Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 836 | Phil Loses a Bet with Miss Kay & Jase Is Forced to Apologize for Someone Else’s Rudeness

Episode Date: February 15, 2024

Phil and Miss Kay decide to put some money on the table for the big game, and Jase figures out a solution to a big problem the Duckmen face after someone gets feelings hurt. The guys examine humanity���s fascination with ghosts, witches, and other supernatural phenomena, as well as the special powers Jesus’ resurrected body possessed.  -- Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? So welcome to Unashamed podcast. We are back at the lair. They're cleaning up outside. Oh. Dad was like, dad's line to, so Dan was cleaning first because you had to understand there's a wave of mud that comes into this. That doesn't even do it just.

I thought we had shared this before on the first. I don't think we've ever talked about the cleaning up. Oh, we haven't talked about? I don't think so. I don't know. What happens after Ducks season. Get her correct step. This is what happens.

Welcome to my life. My wife is constantly reminding me that I've either told that story before or I have it. It's like a no-win situation. Because I can't remember because when you talk a lot, this is what happens. Yeah. but just to just to kind of try to get a maddy's weather she said i don't think we've covered we have not covered i didn't think so oh you're right so what happens is we hunt

pretty much for 60 days we we have we're at an age well it begins actually during till season the the beginnings of it so it actually spreads out over like three or four months so that's 16 days of till season 60 days of duck season so that's seven days of seven 76 days, but in between the two is a two-month window by which people are scouting, moving, and deer hunting. So where the studio is located, we call this the layer. And it's basically a place that houses all the wheelers, various amphibious vehicles. Somebody's working out there. I think they're cleaning. There's like ice machines.

machines and what just decoys gear gear waiters lockers with the our hunting stuff in it but I would say this year more than any other year

a layer of dirt it started off as mud formed on the floor and it just kept getting higher and higher and higher

to the point to where I I try to wear the equivalent of flip-flops before I put my waiters on because I don't want my feet. It's a sweat for you. I did talk about that. I did talk about that. But what happened was it got so dirt-filled here that I couldn't wear them because by the time I got to my waiters, my feet were either dirty or moist from you step in a mud. Mud pit, but it's on, it's the floor.

I've had to clean my shoes on several occasions just walking through there to get to here. Yeah, and I would say, how bad, I don't know what the square footage out there is. Here's the situation. Vehicles, little four-wheeler's. Side by sides. Side by sides. Yep. We go to the woods.

It rains. We're throwing mud up on behind us. On us. On both sides of us. We've taken that coming back out of the woods and pull into like a large barn. It sounds like a silo. It's a lot of equipment and a lot of stuff that's in there. It's a strange building.

It has a concrete floor, but from space. We're hauling it in from the woods that we build duct blinds. It's a mud hole. Yeah. Well, you pull a mud hole, go through it with a four-wheeler, and pull in. here it just leaves a trail of mud. Yep. The mud dries out.

Now you've got like dust and dirt. Yeah, everywhere. But it's several inches thick at its peak. And from space, this place looks like a mini super dome. It does. It's like a dome. It's just a rounded like a silo. I think of getting at the bottom on both sides of this.

Contraption. Contraption here. on both sides have a thing that will suck up on both sides. It'll suck up in here, this apparatus, and we put on both sides of the barn like right here. Here's the way it looks. Breaking news. Right here, we've got a lay of.

Like vacuum cleaners or what do you do? Oh, like a... We put it up like a... Like a vacuum system. You see them all the time. We got them. We got heat coming into the... this building, it's heated.

So you say, if we could get a suction going where both ends goes out over here, one over here and one back over there. It's going. It's blowing the mud out that we're doing. Yeah. You could just sweep it over to that. So, no, no, no, wait a minute, Al. I think Phil's analysis depicts what I was trying to accomplish in saying this is beyond,

the floor's dirty. It's way beyond that. And I think Phil's assessment. What you're saying is we have moved earth into this building. However, you're not going to realize from the tone of Phil's voice during this conversation because you think he was thinking like we all were,

somebody already cleaned this up. And it's not us, which is embarrassing. It is. So Jay Stone and Dan, they go tackle the beast. And look, they've been on it for days. Yeah. They've done a remarkable job. They did. But Phil's first impression, like it or not, Phil, you've got to own it. Phil walked in after they had moved, I would say four-fifths of the dirt. And Phil said, that's a waste of time.

because Jay called me immediately and said, I've been out here working all day, cleaning up y'all's mess. I said, well, you contributed to that. Yeah, you were part of that. And he said, Bill's first response was, that's a waste of time. All the full wheelers coming in and out.

