Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 821 | Phil’s Hope in America Is Restored by a Young Man’s Letter & Jase Gets Chills from It

Episode Date: January 19, 2024

Phil and Jase are bursting with tough love and advice on how Zach should handle a potentially tasty infestation in his historic home. Jase is moved by a gift he received from a young fan. The guys connect the dots between the Passover and taking communion. Al explains how Jesus becoming the sacrificial lamb affected the way sacrifices worked forever.  In this episode: Luke 22, verses 7-38; Matthew 26, verses 26-29; John 6, verses 32-34 — Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? Welcome back to the unashamed podcast. I'm still down here at the Southern Lair. And we got Zach. We found him. He's like a wayward son that we sometimes... I made it. We sometimes find him wandering in the woods. I really hate it, Zach, because we told in the last podcast that we're recording on a Sunday, which we rarely do because we have a major weather event. Yeah.

Chase has some travel. He may or may not get to do this week because of the weather. But I hate that you weren't able to be here because in the podcast, we were talking about the dad's book. Yeah, I could be wrong, but I doubt it. And we got into talking about your mom and dad in sort of the history of Gordon Dasher. So I'm going to have to make sure Gordon listens to the podcast. Because it was, it was, it was very good.

It, it did well because we talked about how much we love it. But it was interesting talking about his initial foray into the Robertson world and what that entailed. And so I would have loved to have had your insight into that. He's, he's different. That's for sure. We, uh, well, I'm sorry. I didn't make, we, we had a, uh, I don't know what to call it. I mean, emergency, a catastrophe, a, an invasion.

I mean, it, it, it, the dash. your house just for, I mean, for two days, it's been all hands on deck. And so immediately after church, which is when y'all recorded, I had to go get supplies because we've been invaded our house house and I had to go to home depot to get some supplies. But we're sitting, me and Jill, about three, two nights ago, we're sitting there watching a TV show. And I look up in my, I can see it in my peripheral vision, just a mass, like a shadow, it just skirts across the top of the wall above the curtains. Oh, the blinds. And I look up.

And I'm thinking it's, was that a huge rat? I mean, I have no, we are, you're home. You've been to it. I mean, it's built in 1897. So we're, I mean, you know, it's, I'm sure we got critters. But, I mean, this thing was, this was different. And I knew it was different. And so I, I, I turned the lights on.

and I see a flying squirrel. Do you guys know what that is? Have you ever seen one of these? Was it a bat or a flying squirrel? I thought a bat. It was my second guess. But then I saw the bushy tail. And is that a squirrel?

But then I see him poke its head out. And I didn't identify as a flying squirrel immediately. So our curtains or our little blinds, he goes in the center of it. And I just get a broom. And I've got him in there. And Jill goes to get Max out of bed. And so Max comes down and then we've got this whole scene. Of course, you know what Jill does.

Screams? No, she grabs the phone. So she's going to film it. She's going to film it. So she's filming. And I'm trying to tell Max, you know, you got to be careful here. I'm trying to instruct him what to do, but he's overzealous. And he thinks he's going to get this squirrel.

But these things are lightning quick. How old is Max? Max is 18. He's over-ambitious. You know, at 18, you think you can conquer the world. So he's going to get the, he's got the squirrel. He's got an old diapers box that the diapers came in. He's going to somehow get the squirrel.

I'm like, Max, that's not going to work. Listen, I'm trying to him. Listen to me. Listen to me. He doesn't. The squirrel jumps out, lands on Max, scratches him all up. And, of course, everybody's screaming. I'm screaming.

Max is screaming. The squirrel runs into the closet. where all of our board games are at. Because we're in the middle of a remodel starting tomorrow, and so we're cleaning everything out. So he goes in his closet, then we're, like, trying to get him out of there. And finally, he could.

What you've got is some fine eating that you didn't take advantage of. I thought about that. You know, I did think about that because today, because you can just eat your way out of a situation. But how do you kill him in the house? You can't shoot him with a, I mean, you can't shoot him in a little better weapon than you had with, with a broom or whatever you said.

You're actually describing the side of your family because we said it's a wonder when you think about here's Jan, who is a female version of Phil marrying a guy who can't be any more polar opposite, culturally, socially, physically.

When you're having a fight with a flying squirrel, they're flying squirrels. When you're having a problem with that, I think this is the Gordon side of Zach coming out. Because first of all, I want to say, well, let me tell you what I wouldn't do. There was no point in my life. The good thing about flying squirrels is they don't mess around much until it gets dark.

