Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 834 | Phil Gives Unsolicited Fashion Advice & Jase Is More Than a Little Stunned

Episode Date: February 12, 2024

Phil is confused and astounded by Jase’s clothing choice, and he can’t hold it in any longer. Jase isn’t convinced that Phil is qualified to judge the fashion of anyone else, but at least there���s a good story behind Jase’s. Jase and Zach point out many of the “echoes” throughout the Old and New Testaments that point to Jesus as the Messiah of the Jews and the world. The guys are excited about today’s premiere of their brand-new show, “Cooking with the Robertsons,” in which Phil gives a step-by-step guide to his famous duck gumbo recipe! By heading over to https://BlazeTV.com/Robertson and using promo code Robertson30, listeners can get $30 off a BlazeTV subscription.  In this episode: Luke 24, verses 13-33; Deuteronomy 18, verse 32; 2 Kings 6, verses 15-23 -- Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? Welcome back to Unashame. We, so I had one of the worst experiences of my life yesterday. I mean, I mean, it was bad. You look? I know, I looked the same, right? I left here yesterday, so I had to get an MRI done.

Oh, man. And nobody really explained what it's, it's, it's a, They look inside your body. It's like, what's it? Magnetic resonance imagery, is that right? So they look. Many, many rousing. Well, here's the problem.

They like an intergenerated view. It's a big, it's a huge machine, and there's a hole in the middle of it, and they put you on a stretcher looking rig, and you go inside the machine. Here was the problem. So I had one done on my knee, a couple, three, four, years ago, but just my knee went in there. So it was uncomfortable because you had to lay there for some long, but you know, it's like you can handle anything for a few minutes. You taught me, Dad, you can't handle anything for 30 minutes, right? So, but this rig, I went all the way in there.

And I'm very claustrophobic. I didn't like it when I was young, but as I've gotten older, I don't like to be hemmed up. I don't like to be in the back of a rig. I don't like to be pinned in an airplane next to the window. So I don't like to. So I don't like to be. So I don't like to that and uh so i'm sitting i said wait just a minute just you know and then they're hooking stuff up i got an ivy i got this that so they're like i said do i am i going all the all the way in my head's going in that machine and she said well it'll be out a little i said a little what do you mean by little because because a little is big right now because i'm not sure i can go in there well a head is not that big exactly so they roll me in there and as i was free bowl me in there and i was free

board from about my nose up was it. I mean, from the mouth down to the rest of my body is in a machine. And you have to put it in hearing protection because it sounds like about 10 men with sledgehammers and jack hammers inside the machine. The whole time you're in there. That's the kind of machine. I stay away from them. I mean, it was barbaric.

I mean, I didn't. But here's the thing. So they gave me a little emergency button. I got that at one. And it's an odd thing because I'm in there. I'm sweating. I'm praying. I'm thinking of beaches I've been to.

I'm doing everything I can. And I'm thinking 35 minutes. That's what they tell me. That's how long this is going to last. 35 minutes. And here's the sad thing. I gave them a check for $1,700 to do this to me. I mean, like, $1,700.

I paid them to do it. And so by halfway through the button, I almost, I've got it in the position. I'm thinking I've got to get out of here. But I thought, I've paid all this money. And then, you know, I need to find out what's going on. Magnetic. So I just rode it out.

But it never got any better. You know, you think at some point it's not going to get better. No. No, I wouldn't have thought it would have done. It never got better. It just like, how long, how long was the whole experience? 35 minutes. Well, let me read to you what it says.

M-R-A magnetic. Resonance imaging. Okay. It is a non-invasive imaging technology. And it's true, except for the IV I had. It was non-invasive. You were giving me a picture of being invaded. This is non-invasive.

I felt invaded. It's mentally emotionally. It was a mental problem. Right. Physically, you're just laying there. There's a picture that I'm looking at that looks like some sort of weird carnival ride. Yeah. That you like go into.

a dishwasher. Instead of just close the door, you just go into a dishwasher. Well, Lisa went with me, and so I walk out. What did they say this little endeavor is supposed to do for it? Well, I'm going to read it. It is often used for disease detection, diagnosis, and treatment monitoring. It produces three-dimensional. It's a way to look inside your body at organs.

In detail. Right. So they were looking at my prostate. because I'm having some process issues. So they were looking there and she told me, she says, it's about the size of a golf ball. So don't be moving around. So now it's like, you know, you got to lay perfectly still is what they were telling me.

And so I did it. I made it. Like after it was over, I was glad I did. But I was like, you know, sweating and dizzy. When I got up, I was like, it was miserable. When I walked out in the waiting room, Lisa was sitting there, she said, are you okay? And I said, no, I'm not okay. That's one of the worst experiences I've ever had in my life.