If you go through that gate, the door. You get the door up, you haul in a load of dirt. Right. And then I'm saying unless we could come up with a device on both sides, that's sucking air. Right. Well, we came up with two devices, Phil. Dan and Jay. Yeah, that was our two.

They're the two devices. So you either have to hire two men that works all the time to get the dirt out of the building. Because your point is it's going to be ongoing every time somebody goes to the land. I get it. You walk out the door, you flip a switch. and both of those they're like this. Somebody whose list is going to send us

the blueprints for your plan, I can guarantee you that. There are some who have conquered it. At this stage of your maturity in life, Phil, we can't have a little intervention. So what happened was that hurt Jay's feelings because he thought, it's like when I was a kid,

you used to be a master at this. I would go do something like haul the nets and clean them or whatever, and you'd say, boy, you're the greatest, neck cleaner of all times. Greatest trap baiter. I thought, man, I feel special. But I realized you were bragging on me, so I keep doing it.

So Jay got his feelings hurt because you just said he wasted his time. It wasn't a waste of time, but either you have to do something before you pull the mud. I see your point now. I didn't get it either. Well, he didn't get your point. Because what you were saying was. That gate over there, if there's a sister. them.

Yeah, I got you. Most time they're at the ceiling, but this one will be down on the bottom. People have those in their houses. So did you not mean when he cleaned it that that was a waste of time? Because that's what he took it as. Yeah, yeah. In other words, the thing about it is if you just go around there and you clean it all up and get rid of it. You're saying we got to do something bigger than just a once a year cleaning.

Get rid of it. It needs to be up. I'm with you. And there's some of them that figured it out. It's going down both sides. on the floor, and it's pulling air. It doesn't do anything, but pull air. Got some fans down there.

It's pulling air. And then it's going right down the wall, right out there. It'd go right down the wall. And it's just on both sides. It's about like this. I got you. So this all started, as you said, you know where this is. We're going to pull it out with.

No, I like it. I like it. It's thinking ahead. But this is how misunderstanding. I get it. I get it now. Because Jay never got past. You saying waste of time.

He's looking like, I just spent eight hours on this. And you're saying that I wasted my time. And we go over there and bail out a boat over there out there in the woods. And then bring it back in hauling mud with us. Yeah, but it hurt his feeling. Dad meant bigger. It's a waste time because we need something bigger. Jay took that as saying, you're an idiot.

What are you doing? Yeah, because see, what happened was I told Missy. Well, I actually just had Jay on speakerphone when he was. going through the, you know, well, your dad, I always know that he's mad when he's like, your dad, not his whatever he would be. His grandfather-in-law. Grandfather-in-law, your dad, you know, I was out there working all day, and he's like, waste of time, time-waster.

There comes a vehicle that's covered with mud on the tires. I get it. Either get rid of them before you get in here or keep on shoveling, boys. So, this is all started. I tell you how it started. So I've been waiting for season to be over because a lot of that mud and dirt have come in here. And so, like, it's dust everywhere. We got equipment in here.

Maddie's in here having to live in this feel. It's embarrassing for guests. Dan and Stone. Stone for what they're doing, all they're doing, they're helping out. Oh, it's looking great. So we have to come up with a system whereby you just. pull a switch up and it pulls the dust. Suck it out.

Along both edges. Yep. And then it's just blowing it's just blowing it out, dust, whatever's there, blowing it out, sucking it, blowing it out. I'm sure somebody that's listening has a plan for that. So let us know because we've given you the email address. Somebody told me that a guy about, you know, a hunts that hunts and all that. He's done his that way.

