean? We just have one of the greatest things that people can see. I'm running with the ops.

And now you want to ruin it by getting on the edge of the boat and talking about it. It's just so... People who have never eaten Apollosus cat would not realize what Jason is saying. They would say, some guy talking about a fish, but if you're never eating them, you wouldn't appreciate it. I was trying to think, Dad, if somebody we had down, I don't remember who it was on a book project or something. And they had never, you know, we got up and so they went over an answer. ate that op and they just like they couldn't believe it they were like there's something that taste that good that where does it how do I get it and you're saying oh no there's no you'd have to

go fish to get it you know I caught a 10 pounder yesterday 10 pound off up there so you mentioned the good the bad and the ugly uh Marsha one of our listeners and I love it she's got the episode episode 61 Phil made a statement that Clint Eastwood said I like my chicken fried jace didn't really believe him so she looked it up. So now, Marsha, you went to bat here. She said, please tell Phil, it is true, and it comes from the movie High Plains Drifter. That's the reason I didn't know it,

because if you ranked all the Clint Eastwood Westerns, I got that one down at the bottom. Do you want to take issue with that? No. It wasn't much. Yeah. It wasn't one of our favorites, but it is interesting.

You remember the line? But it was a good line. Well, it made me. And you just mentioned about the, with the camera guy. So dad loved Eastwood movies and it transferred to us because, you know, we would watch them. Well, that's all there was to watch. Yeah.

You got to remember. People forget that when I was raised, you know, you had three channels and two of them were fuzzy. I mean, you know, now everybody. Yeah, I went to color code about 11 o'clock at night. You know how you see these movies and you don't think they're realistic? but we were the people that Phil would holler through the window. We literally, there was a many a time I was on that roof.

And he was like, over a little bit to the left. No, no. Too far. Too far. Go back to the right. You know, and. Just to get straightening the antenna to pick the reception. Yeah.

You had to have it. I remember the best thing that you guys ever bought. This was pre-cell phone, pre-internet. You remember this, Chase? There was one that you could, they bought a thing and hooked it up to the TV. and the antenna, and it electronically, you could turn it, and it would sync them up together. It was like, I thought it was magic. Like, to me, I thought it was, you know, something from heaven has fallen down there.

Because then you didn't have to go out and turn anymore because it had a little automatic tuner that you could. I remember when you, y'all bought that. We changed stations. You had to go out and turn the antenna. No, not we. That would be me. Yeah, you were a man.

And I thought, me too. I had forgotten that, Jace. But look, you know, here's what's funny about this. as dangerous as it was up on that roof, you know, we, I'm like, because I look back on it. I mean, at the time, I thought my dad told me to do it. Yeah, that's what we do. Then I thought, you know, I mean, he's risking my life.

Bob is on the line. You probably just want to broke a leg or something, you know. I don't know if it was really risky. The biggest argument Willie and I ever got into was over a Clint Eastwood baby. Because back when Duchy hit, you know, we were hiring. and firing all these people. Well, I had, I would tell people that was in the duck call room because I was in charge. And I'm like, I tell Willie, you stay out of here.

You don't know a duck from a billy goat as far as sounding, which he doesn't, you know. I was like, this is my domain. Stay away. And so, but some of these guys, they were hiring young bucks. They had never seen outlawed Josie Wales. And so I said, if you don't watch that movie tonight, you cannot work here. You cannot work here. You're fired.

Well, they laughed. You don't know. I'm just looking at them. I'm not kidding. Well, one of these fans goes and tells Willie, though, Willie, like, calls me. The only time he's ever called me into his office. He's like, I know you're joking, you know, but I was like, no, I'm not joking.

And he's like, what is your point? I said, my point is half of our conversation in that duck hall room revolves around that movie. Or lines from the movie. This guy's going to be clueless, and I don't want to deal with the frustration. And it's just idiotic. The movie is an awesome movie about. Life, the man, you know, Eastwood was done wrong. It reminds me just a lot of things about life.

He starts trying to find justice, and then he picks up all the other people that were oppressed, and it just kind of reminded me of my childhood. It's interesting, too, because it's one of the first ones that he directed himself. You know, up until that point of his career, you know, most he was just an actor. But it's not the first one, but it's the first one he pretty much just hound the whole thing. He said, I heard him somewhere, and he said, that out of all of me made, the movies, that was his favorite. It's our favorite for sure.

Look, I've actually used those words of life and words of death in a spiritual. Oh, that dude. Spiritual application. He's talking to the Indian chief there. Yeah. Ten bears. He said, Ten bears said, well, this we already have. He said, I ain't promising you nothing extra.

