Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 830 | Phil Could Be a Great-Great-Grandpa Soon, a Wedding Announcement & Who’s on ‘American Idol’?

Episode Date: February 5, 2024

An exciting announcement means Phil might become a great-great-grandfather during his lifetime, and a tech mishap leads Jase on a hazy walk down memory lane. Another announcement includes members of the family who are set to appear on “American Idol” this season, and Jersey Joe finds himself on the cusp of joining the Robertson clan. The guys break down the specifics of Jesus’ death on a cross and the single main point of the new covenant.  In this episode: Luke 23, verses 26-56 -- Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? Welcome back to Unashamed, the smoky hour. I was wondering if anyone was going to address that Zach evidently has picked up a nasty habit. Or your building may be on fire, Zach. Do you hear any sirens alarms? For those of you, for those of you listening and not watching, for those YouTubers, or however you're watching, you will notice that Zach's studio, his camera, something, he's got a kind of an old-fashioned smoky haze going. And we noticed it right off, of course.

And so we were trying to figure out what has caused it. I'm going to, I get the first guess. As a now a movie mogul, Zach has decided to change the mood. So every time it goes to Zach, we need some background. old bar type music. The old 40s, 40s music. Do I look John just a little bit?

I feel like I look a little. Yeah, Zach thought he had fatty liver again when he saw himself in the monitor. It's kind of a grayish, but there's a gray tone to it. I don't know what happened. I can't figure it out. Maddie,

you got to call Cole and figure out what happened. I hope you can fix this in post. But we'll, I guess we'll have to, now that this, Jay said at the beginning, this is what separates our podcast from the rest. We just enter into the chaos. You get to see how the sausage is made.

You just go for it. We are breaking the fourth wall here. I don't know what's going on. I'm not a camera guy, but I've turned everything on this morning. I can turn stuff on, but I don't know past that. That's my thought.

Well, I will say, Zach, it was nostalgic for me because it took me back to my childhood in teenage years when my grandparents smoked between the two of them, six packs a day. And that was broken down, but five packs for my grandpa, one for my grandmother. And so when you would walk into their house to play a game of dominoes, it looked just like your studio looks. And you knew they were in there because you could hear them talking, but you couldn't see

them. So you would have to like part the, part the smoke. And then there they'd be. I remember having a moment when I was a teenager where, I realized that the walls were originally painted white. That's not yellow paint. And the ceiling. And the ceiling was yellow too.

Remember? There was some cigarette smoking going on in there. I think if you just hung out there for a couple hours, it's the equivalent of smoking a pack of cigarettes just being in there. Well, there's no doubt. Because, you know, I have all these sinus issues. And God bless our fan base out there for giving me all these home remedies. But I'm telling you now, you know what happened.

I grew up in that environment. You're talking about secondhand smoke. I was a heavy smoker from 10 until about, you know, until I left. When did Maul cash in? When did she die? 96. It finally got her. Therefore, the truth was 96.

Smoke, cigarette smoke or not. She got 96 years out of it. She did quit later on in life. She did. Yeah, when they got up to, what, a dollar a pack or something, it was a money thing. They got to a certain price, and she says, her and Paul said, I'm done. Well, it's funny because she smoked like her generation most of her life, but she would always quit for every child. You know, when she was her years, she had seven children.

She quit during her pregnant years, and then she picked it back up. And then she quit again later in life. You're right. No, I think it's proven it's bad for you. Look, we had to pause. We watched a movie last. like Missy got back from Nashville, so we had movie night. And she picked this movie called The Hill.

It has, what's that guy's name? Dennis Quaid. And which I know you're already wondering, oh, is this a good movie? All parents of Little League Baseball should watch that movie. Because there's an underlying theme about parents trying to continue their career. through their kids. And so that was an underlying theme to it, but I really appreciate that.

But we had to pause the movie because Missy was like, this is too unrealistic, the first five minutes. And I was like, babe, this is my childhood. I'm watching it.

She's like, no one is spitting in a spittoon during church, spitting tobacco. I was like, oh yeah, this was a thing. It's a real deal.

She's like, no one is, smoking in a church building while the preacher is preaching. I said, oh yeah, this is the thing. That happened. That's a real deal. And they had one rig with all the people in it, like the old big Chrysler. And you didn't, it wasn't whether you had an open seat or not. You just made it work. Well, and the problem is when we would go to church and you had all the boys sitting next to each other, there was a tendency to, you didn't like being a in each other's physical space. And so a lot of fights would break out.

