Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 87 | Dealing with Rebellious Teens, the Jep Intervention, Prodigal Son Al & Mean Religious People

Episode Date: May 10, 2020

Phil, Jase, and Al answer a question about how to handle teenage rebellion. Al describes Phil and Kay's surprising reaction when he returned after living a heathen life in New Orleans, and Phil recalls the Jep Robertson intervention. Phil also talks about getting away with more as you age, Jase points out that the power of the Bible isn't in memorizing and repeating verses, and the guys discuss why mean, judgmental religious people are missing the point. See episodes of "Unashamed with Phil Robertson": https://bit.ly/2J4XsiX   See clips from Phil's TV show "In the Woods with Phil": https://bit.ly/2PNM6k1   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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what about you well yeah and Cuvion he was the he looked like he looked like the love child of Benjamin Franklin and Christopher Lloyd yeah to meet with because he had the hair Yeah. But he had the kind of ball on top.

That's right. Ben Franklin looked. Yep. But he was like that. He's an artist. He's an artist. Once I found out he was an artist, I said, oh, it's all coming together. But this is the epicenter of weirdness.

That's right. And I always told him, I said, always remember, Cuvion. I said, you have a tremendous skill set. And he was carving decors and showing them to me, carving things out of wood. And, I mean, when he got done with him, I mean, unbelievable on how they look just like what you see flying around in the air. I said, this dude. But once I zeroed in on that, I said, I remember this, Cuvion?

I said, weirdness down in here. Weirdness is in. That's right. It's not out. It's not out. That's good. That's right. And now he's turned out some of the worlds, you know, he's one.

Oh, he can carve a deacon now. Best in the world. Oh, yeah. And I inspired him to go on with that. I said, keep that up. And I said, well, right now, just nobody knows who I am. You've always had a way of attracting really weird people. I'm telling you.

It's a magnet. But it's been amazing to watch how some of them. I wonder why. People wouldn't get at the time of day. I would. I said, well, I learned a lot. I always used to say people would ask me, my friends, they would say, who are all those people that always was feel, you know?

And I said, well, and I, my, just the first thing that came to my mind, And I said, it's people who have fallen through the cracks of society. That is correct. There's always been an entourage. It feels so called through the cracks. But all of them really, they're worth. They didn't realize their worth. And I was just trying to get them to see.

Yeah, you're really good at bringing out the best in people like that. Because I mean, some of these would be like. Yeah, some of them, well, some of them when they first showed up, I was like, oh, boy. even like Cuvian, yeah, he didn't say a word for maybe, I'd say six months. I never heard him utter a sound. He was just always around. Well, when he told me. He's seeing the world totally different because he's an artist, and most people don't

understand the mind of artists. A lot of them are musically inclined. A lot of them are just painting. But he and his life both, and she's an artist, and they met, then that's how they, because both of them are sort of, most people would say weird, but they're really not weird. No, they're weird. Because look, one of the first things he told me was when he remembered being in the womb. Yeah.

And I said, and I think Jay said, that's a very good memory. Jay said, I think I figured out your problem. And he said, what's that? He said, you're a ball-faced liar. Yeah. Stone never really took to Covillian. He didn't get it. He didn't get it.

And I said, how was it, Cuvion? He said, it was warm and it was dark. He said, and I remember seeing literally the light at the end of the tunnel. And he said, and I came out and he said, I remember looking around like, whoa, what is this? You know, he really said it believable. I mean, he was saying. Oh, I believe him. Do you?

Oh, I believe him. I think he thinks he remembers that. I believe him. I can't wait to see. All I can tell you is some people you run upon have very good memories. and he won up. When you can remember your own birth. He said I remember being there rolling around saying, well, how do you get out of here?

I see how you get the best out of these people? Because usually when I hear that story, I'm creating some social distancing. And I'm moving forward to hear more. That's interesting. That's a dip of trade than you and me, Jay. So did you speak of it? Probing the deep recesses of the brain, Jay's. and you will come up with a lot of things.

Oh, my goodness. So speaking of weird, did Dan show you the video of one of our podcast listeners named Dale? I think he's from Oregon. I saw that. You saw it, didn't you? Yeah, you said it. Yeah, he did a video, a tribute to you for your birthday. It was really good.

