Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 849 | Missy Gives Up Her Spa Appointment to Jase & He Totally Embarrasses Himself

Episode Date: March 8, 2024

Jase’s age and physical demands cause him to need an emergency spa appointment, and he might never be the same again. The guys dig deep into their memory banks for a song and join up for a little harmonizing. Phil isn’t too impressed, though Zach thinks they could really go places. The guys investigate the eternal union with Jesus as the reward for living a life following him and why people tend to prefer their own autonomy to submission to God. In this episode: Acts 4; Luke 20, verses 9-19; 2 Corinthians 4, verse 16 -- Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

That's the song you need to start singing, Phil. Time is filled with swift transition. You know that. The only part of that song that I understood. Unchanging. What's the unchanging? Unchanging. Oh, do God's unchanging hand.

Oh, that's a pretty good song. You had a hold. Hold. To God's unchanging hand. You got a hold. I am unashamed. I am unashamed. What about you?

Welcome back to Unashame. We had some singing going on during the... I think that was the first time that we did a four... Well, it was an attempt because I don't want to embellish. My wife gets home to want to embellish. It was an attempt at four-part harmony. And it happened organically. It did.

Because Phil, I couldn't remember how old I was. I was doing the math. And I finally figured it out that I'm 54. And Phil said, that's the quickest 55 years that I've seen. Because I'm fixing to be 55. Well, he also remembers that nine months of you before, Jay. He's got a little different perception of your timeline than you do. But when he said that, it just shows you how.

teaching your kids, Christian songs and themes is a good thing. Because I immediately burst forth, I guess, via the Holy Spirit. I said, well, you know what the song says? Time is filled with swift transition. And I didn't even, couldn't even remember the rest of the song. And then all of a sudden, Al broke out and hold to God. God's unchanging. And then Zach came in with a tenor harmony.

Yeah, the lieutenant army. You know what? Maybe we need to go on American Idol. Maybe we got something here, boys. Well, you got to remember something. What I saw. I don't think they take us in. But Phil, what you'll notice is for every 10 people that they get up who can sing beautifully, they bring one in who can't.

You know why? It's entertainment. Are you not entertained? That's right. Besides, you can't appreciate the diamond unless you see it against the dark velvet cloth. Well, you got to remember, there's people that drive from miles around just to sit behind your brother, my uncle Si, in church. Yeah. To hear him sing.

I think, Cy can sing really well. I mean, I know people think I'm crazy. He's got kind of that Ralph Stanley vibe. You know, it's got a lot of character to it. I don't know Ralph Stanley. Did Ralph Stanley? Is he the one that made the thermos? No, no, but if he did, he would, yeah, he'd be more known for that.

Now, he's a bluegrass singer. He can sing, Sa can sing, but the problem is the elements of singing. Oh, we have a picture of Ralph Stanley. He actually looks a lot like, he looks a lot like Sae. He died in 2016. Oh, he was the best, man. 1927, 2016, but he looked similar to size, so that was a good. illustrations, Zach.

But what I was going to say is the two things Sa has a problem with is timing and volume. Too much volume, too little. The timing is too, he's not on. He's not singing with the rest of the people. But he's not doing a color of it. It's somewhere in between.

Is the syncopation? Is that the word for it? Is that his syncopation is off? I think that's the word for it. I'm no music man, but. your point, Phil, DJ Chesterton said the world has grown old while God remains young. DJ or GK. GK.

I can't remember right. I think it's GK. Although his lesser known brother is DJ Chester, but he also did a lot of DJ in national. Okay. Well, let me. It's confused him with a DJ up in Nashville. I was just about the point.

I was just about to quote Chesterton when you talked about having to happen to have. Yeah, DJ Chesterton, man. Yeah. That modernizes it. I got to put my glasses. Maybe there is a DJ Chesterton. Hang on, Zach. Let me look.

Two turtables in the microphone. Okay. I didn't know my glasses on. Yeah, but I don't like to wear glasses because it makes me feel old. That's the theme. I mean, look, I had the most embarrassing thing happened. So I went and got a massage. I'm just going to go ahead and say it.

Come out with it, man. So here's what happened. Chase, confession is good for the soul, my friend. I'm not even sure. I'm not even sure this is biblical or whatever, but I did it. And here's what happened. Because years ago, when I played golf a lot, I did it as far as like physical therapy because I thought it helped me, you know, perform on the,

on the golf course because you just, when you play golf a lot, it just starts breaking you down. Well, I hadn't played golf for one time on vacation now. I think you were there in the last, May. In the last two years, because I've been busy. That's the last time I'm playing in a metal detector, which is also, you know, and if you do that 12 hours a day, it's supposed to be a hobby. But your arm will quit functioning. I'm not complaining. I'm just saying this goes along with the hobby, but when you turn the hobby into a

TV show and you dig a hole two to 300 times a day, especially when a grounds are, you can't walk the next day. And it's a combination of age and just being out there using your body, you know, in ways you shouldn't be doing for that length time. In the words of Steve Adam, Jase, you're just an old fart. That's exactly what's happened. So anyway, I go and play golf other day, and I actually played pretty good to not pick up a club in a couple years.