And she was like, well, do I need to? I said, no, just give me a minute. Who recommended this deal? This was our urologist that you and I share, Dr. Murphy. So they're wanting to take a look. They're trying to make sure I don't have cancer. You know, when you start having issues of prostate, first thing they think it may be cancer because a lot of people get prostate cancer.

So, you know, I don't know what they're going to find out. But I know one thing. I don't think I could go back in again, again, for one. at least not awake. I think I would have to be on some kind of drugs or something because that was brutal. It was tough. So what was the diagnosis? Could you share with the Unashamed Nation?

Well, I don't know. Like, you know, it takes a week before they get back. So hopefully it's all clear and then we're good to go. Well, I'm reading an article, well, MRI, how to minimize your fears. Okay, good. I wish I had brought this up yesterday. Whoever this is, he posted this article. They say some of the practices that they're using now because patients have claustrophobia.

Yep, that's me. Is patients may be able to watch a short video with soothing nature scenes to help them relax during the exam. I don't think that would have. They had some music. I had ear protection in and then headphones on. They were playing music. I was listening to one of the local radio. station. But it just didn't get better. I mean, but here was the guilty part of it. I thought,

we just did a podcast on no fear. I kept thinking about everything we talked about on the podcast, because we don't have to worry about death or anything. So I'm laying there thinking, why is this so bad? Like, you know, I'm praying. Lord just, you know, remove this, whatever, this anxiety I have, you know, helped me get through this. And he did because I made it for 35 minutes. I mean, I didn't bail. But it was the heart. hardest thing I've had to do in a long time not to hit the button. If you hit the button and they send you back in, that they recharge you, is it what?

No, I'm sure that money would have been gone and then I'd had to do it again at some point. Another 17 hundred. That's exactly right. Watching nature videos. I mean, it just didn't work out for him. But anyway, so I don't know how your afternoon went. I was just wondering hearing your story where Jay's got that shirt. I can get you one for Christmas.

I mean, it's words, it's, it's, it's, it's, on that, on that subject, I will tell you. That's a heck of a train. There's a tiny hole in the front, so, so are you. The fact that you're, that gets the award for Segway transitions. Oh, that's a segue. You just, when there's not a segue, you just force one. Yeah, you up down, boys, y'all come up with some. What do you want to do?

Oh, my God. Number one, Phil, the fact that you're noticing. My fashion, for the lack of thereof, it's frightening, but I will tell you the story. So. I mean, it's got birds. It is very busy. I don't know. I never seen a shirt.

Do you want to? It's very busy. Peripidial things you can think about. You want me to explain this shirt. Yeah, what's what made the hole in front of it? It's a tree, and now it's got a hole. Somebody cut it out with a pocket knife. I don't want to cause anyone to stumble, but this, my shirt does have a hole in it.

It does have a hole in it, too. There's another one right there. It's just like, is it an old shirt, just it wore the hole in it or what? No, I've never seen it before. It's brand new. I will say when you, when I was a honey-oh. If y'all will let me tell the story, but go ahead, Zach. Let's get all the lead up.

I mean, I will say, to Phil's credit, when you took off your jacket, I thought, what's he got on there? Like, it was, it was noticeable enough that, like, I had a moment where I was like, what's he wearing there? So, I mean, I didn't notice it as well. And I didn't notice it because I was reliving my trauma from yesterday. And everybody else can't get off of Jason's shirt. I should have worn that shirt yesterday. So I was on the way to the airport to go film an episode of the Treasure Hunting Show. and I realized that I didn't have a shirt with a hoodie on it.

Because when I go to an airport, you have to have an exit strategy. I'm going to have to take my headphones off to show you the exit strategy in the airport. So Jace can't hear us now. I can't hear you. You can hear you. When I go in the airport and do this, no one knows who I am. Now, I will say that you do draw a lot of security. And you do this.

Yeah, you've got a unibomber look there. People come up there and say, sir, do you need something? But they just want to have a conversation with it. So I said, you know what? I'll stop at the honey hole. Support these guys because they're less than a mile from the church building. You know. That's John David's family.

Yeah. Who's on our sister podcast. Yeah, from the duck car room. So, yeah. He actually works there. dad his dad yeah his dad and he works there too he he left out the middle brothers in the lord you know i went in there i was like 50 bucks wow but let me support this so what had happened was i used it in the airport and then i was going to do on the episode it got colder or whatever so i was going to wear this

shirt well the producers it had a big uh what do you call it it had a Name tag. Logo. Yeah, I had a logo over the shoulder, but I wanted to wear the shirt because it was comfortable. And so I took the name tag off, which is why I got two holes on both sides, even though it's brand new.

