Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 816 | Phil Shrugs Off Team-Building Exercises & Jase’s Weird Solution for Sinus Problems

Episode Date: January 11, 2024

Phil decides to issue a fiery mini-sermon in lieu of team-building exercises, and Jase’s harebrained idea puts a teen at risk in the woods. The Robertsons don’t take too well to being called “dysfunctional,” and Jase finds and tries a weird way to combat sinus issues. The guys use various biblical sources to answer the question of how we know Jesus truly is who he says he is.  In this episode: Luke 24, verses 36-49; Acts 2, verses 36-39; Psalm 149, verses 6-9; John 2, verses 18-22; 1 Kings 8, verse 12 — Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? So, Zach, you were supposed to be here because I'd heard through the grapevine. You were doing some team building exercises with your Tread Lively team. But now you're not here because I'm seeing you through computer land. Yeah. Yeah, sickness. I thought maybe you just thought the team is good to go.

No, viruses have swept through the land and everybody's sick, so we canceled the team building. So, yeah. I think we need some team building exercises with me and Jason Dad. What could we do? Maybe a ropes course, Chase, or what do you think? What can we do to those on a little duck show that we did years ago? That's where that was Dr. Langhofe, remember he was the. Oh, that's right.

He was going to. You did. I forget. We've had Trent on, and I never. I never remember that he was on the episode, yeah. That was where his coming out party came out. That's when Dad started to call him Cliffhanger. He was going to try to highlight the function in the Robertson functional family.

I say that because Missy one time she did an interview, you know, like we all have. Yeah. And the guy interviewing her asked her, you know, how much courage is. it took to show a dysfunctional family on TV. And boy, you know, my wife's got a backbone. And she did her patented. She just put us right out there with the Kardashians. She did her patented two-word answer that I knew what that meant because I've had her do that to me multiple times.

She went, excuse me? Come again? Wow. So the guy missed. Excuse me followed by Iro. That's, that's missing. But I think she said you obviously haven't watched the show.

She said that in a nice story. I don't, I don't forget what she said, but she's brought that up a couple times. But Trent, you know, he was like the, you know,

the guy saying you can do it. And let's climb the motivational guy. Yeah. I forgot what that episode was about. I remember. No, I'd forget about that. So,

I mean, if y'all want me to put together a retreat, we can all go, going like a retreat. Well, here's what you do. Put together the retreat. I'll be with you in spirit and let me know what we need to work on. What about Phil?

So you're going to show up for the retreat? All of what we've said about the kingdoms. Yeah. Why are you troubled and why do doubts rise in your mind? They were startled and frightened. They looked up and thought, good grief. It's a ghost. It's a ghost

Jesus said A ghost Why are you troubled And why do doubts rise in your minds What we've been talking about for months Look at my hands and my feet It's eye myself Touch me and see

A ghost does not have flesh and bones You see I have I mean take a good look at me Of what we've been talking about Ever since I was 30 years old I've shown you this When he had said this He showed him his hands and feet

while they still did not believe it because of joy and amazement. He said, do you get anything here to eat? Whoa, I'm hungry. I need some little grub. That's not, it feels out living a little bit as it's all along. He said, he wants to get him something to eat. They gave him a piece of royal fish. He took it and he ate it in their preference.

Why would he do that? Because God has died and been buried. and raised from the dead. Now watch, but the point of all we've been saying, the kingdom has come, finally. This is right at the door of it. Not quite there yet. Peter's got to get up and reinforce what I'm saying.

This is what I told you while I was still with you. Everything. Now, just think about something. We've been talking for months about all these things. Well, let's see if we're on the right track. Everything must be fulfilled. Everything. I've told you.

All these things when the woman came up and did this and the woman at the well and one after another, they ran into this one and that one and another. Calm down. This is what I told you while I was still with you. That's a three-year jaunt to get these people, the human race, to say, could night well god to believe that he died was buried and raised from the dead i mean he's he's here forever he's the king he's the temple we will be part of it everything must be fulfilled that's a lot if you look at the old testament we went over verse after verse after verse after verse after verse

y'all were quoting the old testament rightly so Everything must be fulfilled. Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the law of Moses, the prophets, and the Psalms. Well, what do you know? You mean, he took time, God did, to bring up every single point about the coming kingdom. Right in the middle of it, the coming of the kingdom. The kingdom is near. All the prophets are saying it are there now.

They've appointed to it. It's here. Then he opened their minds. What we've been doing is trying to open their minds like he was. He told them this is what's written. Here's what you better grab a hold of. The Christ will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day. He's back just on the gospel.

