Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 832 | Phil Accidentally Gate-Crashes a Veterans’ Party & Jase Finds Out He ‘Died’ Last Year?!

Episode Date: February 8, 2024

Phil accidentally drops in on a group of veterans whom Jase took on a special guided hunt, and Jase stumbles on fake footage of his own death! The guys compare Jesus’ resurrection to a popular ghost movie with a surprise twist and discuss the “embarrassing details” of the Bible’s resurrection accounts.  In this episode: Luke 24, verses 1-24; Revelation 1, verses 5-6; Revelation 5, verses 9-10; Romans 6, verses 6-9; Matthew 27, verse 62 -- Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? Welcome back to Unashame. We feel like we're back where we belong now. I'm back in the layer, which is still has the scent of duck season ending. I've got to get a cleaning person. Well, that happened.

I mean, because look, we shared the podcast room with not only us doing this podcast, but there's been how many hunters come through here in the last, two months. I mean, you got a member, too. We had the Veterans Day hunt, which is a week after duck season, which a portion of that may be on an upcoming in an unashamed podcast near you. It's first got to be viewed. And since there was nobody here, Jace, to actually produce you, we're worried about your content. Yeah, what had happened was that we had an unashamed podcast and nobody told Al, Zach, Phil, or me. But I just happened to be here, and so we did it.

You know, that's the beautiful thing about Unashamed, Zach. Sometimes you just get together and a podcast breaks out. That's what happened. I'm looking on the internet, and I see Chad, Robes show, said, hey, we just filmed the Unashamed podcast. I'm like, what? He did it. I'm like going through and like, is this like a repeat?

Is he like reposting something from the, I was like, No, they actually got together without any of the production crew knowing about it. And you guys filmed a podcast. They did snag one of the guys that actually knows how to turn things on. It wasn't Maddie because we know Maddie's a crack staff. She's our crack staff of once. My orders were airtight and really reachable. Yeah, Phil showed up at the podcast.

But unfortunately, he showed up after it was over. Yeah, and I'm looking around for a while. And I said, once again, they're an easy. here for moral support, I guess, but after about 30 minutes, I said, I'm getting out of here. Well, because then we were doing Robes Show's podcast, and we didn't have a seat for you. No, it was weird. Because what was funny, though, is Phil came in and sat down, and I said, oh, Phil, are you supposed to be in here? And Phil started talking like he was on the podcast, and so there's about three minutes of that footage, Maddie.

Look, where we're just all sitting here. Because Phil's talking, but he didn't have a mic. Nobody's filming. Nobody's on you. It's just in the darkness. Yeah. And finally I said, Phil doesn't have a mic. And, you know, they generally want to stay away from three-minute pauses, a podcast.

Typically. So, so, Maddie. Got to cut that out there in editing. The term fix it in post may be a tall order for this thing. But we'll get there. So hopefully, well, we're giving you a lot of making the sausage here today. normally we had we're pretty much on top of where we're going or what we're doing with a lot of communication but this was an impromptu podcast it was we took nine veterans and we'll talk about

that and robes show is amazing he's just we love him and so then we interned because you got to remember I felt like I was sitting at a table at a card game and I didn't know we were going to play cards and I'm having to play the hand that I'm dealt which was sigh Jay and robes show which sounds to me like you were having a duck car room moment because this sounds like what they do you know they don't nobody knows what they're doing they just show up and play off of whatever size into it happened yeah but i'm sure it was entertaining and inspirational that's funny once it goes through yeah when i put my when i put my headphones on for the podcast today the first thing i hear by the way if my video's not on this is the way i mean it's almost every time if my video's not on where you guys can't

see me and i put my headphones on i would say there's about a 78 percent that you're talking bad about me. And so this morning, Jace was like, oh, Zach really dropped the ball. And I was like, yeah,

no surprise there. But we did see you. So I, and I saw your headphones were on. Oh, you didn't see me? We did see you. I knew you were listed.

Well, just for the record, I can't drop a ball that I never had. So I've never had that ball. So. Well, I was in Virginia and got a text about it. But it was,

unfortunately, it was the day before. So I didn't have a chance to do anything anyway. We were speaking. Well, the positive of that was we took nine veterans hunting, which was interesting, and we'll set that up in that podcast coming up. Because they have a veteran weekend after duck season, which I love that they do that.