They didn't mind me supporting it, but they just didn't want a big logo every time you look at me, and they're like the honey hole, you know, it just out of context, you know, anyway. I got it. So I destroyed the shirt. and I don't know it was on the top row of my shirts today we did laundry yesterday

were you a bachelor but missy's actually home so well she just she she did the laundry and it was on top and so I just got it so I don't know I see baits I see bass well it makes me think of my happy places there's cranes there's a jig that you would throw by a tree there's a large mouth bat It's a fishing. The store that I went in that they own, it's a bait and tackle shop.

So that's the story on it. I've actually had quite a few people say, cool shirt. But I'm not wearing it because it's cool, which it is cooler than most shirts, because I have two big gaping holes in it, which there's a story there. I didn't really say cool. He was just perplexed. Phil, do you think it's cool? Would you wear it?

Would you wear it now? No, it's a little much for me. It's a little too busy for Phil. While you all were, you could put on the back of it, kind of bring it out, you know, there's a lot to be said here. There's a lot going on here. How about this? How about this? Put on the back of it.

We're all busy. We're all busy. That's right. that's right so if y'all want to order one of these shirts I'm sure I don't know if the honey hole sells online I kind of doubt it but they might

I bet they do this is like the small we got the charge for this Jay somebody knows I tell you man let me tell you something lengthy what's the word lengthy

is the site in all because I've never seen a shirt with all of that on it. So I thought... Well, it's really made an impression on it. This is the first time we've ever talked about clothes. Yeah. Let's take it for it.

Well, Zach, speaking of product placement, I just wanted to thank you because when I was up at your place, back for Layla's wedding, we talked about the Smithy cast iron on the podcast, and someone that works there is apparently a listener. And so I just want to thank you for a nice new smithy that I got. Wait, wait, wait, wait.

Hold on. Just thank you for that. Thank you to the folks at Smithy. If you work at Smithy and you sent one to Al. Exactly. He's stealing his, but they reached out to me. So thank you for the, and it is a tremendous skillet. I'm in love it.

We need to charge them. I mean, it is a great product. It is a great product. By the way, just for our friends, don't go to the honeyhole. dot com. That's a sandwich shop. If you want to buy this shirt that Jace has, it's Honeyhole Shop.com. So they gave them a free.

JD, if you're listening, I will send an invoice to you in the next 48 hours. Well, let me tell you this. I'm sure the first 10 will get one of these shirts because this is kind of a hole in the wall place. Yeah. So if you spend, if too many of you go there.

You know what's interesting about? the honeyhole that the location Jason is talking about when we were young, Jason you may be too young to remember this. Oh no, it was a 7-Eleven. It was a 7-Eleven and that's where we would stop because it's the last civilization before we got out to where we were going to hunt when we used to drive up to where you hunted at Moss Lake. It was also right next to a, was it a root beer place?

Yeah, A&W root beer. And we used to get the ice cream and get the root beer on top of it. float. Yeah. So. And then there's a, there's a skating rink by there, right?

Yeah. It's just a bowling alley. Yes. There used to be a bowling alley, but it burned down. Yeah, that burned. But this, what's interesting about that 7-Eleven is I used to be car sick when I was young,

but I didn't want to get weeded out of hunting. So I would never tell anybody that I was sick. And so when they went into the store, into the convenience store, I would go around back and throw up and then come back around. And I never told you. I never told you that because I didn't want to get weed. Yeah, I know. Then the smell of that would cause me to throw away, which I do have a vivid memory.

So it was a chain reaction. Jason knew about it. That is kind of ironic. So while y'all were having MRIs and wondering about what I was wearing, I was reading our texts. And I was enamored. I mean, we talked about this last podcast in chapter 24, this scene, this road to Amas. but it's very profound when he runs up on or I don't know who ran up on who here you know on the road to amas they were talking about everything that happened in verse 14

and as they talked and discussed these things with each other Jesus himself came up and walked along with them so I guess Jesus made the initial encounter and since he vanished instantly, I'm assuming he just literally came up behind him and I can just imagine all of a sudden being right in between them. Probably spooked him a little bit. And then it says, but they were kept

from recognizing him. Yeah. Whether that was by him or something they just didn't see or as we talked about that a little bit. Well, we did talk about Jesus obviously looked different. I mean, Mary thought he was the gardener. There's some other examples.

Well, Thomas, I mean, Thomas didn't fully recognize him. And he had the ability to show his wounds. And I'm not assuming that. No, on the fishing trip, it said they didn't know it was. Yeah, that's right. We didn't even sit on the bank. Yeah, on the bank. That's where it was John 21.

