Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 868 | Jase Witnesses a Fatal Accident & What Phil Really Thinks of Uncle Si

Episode Date: April 11, 2024

Jase comes face to face with death more than once during his trip to a developing country, and Uncle Si has a strategy for working gospel lessons into his appearances at secular events. Phil gives his opinion on his brother’s personality, and Si jokes about the reason he really joined the military. The guys discuss how Jesus’ death redefined salvation away from “sin management” and into true redemption and sanctification. In this episode: Acts 11; Acts 13, verse 35; John 20, verses 11-12; 2 Corinthians 1, verses 19-21; Psalm 16; Colossians 1, verse 27; Psalm 104, verse 30; Hebrews 11, verse 39 -- Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? Welcome to the podcast. Al usually does that. So Zach was with us, but in some weird tech world, he sounded like a robot. Remember those songs that came out in the 70s, the old synthesizer songs? Hey, what's a thing? They're like there he.

Wee. Well, that was like a Mr. Roboto song. So we were going to do the podcast with Zach sounding like a robot, but that was only funny for a second. Because he's the closest thing on our podcast to a robot, because he's like a theologian. But then it got weird. He just went out again.

So when Zach joins us, if he gets his synthesizer fixed, which was really funny. It was really funny, but you're right. It wouldn't have been funny for the whole podcast. No, no. Well, it was annoying. No, that would be, uh, rock up. So we got Si here.

We have a saw on a nerve, boy. Introduce our guests. We've got Sai here today. And, Cy, it's interesting because Zach is having all these problems. Zach is our empire leader. Wall. Feed back for you. I think Zach's causing the problem.

So that was the little bit of the synthesizer. He didn't even get a chuckle out of dad either. Okay, so there it was. We captured some of that on film. Can we put a little of that in there, Maddie, to get the flavor just a bit? Just a little bit. So Zach is the leader of our empire of all our podcast, but he's based up in Black Mountain. So apparently there's some issue on the East Coast.

It sounds like a synthesizer. Yeah, it reminds you of the joke. How many dashers does it take to Scream and Lightbul? Because Zach's our leader from the production here. He's got all the people that made our movie that, like, did everything. Right there, it is Beck and Call. Yeah, we have more technical problems out of him than anybody. Zach's last name is Dasher, if you're wondering why I made that reference.

But he is half Robertson, so. So, Cy, welcome to the podcast. We'll have that you a lot. Y'all actually come up with some pretty good stuff. Do you actually listen to our podcast? Oh, yeah. Yeah, y'all actually put out some good information. Okay.

That needs. You know that needs to be the lead. We have a new listener to the podcast. Guess this person. Oh, that's funny. I love it. And, of course, Syes on the Duck Call Room. If you're new to Unashamed and check that out, that is a lot of fun to listen to that podcast as well.

Jay, so you did a little spring break trip. I did, but I want to clarify something you said. Size not just on the Duck Call Room podcast. He is the Duck. He is. The duck call room. There are a few other people that are on it, but the fact that I can't name them right now validates that Si is the duck call room.

Now that is the truest thing you've said on this podcast. I've been a guest a few times on Cy's podcast, the duck call room, and for the first time in my life, I couldn't get a word in edgewise. So I went on a trip, and I won't, I, you know, the group is still there. So I'm not going to go into the details just because I don't want to... It's an undisclosed location. No, I'll tell you the location. Central America. Okay.

That's right. Central America. So good luck. I left out of that. We actually went during, which is Easter week down there with my daughter and a little group. And it was fascinating. I have many stories to share incoming podcasts. We expect a lot of good cold opens out of that trip.

But it was awesome. And what came out of it is that there's a lot of people who love Jesus. We went to various things devoted to the Lord, you know, because it was Easter week. And I'm pretty sure there was a few things that we went to. There were thousands of people, which was something. And I had multiple conversations about Jesus, of course, because we had people with us that could speak Spanish fluently. And my wife gave me the best advice.

She just said, please stop talking. They're not going to get what you're saying in pitch. Because I went into charades. Yeah. And she's like, please just stop. Well, no, no, that's something that Americans need to know about, okay? Because any foreign country, any place you go, okay, they speak better English than we do. Yeah.

Well, that's what... I'm serious, they do. Oh, I'll tell you a funny story. So I'm there with thousands of people. And a guy who came up, and look, I know you shouldn't judge a book by its cover. Just look at the people with this podcast. However... Those of you watching can...

However, the guy came up... This climber. He had a handful of items that I would deem as junk that I figured he was trying to sell. And he comes up and he asks me in Spanish if I wanted to buy anything. but since I don't know Spanish, I didn't know what he said. So I said, I blow no espaniola, which I think means I can't speak Spanish. He said, can I talk to you for a couple minutes? I kid you not.