But the next day, I couldn't move. And I had to get up. We were doing this thing for the metal detecting company, so I was out there all day hunting. So when I came home, I mean, I just, you know, I could, I was barely getting around. I just, I looked a lot older than what I am. Well, Missy was in Nashville with grandkids.

Something came up. And she, she, and I'd already complained to her because that's what you do. your wife, you know, it's like, I can't move. I can't get up. I'm sore. I don't know what's wrong. I'm thinking I got something, you know, wrong with me. She's like, babe, you're, you're getting old.

That's basically what she said. She said, but I have good news for you. I said, what's that? Because she goes to this, what they call them? Massuse. Massage parlor. Massage therapy. They make it a different name.

It's got, what's it called? A spa. A spa. What is that? But they call it a spa. And they got the music playing and all this. Well, the woman who, the only time I've ever had a massage was this woman. And she actually was on our little duck show.

They heard I was doing that. And they're like, oh, we want to get that on film. So she came to my house or whatever. So she actually kind of become, I guess, a little famous for it. And so I was a little nervous about who it was going to be and all this. because Missy said, I have my monthly spa tomorrow, but I'm out of town. Do you want my spot? And I was like, yeah, I'll do it.

So you took Missy's spy spot. That's it. So that way it got over the embarrassment that I'm going to do it. I mean, my wife sent me there. Yeah, you were told to go. So look, I'm nervous. I'm already a little nervous about it. It's Missy's spot.

You know, because it's kind of uncomfortable. I mean, you know, you get in there and you get down to your skimpies, and even though you've got sheets and all, it just feels a little weird. Just being honest. Well, guess the same woman who walks down. Yeah, same woman. And she didn't know I was coming because she's looking at me like, what happened to Missy? That's quite the shock for her, right?

She was like, Missy, you've grown quite the beard since last month. You want to talk about traumatic. You're expecting to see Missy and then walks in and sees you. That was described the look on her face. Yeah. Because I said, you might want to put my hair up in a bun or whatever you all call it. I would just say that's a little funky for me. Yeah.

I mean, you got the chick she walks in, you know, yeah, yeah. Well, she's, look. But, Dad, there's nothing sensual. No, it's therapy. She's been doing this for 30 years. And look, she's a, this woman is an. expert here. And I told her what the problem was. She said, I know if you're here, there's a problem. And I was like, yeah. So did it actually help? Well, I'm fixed to tell you. So here's where I messed up, though. I said, look, I am so sore right now that I limped when I came in. I said, I played golf the other day and my flexibility is not what it once was. I said, so basically, I need you to do something about the, and I'm just tight. all over.

Tight. I'm sore. And I need some flexibility. I can't make. She said, okay. Got you. The next,

last about an hour. I know what that meant. You're going to be a lot more sore when this is. Have you ever, y'all remember the movie Fletch? It's a good movie. It's actually a lot cleaner than anything you can watch now. Yeah.

But having said that, you know, I'm sure somebody will find something wrong with it. But they don't make movies like that. anymore. It was kind of a good, funny, goofy movie. Very funny. But there was a part of it where he was trying to do a story, and he went to the doctor to try to get information. There was nothing wrong with him.

But he went to the doctor to try to get information. And so he's like grilling the doctor while he's checking him out. And all of a sudden, in the process, he was like, you know, so Doc Williams, he's like, Moon River. He just had this explosion of emotion into it. He burst forth into song. Well, because whatever had just happened to him was very uncomfortable. Well, I had that many times. I could not keep my mouth shut. It was just painful.

It was like a roller coaster ride. There's so much wrong with this conversation right now. And just like, I was in so much pain. Did you burst forth and saw? Did you ever see? I don't know. But if you could have watched it. Because it was like a roller coaster ride.

I was hollering one. minute. I was crying the next minute. I was nervous the next minute. And the next minute, I was like, oh, that feels better. I think I'm going to make it. So anyway, I want to tell you this. It was, I didn't feel better in the short term, but a couple of hours in, you know, after it was over, I started feeling better. And the next day, I just, I felt like, I felt like, you know, like I could run through a wall. I mean, I felt spectacular. So I went and played golf again.