So Maddie, put that address so I can give it to them or you can put it on We need an air. But this started, Jay's, because we had Megan coming in and a couple of ladies with her, and I knew they were coming. And I just thought, man, it looked so bad in here. I was embarrassed. I thought, but I thought, you know, it's just the way it is. I told them, I said, look, if you would have contacted me, I would have told you

to wear rubber beat. But then I would have had to explain that because you would have said, well, isn't this inside? Inside. The studio? Oh, yes. But inside, it's about six inches deep of dirt and mud. Right.

And just because they were, they had their, you know how women wear their little shoes. Oh, yeah, they were dressed nice. And because they thought, oh. One option is to make a rack that's about a foot, you just come up on it. Before you drive through here, drive into the building, there's a rack out there on right or left. Have like a car wash deal where you drive it? Car wash. And they just pull up on it and you blow all the mud off all of around,

just walk around it, have a hose. It's got pressure on it. Why not just build a car wash? This sounds like a Duck Dynasty episode. Yeah. This is exactly how every episode got its birth. Why not just pull up into a car wash before you enter the building? It'd be up to you, me, and...

Willie. Willie. Who's going to finance it? Yeah. Now you're getting down there where rubber meets the road. How about where dirt meets the layer? Where water meets the mud. It's a rack.

It's off the ground. You're out of the mud. You're blowing it all off. It's concrete all the way the rest of the land. What I hear Dad say it is he's the idea man. He's looking for the investors. Yeah, but you said water hose. I actually had the car wash.

Because Phil, you're saying it's a waste of time. Well, if I have to go get a water hose every time, is that not still wasting time? I mean, I don't want to be standing there with a water hose. No, because you're seeing mud come off the vehicle on the outside. Like a power washer. Once you get power washing. There you go.

Now you can blow it out there on the side. You're saving some time because a power washer is better than a broom is what you're at. That's right. That's right. So I have a segue into this. Hang on, let's take a break. Because we've talked until the first break, so let's take a break. The segue is, my lovely wife is coming to a podcast near you.

Yeah, you're excited. So we just. Chase, can you think of anything that will solve the problem about you hauling in dirt? Because if you're going through the mud for miles and you come back, mud's up on your tires, what's the easiest way to blow that off? I like the car wash idea. Yeah. Can we not figure this out?

Sure. In the world of AI and... We ought to be able to figure out of our podcast studio. Redneck... Once again, I don't know that any other podcast in America is having this discussion on how to keep mud out of their podcast studio. The concept of how to... I've seen it.

I've been worked around people for the last... 50 years. The question, how do I keep where we're launching from, how do I keep from getting muddy? Yeah. We know where the mud's coming from. We go to the woods, four vehicles, four-wheel drive, mud's all up under them. We're slinging mud going. That's everywhere. It's just part of the situation here. Right. So we're going to get the mud, and we're going to bring it up.

up here. Yeah. Because get in and get out, you got to root. Y'all function in mud. That's what you do. We got to answer the age old question. How do you keep from being muddy? Because we fought it by entire life.

I think the fight's going to go on. So what are you going to say about your wife? My segue was that, so Missy heard this conversation with Jay. And, you know, she gave her famous line when I hung up. that's ridiculous. So, because she sympathized with Jay. She's like,

he's been working all day, you know, the better way to handle that would have been, thank you for cleaning all our mud out. Now, let's come up with a system

that will help. But we, Robertsons, we tend to not do that. You know, the man did just spend hours cleaning up our mess. So that was very nice of him.

So she, you had that in her in her mind for the segue that I'm giving you here. So, you know, she's one of these conspiracy theorists about the Super Bowl. And I realize this is going to be released a few days from now. But not too many, right. This is coming out this week. Yeah, so we watched the Super Bowl last night. I have to say, was it not the best Super Bowl game ever?

I mean, I've watched almost all right. I mean, it was. Well, other than the half-time show. was you weren't a big usher fan what happened that was beautiful well I didn't know who usher was I mean look I'm gonna say this this is embarrassing but I'm gonna say it because you gotta learn to laugh at yourself I actually asked my wife I said they have an usher doing the they got a laugh yeah man he laughed on that and missy said yeah and so the guys like midway through the whatever that was, and he like rips his shirt off. And I was like, well, let me tell you, that usher had been working out. Highlight of the middle of the football game.

