Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 823 | Jase Finds a Slippery Slope on an Icy Road & Phil Wishes Ignorant People Would Stay Home

Episode Date: January 24, 2024

Jase braved icy roads for a good hunt but is lucky he made it in one piece! Phil is bemused by the ignorance of some drivers out there, and the guys discuss a passage in Luke that connects angels, humans, and Jesus. Jase uses Mia’s experience at a Christian youth camp to highlight the importance of service and humility, and Al points out a word that has one meaning to humans and a totally different meaning to God. In this episode: Luke 22, verses 24-38; Hebrews 12, verses 22-29; Psalm 51, verse 5; 2 Kings 6, verse 5 — Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? Welcome back to the Unashamed podcast. I'm down here in what is normally sunny and warm Gulf Coast, Gulf Shores, Alabama. But it's been pretty cold down here. We're about 10 degrees, usually from what you guys are in Westman, Road, Jays. And so, like, when you guys were like 10, last week, earlier this week, you know, we were like 21 here.

But it causes a lot of problems down here because everything's built off the ground. You know, there's a lot of pipe issues. There's a lot of swim pools down here. They don't react well to freezing temperatures. So it's kind of been a deep freeze for the whole country. Zach, is it bad where you are? What's the story there? If I could adjust my camera and turn it this way, which if you're not watching to

the left. You'd see up my window right now, and it is a, it's like a blizzard, snow pouring out of the sky. Take you a little, take you a little picture and we'll have Maddie put it on. I want to do that. I'll take us a picture. You know, what's fascinating now is, you know, granted in Louisiana, we had more of an ice issue when that came through. Of course, it shut down everything.

And it really- The school was out four days, three or four days. Yeah, which look, I traveled on the road because I had to get to Los Angeles and I hunted all day. And I left at 4 o'clock in the morning and I got home at 7.30 at night because it took me an hour and a half, which is normally 30 minutes to get from your place to my place. So it took three times as long. And, you know, we laugh because people just get. crazy. I mean, it's really not that. It wasn't that bad. The problem is you have people passing you on an icy road going 65 miles an hour. I'm going like 19 miles an hour. And they're just

sliding down the highway. I mean, why do they do this? I just could not believe it. Either people panic and you can't find anything in a grocery store, convenience store. Or they're just just out there saying, hey, let's get it, you know. And I remember thinking of all the spiritual applications of this because you're like, man, how are these people fearless? Because they think individually, they're indestructible. But they're not, you know this is not a good thing because they are not concerned about the life and well-being of other people.

Because every 200 yards, guess what you see down there when that happens? a car in the ditch. Yep. So I had to go around a group of cars and they were trying to pull out a car from a ditch. And I just kind of pulled up there and it's like, what seems to be the problem? Because I was trying to find a way around them. They were like, we can't figure out how to get this truck in four-wheel drive. I said, is there a button?

They said, well, if there is, we can't find it. So I was like, how do you own a vehicle that has four-wheel drive and you don't know how to engage? That answers my response. We say, why did they do this? They just ignorant. They paid for that four-wheel drive. But, you know, in the redneck mind, too, though, Jay's, it's also a grand opportunity of what you were just describing because there's a lot of guys. that do know where their four-wheel drive is and love their truck,

and they just drive around looking to pull people out of situations like that. So the redneck mind, you know, it's an opportunity to use your skill set when stuff like this happens. When you got icy roads, you got trees down. I mean, you know, the redneck's got his chainsaw, you know, collection. So he's ready for a moment's like that. Well, it says party like somebody getting stuck in the mud and the ice. Exactly. It's like Marshall driving.

Because look, what I noticed, what was fascinating is people weren't stopping at the red lights. They're still functional. It's 7 o'clock at night. And they're just driving right through them because they're like, oh, there's nobody out here. Anyway, and I'm like, well, I'm out here. I just saw you. I mean, the only babble I had. It all ends up with a gigantic pile of rubble.

That's right. The only Bible I had is a red light was coming. I was only driving 20 miles an hour. But when I tapped those brakes just to slow down because I had to make a 90 degree right turn, you know, my truck just started sliding. And, you know, I didn't stomp the brake. I tapped them because I know that's what you're supposed to do. But there was just no stopping.