He's going to save the world through the blood I said. Y'all can't see that. That's what this thing is. Why are you shocked that I'm standing here? I'm giving you eternal life and showing you that I'm an eternal being. I'm the one that you've got to have. I've been telling you all that. And repentance and forgiveness, the things we do, of sins will be preached in the name to all nations.

Well, why in the world would you do that if the king wasn't there to dictate policy? I mean, it's nuts to say. the kingdom is not here and it's going to be here in 1,000 years. No, he's telling you, it's here right now and you're talking to the king. For giving us the sins it would be preached in the name of all nations, beginning in Jerusalem, correct. You are witnesses of all these things. Y'all saw this thing fulfilled. The kingdom is near.

How many times we've got to tell you? You ain't waiting no thousand years for getting me here. You're witnesses of these things. I'm going to send you what my father has promised. He's talking about the spirit, the spirit available to every human being. But stay in the city until you've been clothed with power on high, not quite there yet. Here comes Peter. He preaches the gospel, and the question was, what do we do?

What you do is you repent and be baptized because don't leave Jerusalem. You've got to wait right there for the gift, the Holy Spirit, right above there, appeared here to him over a period of 40-day and spoke about the kingdom. Well, yeah, it reminded him of what he just, Matthew said, Mark said, Luke said, John said, he's reinforcing it right out of his lips. What do we do? Well, let's see. Oh, no, you mean we got all this wrong.

That's Acts 2, 36. Let all interest be assured of this, the one that's who pulled this whole thing off. God has made this Jesus whom you crucified both Lord and Christ. He's the way out. When the people heard it, they were cut to the heart and they said, what in the world shall we do? We are idiots. We just thought we would get rid of the most powerful being that's ever been on planet Earth.

We got it wrong. So what do we do now? you repent and you be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus so that your sins will be forgiven and you'll receive what we've been all waiting for and I'm fixing to give you I told you over there

you're going to receive the gift of the Holy Spirit the promise is there for you your children for all who are far off that's us for all whom the Lord our God will call well we needed there's a biscuit

that was spicy and a microphone Oh, that was withering. I mean, and true. I'm just saying, it was all scripture. I can't disagree. I have to put all this together on what we've been discussing because a lot of people say, oh, I'm getting bored now because they're talking about the kingdom. You know, they're being bricks on the side of the road.

They missed the kingdom. No, they didn't know what he was talking about. You can cover all that over in the Corinthian letters and all. Yep. But it is amazing that he pulled off of something that, what would I say, that big, so powerful for the human race. Well, you'd have to be. He doesn't miss a thing. Yeah, you'd have to be that big.

No, that's good, Dad. Did you do that in your class yesterday? Do you something similar? What I did was, and I'll show you. Dangerous question now. I just assumed that's it. That's a good question. If you will look care.

at 2nd Corinthians 4. Just check this out before we begin our lesson. Therefore, since through God's mercy, we have this ministry. He's suffered on the cross that he tried to tell people, look, I'm your way out. You're crucify me. I know you are. That's what's going to get you all saved.

Don't lose heart. Rather, we've renounced secret and shameful ways. We don't use deception nor we distort the word of God. You know, the king is not him here. and we're going to have a king 1,000 years. On the contrary, by setting forth the truth plainly, we commend ourselves to every man's conscience in the side of God. Now watch.

And even if our gospel is veiled, the death, burial, resurrection, and that story and that event and that reality of what happened, it's veiled to those who are perishing. We've got a lot of people that don't perish over this thing. The God of this age, that's Satan, has blinded the minds of unbelievers so they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, which I preached yesterday morning, and I said, how many of you now want to be baptized?

We asked them before I preached to them, said, how many? One raised their hand. When I got finished about Jesus and his dying for the sins of the world, the kingdom of God, and we be in the temple of the stones on top of stones, when they got that, two more said then three well it was four that I baptized but going in one of them said he didn't get it yeah so my task and my only task is to preach the gospel yeah that's where I fit in all this I met one one of the gentleman was from Michigan and he had driven all the way down to participate there which was really cool I'd say dad was on a row kicking off this

little podcast and it's exactly what we've been talking about talking about. I even touched on a little bit of my sermon yesterday from the Davidic covenant. One guy walked up to me last week and said, I want to be baptized in nature. I said, you're getting a nature confused with Jesus and his death, burial of resurrection for you. I said, think about that. I said, there's no nature to this. I said, there's a person who died for you. Well, you know, I mean, he's just looking at me, you know, well, that ended. Well, a week goes by and I go back up there and I look back in the back and I see him sitting there. And he told the whole class, he said, you know, I was telling him he wanted to be baptized in nature,

but he said I need to be baptized in the Jesus. For my sins to be removed and I'll get eternal life. No need for me to go to the river because I thought I had to go to the river because that's natural. He said, but now I understand, why don't we just do this in a warm water? No, that's pretty good, Dad. You're right. The person of Jesus is who you want to be connected to. I mean, he is nature in the sense that he made it of.