He was just saying, I'll die with you, I live with you. Ain't nothing extra here. Anyway, don't get me started because I'll go through. the whole movie. Which my lovely wife, she doesn't like the movie because I can't be quiet during the movie. I say the lines before he says him. Oh, boy, you're one of those. I can't help it.

I told us that I cannot. Who's your favorite character in the movie? I mean, other than Eastwood, who's your favorite? I mean, the old old Josie Wells is more about the movie. The good, bad, and the ugly, I mean, my favorite character of all time is Tucco. Oh, yeah. Just because. He was good.

Eli Wallach. Oh, it just, I mean, I think that's one of the greatest movies. You should have won a Camero War maybe dead. I don't know. No, they didn't, back in those days, they were unfair because they were foreign films, you know, because they filmed them in Italy, and so they didn't even get the right recognition. I mean, overall of it. But. Lone Wadi is mine, by the way, most of else.

I mean, the old Indian. Oh, wow. That whole scene with him about his, you know, he said, I never surrendered. But my horse did. But my horse did. Now, here he's, because that's so how we are, though. He's putting a wagon up in cages. And he said, I don't have any food, but all I got to a piece of red.

Hard rock candy. Yeah, candy. But it's not for eating. It's just for looking through. Because it's all the things that we talk about in my childhood. These were, that's why I liked that movie. It was things that we kind of did, you know. Well, and it came out during our childhood.

I think it was 70, mid-70s maybe as well. It came out. Well, a lot of reminiscion here. Well, I wanted to say this. Hang on. Let's take a break. And then we'll let you make it. I wanted to say this.

I mean, Phil, it's kind of a big deal when we start running with ops. And I threw in the evidence about the guard just that you see in creation. But also, I'm without. We read some of these comments. Al sends me some of them. And I think what you got to realize is if you go through the Bible the way we have, There's a tendency to miss the forest for the trees. You know, we went through John 4 last time talking about, or I'm not sure it was the last time, you know, because I don't know how all these are aired.

But, and I thought a lot of these people, they have these questions that seem so small to me. I mean, and it's like when I look at the religious world and you see all the denominations and people are, they try. try to find groups of people that they agree with. And that's what amazes me about a lot of the comments we get. It's like this endless journey to try to agree on every principle of the Bible. And I got news for you. It ain't going to happen. And so some of the questions to me are almost embarrassing because I'm like,

it's not that big a deal. That's not that big. You're making this a big deal. And so it hit me. I thought, you know, when we went through the story with the Samaritan woman, the point Jesus basically was making was that because the argument that came up at the end on where we worship and it's not going to be a place. And, you know, the point he was making is I am Jacob's well.

Right. He was saying there's living water. I'm the well. I'm the water. We didn't say that, you know, but we said it in John. John, is it one or two? You remember in one where he was talking about with Nathaniel? Remember we went back to Genesis and he was seeing Jacob's ladder and we made the point.

He said the same thing. I'm the ladder. I'm where heaven and earth meet. I'm the image of God. Same thing with the Samaritan woman. And you're going to see that over and over and over. Where we're getting to next, he makes a statement in John. in verse 39, it says you diligently, and we'll get into the details in the future, but I just want to make the point.

You diligently study the scriptures because you think by them you possess eternal life. And I want to stop there because these questions that I'm addressing, it's arguments over scriptures or how you interpret scriptures or what you think the scriptures say. Or what you were taught. Yeah, what you were taught. But notice the second part of 539. These are the scriptures that testify about me, yet you refuse to come to me to have life. Here's my point. And I want to share something about the Samaritan woman that I think you'll find fascinating with what happened Sunday.

My point is, my goal is to agree on Jesus. He is the image of God. If you want to get to know God, you've got to go through Jesus. Let's agree that Jesus is the son of God. He is the beginning, the end, he's the resurrection, he's life, he's the truth. What do you say? I'm the way, I'm the well, I'm the ladder, you know, and he's in us. And we introduce him.

Let's agree on that. Everything else, I'm not worried about. I'm really not. What if I'm wrong? you know because what what seems painful about religion is that people will come up with little statements they're like so so when you said this i mean did you mean this you know and i'm thinking does it i can't even remember what i meant you know what i said it's like are you saying it sounds like a it sounds like a president trump news conference you know every conference is the little jots and

tittle about, you know, three weeks ago, you said this. Did you mean that? Everything is scrutinized. Scrutinized to the intagree. Instead of the big picture, we're trying to take a virus. I mean, you know, it just kills me watching. So here's what I wanted to say. Al has no idea that I wanted to do this, but I wanted to do it.

