Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 85 | Willie's Birthday Present, Jase's Answer to 'I Was Born That Way,' and Phil's Chinese Paddle

Episode Date: May 6, 2020

Phil, Si, Willie, and Missy celebrate their birthdays in quarantine, and Willie's embarrassing admission gives Jase a great idea for a present. Phil learns that an "AirDrop" has nothing to do with planes. Jase explains why he doesn't like "born that way" as an excuse. And the guys discuss grace vs. works and rule-keeping vs. the law of love. A note from Miss Kay winds down the podcast FAST. See episodes of "Unashamed with Phil Robertson": https://bit.ly/2J4XsiX   See clips from Phil's TV show "In the Woods with Phil": https://bit.ly/2PNM6k1 - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unachanged. What about you? Well, I want to say, because I won't see you tomorrow, so happy birthday, Phil. Yeah, we know that you'll be a number that we don't need to get into. It's just a number. 74. Okay. There it was.

So, you know what? Did you ever imagine yourself being 74, Dad? I mean, could you, as you look back over the span of it? All I know that for years, I thought if you were. You were old. Somebody, Dan sent me. Nothing's changed, Phil. Dan held his computer in front of me

because of something I had said and somebody, some little chick had said, I love that old man. So Dan showed me that. He said, they think you're old, Phil. He said, well, hey. So what people don't know is April, this week, there's a lot of people with birthdays. We used to love this week when we were filming

because they gave us the week off because we had so many birthdays. You remember that? So yesterday was Willie and Missy, my wife. It was their, they have the same birthday. So what I did was, you know, ever since Willie on the podcast, dropped me, he gave me those $50 bills when I thought, you know, I'm going to have to start getting him something for his birthday. And I just want to say, when Al's birthday rolled around January 5,

what did you get? I got nothing. I mean, I said, Willie, do you want to be? to be on the podcast? No, I didn't even get a return back from text. I was thinking a hundred, $100 bills would be like the ultimate oldest brother. You know, if you really want to make a splash, you need to develop a certain set of skills that are priceless because I think that was the hidden thing. So here's what I did for Willie's birthday. How many he's still trying to butter you up from all the years y'all were fought all the time? Yeah, I think it was more of a duck commander

issue. He's still getting work out of you. I was leaking all. I was, I was wanting to go a different direction, and he coming there with him $50, $50 bills, and boy, I went right back into the fold. You know what I mean? Somebody throwing around money like that. He knows you're a sucker for cash, Jay, that's the deal. I need to work for this man. That's poker money.

So, but here, I think you'll find pretty interesting what I did, because Willie's hard to buy for. In fact, he's impossible. What do you buy for a money? What do you buy the man who has everything, right? So here's what I did. I think you'll find this interesting. So when I, we had day two of running with ops.

So we told about day one in an earlier episode. Google it. You'll find it. So day two I went, which was four days later. I run them again and guess what? Same story. I had about a 10-pounder. And well, Willie came down that day.

I think he was just seeing, because now the quarantine, you know, I think he was just checking on mom. Probably just wanted to get out of his house. He said, he's got a house full up there. So he said, of course, this is the day before his birthday. And he's like, oh, you caught a hop? He's like, you know, I caught a catfish other day. I couldn't even remember how to clean the thing, which is embarrassing. It's very embarrassing.

I could never forget how to clean the catfish. It's double embarrassing to say that out loud. I didn't say that, but I thought, because I saw an opportunity there. The scary part is when young men, when they get a little older and, and the money starts to flow, they forget things like, how do I clean fish? Yeah,

it was a bad moment. That's what money does to you. They said too many people working for and doing everything for it. It never got me, because I'm still, Red told me the other day, said, man,

I ain't ever seen anybody clean fish like that. I did a lot of practice, dude, a lot of practice. Thousands of pounds. That's me. I've seen that the years. People brag about their fishing and all,

we'll take them fishing. And then when we get to clean them, I'm looking at him, I'm thinking, that dude's a bald-faced liar. Because when you watch him trying to clean fish. I'm like, yeah, you really caught him, honey, buddy. Yeah, you know. There's only one way that when you see somebody skin a deer, skin a squirrel, clean a fish, if they're doing it with such precision and speed that you're impressed,

that means they've done that a lot. Hey, you remember that cameraman we had loud? Look, that dude shot a deer. and cleaned it in less than 10 minutes without even hanging it up but he just looked like some kind of warrior who hadn't eaten in a week

and I thought he had been there before so people ask me who do you think is a great deer hunter and I always say him I've never seen any of his deer honey but I saw how he cleaned that deer and I thought okay

I was thinking he's kills the deer and he was used to doing it where it happened in the woods and didn't have to drag him anywhere I didn't think that too. He may have been trying to do this in the dark. He may have been trying to avoid capture or the authority. Is that what we're saying?