Every time they would roll out a new person, I would have to ask my kids and grandkids, who is that? Well, they knew who they all were. Then this one came out, they didn't know who it was. And I said, is that little something? Because I knew there was a little John or little Wayne or somebody. And then we couldn't figure it out. So I just call him little pants. You know, he had on pants that went down.

They were like cancels. I really wasn't noticed. I tried to watch it and I couldn't watch it. So, but, so anyway, well, the part, and the other part didn't like because you had this, this Taylor Swift drama going on. Well, that's, yeah, that's been the whole season. Well, and every woman, which we did a podcast a few weeks ago, where, you know, I said I have very few women. of my life, but then we named about eight, you know, family and people I work with. They all, for some reason, thought this was all a conspiracy because of just money and...

She's brought about a third of a billion dollars, according to some marketing company, worth of market brand to the NFL. So everybody's saying, oh, well, they got to keep her going. So that's been the conspiracy theory. So, you know, it's interesting before you say what you're about to say, I was listening on the way out here today. The big thing today, all over social media, is that the Swifties,

they're encouraging Taylor to break up with Kelsey because of him bumping into the coach because they got into a little, he was terrible. Yeah, it was awful. So they're saying break up with him. He's not worth it. So just so you know, that's the only one. When he did that, that just showed you the pressure

that the, what do they call it, the Swifties? Yeah, the Swifties. I put on this fellow, and I felt for him, you know. But he's like, you're not even playing me half the plays. You know, put me in the game here, Coach. So I get it, but he just exploded, which was not a good look for him. He almost knocked him down. Did you see it, Dad?

Yeah, I saw it. He almost knocked his coach, though. So you want him operating at a razor's edge. That's right. That's right. There's a thin line. Right up to the point of being crazy. But they did.

I remember after all the smoke cleared. They won. Wow, that's right. And they started throwing in the ball. I mean, the dude's a freak athlete. Yeah. Credit where it's dude. Oh, he's amazing.

So after the game, we watched the game, and Missy's first line. Because what happened was she began to pull for the 49ers because she's just like, she believes this conspiracy. Yeah, so now she's like, I don't want them to win. Yeah, and I didn't care who won, but. I didn't either. But the more she got excited, then I found myself pulling for the 40. Because now I felt like we have to go against all the powers that are trying to design this. I put a $10 bet on your mother.

Did you really? I turned around there. I said, I don't think my homes and the boys can pull it off. Oh, boy. I said, I hate to bet against them, but I just can't see this working out for them. Mom, who loves my home. I will bet you $10 that they can't pull it off. She said, you got a bet.

Really? I'm betting you $10. They will come back and, oh, my homes will pull it off again. When I walked in this morning with some chick fillet for Mom and Dad, mom said, I won $10 last night. I said, who did you win him from your daddy? I said, he bet against my homes? And she said, yep.

And I knew my ma'am. would come through. That's what she said. But the last part of the game, you know, there's hide and all that, and he gets out there, and he completes eight out of eight on a run. He had to do it. The other team was head of them by, you know, one little group of days. And the game itself was probably the best Super Bowl game ever. So to end this nonsensical story, really the conspiracy, I didn't believe in it,

Because when you get it all down to what happened, the 49ers lost because of an extra point. That's right. Now, I get it. That changes everything. Because we don't know how it would have been to that. Still, it would have been 17, 16. They probably would have won. And so Missy's final words, just to put a bow on this conversation, as soon as the game is over,

because she's now been pulling for the 49ers, she said, well, that was a waste of time. Perfect tie-in to the other conversation, Jay's. And I said, four and a half hours. She's like, we just wasted four and a half hours. Oh, man. Now what? She said, I'm going to bed. I will have to admit, it was a long super pole.

It was long, yeah, with the overtime, because it went a whole extra period. Well, Missy's going to be on this week, so I'm going to ask her about before we go, before we take another break and go to our text, got a couple of appearances. Actually, the first one is today, the day this is dropping, which is 2.15, 6 o'clock in Florence, South Carolina. So if you happen to live in that area

and you're hearing this today, it's tonight. So you've got to look quick. Choice to Make.org is where you go to look for it. It's a pregnancy center there. It's at the S-I-M-T building. And then this weekend, Lisa and I are going to be in Coita, Oklahoma for a marriage event. And that's Community Baptist Coeta. Communitybaptist.org is the website.