I played twice in two years, Al. Do you know what I shot in that second round? 78. 78. I'm like how you did that, Al. Al said, 76. Safe. I was going to say 77.

And then you like changed your last picture. I told you, I'm either a prophet or son of a prophet, but I was pretty close. Seat. And I was in this little group, you know, and this young buck was just a beast, you know, hitting a ball. But I was, he was a little longer than I was. But he was like, how old are you? I said, yeah, that's what I thought. So, Jay, the, the, smoking that driver.

The scientific part of what happened to you, because I used to do massages a lot, too, is your muscles build up this lactic acid in those muscles. And that's the notch you feel in there. And so she broke all that up. up, which is why you felt so much better and you got to allow your flexibility back. I mean, that's the physical part of what happens to. It's a painful process. It's painful. You know, look, you'd have to have a professional.

Because in the moment, I thought it's over. I'm never recovering over here because she's going too far. This is hurting too much. You know, it just, that's what you want. That's the only way it is. It's a deliberate. Jill, my wife, I've tried to get hurt or like, if I got something like, can you work that? She doesn't have the strength just to get down to the...

Oh, I'm convinced that this woman could stick her hand through a concrete wall. Because I told her, which I was trying to get around the uncomfortability. I was like, look, you can turn that little music stuff. I mean, if that's helping you, okay, but I'm not here to relax. Let's fix the problem and move on. And all the little Japanese music in the world is that to make you feel more comfortable. We don't need that. This is, this is, we came here for a reason.

This is, well, that's what I'm saying. I'm like, you know, I get it. Because my wife, she goes there to relax and whatever and clear head and the stress, you know. You know, Jay's the old line from Rocky, Rocky three. When they asked Clever Lang what he thought was going to happen in the fight, I would say the same answer for you. What do you think you're going to get out of this massage, Jase? Pain. Yeah.

Well, that's what she said. She's like, there's. a program where you do the sports athlete program because that's what I did she's like then other people come up here you know women some women like just to relax and you have that whatever you do you know so well here was the interesting thing so I left this one part out before I went in when I went to the waiting room well there was a woman sitting there and there was another guy which made me feel good because I thought hey where's well this woman who obviously just would say whatever she wants to.

When I walked in, she said, what is this man day? And I kind of looked, I looked at the dude thinking he would, you know, maybe speak first because I know I was scary looking to this woman. But he just had to look like he was in the principal's office, you know. And he never said a word. And I said, well, my wife told me to come up here. You know, because I thought that would be a good thing to say. you know and she went well really that was really nice over i was like yeah i said so it's sanctioned

i'm on a mission so back off what's weird is i just had a moment as we were doing it talking about this for the first we've how many episodes have we done uh where we're this is 849 849 849 episodes and i just had the first moment i understand where phil's coming from on the cold open. I just had a moment like, maybe this isn't the best. Jason, I don't think Zach appreciate your cold open. I mean, but I've never had that thought before. I just, I'm like, I kind of get.

I'm trying to help the people out here. If you're getting old and you want some flexibility in your soul or go see a professional. No, I, I identify with everything you said. It just felt the whole thing felt awkward, this whole last 20 minutes, but it's because I've been in the position you've been in. So I, it was, I, Jill got me a massage one thing. And I, it was just, I felt awkward. I can't really.

Yeah, that's all. But look, when you go, you go for a while, you lose the awkwardness and you appreciate the benefit to your muscles. Oh, I know, Al loves it. Al, you probably got your own way. I used to. I haven't been in a long time. But now, after this conversation, I'm just the opposite of Zach.

I think this was a fantastic cold open because I'm fixing to make, I'm fixing to make an appointment because I need. I need some of that lactic acid to be released. All right, let's take a break. So I knew y'all were going to think this. I wanted to get that off my chest. Confession brings healing, Jay's. Well, because, you know.

The book of James, man. You know, one of my buddies saw my truck parked there and was like, sent me a message. Like, is that your truck in there? No response. No response because my truck. Missy took my truck. Yeah, her car was broke down. Your truck could have been at a bar and you wouldn't have got as much reaction as being at the spa.

Oh, Jace goes to the spa. That's our, that's their going to be our description. Jace goes to the spa. Jace goes to the spa. Spa day for Jays. But I was ready because I didn't want to come into a fight unarmed. Get it. You should arm yourself.

Remember that? What was that movie? Unforgiven? Yeah, should have armed himself. He looked at Cleannesswood. He said, you just shot an unarmed man. And Eastwood said, well, he should have armed himself. Watch the PG version of it.