I will tell a story. I didn't plan on doing this. I think the statute of limitations is run out. Well, we hope so. But you remember that we were in Texas somewhere years ago? I might have told this story before. And we were, we didn't, we're in the middle of nowhere. We're duck hunting.

I mean, this is like 20 years ago. And Phil's like he tells lies. He's like, we need a deer because there was nothing to eat. There was no, we got there in the middle of the night. We hadn't eaten. There was no grocery store. We didn't even know where we were. And that joker went out there and had a deer in an hour.

He walked with a bow and error. He walked behind this wherever we were staying. And had him cleaned in just a matter of minutes. And we were eating that deer. I thought, man, I wish I could be like that. I mean, I didn't even know that was. He was a man with a certain set of skills. That's the deal.

But we were eating for such. So what I was going to say was, so I took the op and I cleaned him. Because Willie said, well, call me later, you know, if you're going to clean it. I want to see how you do it. I was thinking he's never going to remember that. So I video. He wanted a tutorial. Yeah, I video myself cleaning it.

But I did it like in Happy Birthday. I'm like, here's my happy. Usually you were in the boat with me in the fishing years. you were there far more than Willie was. Oh, I know. I've said that to him many times and he's in denial about it because he's like, boy, we worked when we were a kid. I was like, no, wait a minute.

I worked. I don't know how you got out of it, but don't be 30 years later in your testimony saying you worked when you had fins in your hands. You were down on the ground, the ground roots level, but Willie, you know, he was already looking ahead. financial acumen won out. Oh, yeah. Me and him were speaking somewhere one time, and we went into the childhood.

You know, we didn't have anything. We're working, you know. And then he was like chiming in there. And I was like, wait a minute here. Let's be honest. Same thing happened with me and Jeff. We were speaking one time in Oklahoma. And so we're talking about our lives growing up.

And Jeff, after I'm talking about helping build the business literally from the ground up, Jeff starts in and I was like, whoa, Jeff. You came later. Yeah, you came much later. You can't piggyback on what I did early in the early day. So I gave him the video. We did an air drop because I went over and I brought him. I cleaned the op for him and gave it to him.

I was like, here's your birthday present. A fresh, cleaned opalusus catfish. That was part of the gift. Oh, I know. And a tutorial on how to do it. How did you give it to him? Tell us how he gave it to him again. How did you get him the video?

Yeah, air drop. Do you know what that means that, air drop? And look. To air drop. Send a plane in that. He doesn't live that far from. What did you do? Do you have to let a drone take it over?

It's really, I don't even know how to explain it, but people, other people will know what that mean. So. Oh, I knew that would be good. It's a phone to phone. Instant exchange of information. Here's what happens. It's pretty incredible. I think we may have some redness.

I mean, if you're listening to this or watching it, you probably are familiar with that. Probably our audience is. But there's maybe a few like that out out there that don't get. I'm missing out on a lot of things. Well, here's the problem. Look, the video. That's still waiting on the plane. The video was five.

The good news is I don't feel bad about it. Look, the video is five minutes long. I cleaned the catfish from start to finish in five minutes with the commentary. But if you take a five-minute video and, try to text it, you know, send it via the phone. Good luck. Most time it doesn't work. Too big.

It's a gigabyte, millimeter byte, whatever. I've never tried it. I'd never been down in a gigabyte road. Gigabyte, yeah. So somebody invented a tool called anirdrop. If you're within the vicinity of the phone, like if you walk over there, you can push airdrop and whoever's around you, they'll pop up. you can tap them and then it just immediately goes to them.

You get it in like eight seconds. So you think it's pretty amazing. If you were going to go, you're talking about going back in time last time we're together, Jace walks up with his phone, he's just filmed a video of himself, Willie walks up with his phone, and then in a matter of seconds,

what Jace just did, teleports over to his phone. I mean, like that. It's called an airdrop. It's a spiked up version. It's a very good walkie. Well, because, you know, you had the landline telephone. They jumped from there to CB radio.

Everybody got into that. The history of communication. Then they come up with a walkie-talkie. I said, now we're getting somewhere. Well, then they come up with this latest thing. So you're making a leap from walkie-talkies to air drop. That little black box. When I'm like, no.

And there were a few steps in between walkie-talking and airdrope. The only thing I don't agree with are the names of both. Why do they call it a walkie-talkie? You're not walking anywhere. You're talking. Kind of like walkie, wherever you are, wherever you're walking. You can still talk. That doesn't make sense.