It was really. I was acting like you haven't seen that. And he plays a, he plays a socks guitar. A handmade guitar. Yeah, cigar by. guitar. But it was good. I thought it was really good. And then he shot to make the two holes in the guitar, right? I noticed he was being very careful with the shooting the thing to get the air flowing. It's the same thing. I said that guy was really zoned in. But you saw he's like a he's like a, he

works for like a huge company. Sure. I mean it's like he's an engineer. Those are the kinds that people say I take note of people like that. Yeah. By the way, I got a letter from a guy and And we won't say where he's from, but I'll just say in the Canadian wilderness. And after. We've got a lot of Canadian. And after reading his letter, yeah. I read his letter and I broke out of what Jay's, every time we see something coming out of Canada. You know, Oh, Canada.

Somebody, did you see somebody sent you the word? Somebody actually sent me the whole song. That was Ian. Ian sent him. Thanks, yeah, for that. It's a great tune. And I love to hear the Canadian singing. But you never got past Old Canada.

You never really knew the rest of it until you got the work. I didn't, but like I used to have this thing. I didn't tell this story before, but when I, we would really just rip a bunch of ducks, it just, it just burst forth. I mean, I just like stood up and just, oh, kind of dog. I was like, they came off away from Canada. Well, Jace, this guy says, y'all are in the, you know, middle of a pretty good little thing with a flood and in the river. he said, but where I am, he said, you at least need to entertain the thought. He invited us up.

And that's the first time I've ever said, you know what, I may go to Canada. So to my friend who wrote the letter, we are, we're contemplating. Just go, Coach Joe. We call me coming. Yeah. I would like to make that trip. So I just want my man to know up there in Canada. We're contemplating that very seriously.

And Dan will be, he's the contact man. Dan will be the one talking with you, but, and we're going to further investigate where he is there at the airport. It's the birthplace. It's a little airport. We saw that. It's the birthplace of our mallard ducks. That's it. I mean, that's the place.

Now, Jase, you want to talk about it in the middle of nowhere. This dude is in the middle of nowhere. You told me something when I was a kid. I always wanted to see Canada. I wanted to get a vision. I've been there, but I did events there, Willie and I, and three or four. So I was only there for a short period of time. The show was.

was a huge hit. The Dynasty was a huge hit in Canada. I've always wondered. How come that piece of real estate is almost going up there and you're looking at what it looked like a long time ago? I mean, it's – Because there's nobody up there, Phil. It's too cold. It's too hard to live there.

Two cold is what it is. Oh, yeah. It's like Alaska. You know what I mean? They get about a month where it's above freezing. So we would go in September thinking it's a very cold place in September. because we'd have to go early in the year or it'd be just locked up I guess ice yeah because they're the first one to go that's why I've never been to Alaska because they say it's so

remote I was scared that if I went I wouldn't come back on purpose oh you would love it because I love places where it's an adventure a frontier it's uh you know it was amazing one of that I mean we will be back in touch with you my man yeah so we were in a dad went uh with us I've been several times but we all went we did an appearance in Alaska and we went up to Franklin Graham's Place and Port Oswald. Remember that? Flew across mountain ranges. I mean, landed on a lot of not much of an air strip, but it was, it worked. You know, it's hard to, because it's not part of the lower 48, you don't realize how big Alaska is. They had a picture, Jason, it showed it if you took Alaska and just put it in the U.S., the lower 48, it takes up about a third of the whole continental U.S.

Oh, it's massive. You know, they had these shirts that was like Texas, you know, claims they're the biggest. They were like, yeah, she's like her little sister. You know, it shows a picture of the two of them. I mean, that is a massive piece of real estate. Why did they get that piece of real estate for, historically speaking, 15 million or something? It was pretty cheap. I don't know the, I know the Louisiana purchase was that, was like 30 million, which was that.

Good trade. That was the deal of all deals. Oh, yeah, old Thomas Jefferson. He was a slick one. That's why you like him right, that's why one of the reason I like him. which is really good. I was checking to see how much they paid for it. One of my buddies asked if you needed some Mayhall jelly, which is funny.

I was out of jelly, and my Nicaraguan daughter, she loves the slow. And look, when I first said that, most people never heard of the fruit slow. But look, when she first came to be with us, you had just harvested some slows and made jelly. But every time I said it, I would say it like that. I said, you want to try some of this slow jelly? Well, she's just now learning the English language. Well, she thought that's it. It's not.

It's always slow jelly. She came back from college and visited, and she said, I need to talk to you. And I was like, what? She said, they made fun of me at college. And I said, why? She said, well, I was telling them about the slow jelly. And every time I would say it, I would say it that way. Well, they were like, why do you keep doing that?