He made everything. I'm saying, you want nature. Boy, you got nature. Yeah, his nature is what we want. Let's take our first break. Well, that was a rock of start to the podcast. I brought you a lot of gifts today, Dad. I thought that's what excited you.

but it may have been that spicy chicken biscuit. I take that as a no on the team building exercise. I think we got what we need. I think I just built. I just built my team. Yeah, there was about two minutes in to Phil's presentation that I just heard the sound of an explosion in my mind. And I said, I think the team building idea. I think we got the team right here.

I think we're going to focus on the keynote. So, Dad, Lisa brought you. So I guess everybody's trying to fat and add up a little bit these days. Duck fat carmels. But it's in a shotgun shell. In a shotgun shell looking box. Are they the shape of shotgun shells? Well, I don't know, Jays.

Let's reveal this. Surely they wouldn't. Not necessarily doing an ad for this product. I don't know what they're called that. I have tried them. No, there's just 12 carmels in here. I will say this. They are the richest, most delicious carmels I've ever tried.

So if you like carmels, you'll love that. It's made out of duck fat. And then this is a pumpkin nut bread made by your granddaughter. My granddaughter, call me up personally. You ordered it. Would you like one of those little cakes, the little, what do you call them? Pumpkin nut cakes. I said, tell her she's on the right track.

That's the kind of the granddaughters you need to have. So I just thought it was interesting. And then I also brought you a sign that was sent here from Dean Conrad from Cole, Michigan. You think it's cold and cold Michigan Day? I guarantee you. It better be. And he made you a sign because he's a woodworker that says no, no. I think you should get the sign.

Matt has got a picture of it. No cell phone. Let the picture on the. No cell phone, but telephone. Remember you did that little bit on the podcast. So he made you one of those. So that was, thank you. Thank you, Dean, for thinking of that.

Well, he sent several signs. He sent one of the guys. Ord, it's like, I mean, it was quite the production. And I thought, here's a guy with a lot of time. He said it's all hand routered. Routed. Yeah, I guess so. No high tech with his machine, he said.

So there you go, Dan. Well, I've been sick three or four days. And so you are sick. I've been sick. I've just been kind of just having to, you know, fly above the radar because I can't stop. I had to preach yesterday. So, yeah, I've been, I've had a sore throat. And I apologize in advance.

I did something you should never do. I looked up on the Internet what you should eat if you have a severe sinus infection. Yep. And so after I gathered the intel, which I basically came up with three things from the Internet, seafood, citrus fruits, and hot peppers. So what is it? And it said, you know, although painful. I was been saying the hot peppers

I went and bought me some shrimp I don't have some shrimp some crab legs I bought every citrus fruit imaginable and I bought the hottest salsa on earth and the haban era chips yeah and so I blacken the shrimp I put lemons all over them

I had me a little salad there with all kind of citrusy free. You're batching it, right? Mrs. Go. Mrs. Visiting the grandkids. That's why I was on my phone while ago

because she sent me a good morning from my granddaughter. So I like, this is the first time I've ever done this. I took a picture on the podcast because she doesn't realize, obviously, that I'm doing the podcast. So I was like, good morning.

So then she just sent back a checkmark said, noted. So then I, what was the other ingredient? Oh, and I had the salsa. Yeah. Started off with the salsa. So I ate this meal and it was fantastic. But I have coughed and gagged for the last 15 or 20 hours after eating this meal.

So I actually think it was. It may be like getting it out. I think that was the idea. If I would have realized the bomb I had created for that, I probably would have just ate a sampling. Because I hadn't eaten anything all day because I didn't have much of an appetite. But I was like, hey, you want some seafood and some hot sauce and some citrus fruits? So apparently whatever you were visiting on in computer land, the old adage of, you know, some bland chicken noodle soup, that's out the window. It's just like.

I think I'll get back on the chicken. Oh, that's what I was on. That's what I typically do. So I'll get back on that today. But I thought that was fun. It has created a, you know, I heard you out outside. I was like, Jay, you're trying to get those. Pipes cleared out there.