21. Go ahead, Zach. Which, I mean, I mean, I'd love that, though, because if you certainly think about the he was able to show scars, it, it, I mean, this was a physical resurrection. We have to keep that in mind. I mean, this is, there was something physical and tangible. I mean, he had a body. This is not, because I grew up, I grew up thinking that, you know, the resurrection.

I don't, I don't know. I guess I thought heaven was like floating spirits or something. And trying to imagine that was honestly a little depressing. But there's a lot of, a lot of the religious worlds that still believes that it's a spiritual resurrection, not a physical one. but that's just not biblical i mean we've talked about that at every level you know what's what's interesting uh at the end of acts after reading you know jesus has gone into heaven in the first part of acts each chapter of the gospel of john these people who put this book together contains a portrayal of some aspect of the character of work or of work for christ

and listen to this. These are the things you'll catch in the book of Acts. Son of God, Jesus is that. Son of man, divine teacher, soul winner, great physician, bread of life, water of life, defender of the weak, light of the world, good shepherd, prince of life, king, servant, counselor, true vine, giver of the Holy Spirit,

great intercessor, model sufferer, uplifting Savior, conqueror of death, restore us of the penitent, of the ones who repent. For an individual, for someone just to look

and see what the book of Acts says about Jesus, more than anybody who ever lived on planet earth. Yeah. I mean, out of everybody's league. Yeah. How a guy or two over a period of thousands or years came up with that would be impossible. Yeah.

Unless it really happened. This is accurate. Which, by the way, Dad, since you were there, that is the thesis of this new book that will be out March the 12th. I could be wrong, but I doubt it. Why, Jesus is your greatest hope on earth and in eternity. That's what this book is about. Everything you just said. Yeah.

Who Jesus is and why he is. And I didn't look at it when we made put the book together, the Gordon and me. So, I mean, we put that book together, but, I mean, it's worthy of note if you just, it'd be impossible for someone to say, oh, there was never anyone here like that. I said, not here.

there's more evidence of Jesus being here than anybody who ever lived. Yeah, and then you have a whole list of names that, you know, describe who he is and what he's done. It's just outrageous things. It is. By the way, I could be wrong, but I doubt it.com is where you go to pre-order. We'd love to have you pre-order the book, so check it out. So anyway, so Jesus is having this conversation. and these guys Cleopas and a friend their faces are downcasts and they're like you haven't heard

what's happened and he's like what things Jesus is playing along and they were talking about Jesus who they're now looking at but said he was a prophet powerful and word indeed before God and all the people the chief priests and our rulers handed him over to be sentenced to death and they crucified him. We had hope, but we had hoped that he was the one who was going to redeem Israel, which is an interesting term that redeemed because it's like to bring out from under slavery to be liberated. But they were thinking political, physical. They didn't realize that they're talking to one who redeem the globe, past, present, and future. And what is more, it is the third, day since all this took place, which I do think we didn't make this point before I tell you what I was

studying. If you have everything but the resurrection, there's sadness. It just shows you right here. They said, oh, he was powerful in word indeed. So they were acknowledging everything, but if you don't realize there's a resurrection, it ends in sadness. So in addition, some of our women amazed us. They went in the tomb early morning, and they didn't find his body. They came and told us that they had seen a vision of angels. And then some of our companions went to the tomb and found it just as the women had said, but him they didn't see.

So then Jesus says this that says, you know, you're slow to believe all that the prophets have spoken. Did not that Christ have to suffer? And then verse 27, in beginning with Moses and the prophets, he explained to them what was said in all the scriptures concerning himself. So then when you read, he says that same thing again after the appearance to the disciples in 44, he said, this is what I told you while I was with you. Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the law of Moses. the prophets and the Psalms.

So I was kind of looking into that. I was like, I wonder what exactly he told them about that. Because it's kind of like a cliffhanger. I would have liked to have heard. I just know this. To this day, the Jewish people are still struggling with this. Exactly. A great degree of them.

They're still struggling with the same thing that was, written that Luke wrote down. Right. To this day. But they're still looking for Messiah. Hey on, let's take another break. So I'm getting to a point here. But so you remember in John 5?

Because it led me to this scripture in John 5. When he's having this argument with the Jews and he says, you diligently study the scriptures. This is 539. Well, what scriptures is he talking about? we're not talking about the New Testament or the Gospels because that wasn't written yet. So what is he talking about? What scriptures is he talking about in John 539?

