Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 812 | Phil Imparts Advice to a New Father-in-Law & Jase Wishes the Family Would Wear Nametags

Episode Date: January 4, 2024

A family wedding moves Phil to reminisce about the passage of time and the beauty of being the spiritual leader of a very large family of believers. Jase met many of his new family members over the holiday season and wishes they’d wear identification so he would know who everyone belongs to! The guys look at scripture through the lens of God’s presence and connection with his children as a being outside of time who still upholds personal relationships. In this episode: Luke 20, verses 36-47; Hebrews 7, verse 16; 1 Kings 8, verse 27; 1 Chronicles 7, verses 1-2; Ecclesiastes 3, verse 11 — Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? Welcome back to Unashamed. We've got a little different setup today. We do. I'm up here in North Carolina land with Zach in the studio. Welcome. We had to rearrange some stuff. I've always liked being up here with my North... I call my hillbilly family now because they're up here in the hills. My sinuses get dried out. I have a few issues. but we were up here for a wedding. And Jace, I noticed you weren't here, but you were represented because your daughter, Mia, was in the wedding party.

She was here. Wow. My daughter has become just an international traveler. Every time I look up. She stayed at the house. I will say this, Jace, 3.45 a.m., Mia and some of the camp girls roll in. So they did wait me up about 3.45 in the morning. but, hey, they were with good people, so, you know, having a good time.

Usually when young college-age people roll in at 3.45, that's a sign of something terrible that just happened. Usually it is, but I can verify. So they left the house at 1130. They said, we're going to go hang out with our camp friends from Camp Chioca, because all the camp people came in for the wedding. Lately got married, my daughter. And they were staying 45 minutes away. So they drove 45 minutes. And then they hung out and drove back.

So they got here almost 4 in the morning. Yeah. Well, and it was interesting because the wedding was, I mean, it was hopping. They had a band in. They were playing. It was mostly Motown, you know, just stuff everybody loves. Yeah. And the thing is hopping.

And Gordon looked over me. He said, I mean, can you imagine this is all happening with no alcohol? And I was like, I mean, because it was hopping and jumping and people were dancing and it was like, it's happening. And there wasn't a drop of alcohol there. There's a lot of energy in the room. There's a lot of energy. But I have to say, Zach, I'll brag on you because Layla's wedding was one of the most spiritual, godly experiences that I've ever been to. And I've done a lot of weddings.

And just the whole thing, you know, Zach gave her away. and I don't know it was just really touching the whole thing and their vows and it was just a very spiritual experience would be the way I'd describe it so I was it was it was uplifting I'm well thank you yeah it was really good and who did the ceremony did I miss that so so Ben did it and it was interesting because Ben texts me which is my brother-in-law right that's Melissa's husband and so he texts me the day before he said I want to warn you Al that you're probably going to recognize a lot of my content at the wedding tomorrow. So then he said,

ha, ha, ha. So I knew what that meant, you know, because I'd send him notes a while back. And he ripped your son. Basically, he did my wedding. But, but you know how I took that listening to it? It was like totally, I was humbled and honored. I mean, it was like, you know, it's something you've done your life and kind of this compilation of wedding notes because I've done so many weddings through the years.

Yeah. When somebody takes that and then uses it in the next generation, I mean, that's a very humbling thing. So I kind of took it, Dad, as this next generation look. You know, I thought, well, that's really cool, that things that you've compiled from other people through the years and used in ministry, now they're carrying that forward. I've used your notes. Because when I was, when I at the college ministry at WFR, I preached a lot of weddings. So when I, when Ben got about, I'd say about 20% into his sermon, I thought, I've heard this before. He knew where he was going.

First of all that was, he stole my sermon. Actually, I stole our sermon. That's what you both stole that. Well, actually, we're all stealing God's sermon. I mean, that should be our prayer, which is, you know, I'm going to use a lot of your stuff here, Lord, over and over again. Well, that's what I said. You know, it's not like the Harvard professor. You can't really plagiarize when the Holy Spirit is behind the whole thing.

I mean, ultimately, it's the Holy Spirit's work. And so I got it from other people, my mentors, and so it's good to see. it carried forward. But it was a great experience. It was fun, but spiritual and godly at the same time, which is, it's hard to pull off, you know, for Christians a lot of times. But that's what the wedding was. So it was well worth the trip up here.