It was funny the first time. But now, and she's like, oh, that's not how you say it. I was like, well, no, that's not how you say it. The reason I said it's slow and I dragged out slow is because it's a late, the latest plum in North America. And this S-L-O is that the way you start. I think it's S-L-O-E. Oh, is that what it is? Okay.

I think it's a eat. Yeah, it's not. So that was, I thought it was funny. But it's a fall plum, which you don't see many plums that get ripe in the fall. So it's an August plum. You know what it's famous for? I mean, like, we only know it from jelly. But you know what it's more famous for in the world?

I don't know. Gin. Slow gin. Well, yeah. They make gin out of it. You took a perfectly good conversation and ruin it. No, it's true. The, the, the cost, and by the way, it's a wild berry.

And so is the May Hall, which they, they're in May. That's a little more. And it's haul like he haul, I think. No, it's haul like a haul is a, some of them have fruit. Some hall trees have fruit, but some. I know. I meant the spelling. It's got thorns.

It has thorns on it, you know. Alaska costs $7.2 million. $7 million. Just thing. I mean, that's a lot of money, but I'm saying you got to bought a small country. Alaska. Well, you did buy us tomorrow. So who did we buy from?

I think Russia. Oh, man. Boy, somebody got hosed. We got the French and we got the Russians. Hey, we're C plus people. We're not like, you know, said, why didn't y'all research that? Y'all could tell us about where. I'll hear about it because every time we don't know something, somebody just listens.

Sometimes ignorance is a dangerous thing and sometimes it's a good thing. Common sense. We're pretty good on that. Yeah, we bought it from Russia. Well, I was guessing. You were right. Yeah, you were right. You had the amount and the place.

Well, he had 15 million. Oh, yeah. Half of that. They had a lot. I do have a couple degrees. So some of the things that I, which is shocking. I got some of the things the professors said while I was in college. So it wasn't like I was listening.

But your knowledge retention is impressive. Look, I can't remember back for about a week. So all this meaningless knowledge that you always come up with. A lot of meaningless facts. I can't. But I am. The older. I get, the more I lose that capacity, I have noticed that, that things don't come quite as quick

as they used to. I hate to hear that because you're in your 50s and I'm in my 70s, so when is it, you know? You know, you've held up remarkably well, does, especially concerned in our family. I mean, your brothers, you know, it didn't. I remember when if someone told me, we're going to go over there and this guy is 74, and I would have said old timer. But now I'm looking at 74 and said, well, it's not that old. But we're saying old.

timer. I'll say, I'm calling you old codger. Are that right? Yeah. I mean, I hate to tell you. I'm just being brutally honest. I've noticed with age, a lot of people miss this. With age, you, in society, you tend to be able to get away with more because when they hear you pontificating on certain issues, they'll say, well, it's just some old dude. Oh, that's it. I get away with more than I could at 30. I mean, look at size. 30, you can't get away with anything. That's your, hey, you know better.

But at 70 something, they're like, some old cat, raven. He's hollering about Jesus or something, you know. But when you get to 90, you can say anything. Oh, that's right. Because Missy's grandma. What are they going to do, you know. Yeah, we take her out the restaurant.

She's like, hey, this is terrible. Or, you know, can you get my coat? You know, I mean, she just says whatever is on her mind. If the meal's terrible, she's like, look, tell that guy back there, this is terrible. I mean, she's just. And they kind of smile. Yeah. She's like she's not an old person.

What are you going to do? Well, I want to answer one question because I know. Let's take a break and then we'll do that. We're in John 5. And I got a question that was, it kind of hit me because I realized the pain in the message, which was basically a guy, I think he was from New York. he had a 15-year-old that he basically described as he was fine, we're going to church, or this is fine, and then I look up and like, what the heck happened?

Like, just total rebellion. And having had three teenagers, and I still got one, I understand, you know, when you see that happening, I always bring up my first reaction is 1st Corinthians 10, because in an illustration, that Paul used from Israel's history, there was kind of a stepping stone to how, when you see somebody with a really bad attitude, he basically gave the steps that are taken to reach that point, which was basically, and you can read 1st Corinthians 10, it said they set their hearts on evil things. That's where everything always starts in our lives, especially teenagers.