And so instead of trying to turn because there's a car in the opposite lane of where I was going to to turn because I thought that I may slide into this this car. Of course, they didn't move or anything. You know, they should have got out of the way. They had plenty of time. Nope. They just sat there and I just was sliding slower and slower and slower. And then I got, if I would have tried to turn, I would have tapped them lightly.

Because when I finally stopped, I was now looking at them. Yeah. And they were looking at me like, wow. But you did not hit them. I didn't hit them. I was just in front of them. But if I had tried to turn, I would have hit them. You were asking, what are these idiots doing?

And the ones looking at you said, I wonder what this idiot is doing. Look at this idiot. I basically stopped under the light. I stopped under the light. And now I'm looking at them. And so I did what you do. I waved. And they waved.

And I used to read. Well, everybody. But you were practicing what I call Al's Law of the Road. Anyone that drives faster than me is an idiot, and anyone that drives slower than me is a moron. So my speed is the perfect speed. So that's, and everybody thinks that way. That's the problem. Of course, he was sliding.

So, you know, Layla, my daughter, who just moved back to Nashville, calls me yesterday. And she had a very similar experience to you, Jay's up in there. It got rough. She's first day on her new job. She had almost an exactly identical experience to what Jace just mentioned, except that she actually ended up sliding into a tree and totaling her vehicle. Oh, no. So Layla doesn't have a car right now. But she did the same thing.

She's driving out there, hits the ice. Where we live, they, I mean, we don't get a ton of snow, but we get enough to where they've got, they have an infrastructure in place where if it's going to snow, then the, The salt trucks go out. They've got scrapers. They get all the stuff you need because we get a couple of snows a year. So you can typically drive unless it's just a, you know, ice over. You can typically drive around here. Yeah, well, ice, yeah, snow and ice obviously are different.

And people from up north, you know, obviously are much more used to that. And you're right, that they have infrastructure. Down south, we don't deal with it very much. And so you're not going to spend a ton of your budget if you're the, you know, department of motor vehicles or whoever does, department transfer. you're not going to spend a bunch of your money on stuff you hardly ever need. But it is interesting that we've had now about three winners in a row where we seem to have a week of really cold temps and usually some sort of precept in Louisiana. We've had it for three winners in a row.

That's true. It was all worth it because the ducks came with it. It was like turning on a switch. It was like someone said, engage the migration. That's funny because, you know, we had Allie Beth Stuckies. In January, before, forward, there was any kind of much kind of, it was very little rain. And there was just no ducks, Phil. There were just no ducks, no, no rain and no temperateurs.

And the season's almost over. This morning, it was just, it was just silly, you know, because Phyllis kept asking, why are we not, don't we need a couple more woodies? I was trying to get her to shoot by herself. And, you know. Yeah. I said, well, we're playing now because they would come over and I would say, nope, no. I mean, they were in plenty of range, but I was just trying to get them down in there where she couldn't miss.

Yeah. Because you weren't worried about it like you normally are. We're not seeing anymore. Oh, they just kept coming, you know. Which had been the whole season. So Alibet's dad, Ron, is a big duck hunter. And so he's been sending me pictures, dad. He hunts over in Texas.

and, you know, they've been killing them all year. I mean, he'll send me a picture, full limits, you know, every day. And then I'm like, well, it's not like that Louisiana. And he said, well, maybe this weather will bring y'all some ducks. And it did. So I'll have to let him know that it finally happened, which is good. All right, we all ready to get to Luke? Anybody else, anybody got any more stories they want to tell, Zach?

Anything else happen to your family? Well, the best thing you can do is stay off. the roads so you won't fall into temptation. Yes. You know, that was the point I was trying to make in the last podcast when people say, well, it's not if temptation is coming, it's when. Because when things are going great or they're going terrible, the evil one and the powers that be can use that with equal enthusiasm.

No, that's good. Anything other than the Lord being at the center. of your life has a tendency to be a temptation for you to desire, you know, to put your comfort in power or wealth or whatever, or you're just so far down that you think there's no way back up. And it's just not true. Well, I think you're right, Jason. And that's what makes the moment of what we're reading about here in Luke 22 so powerful

is that even Jesus, who is God, and yet he's also become one of us. in this setting here we're reading about, he has what I would call his most human moment by, you know, praying for strength to deal with what he's about to have to deal with. And the interesting thing is he lands on, at the end of the whole thing, this night, he lands on not my will, but yours be done. And, you know, that becomes his thing. So the same thing that the Bible tells us to do on a consistent basis, Jesus himself, relied on it for him to do what he came here to do.