Yeah, and in a small way, you're having an act of service because of their service. I mean, in a very small way. And if you're not a vet, you can't hunt. I mean, you can go hunting, you can blow the duck on all that, but you can't shoot, only they can, which I was, I was just guided. Early was the chef. I was the guide, and we had two different groups, and my group only shot one duck. Yeah.

And it wasn't because they weren't shooting. But we'll talk about that later. I've already heard stories about it. It was a good thing to do. We appreciate those guys. Yeah, my appearance was known because somebody looked around there, said there's Phil sitting there and I was like

I said well I'm not on camera so I just I just said yeah well I made it well dad you've even come here it was actually the studio audience dad's dad has learned from all these years of production if you're not on camera and you don't have a microphone

nobody is seeing you or hearing you so you're well outside of a three minute speech he got that you know he did give one speech he told a story which was fun that's a last Without a mic. Without a mic. So we can either sit there and look at each other or y'all can just cut that out. And we're going to fix that in post and talk about it.

So Jason, I need some breaking news. You hit the breaking news. Breaking news. This is twice on this button. There we go. Breaking news. And my formerly, as Rush Limba used to say, my formerly nicotine stained hands. That's what he used to say.

It's been a long time since mine noir. This is a copy of Dad's new book. I could be wrong, but I doubt it, which I thought was a good picture of Dad on the cover as well. So this is it. We've been talking about it a little bit. You can go to I Could Be Wrong, but I doubt it.com. We actually got a website. And you can pre-order the book.

It comes out March the 12th. So we're about a month out. I love the slogan under why Jesus is your greatest hope on earth and in eternity. Yeah. Well said. And I have to say, Dad and I were talking about it. I really, look, this little four-book series Dad has done has been outstanding.

Zach and I have been very involved in producing the books, but this to me is the best one so far. I mean, it's really good. Very Jesus-centered, kind of like our podcast is. And it really just kind of brings everything we taught. A lot of the books, we sort of looked at our ills of culture and kingdom, but this one, like, brings it all home to me. Isn't that the Bible?

It is the Bible. That's exactly what it is. That was my headline. Well, I have some breaking news. Breaking news. One minute. I had an epiphany yesterday during the worship portion. Are you like me when other people are preaching, you're thinking about, you start thinking about things you want to say?

I'm worse than that. I was sitting while everyone. I'm bad about that. I was sitting down while everyone else was standing and seeing. I have my little notebook here, and I was writing, and Missy punched me a couple times and said, we're all standing. I said, hey, I got it. But I'm having a worship moment on paper.

I do get a lot of moments and thoughts. And it's usually sparked by other people's what they're teaching or preaching, but a lot of times it will prompt me. And I'm like, Jays, I have to write it down right then when I'm thinking about it. So y'all thought I talked about the podcast that may never be shown because it wasn't produced, that's for sure. The reason I brought up Phil or Phil interjected that he came and he was supposed to be here, but lack of communication.

Did no win. Production resulted in Phil being the studio audience. Well, in that same vein, yesterday I came really close from saying something because, so I have this epiphany as we're singing these worship songs because I'm thinking about where we're at and Luke. We've been studying for months. We started in Luke 1, the beginning of the gospel, which we talked about a lot. And then all of a sudden we're right at one of my favorite chapters in the Bible,

Luke 24. And I thought, I think we got to stop and not go paragraph by paragraph and get the overall message, because we're now at a moment of history, that is the moment of history. Correct. And so I don't want to miss. I had a fear, like, as we're singing,

in that moment of the podcast, missing the forest for the trees. So with that vein, I was just reading 23 and 24, thinking, what are the principles here? And one of the statements that was just like, I was seeing,

it just in all caps and flashing was, and we'll get to it in detail, but when Mary's at the tomb and these angels are there, you know, you have two in one account, one in the other, and there is a statement in verse five that says, why do you look for the living among the dead? and that just started flashing in my head because I thought that was not a question that the angel was looking for information to an answer. Usually when you ask a question, you're looking for an answer. That was a rhetorical question. It was a rhetorical, but it was also, I would say, therapeutic. And something hit me in that question that.

Mary was treating Jesus like he was dead. Yeah. You know. And when she came there to put more spices on him. I mean, in other words, she had no anticipation of him being alive. The women did. And so it hit me, I thought, we never want to treat Jesus like he's dead. Yeah.