And, you know, we mentioned the rule many times on this podcast. Dad had a rule. If there was ever any meat popping was the way he put it. You know, any fisticuffs that broke out, then somebody was getting a whipping. So there were quite a few Sundays who were mostly Jason Willie, but some of us would get a whipping when we got home for fighting in the car. Oh, that was some subtle things in this movie that was so funny. So they got like nine people.

crammed in a five-seat vehicle. And the only space in the vehicle was a two-feet space in between the grandma and the kids. They're all piled over on one side and there's a little space there because that's the last place you wanted to be close to because you'd get head thumped in a heartbeat. Oh, I thought it was a really good movie. I mean, the theology, because the main characters are preacher, theology was, you know, which I think representative of a lot of churches, it was a little legalistic. Not a little. It was a lot.

And it just, there was a, really a chasm in between what goes on in a building and what you're supposed to be doing outside the building. But anyway, that's a topic for another day. But overall, it was a true story and a fascinating story. And I'm glad they told it. I mean, I think it's PG. There's three or four cast words in it. But it's a family-oriented movie. Well, historical irony, Jays, the name of the bar that is when there were several bars featured in the blind,

but the name of the bar that we actually ran, that mom and dad actually ran the bar, the name of it was the hill. And when you said that, I thought, oh, now they've made a movie about the bar we were in, but they went a different. I'm assuming that's the pitching mound, right, the hill. Well, it was a, what do you call it, movie mogul, when the last name of the family was heel. Oh, okay. And the son was a baseball player where there is a heel. He actually wasn't a pitcher, but.

Double entendre. Double entendre. That's what I was looking for. Well, that's what the blind was. It was a double entendre. It was. What does that mean? And I'm like, well, a dope blind.

There we go. Rim shot. All right, since you got you. I'm glad I could bring you guys back down memory lane. Oh, it's funny, Zach. I think, yeah. Memories. It's good.

I think I'm going to get Zach a smoking jacket for his birthday. Well, they always say it's hard to be funny, but Zach has a way of just showing up and laughter ensues. what's comical about it is I'm down here at the Southern Lair, totally on my own, basically producing my side of phase, Zach, who is the mogul of our entire production empire, and it is just one series of mishaps after another. It said the other day.

He said something about me, I'm notorious late. What was it? You got on to me up being notorious late. I'm notoriously late for everyone. everything. Yeah, you are. I feel like I'm like a chicken with my, I'm running around like a chicken with my head cut off of what Phil says I'm, I'm beating aimlessly against the end. So, so, Jay, since you've got the buttons there, I need some breaking news music. This is the hardest one to pull off because you have to push you twice. You have to double tap it.

There we go. Breaking news. So I teased, it's funny because I'm ashamed nation, you guys, you listen carefully. So the last time Jersey Joe's name came up, I made one little comment about there being, I think I said family drama was the line of you. I just said, yeah, we got some family stuff going on. That's what I said. And then I didn't say anything else about it. I said something like I have to tell you later. With a couple of listeners, I sent me notes that said, does this have anything to do with your granddaughter dating Jersey Joe's son? And I was like, you people are on top of what we're talking about because that was a there you go you get the applause so dad we now officially have the merging of the

robertson stone family with the con jimmy's jersey joe all the way from new jersey their son their youngest son has been dating my oldest granddaughter and so he popped the question friday night and what's funny is we were in in Harlan, Iowa, Lisa and I were speaking up there for Fresh Road Media at the Higher Ground Conference. And so we're in the audience and someone's up on stage. And I knew he was going to ask her, but you know, we're all caught up in the, now we're ready to speak mode. And so I just didn't think about it anymore. I looked down in Anna's FaceTime of me.

And I knew what that meant. I meant that she was fixing to come home from the big proposal. So Lisa and I went in another room. And of course, she comes in. Everybody's excited. Joe and Christine are there. and they're filming everything. And Jay, she'll appreciate this.

So they're showing me who all's in the room. And I'm expecting just my immediate little family there. And there's Reed who's sitting there. And I was like, oh, Reed, I didn't know you. You were coming over for the big reveal, you know. And he said, hey, I just happened to come over for dinner. And so he just happened to be sitting at the table and all this is going down. She comes in, tells us about it.

Because we all knew because we knew he had asked Jay in the deer stand. And then Jay said, yes. And then he shot a deer, a buck that walked out that they've been looking for. So I assume that was the almighty giving the blessing because of the deer kill when he asked. And then so then, but I got a little of her climp. I'll admit it. I've been praying for my oldest granddaughter for her whole life about the man she was going to spend her life with. And so it was kind of neat for me.