What the prophets is he said? The Old Testament. It's the Old Testament, the Pentateuch, you know, Moses's writings. Because you think that by them you possess eternal life. These are the scriptures that testify about me. yet you refuse to come to me and have life. Now, what I didn't realize when I'm studying this is that this is a big controversial debate

because a lot of people say that Jesus is nowhere in the Old Testament to my shop, but that's a thing. And so when it gets down to verse 45, and I don't know what we were doing when we were studying John, but I don't even remember getting into this conversation in detail. But when he gets to 45, it says, but do not think I will accuse you before the father. Your accuser is Moses on whom your hopes are set.

If you believe Moses, you would believe me. Now here's this little phrase that got my attention. For he wrote about me. But since you did not believe what he wrote, how are you going to believe what I say? So as an average intelligence or slightly below average human being, I said, well, let me just run over there and see what, Moses said about Jesus.

Well, it's not as simple as you might think. Now, I did find there's a passage in, now look, I didn't have notes on this. So I was talking to Zach before our podcast started, and I said, I'll go over what I studied, but I didn't write any notes. But I think it's Deuteronomy 18 and 32, you know where Moses said,

there's a prophet that will come from your people, and he will basically redeem us. So I'm pretty sure that's talking about Jesus. But this study led me to a doctor, a theological scholar, who had written a book called Reading Backwards. Are you familiar with that, Zach? I have not heard of this. You had briefly mentioned it.

I was like, yeah. So let me just give you this bill and we can talk about it. Because it's something we all believe, but we didn't know. You know, there was a book about it, obviously. He called it figural theology. And his point is... Well, hold on. Before you go any further, can someone do that cricket sound?

Because if I were to say what you just said, we want to be consistent here. There would have been... I just want to keep it fair, Jase. Go ahead. Okay, so... Now, we have... We have now cricketed Jace for the first... The irony is that we have a simple man pontificating on a theological subject that our theologian,

Zach, has never heard of us. That's right. And it's cricketed you. But if y'all are playing along with me from the simple-minded, I just was trying to find out what these quotes are when Jesus said, hey, he wrote about me and he, and he's explaining to these two men, then he's doubling down with his disciples saying, look, all that that was written, it was about me. So the reason this scholar came up with this term is because let me just give you a practical. Because look, if you're going to listen to his speech and he gave a lecture somewhere that said, did Moses write about Jesus? That's the name of the speech.

But I just want to warn you, if you want to go listen to that, you must either take a nap before or drink coffee as you're listening. because this is theological talk. It's dense. It's very difficult to sit there and not let your mind wander. Should I have listened to that while I was in the MRI machine? Maybe that would have taken my mind. I think that would have put you to sleep. But I listened to it for you, and I was just curious.

And I'll try to make it practical because here was this point. And we've said this before. So let's just say, he didn't say this, I'm just, I'm going to try to make this where we can all understand what his point is about figure or theology. His point is, let's say you started reading the Bible from Genesis. You know, most books you start at the beginning and then you start reading. Well, all of a sudden, you get to Luke 24 here and Jesus emphatically says three different times here, all that stuff back there, that was about me. So what do you do?

Well, you think, oh, no, I must have missed that. I got to start over. And that is his point. His point is that the concept of Jesus coming, now we obviously know where the obvious prophecies are, but in the case of like Moses, and he didn't say this, but he inferred it, well Moses kind of mirrored what Jesus what he did for Israel,

liberating them from Egyptian slavery was like a forerunner to what Jesus would do. The arc type is what they call it, yeah. The world. But look, so what his point is, even though Moses didn't have that necessarily in mind, once you read what Jesus did, will you go back and what he called it was an aha moment? And I'll give you one example that he gave that I thought was fascinating, if I can remember it, because it was pretty deep.

So, because it was from here in Luke 24. So when you see these two fellas, so they're downcast and look, they're seized with fear. Would that be a correct statement? Kind of like the fear you were experiencing on the MRI. Yep. Oh, yeah. And so what happens is their eyes were opened.

When were their eyes opened? Well, verse 36. Twice. No, verse 31, and then again in 45. Yeah, they recognized him. 41 was when they recognized him as Jesus. So he used this as an example on this figural theology, which I thought was interesting. He went to Second Kings.

Chapter 6, and y'all are familiar with what I'm fixed to read. Oh, yeah, you're talking about the... Well, yeah, but, Al, it was eye-opening, pun intended. So... This was Elisha and the service. Yeah. Second King's six. Yeah, find that exact where that happens.

So they're surrounded by an army. Elisha, man of God, he's trusting in God. y'all can help me go through this since i didn't have the notes yeah i just read this this week yeah the the arameans have trapped them arameans have trapped them so verse 15 the servant of elijah of the man of god got up and went out early the next morning an army with horses and chariots that surrounded the city oh my lord what shall we do the servants says don't be afraid the prophet answered those who are with us are more than those who are with them.