And that was to do the well of God. Well, where we fall short sometimes on the grace part of our salvation, that Hebrews 10, since that time, Jesus' death, take away our sins, he's made his enemies his footstew because, got two things that come out of it. Once you're saved by one sacrifice, his death on a cross, he has made perfect forever. But there's a little caveat there. Those who are being made holy. So holiness, you confront it being practicing holiness. You do it because you know, you know he's made you perfect by his death on a cross.

You see my point? In other words... Yeah, you've got both the justification and your sanctification and one thing there. That's right. You're saved from your sin. You're always going to make some mistakes. Yeah. But you're perfect in his eyes because of your faith in who he is and what he's done and what he will do.

Yeah, that's a great point. Al, I was thinking when you were talking about Jesus ending his prayer there with not my will be yours be done. I mean, that's almost exact language that he uses when he teaches us to pray. And Luke 11 when he said, and by the way, it's indicative of the type of

kingdom that Christ had in mind when he came preaching the gospel of the kingdom is that thy kingdom come, thy will be done on earth just like it is in heaven. Yep. So he is that, even in this moment of

the crucifixion, You know, it's, this is also part of the kingdom of God coming and God's will and reign happening on earth just like it is in heaven. And you're seeing that displayed out in what's about to happen with the Christ. It's only seen through one group, the ones whose sins have been removed. And by one sacrifice, he's made perfect forever. That's done. who are being made. It's an ongoing trip, and it shows it in all the apostles and all of the what God had done

through them, and still they were struggling somewhat with being made holy. There's a picture here of doubt, you know, in all of us, right? And this idea, which is why Jayce was talking in the last podcast about temptation and trials and how they affect us. When I was studying, because I'm preaching Sunday, and I'm preaching out of the book of Psalms. And so I was in Psalm 73, which is one of Asap Psalms. And he said something. And then I was also working on the podcast. And it kind of took me down on a jace's rabbit holes, but I wanted to bounce this off of y'all because I found this fascinating. So when Asaph is writing Psalm 73, it's kind of a confessional psalm. And he's, he's going to talk about some of his

weaknesses, but he starts it and says, surely, and that was the word that got me, surely, God is good to Israel to those who are pure in heart, which is a true statement. But why would he use the word surely to start it with? Why would we just say, God is good to Israel to those who are pure in heart? And so I started looking up that word, because it's amazing how many times the word surely is in the Bible. And it's also in the context of what we're talking about, because I told you, whenever Jesus said he was, somebody in the group was going to betray him, all of them were saying, surely not I, Lord, surely, surely not I, surely not I. So it's like it's a statement.

It's like if we tell somebody, surely you're not about to tell me something and then whatever we would say after that. It's a statement that we think we know what we're talking about, but we're really not sure. And there's this doubt element. And so I started looking up some verses where this is used. And listen to this. This is when God uses the word.

Here's what is stuff like this. This is Genesis 613. I am surely going to destroy mankind. And that was right before the flood. So now when God uses the word surely, it's going to happen. Here's what he said in Genesis 18, 18, 18, Abraham will surely become a great and powerful nation, and all nations on earth will be blessed through him, which is exactly what happened all the way through to Jesus Christ.

But two chapters later, here's the same Abraham who God had just said this about. and when he was afraid that he was going to be killed because his wife was beautiful, Sarah was beautiful, and this king was going to take her. Abraham says to himself, there is surely no fear of God in this place, and they're going to kill me because of my wife, because he doubted that God would protect him. And then another one, Psalm 51.5, David said, after his sin with Bashiba, surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived him. He was so full of guilt and shame that he was like, I had to have been,

bad even in the womb, which is not true, but it shows you the doubt that comes about. And so I just thought about that's one word in a human context that's full of doubt, but in a godly context, is full of surety, which is what the word really means. And it just reminded me so much of this night. Jesus understood how hard it was going to be for his followers to deal with not only this night in the next three days, but then, of course, their ministry. And he's trying to prepare them for that moment, even in their doubt, which is pretty powerful. The struggle, the struggle is always there. It's real.