Sunday, you know, we have our virtual service now. And Mike was going to preach. He talked a little bit and he showed a video. And the video, I had never seen before. No, you had never seen that. I never seen that. So you know you had seen it before. I had seen it before.

But I hadn't seen it a long time. It was my Aunt Jan who she went to be with the Lord. What? About a year ago. Yeah, about a year ago. Well, she was being interviewed and they were in John 4, oddly enough. And the reason I said I wanted to make a point before I get back to the video, when you read John 4 and the whole conversation started with Jesus saying, will you give me a little? a drink, you know? And basically, I know she looked back on that as, you know, her life-changing

moment. She had been, had all these relationships. Not of them worked, but she found the real man, you know, in Jesus. And at some point, it probably dawned on her that he was pursuing her. She was, despite all her baggage and problems, you know, she was a, she was a thirst quencher here. And the reason I'm saying that is because when you go to Acts chapter 8, because we know what happened, you know, she has this conversation with Jesus, and then she takes off and starts, because, you know, it says she went to all, you know, the men and started telling them about the man, which was Jesus. Well, when you get to Acts 8 and Philip, all of a sudden persecution comes out because Saul is persecuting the church. And when he goes down to a little place called where in verse four, some area, four and five. And I don't want to read it all.

I just want to say that the bottom line was a lot of people came to the Lord. But I know what happened in John four set the tone for what happened in Acts 8 because I know that's how God operates. And to get back to the video, hang on, let's take one last break before we do that. To get to the video, what they did was the first person that came up was my Aunt Jan, which was kind of moving for me because I hadn't seen her, you know, because she's obviously. And I wasn't prepared for that because I didn't participate Sunday, so I was watching like everybody else. And I had seen the video. And Mike had even told me he was doing the video, but I hadn't seen it a long time.

So when her face popped up on that screen and she started talking about it, I mean, I immediately got a motion. And then Bill Smith was the next guy. Well, that's where I was going. So then they had Bill Smith being interviewed. It was very, the cinematography was well done. It was a very good production. Well, Bill Smith, he said, well, she went to Bill Smith. Bill Smith went to you, and they told the story about.

He was our preacher at the time back in the day. Yeah, he said, where's Phil at? And he's at the bar. And he's like, well, I guess all. It was interesting hearing his take. I'd never heard him comment on that. He's like, he kind of mixed the story up a little bit. But he said, I guess I'll go see him at the bar.

But anyway. And so then they go to feel. Right. And so because that's, you heard Jesus, your sister took advantage of the situation of you and mom being separated and having all the problems and you having the, you know, problem with drinking and, you know, all that was to that. But she knew your potential. That's right. That's what she talked about on the video. And she fought and she went to a guy who wasn't scared of anything, which is Bill Smith, who's also in.

heaven. And so, you know, and then came you and you tell the story that they had just told. Well, then you introduced Mack, Owen, who is the director. He's the national director, or I think he's the hemisphere director of Celebrate Recovery. I mean, he's over every CR. Because you help, you know, bring him to the Lord and kind of train him. You know, that was a long story. You can watch the video.

You can go back and see the WFR Sunday and you'll see them. A bit far at church.org if you want to want it. Bring you Kleenex. It's touching. And then they moved to Chad Johnson, who was a younger guy, a guy I love and have been a part of, you know, his process also. And Mack trained him. Well, we all did. Well, right.

But, and you said, what is all that, what is your point? What does all this mean? What does this have to do the Samaritan one? What does that do with arguing about religion? What they showed there and what happened in John four is what? what happened. When you're introduced to Jesus, that's when your life changes. Things that matter now change. You get God's spirit. You know, you then become a vessel in which other people hear about Jesus. And the ramifications of that are amazing. You just think if Jan would have just

kept her mouth shut and, you know, stayed home and watched TV or whatever and said, you know, to heck with him. My brother's terrible. He's a lost cause. I got a brother who's a drunk. Yippee. I mean, lost cause. And so now you see, I mean, you fast forward this through, I mean, Phil, it's kind of awkward bragging on you, you know, in this setting. But you fast forward, you have brought, you know, tens of thousands of people to Jesus. But what they did on the video and what happened here in John 4, that's why, you know, I had this thought, and I know we kind of moved past it,

but I wanted to share it with the podcast is because, number one, it shows you. you're never too far gone. The most important thing. Yeah, for God to rescue you. Number two, God uses other people to step up and share Jesus. And she used, you know, you use somebody like Jan. But then when you look at it, what happens, it may be something in the distant future, but tens of thousands and throughout all generations, people will come to Jesus.