They see something or they see their friend, and all of a sudden they say, I'm going to do this. So they make that decision to do something they know they're not supposed to do. Well, then the second point is, which leads to idolatry. Well, then you've got to change your image of the almighty real God because you know, especially if you were raised in church or whatever, that what you're wanting to do is not right. Yeah. Because you're thinking about what is idolatry? All it is is something different than the actual God. So now you have a basis for excusing your behavior. Well, then the third step is you do it because now you've got it worked out in your mind, idolatry, rationalizing, however, what you really want to do, well, then you do it. And the next part, it says, do not

test the Lord, because what happens is, contrary to what we all think, especially the teenagers, once you commit a sin, what really happens in the moment? Most of the time, there's very little consequences, you know. It happens, and then you think you get away with it. Well, so then as you continue sinful behavior, you become more and more brash, which leads to testing the Lord. Now, all of a sudden, you're shaking your fist at God's end. And so then the last point, which is where we started, it says, don't grumble, so you get a bad attitude. And you're having difficulty getting along with people. It's more difficult to get along. You're combustible. See, even Aristotle pre-Jesus is why we mentioned last week.

If Aristotle, he's pre-Jesus, 350, whatever, BC. Well, but he's concluded from his philosophical intellect. He said, I noticed, and it stuck with me when I read it, I said, hmm, he was saying virtuous people are happier than people who are not virtuous. He didn't put it together because he didn't have the model yet to know what life's all about. You see what I'm saying? Oh, yeah. He forgot one little word because he's pre-Jesus.

And he doesn't know much about Hebrew history. Well, all of a sudden, he wasn't aware of the prophets that predicted the perfect model is coming. It's going to show you all things. But if he had known Jesus, he'd have said, Look, he would have said what you just got through saying, Jay. Even Aristotle. Jason, so remember this. You at your stage, you're past the intellect of Aristotle, one of the greatest Greek philosophers of all the time.

You know more than he, you understand more because of the model that came 2020 years ago, which was 350 years after Aristotle. But it's really not true because I got that from the ultimate. intellect, which was the Holy Spirit of God who wrote it. I just happened to read it and then pontificate on it, which was impressive that I knew that from memory. I'm not bragging. But because you have the mind of Christ, again,

the Corinthian letter, because you have the Spirit of God and the ones who don't are looking at you and they're perplexed. They're like, what's all that's hollering around about Jesus? We're trying to present the model of perfection, perfect God, perfect human. no mistakes perfect savior king healer miracle worker redeemer prophet savior you're looking at it and you're like whoa whoa well it makes you smart very much so so but here's why i wanted to bring that's as smart as you need to become well yeah and so the reason i bring this up though is because a common

thing and you've probably seen it and all the questions we get so he said he's got this situation. I know what that's like. You know, his, his house is a living hell because he's got a rebellious teenager here. So he said, what verses do you recommend that I share with him? And the reason I'm bringing this up is because I thought it just doesn't work that way. You know, especially with kids that are raised in the church. They've heard the verses.

Guess what? There was a disconnect. Yeah. So, and I'm not throwing a guy on the bus because my response was, I said, look. It's really not about the verses. His image of God has changed, and we need him to have the correct image of God. And the point I made and the message I sent back to him was, when you read this, it matters more if you know or have a good view of the person who wrote it. If you're detached from that, and I used the illustration.

It's like my phone. If someone sends me a message, you know, meet me at, you know, Johnny's Pizza. We have the greatest pizza here in this area. Oh, I had some last night. And by the way, now you can, like me, I'm trying to do low-carb. You can get a pizza bowl. You get pizza without the crust. It's still delicious.

Well, you just ruin the pizza for me, though. No, no, no, no, no. So I say, meet me at Johnny's pizza. Look, at 11, but it's someone that's not in my phone. It's someone I don't know. Well, guess what? I'm not meeting the guy at 11. I don't know who this is.

You said on my point, you look at something is more valuable to you if you know the, if you said meet me at 11 Johnny Pizza, I'm like, okay, I'll be there. And so I said, if you read him a bunch of verses, he's just going to sit there.

And then when you get finished, he'll go back to his room, do whatever he was doing. So I recommended that he go to the book of John, which he put in there, I know you recommend it, before about reading the book of John. I was like, but don't read it for the verses. You have to reintroduce Jesus to him because that's the only way that the verses that you

would read would mean something. So that was kind of my take. But I said that in light of what Jesus did with religious people in this context, because John 539, which we keep hammering on, he says you diligently study the scriptures because you think that by them you possess eternal life. these are the scriptures that testify about me. So right there, Jay. So right there, Jay.

So right there, I'll just interject the little point here, which proves usually the excuse that everyone uses. They'll say, well, nobody's perfect. And they will go with that. And they are almost right.