I know y'all were upset. Y'all couldn't make it, though, but I know y'all probably. Yeah, I'm sure they sent notes. Yeah. So I told Gordon that dad was this close. I was like he was right there at the cusp of coming up, but then I guess something came up. So, is that true, Dad? Well, looking at it from an older point of view, what I was alluding to a while ago, when Jesus was resurrected and all throughout the Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, we've been looking at what he said.

Well, what's interesting is that the 11 disciples went to Galilee. This is the end of Matthew chapter 28. Jesus had told them to go. when this is the first sighting for this group. When they saw him, they worshipped him. Now check us out. But some doubted about what's going on here. Well, there is a group to this day that doubt the power of all this coming together.

And a wedding would be a good place to go. All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. I have all the authority in the cosmos, which is quite a statement. Therefore, our job, go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son, the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I've commanded you as these things, the weddings that you see and the people worship in God and believing in Jesus. and such will be with you always. And then he says this, to the very end of the age. So there was a time that was implemented just prior to Jesus'

his resurrection, and that's what he said. If you look at it, that's exactly what's happened. To the very end of the age. it's the end of the age. It's got me a little bit confused on to the end of the age to what? Because he's told them that he's paid for their sins. They can be, he'll take their sins away and he'll raise them from the dead. And there's going to be an age.

I don't know how long it's going to last, maybe to modern day. But I'm not quite sure in my life. head and surely I will be with you. He said just go out and preach the gospel, baptize people. I surely will be with you always to the very end of the age. Just what is he talking about there? That's a very good. It's the age without Jesus in person. He's been there for 33, 34 years. He is leaving going back into the somewhere out in the cosmos or everywhere at once. whatever your take is on that. But I just found that interesting,

that there is an end coming. From the time Jesus said that till now, there is an end of all this to come. Is that fair enough? Yes. No, it is. And actually, that's pretty powerful little statement there.

Yeah. It's exactly where we are in our text in Luke as well, because he's going to describe eventually we're going to get there, probably not today, but eventually we're going to get there in chapter 21. He's going to describe what the end of one age looks like, which then would tell me that's the beginning of something new. I mean, the temple's coming down. There's going to be a lot of major changes here.

That's right. Well, but you also. Some are still doubting it, and they rode with them up to here. But to this day, there are doubters in and among the premises. If you understand what I'm talking about. But I think also speaking of marriage, you know, we're sitting here celebrating this recent marriage

and saying how spiritual it was, you know, we left off in 2023, I guess, now that we're in 2024. Yep. With, you know, the Sadducees coming up there and using something that was intended to be beautiful, marriage, as a trap when things go eerily wrong. And you can't have a wedding without liquor.

Yeah. If you work at it. True. We did. I just saw it. I witnessed it. It happened. Well, what's interesting, though, is, you know, Jesus' first miracle was actually adding liquor to the wedding.

That is true. Nothing wrong with having wine at the wedding. There's nothing wrong with it. We just didn't have it. Liza and Dawson didn't want it. And then I looked at the tab of what it would have been with alcohol. And I said, hey, I'm. So, Jay, you'll appreciate this.

Well, I walked in, you know, I walked up to Zach. And I said, Zach, so how are you feeling today? You know, because I'm there an hour before the wedding. You're about to give away your oldest daughter to another man. And you're about to become a patriarch in your own family. And so I said, how are you feeling? He said, poor. Let me ask you so.

Yes, sir. Hey, how does it feel for things to move that rapidly? The last time I saw your children, they were just, I mean, I've seen them since. But it happened fast. It's sobering. It is a sobering reality. And now you're one of them outside of close of is Jay. behind Al, Willie, and Chip.

And their children being married and yours or is too. How fast did that seem to happen? Very fast. In my opinion is you become a patriarch when your children begin to start getting married and then having their own children because that's what's happened in our family. Dad, all your children now are their own patriarchs and matriarchs. for Phyllis because now we have our own married children and grandchildren. So what's interesting is you're still with us.

So you're still the patriarch. Mom's still our matriarch. But we're our patriarchs as well. You've lived long enough now to watch that happen. And you just saw it at Christmas. So for the audience's perspective, I know you've been listening to us right up until today, but we haven't filmed since Christmas and recorded.