You know, in our life. Right. It's not just a story. that we're reading and that, you know, and we do that even at funerals and we go there, even modern day, Spiritfield people, we go to funerals and we treat them like they're dead. Yeah. And, you know, you look back when we studied the question that was asked to Jesus about what happens when a woman is married seven times, who she married.

to in the afterlife. And of course, he's like, well, to God, all are a lot. Yeah. And so I was thinking in that vein. And so I looked up on my phone. Now, this is during, while we're seeing worship songs, I thought, you know, we do the same thing with just as human beings. We have all these conspiracy theories about, you know, people.

What if they die? And then we're like, well, I don't think they're really dead. And it usually goes back 40. You're talking about like Elvis or Tulip. Oh, Elvis was number one, Tupac, number two. And I noticed the time frame, because I asked you when we first sat down, I said, now when did we decide that Luke was written? Because Luke wrote this much later.

Yeah, most people say early to mid-60s. So it's like. Which would have been 30 years after Jesus. Somewhere in between. I think Luke is around 80. I looked that up when we were talking about that early. Well, some people say that I'm more, because I think the destruction of Jerusalem still hadn't happened.

Hadn't happened because he's predicting it in his writing. Now, he may have been just doing that in the moment. And saying what Jesus said. Saying what Jesus said. But you would almost think he would have to, if it had already happened, he would have had to have commented on what struck me as hard to grasp. When you get to the resurrection of Jesus, the women are going down there to take care of this dead body, Jesus. They entered, they did not find the body of Jesus, Lord Jesus. While they were

wondering about this, now they're wondering about something, they said, well, how many times did he have to say, we're going to Jerusalem, I'm going to, the chief priest and teacher of the law are going to kill me, but in the three days I'll be raised from the dead. Well, it happens, and then now the women are the ones watching it. But while they were, we're on. We're on. wondering about this, suddenly two men enclosed that gleamed like lightning stood beside them, in their fright, the women bowed down with their faces to the ground. But the men said to them, so we've got people who've been with Jesus for the last three years. Why do you look for the living among the dead?

He's not here. He's risen. Remember how he told you? While he was still with in Galilee, the son of man must be delivered to the hands of sin for men, he was. Be crucified, he was. On the third day be raised again. He did. Then they

remembered his words. Now listen to this. When they came back, this part I'm not getting. When they came back from the tomb, the women, they told all these things to the 11, all of, Peter and all of them, and to all the others. It was Mary Magdalene,

Johanna, Mary, the mother of James, the others with them who told this to the apostles. Look, we've seen he's not there. He's risen. But they did not believe the women, Peter and all of them, because their words, here's why it got me, seemed to them like nonsense. I mean, they're looking at the greatest resurrection of Savior of the world. He told them over and over, but all the way down to his death inside that tomb, Peter, however, got up and ran to the tomb, bending over, he saw the stripes of linen lying by themselves,

and he went away, wondering to himself, what had happened? You would think they would be a little more versed. I'm just saying you would think they would be a little more, have a little more faith. after all the speeches. And he's been telling them. Over and over and over. To add to your point,

that's why in modern day America, they just have a hard time with dealing something dying and coming back to life, especially the one who said, that's what's going to happen. Because you don't see it, right? But in their case, they even saw him raise Lazarus.

Yeah. So the newest possible. I mean, like, it does add to that's wonder, and like befuddlement of how they could miss it, but they did. Go ahead. Yeah, I've got that same verse underlined in my Bible as I was going through this at verse 11, but these words seem to them an idle tale, and they did not believe them.

I mean, but think about what's happening here, because I think this is going to set us up for, we may not get there today, but the next podcast for sure on the road to Emeas will bring this to kind of its conclusion. but that I mean the reminder here is hey they show up at the scene and the body's not there and that's when the guy the guys tell them did you not remember what Jesus told you he's like going back to the whole thing this is kind of what the whole plan was so you would think at this moment it would be the big reveal because it's kind of anticlimatic though because the big reveal is here and the guys you see he says that Jesus is you know he's not here he has remember how he told you while he was still in Galilee that the son of man must be delivered

into the hands of sinful man and be crucified on the third day. I mean, he's told, he's telling them like the whole thing, but they still, at this moment, not yet. I preach it ever Sunday. I preach that. Yeah. But they hadn't quite got it yet, which is an interesting reason. I think a little bit we'll find out why.