In the dark, that's when they do all their scamping around feeding. You can hear nuts falling. You said, you would have turned on all the lights. Yeah, it's just, that's flying squirrel. They're everywhere. That's what they do. That's what I'm saying. Just thinking about the same thing, yum, yum, yummy.

They missed out on a good meal. Well, the part of this story where I'm, where I just, my brain just like overloaded is when it's like there's a critter in our house. Hey, Jill, I'm going to wake up our son. What? And see what he'd have. The shadow of the squirrels. A flying squirrel would be about like this. They're talking about something.

They said, there's some kind of demon coming in. In the moment, it seemed. Yeah, it was. Now we're into the Jan part of the family's. Well, you woke up your son just so he could be assaulted. And not only that, you could have it in living color, a video of you waking up your son. I noticed the only one that was wounded by.

was the baby bring him up you know you know Zach he's okay his woman she's on the phone yeah it looks pretty bad you know what's happening what he's eating on his shoulder right now she was filming it Phil she wasn't talking about it she was using her cell phone camera of course Max is in his underwear so I can't post it online I want to show everybody so bad that was my next question

was is that is Max in his underwear because you said you brought him out of a dead sleep Well, we've got two versions of it because we lost him after the closet. He ran in the kitchen. And then, I mean, I'm like, I don't know where he's at. The next day, we're cleaning out the kitchen. And I'm throwing away all this food. There's a box of Ritz crackers.

And I was like, I'm going to save these because I have a note. I've only opened one package of them. So I've got, it's the family size. So I've got five more unopened Ritz crackers in the box. I hand maxed the box. I said, put that in the stack that goes to my sister's house. I said, put that in that box over there. And guess what came flying out of the box?

The flying squirrel. The flying squirrel. Guess what are you landed? You should. You have a flying squirrel that has decided to make your living quarters his home. That's what's happened. So then you paused the moment and the content reached out to Ritz and said, do you want to be a sponsor?

because everything loves your crackers. The flying squirrels, man. And he had gotten, made his home in the box of Ritz crackers, had eaten a hole in the package. So he was in there just eating. What's interesting is that you come by and you're eating the same thing the squirrel is. And I don't know how much germs are running around, but I wouldn't eat after flying squirrel.

Throw the crackers away. He's crack. We found ways after it. It's not us. That's it. That's it. He will eat the flying squirrel, but he won't eat after the flower. I eat the squirrel, but not after the squirrel.

This is redneck philosophy. And I agree with Phil, for the record. Hey. I'd rather eat the squirrel than happen. So did he get away again, or did you try? Well, that's my other son. Your family is being scratched and eaten by a flying squirrel. And you say, let me get that on.

Bam. Yeah. Oh, that's the woman, right. That's my wife. And the same, yeah, we lost him again because we had him cornered. And I, and this is my 16 year old now. And I was like, bear, listen to me.

Don't, like, he's, he's not going to move unless you move. Don't move. Open that window. And what will happen is, I said, and I'm trying to tell him, like, open the window and I'll leave once you chase him around there. He didn't open the window. He tried to trap him in a box and these things are so agile. I mean, you, I'm telling you, they're quick. And so he got away again, and he went underneath the oven.

So that's where he's at last siding. So I've got some devices now to coax him out from under the oven and into a place that will be his demise. We'll see what happens. Why don't you put some Ritz crackers in front of the oven? Oh, I still got to have something to catch him. The Ritz crackers will be involved. That's the enticing part. That's the enticement of it.

But then I have to have something that will capture him. So I've got some stuff. Plus, it's obvious that Zach doesn't want to give up his rich crackers. He enjoys them. No, they're done. I'm going to eat after a squirrel.

I mean, I mean, even the unopened packages, just the fact that he was in the box. I'm like, yeah, I'm out on the, the ritz crackers are in the garbage.

But the squirrel, he lives on. So, yeah, that's what's been happening. So that's why I was late because I had to go get that, contraption from Home Depot. So you missed a whole podcast about that.

Genesis 9, what you described is Genesis 9. You know, after Noah and the Ark, you've seen the movies. Yeah. I saw the cartoon movie. Everybody was in harmony. And all of a sudden, after the floodwaters went down, God made an announcement. And he said, the fear and dread of you, he was speaking to Noah and his family.