They're almost right. nobody is perfect. I said, you miss one person. There's one who is perfect. All the rest of us, you're correct. But when you say no one's perfect, you say, oh, Wednesday wrote in on the one that you just, the one that just was doing the talking.

You diligent side of the scriptures and all that, and you have an escape path saying, well, everybody else is doing it. And there's no, what's in it for me? And I mean, I don't believe it. It's just words on a page. Well, another thing. They failed to see the model of perfection.

Once you zone run on him, then you say, hmm. But how many times have you have people come to you and say, I don't share Jesus because I don't know the verses. Many, many, many, many. And I'm thinking, what? I'm like, you don't have to show them the verses. Just introduce him. Because they didn't have that.

And look, but then they're like, what? They didn't have verses when they were doing it during this time because it had been written down. I love the Bible. I love the verses. But you got to know Jesus, and you're trying to introduce that person. Verses are great. And if you know where they're at, okay, fine. But that's not a valid excuse.

It has nothing to do with how many verses you know in your head. It's a good point. Do you know Jesus? You know, that would be like me saying, yeah, I go. go to somewhere and I don't introduce my wife. And I'm like, well, because I don't have the manual. No, she's my wife. She's standing here.

You know what? This is who I am. Yeah. You don't have to have a book about it. And guess what? If I don't introduce her when I get there, I'm going to hear about that. Yeah. The great truth is and the shocking revelation is nobody, no human is perfect,

but the one who came down in flesh 20, 20 years ago. When he showed up, he's going to show you. So that's why it doesn't say follow the scriptures, like follow the scriptures and do this and do that and don't do wrong. And they always do right. You got one verse out of the other. We moved away from it. He just says, look, just walkers, I did. You'll be okay.

So I got a verse for you. Let's take a break. And then I read to you. So Hebrews 12, too, Dan, which is exactly what you just said. Let us fix our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfector of our faith. faith. So because he's perfect, therefore he makes us perfect in him. Who for the joy set before him endured the cross, scorning its shame and sat down at the right hand of the throne of God. And I'll add to that, anyone who lives on milk is,

he's where your man is, Jace, he's living on milk. He's heard the verses, but watch, being still an infant is not acquainted with the teaching about righteousness, just doing what's right. Watch. Solid foods for the mature who by, here's the guy's problem, the young buck he's dealing with. Solid foods for the mature who by constant use have trained themselves to distinguish good from evil. You say there's a process that everybody goes through and you say there's a training process. and until you take part and constantly by using and seeing and observing and walking, you say constant use train themselves.

Everybody's waiting on someone to point them to a magic bullet where they'll quit acting like they're acting. They quit getting drunk, high drug, and you're struggling with all that. You say they're going to have to do it themselves. They're going to have to train themselves to take what's, written, apply it, and walk like the perfect one. Walk like him. Become like him. Keep your eyes on him. Fix your eyes on him like that verse you wrote. Fix your eyes on him. I've often said the most difficult people to reach in the world for Jesus are people that are raised in the church. Because they hear the verses, they go through the routine, they see the flaws in their family

or their parent, you know, so they're thinking it's hypocritical. And they're just, and they're just, just they don't, they miss who it was pointing to with them in a relationship with a real living God through Jesus. They just somehow miss it and then they get up and rebel. Well, it's like what we do with our Labrador retrievers. We're patient with them. We interact with them. We train them to be disciplined and they have to sit there. They have to wait and they have to stay hidden like we are.

And they have to go after your ducks and then they come back with your duck. We train them, but you say, but it's constant training all the time. You're constantly training them. You love them. They're your prize Labrador retriever. You love them. You feed them well. You take care of them.

Same thing with human beings when it comes to spiritual matters. Same thing. The problem is. Training is essential. The sad truth is with kids because I was a prodigal. myself. So, I mean, I went off the reservation. And the problem was until I got to a low point where I needed Christ, what you were describing. I mean, and you don't want to ever see your kids get there. By the way, Al, you went off the reservation. The one who sired you,

that'd be me. I wasn't even on the reservation when you were born. You understand? Hey, I didn't give you much help, my man. Well, you didn't. And some of the of that probably tied into it, but my point is it's like that with any of us. And I'm like you, Jay's. I mean, I raise teenagers and now I've got grandkids who are teenagers. And so I'm watching it now part two, you know. You know, in fact. I tried my best out to train you and Jace and Willie and, uh, uh, Jeff.