Yes. Good. So 2nd Corinthians 4, verse 16, therefore we do not lose heart, though outwardly we are wasting away. Yet inwardly, we are being renewed day by day. What about that? It's pretty good. I mean, we're talking about the acts of the Holy Spirit. Man, we'll get a new body.

There'll be no... No lactate acid. There'll be no massage therapist needed. Now, they can go to heaven and participate, but their work ends here. You're not saying massage therapists can't go to heaven, are you, Jeff? They can go there. Well, Phil, I didn't go as far as Phil. I was like, hey, we're going to hunt forever, and guess what?

Ain't a game warden going to make it? I didn't go that far. No, they can make it, Phil. One night, Dad said that, Jason, there was a table, sit right in front of him, because we were speaking at a event with eight game wardens around the table. Oh, I don't know. And they all just looked up like, oh, no, we're out. Phil Robertson just condemned us into hell. I spoke at some game warden convention, and I stole Phil's line.

You know, that was my last line. You know, it's like, hey, in the afterlife, it stuck on forever. And I explained later when I got up, I said he just met on duty in heaven. He didn't say you weren't going to be there. He just said you wouldn't be on duty. All right, so we get into Acts? Yeah, I gave you the segue. Our light and momentary troubles, you know.

Oh, okay. We're wasting away. But inwardly, we're being renewed day by day. There you go. How does that happen? It's called the Holy Spirit. Holy Spirit. And the Holy Spirit is definitely the star of the show when we get to the book of Acts, because as Jesus predicted in John 14 through 16, he told the disciples, he said, look, when I leave,

it's going to be way better for you because the Holy Spirit is going to be in you and on you in the sense of what his power would do. And he was right. That's exactly what we're seeing. And, Jace, you were mentioned last time about that in the name. of Jesus. And you remember in verse 8 to the point you just made, Peter, when he responds to these people that said, by what power, by what authority, Peter, fill with the Holy Spirit. So Luke gives the proper accreditation where it belongs, and that's to the Holy Spirit, says to the, and then, and I want to read this section because I was saying about I was prepping for the podcast. this is one of the most amazing sermons in five sentences that's ever recorded. Listen to what he says.

I agree. It is so good. This is Acts 4-8. And remember, it's not Peter. It's the Holy Spirit speaking through Peter. But that's the difference now is Peter's getting out of the way. And here's what he says. Check this sermon out.

This is what they call a synonymous sermon, and it's powerful. Rulers and elders of the people. So he goes right at him. If we are being called to account today for an act of kindness shown to a cripple and are asked how he was healed, then know this. You and all the people of Israel, it is by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. And I like the way he put that in there because remember that was the big beef against Jesus. What good thing can come from Nazareth, whom you crucified, but whom God. raised from the dead that this man stands before you healed.

So that's all one sentence, but what a sentence. He is the stone you builders rejected, which has become the capstone. He just quoted two Psalms in that one quote, salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be safe. and that's just dropped the mic and walk off stage. This is a very subtle entry. There's no subtlety here. I mean, it's so bold and it encompasses so much.

And the whole sermon is, what, three sentences? Yeah. But it's just like, you know, we think about preaching, you know,

and build and sermon, Zach and all the work we put into it. But I mean, if you could just get up and say three sentences and sit down, that would be enough. what he just said. Yeah, I mean, I think that this is, for me, this is really convicting because, and I think there's a place for nuance, and I think there's a place for us to be clever with how we present Jesus and whatnot. But, but man, when you read something like this, man, it does kind of

blow nuance out of the water. This is so clear. And there's no question. There's no like, well, I wonder what he means by that. Is he saying that, I mean, this is a very, very, very clear, communication here that there is there's no other name under heaven by which being can be saved. I mean, this is so clear that it leaves no ambiguity. And I think that that we need language like that sometimes to, because we live in a culture that we speak in ambiguity because we don't want to be canceled or whatever. But I mean, this is like, I mean, he's risking it all right here. He's going all in.

And we're led by people, Zach, that the whole. whole idea is to be ambiguous. In other words, you give all these veiled meanings, you know, in this political speech. Yeah. You know, they say, well, the president's going to address this, and then somebody will get up a president or some leader or some deputy of the president. And then they'll give you all these words and this thing. And then so then it's open to all this interpretation of what he was really saying. Did he mean this? Did he mean that? Did he mean that? Did he mean this? He was sending a clear signal to this. He was sending a signal to that. And then we don't really have any like straightforward authority.

Well, that's, you know, PR, PR representatives will tell you when, particularly in politics, when they ask you a question that you don't want to answer, then you answer the question that you wish they would have asked you. Which if you, if you pay attention that they're always doing that. Yeah. What do you think about the border crisis? Well, I'll tell you, we need to have entitlement reform or what they don't go to some other thing that, because they're going to answer the question that they wish you to ask them. But to your point at the beginning of this, and Jill tells our kids this all the time, and I need to hear this. We all need to hear it. You cannot fake a move of the Holy Spirit.