I know it. They should change. It was better than trying to holler out. But I don't like. It was better than a can and the stream than that I used. I don't like air drop either. What, because like Phil thought I've never heard of this terminology. I've never participated in this conversation.

That's why we're doing. And this is your birthday present. So you get in the message and then when's the piece going? Well, he's happy. Well, I brought the fish with my phone. So I gave him the fish, which, look, you know, you know Willie. He doesn't seem excited about anything ever. He was really excited about it.

He's excited about that I cleaned out off, you know. I noticed last night, which was his actual birthday, we had Rowdy over there. And he's like, oh, we got to go. Dad's cooking fish. I was like, oh, I know where he got those fish. So he had eaten it down here, too. which he came down. But I actually say, I hadn't had a fried op in a year because I hadn't been here when y'all cooked it.

Oh, you just missed it. No, I got it. And I'm saying, I wasn't even going to. I mean, I'm on this doubt. By the way, y'all ate that whole 10 pound up. Well, I told you, you're like people can eat a quarter of a pound. That day when we did the podcast, of course, I just, I went over that quarter of pound like it wasn't nothing. That's true.

That's it. I guess I wanted to get out there's this fish. He just started to be able to know. more than enough, but I saw y'all just. You have the public rule and you have the Roberts of Men. I ate two and a quarter pound. So anyway, that's the night before because I have to deal with Willie. He has to have a birthday Eve because on the 22nd is my actual wife's birthday.

And I don't care about Willie Ben. You're out. So you get the 21st, if anything. So what I did, because it's very difficult. And I thought this would help our viewers. You know, you got the coronavirus. I mean, it's hard to, you know, because I actually went shopping the day before. Nothing's open.

You know, like I went to, there's one place is kind of my go-to, all occasions. I'm going to pull up. It's closed because of the coronavirus. So I thought, well, this is going to be. Jewelry store same way. That's my go-to. Yeah. So, and look, so, and I had already looked trying to order something, and they're like, you know, basically now they're saying.

Yeah, good luck. We'll get to you. And so what I did was I went with flowers that I found at a grocery store, but they were awesome. I mean, they were like pink roses and this big. But I decided to focus on the day itself and the meal. And so what I went with is filets and bignets. Plus it rhymed. So I thought here's, yeah, I said, here's my gift.

She likes bignets, right? Oh, she loves bignets. As I thought she did. Yeah. And so they have these boxes that we had a box. Somebody gave it to us for a gift or whatever, forgot about it. But I'd seen it. And I was like, you take the filet because she loves filets, which I had.

And you take the dessert to be the bignet. I thought this was awesome. That's going back to your old homiletical roots there. We talked about homilettes. I thought you'd be more impressed. I'm seeing the softer side of my children. I don't know how that's soft. That's clever.

That's very... So I cooked the filets. Was it the cafe in my own box? Yeah, the mix. Yeah, New Orleans. Yeah, it's good, good, good. Well, see, it was great, too, because Karina's there. She's from Nicaragua.

And I'm like, you can't live in Louisiana if you've never eaten a bignet. Of course, she had a lot of difficulty saying the word bignet. I mean, she's like a sophomore in college now. you would think she could get it. She speaks Spanish, but this is a French. Yeah, she was like, it doesn't, that she's the benignyista da da, no. Don't look at the word.

This is, if you're going to live in Louisiana, a lot of people say, you know, I can't, you know, Oh, you cheetah. Oiu-Chita perishing, I couldn't find you. And I was like, no, it's Wachita. Another one is that shinny lane. Yeah, sheenier. There's R's in there.

And I'm like, they're like, well, why do that, forget about it. Just, it's shenny. It's like, well, how would you know that grammatically? You wouldn't. You'd have to be, you have to have French descent. You had to find someone. So anyway, it was a, it was a raving success. I thought it just shows you in life.

You don't need something material, you know. I like it. Yeah, it was good. Let's take a break. So also, Cy's birthday is this week. On the, yeah. He's, he's a couple of days after dad. It is.

It is kind of funny. We had four family birthdays in one week. So it's kind of the – of course, dad's never much on celebrating the birthday. That's never been a big deal with you. It just reminds you you're another year older, and that's a bummer. My favorite line that, and I use it all the time from you, every time we talk about birthdays, is the resurrection looms larger. Yeah.