He said, the fear and dread of you will fall upon all the beast of the earth, upon every creature that moves along the ground, upon the fish of the sea, oh, the birds of the air. So really, I don't know what category the flying squirrel would go, beast of the earth, birds of the air, or every creature that moves along the ground. It's somewhere in there. They never stir in the daytime. They always work at night when they're feeding, when they're doing what squirrels do.

But they are a night. It's a flying squirrel. He's traveled by night. But I never heard anybody getting so close as to eat my crackers. Yeah, me either. Well, in the next verse, to Phil's point in Genesis 9, 3, everything that lives and moves will be food for you. So that's where Phil got that. But, Zach, you're not fulfilling that verse.

Because the fear and dread is supposed to fall upon the animal. You have this backwards. One of the top five reasons my wife married me is because she said, I know that if any critter ever tries to move in, that I am confident, you will take care of that. And I have done that. But you forget, Jase, you forget, just a few podcasts ago, you had an experience with, believe bat infestation or a bat or there was something going. So you've ran into this problem.

And you did not solve it overnight, if I remember correctly. No, it took three days. Yeah, it took three days. Give me one more day. If I can't remedy the problem, then you guys have full. That moves to my next text. There's a reason Jesus was buried for three days. That's pretty well the time period that's laid out for us to get something done.

I got one more day. So, Jay's, what I'm here and you say is, Zach needs to repent and change his ways because he is not fulfilling what the Bible laid out for us to do, correct? Well, that was my deduction after I heard about waking up the kid and putting him in harm's way. He gave the other kid a direct order of which he disobeyed. There's another issue there. He has no influence on his wife because she's recording the whole thing. someone should have said, hey, your son's in his underwear.

What are we filming this for? I just think there, you need to take, you need to go to Joshua 24. For me and my house, we'll serve the Lord. You need to step up. So the moral of the story is, do not share anything with your, if you have a family like mine, just keep it to yourself. Don't share these experiences right here. This turned into an intervention is what this turned to do.

I think we need a tutorial. Willie does account every year about how to go out into the woods and survive. And I recommend you need to go to that. Two words, you know, I like them fried. Nobody ever thought of a food source, but they had one right there. It's one of the greatest things you can eat. Yeah, he chewed up my kids, but I'd eat it and have ketchup. So, Zach, we're going to find out on the next podcast.

if you got this turn. What's break time, by the way? Don't we got to take a break? We do. So let's take that break, right? Let's take a break. All right. Welcome back.

So I think we got Zach lined out. We're going to find out by the next podcast. So we want to report on that later next week, Zach. All right. So we got a new segment, Jay's. We teased it in the last podcast. It's really kind of returned back. We never had an official segment.

We're going to start trying to do this more. And we're called the unashamed. mail bag because can we do a breaking news on that jays can you hit the breaking news button to alert that or actually al this i'm going to take that as a sign okay in fact that i'm not going to use the breaking news okay because this letter is about what happens when breaking news or cricket moments happen so it's about our button So here's the letter. Oh, where's the letter come from?

Did you get this? Yeah, the fact, in this letter, I'll just say this. I'll skip to the end, and it says, I'm 11 years old and I'm a boy. So, which I like that. In our culture now, I guess you got to feel like the need to say, you know, what gender we are. So 11-year-old somehow found my address, which is a little disturbing. it came to my house in a little package. And I'm just warning you, if you try to send something to my house,

there's a 90% chance that I will not get it. But I did get this. So I'm taking that as a sign. So I'll read you the letter, Dear Jace Robertson, I was just watching one of your latest unashamed podcasts. And I actually immediately skipped down to the bottom and realized this is an 11-year-old boy who's listening to our podcast, which actually made me have chill bumps on my arm.

So I said, okay. And his name is Caleb. I hope I'm spelling, pronouncing that right, K-A-L-E-V, Caleb. And so it says in episode 715, and then he puts in parentheses, that's a lot of podcasts. Because where are we at today? We are 821 today right now as I speak. He said when I noticed that you said you would like a cricket button to press when one of you says something profound. So you got to remember he's listening to 715.

I guess at that stage in the podcast we didn't have the cricket button. We were just dreaming of it. Yeah, we were dreaming of it. So just to put that in context. And so he says, I notice in 715, you would like a cricket button to press when one of you says something profound or when you tell a joke and no one laughs. Now he has this, good news, exclamation point. Along with this actual fan letter, I enclosed a cricket button.

included with many other sound effects as well, that you're always, that you always have been wanting to have, and feel free to use it in your next podcast, which I'm doing, Kayla. I'm introducing it now. But you don't have to because I can imagine that your house may be overflowing with cricket buttons from all of your other fans who had the same idea.