But, I mean, spoiler alert. I mean, he opened their eyes so that they. could receive this message and that they could understand what it meant. But in this moment, they're still kind of like in that place of despair. And I think it's because they didn't have, you know, the Bible talks about you can't pour new wine into old wine skins or they'll burst. And I think this is an example of an old wine skin that had formed and it was crusty. And it just could not hold something like what was being poured into it. So they, they didn't have an imagination for even what this meant.

Like, so I mean, their mind, I think, what are you talking about? Like, like, they, they,

they're, they're, they don't have an imagination for a resurrected savior that, they just don't even understand what that means at this point, which I think is pretty powerful to really kind of the whole thing that we've been talking about up at this point. We keep saying, it's bigger,

it's bigger, it's bigger. I mean, Jace talked about it a lot, you know, on the previous podcast about just the par, the paradoxical nature of the gospel. They did not have room in their crusty, dried up wine skins to receive something so beautiful and so powerful as a resurrected Messiah.

That is, that, never mind, that's just beyond. So here's another one I'll give you. As they talked and discussed these things with each other and walked along with them, the women and the men and all of them. But they were kept, and God is the only one who would do this, they were kept from recognition. He asked him, what are you discussing together as you walk along? They stood still, their faces downcast. What I'm Cleopas asking, are you the only one living in Jerusalem who doesn't know the things that have happened there in these days?

She didn't realize that she was talking to Jesus. He and he's questioning her, what things? About Jesus of Nazareth? They replied, he was a prophet. They're talking to Jesus saying, he'll let us know sometimes. Well, to Zach's point, it just kind of odd. To Zach's point, about being spiritually blind,

most people think that, I mean, I had to admit when I was a teenager and a follower, when I read that, I thought Jesus's body, he could, he could, like, do what would be it were. Shapeshifter, metamorphous. Yeah, he could, because he's also walking through walls and. And he could have. I mean, one of the other versions, whenever he appears to marry and the women, they thought he was the gardener. Well, obviously, he didn't look like he normally looked or they would immediately recognize who he was. And she's like, sir, and then she has this conversation with him.

So obviously, she either wasn't seeing it clearly or he looked different on purpose. I think Zach's more right. It's more about how you're viewing. And perceiving. Well, it starts off, she came and you have this question. But I will add something to Phil's point. In John's version in chapter 20 in verse 3, Peter and the other disciple, which everyone believes is John, started for the tomb.

Both were running, but the other disciple outran Peter. John picks it up at the end of what Luke describes, because he just ends with Peter and John, and then John actually describes it. Yeah, but it says the same thing yet differently. Yeah. But it gives you some clarification here. But the other disciple outran Peter reached the tomb first. He bent over and looked in at the strips of linen lying there, but did not go in.

Then Simon Peter, who was behind him, arrived and he just went straight into the tomb, because that's Peter's personality. He saw the strips of linen lying there, just like we read. and loo as well as the burial cloth that had been around jesus's head the cloth was folded up by itself separate from the linen finally the other disciple who had reached the team first also went inside so john but watch this little sentence yeah he saw and believed and it was basically what he didn't see that caused him to believe yeah and then it but but but But then it says in verse 9, they still did not understand from Scripture that Jesus had to rise from the dead.

And the reason that I'm reading that is because we just read in Luke's version, and you'll see the same word, had. In Luke 24, when the women found the stone rolled away from the tomb, when she entered, while they were wondering about this, the two men appear like lightning in their fright they bowed down with their face to the ground and there's the question why do you look for the living among the dead he is not here he has risen remember how he told you while he was still with you in galilee the son of man must be delivered into the hands of men and crucified and on the third day be raised again so the question is you see that in both the answer from the angels and this statement that John parenthetically says that Jesus, he didn't just die, he had to die.

He had to be raised. I think what the answer to that question is is very profound. There's a difference in believing Jesus died and believing Jesus had to die. There's a difference in believing Jesus was raised and that he had to be raised. Yeah, what's interesting about that, Jace, is that the reference that both Jesus and in John's account, as he's recording this, the reference they use is the scripture, which is interesting. I mean, you think about what's happening here. He's saying that they did not understand the scriptures from the scriptures that Jesus had to die. And he's not talking about the New Testament because that hadn't been compiled yet.