One lab, I've been unclogging pipes for hours. So anyway, if I'm coughing and all, that's the issue. I did. You know, I haven't duck hunted in four days because I've been sick. And I haven't been missing a whole lot. Yeah, there ain't been much happening, hasn't been. You have, you did not miss much. There's not a lot of FOMO going on these days.

So I had a funny story happened yesterday because when you're not duck hunting, you know, you want to contribute somehow. I got a buddy in the Midwest who has a hot hole, and I usually go up there every year. But a lot of things have happened this year. It didn't work out. But he hadn't been having a good year either. Yep. But for a different reason.

We don't have much water. And it's kind of the Dead Sea syndrome here. It's the driest, would you agree it's been the driest winter in Louisiana? Dries year I've ever spent on planet. Earth. Yeah, my lifetime. That's a big statement. So we thought it was a good thing at first because we had, we pumped our water up,

but it's a bit stagnant. And it's kind of the, that's why I brought up the Dead Sea, speaking of Phil's sermon, you know, you got to have that moving water, fresh living water. So I was trying to contribute with my buddy because his problem is he's got like stale ducks. he's got ducks but when he pulls up to his duck hole they all get up and leave well then they don't come back until after legal shooting hours yep and so numbers wise he's been about where we are so yesterday he was going and he was like i don't know why i'm going he said there's there's so many ducks out here in this one hole he said but we ride out there they all get up if they go at daylight they all get up and they don't come back i mean it's just like there's no way to win so he's going about 12 or one o'clock and i said well why don't you do this i said because i've noticed that when a deer like walks through ducks when i'm scouting they don't get up but if i jump up a deer and it runs through the duck they all get up because they're like oh oh i said but i've noticed then

they'll come back sooner rather than later because they realized it was just the deer they were startled they were startled but it was a deer it was nothing it was nothing that terrorized them to the point of don't ever come back here. Because I said, how have you been going to your ducco? He said, well, we ride up in a buggy. I was like, well, to them, that's like a nuclear bomb going off. They see a bunch of people showing up in a mechanical vehicle. And they've been around a while.

They're not coming back there ever. You've disturbed them to a point. I said, so why don't you, he had his nephew with him, who's, you know, 18, 20 years old. I said, why don't you get him to act like a deer? You sit over there. He camoes up all the way, goes out there, the ducks get up, then you hurriedly go in there with the buggy.

He said, you know what? He said, you know what? I'm going to try that. I said, well, now we're talking. It's when you sit around for four days. You come up with schemes like this. So look, he sends me a video. You know, I forget about that conversation.

and move on to my hacking and gagging. So 20 minutes later, he sends me a video. He took my idea a step further, which then it terrified me because here's his nephew. He had some horns that he had gotten from somewhere. Oh, boy. He's going down a levee. You can hear the notes. Dressed like a deer.

He's dressed like a deer. And I thought, oh, no. Surely I hope a high-powered raffles not fixed to go off because what if I've done, I've had an idea that could cost this kid his life. If you do something like that, Louisiana, you won't live long. No. But this is private property and it's right behind his camp and I thought, well, so he runs out there, all the ducks get up.

I'm like, this is, now this is going to work. I mean, this is actually dangerous, but it's genius. And most of the genius ideas in life, there is an element of danger involved. Oh, man. So that was the tip. That's what happened. And the question is. So that was today?

No, that was yesterday. So the question is, did it work? Because every 10 minutes, I was like, y'all got them yet? Y'all got them? Yeah. So did it work? I'd have to say no. I mean, they killed 16, but hundreds got up.

And I'm thinking, well, if you hadn't had done that, you probably would have killed less than that. Yeah. So it may have helped. They did kill 16. It was for them. So they could have killed 24. They didn't kill their limp because hundreds got up and they shot 16. But I said, well, if you hadn't have done that, it would have probably been six.

But I don't know. What do you think? Do you think that's a good theory? I think it was worth to try. Yeah. Well, he did too. And I'll forever have that video of this young man looking like an idiot. Well, Bernie's the guy I converted 35 years ago or so.

and he's a good faithful servant to Jesus. And we've barely been on the podcast. And today he wanted me just to come down there, he said, and just sit in the blind and we'll drink coffee. I said, well, did you see any yesterday there? He said, no. He said, so I'm just down there drinking a cup of coffee. So he's going to give me a report.