And then I had prayer for them and their marriage. And so then we went out and spoke to this group in Iowa. and I told them about it, and it was funny because Lisa said how old they were. And so they all clapped. But I looked at their faces and several of them were like, so in Louisiana, I guess getting married at 18 is a good thing. You know, because they had to look like, I'm not so sure about that. So I could tell. I said, well, you know, there's at least four generations of teenage brides in my chain.

And dad, it started with you and mom, teenagers. then Lisa and I, we were teenagers, and then my daughter, Anna, she was only 18 when she married Jay, who is 10 years older than her, and now Carly. But I told him, I was like, look, I know what the statistics say in America about teenagers and a lot of divorce. But in our family, mom and dad have been together for over 60 years. Lisa and I 40, Jay and Anna, 20. And so now Carly's getting married. So for whatever reason, it seems to work for us that we kind of grow up together. as long as we have the right community around each other.

So anyway, that's my breaking news. We now have a new, dad, you now have your great granddaughter is getting married, which means you may have great, great grandchildren in this life. Does that make you feel? No feeling yet. We'll see how it works. You know, you get reports. Boy, they're doing great or, oh, you need to.

to talk to your grandchildren. Backproof meetings, you know. Sit down there. I call them come to Jesus meeting. That's having a wait and see a press. Now I figured out, Al, I don't want to embrace anything just on the face of it. I'm saying, yeah, we'll see. Now I figured out why Jersey Joe thought we needed to work on our relationship because this was his first year of duck hunting.

Exactly. And I have been nominated the captain of the duck blind to tell people when they do things wrong or what we need to work on. And so it was bumpy. Because when you're a new duck hunter, it's just hard to understand how things work. But I will say Jay does a very good job of that with some of the in-laws that have been married into our family. and because he really made a big deal about a couple of them bringing their cell phones to the duck blind. And so while we're waiting for the ducks, they're over there on their phones. And so a little birdie told me he had a meeting with the young ewes who had married some of your granddaughters and said,

hey, find some way to do something to be a part of the team. And you leave that cell phone at the layer when you can. come out. And I thought that was really good guidance and instruction. No, I think that's pretty good. Let's take our first break. Zach, since we're doing breaking news, can you talk about what your kids have been involved with? Can you talk about that yet? I can. Yeah. So Max and Layla. Let me just, let me update. So a while back, and I don't know how many podcasts ago, was Zach had a mystery trip to L.A. And all of a sudden, all we heard was Zach won't be on

the podcast this week because he's going to be in LA. So we assumed, we didn't know what he was doing, but we knew he was up to something. And then later we found out what it was, but we couldn't talk about it. So now, Zach, I'm not sure how it even, yeah, not even sure how it happened, except that, because neither one of them have a really big social media following or anything. But, uh, but Max does play down at the, this place in town called the collective. And there's another restaurant in Black Mountain, um, that he plays out a lot, um, plays music. So our town's a big tourist town.

So I think people come through and people voice, man, you need to try out for American Idol. And he's like, I'm probably never going to do that. But they reached out to him and Layla both. And so they auditioned for American Idol. And I can't tell you anything past that. But they will be on the show. I think I can say that.

Okay. So the season starts. I should know this. I think February something. Google it. You figure it out. Season starts soon and Max and Lela both are going to be on there. And so, yeah, we've, we can't tell anything else.

Can't tell anything yet. I don't know anything else. This is breaking news to me. Well, Zach, yeah, this is breaking news to breaking news. Zach has definitely kept it close to the best. And so, you know, which is smart. That's what you got to. Well, they've done, you know, Max and Lela both have done music.

Layla sings with Sadie's group called Ella Worship, and she's the lead female vocalist on that. They do a lot of worship songs, and then Max and her both did the thing I think we talked about a few weeks ago. With Shane and Shane. So they cut an album with them with a host of other young people as well. So, I mean, they've been in the kind of Christian music industry or industry, Christian music genre, but they also do like a lot of kind of country folk indie type stuff too. So we'll say what happens. I mean, it's I think, you know, they're fun experience.

But, you know, well, and they're your kids, Zach. I realize you have to maintain a certain decorum of humility. But I'll say from my perspective, they are super talented. And when you hear them get together with Melissa's daughter and then Mia a lot of times and when they do worship stuff, it's amazing. I mean, we have some super gifted vocal kids. It is wild to think about all of our kids and grandkids can sing so well and are musical. I guess some of, I guess, Jace, your wife's musical, but we didn't sit around.