That's exactly. It is. Even when you know, you've not put your faith in Jesus, you know your sins have been removed, to stay that way and to be holy, it's an ongoing process. It is. It is we have to trust. What are you going to say, is that? Yeah, I'm just going to say, you know, that's how we read the Psalms, too. Like, you read those, I think we've said this before.

I mean, I can't read the 23rd Psalm and say, man, this is true of me 100%. I mean, it's not. I mean, you know, the Lord is my shepherd. I shall not want. No, I want a lot. And he makes me lie down in green pastures. He leads me beside still waters. He restores my soul.

He leads me in paths of righteousness for his namesake. Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil for you are with me. Your rod and your staff, they comfort me. Sometimes I don't feel that. I don't feel that a lot in my life. But I read this and I sing this Psalm because I want it to be true of my life. You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies. You anoint my head with oil.

My cup overflows. And then here's that word that you mentioned. Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life. And I shall dwell in the house of the Lord forever. I want that to be true. So if I'm singing surely goodness and I think there's a Shane and Shane song on this actual psalm. But, you know, when I'm singing that, surely I'm saying, what I'm saying is I want this to be true of my life. I want this to me to embody this truth about who God is and that his goodness and mercy will follow me.

So, but it is kind of rooted in how we say it. There's kind of an inherent doubt in us, which is part of being human, you know. But, but yeah, I mean, we have that in it. That's the significance of the heart, Zach. I mean, God wants our heart. And he says, I can give you. the surety you need, but it's only going to be found in me, because if it ever depends on you, you're always going to fall back on your doubt. And so I think on no other night in this book of Luke,

will you see that more evident than this night, the night before Jesus' death? A good way to look at it. Faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see. that's where the rough party is it's always always rough around the edges that's right well even in the james one passage we did last podcast talking about temptation and how it morphs into you know our desires being ground zero for where everything happens what you desire the most is what's going to happen in your life. You know, he says there, you must persevere when you face many trials. And when you lack wisdom, you should ask God. And he's like, when you ask in verse six, he must believe and not doubt. Because he who doubts is like a wave in the sea blown and tossed by the wind. That's why I like

the title of your book, Phil, because you're turning around doubt. You're like, I could be wrong, but I doubt it because it's all about Jesus being enough or Jesus being better. But we give the disciples a hard time saying, you know, he said over and over and over that he was going to die, be buried, and raised. And then when it came down to it, we're like, why were they waffling? But you even see Jesus in his humanity when it came right to his death. Correct. He's really distraught.

And I love that you brought that up about that. prayer because that becomes our prayer. Because we don't know what's going to happen tomorrow. You know, you could get a diagnosis. You may win the lottery. It could be good or bad. But there's going to come a question to what you desire most and what you're going to put your trust in and you're going to have to say that same prayer.

I'm going to have to trust you in the good times and the bad because those are foundations for temptation for me to be. get my eyes off Jesus, and the next thing you know, all of a sudden this process starts. Desires give birth to sin, sin gives birth to death, and you've missed it. And let's face it, Jay's every relationship, no matter what it is, a husband and a wife, a parent and a child, two brothers, two sisters, every relationship that fell apart usually started with some sort of doubt over motives, over something somebody. he said and then continue to grow to that text you talked about in James 1 to a point where it can

kill a relationship. And so if you don't, I mean, we just see that in a practical way. But if that starts out that you don't have that sort of relationship with God and you're not based on an absolute truth, then your whole life is going to be shifting. That's why it's so hard for people to maintain relationships without God because you don't have that understanding of service and sacrifice that we talked about. Let's take another break. You know, that's why I think he said that in verses 26 through 29.

He really redefined, you know, greatness. And by redefining it and then tying it in with the kingdom, you know, he redefined it saying, are you going to, do you want to be the one at the table or do you want to be the one who's serving? Because I came to serve, which he's redefining greatness right there. you would never think that you're in a fine restaurant that the greater person is the one bringing you the food. You just don't think that way. But then he does it because it then redefines your purpose.