You cannot do it. And I don't think that Peter, when he says this and with such boldness and such authority and such clarity, it obviously wasn't in his own power because it does say here, verse 8, Peter filled with the Holy Spirit said to them. Yeah. So it is the spirit. in him. And you think, well, man, obviously Peter's obviously speaking with apostolic authority, which we don't have, but we do have the Holy Spirit living in us. And in Dallas, Dallas Willer talks about certain people, when you see them, they just have this glow about them. And we all know, like we all see that in people. Like there's some people you just know, man, I'm around that guy.

I don't know what it is, but there's just a glow about that person that, man, there's just an authenticity, a realness, a clarity, whatever it is. But what it, What is, it's the Holy Spirit living in someone, and they're not throttling the Holy Spirit coming out of them. They're just letting the Spirit come out of them. And I think if we want to speak with this type of clarity and this type of authority, it's not going to happen in our own savviness, in our own ability to somehow package it in a way that's palatable for the culture. I mean, it's going to be a work of the Holy Spirit. So the goal then is not to construct out how we're going to say things, but more importantly, man, I want to walk with Jesus.

I want to be led by the spirit so that this stuff comes naturally or supernaturally flows out of me. Now, and that's why you see spirit and truth combine so much together. I think the idea there's that is that that's when you know you have truth when it's coming from the Holy Spirit. That's why he said, do you want to test truth? You test the spirit, you know, what you see in the rest of the New Testament. But Peter also used that quote from Psalms, and it was the same one Jesus used after he told a very uncomfortable story in Luke 20. You remember the parable of the tenants?

The man plants the vineyard. He rents it to some farmers. He goes out. He sends throughout the time, you know, workers. He owns the land. But every time he sends one of his workers to go get some of the fruit, they kill him. Yeah.

Or beat him. They beat him. Yeah. They would beat him. and he sent another one they beat him. Then he said, well, I'll send my son. Well, then they said, oh, it's the son. He's the heir.

Kill him. So there'll be no air and we'll get it. So it's a very uncomfortable story. And, you know, he gets to the end and says in verse 16, he will come and kill those tenants and give the vineyard to others. And when the people heard this, they were like, may this never be. Jesus looked directly at him and said, then what is the meaning?

of that which is written, the stone, the builders rejected, has become the capstone. So you get the point that here's God coming to people through prophets and, you know, judges and all the things that happen to promise of Abraham, and they're just rejecting him at each point. And then all of a sudden he sends a son, and they're still not acknowledging that he is. is who it is. So. And even the next statement, Jay says,

everyone who falls on that stone will be broken to pieces, but he on whom it falls will be crushed. In other words, what he's saying is, there's no way around this stone, by the way. You know,

whether you'd go against it or it goes against you, you're not going to win. I mean, that was very clear, uh, which to Zach's point earlier, about the authority and clarity of the statement. there was no doubt what Jesus was talking about in that parable.

He made it very clear to them. Well, we're just in our culture, we tend to want to say, well, just everybody believe what you want to and you'll make it. But when you think about why you could say something about Jesus like this, you should at least stop and consider. I forgot who said that there was some debate between an unbeliever and someone who believed in Jesus, and they were, you know, it came up something like, well, if there is no God and Jesus is not real,

the Christian misses on some finite things. You know, we might miss out on some fun things. But if he is real, then the unbeliever, they're going to miss out on the infinite things, which is true, which the point is, you know, we've all made that argument. But that being the point should make people who don't believe in Jesus at least stop and say, well, wait a minute. I mean, let me at least hear what you have to say. Because really, that is a universal truth.

What do you miss out on if there is no God? What do you miss? Well, we're all screwed. You know what I mean? I mean, there's nothing. So at least you should be open-minded enough to say, well, what a statement that is. I mean, because people will say, well, that seems like you're excluding, you know, other religions and other people. Well, Jesus did that by, I think, two ways saying this is, you know, Jesus was saying, this is not based on your performance for me to welcome you.

this is more, Zach says this all the time, and he's right. This is more about God coming down and becoming broken for those. And he was resurrected from the dead. All these other religious leaders, and look, there's been a lot of good things they've done, but they're all dead. There's nothing out there besides Jesus that is saying, oh, he's still alive. Yeah. I think that's the big shift here of what's happening in the Book of Action, the establishment of the kingdom of God, is this, that I think Ray Ortland said it like this, that we typically see the world as, or we see God as the desert and the world is the oasis that sits on the desert.