So we all at Christmas together. Dad, you didn't even know. Did you know everybody in that house? No. No. I'm just looking, watching it, and it seemed to have happened along with what Jack just said. It just seemed so quickly that our children are marrying and goodbye family as far as, you know, childhood and being raised. How well did it turn out?

because a lot of a multitude of individuals have had a lot of static up to the point where they're going to get married, that age group. You'll see, you answered your own question. You know you're getting at the end of the age if you feel like we need name tags for everyone at the gather. I'm just saying. It's your own family Christmas. I didn't have an answer for Phil's question, but I like that answer. I mean, I'm looking at our children getting married. And the only thing I can think of is shockingly wonderful to watch.

But boy, what a... Well, to your point, Phil, we had at least five gatherings, family gatherings in the week of Christmas. Yeah. Because all the families are so big. Yep. And we had one huge one. Two days after Christmas on the 27th. with everybody and Phil,

don't feel bad. There were a few people there that I did not know. Well, I had to meet, because you're meeting new boyfriends, new girlfriends, new babies that have been born since the last time we were together, and so it becomes a thing.

Let's take our first break. But I did want to answer Phil's question, which, you know, specifically, I think it's kind of like what he said in Luke chapter 20. I thought you did that on purpose with this trap question about the marriage and the resurrection.

Because us as humans, it's hard for us to grasp phrases like that at the end of the age. That's right. But it was hard for the Sadducees to grasp, obviously because they didn't believe in the afterlife. They're like, well, what if a woman is married seven times? Yeah. Now, how's that going to work at the end of the age? it doesn't use that phrase, but it's the same concept. What happens next?

A lot of them are just downright scared of Jesus have not cattley. Well, true. So then when Jesus responds in 34 of Luke 20, which is where we left off, you know, he said the people this age marry and are given in marriage, but those who are considered worthy of taking part in that age, this is why I brought this up because it says, I'll be with you to the end of the age. So he uses a phrase here, those who are considered worthy of taking part in that age and in the resurrection from the dead will neither marry nor be given in marriage. So, I mean, to me, I think he said, I'll be with you to the end of the age, which is every point in time until he comes and we are then raised imperishable.

And the reason I'm saying that is because he says people will neither be given in marriage. They will neither marry nor be given in marriage. And they can no longer die for they are like the angels. They are God's children since they're children of the resurrection. And then he goes to this. But in the account of the bush, even Moses showed that the dead rise. For he calls the Lord, for he calls the Lord. for he calls the Lord the God of Abraham,

the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. He is not the God of the dead, but of the living. And I think this is my answer, this one phrase, for to him all our life. Yep. So that's what I was kind of rest. Wherever you are in this process, which now, if you're alive,

you should be, as those who have surrendered to Jesus, have the Holy Spirit, you are now, via the spirit Jesus on the earth you are you're out there the spirit is flowing

out for the world this was God's design so and he's with us via his spirit and being at the right hand there is a group coming that's beyond death they've conquered it

well right but all these people who have died before that's why he made this illustration about you're like well why is he bringing up Moses showing that the dead rise because he's calling the Lord the God of Abraham and the God

of Isaac and the God of Jacob. It's just like the Transfiguration. Who shows up? Moses and Elijah. So Jesus is with you. I mean, God is with you to the very end of the age, no matter whether you're dead, alive, or I guess that would be the two categories. Dead or alive. Yeah. Yeah. But that phrase, though, when you think about Christ living in you and being with you in that connection with the Holy Spirit, Romans 8, uses the phrase theology, refers to the spirit

as the spirit of Christ. And so there is that connection. even Christ is in his own challenge to his apostles in John 14 through John 70, which we talk about a lot on the podcast, is, I mean, he says it's better that I don't leave because if I don't leave, he's not going to come. I think this is directly tied to everything we've been talking about with the temple and us being the living stones that are built upon the cornerstone, which is also referenced here in Luke 20, that Jesus being the cornerstone of that temple,

that God does live in us. Christ does dwell in us. He is with us to the end of the age until the consummation, until the resurrection. And that's, I mean, that's essential because I think that without his presence, I mean, think about the whole, I was just telling we had Reeves that came in for the wedding, Reeves scenes with L.A. on, with L.O. original group. But we were talking about that this morning about, I mean, you look at the whole, like,

flow of scripture. I think the arc of scripture is all about God's presence. And it's God, the tabernacle, the garden, the temple, God wants to dwell with his people. And then when the coming of Christ, God, Emmanuel, God with us. We just celebrated Christmas last month. God with us. Then the coming of the spirit living in us. It is all about the connection with Christ. And I think that that line that Phil was talking about is the ultimate comfort that God is not going to abandon us. It's described as the Great Commission on the heading. I don't know whether Matthew did that or the people who put the book together did that.