So he's talking about the Old Testament, and he's saying that they didn't quite get the Old Testament. And I was thinking about, I think I mentioned this on a previous podcast, but I'll say it again because it was such a profound analogy to, I think, understand what's happening here. This weekend I watched, I rewatched the movie Sixth Sense with Bruce Willis, where you guys remember that, right? I see dead people. And it's crazy because once you have seen that film and you get the big reveal at the end that Bruce Willis's character, Malcolm Crowe, who plays a psychiatrist, who's treating this little boy that's having these visions of dead people. And at the end of the film, you realize, oh, my end is Bruce Willis, the psychiatrist,

he's actually dead the whole time. He got murdered at the beginning of the film. And there's no way you could know that until it was revealed. But once it's revealed, you go back and try to watch the film again, and you're like, and you know, everything takes on a different meaning. That's right. Because now you have this greater revelation of the film. And I think that's what's about to happen here in this moment.

What we're going to get to on the road to Amas. But it's because they're referencing, they're saying all those Old Testament prophets, all that stuff. You know, you didn't understand that from that, the case has already been made. And I bet once they, once they, their imagination, once the wineskins bursted and they were able to receive a new wine skin to hold this message of the kingdom,

of a risen Messiah who was the true Messiah of Israel, that he actually did come to save Israel. I bet they probably reinterpreted. I bet they look back at all those Old Testament prophets and all those scriptures and thought, oh, I can't unsee what I see now. I think that's what's happening here. What's crazy is I wrote down the six cents in my notes.

Did you really? Yes. six cents because it's the opposite of the gospel the hero is dead which you know we don't want to ruin the movie for you but you hadn't seen six cents go out come on let's say don't tell me a movie from 20 years ago come on you that's what I'm saying you hadn't seen it then that's that's right and so I wrote down you can only watch it twice because the second time you're only watching with the end in mind yeah you you're you're you're You can't watch.

You'll never have that first experience. That's right. You're exactly what. And I really think that is a great illustration. It's just, but it's the opposite of what Jesus did, which is awesome. Because the guy's dead.

Well, you leave there thinking, well, that was a bummer. That's a bummer. Hey, dude, you're dead. It's a horrible ending. But I do think you could use it as a catalyst to bring people to Jesus.

Do you want to be like? Bruce Willis or do you want to be like Jesus? Because in that, I do think that's true because then it makes everything make sense. So I wrote down, I listened to a lot of sermons and I did a lot of research. And I was thinking that these principles that are interwoving in the last two chapters here is that the resurrection is a historical event. And the implications of it is just shattering to the world. shatters your your paradigms, your thoughts on true power. I mean, it just, it shatters it.

But the reason I said historical, because when you look at all these details that we've already read about, these eyewitnesses, which, you know, I started this topic in me going and looking up on the internet about people that have died that we think, oh, maybe they're not dead. but I noticed that usually last within a hundred years. Because after a while, everybody agrees, well, nobody's living much past a hundred. Even if they were hiding out somewhere, they died there at some point. Well, exactly.

Well, here's what I found the most fascinating, which I was going to do this at the beginning, but we started talking about this. So when I'm looking up Elvis and all these people, to my surprise, I found out that I died last year. I'm laying on a gurney, and my wife and daughter are wiping tears from their eyes. And it's like, and I didn't click on it, but it was a video on YouTube,

and it had like 18,000 views. Please don't go watch it and let them make any money off this. But I thought, oh my goodness, this is why I don't go in this. there and look for stuff like this, but it proves my point. So who are you? I thought this whole time, you're Jace. Who are you? So this is what I was going to say in the spirit of feel coming to the podcast with the

military and not being on in that worship moment and Missy bumping me. I wanted to rise up and say, hey, I'm alive. I'm alive. I've been raised. because 18,000 people think your death. 18,000 people are convinced. We did notice a change. We did notice a change in your personality not too many years ago. I didn't know what happens. Yeah, that's it.

You know what got me to thinking about that is my other main points that not only is it a historical event, it is the key to understanding all scriptures. He says that over and over. If we just read the first section, we're going to miss it. But Zach pointed out, rightfully so, but he keeps on bringing it up. They didn't understand that all the scriptures are about Jesus in some way or capacity. That was the point. This is the most powerful message ever in the history of civilization.