Oh, so he went this morning. He went. He went. He went to the dog. He sat and he watched. I said, we tried it, but not much. So we don't know what we've seen. Have you heard any gunshots?

No gunshots. So the ducks have not migrated down here. But they're coming. One of the guys that was from way up north, he told me that the ducks, they have a lot. They've moved in there. But he's far north from us. Maybe the guy from Michigan. The way of this weather's been working straight up above us going on fronts that come out of the...

Canada. Canada, the Canadian. If you get in ducks from there, they're going. But even the Canadian said, we don't see many ducks this year. Everything written about Jesus, he said, I've had to fulfill that. I've had to fulfill everything that was written. You just think about the moves God made in the last several thousand years, and Jesus said, I'm at the center of that to get me here.

That's what it took to get me here. So he went back to the Old Testament, and all these events that happened, he said, all those things were getting ready for the coming kingdom, and I'll be the temple of God. Yeah. I think this study in Luke has affected my theology, if I have theology as such a simple. That's my point.

It's affected me more about understanding the temple. Yeah, Jay's and I talked about this. We were talking about yesterday. I was like, I feel like now we need to go back and redo the book of John. Well, we will because at some point. Are you there, Jay? I think our John study would be even better now than with a better. Are you there?

I quoted 2nd Corinthians 4. But at the end of his talk here, therefore we're Christ's ambassadors, though God was making his appeal through us. That's how it's going to be done now. he's fixing to leave here, but he'll live in the hearts of men via the Holy Spirit. So I'm reading from 2nd Corinthians 5, be reconciled to God. God made Him who had no sin to be sin for us. It took a long time to get that across so that in Him we might become the righteousness of God.

God's fellow workers. Well, you look in verse 16 from 2 Corinthians 6. what we've been discussing, what is a believer having common with an unbeliever? None, see? What agreement is there between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temples of the living God. That's the point we've been making, what Paul told the Corinthian. As God has said, I'll live with them, he does, and walk among them, he has,

and I will be there people, he still is, and they will be there people. he still is and they will be my people therefore come out from them and be separate because think about it they're calling touch no unclean thing there's a there's a road mode of operandi is it's touched on here touch no unclean thing and i'll receive you i'll be a father to you and you'll be my sons and daughters says the god almighty now that's jesus through the apostle fall telling that for we are the temple of the living God. How much more text would you want than that one? Yeah.

And that's what we're projecting forward much more in depth than Paul did and the with the Corinthians. That's just a point he was making. We're on the right track, I tell you that, right? Right. Well, that's what we talked about last podcast. You've got Jesus's Triumphal Entry on a donkey, which is puzzling to a lot of people who weren't raised in the church.

They're like, this is who you're following, some guy, the carpenter from Galilee, who said, I'm a king, and he made his triumphal entry on a donkey. What kind of king is that? But he also displayed supernatural powers over and over again. he also addressed a love of all people. I mean, he kind of had two ways he was going about that. One, he was showing powers that would say, this guy must be from another place.

How do you have the, you know, he's defined the law of gravity, the law of thermodynamics. I mean, he's able to do things that are not possible to his miracles. But he also had these conversations and these one-on-one intimate encounters with all these different kinds of people from all walks of life, even his disciples. I mean, you're looking at this crew he's gotten together here, fishermen, a tax collector. From the highest through the lowest. Judas. Over some all.

Yeah. A zealot. I mean, it's like this is your crew. And he comes in on a donkey and then he spends time right before we're going to what Phil started off with, you know, his, ultimately his arrest, his death, his brother, and his resurrection. But he spends these three chapters in Luke hanging out in the temple. Yeah. And, you know, why is that, why is he making such a big deal about it? And then, so when you.

What he's saying is there's the temple right over here. that bunch of about three or four thousand there that is the temple well right but even when i look back at when we went through john which is why i said this you know john one seems more of you know i see a bigger connection back to creation itself and you see little hints of that even even when you get to john 20 when when mary thought he was the gardener you know you see this new creation has begun where Jesus has come back for the dead from the dead but you see the signs of it even in John 2 where he goes to the temple and he drives out the money changers and the sheep and the cattle and I was looking at this last night you know in Psalm 8 which is a a famous Psalm it has

that same phrase about you know he would he would well maybe I should read it but it has the same phrase about driving out these animals. And it hit me in that moment. I thought, you know, one of the reasons that he was driving out the animals is he was disrupting the temple. Because the temple was set up, this is where you meet God, and you give sacrifices. Well, just think about that. Well, it makes sense for him to disrupt the animals that were going to be given as sacrifices, if you were going to become the sacrifice, if you were the answer to that dilemma, that situation, or the fulfillment, I guess, would be the better phrase for it. You know, it wasn't so much that they were just turning it into a way of making money.