Oh, no, no, that's the that's it. And he did it kind of with a country twang. Yeah. And I said, and then, luckily, providentially, because I knew he was going to try to sit with this stuff. Maybe it was something else. for thousands of people. Our ride pulled up and I was like,

I gotta go. I have to go in this car. Why were you still doing the hand signals? Now you know he's supposed to English. I was doing the hand signals. No, no, because that was what kind of just irritated me when I went to Europe for the first time. You know, hey, some people...

You don't speak German, right? Yeah, no. So, you know, most people, okay, you know, then people over there speak three or four different languages. Okay. And almost everybody speaks a little English or a lot of them. Yeah, yeah. And you like me, we can barely speak one.

I barely can speak. English, okay? So, you know, if you want me, and I always, when I found out they spoke perfect English, I said, I got a question to ask you guys. I said, why don't you speak to me in my native language? Okay, I can't speak yours.

I said, you're smart enough to do both. I said, I'm not. I said, don't punish me because I'm not smart enough to speak your language. Good grief. And you were stationed over there in the military. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I spent 12 and a half years in Europe. Of a 24-year-and-a-half career.

So I don't know if you can hear that, but we need to mute Zach because he's back with the synthesizer. Either that or we've got to go into a 70s song. I don't know which. So, Cy, I was thinking about that because before we came on the podcast, you were talking about being people who consider you an uneducated bumpkin. But yesterday, we had lunch together, the whole family, because we're a little bit of ways out, but we just had Easter yesterday. yesterday was Easter Sunday and so Jay a Jay had looked up the top 10 you can't fix stupid quotes ever made and you're on the your one of your quotes from the show is on there because really yeah what was it um well you don't know how you've led us I know I can't

remember what he's saying and there's no water to drink oh I got it I got it I remembered it uh you You can't fix a neutered dog and you can't fix stupid. Cy Robertson. Top 10. You can't fix a neutered dog? Yeah, yeah. You can't be fixed. Because he's already been fixed.

You're smarter than you look because I'd never thought about that. That was a quote, Cy Robertson. The fact that you fixed your dog means that it's not fixable. Is that it? There it is. Oh, you can't fix a neutered dog. You can't fix a garage door and hey. You can't fix it.

stupid. How come he can't fix a garage door? That must have been something from the show. They were probably working on a garage door. Who knows? You had me with the neutered dog. You lost me with the garage door. Well, I was doing that.

I was confused everybody. But to the point we were talking about for a guy who maybe would say as a bumpkin, you got a lot of sayings floating around out on the computer land of stuff that you said before that people still quote all the time. No, no, because look, we was on our podcast, and Phillips said, you know, we was talking and somebody asked a question. And Philip said, well, hey, look,

what's known is manageable. So then everybody still tells me, where did that come from? I said, Philip, where did you come up with that? And he said, oh, I think one of my professors told me that. Well, they left, and everybody started looking, trying to find out. And guess who's come up with that?

Yours, Joe. It was in my book. psychology one it was in my book and i said wait a minute when he told me on the show i said come on come on you you're putting my leg on there that wasn't me he said no no it was your original quote yeah yeah that if it's known it's manageable you know well that's really that's what all good leaders say so dad i got to ask you something so you're the only one on the podcast that saw side grow up So what's your take on this man, your brother sitting next to you from young side that we would never know? I mean, you've seen him, watched him come along.

He's one of the most famous and loved people in America now. What would you say about his childhood? Nothing that was out of line. He ran butt neck for six years. I knew this was going to be good. And he had a riff with Ma. Because Ma said, you're going to have to put some clothes on. He said, oh, no, I'm traveling just like I look right now.

This is the way I rolled. So he ran naked. It was a big move when he had to start wearing clothing in order to go to school. I think he was kind of like I was. I mean, in the first, second grade, we were shoeless. Yeah, shoeless Robertson. We just traveled like we did. So he was trying to save money on clothes.

because he's like, don't buy me any. No, no, no, that's why I went in the military. So I remember, I'm big on freedom. Yeah. Okay. Travel light and travel fast. He went to the military for the pre-close. It's all about freedom, boys.