Every time I go somewhere, just now, because that's why I've been missing on the podcast, if it's not sold out, I'm mentioning it. I run into people who listen to the podcast, and they hear it on here, and they get to come and meet me and Lisa, so it's pretty awesome.

So anyway, I did an event Saturday night, which is two nights ago. But we'll talk about it with Missy and I. Yeah, and I have one the day after years. but I think it's probably sold out. Some of them buyers are selling that too. Let's take a break. All right, welcome back.

So we're in Luke 24. We don't have Zach today, by the way. We heard he was in a conference with someone. So I don't know what that. What would that mean? Yeah, I don't know. He's in deep conference. He's conferring.

He's conferring. And I hate it because I wanted to get into some deep water about this passage. Well, you just not do it anyway. and then we'll find out later from him how deep it was. Well, I mean, we're in Luke 24, and to me... We've been on the road to Emmaus. Well, but just overall, we're here at... I mean, I can't think of a word descriptive enough.

That, I mean, this is the heart of what we believe here. This is the experience. It's not where, like, the New Testament from Acts on, they're talking about what just happened here. We're here. Jesus dies, is buried, and is resurrected. And then, you know, in Luke 24 specifically, you're seeing these glimpses of his resurrected body.

And really what's been the most profound is when you look at some of these phrases in here, you know, when he says in verse 39, touch me and see, a ghost does not. have flesh and bones as you see I have. Right. Because there's a big, huge belief in the religious world that the resurrection is just a spiritual thing. Yep. And so I think personally they're confused with what happens

when you die before we're resurrected. But to me, it's a no-brosephersonally. Rainer, you read 1st Corinthians 15, you know, Romans 8, 1st John 3. I mean, there's going to be, or Philippians 3 also, there's going to be a resurrected body that we live in. I thought about this watching the game last night. Normally, I don't pay attention to commercials because that's usually when I'm going to see something else, a game or something else. But with the Super Bowl, you tend to stay tuned because they have, like, funny and big actors. and all the commercials.

So CBS must have a show. I've never noticed it before. They must have a show that's about ghost because that's the name of the show. Did you notice that? Did you see in the promos list? I did not see that. There were promos and it was about the show they have on, I guess, on their network that's about ghost. Well, it's because we didn't watch it.

You could, what you found out last night is you can watch the Super Bowl on various. Oh, yeah. Well, we watched it on. You didn't watch it on CBS. You watched it. something only because the picture was better okay so anyway this thing the show's about ghost and so it got me thinking about where we are to what to your point jays and what struck me was i was like even now people are infatuated with the idea of ghost you know so it hit me in this text if they were talking

about this 2 000 years ago when they saw jesus because they weren't sure whether he was alive or what you know what's going on is he really back all this but the idea that they exceeding the idea that they accepted ghost even back then makes me wonder, you know, how long has humanity been wondering about can people come back in some sort of form where they don't quite leave or whatever? Now, Joe Beam talks about it in his book. We had Joe on last year, a couple of years ago, talking about the spirit world and ghost and all these different things about what you can be or not being. That was seeing the unseen.

This name was book. But it intrigued me, Jay, because I was thinking. people have been infatuated with the spiritual realm and the idea of where we go and can people hang around. And is there a way to communicate? And we talked about this. And I think the last podcast, one of the last two, about the witch at Indoor when she summons up Samuel. And he comes back and has a conversation with Saul. So there is a lot going on.

And of course, Jesus is back. I mean, this is not a question of him. But there's been a lot going on in the spirit. and the back and forth and are ghosts real and what do they do and what do they look like? I mean, there's a lot going on here in this conversation. Well, and their response was in verse 37, they were startled and frightened thinking they saw a ghost. Now, well, it says while they were still talking about this in 2436, Jesus himself stood among them and said to him, peace be with you.