And Elijah prayed, oh, Lord, well, here's this phrase, open his eyes so he may see. Then the Lord opened the servant's eyes, and he looked and saw the hills full of horses and chariots of fire all around Elijah, which here's what's fascinating. That's the only time in the entire Old Testament, you see something quite like this,

where eyes are opened and you see the spiritual heavenly forces around. Well, it doesn't stop there. Because as the enemy came toward him, Elijah, prayed for the Lord, and look, look what happened. Strike these people with blindness. Because you got to remember the whole reason they didn't recognize Jesus back to Luke 24 is why. Y'all said it multiple times, last podcast than this, because they were spiritually blind. So we have an irony happened because now the servant is open, his eyes to see the spiritual, but the army is now stricken with physical blindness.

And so Elijah said, this is not the road and this is not the city. Follow me and I'll lead you. So they take all these guys prisoners because they couldn't see in verse 20. After they entered the city, Lord, open the eyes of the men so they can see. Then the Lord opened their eyes and they looked, and there they were. were inside Samaria. They were basically prisoners of war. So when the king of Israel saw them, he asked Eliza, well, shall I kill them? Shall I kill them? And verse 22 says, do not kill them. He answered, would you kill men you have captured with your own sword or bow? Set food and

water before them so that they may eat and drink and then go back to their master. So he prepared a great feast for them. And after they had finished eating and drinking, he sent them away. And they return to their master so the bans from aram stop raiding israel's territory now if you read that story and you kind of look at what jesus did jesus in a non-valent way went to his death on a cross he has this feast pictured a many times you know they recognized him when he's at the table that you know the bring in the fire when it says their hearts were burning and the the movie chariots of fire you know where they got it from was the second king six and so there's multiple what he called echoes in the two stories and yeah i i agreed with him i was like well isn't this

fascinating and so so that's what the theology is yes and it's not it's not figurative it's it's not figurative yeah that that's where i was getting off what what was the term again it was figural figural Figuerole, meaning, I guess, the figure of Jesus is seen throughout. The figure of Jesus is seen throughout the old text. I mean, let me just listen to this, though. I was, when you read that verse 45, which says, then he opened their minds to understand the scriptures, and he said that then, thus it is written that the Christ should suffer and on the third day rise from the dead, and that repentance for the forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in his name.

name to all the nations beginning from Jerusalem. So you read that, you think, man, why would he go to the Old Testament to talk about that? And I love this because he'd already said this once before about the law and the prophets and about the prophets and Moses. But here he's linking it to somehow he's linking this whole like Old Testament scripture to something happening with all the nations. So I just, I just looked this up. I mean, a lot of verses came in the mind. But let me just read a few of these from the Old Testament. And you think about this. You're reading this now in the light of this revelation that Jesus is doing.

So I think what he did right here is he's going back and probably going through a lot of these verses I'm going to read. And then when they read this for the, when they read it in the light of Jesus, they're like, oh, that's what that meant. Because think about if you're Jewish in this time period, what is your expectation of the kingdom? Your expectation is that Israel will be the kingdom. Like Israel itself, and I don't know about the rest of the world,

I'm sure maybe they benefit from it or whatever, but you're not really seeing any in their mindset. There's not literally the inclusion of the rest of the nations, but listen to all these verses in the Old Testament. And there's a lot of them, not going through all of them. Genesis 12.3, I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you, I will curse. All peoples or all nations on earth will be blessed through you.

Genesis 18. Abraham surely became a great and powerful nation, and all nations on earth will be blessed through him. Genesis 22, 18, and through your offspring, all nations on earth will be blessed because you have obeyed me. Genesis 26, I will make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky, and I will give them these lands, and through your offspring, all nations on earth will be blessed. Genesis 28, 14, all the peoples on earth will be blessed through you and your offspring. Exodus 9, but I raised you up for this very purpose that I might show my power. By the way, this is quoted in Romans 9 too, and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth. Joshua 4-4, he did this so that all the peoples of the earth might know the land or the hand of the Lord is powerful.

And this just goes on. I mean, it just goes on and on and on. I mean, there's, I don't know how many verses. I couldn't read them all in this podcast of how many verses there are in the Old Testament that are proclaiming that all the names. are going to be blessed through the obedience of Abraham, through the grafting in of the gen. It's all throughout the Old Testament. So when Jesus gets to the New Testament and he's proclaiming this new kingdom that we're being grafted into, when he goes into the temple and he gets angry and he turns over the tables, what was his accusation?