The Great Commission, and then it kind of explains what it is. And it's quite the commission. I'll tell you that. Yeah, well, I like the phrase, all authority on heaven and earth has been given to me. I think where people have a problem with that is they look around on the earth and they say people who don't believe, they say, well, it sure doesn't look like it. Some doubt it then. Some doubt today, Jesus. Yeah, I know.

But I'm saying if you just look at what's happening on the earth, people say, well, I don't believe. I don't believe he has all authority on heaven and earth. And my point is that's where we come in. What I'm saying is... Spirit-filled people, we either can go to our rooms and hunker down or we can go out there and be Jesus on the earth because he is in charge. It just doesn't look like it because we're humble. We serve.

You know, the sermon on the Mount kind of gives you the qualities of these kingdom, like creatures, and it's not flashy. Happy New Year is sort of floating in my mind because a lot of newlyweds and anybody else that don't believe in Jesus. It could be rough. Happy New Year has taken on new meaning for a son of God here.

I'm looking at this. I'm thinking, boy, I mean. I think there's like something even like the, that's deeper than our belief that we're tapping into, which is, you mentioned it when you asked the question, how long did that take to basically watch your daughter be born? And then now you're, you're marrying her. You told me a while back,

I jumped in your truck last time I was in town. I don't know if you remember saying this or not. He said, you said, that was the quickest 78 years I've ever lived. And we got to chuck a lot of it, but it was, I think this idea that it does move quick. And when you're in like these milestone moments in your life, like your daughter's getting married or whatever, or your mother passes or, you know,

those are those moments where you kind of reflect on that. And you're like, man, gosh, that went by so fast. And when you were talking about that, I was thinking about Ecclesiastes 311, because you said it's, you said the word beautiful. It's a beautiful thing to watch. And this is what the writer of Ecclesiastic says, that he has made everything beautiful in its time. So it's this reference to the temporality of our life here.

Also, he has put eternity into man's heart yet so that he cannot find out what God has done from the beginning to the end. And I think that when we have those questions in our life, like, man, how fast was that? And you're sitting there contemplating this. It's what the Sadducees didn't really want to address with the resurrection, but it's like, there is this longing. I don't know what you do with that, and it's beyond a belief system. You know what I mean? I grew up in a church.

It's like, you got to believe the right way. Here's the belief system. If you get this right, then you're right. But, man, that really doesn't speak to the core of who I am. The core of who I am, there is this thing in my heart, and I don't know what to do with it. There is a longing. And I think it's what the writer says here. It's that God put eternity in.

my heart. I'm longing for something more than this world can give me. There's more, and I have this thing that's just dominated my entire existence. It's about hope, and I think that's the people who aren't believers. It's not that they, it's not that they don't cognitively understand it. That's not the core of it. It's the difference between a believer in Christ and a non-believer is that a believer in Christ has confronted the reality that there is this massive thing in me that I don't have an answer for. It's a longing for eternity. It's what it is.

But it's a confrontation with that and then a realization of that in Jesus. But you mentioned Zach, the presence of God. And that's so poignant because God has a constant presence because he's always in the present. when when Jesus refers to Moses and him being the God of the I am, the reason all are alive in him is because he's always present. There's no past, present and future for God. He's always present. He's outside of time.