And it's these little moments. It's these little conversations, it's little decisions that God uses to really unleash his power. Well, something else that was not on the video Sunday, but I'll just tell you if you guys go watch it. So the thread of interviews are the people Jason mentioned. But all the people that you see on the video, there were probably 100 plus people that are in the room while they were filming it. And you see them kind of smiling at all.

Every one of those have been led to Christ by someone in that line of people that did interviews. That was just local people that they pulled together. you know, quickly to film. So I thought that was powerful because you're right. It takes you back to that Samaritan Village.

And I hadn't thought about the link over, you know, when Stephen was there. Yeah. You know. Yeah, I gave a thumbnail of that,

but you dig down into that. Look, it's good, good stuff. And it illustrates the point. You say, what's that got to do about arguing religion?

Because the point is, and y'all have heard preachers say this many times, but it's true. What we are in Christ, you know, We no longer live.

God looks down, he sees Jesus. You know, Galatians 2.20, I've been crucified with Christ. I no longer live. You know, Christ lives in me. And we're a movement. We're not a monument. We're not a building that sits around and argues with other buildings about little things that may, you might be right or wrong. You know, I hope God gives us the spirit of wisdom to find it out.

Look, we study and we do this podcast. to talk about things and, you know, go down rabbit holes. But if you miss Jesus and the movement aspect of him being shared and how that affects people's real lives and communities, well, you just missed it. Right. You know, so I'm saying I'd rather have more comments like that than I would. What do you think about, you know, were you saying that it's just so small of a thing?

is it wrong to, you know, eat in the sanctuary or, you know, it's just stuff like that. That seems so trivial. If they start with a question, do you think it's right? And then they'll tell you, whether you, do you think it's right to? And then they'll give you whatever they think is right or wrong. And they want to hear what you say. And then their argument starts. All right.

Well, and I've answered several that have led with that. And I always answer the same way. Paul said clearly, the acts of the sinful nature are obvious. And then he tells you what they are. And there are a few lists throughout the New Testament that tell you. When you have to build a case for something to be wrong or sinful, you're already going out. You're putting yourself out on a big limb. Or out if you try to figure out what group you're with and then put them in a box and say, well, oh, you believe this.

I've had people do that, you know. Because they're like, no, what group are you with? I'm like, I'm with God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. You can take that as singular or plural. Doesn't matter to me. There's a mighty throng. In fact, every last one of them worldwide, a mighty throng. And they've all gotten together and they go all the way back into someone's past.

Now, mine would be one where they would start and say, boy, look what we found. Look what kind of sinful fellow we found here. The ones who are looking for the sins of others. and they're going all the way back to their junior high years trying to come up with something, they're all sinful themselves, every one of them. And they say, let's go back into this one's life and that one's life and the other one's life. Let's go back and see about the drunkenness and they're right. Look at what we have and they always drag it up thinking somehow.

I don't know whether they do it because it makes them feel better because they know they're sinful too if they're honest with themselves, like, well, you know, how's your young life being junior high school? Now you're 50 years old. Has it been going? I mean, made any mistakes on the way there, lady? I mean, you just get to thinking about it, Al, and you say, they tell me that the Internet is that. It's just a. Social media is that, too.

Yeah, someone told me, said, Phil, don't ever make the mistake of tuning, clicking on to the Internet. Because there are a lot of people trashing you, dude. It's pretty brutal. Well, it's awesome. So how do you take that? Jason is pretty well on it right there. Well, look. You come to Jesus because he's removed your sins.

God sees his son in us. Others say, well, how could you believe in someone you've never seen? Have you seen God? I said, no. So you've never seen this God. You dreamed him up. I said, no, I didn't dream him up. I just read these letters.

and these letters that supposedly came from heaven and I've read them and I've run up on this God that I've never seen the only speaking to me he's ever done is through these letters

you say well hi in the world and you expect me to believe that have faith in something I'm like do you see the coronavirus all the deaths it is causing all the misery and the economic slowdown

have you seen it yourself the coronavirus and they're like well no but i mean i said well how do you know it's here and they say well i just see what i just see what's happened so so you are viewing the deaths that come about so only a handful have looked under a microscope and said we can see the coronavirus 99.9% of the human beings on earth they can't see you the coronavirus, but they see the results of it. Jason's making the point, when you see the results of someone's life,

oh, you can see God. You can see God there, or you see someone else there. You see what I'm saying? Don't try to figure out what mountain she was on. Try to figure out that if Jesus can use this woman, oh, he can use anybody. That's right.

To take over a town. Put yourself in her shoes. A drunken and moral heathen like myself. You said, well, who in the world would have ever thought you would have made the turn. It is what it is, Al. It is. It is. Good stuff.

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