I've been using that. That's a pretty good line. You know, it's amazing that we say it's our birthday, like that church. your starting point, but actually you were there nine months in your mother's womb. So you're actually, on your birthday, you're nine months old. That's right. So you've already, you need to go by your three quarters of a year that you already been on the earth. So you can just add that to your total. So you're actually to be 74 and nine months. You bet you're almost 70. That's why I like these. A lot of these people we bring to the Lord and this celebrate recovery and those type of people,

you know, they just view their spiritual birthday. They don't, if you ask them, you know, or have a discussion about it, they just forget all that. You know, it reminds me of that a tombstone, you know, when they said, why was he so bad? Who was the villain in there? Which one? Johnny Ringo. Yeah, Johnny Ringo, Doc Holliday was breaking down and, you know, breaking down Johnny Ringo psychologically. Yeah, that's right.

He's been working on. And he said, he was born. with a big hole in his heart, you know, a big hole in it. Yeah. And he's like, well, why was he so mad? You know, and he said, for being born. He was just, he just came out of the wound, one night. He just had a problem.

He hurt somebody. And the only thing you can do is shoot him in the head, I guess, to fix it. I mean, that's what happened, right? I was like, what a philosophy? Because they were trying to, it was kind of stupid. You should watch it. Problem you should be in born. I don't know why.

got all over me when I watched that. And then at the end, you know, when he shoots it, he starts saying, come on. Come on. Come on. Come on. After he shot, I thought, you know, if I was in the Wild West, because I've always had this, you know, long evening to do. That's probably the way I'd be.

You know what I mean? I'm like, yeah. He's looking at him. He said, poor soul, he's just too high, strong. I had to take him out. I have to say on the movie, in Doc Holliday's defense, Johnny Ringo had been making fun of him the whole time for being a longer. He never thought he would out.

outlive him and so he killed him you know in the end so yeah I've studied with a lot of people who use that they used their way of life as in how they were born you know like I've had people especially who have anger you know they they're like well I was just we're just born that way or you could even get into the you know same sex attraction people say well I think I was born that way you know but I think Jesus had the ultimate answer when he said, well, you can be more than again. That's right. I mean, because I don't like that for an excuse.

I mean, I'm talking about Christian people. Anybody. There was a guy who used to play basketball with, and he would just, you couldn't play sports with him because he would get so angry. And he obviously was not acting like a son of God, no matter what, but you always knew it was coming. He was just like a, I mean, he would just have a temper problem, you know. Pint up rage.

And finally, I just said, hey, he's like, I've always been that way. And I'm like, well, you need to be born again. And I knew as a Christian, but it reminded me of what we're talking about John 3. Because I thought, are you saying that there's something God can't overcome? Can't fix? I mean, it's in your mind and you're in the habit of doing this. But this is all about being free. That's right.

Which is what we should all be doing. So we're back to John 5. You want to continue our argument on John 5? Well, I mean, time hasn't changed that I'm right about it. But we left off with this guy that basically was crippled and Jesus heals him. And so as Jay's rightly pointed out, the backdrop to this is more than just a healing of a cripple guy. He does it in such a way by telling him to pick up his mat on the Sabbath that it's going to now kind of grow into a larger discussion. Because remember Jesus slipped away when after he had healed the guy.

Not only did he slip away, what's fixed to come up, the man went away and told the Jews that it was Jesus who made him well. Because he met him finally after that night. And what's interesting is because someone was an invalid crippled and Jesus healed him. Because Jesus was doing these things on the Sabbath, the Jews persecuted him. Jesus said this, my father's at work. For this reason, Jesus said, my father is always at work. For this reason, the Jews tried all the harder to kill him. I mean, that seems for ultra-religious people, they went from okay.

He healed this person, but he healed him on the wrong day, so therefore, let's kill him. Yeah, I had a good, bad, and ugly... I think that's amazing, Al. I had a good, bad, and ugly response from the Pharisees. The good was when they said, who is this fellow? We talked about that last time. No, that was a good question. Who is he?

The bad was when they said the law forbids you for carrying your mat, because they missed the point. Why not celebrate the guy was an invalid for 38 years he's been healed? Someone has this power? Which is my thought. Hey, who told you to carry that mat? And the ugly is what you said. Now once you have found out who the fellow is and who healed him, now you're persecuting him.

That's right. And you're trying to get it. Downright, ugly. And look, it wasn't just for breaking the Sabbath in verse 18. But even calling God his father, his own father, made himself equal with God. So there was the rub. There's a big rub. Whoa.

And by the way, the Hebrew word, Aramaic, for that. that is Yahweh. So when you would say Yahweh is your father, I mean, and put yourself on his level, that was a DED, I don't ever do for that time frame. So you're right, Dad. Their response was, we need to kill him. Yeah. I mean, that's pretty harsh.

He just healed a guy and you're like, we've got to kill this guy. It shows you how religious people can hold one day over another day. You know, the Apostle Paul dealt with that throughout the, Testament, the rest of the reading is some people think, well, on this particular day, people are still operating like this. They get hung up. They miss the whole idea about why the day was there, which was just a rest principle. That's all that.

