Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 828 | Phil Learns a Lesson That Cost Him His Beard & Jase Gets Schooled on Marriage by His Son

Episode Date: February 1, 2024

Phil knows exactly when the last time he shaved was — because he lost a bet with his own preacher! Jase gets in a little hot water with Missy and receives some practical marriage advice from his son. Phil walks the guys through a trend he noticed in the books of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, and they discuss the connection between the Old Testament and the New Testament through Jesus.  In this episode: Mark 8, verse 31; Matthew 16, verse 21; Matthew 17, verse 22 -- Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? Welcome to unashame. I can already tell we're giddy today, Jays. There's just a lot of gettingness going on in this set. That's a giddiness. Well, I had a dream. I had a dream last night. I was telling you all about that I did not want to share, but y'all have convinced me to share it because there was some hidden meaning. And I actually have realized what the dream was about, in between me sharing it three minutes ago. Oh, you've had the interpretation, so you've interpreted your own thing. I have a dream.

We got Joseph. We got Joseph on set. We had a weird event happened, and then I had the interpretation. I will now disclose the dream. So Missy's in Nashville, so I'm by myself. Last night was the end of duck season at 5.38 p.m. That was when the sun set, and I looked around. because I was in the woods, hunting ducks to the very end.

And I said, well, that was all of that, which I could have done the same thing yesterday afternoon at my house because I did not discharge my weapon. Yesterday at 5.20 days, I was, I also experienced it, but I was just watching football. So there you go. So I had a dream. I woke up this morning and in a panic. I ran to a mirror, which I never do. If it was up to me, I would have no mirrors at the house. Because I had a dream that I had shaved.

And it was so strong that I went and looked, which I could have just reached up and grabbed my face as I'll reflect on it. You had to make sure. But, you know, I'd slept for an uncomfortable amount of time. because I went to bed last night at 7.30, which was my couch. I remember I was going to watch the football game, and I woke up 10 or 12 hours thinking I had shaved. So then, when I get down here to the podcast,

which I hadn't shaved, obviously, I looked at Zach's seat, Phil and I did simultaneously, and thought, man, Zach has been transformed. I thought he shaved. and he lost a lot of weight. A few pounds, yeah.

Boy, he had a bad, bad night. It was actually someone who looked like, Zach, if he didn't have a beard and he was like 25 years old. I was been saying a lot younger. And you did say, you did subtract 50 pounds. You did accuse me of being 50 pounds. I was not going to say that for all the people. I said, Zach, you look like you've shaved and lost 50 pounds. pounds.

Yeah, here's the moral of the story. Don't gain weight around here. But we later found out that it was... I'm not going to talk about it. That Zach has, because he's obviously the diva of our foresum here. He actually has a person to sit in his chair and get the camera right. You know why? Because I don't want to adjust him on camera.

I'm not the diva. I had to, and I'm not a camera guy, but, yeah, just my own camera. Well, the fact he has a guy around puts him in a different category than me. I mean, he does have a guy. Well, that's what I mean. So the meaning of the dream, if you put two and two together, is yes, officially duck season has ended. So I guess that's what the dream was about, which is now I could technically shave my beer, which is what we did for years.

We would grow the beard out starting in the summer all the way to duck season, where it gets nice and long because it's great camouflage, great for warmth, it deters burglaries, among other things. And then when duck season is over, you start over. It's kind of a rebirth process every year for duck hunters. Yeah, I remember you used to shave. I did it for 20, 25 years. That's what, that's what was so funny about when our little duck show came out. People would, they found pictures of when we had done the shaving after duck season and they're like the lie exposed these are the real robertsons of the duck dynasty and it was us on a beach you know clean shaving but i don't remember phil shaving i don't i don't have any he would he would just crop his short yeah

he would cut it he would trim it yeah he would trim it he didn't shave his all the way he had a bad experience. He had a bet one time at church with the preacher way back when over something. I don't even know what their bet was about. No, I remember what the bet was about. It was about it Phil had this idea that, no, Ray Melton, who was the preacher, had idea. So what you ought to do is go to this, there's a community in our town that's basically pretty poor and, you. And, you know, and downtrodden and they were talking about trying to do something for the Lord. I mean, kingdom living here. What can we do to bring Jesus and to help some of these people?