When you speak it, Phil's famous line, it always makes people mad, glad, or sad. because it is just that powerful. Yeah. The other thing that Jesus is the king of kings, because it gets down to the end and he starts making these references to himself that the Messiah had to suffer and die. And he does that twice at the end. But then the last thing, which I was going to make an application for about me being dead

after I had that, is that it's about him ushering in this kingdom. He's the king of kings, and that's what we're called too. We spend way more time talking about what Jesus saved us from, and rightfully so, you know, sin and death and limiting the evil powers that are in our world, because he did. He handcuffed all of it with this act. But then we're called to something. It gives purpose. And I thought even something as simple as like baptism, reenacting the death, barrel, and resurrection, you know, when you read that in Roman 6, it actually, to the world's conspiracy of thinking, oh, is Elvis really still alive? And that's why you have so many impersonators. We get to live out that resurrection as we come to Christ, and people see our lives,

and it points back to the resurrection of Jesus. I mean, when you think of Phil, when I see you before Christ and then after, it is a testimony to the resurrection of Christ. That is correct. Because you died and you were raised and it was almost unbelievable. And so, you know, I was... Five came out yesterday. Five lined up and said, we're ready.

baptizes. And they were ready to put that old life in? I told them what we'd just been discussing. And it was enough for five of them to make the move. Being old birdie walked down every baptizing. I just wanted to read this real quick. I was trying to underline them before

we started back. But then you're in your point to Roman 6. Roman 6, we've preached this. We probably all have it just about memorized. But it's, I mean, this is the go-to verse on explaining what baptism is. And so often when we, even talk about baptism, we reference it as a one-time event that has to do with your justification.

But if you look at the context of Romans 6, which to your point, Jace, because that's about what you've been saved from. But it's not just about that. It's also about what we've been saved, too. And listen to some of the language in Romans 6 and reference to baptism. It talks about that we are connected with the death, the burial, and the resurrection of Christ, in order that just as Christ is raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we two might walk in the newness of life. That's ongoing stuff.

That's what you're saved too. That we will also live with him, verse 8. That's what we're saved too. That we are alive to God in Christ Jesus. That's what we're saved to. And you just go on throughout the whole context of Roman 6 when it's talking about baptism. He does reference. Paul does reference what we're saved from.

That clearly does. But he doesn't leave it. there, he adds to what we are saved to. So the full gospel of the kingdom is, it's both and. It is what we're saved from, sin, death, hell, all that. But it's, it's, but it's, but says, we're saved to life in Christ. And that is that that's the gamut of what the kingdom that we're being invited into is about. Can I give you some more firepower on that? We're thinking a lot of like today. So just, just listen to Revelation 1-6. I'll read five first, but to Zach's point, what we're saved from, save two.

So Revelation 1, 5, and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the first born from among the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth, because he has something that all other kings do not. But watch the next phrase. to him who loves us and has freed us from our sins. That's what he saved us from. He liberated us and he forgave us by his blood. So there's the cross. But watch what he saved us to.

And has made us to be a kingdom and priests, which what are priests? Their vocal mouthpieces intersecting heaven and earth. God and man, to serve his God and Father, to him be glory and power and forever. And then he doubles down on it in Revelation 5. Same thing. This song that they sing, you know, looking at the lamb that had been slain in verse 9, it says they sang a new song.

You are worthy to take the scroll to open its seals because you were slain. And with your blood, he used purchased men for God. from every tribe, language, and people, and nation. So he purchased us with his blood. You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to serve our God, and they will reign on the earth. That's good. Save for them, save two.

What was the first one you read? Revelation 1, 5, and 6, and Revelation 5, 9, and 10. So people see that, and they say, well, it doesn't seem like we're reigning on the earth. well if you start declaring Jesus as Lord you'll get it yep yep you'll get it and it is the message that that's the the stopper to all conversations philosophies thoughts conspiracies you declare that you're unleashing the same kind of power so and another thing there's a subtlety about this that i really think adds to the truth of this whole story you know back when we used to film the little duck show,

we would be doing something talking about how we were going to present this scene or whatever. And there was a phrase, as you remember, and Willie used to use it a lot. It was called, On the Nose. That's two on the Nose, meaning we were trying to be subtle, make a joke or make us, you know, telling a story,

but you didn't want it to be so much that looked like we were just being fake. And that says on the nose. This story is not on the nose. There's like a lot of these doubting people. And there was a little thing, like even the women they were going in Mark's account to put spices on his body. And on their way there, they looked at each other and they said, well, who's going to roll the stone away?