I tried my best to, to train y'all. But, you know, shortcomings as a parent and all that. But I knew. I knew you were going to have, and Jay, I knew y'all were going to have teenagers, y'all were going to have to do the training part. So I said, well, let me just see if I can lay a foundation. I don't know a little hands off, I guess. But the best decision you made was when you decided to come to Jesus

and in an effort to kind of get away from your past, you moved down here. That's true. Because you think about guarding your kids, you were indirectly kind of protecting us because now you think about what the number one thing that kids get into is that cell phone because people most adults I'll say most but a lot they have no idea what their kid I just outlawed that out of hand I said no cell phone they have no well it's outlawed in my house if you're if you're under the age of 18 and you walk into my house you turn your phone in and my daughter she doesn't have one and you know what she's fine with it but and I'm like when you

When you think you reach an age where you're ready, because she's really turned around, you know, her life. I was like, you can come back and we'll talk about it. But I said that six months ago. Well, and she had to, and she's young. And she had to figure that out as well. I mean, we were a part of that happening. And fortunately. And I think some of it's normal.

Right. You know what I'm saying. It's a hard thing as a parent to allow your children to make that call because you want to make a, I mean, up until this point in their life, you've made every call for them. You tell you what to wear, what to eat, everything. And then all of a sudden they get in this place. They're still under your umbrella of faith because they're in your family. But let's face it, a teenager, they're now beginning to think their own thoughts. When you all got old enough to sin and it became evident, then you notice, then it was down to counsel, advice.

Then we're talking. The thing about spare the ride and all that stuff, that's all over now. I mean, then we began to just, and then that's going on into y'all's life now. That's why you don't see me running up at your house every time we're turning around, dictating policy. Well, I remember the last time you tried, you know, normal punishment on me, which had worked to keep me in line up until I was 16 years old. But then the frustration was you realize that, you know what, a belt whipping now is not going to do it anymore.

I mean, I was a grown man almost. And so the deal was, I mean, we can get out here and fistfight in the yard, and you could just, you know, beat the crap out of me, but it's not going to change my heart. That's right. So I felt like that frustration you had at that point was one, and you told me, I mean, I'll never forget it. You said, you got two choices. You can stay here and get lined out. That's what we want you to do.

Or you got to hit the road and go live it. We'll be here when you get. I was 17. And that has to be a hard conversation to have with your 17-year-old son. Really is. I mean, because you were saying, I can't do anything else to line you out. I mean, my life was just out of control. And so I took off.

Your child rearing was over. It was over. It was that last point, and I can only look in back on it, I can only have out. By the way, I'm glad you did stop, put your brakes on it there back way back and show back up. Why, you're saying. What do you say, I mean? Well, I always say when I came back, which, by the way, let me just say this. I was talking about Jason today because Jason and our adult friends as brothers, we throw each other bus.

That's the Robertson Way. But Chase was, he was a little narc, but he was right. I mean, you were right. I was trying to do the right thing. But, of course, I just abused him over it because I was doing the wrong thing. But now as adults, it's funny because we rely on each other. I mean, you know, now we have raised our kids, our grandkids, you know, everything. But even to this day, if we see somebody that we think is getting out of line or doing it, we have the, we have the relationships where we challenge each other, you know, like, you know, I wouldn't.

do that. We have those conversations because what you don't want to do is just act like it's not going on. I mean, getting back to this response. You can't just go to your room. He's in his room. No, we got to have a conversation. I remember the Jeptha intervention.

And you three, you and Willie and Jace were there and I was there. Miss Kay was there at the mother. And we sat down and we started telling Jeff on the path he was on was not the good path. And I remember Jep's reply. after each one of us talked to him. It was a Robertson intervention. I said, you will go under what I'm calling house arrest. And he was willing.

That will last for the next six months. So we lined him all out. And Jeff's reply was he said, I have just one question to y'all. He's talking to his mom, his dad, and his three brothers. He said, what took y'all so long? Yeah, I was really surprised. He said, where have you been? And we're like, well.

I was surprised when he said that because I thought, what's he going to say? Yeah. Well, I was just saying he'd walk out the door and that'd be the end of, do what I did and just leave. He got it. But he got it. He was ready. Yeah. Now he's raising his own chair and he's got a bunch of little girls all cooped up.

I heard a guy. He's done a really good job. You agree. His kids are awesome. But I heard a guy preach a sermon one time on to bring up a point because it was kind of a poignant thing he said. Hang on before we do that. Let's take a break. And he, I never forgot it.