But if you read, which is almost like he said, Whoa, whoa, whoa, like, settle down because you know there had to be an uproar if he just, like, all of a sudden he walks through that door and the door is still locked. I think one critical thing about all this in Mark chapter 2, a few days later when Jesus entered Copernum, the people heard that he had come home. So many gathered that there was no room left, not even outside the door, and he preached the word to him. So he's drawing this crowd. Some men came bringing in a paralytic, carried by four of them. They got to where Jesus was. Since they could not get him to Jesus because of the crowd,

they made an opening in the roof above Jesus. And after digging through it, Lord, the mat, the paralyzed man was lying on. When Jesus saw their faith, he said to the paralytic, son, you're sending him. are forgiven. Now some teachers of the law were sitting there, the religious people, thinking to themselves, why does this fellow talk like that? He's blaspheming. Now, of all the things Jesus could have done, he did this. Who can forgive you, who can forgive sins, but God alone? And this man is talking about removing sin. What do you think he is? Immediately, Jesus knew in his spirit that this was what they were thinking in their hearts, and he said to

them, why are you thinking these things? Which is easier to say to the paralytic. Your sins are forgiven or to say, get up, take your mat and walk. If I can get up, get up that paralytic and raise him up where he can walk away from here, which is more powerful? I'll remove his sin or I'll give him eternal life. But that you may know that the son of man has authority on earth. And this is the whole thing, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, that task of Jesus showing him. Authority on earth to forgive sin.

He said to the paralytic, I tell you, get up, take your mat and go home. I can do these things. I mean, it's what he's saying. He got up, took his mat, and walked out in full view of all of them. This amazed everyone, and here's the whole teaching in Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. This amazed everyone, and they praised God, saying, we have never seen anything like this. So that's what Jesus is dealing with, from the start to the end,

to this day and age right now, you say, 2,024 years since Jesus showed up. The task says, you ever see anything like this? You have the, we have the word, we can read it. Why would it be so difficult to say God showed up in flesh and he's out to save all of us if we want it? So the supernatural, what you're saying, invades the natural. That's right. Let's take a break. In John's version of this same story in verse 19 of chapter 20,

it says on the evening of that first day of the week when the disciples were together, with the doors locked for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood among them and said, peace be with you. So he adds that from that Luke had described. He just adds that one little phrase, The doors were locked. And it makes you realize, you know, they think, is this a ghost?

And then he's like, look at my hands and my feet. But in that moment, and I think I've shared this before somewhere, when you think, well, why was the stone rolled away? Because in our minds, we think, oh, well, the stone was rolled away to let Jesus out. Yeah. He didn't need the stone rolled away because he just came through a door, I mean, you know, without opening it. The doors were locked. The stone was not going to keep him in the tomb.

No. So the stone was rolled away not to let Jesus out, but to let people in. And then you see the encounter. You remember when Peter, he saw those strips of linen lying by themselves, and he started wondering to himself what had happened. happen. Or even the women on their way, and they said to each other, oh, how are we going to get to his body because there's a stone there? That's a sermon for you if you want it. I mean, and it's a good one. It's a good one. It's not to let him out. It's to let us in. And I do think that there's a spiritual application there. But so that that's one. But I think also you got to remember, after this happened, the resurrection. became the primary theme, not to diminish the cross, but I said this on the last podcast,

in the book of Acts. And it still is met with the same response, this idea of, well, I'll believe that a ghost can go to heaven, but not a new body. And how does this body, how did it go through the wall? Well, how did it come back from the dead? That's why I'm making the point about the stone being rolled away. I mean, was that for us or for him? If you can come back from the dead, you can go through a wall or a rock. That's why there is absolutely no difference

between the non-believers of that day. There is absolutely the exact same things that they say, we're counting time by who? say you're counting time by Jesus. It's 2040, 2040. It's since he showed up.

They're making the same arguments all the ones did in this book right here. Same arguments. I mean, he's trying to, what do you, God appeared. You're going to, in flesh. I mean, now it ain't not going to happen. I mean, if you talk to the people of this day, they would be just exactly like these. Sure.

Well, they already are. I mean, some of them are saying it never happened. Well, that reminds me. They count time by him, but won't admit that he ever existed. Right. I mean. It reminds me of the illustration on what people use who are believers. Because, you know, they don't know for sure where Jesus was buried.