And so that's why he said, you know, I confer you a kingdom. And just as the father conferred one on me that you may sit at my. table in my kingdom. So it kind of defines your purpose. You know, he would leave after he destroyed. I love Phil bringing up that point about putting all the enemies under his feet because his death on the cross wasn't just for our sins. It actually disabled the evil forces and powers and the control that they have over our life. I mean, you know, when you read the Where's that, Philippians too? I mean, he disarmed that power and even the ultimate power of death being disarmed

through his resurrection. So he did all the work, but actually going through it, you see that his humanity really come to the forefront here, which I think is special, because, you know, since he was tempted in every way, which we didn't bring that up as far as temptation, he is able to help those. you know, that's Hebrews 4. He is able to sympathize and help us. Yeah, you mentioned that there was a kind of a redefinition in 24 through 29 of Luke 22 of what greatness is. I think when you get to the end part of that text, when he talks about, he says,

you are those who have stayed with me in my trials, and I assigned to you, as my father assigned to me, me a kingdom, for what reason, that you may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom and sit on thrones judging the 12 tribes of Israel. And I mean, there's a lot in there, but I think two things that kind of stand out to me is one that, I mean, he just got through talking about the, I mean, just did the Lord's Supper, the last supper, and he was clearly talking about what was about to happen to him and what this meal represents this suffering servant, you know, that's prophesied about in Isaiah through the servant songs. And it's the idea that the, that the Savior, the Christ will suffer, which has got to be a super, a huge paradox to what they thought. And we know that

because, as we mentioned many times on this podcast, Peter cut off a man's ear in anticipation of the arrival of the kingdom that he thought was going to be a political kingdom. Or maybe that the wrong world. There was going to be an earthly monarchy type kingdom, political type kingdom, not understanding what God was doing. And so that had to be shocking. But the invitation into dinner at his table could involve suffering and would involve suffering for these people, but that that would be actually the fulfillment of what greatness is. And it's actually in laying down your life for people that you actually find the beautifulness and the wonder and the goodness of God. And then two, there's a direct link here between the kingdom

and consumption. He's saying the reason why I want you in the kingdom is that you may consume and eat at my table. And I think that this would not make a lot of sense if we didn't read a pastor's late John 6 that Jesus defines this type of consumption that he's offering us. It's not consuming the world for the sake of the world. It's actually consuming Christ. He says, I am the bread of life that came from heaven. Consume me. Drink my blood. Eat my flesh.

This is the life that I gave to the world, the woman at the well. Drink, consume the water that I have to give you. And that will become in you a spring welling up to eternal life. And so I think there is this such a beautiful correlation here of consumption in God's way, of consuming God, and being able to participate in the kingdom and that's linked together. And in that you find true happiness and true peace and true human flourishing. Well, just in a practical way, Zach, I mean, we all know people who excel at serving because the whole idea here is you'll be great by your service.

I can't, I know a lot of people who are great servants and the one thing they share in common is not a single one of them are arrogant in any way. I mean, people who serve tend to not be arrogant people because they're givers. And that becomes this point of the kingdom. Last night we were having a dinner. They have holy fear. That's it. Yeah, it's exactly right.

And you see that in them, right? And it permeates. Last night we were having dinner here at one of our little local places we like to go. And it was packed. A lot of people here. A lot of snowbirds are down here now. And this gal that waited up. on us because we eat here a lot.

You know, she's great. She loves her job. She's a good waitress. You know, she's a servant. And so, you know, last night, Pete, the guy was with us, he ordered wings. And she said, what, do you want those fried or char grilled? And he said, fried. And she said, do you want those fried or char grilled?

And he said, fried. And she said, fried or char grilled? And finally after three times, he said, should I get them charred? And she said, oh, they're much. better. And I just thought, and he got them and they were delicious. And so what I was saying is she knew they were better. And it was still his choice, but because she's a servant, she guided him to the right way. And afterwards she couldn't quit talking about it. And I just thought, that's what a servant's attitude needs to be. It makes everybody experiences of living better. And when you look at that

from a kingdom standpoint, we take away arrogance and pride and all the things that's in us naturally to be like. When we're servants and we sacrifice ourselves, we take that out of the equation. And that makes us look more like Jesus, which is, I think, his whole point. Exactly. I remember my daughter, you know, we talk a lot about teenagers on here because I guess being Zach are full force into that. Well, I guess I just graduated because my daughter turned 20. But I remember when she made the transition in her life and she just wanted to be involved in