I don't remember sitting around with you guys as cousins singing songs. I don't have any memories of that, do you? No, just, I mean, within my family, you know, Missy is very musical. So a lot of our greatest memories are us as a. family singing to me just tapping the floor. But all of your kids can sing too. All three years. They can sing all three of them.

One of the positive things that came out of it was the recipes of Jersey Joe and his son. Through them, we were introduced to Italian food. And it's been pretty interesting all the way down to a good way to fix ducks Italian style. So the Italian recipes came with the young man that's fixing to marry granddaughter. Yep. So it's. And look, we're going to, we're going to, now we can, we can feature Jersey Joe in some of our cooking stuff. We're doing these cooking segments, which we're super excited about.

So he's officially part of the family now. Well, he doesn't give out his recipes. So are you going to have some kind of intervention? It's going to have to. Well, you guys could do like a Cajun Italian fusion. You know, there's a big fusion. Have you seen the, you guys had the, we do the jumbalaya, which is rice-based recipe, but there's, now it's the pasta laia, which is similar recipe except instead

of rice, you use pasta. I don't know if you guys have had that yet, but it's a Cajun Italian infusion. There's a lot of Italians in South Louisiana, too. Well, one of the ones we may want to feature when we do our thing with Joe. dad is he does a he does a duck meatball

that's delicious he also does a duck meat loaf and these are Italian style of course he calls them you know gravy as well so which I think is pretty good so let me go ahead and mention what we're doing because I think we've mentioned once earlier

we've got this new show that's replacing our overtime content with Blaze TV because had the OTs before, so we're switching over. It starts February 12. It's called Cooking with the Robertsons. And now we can even pull the conjimis into that. The episodes will be released every second and fourth Monday of the month,

which would be exciting. And you go to the same place you used to go for overtime. BlazTV.com slash Robertson is where you sign up. You subscribe and you're going to get these cooking episodes that we're doing. And we've already done a couple. They turned out great. I really think this is going to be fun for everybody. And right now, Blaze has given $30 off your subscription if you go sign up.

Use the promo code Robertson 30. And so you get all the things that Blaze has to offer, but you're also going to get a year's worth of cooking with the Robertson. So a lot of fun stuff. We started with the duck recipes and Louisiana style. So now we've made way for our Jersey Joe to kind of add to that. But it's going to be hard to beat the gumbo we just made. It was a good one.

From Mallard Duck, but it was outstanding. Was that the first cook you did? Was a duck gumbo? Yeah, we did a duck gumbo. I just oversaw it, you know, made sure that things were, Rue got to be the right texture and all that. So it turned out great. I mean, it were very good.

And what's fun about it, Zach, is you get to all the characters and people we talk about on the podcast and they've been on here are part of it. Because Burley makes an appearance because he's dad's wingman for the duck gumbo. Yeah, I taught him how to make him. And now he was there kind of monitoring the situation. But it turned out wonderful. Yeah, so it's going to be a lot of fun. Oh, that this may be the most valuable offering that we've had that we're going to give you guys the keys to some of our best recipes, which, by the way, I would say if you listen to the show, you know, we talk about food a lot. So if there's something you want to see us, cook, and by us, I mean, Phil, Jason, I might jump in there and do a jambalaya.

I think you should, Zat. Zach is, Zach took over the one of the dad makes a jumbaya, and then my uncle Jim, Gimber used to make a really good one. And Zach has been doing his recipe, I think, is where you got it. But he can, Jack can make one that can feed, you know, 100 people. I mean, it's a big, it's a big dish. He can do them big or do them little. So, yeah, I think it's going to be some cool stuff.

Jason is a good cook as well, Jason and Missy. So we're going to have some fun. But let us know what you want us to cook. I know one that I'm requesting next time I'm in town is the opalice of catfish. Ooh, we got to do that. I would like to get in on. The question is, who's going to catch them? Somebody has to catch the catch.

I'll do it. The red neck up the road. I'll do it because we can film that aspect of it. That would be fun. Yeah. What month is it right now? Oh, it's coming up. Rivers on the rise right now.

It's up a little over 30 feet. It's dangerous right now. 21, 2 is a pool stage. And it's coming up. I feel getting the river stage. there'll be a test later so the rivers our rivers rise which is good for catching

catfish some people don't pay attention when the river's rising but we are a family group that pays careful attention to watch it. Dad the line you always used to people you would say they said well Phil do you live on the river and dad would always say yeah we live on the river and sometimes we live in the river That's it.