Oh. Oh, that's funny. And I wanted to say, you know, Cy, he's, I guess the phrase would be B-Y-O-O, bring your own oxygen. So I brought his oxygen And we didn't want you to think That he'd just come out of the hospital ward But Cy usually Uses this not on camera

But yeah this is my own fault Okay Two many Winston's Two many Winston's This is a cigarette So hey for the fire Throwing a junk away It's bad for your health

There you go There's a little PSA For all you smokers out there It doesn't pay off in the end Does it say No Hey the people that manufacture them Lied to you

Big time That's good That's a good We appreciate the PSA. Yeah, I like that. So, Sal, you tell me about this verse, and you were, yesterday we were talking about, because we asked what were we going to talk about on the podcast. And you gave me this verse from 2nd Corinthiansthius 119 that says,

for the son of God, Jesus Christ, who was preached among you by us, by me and Silas and Timothy was not yes and no, but in him has always been yes. Talking about the promises of God. I've been studying that. Have you really? What are the odds of this? No, no, no. It was an interesting take that I had.

Uncle Silas, Jason, Silas, Reed, Silas, think alike. But I look at that and when I read it, I'd never read it for and I said, wait a minute. Well, you might have read it. It didn't register. It didn't sink in. And I said, wait a minute, everything is yes in Christ Jesus. And then I got to study in it.

And I said, wait a minute, there's one no in this. You go to, I can't do it, but I can quote it. There's no condemnation in Christ Jesus. Yeah, which was mentioned in our sermon yesterday. That's what got you and I talking about. So, you know, I look at that and that just, to me, is amazing. Yeah. I don't know.

It's good. Okay, that everything, when you say it about the sun, right. Everything in him is yes. Yeah. Well, when it comes to the problem, promises of God. Just think about it.

It keeps you from becoming rule-oriented. Because people look at faith and religion a lot of times. They're like, well, tell me what I need to do. And they give yes or no questions. Can I do this? Can I do that? Because I've had that happen when I study with people. They're like, well, just tell me what I can.

They can't do. They always want to know what have I got to give up. No, it doesn't work that way. I was like, this is about a person. person, saying yes to a person based on his word and trusting him in that. Because sometimes it may not look like this is a good idea when it comes to being persecuted for the Lord or going through suffering. But then you always think, I can trust the Lord because it's yes.

He's promised me eternal life, eternal forgiveness. And he's one that cannot lie. And he can't lie. So to set the context on that, just because you're both right, in the context of 2nd Corinthians 1, is one, Paul brings this up when he's, it seems kind of mundane at first. He's like, you know, I plan to come to see you guys. I had this things I wanted to do. It's going to be a double, but so he's kind of given him his travel itinerary.

And he compares this idea about the promises of God through Jesus compared to the world. He said, you know, the world's like yes and no, you know, we got our list. Wishy-washy. Wish-washy. So he comes back, and his point is that's how you know you can trust God. but you can't trust things of the world. And so the contextual point is that. But man, when you get into the depth of it, it's even bigger.

That and it takes the pressure of you thinking you have to perform to a certain level to gain God's approval. Because he goes on to say right after that in verse 21, when he says, no matter how many promises God has made there, yes, in Christ, and 20, It says, now it is God in verse 21. It is God who makes both us and you stand firm in Christ. He anointed us, set his seal of ownership on us, and put his spirit in our hearts as a deposit guaranteeing what is to come. When I was talking about you, I go where Jesus run up on John the Baptist.

Yeah, his cousin. And he's talking about, well, hey, no, I want you to baptize me. And John the Baptist says, well, wait a minute, Lord, I need you to baptize me. He said, hey, and I always remember that he said, hey, let it be so because it makes everything right. Yeah. Yeah. That's a very good thought. It's a great thought.

Yeah. Well, no, no. He's into making everything right. That's why I said when I come up with, okay, what is Jesus' blood type? and I told this is a funny have we not done this on the plug?

Well, because here's the thing I know it's got to be going if something in there going to be resurrection okay and since Jesus makes everything right

okay we're going to have that in there so I got him old positive resurrection boom and that's his blood type oh plus R that's right

I do think he had an actual blood type because he became human being but one of Once he got that Holy Spirit, to your point, Romans 8.11 says the same spirit that raised Jesus from the dead if it is living in you will also give life to your mortal body. That's right. So it does. You have the DNA as a human, but you also have God's DNA. I made a story up about that when the show was big and I was out talking.

Yeah. I went from my birth to the first time I sin that was about 14 years old. Okay, and made a big, long, drawing that deal. And I said, hey, my favorite TV show is drama, and it's, you know, about the guy comes, the detective, lead detectives, comes on the scene, and the first thing he asked is, hey, we got any DNA evidence? Yeah.

Well, I made a big deal about that, and I said, hey, you know, I finally went to the doctor one day, and I said, Doc, here's all what I want you to do. I said, draw some blood, and I want you to show me my DNA, and it's got to be in color. Got to be in color. Don't give me no black and white pictures. I went in color.

So I go to the doctor to do it and he's called me up and he says, okay, Mr. Roberts, I got your DNA. She'll come on up in a lot. So I go through this long story about my life, you know, and I said, Doc, well, I got some bad news. I got some good news. I said, well, give me the bad news. Then you can tell me the good news.