Well, and then they picked up as Matt. You exercise a little strength there. I mean, that's out. But I think what they missed is they took that to mean, God quit working. And Jesus brings that up from this point on. In fact, when he gets to John 6, he talks about, you know, we've been working. Where's that at? We've been, let's see.

I think it's verse 26. Jesus answered, I tell the truth. You're looking for me not because you saw miraculous signs, but because you ate the loaves and had your fill. Do not work for food that spoils, but for food that endures to your eternal life, which the son of man will give you. And then they say, what must we do to do the work? that God requires, and he says, believe in the one he sent. Then he gets into somewhere where you're talking about my father and I are at work. I thought that was here, but I don't think it is.

And we're always working. I think that's back in John 5. Where is that? Yep, you got, you got. Oh, that's it. Yeah, that's in our context. About verse 36. For the very work that the father has given me to finish, which I'm doing, testifies that he sent me.

All right. And there, you just think about what Jesus is doing. He is working. He's after each individual person. And so he was trying to introduce that concept. Y'all made this a rule. You can't carry the mat on the Sabbath. I wrote the rule.

Actually, what is showing you is my idea. What is showing you is all the scriptures, which he brings up in John Vib will be on the, on the, on Tor, Dan. And, you know, they've, y'all studied the scriptures, which God had given them through Moses and all of that. But they'd been under a law of work so long 1,500 years that when grace appears and walks up to them and it starts with the healing of people, they still got it down to picking up your map was a work that they just conveniently added to the law of Moses on top of all the other work. But that's the kind of mind when legalism, as John, as old McGuigan would say, Jace, legalism is a killer. Let's take a, let's take it. The legalistic mind is the reason the atheist hate Christianity.

That's right. You should what I'm saying? Yep. Let's take a break. So that's exactly when you look at it, why Jesus, I think, introduces this the way he does. He's wanting to deal with this because this is going to come up again through his ministry. Remember another time it was picking heads? It was just in every one of them, you know, they kept honoring the day above the one who made the day.

And they missed the point of why it did it at the beginning. Yeah, the verse I was looking for, I don't know, it is in chapter 5, but it's 16 and 17. And my point is they missed the point of Genesis 2, 1 and 2 where it says on the Sabbath, you know, he rested. Well, they took that to mean he's still resting. He's done. And Jesus says, so because Jesus was doing these things on the Sabbath, the Jews persecuted him. Jesus said to him, my father is always at his work. That was the phrase I was looking for to this very day.

And I too am working. So he was trying to explain that there was a purpose for that. And you understand why the Jews, what, they weren't getting it. But still, for us looking back at 30,000 feet, this is horrible. There was no joy over the guy being healed. And look, you see the same thing in our churches. People will get so upset over a rule that they think has been violated where they're incapable of celebrating any kind of joyous, you know, personal victory in someone's life. physically.

It's not reverent. Yeah, they're like, oh, well, we stay away from emotions. That was this whole problem here. They had zero emotion over this guy being healed. If you can't celebrate that and say, well, wait a minute, who is this fellow who's able? I mean, they should have just stopped and said, no, and all they'd do is have an investigation and then listen, but they didn't do it at all, which was horrible. When I've had it happened so many times, you'll preach a sermon, man, you're into it.

You got the thing in there. you lay it out there and some guy comes up afterwards and you're thinking he's going to say man i mean you blew me away that was pop that that was something he says you know when you read that verse in verse 12 you left out this and you're looking at him like i mean like you missed the whole thing i was talking about because you were hung up on one little jot and tittle that i missed or somehow miss happens all the time i had it had a thousand times you know i've been a part of bringing people of the Lord, who were the biggest scoundrels you could ever find. And it, like, take two to three year process to get them to finally surrender, you know.

And then we all gather up and you baptize them and everybody's excited. And then someone will say, no, I noticed before you baptize them, you said, you know, you baptized him in the name of the father and the son, the Holy Spirit. You know, you didn't say exactly Jesus's name. You think that was good enough, you know? And I'm thinking, what? You missed this guy being born again. We've gone for a year.

This guy was like, you know, Satan's right-hand man. I mean, just a hell-bound heathen. And God has delivered him. And you're talking about the phraseology that was said before. Did you say the right word? Yeah, I'm like, I just want to say, Pharisee, flee from me, parisie. And I think that's where people just miss.

they miss what Jesus was trying to convey right here. We are not under a system of rulekeeping. I mean, I think my most quoted passage in all the arguments that I'm in with people is I wind up always back over in Colossians too, where it talks about our participation in Jesus, you know, verse 9, all the fullness of the deity lives in Bali form. have an example of what happened when he healed. And all the persecution that came from that.