And Ray Mountain had the idea. It's like, you need to, if you just had a fish fry down there, the whole neighborhood would come, just offer a free fish fry. So they feels like they're not going to come to the, that. I got a beard. Look at me. And Ray Mountain said, I guarantee if you do that, over a hundred people will come. And so a bet formed whether they would be over 100 people and feels like if over 100 people comes, I'll shave my beard, ha ha. And Ray Mountain said, that's the bet. And he had to wear a suit, a suit to church. Phil, it was actually a great thing

because Ray Melm was convinced because Phil's fish were so good. So I've never eaten fish like this. It's just the best. And he's like, people will come from miles around. He was making a point. You know, Jesus fed the 5,000. It's like you want to make an impact on this community.

If you go and fry up your fish, people will come from miles around. And they did. And look, we have many lasting relationships. relationships that formed in that moment that still today 30 years later. I will interject in what you said to this day that's still to a degree because, you know, I'm hanging on 80 now. So, but I will say there's a if you, the fish thing, that was belly meat, boneless belly meat,

stripped of Apollosus catfish, which is the finest catfish there is. I agree. I agree. And I had them fried. The children could eat them. There were no bones. There were my stick in my mouth. I get a bone hung.

This was belly meat off of Apollosus cat. And I'm the one that caught the cat. So it was fresh right out of the river. I mean, it was the way to have fish. Well, the brilliant, the brilliant thing about the whole deal was they carried it over to that Sunday. Melton was pretty, pretty smart because he, so dad comes in wearing a suit with no beard. And he had never been seen in the church like that,

except maybe when he was first converted. And Melton didn't shave for however much time it was in war camo. So he's preaching like that. So he could tell the story. But what happened was, dad, it kind of backfired. because dad got so much attention because he looked so good in the suit and without a beard, especially from some of the sisters, that it made Dad super uncomfortable. And so I don't think you would, I mean, I think you just kind of nix that whole thing going forward.

It was fun, though. That day, I remember that day. You don't want to know the funny part? That's the last time I had a shake. That's right. I wish we knew how long ago that was. You'd think 30 years of?

It's got to be. Oh, it's more than, it's more like four. Well, I mean, I remember it, so I had to be post-teenager. You were a teenager, Jay. It's right when we went back to WFR, it was the mid-80s is when it was. I remember walking in there because nobody recognized Phil. He had a suit on and he was clean-shaven.

Oh, it should be. I don't think so. There's got to be. I just remember a sister who was older who was just like a groupie, and dad was so uncomfortable like it, you know, because she just couldn't get over it. And dad was like, no, no more. And that was it.

You never shaved again. That is another mystery revealed since we're revealing those, that the reason Phil's catfish is better than any other is that it starts with the actual catfish. Because the Apollosus cat cannot be raised in captivity. Therefore, the only way you can eat one is to go catch him. and he only eats fresh meat. Well, there was more than 100 people there.

I mean, you lost the bet overwhelmingly. I remember it. I mean, it was awesome. And Phil got up and shared Jesus. And that's what I said. You know,

it was a bet, and it's funny. But, you know, especially after going through Luke up until this point, it was a, it was a kingdom moment

and a Jesus moment. And a lot of those relationships, you know, that were made with the Lord are still last. to this day. Which is why we were so excited to find out that Jesus post-resurrection ate fish. I mean, that fired our crew up.

When you had that understanding, it was like. We baptized five yesterday, so now it just. Do you want to talk about that? Yeah, you want to tell about that? Let me tell it from my perspective and Phil can interject. Because of the person, we should stay off of that. Well, we won't say his name, Phil. No one would ever find that out.

I mean, you think? I don't think it was, it was, let me just. He's saying in case he's listening, he didn't want to embarrass him. What, we've got to suspense now. I mean, I know. Phil, I'm going to make a judgment call. I do not think he'll be offended whatsoever. Once you surrender to Christ, you're surrendered to Christ.