So you're giving good and bad news to the doctor. Yeah. And I said, well, I said, you know that $2,500 you're charging for the test? Yeah. I said, you ain't getting it. And he said, whoa, Mr. Robinson, hey, you got to pay me. He said, that's why we do it three different times, you know, to get it right. And I said, well, Doc, I got used to last for you.

You didn't get it right. I said, because, hey, I got three DNAs. I said, I got my DNA from my mama and my dad. I said, but then when I was 14, when things went south, you know, I said, I went to, My mama said, hey, you're going to church camp in the summer. And I said, hey, and all I ever heard was Jesus is, Jesus said. And I said, I was actually sick of hearing about Jesus until I finally opened my heart and mind, and I found out who he is.

Yeah. And I said, and hey, here's the deal. I said, I heard his story, who he is, what he will do in the past, what he's doing the past, what he's doing presently and what he's doing in the future. and I said, and Doc, here's the part you don't want to miss. And I said, hey, I reenacted his death, burial, and resurrection by being baptized, and I said, here's the punchline, Doc.

I said, when I come out of the water, I said, he gave me his spirit. And I said, that's God's DNA. You missed it, clown, so you ain't getting paid. And you made this story up. And I made it up. And look, I did it to, I was doing it on stage at an event. I was with you. No, no.

And a guy in the front row said, you sorry, rascal when I gave him the punch line. He said, you've been preaching the gospel of me the whole time. And I said, you're right. You got to stay in front of your mind. I'm getting fired up, boys. I know. We know. I said, because, hey, God sent you here just to hear what I had to say.

Yeah. And I said, and I got you. That was good. I was the only human that doesn't... I've been on stage with Sae when he tells us. He doesn't drop the mic. He drops himself from the mic. Mike is still there.

Mike's still there, but he just leaves. It proves the point, though, boys. You get the point in. I actually love... I've heard you tell that story before, but I missed the part where you made it up. It actually makes a lot more sense that you made it up. Here's the thing.

The one that brought him to the Lord, Bill Smith, he's the one that made me make it up because he preached a sermon. Oh, I see. And he was talking about DNA. Yeah. And I said, I believe. I got a story for you. Well, I believe the human DNA is an evidence of God because it's a code.

Yeah. It is. Which makes you then realize just like somebody has to put code in. That's it. Oh, I'm different. Do you have a creation? You have a creator. If you have a design, you have a design.

or if you have a code, you have an encoder. And, hey, and I am a new creation. Yeah, God's good at that. Okay, and God's good at that. Because I needed it, okay, because the old one wasn't what. So what led Sinai to the discussion yesterday at lunch was that we had preached yesterday. We were wrapping up. I mean, it's Easter Sunday, so you're always going to preach on the resurrection.

It's just a question of how you're going to get there. And so we've been preaching out of the book of Psalms, of the last quarter. So we closed it out yesterday with Psalm 16, which is a fantastic Psalm. And the reason Psalm 16 is so famous is because Peter and Paul quoted four verses out of Psalm 16 in their first public sermons. And I had even forgot about that Paul did it.

But, you know, we taught, on this podcast, we've been talking out of the Book of Acts. Well, you remember it there, right? when he talks about that I saw the Lord always before me because he is at my right hand, I will not be shaken. This is Psalm 16, but this is Peter quoting it in Acts 2. Therefore, my heart is glad. My tongue rejoices. My body also will rest in hope because you will not abandon me to the realm of the dead.

You will not let your holy one see decay. You have made known to me the paths of life. You will fill me with joy in your presence. And then he goes on to make the point that David wrote that. but he was obviously talking about something beyond himself. He was talking about Jesus' resurrection. So he's bringing this point out in that first sermon. Well, Paul quotes the same Psalm in Acts 13,

which we hadn't quite gotten to yet in Acts. Same thing about this idea of David talking about, because he's trying to impress upon these Jews, because David, they're like, you know, we love David. He's saying, well, who is David talking about? So we made the point yesterday that out of that hope that you get beyond the great, That's what we think about in the resurrection.

But actually, and this is what led to discussion in Santa had, you go back to Psalm 16, and you get this first part of that song, you get this picture of holiness and what God brings into you. This is this and this in verse 1, he said, Keep me safe, my God, for in you, I take refuge. I say to the Lord, you are my Lord. Apart from you, I have no good thing. I say of holy people, he brings in this idea of holiness,

who are in the land. They are the noble ones in whom is all my. delight. So we talked about not only do you get the hope of the resurrection, but you get the holiness that comes from the Holy Spirit. And that comes from God himself to himself. The only place you want. It's in and of ourselves, nope. So you get these words like safe, secure. And that's what leaves is no condemnation. I'm a fortress. All those great things that come. Anchor. I love it. So you get all those different things. So Zach? Are you back, Zach? Is that work? It's work. It's working.