Then it says, in him, you had the old self crucified. In verse 12, having been buried with him in baptism and raised with him through your faith, everybody's happy. When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive. He forgave us all our sins. Having canceled the written code with its regular. violations that was against us and that stood opposed to us, he took it away, nailing it to the

cross. We're not under that. But let me show you. A system of works is a tough system. And we're seeing the ramifications of it. Did he say pick up your mat on the Sabbath? That's a work. Look, let me show you the hypocrisy of religion itself. Now, I just read to you, Galosians 2, and you would get the impression, based on what I just read, cancel. The code means the code's been canceled. We're not under that, right? We're not under a system of rule-oriented performance, right? There are millions.

I get letters all the time that say, we're still under the law. Look, I want to show you something. So that's Colossians, too. The people who put this Bible together, you know, the headings in the Bible are not inspired. Correct. So I just read to you, Colossians 2. Look at the heading that it has on Colossians 3. Look at the head.

After he just said in 212, 13, it said rules for holy living. Look. So they just brought the code back. And look, at verse 18, rules for Christian household. I'm like, the person who was putting this Bible together, they're not reading what it said. He just said you're not underwry. rules. He canceled it. He took it away. You've been free. Rules for holy living. To me, it's no different than what happened in John 5. That's why I said I'd do some many lessons

from there. And that is the epitome of the example that I'm talking about. Oh, yeah. Okay. Yeah, we agree. It was great. And then what are the rules? And that's why when we brought up the debate last time about when he said stop sinning, it wasn't that Jesus was not concerned about the way they live their life. It's all about the motivation. We're a grace-motivated people. One of Jason is now, one of his more infamous comments out was he said, well, when we were raised, we were taught that the only rule is there are no rules.

Which is perfect. I mean, y'all from a rule system, I like your approach. I mean, your rules were crappy. Well, I mean, the one about if you tear up equipment, then you get a belt with it. That's a dumb rule, because y'all were so poor, you had crappy equipment. Well, of course it's going to be broken.

But his point was, it's all we got, so don't break it. When you take a boat paddle and you use the boat paddle to kill the possum. Yeah. What you should have got anything but the boat paddle, because the boat paddle is home, is hewned wood. would that you paddle out of a bad situation. Can I quote our president?

I try to stay out of politics, but let me quote our current president. It came from China. China. The boat paddle was made in China. It broke. You know why? Because it was a crappy built boat paddle.

I understand your logic. China. Well, you know what I'm saying is it led to a media of beltmen. China was a joke where you said, don't buy that. It still is. Well, yeah, I know it's a joke. All right. Let's take a break.

So I was thinking about that, Jay. You're right. So wrap it up. Galatians 6 says Galatian 6, too, says the same thing. Because Galatians, Paul says the law of Christ is fulfilled in one thing, the continuing debt to love each other. So you know, you're thinking about all these deals about rules, about all that. He boiled it all down to one concept.

You want to fulfill the law of Christ? You want to say, if you want to put it in a law context, just love each other. By the way, John... Bear one of their's burdens. Well... And this incident that happened with the... When Jesus healed him, you know what? Just kind of just jumps out at you after you just brought that up.

There was no love, Aral. No. Rule keeping. It does something to love. It does. Because couldn't you think they didn't get excited with this guy? They actually wanted to kill the one that healed him. The one who healed him.

But I wanted to kill God. Wait, how. They finally did kill God. They did. But look. But you have... But you have two extremes in the religious world. Because, see, we're talking about the rule-oriented, you know, because I'm always going to go on grace.

But then you've got the people on the other side, they're like, well, we can't do anything, so we won't. Yeah. They just sit around and do nothing. And they're like, well, we... It's a fair point. And when you go to the most famous grace passage, to me, it is Ephesians 2 when it says, because of God's rich mercy, he made us alive, God raised us up. verse 8 for it is by grace you've been saved through faith this is not from yourselves

this is a gift of God not by work so that no one can boast but then they they don't read the next verse for we are God's workmanship created in Christ Jesus to do good works which God prepared in advance for us to do so that's what my point is it's not the Jews misunderstood one key point They were like, oh, the Sabbath, you can do nothing. We have a rule. We can do nothing. And Jesus is like, hey, I've been working.