I like, I like the style. He did that. Oh, he surrendered. I mean, it was a big way. Because I watched it, you know, Phil and them had a guy, one of the five, they were fixed to baptize him, which y'all had two people there. You were on one side. Who was on the other?

Jersey? Burley. Oh, Burley. Burley. So you have two capable, large men here who look very rough. And, you know, they were, you know, he was like, I accept Jesus as my Lord. And they were fixed to baptize him. and he just he just left the surface.

He just torpedoed down. It was a dive. It was a, yeah. It was a, yeah, you're talking about it. Instead of going back, back first in a cover up and the raising back. He just went forward like a nosedive. Yeah. And went under the water, though.

He kind of just went straight down. Did you have your hand still on him? Yeah. So you just kind of. And I just, my hand. hands just followed him down. Normally, it's like this. Well, this was like that.

Yep. So. Which I've seen people, baptized people forward before. You know, it was a very, uh, he was in tears. And it was a, he gave me a picture of the Lord's supper when the, the followers of Jesus were eating. And he gave me a little picture. I'm going to hang, I'll hang it in here where people can see.

see it, you know. It's pretty cool. Wrote me a little note on the back of it, you know, just. Well, I was just going to say, Phil, from what I saw, I saw a man broken, ready, and serious about what he was doing. So it wasn't a negative thing whatsoever. It actually kind of moved me to tears, you know. I thought, boy, this guy is happy. So he's a brother.

He's a brother. And no matter how they get down, they're getting down is the key. Let's take a break. One more thing I was going to mention to that because I've been getting besieged with emails and now text and stuff on X from listeners because we brought up this thing about the bills missing a field go like a week ago in the Chiefs one. So this has got this conspiracy theory that you talked about your wife and Jessica having. it was confirmed that Maddie, who's our producer there,

also said she believes that the NFL is trying to make sure the chiefs make it. So yesterday they went again. And I wouldn't say there was anything necessarily controversial, but there were some calls that were questionable. So I'm getting more stuff during the game. But then I got a note from Chris this morning on Twitter, X now. And I'm just going to throw this into the mix. because now there's people that they're buying this, you know, worldwide.

Taylor Swift, according to this marketing company, Taylor Swift has generated $332 million in brand value for the NFL since September since she started showing up at Chief's Games. So maybe there is something. Well, does that mean that our three wives? We can't teach someone, I don't think, to miss a field. go by about three, two or three feet. That would be something. That would be pretty good. He was objecting to the conspiracy.

Well, I was wondering, did our three wise women start this conspiracy or were they? I don't know. I hadn't heard about it to. You brought it up. Now, Zach said he's been here, but he's, you know, he's got his. Yeah, the timing of this. Well, but I heard it first here on Unashamed, which, by the way, if you, if you want dated news, this is where you can hear it first right here.

or not paying attention. So if you want dated up, breaking dated news right here, I'm ashamed. Two weeks ago, we had a theory. Our three women did. And it came true. And now people are talking about it. And I'm getting stuff from all over. Do you really think that it started here?

I mean, that would be shocking if it all started right here. It did not. It didn't start. It did not. I hear a voice. Representing the three wise women said it did not start. I think it started globally when that Philgo was missed. I think one more time there is a room that a situation becomes a crisis when cattle are women stampede.

Someone once said that, but that's what we're looking at here. You're not allowed to say that anymore, I don't think. You can cut that or run it, but I'd run it. One more thing you'll only hear on the Unshamed podcast. I mean, coach a football team on how to lose. No. Well, I will say it's now, it's a, you know, I had some people over watching the game yesterday. And it is now a point of comment and talking because they keep, they cut to, and I really,

I blame the network. I don't really blame Taylor Swift. She's just at the game. But they keep cutting to her suite. And I just thought, I mean, it's like every time something happened. Yesterday you had a big game.

And so it's like, well, yeah. They're definitely making this. What's Taylor's reaction here? Oh, she's jumping up and down. She's acting like,

you know, she's never seen anything like it. And yesterday, and then she's down on the field, you know, at the end of the game. And it keeps going up because, you know,

now we're trading kisses. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Well, it just shows you how our culture loves to promote people on pedestals. They do. Be careful, though. When they get you on the pedestal, they... That's right.