It says, I very enjoyed the Bible study with you, Phil, Al, and Zach. Also, I really enjoy all of yours and Phil's podcasts, and I hope you will make many more. Sincerely. Caleb, an unashamed fan. I'm 11 years old. I'm a boy. And P.S., I would always appreciate it if you would write back.

And he actually sent a drawing. He's an artist. See, Maddie, where should I put this where you can see it? Yeah. Yeah. One, he's highly intelligent. And two, there's still hope for the country there, son. What's his name?

Caleb. Caleb, there's still hope for the country, son. Stay out of trouble. So now, first of all, I would like to say how I feel about that after receiving this device. Button one is an applause button. That's good. Button two, and I'm just assuming he specified this for Zach because after the story I heard, this is where this will come into play.

Rim shot. Rim shot. Or you could have this one for Zach after hearing the story you just heard. Caleb's created a monster here. And last but not least, the central theme of the letter from young Caleb. That's a better cricket. That's a better cricket. That's a better than what we have now.

That's an upgrade on the cricket sound. And there's four different things we have on there. So just think of what happened here. This kid from Markham, Texas, went out and actually purchased that and put it in an envelope and sent it to the podcast. I love it. There's still hope for the country. So we're going to add this to our soundboard, which now actually looks like all we need is the bottom, some kind of curve and we'll have a smiley face.

Because we have the two eyes. Somebody's going to send that to you next. And we have the nose. So that's funny, Jay. So I've got one more addition to our unashamed mailbag. We have another young man. this young man's name is Tate. And somehow he sent his by email.

And so I got his email. And he said, hello, my name is Tate. I'm in the sixth grade. I love to hunt and fish. That's my two favorite things to do under Jesus is the way he put that. I like that.

So he's saying Jesus, number one. He said, I've watched Duck Dynasty twice and loved every second of it. So I guess, I don't know if he means the whole series. or he only saw two episodes. He says,

but I'm going to get to the point, it would be an honor for you and the whole crew to come to my 13th birthday party. My friends and families are all big fans. I'd love for you to meet them. If you can't come, I completely understand. Thank you, Tate. They didn't come to my wedding, Tate.

So I'm just telling you. I mean. So here's what he says. He gives us what's going to happen. He says, the plan is for me and my buddies to go go-karting, and then we're going to return to the house where we'll all have games, food, and drinks, and a big welcome for y'all if you wind up coming. So it's funny.

He gives me his adjo. He's from Gaston, Alabama, not too far from where I'm at. That's my wife's stomping grounds. Oh, really? Yeah. Oh, yeah. So what I love about it, he's confident, but at the same time, he doesn't tell us when it is. But tape, we're probably not be able to make it.

I don't know if you'll hear this or not, but you made the unashamed mailbag, another 13-year-old that is following along. So it's kind of exciting. That didn't even know you had it. I think he deserves a round of. There you go. Got the applause. So since we're wanting to do this sort of on a regular basis now, I want to give you some official way that you can reach out

to us because it's kind of just coming here there. And like Jay said, it rarely gets to us anyway. But so we have an official place. It's called official Phil Robertson at gmail.com. And so one of our cracked staff, probably my daughter, would be checking that. So if you send things in, you know, for the podcast, send it there. Also, if you're sending snail mail, if you're sending letters like Jay said today, probably the best thing to do is to send it to Duck Commander, which is 117 Kings Lane.

Westmore, Louisiana, 71292, and then put Attention Unashamed podcast or Attention Unashamed Podcast or Attention Unashamed. So that way our folks can get the letters and look through them. So we've got a little bit more staff that we had back in the day, but there's still a lot more of you than there are of us. So we want you to be able to get your letters in, and we're going to, from time to time, read some of the Unashamed Mailbag. That was a pretty good.

That was a pretty good first segment. I like it. I thought it was pretty good, too. Apparently we have a young audience. Even Jace on your show, I'm at church this morning and a 12-year-old boy comes up to me because Cole Prine came to our church this morning, Nicole at Elizabeth, which Cole has made appearances on Duck Family Treasure. He's sitting about seven rows behind me and this little boy comes up to me after church. He goes, hey, hey, is that Cole from Duck Family Treasure?

Well, yes, it is. Could I go talk to him? Yeah, go up here and say that to him. That'd be great. Did he get a picture with Cole? I think he got a picture that I asked Cole about it. I said, yeah, you got recognized. He said, man, it's the funniest thing.