every spiritual thing possible. It's like once she made the transition. And so she's calling out at camp because they were fixing to have camp session. And they're like, well, the only thing, you know, we have left is working in the kitchen, you know, washing dishes. She's like, perfect. I was like, perfect. I was like, she would say, wait a minute here. You know, but it just shows you that once you get Jesus in your,

your eye and you want to make that transition, it just doesn't matter. You want to be a part of what's going on in, you know, in his kingdom. And, uh, and I would ask you right. Because holy fear. Yeah. Well, I mentioned that Hebrews 4, but I wanted to read it because it's, it's really powerful. Because you see Jesus in this moment. I mean, because a lot of people, so I don't understand why he's while it's, it's like he's changing course. Why is he saying? is there any other way? I mean, I thought he was God. He became a human, and the Hebrew writer characterizes why in a very powerful way. In verse 15 in chapter 4, when he says, we don't have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted

in every way, just as we are, yet was without sin. That's the most fascinating thing. that he came down here did not one thing wrong and wound up on a Roman cross after being insulted, persecuted. When you're talking about temptation, I think the greatest temptation he overcame was keeping his mouth shut. I mean, I would be unable to say, I'll tell you what, you go ahead and kill me, but you're going to regret this. I mean, I just know how I am.

and I wouldn't have been able to do that. You think about it, Jesus could have said, surely you don't think you're going to kill me, but he could have meant it because he could have called in, you know, a whole legion of angels to do something about it. But you're right, he didn't. He didn't do what he could have done, and he did that for us,

which shows you that he was 100% human as well as 100% God. I think the Chosen does a good job of that. But the practical part is that next verse, verse 16. So then it says, let us then approach the throne of grace. Because he was without sin and he trusted the father and he prayed and he stuck to the plan, we can approach the throne of grace with confidence, which would be the opposite of doubting every time something doesn't go our way. That's right. And I think that's what this is all about because people use it as an excuse not to follow God because they're like, well, things are not going my way.

I mean, if God cared for me, why is this going on in my life? And that's where the trust comes in and the true meaning of relationship comes in. And you can go back to Job. I mean, you remember, you think about all the evil temptations that we usually talk about, but Job, everything was going great. And there's a conversation in the supernatural world. about the only reason he's following you is because you're blessing him. So God's like, well, have at it. And, you know, you have one of the longest books in the Bible over the evil one just attacking him from every conceivable angle.

You remember he takes away all this stuff. I mean, they just come from the four wins. Everything that he has is being attacked. So then the evil one, known as the accuser, then says, well, the only reason he's still following you is because you're not allowing me to get him. You let me curse him and he'll curse you. He does that. He winds up on an ash heap scraping his source.

Then all his friends come. Another temptation. They're like, you're worthless. You're terrible. Look at what all that is happening to. He did something bad. You just think you put anybody else in our world in that situation. and you see it every day, what do they do?

They start doubting and they don't trust the Lord. And that's why we have these books. That's why we have this prayer that Jesus says is because either you're going to trust him or you're not. But he has a purpose for us. And if the world wasn't as bad as it is, we would have no purpose. Yep.

And that's what this is all about. And even his wife, Jay, even his wife says, why don't you just curse God and get this over with? You know, why are you holding on to something that obviously is not true? So you're right. Every one of his relationships that should have been supportive of him were another point of temptation that, you know, you're a terrible person. I'm glad you brought that up, Jays, because I wanted to mention in verse 31 of Luke 22. Because Jesus says it's an odd phrase there. And I was curious about it.

And I think what you just brought up is the answer when he said, Simon Simon, Satan has asked to sift you as wheat, which is kind of an odd way of putting that. You know, he's telling him you're about to go through something difficult, but he said he's asked to do it. And my question really to y'all is, do you think it was the same type scenario as what some conversation in the supernatural realm like what was had about Job was also? was also had about Peter or is he just making a phrase here i mean that's you know it's kind of an odd way of putting that what do you think i think it gives me inspiration i mean when things are not going my way i assume that and i have many times i thought well there must be some conversation going up there about old jace is going to cave if this doesn't work out and i think it's a good way to look at it that the evil one and his powers they have to ask permission

they are they're not able to do something now without getting permission and god trust us i mean he you know that's basically what he did with job he knew he knew his heart he was like it's going to be rough and from everybody on looking they were like god doesn't love you he doesn't love you anymore and i mean joe went right up to the edge he was mad he was disappointed he was I mean, you couldn't have anything worse happen to the man. But in all that, I love that passage in Job. It says he didn't sin and he didn't turn his back on God. Stayed the course.