And that's not it. Like the world is not the oasis. So when you ask the question, you know, well, we're going to miss out of some fun things. Well, really, if God is real, the God of the Bible is real, Jesus Christ is who he said he is, then those things that we think are things that we're missing out on are actually not things that we're missing out at all. It's actually hell and that God himself is the prize. And so eternal life, I think this is the shift.

As the eternal life becomes not a, not more, it's not really about quantity. I mean, it is about quantity because it's on and on and on. But it's much more about a quality of life than it is a quantity of life. than it is a quantity of life. It's an eternal life is about a quality of life in Jesus. So it shifts us from thinking, man, I'm going to, I'm going to submit to this truth about who God is so that one day, one day after I die, I get resurrected from the dead and I get to live forever in heaven, quantity forever and ever and ever.

I can count up the days forever. It's not that more than it is. man, I get to live in Christ and with Christ, going back to what you said in the beginning, Jace, in his presence. That's the whole point of the ministry of the spirit, is to bring the presence of God to earth. And so when we get in this language about cornerstone and Christ being the cornerstone, man, that's temple language there. That's that language of the temple and that we're going to become, that Christ is the

cornerstone of that temple and that we're going to be living stones. in that temple, what's the point of the temple? It's where God dwells, God lives with. And so you start to see it's much more about being unified with Christ, being in union with Christ than it is about being some type of autonomous existence forever and ever and ever. But a lot of it may be, is circumstantial to people too. Because when Jace was talking about that about, you know, people just at least hearing out the gospel,

I just read an article this last weekend. And it was the title of the article, this which drew me to it, said eight famous celebrities who have renounced Christianity. Well, that drew me in because I was like, well, who is this? And so then I read the piece. And so these were eight people who were basically raised in a Christian home. But now that they were famous, and these are some very famous ones that you'd recognize, they had renounced Christianity and renounced faith. some of them had converted over to Eastern, you know, Buddha or Hinduism or different Eastern religions. But some of them and one of them in particular, I thought it was interesting because he made the same argument, Jace made, but for being an atheist.

He said, you know, this life is so limited. And remember, this is now that he's achieved fame, fortune, and status, because he's well known. He said, this life is so limited that I just want to make sure I get the most out of it. of it. And so therefore, I choose not to believe how I was raised that there's, there's, he said, I think there may be something out there, but, but I don't believe it's the God of the Bible or Christianity. And so he made the same argument that because it's finite, I got to go for everything, but it's interesting, Zach, because it's circumstantial because he's, he's got a, in his mind, he's got a good life. I mean, he's got servants, he's got money, he's got fame, he's got cars,

he's got all these things. So at the end of the day, it just becomes, idolatry to me because it's just something else to allure you to and to bow your need to. But ultimately, to your point earlier, Jay's, I mean, it's it is or it isn't. So if he's right and that's all there is, then he's going to say, I live my life to the fullest at the end. But what if there is an eternal implication? Yeah, well, right. Well, we always go there because that, we're just fed up with our culture. But really in this context, it was the first thing I brought up, which was, because these were the chief priests, these were the rulers. He's telling them, well, they believe in God, but they just believe that by their performance

and lawkeeping that they're somehow going to attain God's approval. And he's saying, no, it's all about Jesus. And they're like, well, we don't believe a human can be the son of God. And that's really what the issue was there. And so, then he goes, do you want to read the next part? Yeah. So then he gets to 13, and it says, when they saw the courage of Peter and John, and I love this, because I'm in this class, they realized they were unschooled, ordinary men.

They were astonished. And they took note that these men had been with Jesus. But since they could see the man who had been healed standing there with them, them, there was nothing they could say, which really gives credence to why these miracles were used through the Apostology. So they ordered them to withdraw from the Sanhedron and then conferred together. They had a little conferring going on. That seems prevalent in the religious world. Lots of conferring. Got to get a conference. You got to get a conference. What are we going to do with these men? They ask, everybody living in Jerusalem knows they have done an outstanding miracle.

and we cannot deny, which I think once again shows you that even a miracle will not change someone's opinion. It will not change their belief system, not necessarily. But to stop this from spreading any further among the people, we must warn these men to speak no longer to anyone in his name. So that just shows you, even though they believed it was a miracle, they would. not submit to the authority of the apostles or Jesus Christ ultimately. Because that's the greater problem of what, that's why I keep saying it's a battle of the powers. It's all about that. You're going to submit to something. These men and women who had submitted to this law system of making it to the afterlife and living forever, that was, which it was a good thing,

it brought Jesus. And that's where you get into tricky things in life, that everyone has something in the center that they worship and that they want to achieve. And a lot of those things may be good. It may be your family. I mean, money is good. We've all had no money and we've had money. It's better to have money.