I was at Buckees yesterday or a couple days ago in Tennessee, and somebody came up to him and said, hey, are you Cole from Duck Family Treasure? So apparently. That's awesome. Well, what's so funny about his character? Because back then he was running the board on the podcast. So with a podcast we do for Duck Family Treasure, Cole was there. Of course, we'd all leave and go hunt treasure, but Si would stay at home base and do whatever came to his mind, which is part of the show. You have to watch to figure it out. But he would run it by Cole. And so people who saw Cole in it, they were like, well, how come he never talks? And I said, because he's always in a scene with Sai.

It's like everybody criticizes me for talking so much on this podcast. When I was on Size's podcast, it was just it. The biggest criticism we get here is that we talk over each other. And they think that that people say that's rude. But I mean, I don't even know how we could not do that. I mean, that's just it's part of the deal. You know what I'm part of our idea. It's called being Robertson and Asher.

So, yeah, that's kind of. I've explained that before. Hang on. Let's take another break. I've explained before. That's how we've always had to be heard in our family is you just got to get a little louder or you've got to jump in when you can. So we're not offending each other, Unashamed Nation. So don't worry about us. We're good. I look at it and say, actually, I think this podcast is we're never this polite. I always feel, I'm like, well, talk over each other. You should see us. This is us on our best back. behavior and being accorded to each other.

Yeah, Missy always does a PSA. Like we had those two families last night that I shared about on the last podcast. And we baptized Ty from Florida, which was awesome.

But she had a PSA about halfway through the dinner and she was like, look, my husband's going to interrupt you a lot, but that's just how we are. And I was like,

thanks for saying that, babe. But I guess I was doing that, you know, that everybody was talking. Just to set the expectation. Yeah, I get it. So I will say before we get to our text, because I think this episode, Madden, if I'm wrong, you can let me know, releases on the 19th of January. So on the 25th and 26th, which will be a week from when you're hearing this, Lisa and I are going to be in Harlan, Iowa, doing a marriage thing.

Well, actually, we're just kind of doing an inspirational thing for a church up there in Harlan, Iowa. So if you're in that area, I did peak, though, Jays, because they were trying to pick out a weekend in January to do this event. And so we picked out that last weekend, which fit Lisa and I the best. And I'm just praising the Lord every day that we didn't pick this weekend because I looked it up. And they're under their minus temps for four straight days in Harlan, Iowa. And the worst one I saw was negative 30. So God bless you people up there in that part of the world. But our old friend Chris Danielson, he and him were doing it for them.

So we're excited about it. So you all ready to get to Luke? Yeah. So we got Zach back, which we're excited about that. We were going to do Luke on the last podcast. And once we started just telling stories about all the great things that happened today, in this last weekend, that wound up kind of being our podcast. But really it became our theme, right, Jason?

I mean, it was kingdom living in the moment, which I think is a pretty cool concept. Yeah, our kingdom action. I mean, I thought about... Yeah, kingdom action. I thought about two verses that we didn't bring up because we're right here in this moment where Judas agrees to betray Jesus and Jesus, you know, calls one of them out at the Last Supper, which was a, you know, fulfillment of the Passover, and which would be him being the Lamb for the world,

the sins of the world. And he also calls out Peter that he was going to deny him three times. And we both know how they responded to, you know, what they did to Jesus. I mean, Judas wound up in a field and, you know, dead with even the Bible in Acts 1 is very graphic. about what happened to him. And Peter, you know, has this discussion with Jesus in John, is that 21?

John 21, where Jesus asked him three times, do you love me? I think you read that two podcasts ago, Phil. But I thought about Peter in this. So here's fast forward, you know, Peter writes a letter. And, you know, twice in there, he basically described what our podcast is. podcast was about, and if I can remember off the top of my head, 1-13, this is Peter writing this to God's elect. He says, prepare your minds for action. And then 1-Peter 315, which is one of the first verses I memorized as a young Christian, in your hearts, set apart Christ,

as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who ask you to give the reason for the hope that you have, but do this with gentleness and respect. So, you know, it comes from this theme of what we're saying that Jesus saves us from a ton of things, ourselves, sin, the evil powers that are out there, death itself, hell. But he also saves us. to something and it's this action, it's kingdom action of living like Jesus in this world via the Holy Spirit as members of his church and his kingdom. Yeah. Yeah.