He was taking that, and although he wasn't speaking so much negatively about the temple itself, he was just saying that was a sign that was going to point to me. You were supposed to bring your own animal sacrifice. The idea was you're sacrificing something for your sin. They're setting it up where you just come in and buy it. We got your stuff here. I mean, they were turned into a convenience store. That was one of the issues that he had.

How to make a buck. Well, they were making money. But then the people were cheapening their own sacrifice because there wasn't anything. They just come in and buy it. And it's like, you know, so it made it ritualistic. And that was the best part of what was going on in the temple. That's right. I went back and looked at, because I preached out of Isaiah 66 on Sunday, and it begins with a discussion about the temple.

And you got to keep in mind, it's the last chapter in Isaiah. And right before that, they're kind of evaluating what just happened to the temple. They're evaluating what just happened to their land. They're in Babylonian captivity. this is what the prophet Isaiah was prophesying would be their response. And their response was, Jim McGuigan says this in his commentary, which I love. He said it's almost as if they were trying to make a deal with God to say, hey, if you'll, we'll build you a great house again.

Like, we'll do that for you. And the response in Isaiah 66 is, what are you talking about? I've made all of this. He says, heaven is my third. own. The earth is my footstool. What is the house that you would build for me and what is the place of my rest? All these things my hand has made. And so all these things came to me, declares the Lord. And it's the picture of God responding to what they ultimately did in the temple. And he goes into further detail. But I googled this, and I put the slide up on the screen of

Kings of Israel and Judah who worshiped. idols in the temple. And, I mean, just go do your own research. But, I mean, it starts with Solomon. And Solomon at the end of his life, he became wicked. He, the Bible says that he loved his women and he turned his face from God. And, and then from there, it just, I mean, almost every single split the kingdom and then it just went out of it.

Split the kingdom. And then almost every single king, there's a few exceptions, but they are a few exceptions. Only about six total. Only about six that the rest of them on both sides of it, they turned the temple into a place of idolatry and worship these foreign gods. And so I think what's happening here, too, it's not just that they were legalistic. It's not just that they were making money out of the temple and some kind of like oppression of the poor thing, which is certainly part of it. But the bigger picture here is that they were full-blown idol worshippers. And that's what Jesus is coming to destroy.

And that's why he goes into that temple because up until that point, that was the epicenter of culture. That's why I read a while ago, Jesus saying, y'all are running here. You can't believe I'm standing here. I've been here the whole time. I'm straightening this mess out. We have a temple that I will be the king of, a kingdom, him and it's upon you and y'all don't recognize it. It was a slow beginning, is what I.

Which is the controversial part of when we were talking about, NTIR. A few podcasts ago, that's where he got a lot of flag because what he was essentially saying is, in a lot of his work, is when, when you read Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, the main point, according to him, is not atonement, although atonement is a key part of it, but the main point is the coming of the kingdom.

And so that controversy is there, but I mean, look, it's not to minimize atonement. I don't think we should minimize the atonement of Christ and the cross. But the gospel that the four guys that we, you know, Matthew, Martin, Luke and John write about, there is this gospel of the kingdom that is very prominent in all of this. And what does that mean? Yeah, what does that mean? No, that's a good point.

Yeah, well, I was just going to read that Psalm 8, where it said you have set him set your glory above the heavens from the lips of children and infants you have ordained praise which you see that you know there's a whole chapter about that in matthew matthew 18 because of your enemies to silence the foe and the avenger when i consider your heavens the work of your fingers the moon and the stars which you have set in place going to your your i thought about this when you were talking about that guy saying he wanted to be baptized in nature this would have been a good thing that to read because it says what is verse four of psalma what is man that you are mindful of him the son of man that you care for him obvious reference to jesus because he kept saying i'm the son of man you made him a little lower than the heavenly beings beings and crowned him with glory and honor you made him ruler over the works of your hands you put everything under his feet all flocks and herds, which is what he drove from the temple. It's the same phrase.

And the beast of the field, the birds of the air, the fish of the sea, all that swim, the pass of the seas. Oh, Lord, our Lord, how majestic is your name and all the earth. So I just think it's a subtle picture of what Jesus was going to bring in becoming a human to become Lord of heaven and earth. and all the ways that earthlings, typical humans, were trying to atone for their sins. He fulfills it all.