Wait to the big breakup and then the whole thing's over. One more thing I want to mention this weekend. I'm going to be in New Kent, Virginia. It's the New Kent Christian Center is where it's at. And so if you want to check that out, come see me on Saturday. Lisa speaking on Friday, and she's already sold out that part of it on Friday night. I thought, well, once again, Jays, the women, the women know what they're doing. So how many women, active women, do you listen to in your life, Jay?

So how many do you actually just talk to on any sort of a regular basis? Well, the three wise women, and there's one more that works with me on the TV stuff. So I guess four and my mom, but it's more at this stage of our relationship. Yep, a hug, and what have you been doing? Maybe an occasional adder boy. Yeah. Well, we had that yesterday at church. It was a hug, and what have you been doing?

I was like... With mom, all it takes is one starter. Yeah. And then you just step back because the words will flow. She's got to get her 25,000. Yeah, so I got five key women, I guess, in my life, you know. One in TV, one in the podcast. my wife, my sister-in-law, my mom, who I kind of, you know, get the pulse of female.

And you got Bonnie who keeps up with your schedule. Well, that's true. That's six, yeah. You're right. Al, you've named all the women in my life. You know, what's funny is my son came and duck hunted with us the last three days, which he missed it by three days because we were just hammering them. And he's like, he couldn't take it anymore.

He had to come down and finish the season, which was great. But, you know, I was trying to give him some advice, you know. I'm his dad here. Now he's got two kids of his own. And what was so interesting is he gave me the best advice that I could ever have received. And it was from my son in a moment where I'm trying to just check, see where he's at, you know. And I was talking about Jesus. And I was like, now look, you've got two little kids.

kids, it's, you know, marriage can be difficult. And so somewhere in there, I was like, I was like, you're always going to have problems. And I was using the illustration. And the illustration was, I said, you can tell when they're upset because it goes quiet for a couple of days. Yeah. That's what you can tell. Yeah, you can tell. All of a sudden, you're like, wait a minute.

It takes two days to figure it out there. And I'm repenting here that, yeah, that it's. takes me two days to realize there's a problem. Oh, man. Not two hours, two days. I'm going to use that one. I'm going to tell you it could be worse. Jason, it takes him two days.

It takes me two days. He's upset. Look, I'm repenting, and I'm going to share a story. Missy probably would be agitated, but since she doesn't listen to the podcast on a regular basis, maybe she'll miss this one. But, and look, I'm going to say right now, I'm going to confess my sense. I'm wrong after the two days that's transpired and we start getting to what happened. I'm wrong 99.9% of the time. But what happens is what my son showed me where my edictcy and

stupidity was in this. I've been married over 30 years. Well, he showed me where I'm wrong because I try to then backtrack when she finally lets me know where I was wrong. I try to backtrack and figure out, well, how did this happen? So I'm trying to get the details. I'm like, no, what happened? Because I don't remember, obviously, we're two days in. I never gave it another thought. So in this one instance that I was sharing with him, I was like, because I picked the 0.1%,

because this latest thing had happened, she had sent me a video of something that had to do with Mia. And she said she did. And so what happened was I never responded to the video. And she was like, how do you not respond? Because she's out of town. So she was upset at me for a couple days because I didn't respond to the video. And so after two days of realizing there's a problem, you know, and it's not big. None of this is like she's really mad.

I just knew I must have done something. She's like, well, how come you never respond to that video? So I scroll back as we're talking, well, there's no video. So I thought, wait a minute here. So I said, I've looked back. She's like, oh, is there. Well, when she looked back, she realized she never sent the video. And so I'm like, hands in the air.

Now, you're upset two days over a video being sent. That was never sent. And so this is only the point is point one percent you were right. 0.1 percent. I finally have been absolved. It was not me. And so, but her response is what then made me mad because it was like, oh, I don't know how that happened. And we just went on.