He said. The way you were raised may be the reason that you turned out the way you are, good or bad, but it's not an excuse. You know, at some point, you say, okay, what now? I mean, because that's what Jesus is in the transformation business. He's in, you look at all these situations that we're going through in John. You're talking about new beginnings and new starts. And so I think that's something to remember because a lot of people, they'll just blame the reason they turned out the way they did on that.

And look, they're right. But guess what? What are you going to do about it? That's exactly right. You can start over. So when I tell my story, or I guess the way we say it, you know, in our circles, you give your testimony, when you talk about, when I talk about that, because I link a lot of things together as our family, but I just do it from a personal standpoint is I talk about me getting. of that point. And I have no blame for you, I mean, you weren't a Christian

for the first, you know, 10 years of my life. But, I mean, I still had every opportunity when you became a Christian. I mean, for four or five years to do the right thing and did for a while. So it was me that made the call. But when I came back from New Orleans, that's where I was living like a heathen.

When I came back home, I finally just, you know, a guy almost killed me. It's a crazy story. So when I got back home, I get there. And it was funny because with Jeff, a little bit different scenario because, you know, he kind of turned himself in once we, you know, confronted him. But me, I just turned myself in and I was like, because I kind of compared to Luke 15, which is the story of the prodigal son that went away. And when he came back, you know, the father met him, you know, so the principal there was, God was like, he wanted

him to come back. So you and mom did the exact same thing. You literally met me in the yard. Both y'all did. Mom was crying. And then I didn't know exactly what to say because I thought it was going to be like hellfire, you know. Yep. But it wasn't. You were, you were just like, welcome home. Like, you did just like the father did in Luke 15. But that's who they got it from.

Going back to the same rate, it feels like, well, that was a good thought. Well, yeah, because it looked where I got it from. But my point was, when you're reading through John, we always have an easy enough time recognizing the transformation that happened with the woman at the well or the woman called in adultery in John 8. But then we don't apply that with these religious people who obviously have been raised in a religious environment because we know they were under the old system where they were, it was embarrassing, that they can't celebrate with this guy that got healed with this new religious guy, which was Jesus, because of the way they couldn't get out of their past and what they had. Right. Which is, of course, they had been there for 1,500 years.

things can get. But look, you see the same principle in our churches today is what I'm saying. A lot of people have been raised a certain way, and they are so close-minded to any kind of spiritual application that's different than what they were taught. They literally become mean, judgmental, and incapable of celebrating some things that should be being celebrated. You're correct. So my point is it's the reason they are the way they are.

that we have to understand that with trying to encourage them, but it's still not an excuse. And I'm getting that from the guy saying, what verses do I need? Because in his mind, that's probably how he approached any kind of problem in his upbringing. And his, well,

just give him four verses and that are to do it. And I just know I've sat across from enough rebellious teenagers. That ain't going to work. You know, You're not going to read. You can read them the whole Bible every night. I'm telling you. That's why when the college professors move in, they're moving in with the kind of

these young bucks out there, 18, 19, 20 years old, they used to go to church. They got bored. The college professors, the philosophers of this age, gets a whole of them, Jace. And after about three or four years, they all, three, fours of them, abandoned the faith and out in the world they go. You say they out teach us. They out. There's no.

But the problem is it's the heart of the person. It's what's your point. It goes back to, am I willing? I saw it in you, Dad. So once you had clarity and understood how much you needed Christ, you were a sponge. You're talking about verses. I remember Dad would invite our preacher out. You'd feed him fish.

And then he would feed you Bible and us for two hours. I mean, it would just be peppering him with questioning. He'll Smith. So he loved fish, and at that point, we love the Bible, you know. But your clarity had changed. But the reason that the Word of God is living and active. And, you know, the other verse that says all scripture, Second Timothy, 316, all scriptures, God breathe. But it has to be presented in that light.