But that hub of that was at the temple. And that's why it was making them so mad, because that was the vehicle for, that was the hub of not only their citizenship, but their religion and their culture. It was all tied to that temple. And here he is hanging out for this long. in Luke at the temple, speaking all these things, talking about what you do to pay taxes,

talking about the afterlife, you know, driving the money changers out, all these different significant things. Why is he, why is he focused so much on that? Well, you have to conclude that he's saying, I am the new temple. I'm going to fulfill this. So when you get to John 2, after John 1, he has this weird conversation with Nathaniel about Jacob's ladder, and you realize that that place where that happened in the Old Testament, they called Bethel, which was the house of God.

Yep. And so we should have said that when we were in John 1. So then he drives the money changers out in John 2. He brings up this about sending out the herds and the animals and the livestock. Well, then he makes this profound statement, which I think we should read again, just because of what we're asserting. But, and before we read the rest of this in Luke 21, let's take our last break. But he says, and we've read this several times, but he says in verse 17, his disciples,

remember that he's written zeal for your house will consume me, which is why I brought up the Jacob's ladder thing at the end of chapter one, Bethel, the house of God. Because I made the point that Jesus is the ladder. That's what he was telling Nathaniel. And it was a precursor, Jason, to the tabernacle and the temple that was all going to be coming after Jacob. So it really was. So in John 218, the Jews demanded what miraculous sign can you show us to prove you have authority to do this?

Because he had just cleared out this temple. Jesus answered them. Now, of all the answers, he could say, he says, destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days. the Jews replied it has taken 46 years to build this temple and you're going to raise it in three days but the temple he had spoken of was his body after he was raised from the dead his disciples recall what he had said then they believe the scriptures and the words that jesus has spoken for the lord takes delight in his people he crowns the humble with salvation that's what they were the big dogs were all against.

Let the saints rejoice in this honor, sing for joy on their beds. May the praise of God be in their mouths like a double-edged sword in their hands. He inflicts vengeance on the nations and punishment on the peoples to bind their kings with fetters, their nobles with shackles of iron, to carry out the sentence written against them. This is the glory of all the saints. When you read that, as the psalmist, that's 149. I mean, the big dogs were sitting there not knowing which way to go with this thing.

They, you know, they said the way to do deal with him is kill him. Get him out of here. Right. Think about the power. And the opposite occurred. Yeah, they were plotting the whole time. What are you going to say is that? So think about the power of what Jace just read, that they believed the scriptures

And, I mean, we read over that, but there's a lot of significance there because, you know, one of the things we, one of things we may be accused of is, oh, you're reading your New Testament theology into Old Testament scriptures, but it's, that's not actually true. I mean, what you read out of Psalms? What was the Psalm? Passage you read Psalms 8, Jason. Yeah, Psalm 8. I mean, it's a subtle link is all I'm saying. But that is what the Old Testament was, you know. It's subtle in that place, but it's certainly echo.

the same language of what I read in Isaiah 66, which is clearly talking about the temple. And then there's another in Old Testament scripture. There's the story of when Solomon actually built the temple. And we've mentioned this before in 1st King's 6th, and for the purpose of God's so that I made well with my people. And then if you skip a couple chapters in 1st Kings, I want to read this to you because this is language echoes a lot,

what we read in Isaiah 66, but then Solomon said, this is verse 12 of 1 Kings 8, this is after he had built the temple. The Lord's, the Lord has said that he would dwell in thick darkness. I have indeed built you an exalted house, a place for you to dwell in forever. And just, I mean, just a few verses later in verse 27, when Solomon goes to pray, a prayer of dedication of the temple, just listen to his recognition. which is really what Psalms 8 was about. It's what Isaiah 66 is about. It's the obvious truth that we really should all think about and that probably everybody knew. But Solomon spoke this truth out in verse 27 when he says, but will God indeed dwell on earth? Behold heaven and the highest heaven cannot

contain you. How much less this house I built? That's after he built it. He's looking around and he's contemplating the glory of God, the bigness of God. And he's like, I'm not going to contain God in a house that I built. And that's the point I think that all this is moving towards is, and Phil, you mentioned it too. And when you read the Psalm, about being, Psalm 51 too, contrite in spirit and humble and heart, that God would not despise. But if you come in with arrogance and you think that somehow we think we're going to contain God and a structure that we build, out of the material that he created, it's just, I mean, it really is kind of a dumb way of thinking about things. So some of this kind of like is obvious anyways, just if you start thinking about

the sovereign being in the universe. Of course, he's not going to be confound, confine the house that we build him. And I think that's what Jesus is ultimately the truth that he's fulfilling is God. He doesn't dwell in the temples built by man's hands. He dwells in where he dwells in heaven and he is here but he's at god it the whole earth is god's temple in jesus all right but i think what he did you know phil started off just going through saying well the kingdom is here because you know you went through you went through it yeah you went through him predicting it he he is then levitated in acts one after he spoke about the kingdom and and then jesus is proclaimed the Holy Spirit has come to earth and so I think that's important in that when