So when you're looking at the course of time and you're seeing us with a past present and then looking to a future, from God's perspective, you're just always there. He sees the whole picture and he understands that. So therefore, he's always there. I mean, that's why he said, I am. But, yeah, before Abraham was, and then speaking of the past tense, I am. That's my point. I think we're missing it on the fact, though, of it's not understanding true power, the true kingdom and truth. You know, that conversation that Jesus had with Pilate was really, that was, it was just such a contrast of those three things.

what they are. Because people say, well, it doesn't look like Jesus is Lord of heaven and earth and has authority over heaven and earth

because why is there so much evil? Why is there, why do bad things happen? And I, what I'm getting at is that it's,

that's us as the kingdom people. He's not sending in the tanks and the weapons. And you remember when Paul said the weapons we fight with are not of the world? That's why, that's why they're not

getting it and that's why people are not getting it today and that's why is he right before we get to the great commission testimony this story which we're discussing has been widely circulated among the jews to this very day this thing is wasn't hidden i mean the the what they get out of this when somebody comes back from the dead that's why it took off I lean that way. Yeah, they call that a game changer. But I love what you said there, Jase. The kingdom, power, and truth.

And you cannot separate those three things. I mean, but the power is truth. I mean, that's the power of God. You know, it's reality. I mean, it is what drives. And so the conversation you have with pilot, I don't think it's of any coincidence that that's the one thing that pilot was like,

Truth. Because he was just making it up. But if you're in power, you just make up your own truth. And you say, if you don't submit to that, I'll kill you. Yeah, I mean, so it's thinking about like that he, at the time, he had the power. The Roman Empire was the greatest power on earth. And if you think that's the goal, that that's the kingdom that we're looking for. And that's how it's going to come through that kind of power, I think Jesus' message is that

you're thinking too small. Like, it's way bigger than anything that we could construct here on planet Earth. No, that's why I find it fascinating that the first letter written, after, you know, the acts of the spirit-filled people, as Jesus is exalted, is to the Romans. Because if you, you know, we just take that for granted. To them, Paul writing those famous verses like, you know, I'm not ashamed of the gospel because it is the power of God for the salvation.

and he's saying, you know, whoever confesses with their mouth, Jesus is Lord. What's that in contrast to? They say Caesar is Lord. And believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead. You know, you'll be say, I mean, I'm sure those Romans were reading that like, somebody needs to kill him. This is not only sacrilegious, but this is some kind of mutiny for true power. Yep.

But in essence, when you look at really what Jesus did, and when you talk about the enemies he defeated, he took it above what any ordinary kingdom could do. When you start defeating death itself and decay, things that we don't look at as even possible to defeat. If you can defeat death and decay, your kingdom is so much. much more above anything that we're even trying to contemplate. That's why it doesn't look like Jesus has authority on the earth because people are looking at death and decay and say, well, why is he doing it? Well, he's defeated that. Where are the swords? Where are the swords and the and the wholesale slaughtered? Overcoming all day's about. Well, that's what everybody's looking for. And so then we have this whole theology about when Jesus,

that I don't ascribe to, but that when Jesus comes back, then all of a sudden we're going to have a war, you know, a physical war, all these powers. It just seems, yeah, it just seems too small.

It's like, you're talking about, I love what you said about decay, because the second law of thermodynamics, which is a, I mean, this is a fundamental fact of science, is that things over time decay.

I mean, that is one of the foundations of, like, physical science. And you have a God who created that law and instituted that law. It can operate outside that law, can defeat that law, can whatever he wants to do. Like to take that God and then let's put him in a, let's put him in an eschatology that says, no, we're going to keep you in the physical realm.

And that's where you, I mean, he's bigger. It's bigger. I think he's way bigger. And the power's bigger. Because the power is, I mean, it's great if he comes in and, that's awesome that he could set up, come here and bring 10,000 angels and, you know, conquer the Roman Empire and set up the temple and set up the kingdom. And that's awesome.

But how much more awesome is that even if you kill the guy, he just resurrected from the dead and continues on. I mean, that's even, that's a bigger picture. And it's underestimating us being the temple of God on earth. That we're, while all this chaos is going on in wars and evil and that's, that's when we're moving in. The peacemakers, the pure and heart, the humble, the persecuted. I mean, he laid out in Luke chapter 6 what these qualities were going to look like.