I'm working now. And we do the same thing. But it's the motivation for us because it's a grace motivated work instead of a rule keeping. I need to be looking around because of what Jesus did and looking how Jesus operated. And then I need to see what God had prepared in advance for me to go do. I need to make the most of the opportunity. But I know one thing from reading that, oh, he wants me to go to work. But not because I can be saved or not because I don't want to violate a rule,

but it's because I am safe. This is my purpose. So if you look back at John 5, here's some new information Jesus is going to reveal in this discussion. Because he starts, he goes from, oh, you think you've seen something here. When you get to verse 20, he says, to your amazement, he will show. even greater things than these. He's like, you ain't seen nothing yet. You think these, you know, a couple of healings that you see. And he says, for just as the father raises the dead, there's a little preview of what's going to happen and gives them life, even so the son gives life to whom he is

pleased to give it. Moreover, here's another one for you, you Jewish guys that are, you know, persecute me over Sabbath. The father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the the son. So, I mean, look, that's a major leap forward in the theology these guys knew. He said, you've been waiting for Yahweh to judge you? I got news for you. I'm the guy that's going to judge you because he was talking about those who would embrace him. I mean, that's amazing. Just think about that. That is a whole new, this is blowing their minds that this guy is saying this, you know? Well, I mean, they're probably thinking at this point that he's a saunus. Raven lunatic. Because, you know, one verse you skipped over, I'll always read it because I,

I don't know for some reason. I had never heard the term crossover except in basketball. You know, it's like the greatest move you can do. It's like a crossover dribble. You know, it just breaks people's ankles. Who is the best ever at it? Chris Jackson. Remember that cross-off?

You mean from LSU? I'm sure there's a few other pros that. I mean, yeah, in our dimension. Yeah. Oh, Chris Jackson, he had the crossover. But then there's jump shop. But then he had the step back. Chris Jackson invented, you know, with the guy in Houston now, is he still in Houston?

Yeah, yeah. With the beard. Yeah, I think. What's his name? Hardin. Hardin. I mean, he's got, you know, Mr. Stepback. Well, Chris Jackson, he was doing that 25 years ago, sorry to say.

But I like this because it says, I tell you the truth in verse 24, Jesus says, whoever, this is just such a profound statement. Whoever hears my word, which is what we just went over in John 4 when it said. had, you know, trusted his word. Right. Whoever hears my word and believes me, who sent me, has eternal life and will not be condemned, he has crossed over from death to life. Is that what yours says? Yeah, crossed over.

I mean, you're like in life, but you just cross, if you believe in Jesus, you made the cross out. You made the greatest move in life. You crossed over. Step back three. From life to death, it's an unstoppable move, even though you might die. No, not really, because you crossed over. I mean, I just don't know. I always thought about that.

I never thought about the crossover. That's pretty good thought, though. I like that. He said it. I'm just trying to understand it because it's such a profound statement. It's like, but I feel like you want to, when you meet people, you want to say, have you crossed over? By the way, read verse 27, Jay.

It's 25. I just love these. Time is coming and has now come. What do he say? When the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God and those who hear will live. That's your part. Well, then he's going to go all the way down in verse 28 and 29. He's going to look all the way ahead to the resurrection, the big resurrection.

So he's making some points about being raised to live in him. But then he gives you a little glimpse like, look, all in their graves will be raised. By the way, think how far he went, if you want to say it like. this, theologically speaking, from the time he walked up on that guy who was lying

there, he's all crippled up. From the time that happened to he's talking about over here, don't be amazed that this is

the time is coming when all who are in the graves will hear his voice and come out. Those who have done good will rise to live. Those who have done evil

rise to... Look how much ground he covered, Al, in just a short period of time. Yeah, that's one I'm saying. And all came from one act of kindness toward your fellow man.

Right. He does it. They said, we need to kill him. I mean, the guy I told you what to pick up his mat. Look at what they're arguing about and look at what he's saying. And you're like, man, what a way to. Yeah. I mean.

Well, just to. Hang on. Let's take one last break. We'll bring it up. A lot of information came out of that heat. You know what I? Yep. You say take a break, but Phil never takes the break.

He takes a breath. He takes a break. One, two, three, let's go. No, Fitz. You got time to go, shut it down. One thousand, it's over. It's a cup that started back. It's a computer world.

You all got to learn to live with it. Always think about that with these races, you know. You say he's got the greatest racer ever. And he beat a guy by that. Yeah. Oh, he's the greatest. You won by, I mean, a millimeter a second. I mean, you got lucky.

But, Al, you will have to admit, Jesus covered a lot of ground and a short period of time right here. I want to read this because my favorite part of this whole chapter is when you get down to the end. And I just wanted to get back to this work that he said he was doing because he was trying to get them to see just because we're saved under the grace of God.