You would think, and people who don't believe have used that as an argument, they're like, well if it was that big a deal why wouldn't they have made that place sacred more and to their fault they're doing that because when you think about it it's actually a stronger evidence that he came back from the dead and I heard this illustration from someone but I can't remember who it was

but they said it's like you know I hate to even put this in your mind but let's just say you lose a loved one and you think how people deal with that and the grief of that. Well, when they're alive, I mean, let's just say it's a kid. Well, the parents, they didn't go to this kid's room while he was alive and say, boy, this room, you know, this smell of this room or the little toys. Well, that only happened after he died. Then all of a sudden, a lot of people, they won't even touch that room.

It's a link to the person. It's a link to the person because they're gone. And that's what made it that way. Well, the reason I believe, and based on this illustration, which I agree with, that the early Christians lost the grave is because they had him. He wasn't gone. Yeah, somebody else went in that grave. Yeah, that's why we're not over there.

So when you see people, you know, do that, even when I went to, over to Israel and they had you know for $20 they'll tell you where they think he was buried and and you can go participate in that and I did I pay my $20 but you basically it's it's not a it's not a box like like what we think it's under it's an underground cave with but it looks like a little room you go down in a little room that they've chiseled out of the rock because he says here in Luke 24 touch me and see. But he seems to say the opposite to Mary. Remember when she hugged him.

Right. And he was like, let go on me. I mean, he didn't say don't touch me, but he was like, I got to go to the right hand. Yeah, the Greek phrase there is that she was holding on to him. She was like, I got you now. You're not going anywhere. What's kind of the idea. Hang on, Jess.

Let's take her last break. But I believe the point is with Mary, I mean, I've used, that same point of attack there talking about what the Greek was saying. But I do think there's something to the fact that he was saying, I'm not going to die again. I'm here. There's no, oh, you know, never leave me again. No, I'm never going to leave you. We don't have to have this big moment.

And I'm here. This is to the illustration that I share. And to that illustration, Jay, you're so right. because when I went out and saw the Reagan Library in California, and it's so well done, I mean, it's just, you just walk through Reagan's life, you know, and I was the first president I voted for, so I loved Ronald Reagan. But they set it up where the last thing before you go outside, where his tomb is, you know, as well as now his wife's, before you go out there,

you know, he's reading his last letter he wrote before he, you know, before Alzheimer's took over. And so you're already kind of weepy, you know, and sad. And you walk out there. And there's his grave where they buried him. And this is a place of like, because you know this is where they put him. And so you're linking it to this man. You respected, you know, he's good president, whatever.

But the idea is that he's in, he's down there. I mean, his body was put in there. And you only have that as a memorial. But to Jason's point, he's exactly right. When, when if Reagan had come back from the dead, we wouldn't be vowed in semi- Valley, wherever it is, visiting his tomb, because the tomb wouldn't mean anything. Exactly. And what I wanted to read here is because, you know, everything we've just read with the disciples,

you know, locked in a room for fear of the Jews, not acknowledging that Jesus has come back like he said he would. Jesus appears through the wall. I mean, that's for their benefit. and hours. The stone was rolled away so they could see him. I wanted to read Revelation 1, 17, 18. So here's this dreamlike story that John is writing, where it's an encounter with Jesus kind of in a lot of apocalyptic language. But right at the first of this, he sees this figure. And And, you know, the picture that he gets in verse 15 and 16 is his feet were like bronze,

glowing in a furnace, his voice was like the sound of rushing water. That's why I said it's like a picture form. In verse 17, when I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his hand on me and said, and they put this in red letters as Jesus talking, do not be afraid. I am the first and the last. I am the living one. I was dead.

And behold, I am alive forever and ever. And I love this phrase. And I hold the keys of death in Hades. And so that's really the picture that he was showing his disciples then and showing John in him writing this revelation. Because you got to remember Revelation, the first verse that this is the revelation of Jesus. It's his idea.

And so you get this picture in your mind, and I've had some pretty crazy dreams, but this dream became a reality. Because look, it's unfathomable for them to realize that a human being can walk through a wall without injuring himself. Right. Yeah.

I mean, this is almost like fantasy idea. Yeah, but he's like, I hold the keys. I mean, to me, death, they're just, it's a key on my key ring. It's not a problem. I can just, whoop, open it up. And he can either his molecules and atoms merged in with that wall and then came out the other side and reformed, or he had a dimensional doorway.