And it's really true victory because you're reliance on him. But it just doesn't seem like it if you're going to have this worldly view of what power is on the earth. So, I mean, that's my take. Well, you think about, though, Jay, it's just even historical. historically, which is interesting because Jesus is going to paint a picture when we get to chapter 21 of this idea of what's going to happen to Jerusalem because this is the end of this era. But, you know, Pilate is speaking from this position of power like, what do you, what are you talking to me about truth is whatever I say it is because I'm in charge of this moment. That's what

he was thinking. Yeah. But think about it. At the end of this, when he gets to 70 AD, Nero commit suicide. He at that time was the emperor, and he was crazy. He was a bed bug. And he commits suicide. Well, then there were four different emperors in secession before we even get to 80, 70. That all happened quick. The whole Roman Empire is in complete chaos.

Yeah, it's unraveling. It was just unraveling that happened when Jerusalem was destroyed. So even 30 years ahead, Jesus is trying to paint a picture of something so much bigger. But in that moment, Pilate could have. only see who was in charge today. Which is the difference is where Jay started with this when he talked about it being not inward, but an outward flow. If you think about what these earthly power structures have in common is, it's all about the consolidation of power. It's grab it, bring it in, bring it into the scope of our kingdom. And it's all about a consolidation of an inward

pool. And what Jesus, the kingdom that Jesus brings is not that kind of kingdom. It's a that spills out. And so you go to the woman at the well. That was the whole point at the woman at the well. He says, you drink the water that I gave you. It actually becomes a, you don't have to come to a place to draw water to drink. If you drink this water, you'll never thirst again. It will become in you a spring welling up to a eternal life.

It's a fountain. It's just flowing out of you. I think that is a key characteristic that's different from earthly kingdoms. Earthly kingdoms pull inward. God's kingdom just spews outward. And that's what happens in the church. And that's why the, you know what's wrong?

You know why the Dead Sea is dead? And it was worth me going to Israel just to jump in the Dead Sea. And be careful because when you jump, you're going to bounce. You know, because you can't sink in the Dead Sea. But you know why it's the Dead Sea? You know what the problem is? Salt. Water only flows in.

Doesn't flow out. Oh, yeah. I mean, that's just too crazy that there happens to be right in the middle of this. Go read your Bible. And when he said in John 7, which I want to get to in our next section, the streams of living water would flow from within you. Yeah, that's good. Well, where's that going to flow?

It's going to flow out. Because if it's all coming in, you're back to selfish ambition. So I think it's a perfect time. I want to read this next text because this will lead us since you set it up, Jay's, because it's no accident that after what we just talked about, and this comes out of what he said when he was talking to the Sadducees about he's not the God of the dead, but of the living, for to him all who are alive, the next thing Jesus is going to say is going to be a powerful illustration of just what that looks like, because he's going to go back.

Now, he's talking about who he is, but he's going to go back to David. But again, he's mentioned in names that all these people are realizing. They know who he's talking about. So here's what he says next. And this is going to take us into this next section. In verse 41 of Luke 20, Jesus said to them, how is it that they say the Christ or the Messiah is the son of David? Because David himself declares in the book of Psalms.

And then he's going to quote Psalm 110, 1. The Lord said to my Lord, sit at my right hand until I make your enemies of footstool for your feet. Then he's going to ask him the question, David calls him Lord. How then can he be his son? So we've been talking about this idea of time and outside of time and inside of time. And then he basically puts it back on them and says, how is it that David is referring to me? Because that's what he's talking about is himself. When I'm here, you know, 15 hundred years later, who is he talking about? You talk about a stumper.

If you're not understanding the idea of the true Messiah and what he was purposed to do, that's what he's asking the question. They don't really have an answer for him, but that's the question that he proposes. And you can see the fruit come Sunday morning. I baptize a guy. I asked him where he's from. And he named where he was from Canada. he came to another great power, United States of America.

But I didn't point him to either. I pointed him to Jesus, dying on the cross, being buried and raised from the dead. And the Canadian, you know what he did, Al? He cried. And when we went to the baptismal pool, he was cried. He was of a different empire altogether. But it's greater than empires. It crosses, cross sections, everything, no matter where you're from.

China, Russia, Canada, whatever. But I saw it in action just unfolding right before me. Sunday morning. I baptized him. And so he left here very, very, very humble and thankful that he had found the way out of exactly what we're talking about. Make disciples. I was just, well, we made one, two of them.