But they didn't think about it until they're on the way because the stone has already been put up. And we know from Matthew's account, there's a Roman seal that's been put on it. There's guards there. And is they're going to do their duty when normally they would just go in because we wouldn't have all this security around this body? but they don't even know how they're going to get spices on the body. I think we should read that, Al, because I put down the same thing in my notes. And to me, I remember, even the Romans had more belief in this moment than his followers. That's right.

And I'll give you proof of that, that Al alluded to it. So in Matthew 2762, it says the next day, the one after preparation day, the chief priest and the Pharisees went to pilot, said, sir, we remember that while he was still alive, speaking of Jesus, that deceiver said, which they're, isn't that something, that they're putting a nickname on Jesus that is, should have been used for the evil one. That's right. Which is what Jesus was doing in his death, destroying the deceiver and the accusers, that work.

So it says, that deceiver said, after three days, I'll rise again. So here you have a moment where the Roman soldiers are saying, remember what he said? And the disciples are saying, I don't even remember that. So give the order for the tomb to be made secure until the third day. And the reason I think this is so important, because this is more than just legends don't do this. They don't go into details, even having the cloth. folded up on the side.

Why is that in there? So here, because they took the threat seriously. They said, this crazy guy said that he was going to come back. So what did they do? Give the order. Hey, James, before you read that, let's take our last break. Then it says, otherwise, his disciples may come and steal the body and tell the people that he has been raised from the dead.

Because you've got to remember, earthly powers are all about preserving of yourself and your power. So they were like, let's don't even give them an inch to come up with some story that we've made a martyr out of this guy. And now he's come back from the dead, which goes back to our thoughts on Elvis and all this and Princess Diana. And, you know, people are like, oh, they're not really dead. They're still alive.

So what do they do? But then it says, this last deception will be worse than the first. So that was their logic. take a guard pilot answered go make the tomb as secure as you know how so they went and made the tomb secure by putting a seal on the stone and posting the guard which would mean by the way you put a roman seal on something that means if you mess with this then what happened to the person inside here happens to you that's correct so i mean this you mess with this you get crucified that was that's that was the deal let me tell you they couldn't hold jesus no

couldn't hold him and what i love about it is these women were just going to to and run to even sure how they were going to do it because how many times if you've seen that when somebody dies people just show up because they're not sure what they want to do but they won't try to help you know and that's what they were thinking as they go there when they get there the tomb's already open and he's not in there and there's angels saying what you're you looking for the, why are you looking for the living among the dead? And so, and then, of course, we see in the Matthew context, there had been a little earthquake in there, by the way, that

happened at the same time. Exactly. Another one of these little random things that, you know, God was doing in the moment. But I just, to me, it struck me, and Jason's right, it makes it even stronger when you look at the, everything behind it is, this wasn't like orchestrated from the followers perspective. They're just kind of stumbling in here. I mean, then they come back. They don't. They say, you, you people are crazy. What do you mean? But then, then they take up. These women are speaking nonsense. Right. They were like, this is a, what was it? Your version, Zach? I love the way it was said it was a fool's tale or whatever. I mean, they were just. Yeah, idle, idle tales is what the ESV says. Yeah, I like that. And part of that, part of that too could be, you know, so one of the points that a lot of Christian

Apologists point out that these are called embarrassing details in the accounts of the gospel that you would have. I think we've talked about this before, but you know, you're not going to have women come up on the scene. If you're making the story up, then the Christian apologist would argue that you're not going to put that in there because that would have been, I mean, Josephus talked about the testimony of a woman, I think was like that of a dog. It just wasn't credit, you're not a credible witness. So if I'm going to make it up, and it's a, and it's time period, I'm not going to put that. And I'm going to put something way more credible. Consequently, though, that that embarrassing detail that would have probably diminished the testimony of the risen Christ in the moment later becomes now, we look back on that. And that's

when we do a historical analysis of it, then that's actually giving credence to what happens. So Jason mentioned that it's an historical event. And it is a historical event. And I think that's the part that, you know, when you read this account, most New Testament scholars, even the ones that don't believe in the resurrection of Jesus, they at least agree on certain what they call minimal facts. And those minimal facts are such as that women discovered the empty tomb that, and there's, there's 12 or 15 of them. I can't remember how many there are, but they're like minimal facts that everybody believes in, that the early disciples believe they had a vision of the resurrected Jesus, that, you know, that, the brother of Jesus thought that he saw and had an encounter with the resurrected Jesus.