Jesus was resurrected and this gets into John 14 through 16 that we've been over when we stood at John he was saying you know I'm going to sin but I'm not going to leave you as orphans I will give you the Holy Spirit so it's actually when Jesus was exalted above the earth he sent down his Holy Spirit so then we house his spirit as human beings. So heaven came down as Jesus went up. That's why Peter says. And what is the temple?

It's a meeting place of heaven and earth. That's why Peter reminded him when he first started in the book of Acts. He said, and he spoke about the kingdom of God. Right in the beginning of, Peter's speech. He said they he spoke about the kingdom of God and he went on to tell him all this has worked out in advance and they all just said well what do we do because they're the ones who killed him. And he said well you repent. You be baptized and God be with you. He'll save you. So it's really simple in a lot of ways but it makes sense why Jesus. It is profound. It covered so much territory.

which is the cosmos. Well, it makes sense when you realize Jesus, when he was teaching them how to pray, that said your kingdom come on earth as it is in heaven. And the only way that I could see that working would be him giving of the Holy Spirit as he's ascending. You are correct. You are correct.

Right. That's a great point. And what you said, Jase, I don't want to skip over it. You said something very powerful that we need to reiterate. The temple is, the meeting place of heaven and earth. It's where they come.

This is where they connect is the temple. That is a key understanding of of what God's doing here. That like this is where heaven and earth meet. And God comes out, heaven comes down, it condescends down to meet earth. And it does that in the form of tabernacle or temple. And then the,

and the thing is, is though, that's the whole point of what the woman at the well. She wants to know, Where do I go to meet God? I go to the mountain up there where my people worship or do I go to Jerusalem, where your people worship? And what was Jesus's point? Another prediction of the coming of the Holy Spirit.

He said, no, it's neither on the mountain nor in Jerusalem. It's the father desires worshippers who will worship him in truth and spirit. It's that it is a new paradigm that he's bringing to fruition in the hearts of humans that we will be, will be that temple. We'll be the meeting place of heaven and earth. And he puts it in that time slot, Zach, because he said, a time is coming and has now come, meaning him. He's here.

That's right. But he let him know there, he's still got things he had to do. It's already not yet. It's already here, but it's not yet finished. That's right. It's coming, but it's also here, which is why we can pray that kingdom come by we, that will be done right here on earth is in heaven. That's not a one-time prayer.

That's right. Man, that's a prayer we embody the rest of our existence. Matthew Mark John, their whole thesis, their whole faith, when you just get right to it. It's the kingdom. The kingdom is here. But that means you've got work to do. But also, the last element of this, the physical temple is what he's describing in our viewpoint in Luke 21. Five through, yeah, 38. 38. Do you mean that when you say the physical temple, you mean like the architectural temple of what was in?

We're claiming this, this Jesus being the temple. That's why he's disrupting it, which is what led him to his death. Part of the reason of that is so that he could die, be buried and resurrected. His death had to be the centerpiece of the resurrection. Because I take...

You need both to have a kingdom. Yeah. That's true. Like part of what Phil said, I mean, I don't disagree that when the Holy Spirit, if you're looking for an exact time when, you know, Phil's like, well, it hadn't come yet, but it was a process. When Jesus was raised from the dead, well, he became king and Lord of heaven and earth. Yeah. There's no doubt about that.

So that was part of the kingdom arriving because the king, had been declared. Now, his followers, the next leg of that was us receiving the Holy Spirit. But then there was another part that seemed more subtle, but not to the Jewish nation, which is what happened in AD 70, which was the old order of things passed away, literally because the temple was destroyed. Not one stone was left on another. So where are you left to go to meet God?

spirit-filled people who are housing Jesus, which gets into Hebrews 3. Right. So we're out of time. We'll talk a little bit more about this. This idea of tying in kingdom and temple is such a big part of this text. Remember, we're kind of setting it up for you. So we'll stretch that out a little bit more in our overtime segment if you want to follow us over, blazedtv.com slash unashamed is where you found that.

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