You've taken this house that my father intended to be a worship house for the nations, and you turn it into a denna robbers. I think that's what he's getting at here. That's why he says here that the repentance for the forgiveness of sin should be proclaimed in his name. Why? Or to who? To all nations beginning with Israel. So when you get to Romans, that's Paul's point.

The gospel is what, first for the Jew, first in Jerusalem, then for the Gentile. It begins in Israel and then it expands into the entire. world. And I think that's the, this is what he's opening their mind up to. So then they go back and they read it and they're like, how do we miss this? Because this was here the entire time. And we miss the biggest point of the whole thing. We missed it. But now we realize it in Jesus as he opened their eyes up to understand it. Yeah. So let's take another break. So just one point I was going to make just, you know, in my simple mind, of course, the theologian didn't bring this up. But this helps me kind of wrap my head around it.

In 1 Corinthians 10, you remember, we've read this many times, but, you know, Paul uses this as an example when he said, I don't want you to be ignorant that our forefathers were all under the cloud and that they all passed through the sea. They were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea. You remember when he led them out of slavery and the parting of the Red Sea, and they made it and then the enemies that were following them were destroyed when the sea closed back up and so as they go out to the wilderness they all ate the same spiritual food drank the same spiritual drink remember the god providing for they for they drank from the spiritual rock that

accompanied them well then this when paul makes this statement he's doing what this theologian was kind of, you know, calling a theology, but it says, and that rock was Christ. So, and you remember, I looked them up. There's three instances, two or three instances where, because one time he struck the rock and water came out, but when he struck it twice after God, no, once he talked to the rock, once he struck it once, and the other example, he struck it twice, which he got in trouble for striking it twice. Right.

And because that obviously was representative of that Jesus died once and for all, which is what kept Moses out of seeing the Promised Land. Right. So when you think about it, here's these three stories, you can go back and read them. I found it fascinating, you know. It's like the rock was Christ during that, the living water. So then you look at all those passages that talk about living water and salvation. Even all the, even because Moses was the mediator of the original covenant.

And he's the one that brought in blood when they couldn't keep the law because then they had to have sacrifice. He's the one that instituted the Passover, which of course is Jesus. I mean, it's over and over. Even Moses' arrival, remember it was under the same exact circumstances as Jesus. There was a king killing all the Hebrew babies and he survived. So there's a ton of links to. to the side of it even like when you get to the beginning of mark for example and it talks about the baptism of jesus which is i guess in all the gospels um even in that like the you think man what the the the significance of them i think i may have mentioned this on a previous podcast but of jesus being baptized in the jordan river you know when when they were coming out of captivity they there was that parting of jordan which you know when they came when they were escaping the captivity of egypt there was the parting of the Red Sea.

Moses was the forerunner, but he didn't get him to the promised land, but he had to hand that over to Joshua. And the other time there was a parting of the Jordan River was when we just talked about Elijah, when he transferred power over to Elisha. And the sea parted in the presence of God in the form of the Ark of the Covenant, you know, all those stories of how that happened. But the idea is that Jesus now, like, so John the Baptist is the forerner handing it over to Jesus. So you see this throughout all of the New Testament.

There's so much of this that's echoed. I guess it would be a backwards echo into the Old Testament. Yeah. It's a backwards echo, but it's like, which is I think maybe the point of reading the Bible backwards, it makes sense. Well, that's why he wrote a book called reading back. I haven't read it, but I am on order it and read it. But we've said that before. It's like when some new Christian or someone is like,

how do I understand the Bible? I always tell them, start in the Gospels and then go backwards and forwards. And then my point is, is because what Jesus's point here, he's saying, beginning with Moses, the prophets, he explained to them what was said in the scriptures. And then when he said, I told you while I was with you, everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the law of Moses, the prophets, and the Psalms. Which I was just trying to bring up the idea that those are quite the statements. Yeah, yeah.

So I didn't want to just run over it and say, because when you read Hebrews 3, the first six verses, where he talks about why Jesus is better than Moses. but he also is using references, the Hebrew writer there, that Moses was looking to the future in what he was doing and saying, well, who was the future? The one that's better than Moses, which is Jesus. Go ahead. Well, yeah, I was just thinking, I'm glad you brought up Hebrews, because that's exactly what I was thinking about. That's kind of the point of Hebrews.

It is the point, yeah. Yeah, you get to the end of Malachi, and you're like, and there's 400 years of silence, but even without this 400 years of silence. I mean, you kind of thinking, this ain't going to work. How's this is going to work? And the point of Hebrews is, yeah, that was never going to work. It's impossible for the blood of goats and bulls to really curate any payment percent. I mean, his whole point is to show how it was, it's not to say that that system was wrong.