Actually, there was a woman and him. That's good. It was a cool thing to watch it, you know, because I said, you know what? This is greater than earthly empires, far greater. Can I read this? Yeah. First Chronicle 17, because, you know, I read this. I think this is really powerful of what people, you know,

or what we call the Davidic covenant, this promise that he's referring to. And then he quotes, So in First Chronicle 17, and I'll just read the first, you can read the whole chapter, you know, in your own time, but just to kind of go in with why I think it's here in Luke right after this conversation about marriage and the resurrection and the end of the age and that kind of thing. In verse one, it says, after David was settled in his palace, he said to Nathan the prophet, here I am. living in a palace of cedar while the ark of the covenant of the lord is under a tent and so nathan interrupts him and says well whatever you have in mind do it for god is with you and so before you you go on to that but david even recognized here's here's the lord in this tent we're going out there

and having this interaction with the lord he's sitting there living in a palace which i guess a house built by cedar trees was a palace back then well that night the word of god came to Nathan and he goes through this deal about him the lord overcoming his enemies but when he gets to the second part of verse 10 this is what I want to read it says I will also subdue all your enemies I declare to you that the Lord will build a house for you when your days are over and you go to be with your fathers. I will raise up your offspring to succeed you, one of your own sons, and I will establish his kingdom.

He is the one who will build a house for me, and I will establish his throne forever. I will be his father, and he will be my son. I will never take my love away from him as I took it away from your predecessor. I will set him over my house and my kingdom forever. His throne will be established forever. And then I told him to go tell that.

So when you look at, you know, Jesus referring to going back to David, on someone who even how David became king to get back to this idea, it's not what the world views as far as power. You remember he was just a young sheep herder. And then all of a sudden he's thrust into this moment where one of the most famous stories in the Bible is him going down and going to fight this giant. He gets the five rocks. You know, we tell that story, I think, so much because we deep down like that idea that we could crush people,

even while they got swords and even tanks and all. We could just, you know, get a rock and a slingshot. But I think it's a picture of how God's kingdom was going to be different, how it was going to be different, how it was going to use the humble and the weak looking and the serving through his power, this is going to be a different kind of kingdom. But you notice how many times he's saying it's forever. It has eternity in its hand. I mean, I love that picture.

Because you read this and you think, okay, well, all of a sudden he's bringing up. How is it that they say the Christ is the son of David, which doesn't seem like that big a deal until you've found. fast forward and realize when you have the Holy Spirit of God, it looks like, this world looks like a big giant Galif. And here you are, you know, down and you're not very powerful. You're the most least likely candidate to be powerful or truthful or do anything significant with your life. And here you are full of the spirit doing things that the world thinks are weak, loving and addressing. Things have not changed.

Yeah, and then all of a sudden, you're actually reigning on the earth through the power of God. It just is camouflaged because it's not this brute physical attack and takeover in these worldly kingdom eyes. Which even Solomon was you're reading at the Second Chronicles. I was thinking about another passage, one in First King's 6, where Solomon did build the temple that how, the Ark of the Covenant eventually. David never built it. Solomon built it. And he was instructed by the Lord because he said, built a house that I can, so I can dwell with my people. A couple chapters later, Solomon says basically that he has built this house so that God could, this is in 1st Kings 8. Solomon said, the Lord has said that he would dwell in a dark cloud.

I have indeed built a magnificent temple for you, a place for you to dwell forever. Now you think about what you were talking about, but you get so hung up on that earthly, just think about it. How big is a God that can only dwell, that would just, that would dwell in a temple made by man's hands? And I love the fact that even Solomon before Jesus ever unfolded the full picture of what we're talking about here, Solomon saw it. He, on some level, he questioned. how that was even possible, because in verse 25, he says, or verse 27, he says,

but will God really dwell on earth? The heavens, even the highest heavens, cannot contain you. How much less this temple that I built. And I love that because it's like he's recognizing in that moment how small it is to think that God's going to simply be in these kingdoms that we construct. And so when you get to this text that we're talking about here in Luke, they're questioning the validity of Jesus because they're thinking so earthly that they don't understand all of the Old Testament prophecies, all of the Messianic Psalms. They don't understand the context of them because they're thinking too small. And I would argue that the majority of the New Testament is actually explaining the Old Testament.