Exactly. You better be ready for it. That's all I know. Which is why you got the land so cheap. Always remember, if land is really cheap, there's a reason. Because about once every four or five years, there's no land. All water. The problem that mom and dad had was back in the mid-70s, the land was cheap.

But to borrow money back then, you think our interest rates are bad now. people that live through the 70s realize it could be a lot worse. I think mom and dad's interest rate was about 20% on that property they bought. So there's no telling how much dad you ultimately paid for that property over time. Yep. Probably a lot more. But you're still there and it's still producing fish. And so that's a blessing.

So, Jay, we're going to commission you for that episode. Yeah. I have a certain set of skills. Several hundred ducks. I won't go into exact details, but it was all legal. We're made by us chasing ducks. In other words, a lot of meals came out of that. We were eating the ducks as we were harvesting them.

But it ended up pretty good duck season. Yep. Well, and then we've talked about before we may have to do the episode with the duck fries. We figured out how to fry duck, and it's very delicious. It's the only duck season we've ever had that were, all of the territory that we have the duck blinds, a percentage of it didn't even have any water the entire duck season. So we've never faced that before.

But as it turned out, now the water comes. As soon as the water started to rise, ice came with it. Everything started locking up all the way down to 11 degrees, and it really helped us because we're, waiting on the ducks to migrate and they were slow and migrating because it was so dry. So, Dad, I got a question for you about that. I just read a report two days ago that had said that Louisiana crawfish were going to be extremely down this year, that they're expecting a terrible year. Is that because of the same phenomenon?

It did it affect crawfish as well? Yeah, yeah, it has a powerful impact on it. This place was, it was an unprecedented, what you call them, a drought. Drought. We had a drought all the whole winter. So we were most fortunate to still do pretty good with the duck hunt. And we survived. But the drought's over.

The drought's over. So what was the deal about the fried duck fingers you said out? We just kind of skipped over that. You dripped it in there. of it. Well, it's a, yeah, you know, you're always looking for new ways to do duck because we were doing it so long. A couple of years ago, we sort of had a happy accident where Jeff forgot to bring some meat and they had some wood ducks out. And I think it was Stone who just came up with the idea that what if we just stripped these wood ducks and then fried them? And then he came out with a whole brine and everything else.

But they are delicious. I mean, it's a really good way to eat duck. And I don't remember, Dad, all the years of us growing up, us ever eating fried duck. But, man, it's turned into quite the, quite the dish. So we may have to include that. It's a great way to cook ducks. Just strip them, soak them in. Buttermilk, I think. Butterm.

Well, you got to subscribe to get all the details. That's right. How do they subscribe, Zad? Tell them how to subscribe. Yeah, it's blazedtv.com slash Robertson. BlazTV.com slash Robertson. You guys get it. Is it, you said 30 bucks off?

Yeah, 30 bucks off a sub, which is a great time to do it. And I'll do what we call the running with the ops. Only about 25 people know what that means. But every year. But they'll find out. In April and May, there's an event that happens that's called running with the ops. So running with the bulls, but running with the ops. I like it.

Opsis short for Apollusus catfish. Apollus catfish. That's your clue. Big gellas, flatheads. There's a lot of different names. All right. So we're ready to get back to the Book of Luke? Let's do it.

So in the last podcast, we read this section, which is the actual crucifixion. And Jason mentioned kind of in the lead up to that. And he's so right that, you know, we don't actually just read what happened a lot. I mean, we tend to talk. about the implications about his crucifixion and what it means to us. And, of course, when you go over and read the epistles, which is all the letters that were written to the churches, you know, Paul, who's the main writer and Peter, they do a lot of description about what the crucifixion meant.

But when you just actually read what happened, which is what they did on the last podcast, it's a brutal, I don't know, just it's a, I guess you call it bittersweet because it's terrible and yet you know it had to happen. So it's kind of a weird read. And so when I was reading it, Jay's getting ready for our podcast, you really need to read the other gospels version as you're reading it. So I was just popping around and reading all four together so you can kind of get the whole picture of exactly what happened. Because look, this, it was just a few hours is how long this lasted. But there's a lot of significance that comes out of the moments of what happened. And I guess it starts where we picked up in our reading in Luke 23, 26, where he's going toward, you know, back in the day, what they did was you had to carry your own cross.