And I thought, well, wait a minute here. No, I want bloodshed here. You know, I won't groveling, you know, how could I have been upset over something that. There's got to be payment. There's got to be payment. And so my son says in that moment, he's like, Dad, from my experience, my whole marriage changed for the better when they come to me and say, this is what happened.

I just say, you're right. I'm so sorry. I'll try to do better. He said, when I started doing that, my marriage got way better in a hurry. And I said, you know what, Reed? You're right. Instead of analyzing it. I'm going to see because they're just little nitpicky things.

That's right. And 99.9% of the time, I'm wrong. And so I should have just said, you know what? You're right. I'll do better instead of running an investigation. And that would probably work in any relationship. Let's take a break. That would probably work, Jay's, because even in church, you know,

somebody comes down and grights about something I found where now I just say, yeah, I'm so sorry about that. We'll try to do better. And it's just like all of a sudden, it's over. In the spirit of surrender and who we're going to make mistakes. And, you know, our relationships reflect our bigger relationship with Christ. And, you know, we mess up where our heart can be in the right place. And we still, in moments throughout the day, we just, we get off track.

And God's grace is sufficient. But I thought about, you know, here we are in Luke 23. and before I guess we do a recap, I just thought, you know, when you actually read the crucifixion, you have four gospel accounts of it. It's something that we don't do very often. People, they don't preach on it much. And as I analyze that, it's a lot easier to kind of talk about what it means

or go to the letters to the churches and say, look at it from a theological standpoint. Yeah, the implications, right. Yeah, but when you actually look at it, it's kind of like when you see a movie that's a true story and it needed to be told, but you feel like when somebody says, was that a great movie?

And you're like, you know, it was hard to watch. Yes, it was a great movie. And I'm bringing up, you know, when the passion came out, when somebody said, was it good? I was like, not really. It was a well done. You're articulating what I was volunteered to get together. I got about a five-minute rant.

All right, let's hear, Dad. Well, isn't that weird how we, all the signs are lining up here. Signs are lining up. All right, Dad, give us your rant. What's your thought, Phil? My thought is this. If you look carefully for a little, long time from the Old Testament moving forward as the years are going by and the events that

are having and the predictions that are being made about Jesus's death about about about Jesus and what all this is about so if you look in Matthew all kinds of gigantic miracles are passing by Jesus feeds the 4,000, the faith of the Canaanite woman, John the Baptist beheaded, clean and unclean, the parable of the net, a prophet without honor, Jesus feeds the 5,000, the parable of the mustard seed and the yeast, the parable of the sower, the signs of junk, you start reading, but something is missing. So in the middle of this writing, Matthew 16, 21, you get to the middle of the letter.

You get to the middle of it. And for all of a sudden, what comes out of it, Jesus predicts his death. That's right after the yeast of the Pharisees, Peter's Confession of Christ, well, 16, 21, middle of the writing. We're looking at the middle of one. Well, I got the middle of all of them. So from that time on, there's a change here. Verse 21, 16, Matthew 16, 21.

Jesus began to explain to his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem. So that's the target. And anybody listening would say that he wants to. do what? He wants to go to Jerusalem and suffer many things at the hands of the elders, the most religious people on earth, chief priests, most religious people on earth, and teachers of the law, most up until now, the greatest teachers ever, and that he must suffer many things, and one of them is that he must be killed and on the third day be raised alive. You're like,

Do what? Well, from that time on, you turn one page, and he says it again. Verse 22, 1722, the son of man is going up to be betrayed into the hands of men. They will kill him, and on the third day he will be raised to life. That's Matthew, but he begins in the middle. If you go to Mark, you say, when does he bring out the fact that he has got to doubt? I'm going to die. Well, with Mark, it's Mark chapter 8, middle of Mark.

It was the middle of the one before. He then began to teach, this is 831 in Mark, middle of the writing. He then began to teach that the son of man must suffer many things. Well, he said that just a day or two before that. Same thing. Suffer many things and be rejected by the elder. he names the people, the religious people, the good people, chief priests, teachers of the law, and that he must be killed.