No, I agree, Jay's. And I think the other two statements Jesus makes, backs up what you were saying, because he said to Simon, but I have prayed for you, Simon, that your faith may not fail. So it's still up to Simon to ultimately do the right thing or not. but then Jesus knowing that he was going to have an epic fail says this. And when you have turned back, strengthen your brothers, which I think is the ultimate approaching the throne with confidence that you mentioned earlier because he's telling Peter,

I'm praying for you, you know, and look, hit or miss. When you come back and do the right thing, be sure and strengthen your brother. So he gives them the whole package in one sentence that he knows. exactly what's going to happen to Peter's life. And that gives me... I've used this passage with every one of my teenagers at some point.

Yeah. It's like, I'm telling you, I'm praying to God for you. And when you come back, you know, we'll be, just stay alive. We'll be here. Yeah. That's the ultimate prodigal son speech. Let's take our last break. No, I think that's why I wanted to see what y'all thought about that.

Zach, is that what you think, too, that he meant by the, what he said to Peter? Yeah, I think so. I think I'm on the same page of you guys. I mean, the lot of this in here is, you know, we're going through. I think about this a lot, how much of the Bible we go through. And I'm like, so we'll make it. Give us a little grace if we got it wrong. I'll say that. That's right. Well, we are going to. I mean, you know, there's no way you have this money ideas that go for that and not miss it a little bit. also, of course, I thought about when he said all these things are about to be fulfilled. He said that that which is written about me is reaching its fulfillment. And I tell you that it must be fulfilled in me is another one of those we've been talking about how that what's about to happen is the culmination of everything that's been written and prophesied about up to now.

And it's all going to happen in Christ. So he makes that statement again. Well, he specifically brings up the one from Isaiah 53, too, when it says it is written, and he was numbered with the transgressors. And I'll tell you, this must be fulfilled in me. And so when you read Isaiah 40 through about 53, I mean, you basically are seeing the picture of what was going to happen to Jesus. Yeah, that's a good point.

I always say, like, when you read Isaiah, you know, or really into the Old Testament prophets, I just had this conversation yesterday with someone. There's kind of an immediate context of what the prophecy is that's going to come true in a more immediate sense. And so, and Isaiah, a lot of what he was predicting was geared towards the Babylonians coming in and destroying the temple. And that was like, what, 586? and it was Cyrus coming in and rebuilding the temple and all these things. But it's like that's like the low-level prophetic fulfillment. Then there's the bigger picture of the prophetic fulfillment, which is in Christ, both in the temple, both in him being the Cyrus.

There's a bigger picture at play with all of these prophets that if you're reading it in its time period, it may have one application, but then when you get to the New Testament, and the New Testament is going back to those Old Testament prophets and showing how all of it was fulfilled in Christ, it's really mind-blowing to think about the one person fulfilled this. I did it all. I mean, it's great. It's not only is a great evidence for God.

It's, it also, for me, it draws the entire narrative of Scripture into one, huge arc or one huge narrative that is found in the person of Jesus Christ. No, that's good. And, you know, it makes me think, too, a couple of the statements that are in here. One is, you read about this, and it's either Matthew or Mark, yeah, Luke doesn't record it, but the others do. Jesus said, my soul is overwhelmed with sorrow to the point of death, which, of course, he was about to die. but he emphasizes this idea about sorrow. And then also in our text in verse 45, he goes back to his disciples and they're asleep. And then Luke says, because they were exhausted from sorrow.

And so that word is used in both of these settings, both with Jesus and his disciples. And that helped me a lot because that's the way I feel about this situation. I'm so grateful Jesus died for my sins. I'm so grateful he was willing to do what he did. But I've got to be honest, I mean, it makes me very sad for him, even after 2,000 years that he had to go through that because I'm such a wreck. I mean, it's a sorrowful celebratory. It's a twist of both, right? I mean, like, we celebrate the fact of what Jesus did for us, but at the same time, it makes you sad that sin is so bad that it put him in that position to have to do that for us.