You are no longer a robot, even though you have robot tendencies. Zach, hang on. Hang on. Let's take a break. So welcome Zach to the Unashamed podcast. He was a synthesized. We have some applause there. Zach, that's your next movie is some kind of robotic being that.

That must be assimilated by the Lord. So we're right in the middle of I don't know if you've been listening We're right in the middle of discussing My sermon yesterday from Psalm 16 and Acts 2 and Acts 13 I think you should read though Just because I have a point that

Si triggered my brain like Bill Smith Triggered your brain That I think is a good point But the Acts 13 reference That you said And since we're going to get to it I won't read the whole thing But in Psalm

I think it's two, quotes that, says, you are my son today, I've become your father. But then he quotes Psalm 16, he quotes Isaiah in between, but in verse 35 of 13. So it is stated elsewhere, you will not let your holy one see decay, which I think is a powerful thought when you realize that all human beings have death facing them in the face. every day. Exactly. I mean, unfortunately, which I told you, I wasn't going to tell a lot of trips about my South

America venture. I will in the future. But I did traveling to and fro because, you know, basically what I learned is in some of these countries that have third world tendencies, driving down the road is dangerous, even if your driver is driving safely. Because in some countries, there's no line. there's no courtesy there's no sign you just get in there and figure it out and one night we're driving along traffic jams there was two major traffic jams and i want to tell you about just

just with this verse in mind that there was a human on this earth his name was jesus and his body did not see decay that that is a profound statement but the two stories i'll tell you is both traffic jams I mean, one of them was when we finally got to where what was causing the traffic jam, there was a motorcycle because everywhere we went, motorcycles were way more popular in South America than they are here. I mean, it's, and there'll be three, four, five, six people on one. Oh, yeah. Driving wide open, going in around.

Well, the danger of that is this motorcycle was stuck under this van. It wasn't a, it was not a van like you think. I mean, we're talking 1970s van, and there were two dead bodies laying in front of it. And there was all kind of emergency personnel. And they were dealing with everybody except those two people. That's how I know they were dead. They were just laying there. And it wasn't like it was way over there.

I looked down and they were five feet from me. It was the closest to me seeing dead bodies outside of a funeral that I've ever been. And I just thought, and it does something to you in that moment. You're like, these two people, they're not here. They crossed over. They're dead. It was horrifying, really. And the other thing that caused a traffic jam, and we went through it three times,

was all these people were lined up on this bridge. And what was causing the traffic jam, because all the people were parking on the side of the road, but not really the side. It was like a lane. And I was like, why are all these people here? And so our driver was like, he kept. I kept saying Cayman and I thought, because that's the only word I could understand in Spanish. I was like, alligators. And it's not, no, no, Cayman.

And so I looked it up, crocodiles. So when we went through one, I saw a crocodile laying there below the bridge and it was, it looked like something out of a sci-fi maybe. But about the third trip back, because you're having so much time to reflect, I realized why they're all standing on this bridge. because when I took a picture of the people standing and you zoomed out, because I could see it with my naked eye easier than the camera, cows were crossing this river. Well, now put two and two together. Why are the people standing there?

It is a show of the food chain. You're having crocodiles 12 to 15 foot long. Attacking a cow. Hitting cows, and people are watching it and filming it to the point of the whole country. is shut down driving down the road. I was telling my buddy about it, and he said, well, I'd like to watch that. And he's, you know, thousands of miles away. And he's like, can I watch?

I've seen that on the outdoor channels. I've been to say, just, yeah, that's natural geographic. Yeah, well to be. One of my favorite Instagram channels is called nature is metal. And it's basically, it's videos of what happens in the, in the natural world. Yeah. It's brutal. Yeah.

But I said all that to say, when you have God's Holy Spirit, because I think Si made a really good point. And I was reading Ephesians since we're going to go to there one day. Just what you said, so I just listen to this phraseology. What happened to you at 14, which, by the way, I was 14 when I came to Christ, I was the same age. In verse 8, it says, for by grace you have been saved. I mean, it's one of the most famous passages ever. through faith, and this is not from yourselves. It's the gift of God.

Not by works so that no one can boast. But then it says, for we are God's workmanship, and here's this word, created in Christ Jesus, to do good works. He makes us a new creation. And to give you a quote from another Psalm with that in mind, Psalm 104, 30, says, when you send your spirit, they are created, and you renew the face of the earth.