What's going to come from these very religious people, Jesus said, is my death. And look, I must, he must be killed. Because at the time, they're trying to get a handle on what in the world is he doing. Who is that? And what is he doing? He must be killed and after three days rise again. Will you end up when you get to the end of Matthew? Watch.

It all is unfolding. Look in your Bible. The crucifixion. He's been saying I'm going to die all the way from Mark in the middle. The death of Jesus, the barrel of Jesus. Well, he's been saying that now. for several months, if not years. And the resurrection is at the end of it.

It's good news at the end of what Matthew was talking about. Then there's the Great Commission. All authority in heaven on earth has been given to me. He's gone over life and death. They kill me, and I'm still standing right here. Therefore, what you do is, the human race, go and make disciples of all nations. I've been trying to get you to my death is going to be hollowed out over and over and over worldwide. So therefore go make disciples.

You baptize them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit. That's just Matthew. You turn one page. You're looking at Mark, open in line and Mark. The beginning of the gospel, the good news, about Jesus Christ, the son of God. Well, guess what? in the middle of Mark in chapter 8, middle of the book, middle of the letter, middle of the letter. Verse 31, chapter 8, he then began to teach them that the son of man must suffer many things

and be rejected by the eldest back on the religious world, chief priests, in their hands, they're mean, they're killers, and teachers of the law, that he must be killed. And after three days rise again. He spoke planly about this. and him took him aside and they began to say and rebuke him they're like you know why you're talking about dying in the middle of all this Jesus said you got it hold on to it the healing of the blind man the healing of the death and the dumb the feed he feeds a for that right in the middle of it all I've got to die guys I'm going to die but in three days I'll be back right in the middle of all that

Well, you get to the end of Mark. I'm turning it. Right in the dead middle, the prediction is made. You get to the end. Well, what do you know? The death of Jesus. Well, he said he got to die. I'm going to die.

He did. The buried of Jesus. He was buried. The resurrection. It was promised. They kill him in three days he's going to live. Take it at any time in American culture or worldwide culture. somebody tell you they're fixing to die and they do and then they tell you why because look you say well

what do you tell them to do he said to him going to all the world and preach the good news tell them about my dying and being resurrected start that right there and see how far you can go well that's what I did yesterday the morning I just told them that Jesus had come to die for their sins to remove their sins. And three days later, he was resurrected because that's in there too. I'll not only forgive you of your sins, I will raise you, I promise, from the dead,

and I'm standing here talking to you, and you know I died, and I've beaten death. You won't end on this action? That's basically what he's saying. Matthew, Mark, Luke 922, always in the middle. It's in the middle of the writing. You say, all the things he's done sends out the 12, Peter's confession, Jesus feeds the 5,000, the parable of the soar, we go over all. It's a dead girl and a sick woman, the healing.

Well, what did he say? Luke recorded, the son of man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders, the chief priest, the teachers of the law. The most religious people on earth were the ones that took the hardest. stand against him. It's amazing. And he must be killed and on the third day be raised alive. So you get the end of Luke. And if you look carefully at the top of your page all the way through, you read about Jesus's death. That's what Matthew said. That's what Mark said at the end of their letter. At the end of their work. Jesus is death. Jesus is burial. The resurrection. Well, he's already told them. That's what I'm going to do. So get ready. And a lot of

I'm like, whoa, whoa, hey, whoa, they doubted. So, the resurrection. The son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful man, be crucified, and on the third day be raised again. That must happen. Then they remembered his word. They're saying, he's putting all this thing together. Well, fast forward 2,000 years, and a lot of people don't even keep the main thing.

Jesus is death, his barely is resurrection, go baptize them. I mean, what the world else would you want? And to this day, a lot of people still just go around the death, barrel, and resurrection of Jesus. So, and you get to the book of John, that's John 12 in the middle. It's in the middle. He's already performed miracle after miracle after miracle. Well, guess what he says with John Levin says. I'm the resurrection and the life. He who believes in me will, even though he dies, he'll live and believe in me. He'll never die. You believe this?