And the idea was, is that, you know, this was part of the shame walk of you, you know, being executed. And in this case, there's a man there. And then he carries Jesus's cross and Jesus walks along behind him. And, of course, when you see like the passion depicted, it was like, you know, like, you. Jesus couldn't care it because he was so badly beaten. And that may have been the case. I don't know. But anyway, he shares that.

What needs to be remembered, the last latter part of Luke, down to the last page, Jesus said to them, this is post-resurrection. This is what I told you while I was still with you. Everything must be fulfilled. Now, just think about this. everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the law of Moses, the prophets, and the Psalms, which we've gone back and forth, back and forth to back and forth. Then he opened their minds, because they were a hard time catching it,

then he opened their minds so they could understand the scriptures. He told them, and this is what's written for anybody who ever comes along, after that, after the post-resurrection, stayed 40 days and audios. He told them this is what is written, and this is what you got to come to get a grip on. The Christ must suffer and rise from the dead on the third day. And repentance, the good news coming out of it, and forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations. which it has been proven to be true, beginning at Jerusalem. You are witnesses of these things.

I'm going to send you what my father has promised. He's talking about the Spirit, God's Holy Spirit, but stay in the city until you've been clothed with power from on high. So that right there is brought, all of it is brought together in about this much territory. And that's what we've been putting forth. That right there is where it ends. And it's still going on to this day.

And Dad, you bring up a great point because Luke's perspective is a little broader than some of the other gospel writers. That's right. And he gives us that picture. And so the last thing we did, Jason, we left off was Luke is the only one that mentions this sort of another mention of what was going to happen. in Jerusalem by addressing the women who were coming along behind him. He still, Luke still stays very focused on what's going to happen in terms of the gospel message and what this means. What does all this mean?

And so we mentioned that last time as well. Yeah. There's another thing too that Jace brought up that I think as we kind of move into this section of scripture, it's a good time to, to kind of set, I think, a really good groundwork for how we interpret the Gospels. Jace brought up, well, you actually think you brought it up about the mention of the destruction of Jerusalem here, which Jase then asked the question. Like, how do we get there?

And then he went, I mean, it's really good. You got to go back and listen to the last episode at the end if you didn't catch this. I went to Josea 10 and ended up in Romans 9, 25, and 26. I believe, but it was really interpreting a lot of what has happening here through that lens of the Old Testament. And I think there's a lot here that's coming up, too, with the tearing of the temple, curtain and things that. A lot of what you're seeing here, if you disregard kind of all of Israel's prophetic direction towards a Messiah for Israel, you're going to miss this. And I was just reading this morning with N.T. Wright was talking about one of the ways we misread the Gospels is we interpret it simply as Jesus is the Christian Messiah. He said, no, Jesus is the Messiah of Israel. He is the Messiah of the Old Testament. He is the one that the Old Testament pointed to. This is, this is something. What is happening here is, is that inauguration and the consummation of his kingdom. That's it. That's the life and the death of Jesus is what's, what's being brought forth here.

So I think that I just want to mention that because I thought that was really interesting when Jace brought that up about Jose 10 verse 8 and that that's what he was referencing. You're going to see a lot of that in the rest of the story here. And the same language, Luke uses the same language about the women and what's going to happen to them that he used in Luke 21, which back when we were studying that, it shows you this idea about Jerusalem being destructive. and that being the sort of official end of this era of everything that's happened. But make no doubt about it, it was all fulfilled, as Dad just read, in Christ when he died, was buried and resurrected.

It's mentioned what happened to the Apostle Paul. Now, what are you waiting for? Get up, be baptized, and wash your sins away, calling on his name. That particular statement is duplicated 10 times in the book. of Acts, 10 different times, beginning with the people that Peter preached to. If you just carried it on forward, it's the same story. Jesus died, was buried and raised from the dead. It just keeps going back to it.

One conversion story after another. Ten times, same thing. Hear, believe, repent, be baptized. What's interesting, I was telling Missy, you know, about this passage we're in in Luke 23, because she said, the podcast go. And I basically quoted it from memory where we left off about when Jesus, you know, he has the cross.

I mean, he's, he's just, you know, Simon is carrying the cross. He's going down the road to be crucified and he stops, which is an awkward place to stop and see these women mourning. And Missy interrupted me and she said, wait a minute, where's that at? And she had never even noticed it. I said, well, I didn't notice it until I was studying Luke. It's the only time it's mentioned in the Gospels. Yeah.