Oh, that's a good one. Where was that at again? That's Psalm 104.30. The whole thing is talking about the work of the spirit and how it worked in creation. Because you remember, the first verses in the Bible says the Spirit of God, it may be the first verse. was hovering over the waters. And isn't it weird that you just told your conversion and you have the Holy Spirit still hovering over the waters

to create a new people? A new being, yep. A new person. Yep. That's why you have all these new creation references and that's what you're seeing in the book of acts. I mean, I didn't mean to hijack your sermon. But when Si said that, I remember reading that last night.

Yeah. And getting back to you. to the promises are yes in Christ. When he promised you, Acts 2, where it says, you will receive the Holy Spirit and it says, and this promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off.

It is a promise that he will recreate you as a new being filled with the Holy Spirit. That's funny that you brought that up. Let's take another break. Lady hammered that when she done her. That's what you were saying. Yeah, you were giving me her lesson. She hammered it.

I mean, and I said... So essentially, Jason, you brought that up because, you know, when I prepare a sermon, I go back through once I get my type notes and I write stuff in the margin. And sometimes it makes it in, sometimes it doesn't. It's just a little thought I wrote down. And this is something I didn't say in the sermon yesterday,

but you just brought it up, and man, I wish I would have put it in there. I mean, got it in there. But when we were talking about being set apart and sanctified, I went back to Genesis as well and thought about the Garden of Eden. and how that impacted us the way it did because of sin and because of this whole idea now that we deal with this going forward

in Genesis 3. But then I wrote down here, the Garden of Eden was reset in the Garden of Gassimony because the Son of God chose to say, not my will, but yours be done. And then that same day changed everything that had been up until that point. You think about it, we always talk about the cross and the power of it,

but first he had to make a decision he was going to go to that cross. And in that battle you saw in the Garden of Gassimini, it was that same battle we saw back in the Garden of Eden. This time, we had a champion that could change it. And even back then, remember that promise that was made, look, he's going to strike your hill, but you're going to crush his head. So this is the moment where we see that happen, and it started with a decision.

And it took me to Hebrews 11. When you get to the end of it says, all these people of faith were commended for their faith, verse 39 yet none of them received what had been promised god had planned something better for us so that only together with us would they be made perfectly yeah i got this text from a guy i've been having a conversation with about uh the temple a lot of stuff we've talked about in this podcast before but it's it's right in line with what you're saying i want to he this is what he sent me on easter john 20 11 through 12 the body of jesus was laid

laid in the tomb, we know this part. Most likely he was laid on a slab or a bench or something like that. And as Mary looked in the tomb, what did she see? She saw two angels where Jesus' body had been laid, one at the foot and the other at the head. And I've never thought about this. I think this is kind of in some of this NT right language that we've been looking into as well. But he made the case that there's a strong allusion here to the Ark of the Covenant, which had the two angels on either side of the Ark.

And what did that signify? It signified the presence of God. The same thing that happened in the Garden of Eden when the two angels, the Sherrybombs, they guarded the entrance to the presence of God. So you got this whole temple thing here. So you move to what's happening here in Jesus, in this new covenant, Jesus said, destroy this temple. I'll raise it up in three days.

But there's nobody in the tomb. There's no body in the tomb. Jesus says, my body is the new temple. And my body is no longer in the tomb. my presence has defeated death, and my presence is now back in the garden. And now here's the second brilliant allusion, that the garden of life where death entered with Adam and Eve, the original gardeners, now with the resurrection, the garden of tombs where life has erupted forth, Jesus, the divine gardener.

Mary saw the divine gardener. Jesus cultivates the garden, flourishing of human life there. So I was thinking about this because I'm preaching in a couple weeks on the parable of the sower. And there's this phrase in Mark 4, because we've been talking about the kingdom a lot here, right? There's this phrase that says to you, Jesus says this, has been given the secret of the kingdom. And I said, what is the secret of the kingdom? Like, what is that? Because if you read the language here, it's like this is a hidden, whatever it is, it's hidden.

and my Bible reference pointed me to Colossians chapter 2. I think this is it. Listen to this language in Colossians 2. The secret of the kingdom. To them God chose to make known, very similar language, how great among the Gentiles are the riches of the glory of this mystery. Which is, so here's the mystery, here's the secret, which is this. Christ in you.

That's Christ in you. That's Colossians 1. 27. I'm sorry. You're right. Colossians 1.27. So I think everything we've been talking about in this podcast for the last year, it's in exactly what you're saying. When we say Christ in you, that's what happened in Acts Chapter 2 when he said, repent, be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. That's Christ in you, Christ in me. I am the new temple. So there's, there's a forgiveness of your sins. So there's a forgiveness of your sins. So there's a gift to get to the Holy Spirit. I am the new temple. So there's, there's this language that's, I mean, once you kind of see it, it's almost impossible to unsee it. And the key figure in all of this is the Holy Spirit. No, I agree. That's how he's making his presence known to this. You made a point, though, like when I said, okay, that I saw it and I became a, when I reenacted his death, barrow and resurrection, I became a new creation.