So if you look at all this, everything is tied to God becoming flesh, dying on a cross, being buried, raised from the dead. The one who pulled this off is tattled them exactly, and they still are saying, what? Therefore, when you get to modern day, we just ought to keep up with what Matthew said, what Mark said, what Luke said, and what John said. Do what they said and the response, repent and be baptized. Go make disciples and baptize them. There'll be my kingdom. I'm the king. That's all worked into this. So you look at it. It's not complex. at all. It's really not. But it's only not complex if you believe it. And you must believe it,

or you'll be thrown out of the, never, never even in it, never even knew it passed you by. So that was my little warm-up just to let you know. That was the most celebrating thing that ever happened. Well, I think the point is, and you bring up a good point, you're like, well, how come people don't believe? it. And I think it's because everything you just said, most people are not going to believe that the promised Messiah, the eternal God is going to come to earth and suffer and die. That's right. With every other religion, every other person of power, the last thing that they would do is suffer and die.

You are correct. So even, you know, what I began saying before your rant is that, you know, when you look at what Jesus did, you just think about the three things before his burial that happened. These are all things that we would like to receive but not do. You think about it, but there's disciples, he washed their feet. Well, everyone would love to have someone. do something nice for them. If you were, you know, I made a quote one time, I spent most of my time, you know, showing up.

Knowing you're going to be killed. Yeah, showing up late and dirty. But Jesus does something that you wouldn't think a person in power would do. He washed the side of his feet. Well, then what did he do? Did he give them a theory or did he give them some kind of theology on why he had to die? No, he gave him a meal.

which sounds great when you go to a fantastic meal to go back to the Ray Mountain bet these people showed up because those fish were good but when you're hosting the meal all of us know that that's a lot of work that goes into that and there's a reason Jesus on purpose set up the meal there's a reason he set up entering on a donkey I mean he was doing all the work and he was the one being humble well then you go and to the cross, well, we're all for criminals being punished. In any world, any country, you know, we're for that. But here is the leader of this new kingdom being crucified, being punished

capitally for something that he didn't do. And he's not only doing that and enduring it, he's volunteering to do it. But they should have understood more. But it's a, it's a tough thing to say you're going to do, you're going to do what? But Phil, what up? When you die, you ain't coming back. Yeah, but just what I'm saying is the never, no one's ever looking at that as something great and powerful and wise. Those, those are the opposite.

Those are for lesser people to wash somebody's feet, to host a meal. That's, that's for servants. That's, that's not, if, if you're going to be. somebody, you're not going to do that. And you would never volunteer to suffer and die. You just wouldn't do it. So I think it's more about a definition of power. It's about what God's kingdom looks like.

And, you know, Paul's going to address that in all his letters to the churches when he said he chose the foolishness of the cross to shame the wise. What was the third thing, jazz? You had washes their feet, fed him a meal. what was the third thing? And the cross itself. Oh, the cross. Voluntarily going to a,

you just, I'm saying people don't, they reject Jesus because they see a cross and say, well, how was that a good thing? These religious people that Jesus was trying to convert,

was there, here's, you stiff-necked and uncircumcised hearts and ears, you're just like your fathers. You always resist the Holy Spirit. Was there ever a, prophet your fathers did not persecute they even kill those who predicted the coming of the righteous

one and now you betrayed and murdered him yeah you who have received the law that was put into infect two angels and have not obeyed so that is the that's the thrust of the matter what they should have to your point to the point there that jesus is he's attacking the fact that they rejected the prophets. When you were, when y'all were talking about that, I was thinking about all the servant songs in Isaiah 53. You got the,

you got the picture of the suffering servant. I mean, so these, the nuggets of how the kingdom would come, they were there in the Old Testament. I mean, it's what the prophets talked about. I mean,

you read here, he was oppressed, he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth, like a lamb that has led to the slaughter, like a sheep. This is Old Testament. This is from the prophet Isaiah, like a sheep that bore its shears is silent. So he opened not his mouth. By oppression and judgment, he was taken away.