I mean, Paul and Romans basically says, I'm going to, interpret the Old Testament prophets for you. And he brings the revelation to the Gentiles by bringing the full light, the prophet Isaiah, Daniel, all these Old Testament prophets, or Matthew, for example, how does Matthew begin his entire gospel? With a genealogy of what? Of how Jesus is the son of David. He goes through the entire genealogy to show that Jesus came from the line of David. And the point is, And he references Isaiah 7 as well in Matthew chapter 1 about the virgin birth, because what he's doing there, he said all those Old Testament prophecies, this is the guy they were talking about. They were all pointing to the person of Jesus. That's why I don't think this is so pivotal what the Sagittes are attacking here.

I mean, they're attacking the core of who Christ is and the claims of the Old Testament. But again, this is what makes it the great I am, because. I believe the reason why Solomon was the one who built the temple, and then the secession that went on from the line of David went through those kings, is because when God told David, he was going to have something greater come from him. He was leaping all the way to Jesus because in him, he is the temple. He is the priest. That's why if you read later in Psalm 110, then he brings up Melchazadec, who the Hebrew writer, to your point, Zach, explains exactly why Melchazadez is in the Bible, because he's out of the line of secession.

He's, God picked him. Jason made the point. He picked this young shepherd boy to be his king, and from him would come the eternal king, another shepherd that would come along when the time was right in the days of the Romans. So a priest who is not in the order of the tribe of Levi, which, which, you know, Bill Smith used to make this point. I took his advanced leadership class on Hebrews, and I thought this is one of the greatest points he made in the whole thing,

was just how do we trace legitimate priesthood now? Yeah, you can't. You can't because of why. Well, the temple burned in 80-70. There's no, how do we trace these? So it almost like you see how this history unfolded, and man, it's like there had to be a reestablishment of a new high priest. And so Jesus takes on the role of,

of not just priest. Yes, he is high priest, but he's also high prophet and he's also high king. Well, you're right. Priest prophet king. I remember being in that class and sleeping with my eyes open for most of it.

I thought you were away. Because you bring up Melchazadec and the Levitical priesthood and you're right, I was going to bring this up in Psalm 110 where he brought up that he would come in the order of Melchazade. A lot of people listening like, well, who is that? Well, I woke up in that class and I'm talking about woke up literally, figuratively and spiritually.

When he read Hebrews 7 where it said that Jesus became our priest, our high priest, not on the basis of a regulation as to his ancestry, because he had just said in verse 15 of Hebrew 7, another one like Melchazadec will appear. and he will be our priest not on the basis of regulation as to his ancestry, but on the basis of the power of an indestructible life. Yep. And all of a sudden, it's like all this stuff in the Old Testament

and talking about David and going back in the order of Melchazadec. And that's very hard for Americans who don't know, especially Jewish history, which I'm in that camp. and find it difficult to listen to for long periods of time. But all of a sudden, when you start realizing that God worked this out through history, and now he became our priest, not on some kind of regulation or whatever you wanted to come up with his ancestry, but on the fact that he's indestructible. I mean, I get the reason he was like Melchazadec,

and maybe we can get in that, you know, on our part two of this. I just simply wanted to say when I read that in my simple mind, when I read that in First Chronicles 17, and I think it is fascinating that it's a prophecy and Jesus fulfilled it and the kingdom is here and we're supposed to be doing kingdom business here. That's why we're here. But I found it fascinating that that whole conversation and that prayer came from this idea that David was sitting there thinking, this doesn't seem right, that I'm in a palace. and the Lord's in a tent.

What is wrong with this picture? And then when you fast forward to our lives later and you look at the New Testament where Paul says he brings this whole idea about if our tent is destroyed and all these kind of things and remember that God's going to send His Holy Spirit to us and that's coming here from Luke's passage

and all the Gospels it's going to that. where here we are, we, I mean, especially our crew, when people see us and you say, boy, here's the kingdom of God. Not only are we, you know, have these tents as bodies, but our tents are downright appalling. You know what I'm saying? Before you end us, I just want to say one thing, because I, just to reiterate this, if you didn't catch this, you say, why are they talking about Mokesedek and why are they in Hebrew

seven? it's because that when the Sadducees quote Psalms 110, which in that Psalm directly after what they quote, is this stuff about Mychizedek. So it all ties together, which to the point, my point earlier, I do believe the Old Testament, the New Testament, it brings to light all of this. Which is the point of the book of Hebrews.

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