And the reason we do Bible study on here is to inspire you, just like we've been inspired to live this out. So that's the whole idea. And that's why we sprinkle in the stories of what's going on. Even the funny stuff like Zach was doing. earlier about the flying squirrel. I mean, like, it's living life every day. It's unexpected things that happen.

But you have this core base when you study the word of God that then you're ready for it. Most people don't do anything because they don't feel like they're ready. And look, when you know Jesus and then you start getting to know his word a little bit better, you're ready. You're ready for action. Yeah. I think we tell these stories that maybe seem like mundane everyday stuff. But I mean, I think it comes from the perspective that we have on scripture, particularly the Gospels, or it's not just about, you know, the incarnation of Christ and then the death and the resurrection.

There's a – Jesus lived a life. I mean, he lived an entire life 33 years, and there's a whole lot of stuff in here. And we talked about this, you know, at church, you know, Mark chapter 1, when he talks about when it says Jesus was explaining the gospel, when it tells what that explanation was, he says it was that the kingdom is, is. here. The kingdom is in your midst. The kingdom is at hand. I think this is the term used. And so all of these seemingly mundane stories or things, there is no secular, sacred divide in the kingdom. It's all gods. It's all his. And so we don't really draw that distinction. And I think that's why when we interpret Luke, for example, we keep coming back to the concept of kingdom in all of the gospels because it's just in there. And I love, Jace, what you said about that

passage in Peter, that it is action. James says that faith without works isn't faith. That's not, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, what we're talking about is what does the kingdom look like? What's the action that we live and take and what, and do and breathe in the, the way of life that we're participating in? And when we, to the degree that we can see that, and participate in the kingdom life is the degree that which we can experience God's goodness and, and, you know, Consequently, the passage we've been in, that's not the path that Judas chose. He did the opposite of it, and we talked about it a few podcasts ago, what that ultimately looked like, which was death, isolation, and his guts being spilled out in the field somewhere. That's the opposite of what God wants for us and what God promises us through life of him.

So we're in Luke 22, as has been mentioned. And we talked about Judas, and the last, a couple of podcasts ago, we read the first. verse 23 verses, well, from 7 to 23, which was Jesus implementing this kind of new idea to the Passover because this was a Passover feast, which, you know, there's a whole big thing about bitter herbs and things they eat, the way they eat it, unleavened bread, different cups that are blessed. And so you can study it in the Old Testament, but we made the link back to Exodus 11 and 12, which was the very first Passover meal.

And literally in that case, it was so that the angel of death would pass over Israel inside Egypt so that the firstborn of all their families and their animals wouldn't die in one night. So it was a terrible, terrible thing. But even then, it was giving you a little bit of a shadow, a foreshadowing of what this was all about. Because this is Jesus on a terrible night that he's going to sacrifice. himself as the Passover lamb.

And so he's having this last Passover meal with his disciples. And as he does that, he mentions about the kingdom. And he mentions now that the body, which would have been a lamb back in those days, you know, a little lamb that hadn't done anything to anybody but was sacrificed. Now his body is the body being sacrificed and the blood that was smeared on the doorpost. Now it's his blood, and it's the blood from the cross that he's going to endure the next day as we're getting into this text. So that's kind of to catch you up on the background of what the section is that we're talking about. And one thing we didn't do when we talked about Judas' betrayal in John's account, in John 13, which he highlights that in that same meal that Jesus washed the feet of.

all the disciples and getting back to where we started while ago about this kingdom action because he was presenting a principle that we would become via the Holy Spirit where we're not here to take over worlds via the sword or weaponries or bring in the tanks and let's do something about this. We're going to do it through serving and loving one another. And what I found fascinating now that I didn't notice when we went through John, is that in John's account, in John 13, it says that Satan entered Judas, it was right after he took the bread.

In verse John, in John 13, 28, Jesus answered, it is the one to whom I will give this piece of bread when I have dipped it in the bowl, speaking of the one who would betray him. Then dipping the piece of bread, he gave it to Judas, Ascariot's son of Simon, as soon as Judas took the bread, Satan entered him.

What you are about to do, do quickly, Jesus told him. And I've often said before, every time I said, even in Duck Dynasty, just as a joke, which is probably a bad joke. But when I said, you don't know, when you don't know what you're doing, do it quickly because you're doing everybody a favor. But I actually got that joke from this passage. I mean, he basically said you don't realize what you're doing. And in John's account, you even go back to another point about the Passover

because when John the Baptist saw Jesus back in John chapter 2, you remember what he said? Because at this Passover meal before his death, he took the bread and he broke it. And it's very scary that Judas in that moment that the evil was. one entered him because Jesus did that in that that would become symbolic for every person who puts their faith in Jesus to remember that Jesus is the Lamb of God that takes the sins of the world, which is what John the Baptist said when he saw Jesus approaching.