That don't mean we're lazy people. And that don't mean we're not concerned about the lifestyle of others. Whatever he meant by saying, stop sinning in verse 14 or something worse. You know, I think he just went off the rails because he was healed and he was celebrating. But whatever that means, he did the same thing in coming up in John 8 when they went to Stone the woman, and he said, no, you know, and he went through that speech, which we'll get there later.

But you remember what he said in the last verse to hurt? Stop living your life. Yeah, he said, go and leave your life of sin. I mean, God doesn't want, he has no evil. He does not want you to make bad decisions. We can all agree on that. But we have two lines of thinking in the church. We have those who come up with rules that have nothing to do with sin.

You know, when you get into how you worship and how many songs you sing or whether you have instruments with your singing or if you do the Lord's Supper once a week. where you're standing when you're singing. Yeah, where you're standing and the guy's wife got up there, you know. I don't find choir in the Bible. Well, right. They get all, and none of that has to do with sin. Correct. You're like, wait a minute.

That's why I apply it to what happened in John 5. Here's people doing great things in the modern world. And somehow another, people took the Bible and tried to come up with a formula on how you go about doing. all forms of worship. And in this case, the Jews had it down to a guy's healed after 38 years of misery. And he's carrying a mat because of something God instituted in Genesis 2. The same guy that told him to pick up the mat, by the way. The guy now says, no, we're not doing the you can't carry your mat anymore.

And they're like, we need to kill him. What? But that's the same way I feel when I, you know, we do a worship song or whatever and there. And somebody, when I leave, somebody said, well, last week y'all did four songs. This week you only did three. Why is that? They're counting the number of songs. Why would you ask me that question?

You say, I mean, what part of this are we missing? We're not, you're not worshiping the king. You're arguing about whether I'm carrying my mat full of four songs or that. three on the way. You've missed it. This is not a rule-oriented thing. So he makes this profound statement because I know we have to go. Walked up to me one day. And right before I got up to speak, country church, we went in there. He walked up to him put his hand on my shoulder. Everybody arrived at that little church building in the middle of the woods, about 40 people. They all arrived there within one minute of each other. They were there. And he walks over there. It's almost

like they were teleported. I'm sitting there and he walks up and he puts his hand or shoulder. He said, Ms. Robinson, we're going to do what we've been doing for 69 years. He said, three songs, a prayer, and then you're going to speak. He said, fair enough. I said, let's go with it. I think I just said, just do no songs.

He said for 69 years. And I spoke. He was sticking with a plan. When I spoke and got through speaking, I preach a gospel to him, I noticed that when I said, well, that winds me up for today. It's good that y'all had me here. If anybody hasn't obeyed the gospel, they can come forward, and I'll baptize them. Well, when I said that, I look out there and I said, close my Bible, sermon over, look, they all were looking at me.

I'm looking at their faces. They all turned, they all turned away. They're all looking back. Every one of them, all 45 of them were looking at me. What was the average age of this girl? Old. Look, but the oldest one there. The average age old.

They were looking at me, sermon's over, and all of them turned in unison and looked back. And there was one old woman sitting back there on next to the last row. She was just sitting there. They all looked around at her. Look back at her. She went. Thumbs up. So they told me later, I said, what was the woman?

What was that about? She's there to tell us. believe him and they said what I'd say well I'd say Mr. Robson most of them

she'd go but you she said it was the best sermon she's heard since Mike somebody come through there in 1937 I mean she went back they went back

40 years she said that's the best one I've heard in 40 well that's good Phil they don't invite me I want to read this for you in because I know Kay slipped a note in and I want to see what that note says. But in verse 39, he said, and here's the point, you diligently study the scriptures because you think that by them you possess eternal life. Here's the author of the Bible. You think hating on the Bible.

No, he's not. It's awesome. But don't miss the point, which is this. These are the scriptures that testify about me. Yet you refuse to come to me to have life. And I think he was balancing what we're saying. Make sure you get the relationship aspect of what we get to experience in Jesus and how that works in freedom. You know, you have a verse 2nd Corinthians where the Spirit of the Lord is.

There's freedom. There's freedom. You'll know the truth. The truth will set you free. Yeah. And don't be a, you know, a rule-oriented. So mom is famous for leaving notes. Yeah.

And she left one on the door before we started the podcast. I went out and got it. It said, at K's Ribby Roast, 115. Now, there is a woman. And according to my watch, it is 110. So that means the podcast, Unashamed podcast is out. Jason, when your woman starts writing notes like that, then you can say, I've got the woman I've been looking for. Until she gets at this level, she's just somebody else.

Well, my mom, your wife, marrying you was the closest thing to a miracle that I've seen. So we're so glad you guys were with us today. You can subscribe on iTunes or Spotify or YouTube or Facebook. And be sure and rate us on iTunes so that other people can know about the podcast.