Now, they have explanations for all of those things, but there are these minimal facts that we, that everybody agrees upon. And one of the points that there's one Christian apologist that I used to follow a lot, he had 12 minimal facts. And then he went through with those minimal facts. I need to find this. And we could talk about it on another episode. He went back and showed all the ways that people try to explain this event.

away. And at the end of it, he said the only thing that would make sense is that, is that Jesus was an alien or he is who he said he was. And he says, and in a sense, he wasn't alien. He came from out of this world. He wasn't of this world. That's exactly what. Well, it's like in Mark 1521, I heard a sermon one time about Rufus. And I thought Rufus. And it was this. It was saying, like, when Simon, who carried Jesus's cross, 1521 of Mark says, a certain, man from sirene simon the father of alexander and rufus was passing by on his way in from the country and they forced him to carry the cross well who's alexander and rufus why would you put that in there but then they show up later right and his point was his point was if you were making this up if this was just

a legend well after a few years when this is written all these people that were there and that were recorded in this book, don't you think somebody would rise up and say, well, wait a minute now. This is a conspiracy that's gone too far when you start writing a book about all this. And it held up because you've got to remember there were dozens of people before Jesus, if not hundreds, who claimed to be God. There's been hundreds, if not thousands since Jesus, who their leader claims to be God.

We're a spokesman for God. Yeah, and what happened? It didn't hold up under scrutiny. They're dead. You go find their grave and you dig them up and they're in there. Jesus held up and I believe it's because he wasn't there. And I thought about it. If you were going to make this up from their perspective,

it would make a lot more sense of having Joseph of Arimathea and Nicodemus, a member of the High Council and a member of the High Council and a a Pharisee, instead of being the ones to just wrap the body and do women's work, quote unquote, for their period, for them to find an empty tomb. They would have had full standing, but no, it didn't work out that way. They were doing the job of the women initially with the body of Jesus, and then the women were the ones who actually discovered his resurrection. That just, again, every time you turn into this story, you see the organic nature of truth

and not made up. I mean, these are things happening just like we would happen on the situation. Well, I think the number one excuse for people who say that this didn't happen is they say, well, what happened was they looked at the spiritual side of the, he was such a good man and such a good example that once he died, they just, they were inspired. And these were, they were spiritual principles. He didn't actually come back from the dead, but it was like he did. did and you know and this is a worldview of how because people think it's ridiculous and I wanted

to get this example in uh you know I was do it just looking through my stocks yesterday in the stock market and you said what does this have to do with what we're talking about but this guy was going to give five uh stock recommendations that were like real slow movers and and that you he called them sleep well at night stocks which is where they get the idea of swan where you can you know it's the famous Warren Buffett line that says, if you can't make money while you're sleeping, you'll work till you die, which is kind of funny. And so that's what everybody wants. But his opening paragraph for his recommendations was this. And I want to read this to you because I think this answers the question on what Phil said about why people, especially the disciples, had a hard time

wrapping their head around the death barrel resurrection. So here's his opening line to his five stock recommendations. Investors are baffled by a stock market that seems to defy the laws of God, man, and common sense because it's been rocketing up despite all the problems we're having in the economy and inflation. And it is. It's just rocking it up. But I looked at that and thought, well, that might be a little bit of an overstatement. This stock market going up defies the the laws of God, man, and common sense. And you're like, no, it does not. Well, I'm like, now I see why people are not believing in the resurrection, because we tend to think, well, that just defies the laws of God, man, and common sense.

Some guy didn't come back from the dead. It came from heaven. And that's why I think we don't want to believe. No, this happened. That's right. We're out of time. We'll pick up, uh, right here on our next podcast. We'll see you there on Unashamed. Thanks for listening to The Unashamed podcast. Help us out by rating us on iTunes. And don't miss an episode by subscribing on YouTube and be sure to click that little bell

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