Yeah, I think it's John 129 in it. Oh, I said Chapter 2, yeah. John 129, the next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, look, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world. So what's amazing to me is John the Baptist gave you a preview of what would happen at the Passover feast before Jesus' death, that he came to fulfill that. And so it's just incredible that all of this does go back to Old Testament history and the Jewish nation and the rituals that they did.

And in between these podcasts, I did this in the overtime, Zach sent. a text, and I read this in the overtime of the last passage, but in 1st Kings 9, and Zach, you can comment since this was your idea and you found this, but even that section of scripture where it was foretold that the Jewish nation would abandon God, and because of that, the temple would be destroyed. He even links that back to what happened in Egypt when they were living. liberated, you know, God set them free from Egypt, which is where the whole idea of the Passover came on the 10th plague of the killing of the firstborn, whoever would put the blood on the doorpost. And I wanted to read that because it not only ties in to this kingdom

action of service and Judas betraying Jesus as it was prophesied in Scripture, but also all these prophecies that Jesus was saying that would happen to the second temple of Jerusalem. them in AD 70. So this is 1st Kings 96. It says, but if you or your sons turn away from me and do not observe the commands and decrees I have given you and go off to serve other gods and worship them, then I will cut off Israel from the land. I have given them and will reject this temple I have consecrated for my name. Israel will become a byword and an object of ridicule among all peoples. And though this temple is now imposing all who pass by will be appalled and will scoff and say, why has the Lord done such a thing to this land

and to this temple? People will answer because they have forsaken the Lord their God who brought their fathers out of Egypt. There's that liberation and have embraced other gods, worshipping and serving them. That is why the Lord brought all this disaster on them. And I was just making the point that here's Judas this close to Jesus. And he did not accept the liberation that Jesus offered, the freedom from all of what he is facing, just like every other human. Sin, death, consequences, his self. And he chose to remain under the evil one's captivity. And look what happened.

That's the story really of humanity. But, I mean, you see it in the Old Testament. When I sent that to you out of First Kings 9, that's coming out of First King's 6 where God instructs Solomon to build the temple. And he tells him to do it so that I may join my people. And then in First Kings 8, there's this prayer that Solomon prays. And it's like all these things that like kind of like it's the prayer, if you read it, It's like an establishment of the purpose of the temple. And then God's response in chapter nine is, I mean, the best way to describe it if you read it is it's the entire prophecy of Isaiah in like about one or two paragraphs.

I mean, everything that you see in Isaiah that came true, which is another prophetic book, but it's the history of the Babylonians coming in. I mean, Solomon himself, who was obviously had a heart for God that he would build. this temple for him, and you read all this, this beautiful literature that he wrote in the scriptures. But at the end of his life, he turned away from God and turned to foreign gods and did the one thing God said not do. And it's like, that's what we do over and over again. It's what Judah said. He was with God, but yet he missed the whole thing.

And, you know, when you were reading that of this, about Jesus at the Passover, and we do emphasize the lamb a lot in the blood, because that cup represents the blood is what we do on Sunday morning in our church. we take communion and we drink the blood and we drink the fruit of the vine that represents the blood that was shed for our sins. But we don't just do, we don't just take the blood. We also eat the bread. And Jesus dipped the bread in. And when you read that, I was thinking of John 6 because he also embodies the bread as well.

And John 6, he says that this is the bread, he is the bread of life. And he says that I am the bread of life. If your forefathers ate manna in the desert, that was the bread falling from the sky, but they all died. But here is the bread that comes down from heaven, which man may eat and not die. I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats this bread, he will live forever. And this is the part I want to hit because it goes to the core what Jason is just talking about. This is the bread of my flesh, which I give for the life of the world.

And that phrase right there, man, there's a whole theology tied around that, that for the life of the world. What did Jesus die for? Did he simply die so that I could be saved from my sin? Well, he did die for that, but that's not the only thing. He didn't just die so that you could be freed from sin. He died for the life of the world so that we may live with him, that we may be participating in the kingdom. Not far off. It's not something.