And I read it and kind of went through the Hosea thing because he quotes Hosea 10, 8 in verse, what is that, 30? And Jesus had to lay around the entire thing, one after the other, after the other, after the other. But what's to feel, let me read that real quick, Jay. It says, first 30, that says, then they will begin to say to the mountains, fall on us and to the hills cover us. So it's a judgment, it's a judgment picture of suffering that's going to take place. And we know this because historically we watched it happen.

And so that's the whole idea. It's this judgment of rejecting Christ. So it's a powerful scene. And you're right, Jay's the timing of it, of him having this conversation. and Luke including it because it fits this whole narrative that we've been pointing to about the temple and the renewal and all of it's going to happen in Jesus himself. And really, once we get into this, which is what I want to talk about with the rest today and next podcast, every statement that Jesus makes both going to the cross and on the cross, almost everyone is tied into some sort of prophecy that's pointing to that moment. It may not be in Luke, but it's in one of the other gospel.

So all of them play a role in what dad read, this idea that it all is in him and that everything is concluded and fulfilled in who he is. No one gets out of here alive unless they go through Jesus. Yes, right. We don't need another. We don't need another prophet. Let's take our last. Well, I think that's one thing we kind of missed to Zach's point, because we generally just say, well, Jesus died for our sins. And he did.

and we camp out there. But when you read all the four gospel accounts, we've gone through all four gospels. I mean, Luke was the last one we've gone through. But you actually see that there was a lot more going on when you actually read the accounts, the story as it's told. I mean, you always have this sense of when God does his best,

which is humbling himself, in Jesus on a cross. Well, what does the evil side of things do? Well, they rise up to give their very worst. Because, you know, we're not too far removed from Satan using Judas to betray. And, you know, you get into those passages in 1st Corinthians, too, that, you know, none of the rulers understood what was going on because if they would have. And so, so, you know, he disarmed the evil world themselves in this act.

And you can see that in John 12. And, you know, he brings that up. It's brought up in the Corinthian letter that also that if the people had known, if Satan had known exactly how this was going to play out, he wouldn't have had him. Well, exactly. And it's not just that. It's this idea of the new kingdom that Jesus is bringing in,

and you really see it in what we've read in Luke, that by him doing this, you know, and to feed off of what John... Satan got slick in the deal. Yeah, to feed off what John said, you have the image of God, which obviously has to do with this new temple. being brought about. And I think you see that's why he brought this up here, which is what Missy and I's conversation revolved around.

Because what's funny is I went through and read the Hebrews 10, the whole chapter to Missy last night. And I said, well, the reason that was so significant, and I brought up the Romans 9, 24, and 25, and I'll read it again, 25 and 26, where he quotes Josea saying that he will call them, my people who are not my people and I will call her my loved one who is not my loved one, it will happen that in the very place where it was said to them,

you are not my people, they will be called sons of the living God. I mean, this is the creator of the universe reclaiming his people. And when you look at John's perspective, you get an idea of this new genesis, this new exodus, which is why he chose to have the meal, with the Passover of those things coming together by Jesus dying and being buried and being raised. Well, during that course of that study, the point I want to make is I said the same thing. Phil just said that this was according to the scriptures. And I brought up 1st Corinthians 15, 1 through 4, which is probably the most quoted passage in the letters.

Because Paul reminds the Corinthians of the gospel that Jesus died and was buried and resurrected. then you have all these proofs of hundreds of people seeing the resurrected Lord. But one little phrase in 1st Corinthians 15 that said three different times that says Jesus died according to the scriptures. Well, what scriptures? And my answer to Missy and my answer today is all of them. They were all, the Old Testament was pointing to this event. And when I looked in my life.

little margin beside my Bible. When it said, according to the scriptures, it had Josea 6. And I was like, Josea 6. I quoted chapter 1 and verse 21, chapter 2, we went through 10. So then I went and read Josea 6, and I think you'll find this interesting. One through, well, I'll just read the first three or four verses. He said, come let us return to the Lord. He has torn us to pieces, but he will heal us.

He has injured us, but he will bind up our wounds. After two days, he will revive us, and on the third day, he will restore us, that we may live in his presence. Well, what do you think Jose is pointing toward? After three days, he's going to restore us so that we may live in his presence? I think he's looking to Jesus and what happened on the cross and in the empty tomb. God has revealed it. to us by his spirit. No eye, I think, look at that.

None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they had, they wouldn't have crucified the Lord of glory. However, as it's written, no eye has seen, no ear has heard, no mind has conceived, what God has prepared for those who love him, but God has revealed it by his spirit. Exactly, and the spirit will be poured out, which is another thing that happened. And so in our immediate text on why Jesus would make this curious dialogue in amongst him, you know, being led to the cross, Simon Carrey. And he says, daughters, you know, don't weep for me, weep for yourselves and for your children. And I think there's an underlying point here of saying this is fixed to be the greatest thing that's ever happened.