I think we'll all agree with that. But if that becomes your centerpiece, oh, that's bad because money can't buy the things that Jesus is offered. That's it. You know, and it just warps your mind. So I think it's really interesting to see because we get so caught up in the detail sometime. You miss the bigger picture. So then they called them in again and commanded them not to speak or teach at all in the name of Jesus.

And I love this. As if, as if, thinking about Jay's, as if they had the authority and power to tell them what they could and could not speak when already we know the Holy Spirit is the one that's empowered the conversation. I just, again, I go back to that word arrogance. You're talking about arrogant. Well, it is. But we've all been there, is what I'm saying. We've been there.

Especially in the religious world. Absolutely. But Peter and John replied, judge for yourselves whether it is right in God's sight to obey you rather than God. So he kind of puts it back on them. But at the same time, he's kind of, and you know where he got this. You know he got this from Jesus. Because it kind of reminds me and remember when the Sabbath, Adjacies came up and they were talking about John's baptism.

Or Jesus brought that up and he said, was John's baptism from man or from heaven? And they were like, well, if we say it's from man, you know, he's got a lot of followers. If they were heaven, he's going to say, well, why didn't you do it? And they're like, well, we don't know. And he's like, well, then I'm not going to tell you by what authority I'm doing then. Because his point was, I'm the authority. And even though you don't understand this, you should trust me. That's right.

Because it's an authority that they do not have. That's my point. They don't want to surrender. They don't want to surrender. When you were talking about that, I was reminded of a T.S. Eliot quote, I looked it up, so I didn't butcher it. But it says, from the darkness outside and within, I want to me back up, they constantly try to escape from the darkness outside and within

by dreaming of systems so perfect that no one will need to be good. But the man that is, but the man that is will shadow the man that pretends to be. And the idea there is that we want to create these systems so that we don't have to be good. And I think that's why they were latched on. You mentioned you got, you're going to, Bob Dill has said it, so you've got to serve somebody. You're going to submit to something. They chose to submit to the system over, over Jesus. And the reason why I think we do that is because we really want a way that we don't have to be good.

Just give me a system. give me like the thing I can accomplish without having to actually, you know, be good in the end. And conversely, when you mentioned earlier, you don't have to, you may not believe in the miracle. If you're so committed to your system, you may not believe in the miracle, which is what I think Jesus was talking about when he gave a definition of blasphemy, the blasphemy, the blasphemy, the blasphemy is blasphemy. Because what it ultimately is is it's even in the face of the obvious, you're like, nope, I'm putting my fingers in my hands. ear and I'm not going to believe it no matter what you do because I'm not after truth. What I'm after is the preservation of my system because I want to maintain my own personal autonomy.

I'm not interested in being unified with. Zach, when you said that, it reminded me of the sister that one time gave me this thing she was facing. She gave me two choices and wanted me to tell her what she needed to do. And I said, well, sister, it sounds like to me, that's your choice. You just got to decide one of the other and go for it. And she said, no, I'd rather you just tell me what I can and can't do. Yeah.

Tell me what to do. Tell me what to do. Yeah, but I think it's deeper than, I mean, I agree with what y'all are saying, but I think it's even deeper because we like it. You know, we're in a culture, and it's been that way since the beginning of time, where we want to do what we like, we want to do what we do. And then you have followers. Well, all these men are religious leaders.

They have followers. They're the guy. And they liked it. It made me think of social media. which is why it's so predominant and it just took off because people like to be liked and they like people following them and so i wrote this down for some odd reason but you know really what god is is saying is that when it comes to likes and followers we should have one like and that's god's approval if god likes it I'm good.

We don't need any more. I don't need any more. So I want one like. I want to have zero followers. And I'm following one. So that's the new social media equation that will change the world. To success. So let me say it again so I can get this on record.

That's pretty good. Did you patent this? You have what? You're only after one like. Yeah, we're patting in this right now. One like. If God likes it, I'm good. So that's that.

So I will have one like. I personally have zero followers. You don't want any followers. Don't follow me. We're going off, you know, off a cliff. Yeah. But I only follow one. So it's pretty easy.

It's one. Zero, one zero, 101. Yeah. It's social media 101. Social media 101. I need that shirt. we have a t-shirt social media 101

one like zero followers and our following one that's good you know what we we oh oh now let me

it's turning so let me tell you so let me tell you how this happened so I'm a I'm a bachelor last night because of a series

thing my wife's staying at a hospital family loved one and i i tried to go to sleep i'm having trouble sleep i finally go to sleep then i wake up and i thought one like zero followers i follow one i scribbled it down on a piece of paper and then went back to sleep and then slept like a baby so i was supposed to give you that but the reason i was thinking that because when i read that of the acts four 18 20 i want to to show you where it came from. Well, and we won't go through the details, because in chapter five, another event happens we'll get.