He just walked through it, and all of a sudden he was on the other side. Now he's on this side. So however he pulled it off, it's what he could do. I wanted to mention something else. This phrase, a ghost does not have flesh and bones. As you see, I have. It's interesting that he didn't say flesh and blood. And a lot of people have made a lot of that because you remember in 1st,

Corinthians 15, it says flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, meaning the way we are doesn't go into the way we will be. And some people have made a point out of that that maybe that's something you would need in a resurrected, glorified body was blood because it's linked to this. life and you know you have to have blood here to survive i mean it's the literally the lubricant of your body so i don't know it's a pretty interesting i think they get that idea uh you know from first christmas 15 it's just so amazing to me how someone can read first christmas 15 and conclude that there's no bodily resurrection but there's one verse in there where if you take it out

of context right you get yeah verse 50 And it says... The whole context is the resurrection body, by the way. So then you get to this verse. We've already gone through it. And if you're new to the faith, you know, you just read 42 and 43 where it says, so it will be with the resurrection of the dead. The body that's sown is perishable.

It is raised imperishable. It is sown in dishonor, it's raised in glory. Sown of Wheaton is raised the power. It is sown in a natural body's raised a spiritual body. So people say, well, see, there it is. It's a spirit body. But it's a body. It's a transformed body.

You get that from 52. But 50 says, I declare to you brothers that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. But I tell you a mystery, we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed in a flesh and twinkling of an eye. It goes on to say,

53, the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable and the mortal with immortality. I'm excited about that. Yeah, it's a body. Big time. But it's now able to, it's not manipulated by the laws of gravity and nature and decay. It's been liberated from its bondage decay to read Romans 8. And locked doors. and locked doors not a problem.

You don't think of the task you would have if you're trying to convince people that Jesus was in fact the son of God, he died on the cross for the sins of the world. If that is the thrust of all this, it is just, this is what I told you while I was still with you. Everything must be fulfilled. Now, you think about the task of, coming on the scene, and you're going to fulfill everything that is written about Jesus, he said, in the law of Moses, the prophets, and the Psalms.

I've got to fulfill every one of those. And that's what we'll talk about next time. Talk about a task that was waiting on you. I heard a great illustration, though. One of the scholars I listened to from time to time that N.T. Wright, we've talked about him before. he told an incredible illustration because he's like, I'll go all over the world and I preach and I get into the weeds of the Bible and all these concepts. And he said,

but never in my life was I ever stunned as what happened to me. He was with his family on vacation. He was telling the story. They were on a beach somewhere in Scotland. And they were seeing eagles nest. And he said, I'm holding the hand of my six-year-old grandson. and we're going to see the Eagles. And he said, all of a sudden, just in a moment,

he just looked at me and said, Grandpa, what's the meaning of life? And he said, I could not think of anything to say. And the reason I'm bringing this up is we're at a point here in the Bible that defines the meaning of life. We have a person who's representing himself as the life giver from above, the origin of life, and he proved it by coming back from the dead. And just to finish that illustration, he's like, I made a mess of it.

He said, but I came back later and explained to him that. But it made me think about Solomon in Ecclesiastes where it's really depressing because he was trying to find. the meaning of life. And he had everything that you could have. He tried everything that you could try. And he basically concluded that it's a dead end. It is a dead end. That's what he said.

And so I think when Jesus did this, and just to give you a pithy quote, because I did have to think about that, how would you respond to a six-year-old who said, what is the meaning of life? It's really a good question. It's hard to put that in a bumper sticker. That's exactly right.

You know, I came up with some ideas to find the one who gave you life, to find the life giver. So, but what's funny, if you want a funny thing to do, you know, as we're closing, just look that up on the Internet and see what the world says about the meaning of life. Comical. I mean, I read them. Homical. I read an article talking about a time waster.

the title of it, and there's four letter words in her disclaimer, but it said, the meaning of life, a ham sandwich. He wrote an artist. Written by John Godwin. All right, so that's not true. I just added that. We're out of time. We'll pick it up here next time on Unashamed.

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