Yeah. Well, that's what this is. Well, no, no, that's why I said, okay, when I was saying, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are not real to people. And you've got to realize what Zach was saying here, okay, you're talking about the creator. That'd be Jesus Christ himself. Yeah, exactly. Nothing that has been made was made without him.

And for him. Yeah. Okay, but that's why I said when you talk about a new creation, that's God Almighty's son that's making the new. creation. Yeah. I agree. Okay.

And he's using the Holy Spirit to do it. Yeah, I think people get confused because they're like, well, but he emptied himself and became a man. You know, what was that, Philippians 2? But that was the plan. That was the plan. Hebrews too says he was made a little lower than the angels, you know. But the point is he chose.

he's still in essence, God, but he chose, based on his love, to become lesser because he loves us. And then the Holy Spirit did the same thing. It has allusions to the same, that he would only, you know, he was a witness of these things, I think Acts says. So, because he's working in and through Jesus being exalted and having his presence made known. I like this thought. Zabro, at the gardener. Let's take our. last spring. It's thought about the gardener because we brought this point up yesterday's that in our sermon, which is funny how these thoughts go together about the Holy Spirit.

It took me to Galatians 5, which when you see the picture of what the Spirit does, it's in a garden set, the fruit of the Spirit, that which grows out of us. And what is it? Love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faith, and it's general self-control. Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step of the Spirit. be led by it. That's right. So the spirit in us, planted by the gardener, now is growing fruit that comes out of our lives.

So we're not the fruit bears. The spirit's the fruit bears. We're just the means by which we impact. And there's language of the vine. Apart from me, there's no life to remain in the vine. This, I think that's the big. Yeah, that's the big, that's, I think that's the big shift in what this podcast has been pointing to is, is salvation. It's a redefining of salvation.

It is not a salvation of sin management. It's not just you get out of hell free card. It's life in Christ. It's a redefining of salvation. It's a redefining of eternal life. I love how Willard puts it. He calls it an eternal kind of life. And so when I understand that Jesus as a gardener,

then I understand that he's cultivating something. And whatever he's cultivating is great. It's amazing. And so it's not just for me, yes, I'm looking for forgiveness of sins. But more than that, I'm looking for life in Christ. I want transformation. I want fulfillment. I want human flourish as a human.

And I want intimacy with God. And that's the language of a gardener. A gardener's cultivating a crop. He's not just a one and done deal. No, we're bringing forth a harvest of grapes to turn into fine wine. I mean, this is a process. This is something way bigger than just a one-time event. The one-time event, the new birth is or entering into a life with him.

And I think that's what we're going on. Which you just described the 1st Corinthians 15 argument that Paul makes about the resurrection, back to the Easter theme, is that life comes out of that which dies. And that was this whole point about the resurrection body, right? It's all about, you've got to ask yourself one question. What's your purpose here? I agree with this. You've been made a new creation.

What is your purpose, sir? That's right. Well, that's why where we started, the second, the one, the promises are all yes in Christ, but then what does he go on to do? He goes on to talk about the ministry of reconciliation in chapter 5. We're in, we commend ourselves in chapter 4 to every man's conscience before God. You know, we're, we're his ambassadors,

his spokespeople for what he's done. I mean, the ministry of reconciliation. So fruit has to involve that. The fruit of the spirit is coming out, but you can't love if you're not around someone. That's a relational idea. Joy is not joy if you're by yourself, you know? I mean, you had a hole in one.

You know what you do? You look around and make sure somebody saw it. And if there's no one there, guess what? You're not happy. Who do you buy a dream? No one's going to believe you. Yeah, it's not about the journey. It's about who's with you on the journey.

That's it. Yeah. That's what you say, days. Well, I had that. It's about who's with it. I had that story because I play, you know, I'm back to playing golf now. I played golf the other day with this guy. And because I was playing with one of my buddies, you remember old DB.

Yep. And he had one of his buddies. And so he asked, he said, have you ever hit a hole in one? And I was like, yeah, I've hit three. Three hole-in-ones. It was awesome, great. You got any witness? Oh, yeah, I had witnesses.

And so. Because he is known to exaggeration. No exaggeration. I want to prove. Three hole-in-ones and I had witnesses every time. So he said, well, I didn't have an official hole in one. And I was like, you didn't have an official. I was like, I just met this guy.