So I think it's that bittersweet idea when we think about this context we're studying now in Luke. It's why people say, well, I can't go watch the passion because it's just, it's too, it makes me too sad. And I'm like, well, I get that, but it really happened. And you're really bad enough that you needed that to happen. Well, and I think we minimize, you know, I think in a curious verse here is after he said, Father, if you're willing, take this cup, yet not my will, but yours be done. It says, an angel from heaven appeared to him and strengthened him. And you remember angels attended him after the temptation that he had with the evil one.

Yep. Well, you tie that in with Hebrews 114 that says, Are not all angels ministering spirits sent to those who will inherit salvation? Or what does it say? To inherit. Let me see what that says. Hebrews 114. I can make that right.

But I was wondering what y'all thought about that. Yeah, who will inherit salvation? I mean, I'm saying I think a lot of times you're comforted in ways that you just don't realize because we're so earthly minded. Yeah. But I'm curious to see, you know, the Irwin brothers do a lot of spiritual movies, and they have one coming out this year called Ordinary Angels. and they have a couple of Hollywood big-time actors, Hillary Swank and the guy that's on that Reacher show.

Yeah. But I noticed it was rated PG. But, you know, I was just going to see what y'all's take on this was because he's, he became a man. He's the son of God. But there's also this idea of angels attending him and comforting him. And not only that, not only in those moments, Jason, but you think about angels were there when he was born. Remember, they announced it and gave instructions to the shepherds and everybody there. Yeah.

They were there in his moment of temptation to strengthen. They were there in this moment when he's going to die. And then they were also there at the resurrection to both roll that stone away, but also to give instruction. And then they're there when he goes back to tell, you know, where. He's coming back the same way. He had help, but so do we. Well, that's what I was getting at. If you go back to the passage in John 151 when he had that conversation when Nathaniel about,

you know, he was looking at thinking about Jacob's ladder. And he's like, you'll see the angels ascending and descending on the son of man. Yeah. I mean, I just think we never talk about that much. But, you know, when you get to Hebrews 12 on what encompassing. the kingdom and who's all there when he says in 22 you've come to the mount zion the heavenly jerusalem the city of the living god you've come to thousands upon thousands of angels in joyful assembly the church to the church of the firstborn whose names are written in heaven you've come to god the judge of all men to the spirits of righteous men made perfect to jesus

the mediator of a new covenant and then he you know eventually gets to the kingdom in verse in a couple of verses later in verse 29, 28 and 29, when it says, therefore, since we are receiving a kingdom that cannot be shaken, let us worship God acceptably with reverence and all. I was just saying, I think we never think about that in the spiritual warfare realm. There's a lot more going for us than we acknowledge. Think about Elisha in First King or Second King's Six, and he's at that. moment where he, I love the, it's called the oh no moment. When the service, verse 15, when the servant of the man of God got up and went out early

the next morning, an army with horses and chariots had surrounded the city. Oh no, my Lord, what shall we do? The servant asked, don't be a fade the prophet answered. Those who are with us are more than those who are with them. And Elisha prayed, open his eyes, Lord, so that he may see. Then the Lord opened the eyes of the servant, and he looked and, saw the hills full of horses and chariots of fire all around Elisha. Like, I mean, we, we may not see it, but that doesn't mean that we don't have protection.

And I take a lot of comfort in that because I think a lot of times, I've dealt with this, sometimes with folks in our church, they're hyper sensitive to the spiritual realm, but sadly, they're hyper spiritual to the, or hypersensitive to the negative. spiritual realm that would come at us. And I'm like, you forget that we have protection. Like we do belong to Christ. We do have the Holy Spirit in us. And we are surrounded by spiritual forces that are fighting and warring for our soul.

And we do have protection. And we don't have to live in, we need to live in reverent fear, but we don't have to live in paralyzing fear. And those are very two different types of fear. I think just to acknowledge it in that would make disciples of Jesus way more bold. I think so. You know, I mean, look, it never crossed my mind that when I was in L.A. with hundreds, I guess there was a few thousand of us of Jesus followers.

We were outnumbered. But it wasn't just the crowd there. I thought, oh, yeah, there's unseen angels. There's a gathering here because we're folks that's known Jesus. We're celebrating Jesus and we want to get him to the world. No, that's good, Jay. We're out of time, but we'll talk a little bit more about this. angels and much more.

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