That's why the power of the Bible is explaining it, because you're unleashing God. you know, in a relational, like he, in pursuit of you, through Jesus, the image of God, and now the power of the Holy Spirit. But if that's your, if you're more trying to look at someone and say, well, his image of God has changed. That's why I brought up before we started today, you had written down those points about the nature of God. And you had, what did you had? You had omnipotence, which is all powerful, omniscient, which is all-knowing. omnipresent everywhere at the same time he's not bound and what was the other one eternal and he's eternal which is kind of the same thing well not really because eternal is more about there's he's

outside time omnipresent means he's space he's everywhere like he does he's not bound by space which is pretty amazing because he's in a spirit form yeah the reason i'm bringing that up is because when a person starts thinking about god like that well all of a sudden this stuff he's doing in his room thinking nobody's seeing what he's like wait a minute you said i mean so that's what i mean because a lot of people i'm sure they'll hear him and they're like well you're saying it's not powerful to read the bible yeah if that's all you got you know go up to his room and read it while he's sitting in there i mean you know unleashed the power but what i'm said as a parent or when i'm trying to share these scriptures with someone what i'm actually doing is i'm trying to share jesus and god is their

Father and the power of the Holy Spirit. And this is just kind of the way we're doing it, because that's the way God set it up. But if I'm in a place where I don't have a Bible, I still share it. I mean, I don't, which I guess that's not too many places, but still, it's not a theological. I'm not trying to out arguing. Yeah, I'm trying to introduce them to a person who I think's awesome and that can really have an impact on their life. And that's basically how it's done.

So let's take one last break. So, Jason, what was McGuiggins-O-Sahian? Scripture? Yeah, he said, the power? He's from Ireland. I love this guy, you know. He's one of our go-to. And I'll say this.

He has helped me more, you know, when I was a young man, with understanding the relational aspect of how the Bible was written more than anybody else. Jim McGuigan, this is an example of the good one. Because he's a very smart individual. And some of the things you're reading, I'm like, I wish he would have just said that a little more simply. But he would say the power of preaching is it's not exegesis.

Memorization. But he had the more sophisticated words for all that. And he went through a long list. And he came down, and his final one, it's explanation. and because that was his point. If they don't get what it means, you can, I mean just think about it, you can memorize the whole Bible. Memorize it and that have no bearing on your life whatsoever. It is interesting that when the Apostle Paul told Timothy how from infancy you have known the Holy Scriptures.

Now listen to how this is worded. If it was the end, that's all you need. Watch. are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. In other words, he said, all scripture is God breathe. Here's the way he phrases it. And it's useful. Yep.

Which they are useful. Sure. They're useful for teaching, for rebuking, for correcting, training and righteousness, so that the man of God will be thoroughly equipped for every good work. But he's using words like they're not what saves you. Like you diligently study them, you think by them you'll have eternal life. He said, but you refuse to come to me. These scriptures are pointing us to a person.

And Father, Son, Holy Spirit, you say it's an intriguing idea, but you say, well, when you read it, people who are lovers of money, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, you read all the bad. things that happened to them. You have the reading here, and you would think, well, here's what's going to happen to you, son. Did you read the verse before, Phil? No, I didn't read it before. Because look, I want to just read that, because 2nd Timothy 316 is a famous verse. But in the context, you say, what brought that phrase on that all scriptures God breathe? Just listen to how this is worded. It starts in the middle of a sentence in 15, so I'll read 14. He says, but as for you, continue in what you have learned and have become convinced of. Yep.

Because you know those from whom you learned it. And how far from infancy you have known the Holy Scriptures. I love this phrase is what I was trying to get to. Which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. He had the same principle. They don't save you their scriptures. They pointed you. Yeah, they pointed you.

to Jesus, and then you had developed a faith, a belief, which is, look, in John 5, he says the same identical principle. You said, well, where did he say faith in John 5? Right before he said in verse 21 about, not 21, 39, where it said you diligently study the scriptures, look what he said in verse 37 and 38. and the father who sent me has himself testified concerning me, you have never heard his voice nor seen his form, nor does his word dwell in you,

for you do not believe the one he sent. And he was explaining when you think about what faith is, the difficulty in believing in something you can't see. Yep. And he's like, that's why I came. You see me, and you still don't believe me. and you read the scriptures and you still don't get it because it's about me. And I look at everybody, you know, in churches today.

It's the same problem. There's people who know the Bible, who sing songs, who sit in the building and look, and they don't know Jesus. Sure of what you hope for, faith, and certain of what you do not see. That is the, that's the mountain you got to climb over before you can be a faithful person. In this phase, we all know folks, unfortunately, that know a lot of squirrels. scripture, but are some of the meanest, least loving people you'll ever run up on. And that's terrible. It should never be that way.

But you see it. And the reason why is you hit it. They miss Jesus. Well, that's, man, we finally landed this plane and we never got where we were going, but we'll do that next time. It's a perfect setup for where we are in time five because basically it's talking about testimony about Jesus, which was the whole point. So we'll get there next time on Unashamed.

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