I was like, what's he talking about? He said one time, because this guy was way better. for them me and I just thought I bet he's had a ton he's like no he said I just had one but it's not official and I said why was it not official he said because I had no witnesses and of course we were studying act this is only a couple weeks ago and I it made me think about all the times that the apostles kept saying we were witnesses of that we were witnesses and I was like well I guess you're right it wasn't official he said it wasn't official until something hit me he said so here I was hit a hole in one, I look around, there's nobody there. He said, so I went from joy to

sadness because there was nobody there. And he said, when I was driving home, though, I realized, he said, the whole reason I was playing golf by myself on that day, because this was the day that his mom had died. And so every year when that day comes, he has a hard time. His mom died. And he's a pretty young, young fellow. And so then he said, What was I thinking? I had my witness the whole time. It was my mom's birthday, and I hit my first haul in one. And he's like, so I don't care if you're happy about it or not, but it was a profound thing that happened in my life where I just quit thinking about golf and, you know, as a hobby.

And I hadn't, you know, he just thought about eternal implications in that moment. And so I thought, man, what a story. I said, you went from when you laughing and picking at you because you didn't have a witness to you thinking about your mom and where she's at now and what you need to do in your life to see her again. And I actually got kind of teared up. And I was like, well, now I got to tee off after that. Well, I got a good one to tell you about that. Claudeette, our family, okay. We was talking and she said, oh, I just wish James and Merritt could have seen, you know,

what y'all have done with the show and everything and i said clodette i said they watch it on the big screen with god what are you talking about they've been in some fashion or one of the spirit but she looked and she looked at me and then she said you're right and i said well duh well we've talked about this a lot there's no way in two minutes we can solve that one but i will say this uh we we'll say this uh we Yesterday in my sermon and I brought up Samuel in 1st Samuel 18, because we were talking about people not wanting to come back. Once you cross over, the idea is they seem to be pretty happy to be wherever they're going to be.

They ain't coming back. Right. Except for Samuel, who was brought back by a witch in 1st, Samuel 18. And the first thing he said was, why have you disturbed me and brought me back here? And so the idea was, but then what's interesting about this side,

I didn't give the rest of this just in my sermon, is that then he gave him a play-by-play on exactly what was going to happened. So he was very aware of current events, to your point. Even though we didn't have his new body back, and we don't know about exactly what goes on, but I know if you die in Christ, you're fine. And I know for a fact, when you get your body, it'll just be another. It'll be like him. And hey, that's good enough for me. Exactly. We talk about safety and security. So, Zach, my whole point is funny from my sermon yesterday that I wanted to get across, you just brought out, is that resurrection is more than just the hope beyond death.

It's also about holiness and what we receive. And that happened because of Christ's resurrection and because of his ascension and because of his reigning over us. We get that clearly from that text. And the idea is out of that we get to be holy. We get to be set apart. And I made the point, Zathis, said, you know, we don't even like to say it. Somebody said, well, you're some kind of holy man.

we typically say, oh, no, no, I'm just a sinner like you. But yeah. No, you said Holy Roller. I brought up Holy Roll, right? But you think about going back to that scene of the empty tomb, you have the angels guarding the presence of God, but the problem is that he ain't in the tomb. What's the point? They're not guarding it anymore. Like you have access into the Holy of Holies now.

They're guarding a place where the presence of God was not. not at for all intents and purposes. Obviously, God's presence is everywhere. But I mean, that intimate presence in the form of Jesus, Jesus wasn't in the tomb, but the angels were there, and what do they say? He's not in here. That means that we have access now back to the tree of life. That means we have, we don't need, we don't need the Holy of Holies in the temple anymore.

Thank God, because that doesn't exist anymore. We can go directly to God. We can be in the presence. of God because of the finished work of Christ. And the finished work of Christ is not just about payment for sin. It is about payment for sin, but it is also about being in his presence. I think that's that. Well, not only that, it's more about, hey, the gardener, okay, has made me a new creation.

The gardener is pruning, watering, fertilizing. He's always doing something to me to make me better. Disciplining. I love it. All of it. Yeah. Yeah. That's why it's not about, it's all, everything in Jesus,

he's the perfector and author of life. Yes, in our faith. Okay. So everything about him, okay, is about, hey, I'm going to give you this. I'm promising you this. You can give this. You need to use it for this. he's always

you're living proof that Jesus makes you smart and well and he makes you smart well no I don't know about that but hey I'll just tell you I know one thing everything in him is yes

so I like that side gets the last word he is a holy roll he that's the way we roll out of I love it who do I roll with I'll ask you I'll answer that for you

father son and holy spirit I like the way they roll, baby. And a little bit of oxygen. Roll it on. All right, we'll see you next time on Unashamed. Thanks, Sy for being on. Oh, man. I get fired up, boys.

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