Don't weep for me as I'm going. We speak of God's secret wisdom of wisdom that has been. been hidden and that God destined for our glory. None of the rulers of this age understood it. None. For if they had, they wouldn't have crucified the Lord of the Lord. So I do think he was subtly saying that to your point. But then he also predicts this what's going to happen in AD 70 by saying, blessed are the barren women, the wounds that never bore and the breasts that never nurse. Then they will say to the mountains fall on us and to the hills cover. us for if men do these things when the tree is green, speaking of what he's fixed to do

and what they're doing to him. And it's not going to be tried to what men do and this new thing. This whole thing is coming down and we're starting all over again. Well, yeah, the temple, the temple that was going to happen. So I think the severity of it, and I looked up a few things just to, you know, Because we didn't, I mean, that was 2,000 years ago, roughly, when this happened, the destruction of Jerusalem. But if you read Josephus' account, which he says there was over a million deaths, almost 100,000 enslaved, there were multiple mass suicides. Because a lot of the Jewish people, a lot of the Jewish people feared life more than death since they had been captured.

captured. Now, those numbers are disputed by other historians, but it's anywhere from half a million to a million. It's a lot of people. And what I found fascinating is still to this day, to this day, you can go pay 34 euros to see it in Rome. There's the arch of Titus, and it stands today, And it's a picture of the Romans carrying out the showbred, the menorah or the lamp, and the Torah of Roman soldiers carrying that out. And it's still erected today, symbolizing their takeover of Jerusalem in AD 70. I found that fascinating. I'm like, why would you still have that up as a positive thing, you know? I want to try to tie this up a little bit, not a bow on it, to tie this up, because what Phil keeps mentioning this about the mystery and it being hidden, you've talked about the prophecy in Hosea.

You've also related it to Romans 9, which most of the time, if we talk about Romans 9, 10, 11, nobody's talking about, or what I think it's really about. Most people are going to talk about what, election, and you're going to get into a big debate on predestination between the Calvinist and the Armenian. And that's like, and that's the point of the text. I don't think that's actually the ultimate point of the text. The ultimate point of the text is the inclusion of the Gentiles into becoming God's part of God's covenant promise. And so when you read the mystery of what Bill was already talking about, this is defined for us by Paul in Ephesians chapter three.

When he says this, he says, this is Ephesians 3. four, five, and six. When you read this, you can perceive my insight into the mystery of Christ, which was made known to the sons of men and other generations as it is, sorry, it was not made known to the sons of men of other generations, even though it was written about in the Old Testament, as it has now been revealed to his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit, to Phil's point earlier, or actually the Bible's point that the Spirit reveals these things. Verse six. The mystery is, he's going to tell us what it is right here.

Here's the mystery that's being revealed that Gentiles are fellow heirs, members of the same body, and partakers of the promise of Christ through the gospel. You say, man, what is that? Why would Jesus bring up this whole collapse of what? what was going on in Israel in 8070, why would he bring this up in the midst of this? Because he's bringing a bigger eschatological point that if you are a gentile, God is opening up salvation to the entire world. He is going to establish and build a multi-ethnic kingdom, which includes Gentiles who are now fellow heirs, members of the same body, and partakers of the

promise in Christ Jesus through the gospel, which is actually occurring right here. This is, it's through this story that Gentiles are included in. That's the point of Romans 9. That's the point of Isaiah's prophecies, Joseus, Ezekiel, like, everything is pointing to this moment. That was the plan from the beginning that all the nations would come uphill, Jews and Gentiles. That's why Paul says in Galatians, in Christ, there's neither male nor female, Greek, nor

Jew. That's why Paul says that the gospel, I'm unashamed of the gospel for it's the power of salvation for all who believes first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. It is Jew and Gentile. Everybody is coming in to God's kingdom now, or at least had the opportunity to come in to God's kingdom through Jesus Christ. So I don't know if that ties it up at all, but. No, it does. Whether you're in a smoky room here in North Carolina. Hopefully Maddie's fix that by now. It's for you and me. I mean, point is it's for you and me it's for all god yeah yeah saved us all right we're at we're out of time we'll uh we'll pick this up on the next unashamed podcast we'll see you there thanks for listening to the unashamed podcast help us out by rating us on iTunes and don't miss an episode by subscribing on

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