And as for this generation, who considered that he was cut off out of the land of the living, stricken for the transgressions of my people. And they made his grave with the wicked and with the rich man in his death. And that's obviously prophetic of Joseph of Arimathea. Although he had done no violence and there was no deceit in his mouth. And this goes on and on about, you know, this is the picture that was painted even in the Old Testament. And they missed it. And so when one of the things I love about the Gospels is it's not just, it's not just the proclamation of the death, barrier, and resurrection, Jesus. It's also connecting it with the coming of the king and the kingdom, meaning like this is what the whole Old Testament was talking, all the prophets, everything they wrote.

This is it. This is where it's happening. And so you see even like at Jesus' baptism, which is kind of a precursor of his death, barrier, and resurrection, think about this. Those people, he was baptized in the Jordan River, which was the river that was part of when they were coming out of bondage into the promised land. And when they did that, they, they sin wickedly, and all the kings of Israel and the majority of the kings of Judah were wicked. And so they were coming back to John the Baptist to be baptized for repentance and some kind of renewal movement. And so think about all the sin. They were going into the water sinful to have their sins removed and to be clean and to come out clean.

And then Jesus goes in the water clean and takes on the sins of the people. I mean, so it's even more than just him dying an innocent man. he's taking on the guilt of of the people. They go in, sinful, come out clean. He goes in clean and takes on their sin, takes on our sin. And that's what's happening at the cross here is that Christ is taking on the sins of the people, and he was spotless. And that substitutionary atonement is key to understanding the nature of who God is. And certainly key to understanding the power dynamics that are shifting, or maybe not shifting,

but the God is showing us in the new kingdom that Jace talked about. Stephen brings this up. So what they did to him was kill and dragged him out of the city and went to stone him. And Saul was there, the Apostle Paul that's fixing to come, and Saul was there given approval to his death. Saul began to destroy the church going from house to house, be dragged off men and women and put in prison. This was a rough deal. But it ends up when they believed Philip,

as he preached the good news of the kingdom, which included Saul and all of them, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized both men and women. Simon himself believed them baptized. So you get to looking at it. They're winning a few and losing out on some more. So, yeah, my point is, and I agree with what y'all said, my whole point was, and it's where we left off, which is about where we're ending today.

But in Luke 23, 5, when they bring Jesus before Pilate, they insisted he stirs up the people all over Judea by his teaching. He started in Galilee and has come all the way here. And my point is, that's why the leaders of the day, Herod and Pilate, they tried to have a theological discussion with him because of this charge. He's out here teaching this theology that, and he's become a threat. And my point is, what Jesus did is what separates him above anybody else that ever made this claim or claim. tried to lead a revolution or rebel against authority. What he did was interactions with people. He didn't grab his 12 disciples that night and say,

okay, here's the speech. Now, I'm going to explain all this to you because you're not getting it to your point. He didn't do that. He washed their feet and he had a meal. And he then died on a cross. It wasn't, he had every chance to opine or, on all of the teachings of God that he was representing. And he didn't say a word most of the time.

Even when Herod, remember when he was at it with, he just. Which was prophesied in Isaiah 53. True, but my point is, my point is, why am I making such a big deal about this? Because this is about him rescuing people and then using the very same people that he created to be, him on this earth. It's deeper than just some kind of theology. That's all we do is talk about thoughts and theology and what does it mean? He didn't do that. He did these interactions. After the cross, he was resurrected, but then what he did? He had a meal and ate fish. He was trying to show you that God is visiting humans. And there is a plan here.

and I'm going to show you the character of God by which then you can be moved, surrendered to, and then do likewise. It was all an interaction with people. And to go back to that same bet, the reason you lost that bet is because what Jesus offers and what he did on a cross in the moments before and after is still just as appealing today. it brings people from out of their closets, their living rooms, and they have a meal, and you share Jesus, and you see the love. I saw five new ones. Yeah. And I think we miss that when we try to view this and read this the crucifixion from a theological standpoint.

It was just, it was an act from a man claiming to be God that was like no other in the history of the world. Well, as you did it, you tied in from Codney. rolled open to close. If we can do that every episode week, that would be. Yeah, that was good. Perfect tie up together. So we're out of time. We'll pick this up.

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