But at the end, I just want to read it because it's the same general thrust. This guy, Gamalil, they have an altercation on what are we going to do with these men. Same kind of deal. And he makes this profound statement in verse, chapter five, in verse, looks like 38. 38. 38. Therefore, in the present case, I advise you, leave these men alone. Let them go.

For if their purpose or activity is of human origin, it will fail. But if it is from God, you will not be able to stop these men. You will only find yourself fighting against God. That was actually truth. Go back to the same thing I've been saying. there is a battle of wills, yours and God's, a battle of powers. Jesus is the ultimate power against everything else. It's over and over and over.

And the reason they're showing courage and confidence and boldness is because they're worried about God's approval. They're not worried about men, especially in the context of the resurrection of the dead. To your point, Phil, what are they going to do? Going to take them to jail? What are they going to kill them? guess what? I'll be back. Once you believe that is real, you become very bold. It's just the gloves have come off, which is why they can make a statement like that.

Salvation is found in no one else. And so once you kind of look at what he's offering, and then you realize, look, this is not me, this is the Holy Spirit. Because just think about Peter's, which we haven't talked about really. but Peter has gone opposite is not even a strong enough word he was denying Jesus three times Jesus called him Satan

you know he was just sticking his foot in his mouth he was running scared and then all of a sudden something that has happened I mean he's going around healing people fearless you're not worried about going to jail

getting flaws being threatened. Don't ever say God won't forgive you. I mean, I'm just telling you, he turned into a mighty warrior for the Lord. And it's just hard to let the words on the page even reflect how big a change that was. And you see the same thing happening with Saul turning to Paul. And you're right, Jay's because they had jailed them and then, you know, then they let them out because they weren't sure what to do with them.

And then we get to chapter five, they're going to jail them again, and then the angels let them out. But think about it, this weeks earlier, they saw Jesus go into, you know, into their possession, and they killed him. So if you're one of the disciples, as soon as they put you in jail, you got to be thinking, well, this is it. I mean, like, they're fixing a dude to us what they did to Jesus. He told us that.

And yet, instead of coming out of it, like, we're going to renounce our faith, they doubled down and say we can't stop talking about it. So do whatever you, do whatever you got to do, believe whatever you got to believe, but we're not going to stop. Exactly. Well, and they're loving everybody. I mean, look, they're wanting these religious leaders to change their heart. They're telling them to repent.

You see somebody die and in a few days, and he said, I'll see you later. Give me a few days, basically. And you see him step forward and said, okay. Now, now we got a mission. We got a job to do here. Yeah. And the ones that ran out on him and all that said, good, not living.

Yeah. Look, I mean, he did it. Well, see, these kind of stories make me, and look, a lot of y'all might listen, and I know there's so many different forms of Christianity and religious groups. There's a different group on every street corner. And look, I go to most of them.

Because a lot of things we've said, I'm sure some religious groups disagree with, you know. And you're like, well, don't you go? like these real charismatic churches look i've been to all of them and i'll you know i love them i love these people and you say well why do you do that because if we love jesus i'm going to be there i'm going to have conversations i'm going to disagree with you about points and and they know that but i know from this that i'm not going to be so scared and timid that i'm going to go do my own little thing and try to get a group of people that agree with me on every little little thing i'm going to be out

and about having conversations. Yeah, it's good thinking. That's just what I did. Yeah, it's, it's a, we would view it as a great hall. And it's, it's, it's what C.S. Lewis wrote about, mere Christianity. I mean, that's the whole point of the book, really. It's, we, we all live in the great hall. We may have our side rooms where we can have different opinions and discussions on, but, man,

we're all part of the same great hall. And I don't think, yeah, our heart is not to get in one room of the great hall and say, nope, this is the only room. This is the great hall. Now, there is a lot of room, even on stuff that we hold very dear, like our eschatology. I mean, we're not going to sit there to divide over that. We're not going to, there's a lot of good brothers and sisters that we disagree with, that disagree with us. And guess what?

We're not right on everything. We're only right on the things that we're right about. We think we're right on everything that we, but until we're convinced differently. We've all changed positions on things. We don't even agree on everything, the four of us. So we try to keep the mindset and Jay's read the quote, which we'll get into the next podcast. mail when he says basically what he's saying, I could be wrong. We could be wrong. So we need to hold the possibility that maybe these guys are right. A great title for a book, by the way.

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