We are waiting on the kingdom. We said over and over again, but this is something that's happening now. It matters to my daily life right here and right now. It's kingdom-leading. I didn't listen to the last episode, but I can assume what you guys talked about, and it's everything that that embodied. And that's real hope because I'm not sitting here grinding out my life here. We get to participate in this now.

It's what Judas missed. And by missing Jesus, he missed the life that he had for him right then. And instead, what he ended up doing was he ended up worshiping very temporal things. things. In his case, it was a few pieces of silver, which in the end he never got to enjoy anyways. He didn't even enjoy it in the end. And that's the lie of the devil that you think you're going to enjoy this, but you're not. But to live with God, you do. I mean, you do experience his goodness. And, you know, Zach, I think you're so right. And the utter hopelessness that winds up in Judas, I've heard you talk about this before when you wrote

Torchbearer, the movie, when you put your hope in anything beyond, beyond God and beyond what he did in Jesus, it almost always ends in this hopeless despair place. And I've heard you say it before that all the great supposedly thinkers who were atheists who had no God usually kill themselves or usually had very little enjoyment in their life. And supposedly they were super smart people. And so I think about that in this case. I mean, when you walk away from the one thing that brains life, which is the bread of life and gives you that ability to get past mistakes, which is the forgiveness of an atonement in his blood. I mean, when you think about not having that, what a miserable existence on this earth.

Yeah, what I've said in the past, I mean, maybe not all the atheists that have committed suicide, but one of the things Schaefer said a lot is that the logical conclusion of a life without God is this. And so he went through a lot of the existential philosophers and showed that when they followed their worldview out to the end, it typically ended in some type of absurdity. But the truth is that no one can live like God's not there. No one can ultimately live like that. You just can't. Like if you have to exist, you have to live your life like it matters.

You have to live your life in such a way that says there's value to humanity. But when you do that, you're actually borrowing from the God's realm. You're reaching up in God's story and you're trying to bring down stuff and apply it into a naturalistic framework, which doesn't really work in the end because in a naturalistic worldview, all that exists is matter. That's all that exists. And if all that exists is matter, then we don't matter. But Christ came, this is what I love about this, though.

Because Christ, when he's talking about the Last Supper, which, you know, or the Lord's supper, the Eucharist, I don't know what your church calls if you're listening, but when we're participating in that, which is kind of like our new version of the Passover, me, I mean, what we're saying here is that Christ became flesh. Like Christ takes on a body. Christ becomes, like God becomes physical. God enters into the natural world. It's not naturalism because we're not saying that all that exists is nature.

But what we are saying is that nature does exist. The physical realm exists. And God became physical. And what that means is that he became present. He became available. He became touchable. He became imminent. He put himself in a position where we could actually touch him and not just touch him.

I mean, you know the story. What's going to happen here? I mean, spoiler alert. Jesus gets brutally killed in the end. Yeah. But God vindicates his death by not raising him up into a spirit that floats around into the ether somewhere. No, we're talking. What's coming up soon is a bodily resurrection of Jesus.

which is a precursor of our own bodily resurrection. And I think that's important because what the Gospels do is they paint this picture and they tell this story of how heaven and earth meet, the spiritual and the physical world meet in the person of Jesus. And that's the only way we can explain our existence in our context. And it led to him having meals post-resurrection on four different occasions with people. I mean, just think about that. So I wanted to read this before we go to the overtime,

and we can talk about this, you know, where we're at. Because when he, in verse 13 of 22, when he says they left and found things just as Jesus had told them, so they prepared the Passover. And when the hour came, Jesus and his apostles reclined at the table, and he said to them, I have eagerly desired to eat the Passover with you before I suffer, which indicating his death.

for I tell you I will not eat it again until it finds fulfillment in the kingdom of God. After taking the cup, he gave thanks and said, take this and divide it among you, for I tell you I will not drink again of the fruit of the vine until the kingdom of God comes. But he made this meal representing who he was and his body being broken, his act eloquently discerned and drinking the cup, which represented his blood. but he tied that in with the kingdom being fulfilled, which is what we do,

which is a little confusing to people because they're like, well, what exactly does that mean? But here's a person being resurrected, claiming to be where heaven and earth meet, having meals with people, giving you a glimpse of what eternity is like and having imperishable bodies are like. It's where heaven and earth.

meet together as people living. And they really did. They really did meet in Jesus' resurrected body, which is powerful. So we'll flash that out. Let me just point out one last thing before you go there. What you don't see in that meal is a flying squirrel. Way to tie it all together. You don't see a lamb either because he was representing the lamb.

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