I think that's the wrong way of looking at it. It's to say that if you think that that was the end of that system, then you missed it. It was always pointing. That system was great. It ushered in what God ultimately wanted to do in Jesus and what he did do in Jesus, by the way. But that's the point of Hebrews that there was no other way. It had to be this way. That's what Paul says in Galatians.

If it could have come from another pathway, it would have. But it didn't because this is the way. Jesus says, I am the way, the truth and the life. And nobody comes to the Father except through me. This is the pathway. There's no other way we could do it. Which, by the way, isn't it ironic that the 400 years you were talking about in between waiting for what was promised to John the Baptist introduced in Jesus was the same amount of time that when the verse you read in Hebrew is 12 about Abraham, when God made that promise to Abraham, guess how long it was before they would actually go into the land that he promised Abraham 400 years? I mean, it's just, again, the similarity, it's all there.

I mean, the pieces of it are all there. But that's why the Hebrew writer, when he got chapter 11, he goes through all these great people of faith. And I mean, all the people that Jesus just mentioned that he explained to, to share that they were pointing toward him, the Hebrew writer does the same thing. And when he gets to the end of that chapter, he's like, these were all commended for their faith yet.

None of them received would have promised God had planned something better for us so that only together with us would they be made perfect and then what's he start talking about let us fix our eyes on jesus yeah the author and perfecter of her faith i mean that's how this was planned to work and that's how it did work so you can call it whatever you want to but jesus the whole old testament is the fact that he's coming yeah and you have to and when you study the Bible, we always have to keep this in mind. You're reading snapshots of where things were in that time. It's like I've been studying Psalms here lately, and it talks so much about the law, you know, meditating on it, loving it. And, you know, from our perspective, after all this time,

we're like, well, the law is really, I mean, we know now. Nailed that to the cross. Right. And it was like, but in the time that the guys were writing the Psalms in David's Day, all they had was the first five books. They just had the Torah. So that's all they had was the law. Yeah. Well, David himself, you say, well, how does that point to Jesus? Well, he was an unlikely king. That's right. Because of why. He was the youngest and he was a shepherd.

Yeah. Well, there's this scene in the Old Testament where, as you're saying this, I'm thinking, like, this really should illuminate the entire Old Testament for us. Because even like there's these stories that we read that seem a little bizarre, maybe, if you don't understand the cultural context of them, or insignificant maybe, or like they're just like historical points. But we're missing it. Like another example of this is in, I think it's in Genesis 15 where Jesus,

where Abraham is having a conversation with God, he's made this promise to him. I'm going to give you the sentence. I'm going to give you the land. And he's like, how do I know that I'm going to get the land? And he says, go get some animals and then cut them in half and basically put them, you know, on each side of a pathway. And the custom was that you take the animals, you cut them in half, and then both parties had the agreement, and then they walk through these dead animals that are cut in half.

And what they're saying is, should I break this covenant, then this may this happen to me? And so you can anticipate in this moment that God is basically saying, we're going to make a covenant here in agreement. We're going to walk through this. We're going to make a deal. But what happens is, is he cuts the animals in half, and Abraham actually falls asleep. God causes him to fall asleep. And he never walks through the animals. And the only one that walks to the animals is God himself.

He comes through in the form of a cloud of smoke or like a smoking fire. But God himself goes through. So the idea is God makes the covenant. And he says, Abraham, should you break this covenant, made this happen to me. Which again, who's he talking about? Talking about Jesus. It did happen to Jesus. It's all throughout the Old Testament.

And I think it will illuminate us. I think Jesus was illuminating the disciples to it. And now we have that hindsight 2020 where we can benefit from that same opening of our minds to understand the scriptures in the light of Jesus Christ. Yeah, that was the attempt. All right. We're out of time. Man, that was interesting. We'll die back in here next time on Unashamed.

I do want to mention that we don't have overtimes anymore, but we do have new cooking segments that actually dropped today, February 12. and so we want you to check those out. What are y'all cooking, Al? What's on the menu? I'm not exactly sure which is the first episode. I know we did a dad did a duck gumbo with Burley. At least I did some. Gumbo.

Mattie has spoken. Oh, gumbo. Duck gumbo. So you're going to love it. BlazTV.com slash Robertson. Maddie, did you eat some of that gumbo? What about it? Thumbs up for Maddie.

All right. We'll see you next time. I don't know a shame. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast. Help us out by rating us on iTunes. And don't miss an episode by subscribing on YouTube and be sure to click that little bell to get notified about new episodes. And for even more content that you won't get anywhere else, subscribe to Blaze TV at blazedtv.com slash unashamed.